My $300 smartphone can do 1.5 GB/s off of its internal storage. This video is epic, hilarious, and nostalgic all at the same time. What a time to be alive.
OSes today should recognize when you are using an SSD and disable the defrag option for the drive(s) so the technologically-challenged people don't ruin their SSD.
Joel Hinson ACtually it's on the ssd manufacture to do this and they have so yeah. When youy "defrag" it just runs a reblocking command in the firmware to organize the drives
If your SSD is ruined by a simple defrag, your SSD was on its way out already anyways. Only the first ssd's suffered such problems, you have to think, if you actually USE your SSD, its being written to and read from all the time. One of my first SSD's that I still run on a backup computer, that was old tech, has over 34 terabytes of reads, and over 28tB of writes on it, and its a 240gB ssd! Note, I'm saying a defrag is recommended, or will even help. (Although this is argueable on some SSD controllers, its still not generally something that is needed). But to say it will destroy an ssd, is the same thing as saying USING your ssd will destroy it. If it scares you to put your SSD to full load for say 20-30 minutes, then I'd be scared to use the SSD in general!
I image my daily drivers SSD every 2 to 4 weeks usually. 512 gigabytes that is generally around 250gB full. What do I image it to? None other than a secondary SSD through my hot swap ultrabay so it goes nice and fast. SSD's of today (well and even 3 years ago when you made your post) are much stronger than SSD's of 2009 and prior. Keeping heat down is the main priority! Some of the enterprise ssd's used in servers have rediculous amounts of available read/write cycles before degrading. Of course, they are a lot more costly than consumer ssd's.
TK Jones Because SSDs have exactly the same access time regardless if the file is fragmented all over the place or not. The only thing you achieve by defragmenting a SSD is decreasing its lifespan.
SSDs, especially earlier generations, have a limited amount of times a cell can be rewritten before it "dies". The impact of defragmenting may or may not be significant, but it's still pointless.
to give a bit more technical answer: SSD's like conventional hard drives are divided into sectors. your data is spread out over these sectors. When you defrag a drive you move your data around over these sectors, basically: you do a read job on one sector and a write job on another. While sectors of a conventional HDD can virtually handle an infinite amount of read/ write instructions, the sectors of an SSD can not. Read/write them to often and they will "break", corrupting the data in that sector. Add to that as mentioned before that defraging gives you 0 performance increase , you're effectively decrease the life expectancy of your SSD for no reason. Things are not as bleak as they may seem though; as mentioned before; the impact is quite insignificant. you can completely fill an SSD and format it again 1000x and still not notice a performance decrease. Normal consumers probably won't even read write every single sector on an SSD that often. Things are different in a datacenter where these limitations actually used to be a major concern with earlier SSD's.
defrag essentially moves data around on the disk so that contiguous files are closer to each other on the physical platter(s) and not broken up. this process involves shuffling files around many many times, performing many "write" operations. this isn't an issue with HDD's as the disk media is very durable. however, the flash memory in an SSD is much less durable and has a limited number of times it can be changed. defragging an ssd would use up many of those writes, shortening it's life.
It's when the computer uses two or more drives (connected to a RAID controller) to read and write data. In short terms: If you have two drives, half of the data is stored on D0 and the other half on D1. This allows the computer to read and write data much faster - for certain tasks, anyways - than only one of these drives.
+Hemant Giri I still remember buying my 2 OCZ vertex turbos and raiding them just like this guy without any kind of support and or trim available at the time. I remember spending over $500 a ssd for these turbos and only having one of them fail over a year plus of use in a raid setup that was never supported to begin with. Got an RMA albeit, but man......the performance was INSANE at the time. Hence why you "pay" for them big advancements at the time being....
Fast forward to 2015, now a similar performance can be achieved with a finger-sized SSD! techgage.com/news/samsung-unveils-first-pcie-3-0-x4-based-m-2-ssd-delivering-speeds-of-over-2gbs/
You don't need to defragment a SSD because defragmenting is meant to move pieces of a file closer together on a platter/traditional disk drive. on SSD it's just as fast to read one section as the other, whereas on a platter it takes time to read from the inner to the outer of the circle.
