True, though in the book, Chani also wears a kerchief on her arm when she's mourning the death of her father Liet-Kynes. So the significance of moving a symbol of love to a mourning position should be obvious enough - to the people who have read the book anyway. I like the little winks meant for the readers that have been thrown in there, here and there.
Fear. Paul is led by fear. Fear of not being able to avenge his father. Fear of losing the few Atreides remaining. Fear of losing his new fremen family. Fear of seeing his apocalyptic visions become true. We SW fans know where this is leading. Now Paul is the leader of a bunch of religious fanatics, and they have nukes. What can go wrong, really? I'm a huge Dune nerd and I loved the movies. Unfortunately, it's not possible to show all the political subtleties, conspirations and "plans within plans" described in the books, but hints are still there for us to understand the underlying Bene gesserit motives, so I'm OK with that. In the books Chani is fully supportive of Paul's increasing fanaticism, so her arc was changed. I'm neither happy nor unhappy with that, I wonder how she will evolve in the next movie. I've no problem with Paul killing the Baron instead of his sister Alia, it feels justified from a revenge point of view. As for thinking that nobody will challenge Paul's power in the future, well...Dune Messiah shows us a very different reality, but I will say no more in order not to spoil. Small but nice detail: Paul looks directly into the nuclear flash when the Shield Wall mountain is destroyed in order to let the worms in. This is not a scenario flaw, Paul now has the powers of a male Bene Gesserit, and supreme control over his body reactions and capacity to handle pain and cell regeneration. Thanks for reacting to this amazing movie!
I also think Paul killing the Barron further shows he's on the dark path. Good change for the purpose of the movie where you just don't have time like the book does. Though Alia mercing him in the book is awesome too. Just not enough time to deal w Alia in the movie.
Why its lethal to men. the water of life unlocks genetic memory and bit more some of the memory has life of its own... with woman who only have X line they cant see any of male side but man would unlock both the X and Y lines...
Well yeah in the book she does, this movie is obviously going for a different take though. They will probably end up reconciling in some way in Dune 3 since Chani has to give birth to Leto II, but the movie didn’t leave off in a place where Chani is his willing concubine lol. She was obviously angry and heartbroken, and she was running away and not embarking on the Jihad at Paul’s side like in the book.
@@steelnation5110 Yes. I suspect Denis had some sort of resolution in mind for that issue in 3 even before he wound up 2. Otherwise he would not have sent Chani off that way. It will be interesting to see how he resolves what is essentially a 3-way relationship.
@@steelnation5110 "the movie didn't leave off in a place where chani is his willing concubine" There's a scene after Paul drinks the poison that perhaps indicates otherwise. Lady Jessica, "I'm sorry about Chani" Paul, "she'll come to understand. I've seen it." I think Chani will still be Paul's concubine.
The black and white Harkonnen scenes were filmed using infrared cameras. 26:52 The three women Feyd talks to are his cannibalistic concubines called Harpies. They do not appear in the books and are original in Denis Villeneuve’s adaptation. 31:20 Austin kissing Stellan back was actually improvised and Stellan just went with it. Chani was originally more of a background character in the book, but Villeneuve felt that her character would work better if she had a bigger part. I don’t know why, but Zimmer’s score (Kiss the Ring) at 54:09 always give me chills. Denis Villeneuve has said that the 3rd movie will be his last in the Dune universe unless he feels the need to create more.
Paul is not the hero.......when a religious figure gains political control..... people become so blinded by faith that they turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing........the film did so good by making Paul charming because great dictators are always charismatic.
Denis has said multiple times in interviews that he made Dune: Part Two with Herbert’s original intentions in mind. He did not want Paul to be seen as the hero, but people did not understand the true meaning of the book at first. This is one of the reasons why Herbert wrote Dune Messiah.
@@nickavenoso7851 I did not read the books tho.......the film did a good job with Chani too.......I felt as if she is the mirror, I could see reflection of Paul in Chani..... got goosebumps by seeing reaction of Chani when people were bowing before Paul during the sandworm scene .........if Chani wasn't there maybe I could be another one doing Lisan Al Gaib😂
@@subhdd Without spoiling too much, Chani is more of a background character in the books and Denis made the choice to give her a bigger part in the story because he believed it helped push the story forward.