I tried an SSD once... no idea where it's hiding now... Anyway, I installed it on Dad's old XP laptop. BIG MISTAKE!!! It was far slower, it drove me more insane than usual. I discovered that SSD is really only useful when it's SATA with a newer OS, like Linux or Windows 10. The combo of XP and PATA was utterly horrible.
it basically shorten the life span of the ssd but does not apply for hdd. defragging is basically rearranging the content on the storage device example cleaning a book shelf hence finding your stuff faster as less junk is arround
@Maul9999 You don't and it says so in the vid. "Power supplies connected by soldering pins 14 and a few ground wires together. This gives them a common ground and connects PS_ON to let the motherboard control them directly. Power was then shared between both supplies evenly; one EPS12v each, drives and graphics split over." Hope that clears it up for you.
Very very cool of these guys. Especially considering it's two years ago. They set the bar very high. But man oh man those raid controller cards would be expensive - let alone, of course, the 24 drives.
they do determine the speed of calculation, but the hard drive determines the speed of writing, let me explain: if you want to copy a file in the same hard drive the only factor is the hard drive speed, but if you want to copy between two the factors are the ram speed/size and the speed of both hard drives
@Coi1221 Correct, the smallest pipe makes the bottleneck, saying it goes cpu>cache>ram>hdd is wrong, with the setup you just described it'd be the hdd causing bottlenecks bigtime.
Because RAM discs are limited, take up valuable ram for programs away, and ram drives (in not running it with one that has a battery) will erase the information after a restart. But it all depends on if you get one with a battery (the ram drive board, like the gigabyte I-RAM) or not.
You are correct but if you wait to "pause" on a certain ending frame of them showing you how they built it, it shows it hits 2108 mb making it over two gigs :3
At current prices, $4,800 with Crucial's M4 256GB drives. Not to mention how much faster current drives are - I want to see them redo this video with 24 Samsung 840 Pros. :) As far as prices back then, I imagine 10s of thousands...
This needs to be redone now with the latest hardware that is out! With SATA III and the faster SSD drives that are out now I am curious to see how fast it would be now!
@darklightnin A normal spinning hard drive would crap all over itself if you tried jumping around with it while it was reading a file. The Solid State Drive has effectively no moving parts so jumping around with it won't mess up a read or write operation.
The fire extinguisher is just a joke trying to maintain the happy go lucky feel of the video. If you can't instantly recognize that, than I don't know what else I can tell you. Since they're trying to show how fast this setup is they showed how fast it can defrag the hard drives. They're not making a statement that people should, just showing the speed. Most people watching this video don't know much about SSDs, so it's also good to show that no matter how much you shake it, they won't damage.
@Maul9999 i'm not mistake its a well known fact, it is stated by spec by the companies not to defrag it. The engineers that work at the companies don't put warnings in spec for shits and giggles.
Funny how much better SSDs have become since this video. I have 4 Samsung 840PRO drives in RAID0 on an Adaptec controller in my gaming rig, and they hit over 2000MB/sec - so the same speed as the 24 shown in this video :)
@SuperMangn We're in 2012, you do know also Plasma tv's don't get burn-ins anymore. We rent and use only server grade equipment. And there's absolutely no comparison at all in I/O speed, which result in fluid and fast interface to the customers. Same goes for my Air, damn last benchmark I got 210/240 Write/Read in sequential. Mechanical hard drives are soon to be instinct, but I understand that resistance to change is a natural human reaction.
@ufsabpckid - It may come as a surprise, but a lot of people build their own computers for a number of reasons. For example, if you want a PC that can run most games, you're likely going to have to build it yourself.
I have a question. I'm ordering the MSi GT70, which provides 128GB SSD SUPER RAID. With a 750GB HDD. It also gives an option for RAID 0 or RAID 1. What is RAID 0 and RAID 1?
yes, but one would not need to run everything from the RAM drive, only those programs you use the most. A 64GB RAM drive would be sufficient for most to run their programs out of, and would be much cheaper too(about $400 versus $6500 for better performance. You get an SSD for your OS to run from, an HDD for program storage, and lots of RAM for a temporary RAM drive to run them from. Its not hard to copy/paste and then point to a different directory to run them out of.
SSDs don't really have seek times like HDD have making it unnecessary, but they do have a much more limited amount of writes which makes them shorten the lifespan.
Of course the data on SSDs fragment. It's just that there is no big advantage to sequential reads over random access reads on an SSD. In other words defraging an SSD is pointless and even damaging when you consider that SSDs allow a (very large) finite number of writes. I think the point of that demonstration was to show how reading through the entire contents of the SSD array could be done in seconds. Just don't try it at home if you value having a long lifespan on your SSDs.
@therealwouter SSD's dont spin, they read the information digitally instead of physically, therefor don't need to defrag in order to work at optimum speed. Defragging an SSD also wears the drive, as an SSD has a limited amount of writes to it, and a defrag is thousands of writes. But in this case they probably did it just to show how fast it could defrag, which normally takes a while.
This video was made over 3 years ago.. Nowadays you can achieve these exact speeds with only 4x60GB SSDs. 240GB storage at around 2000mB/s read/write. It would cost you around $210 from Newegg.com.
2GB/s and it can be done only by single NVMe SSD by now. Technology flies so fast!
Than put 24 nvmes in raid 0 :D
As of today you can push around 7GB/s on one SSD, and PCIe 5 is right around the corner. Won't be long before we're north of 10
10 years later and you can now go faster with just one NVME SSD
a cheap NVMe SSD can outperform 'em.
@@pnnytx probably not in terms of IOPS, actually. IOPS is most important. And those MLC drives are going to last a while
My $300 smartphone can do 1.5 GB/s off of its internal storage.
This video is epic, hilarious, and nostalgic all at the same time. What a time to be alive.
Defragging an SSD? WHY?!!
For the lolz
Pepsi Epilepsy and destroy themselves
to your computer - FILIPINO EDITION
Hehehe, says who?
"disk defrag" you're officially killing your SSD
OSes today should recognize when you are using an SSD and disable the defrag option for the drive(s) so the technologically-challenged people don't ruin their SSD.
It was just a demonstration of the SSD's speed.
Joel Hinson ACtually it's on the ssd manufacture to do this and they have so yeah. When youy "defrag" it just runs a reblocking command in the firmware to organize the drives
If your SSD is ruined by a simple defrag, your SSD was on its way out already anyways.
Only the first ssd's suffered such problems, you have to think, if you actually USE your SSD, its being written to and read from all the time. One of my first SSD's that I still run on a backup computer, that was old tech, has over 34 terabytes of reads, and over 28tB of writes on it, and its a 240gB ssd!
Note, I'm saying a defrag is recommended, or will even help. (Although this is argueable on some SSD controllers, its still not generally something that is needed). But to say it will destroy an ssd, is the same thing as saying USING your ssd will destroy it. If it scares you to put your SSD to full load for say 20-30 minutes, then I'd be scared to use the SSD in general!
I image my daily drivers SSD every 2 to 4 weeks usually. 512 gigabytes that is generally around 250gB full. What do I image it to? None other than a secondary SSD through my hot swap ultrabay so it goes nice and fast.
SSD's of today (well and even 3 years ago when you made your post) are much stronger than SSD's of 2009 and prior. Keeping heat down is the main priority! Some of the enterprise ssd's used in servers have rediculous amounts of available read/write cycles before degrading. Of course, they are a lot more costly than consumer ssd's.
For the dumb dumbs saying its to slow... THE VIDEO IS 5 YEARS OLD
Your comment is now 5 years old...
@@carcarlos777 Your comment is now 5 years old.
Try this with modern ssds
I like coming back to this every once in a while when I hear about new SSD speeds. 5GB/s? No problem now.
Me and my dad have completed the work with the internet. Now with the solid state drive. - Saturday December 14 2024. To do with the mail.
The really amazing part about this is that it was done on Vista.
To those watching it: DON'T DEFRAG YOUR SSD!
+sanshinron why?
TK Jones Because SSDs have exactly the same access time regardless if the file is fragmented all over the place or not. The only thing you achieve by defragmenting a SSD is decreasing its lifespan.
+sanshinron interesting, how does it shorten the life span?
SSDs, especially earlier generations, have a limited amount of times a cell can be rewritten before it "dies". The impact of defragmenting may or may not be significant, but it's still pointless.
to give a bit more technical answer: SSD's like conventional hard drives are divided into sectors. your data is spread out over these sectors. When you defrag a drive you move your data around over these sectors, basically: you do a read job on one sector and a write job on another.