@@Ybereza69 It seems that u care😀......I know why u went into denial mode, it happens to people when u attack their heroes, it feels as if personal attack has been done to them.......just ignore if u r still in denial mode
Dune came out in the 1960's and influenced generations of authors and moviemakers. You see the influence of Dune with it's political dynamics in Game of Thrones and at one time the author of Dune; Frank Hebert was contemplating suing George Lucas for ripping off his book to adapt his Star Wars movie.
47:25 The mountain protected the region from the storms and the worms. Blowing it up allowed both to get through (the storm is crucial to the timing of their plan, as it rendered all shields useless, allowing the worms to get through without going into a frenzy and killing each other). Also, the use of atomics on people is a big no-no in this universe. It's punishable by planetary annihilation. Had Paul aimed for the emperor's tent, the Great Houses would have retaliated in kind. In the book the emperor charges Paul with the use of an atomics weapon. Paul's excuse is that it was used against a "natural feature of the desert" that was "in his way" because he was "in a hurry to get to you."
Remember: in the first movie the fremen tent collected water from them while they were waiting under the sand. Soooo technically Paul and chani can replace all that water they lose from uhhh extracurricular activities 😅
One maker hook on either "side" allows the rider to guide the worm, by allowing the scales he/she has raised to lower or be pulled open. In this way, a rider can turn the worm. As to getting off, there are several ways. Rotate the worm to the side on which you wish to get off and jump off when a suitable spot is reached. Wait until the worm is breaking through a suitable dune and jump off. Wait until the worm starts to gradually descend and, at a suitable spot, step off. Wait until the worm tires sufficiently and jump/step off. This is all I remember: there are likely other ways.
Some things are best left for imagination. At least we know it's doable. And that's enough. When everything is exposed, then it does not trigger your curiosity.
I definitely disagree that Chani is a more complex and interesting character in the movie than the book. I fully understand the necessity to make Chani the voice of opposition when adapting this book into a movie. The book grants the reader access to the consciousness of its characters and through Paul’s consciousness, we experience his conflict with his ascent to power and the upcoming jihad, his attempts at stopping it until he realizes it’s much bigger than him and that he can’t. This kind of complex internalization simply isn’t the domain for cinema. Not fluid cinema anyway. So it’s necessary to bestow this conflict into an external source. And because the only character suitable to impose this upon is Chani, she’s the one who gets fundamentally changed. The movie version of Chani is a complete invention of the filmmakers and does not represent Herbert’s vision in any meaningful way. Again, while I understand that narrative necessity of this action, it comes with the tradeoff of erasing the original purpose of this character. In the book, Chani is Paul’s internal peace. The two of them both lose their fathers to this campaign providing the opportunity for these characters to comfort each other. Chani understands Paul as an outworlder as her dad was also an outworlder and has her outworlder father was in a leadership role within the Fremen, she sees Paul being the rightful man to take that position. Chani and Paul’s relationship is born out of deep empathy in this way. Chani becomes Paul’s ride or die, she too wishes for the freedom of her people, she provides her lover with valued counsel during his times of crisis. She understands the politics of marriage as all Fremen women do. The movie version of this character just has none of this. She’s little more than an avatar to voice Paul’s conflict and I consider this to be a substantial downgrade for her character. She’s vastly less interesting and complex and so is her relationship with her people and her lover. When I hear people say that this adaptation is an improvement to the character, I really think those people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I have been going around, watching Dune reactions to see how people react to the top moments such as the Paul speech scene and the worm ride and whatever. When I came to this video, I skipped a bit of the beginning to see the Jessica drinking the water of life scene, but then I realized that you guys are actually really fun to watch reacting, and I got carried away, and I forgot to skip to the next good sequence. Then I watched the rest, and I had a GREAT time! You guys deserve more. +1 subscriber for you
I've learned to never say stuff like "you're about to see an amazing scene" and stuff like that. Usually makes the other person inclined to not like it as much. Just a tip.
Star Wars was a rip off of Dune and Justice has come full circle, Dune was made into a successful movie and Star Wars is dying by a death of a thousand cuts.
That's unfair to say. Yes Star Wars was inspired by Dune quite a bit but it also took from numerous other sources as well such as samurai films, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, spaghetti westerns, Arthurian mythology and many more. So I wouldn't call it just a rip -off. Dune is just a sci-fi point of view of "Lawrence of Arabia".
They took heavy inspiration from each other, I firmly believe without one or the other they wouldnt be as good as they are today, George took inspiration from Frank Herbert’s book in the 60s and then the Dune 80s movie took heavy inspiration from George Lucas 70s Star Wars films and you can continue to see them take inspiration from each other. I love both franchises and so I’m happy to see both these franchises be so successful in today’s media. Saying one is better than the other is pure opinion, but both are essential for each other to exists.