While sectors of a conventional HDD can virtually handle an infinite amount of read/ write instructions, the sectors of an SSD can not. Read/write them to often and they will "break", corrupting the data in that sector. Add to that as mentioned before that defraging gives you 0 performance increase , you're effectively decrease the life expectancy of your SSD for no reason.
Things are not as bleak as they may seem though; as mentioned before; the impact is quite insignificant. you can completely fill an SSD and format it again 1000x and still not notice a performance decrease. Normal consumers probably won't even read write every single sector on an SSD that often. Things are different in a datacenter where these limitations actually used to be a major concern with earlier SSD's.
defrag essentially moves data around on the disk so that contiguous files are closer to each other on the physical platter(s) and not broken up. this process involves shuffling files around many many times, performing many "write" operations. this isn't an issue with HDD's as the disk media is very durable. however, the flash memory in an SSD is much less durable and has a limited number of times it can be changed. defragging an ssd would use up many of those writes, shortening it's life.
Make a 2015-version of it!
this video has to be redone with todays hardware
It's when the computer uses two or more drives (connected to a RAID controller) to read and write data. In short terms: If you have two drives, half of the data is stored on D0 and the other half on D1. This allows the computer to read and write data much faster - for certain tasks, anyways - than only one of these drives.
Nice work defragging SSD's "I.T Genius"
+Plazma Catcher this was back in the day, acura days.
How did they time travel and get Gravity in 2009? Sandra Bullocks wasnt even born then.
2020 future person here. We still haven't figured out what DVD it was.
i was a bit underwhelmed when i saw 2gb, after seeing your comment i realised how old the vid was haha
This video need an Update :D
DON'T DEFRAG SSD!!!!
imagine this technology a few years from now. it's going to be epic.
aged pretty well i would say
Yeah you can get a 15tb ssd now
10 years later, we can do 5GB/sec on a single NVMe drive.
WD Black SN850: hold my gen4 pcie
SSD and defrag.... sigh
It's 2019 and 6TB on SSDs are still impressive. Also those speeds, while achievable with a single or dual drives, they are still respectable.
we came so far now get just samsung 950pro m.2 and enjoy more speed then this lol
yeah I can't imagine what will happen 10 year later...
+William Peng I literally just got done, saying that to my wife.
+Hemant Giri I still remember buying my 2 OCZ vertex turbos and raiding them just like this guy without any kind of support and or trim available at the time. I remember spending over $500 a ssd for these turbos and only having one of them fail over a year plus of use in a raid setup that was never supported to begin with. Got an RMA albeit, but man......the performance was INSANE at the time. Hence why you "pay" for them big advancements at the time being....
+YOUDIEMOFO agree with u
funny how you can do better today whith just a 960 pro mvme ssd
hi. just came back to comment on one of my favorite ads on youtube many years ago. this video is the first time I heard about SSDs!
Meanwhile in 2017 They're getting 11GB/s reads on 24 SSD raid 0
Fast forward to 2015, now a similar performance can be achieved with a finger-sized SSD!
techgage.com/news/samsung-unveils-first-pcie-3-0-x4-based-m-2-ssd-delivering-speeds-of-over-2gbs/
You don't need to defragment a SSD because defragmenting is meant to move pieces of a file closer together on a platter/traditional disk drive. on SSD it's just as fast to read one section as the other, whereas on a platter it takes time to read from the inner to the outer of the circle.
Oh for fuck sakes peoplle, get over it. Yes it is recomended not to defrag an SSD, but doing it once or twice is not going to damage the bloody thing.
especially when there's barely anything in the drives
also not a lot of people knew it back in 2009, i mean it wasnt general knowledge
I tried an SSD once... no idea where it's hiding now... Anyway, I installed it on Dad's old XP laptop. BIG MISTAKE!!! It was far slower, it drove me more insane than usual. I discovered that SSD is really only useful when it's SATA with a newer OS, like Linux or Windows 10. The combo of XP and PATA was utterly horrible.
it basically shorten the life span of the ssd but does not apply for hdd. defragging is basically rearranging the content on the storage device example cleaning a book shelf hence finding your stuff faster as less junk is arround
@Maul9999 You don't and it says so in the vid.
"Power supplies connected by soldering pins 14 and a few ground wires together. This gives them a common ground and connects PS_ON to let the motherboard control them directly. Power was then shared between both supplies evenly; one EPS12v each, drives and graphics split over."
Hope that clears it up for you.
Very very cool of these guys. Especially considering it's two years ago. They set the bar very high. But man oh man those raid controller cards would be expensive - let alone, of course, the 24 drives.
Samsung SSD program is really really very good..benchmark function with harddisk is wonderful..
they do determine the speed of calculation, but the hard drive determines the speed of writing, let me explain: if you want to copy a file in the same hard drive the only factor is the hard drive speed, but if you want to copy between two the factors are the ram speed/size and the speed of both hard drives
yay. I love my vertex 3 running at 500mbps. SSD's are evolving so brilliantly
It's a combo of both, the SSDs will transfer data faster to the card for processing.
@Coi1221 Correct, the smallest pipe makes the bottleneck, saying it goes cpu>cache>ram>hdd is wrong, with the setup you just described it'd be the hdd causing bottlenecks bigtime.
YOU MAKE VISTA LOOK AWESOME. UNBELIEVABLE.
Inded it does and you dont but it is a good way to show the access speed of those disks, and that was the entire machnes perpous to exist
Love how this was 10 years ago! Really cool, nonetheless.
Great! Now...how much did it cost?
oh well. that means we have come a long way in SSd tech since 2009
Because RAM discs are limited, take up valuable ram for programs away, and ram drives (in not running it with one that has a battery) will erase the information after a restart. But it all depends on if you get one with a battery (the ram drive board, like the gigabyte I-RAM) or not.
Exactly. I was just pointing out how fast technology changes.
@IXCHELXI GB can either be 1000 or 1024. Whenever you buy for example, a 2TB harddrive it will only be 1.8ish terrabytes when you use it.
Almost 9 years, and this video still makes me laugh.
I'd love to see this done on mac, maybe demo the speed by exporting a 1-2 hour video from final cut pro X
Wait a second, how is the speed of the solid state drives making usb or whatever faster, and are they controlling the graphics?
And now, 5 years after this video was made, you can have a samsung 840 pro 256gb with samsung's RAPID technology and get up to 1gb/s read/write.
You are correct but if you wait to "pause" on a certain ending frame of them showing you how they built it, it shows it hits 2108 mb making it over two gigs :3
At current prices, $4,800 with Crucial's M4 256GB drives. Not to mention how much faster current drives are - I want to see them redo this video with 24 Samsung 840 Pros. :)
As far as prices back then, I imagine 10s of thousands...
Oh after all those windows opened from start menu, was the mouse still responsive?
We need a new version of this done with the 840Pro drives...
Doesn't programs opened up affect the RAM? I thought Hard Drives just store memory from like videos and pictures.
This needs to be redone now with the latest hardware that is out! With SATA III and the faster SSD drives that are out now I am curious to see how fast it would be now!
@darklightnin A normal spinning hard drive would crap all over itself if you tried jumping around with it while it was reading a file. The Solid State Drive has effectively no moving parts so jumping around with it won't mess up a read or write operation.
But the 2gb/s limit is from the controller not the ssd's.
I hope they make an updated video using the current generation processor
The fire extinguisher is just a joke trying to maintain the happy go lucky feel of the video. If you can't instantly recognize that, than I don't know what else I can tell you. Since they're trying to show how fast this setup is they showed how fast it can defrag the hard drives. They're not making a statement that people should, just showing the speed. Most people watching this video don't know much about SSDs, so it's also good to show that no matter how much you shake it, they won't damage.
@Maul9999 i'm not mistake its a well known fact, it is stated by spec by the companies not to defrag it. The engineers that work at the companies don't put warnings in spec for shits and giggles.
Funny how much better SSDs have become since this video. I have 4 Samsung 840PRO drives in RAID0 on an Adaptec controller in my gaming rig, and they hit over 2000MB/sec - so the same speed as the 24 shown in this video :)
@SuperMangn We're in 2012, you do know also Plasma tv's don't get burn-ins anymore. We rent and use only server grade equipment. And there's absolutely no comparison at all in I/O speed, which result in fluid and fast interface to the customers. Same goes for my Air, damn last benchmark I got 210/240 Write/Read in sequential. Mechanical hard drives are soon to be instinct, but I understand that resistance to change is a natural human reaction.
Brawndo Ahh, I remember 2012. It was a good year!
What is the command to open all the programs like in this video?
what is that program that was used to check the performance
What did u do with all of them when u were done
They should remake this video with current SSDs
+1 i'd love to see it with a bunch of HUGE ssds
@ufsabpckid - It may come as a surprise, but a lot of people build their own computers for a number of reasons. For example, if you want a PC that can run most games, you're likely going to have to build it yourself.
Why is the computer beeping on start up? Doesn't that indicate a BIOS problem?
I have a question. I'm ordering the MSi GT70, which provides 128GB SSD SUPER RAID. With a 750GB HDD. It also gives an option for RAID 0 or RAID 1. What is RAID 0 and RAID 1?
what command does he use to open all programs at the same time?
that and this video is 3 years old. ssd's have come a LONG way in the last 3 years.
And after over a decade, Linus is playing with 100GiB/s of raw power - 50x of improvement over a decade, not bad I say 😶
I want the batch file he's using to open everything in the Start menu!!!
MAke your own. It's easy as pie.
Emtildeath6666 pie is hard when you leave it to dry, just like these guys. the never get wet. HAHAHAHARRRR
2018 this video still ... AWESOME!
yes, but one would not need to run everything from the RAM drive, only those programs you use the most. A 64GB RAM drive would be sufficient for most to run their programs out of, and would be much cheaper too(about $400 versus $6500 for better performance. You get an SSD for your OS to run from, an HDD for program storage, and lots of RAM for a temporary RAM drive to run them from. Its not hard to copy/paste and then point to a different directory to run them out of.
You can raid 2 revodrives? is this true? I thought you could not.
is it wise to install both ssd and hdd and use the ssd as the boot drive and my hdd as all my downloads/documents etc?
SSDs don't really have seek times like HDD have making it unnecessary, but they do have a much more limited amount of writes which makes them shorten the lifespan.
@AtomicHercules No, are you kidding me? It has nothing to do with how much time it took, it's all about what it accomplished.
6tb hmm thats alot of space , do u have space inside the case to support 24 ssds ?
how much would that all cost i thnik around the 10 grand mark
How did you connect all of them to the MB? PCIe?
Of course the data on SSDs fragment. It's just that there is no big advantage to sequential reads over random access reads on an SSD. In other words defraging an SSD is pointless and even damaging when you consider that SSDs allow a (very large) finite number of writes. I think the point of that demonstration was to show how reading through the entire contents of the SSD array could be done in seconds. Just don't try it at home if you value having a long lifespan on your SSDs.
Cleaning this computer sure will be lots of fun
@therealwouter SSD's dont spin, they read the information digitally instead of physically, therefor don't need to defrag in order to work at optimum speed. Defragging an SSD also wears the drive, as an SSD has a limited amount of writes to it, and a defrag is thousands of writes.
But in this case they probably did it just to show how fast it could defrag, which normally takes a while.
Awesome, this is the fastest PC I have ever seen!!!
will it blend?
I know, but at the time it said over 2GB and the figure was 2018.95. Most people think that 1000MB is simply a GB, they probably forgot ;)
@jayesh1744 I understand that, but now that you think of it, there wouldnt be much difference.
I was considering redo with 7?
@proudy01 depends how you determine gigs, in modern day a Gig is now considered 1000 megs, just like all other units of bytes
Do you still use this build?
Show a video of how quickly Windows installed, or common games! These are the metrics we gamers and hackers love to see.
@Ponnybit
Even if it's a commercial for Samsung, what makes there products crap?
This video was made over 3 years ago.. Nowadays you can achieve these exact speeds with only 4x60GB SSDs. 240GB storage at around 2000mB/s read/write.
It would cost you around $210 from Newegg.com.
so how much did it cost to build those?
now the problem is: where you gonna put them?
Is it possible to convert SSD RAID 0 on Alienware Notebook to independent drives?