I saw this 3 times in theaters, I've watched more reactions than i care to admit. This is the first time I realized Paul is literally almost crying when he tells Chiani, I'll go south and do what must be done. Absolutely breaks him that feels he needs to take the Water. From there, it's all over.
They couldnt nuke Emperor because there was a rule that someone who uses atomic arsenal against one of great houses directly will be punished. So he used nukes to destroy mountain.
Jessica bashing that Harkonnen's head in with a rock under the eclipse is my favourite shot. It somehow represents everything that's Dune is trying to say.
20:24, Yes it will. I just read the book again recently. It's in the pages following Paul's ride somewhere. A lot of the tribes ride the worms until they become exhausted in the deep desert and some worms literally slow down and don't even burrow right away. They just rest on the surface while your group can easily jump off and summon another worm with a fresh thumper. It's why they clock their journeys in thumpers because eventually you have to hook a fresh worm and continue the journey especially after making camp since some journeys from the north into the south are 20+ thumper trips in the area Sietch Tabr travels. Of course, not all worms slow down given some trips don't require you riding the shai-hulud until exhaustion so, jumping off as the worms become tired to burrow is apparently a way to go about it as well. It's not more descriptive than that, unfortunately. Well, in the first book, anyways. I've never read beyond the next book but, I'm going to do something about that soon. 54:24, He is bleeding but, his mother also trained him in Prana Bindu conditioning which means he can control the small minute forms of how his body accepts stimuli and how it reacts to stimuli even physically. It's why he and his mother can't be poisoned outright with conventional poisons of their day because they can literally stop it from coursing through their bodies and some poisons can even be slowed, diverted, or stopped by their bodies altogether. It's another reason Paul is suited to become the One because the blade of the emperor literally has a poison applied on its edge that he stops from killing him outright in the middle of their fight and he fools Feyd by pretending the poison was working on him and that's the edge he uses to win their duel in the novel. But yes, the abilities of the sisterhood are also why the Bene Gesserit are meant to serve because their abilities within the sisterhood could make them conquerors or provide those they help in assassin wars with other houses outright but, it's not the point of their order. They're meant to serve because they're trying to manipulate the human race to create the Kwisatz Haderach...only Jessica messed up thousands of years of their end game by having a son out of love for Leto instead of creating a controllable female messiah that the Bene Gesserit could've used to control the universe and guide mankind until the end of time. The power and abilities Jessica possesses is a topic brought up by Thufir Hawat, the Atreides Mentat, in the sadly abandoned Hawat subplot throughtout the whole first book that the director culled from both films. He knew it was going to muddy the waters...and if he had included it the movies both would be 4+ hours long given the amount of scenes needed to explain why and where Thufir is in the story for both films. They also cut an interesting pivotal character named Count Fenring from the films since that would've made the movies an extra hour long to explain his part in everything as well. Frank Herbert was right about one thing in one of his many lamenting writings about people trying to make his book into a movie...they would never do it absolute justice. There's no filmmaker alive and no way to possibly communicate the breadth of detail to begin with let alone tell everything necessary for everything to fit anyhow. I mean it's a common criticism for most adaptations of any book but, Herbert never believed in anyone even getting close to what Villeneuve put to screen also because he saw how Star Wars took from Dune and never thought a Dune film was going to ever get out of the shadow of the more audience friendly heroes journey adventure story of Star Wars.
David Lynch's Dune leans heavily towards Paul being a hero/saviour type of character. It boggles my mind how anyone can think his version is closer to the book.
27:03, yes, he says "bring his body to my room, my darlings are hungry. there was no food for them on the flight" in the Arrakeen control room later in the film. Also the Harkonnen slave girls bleed black blood (see the scene with Rabban) and then the 3 girls have black lips and teeth.
Important thing to remember is that Lady Jessica and Duke Leto were never married. The Reverend Mothers, (All of Us) push hard for Paul to marry for political positioning. It's up to Chani to decide how she reacts. As a fan of the books, I absolutely prefer this interpretation of Chani over the book.
if i remember right from the book they just take out the various hooks they use to keep the worm on the surface then time their jump off its back carefully as it dives back under the sand
Paul's sister being like Boss Baby omg yes 🤣 Also would love to see you react to Lawrence of Arabia, it was a huge inspiration to Frank Herbert and to Denis Villeneuve
They didnt nuke the enemies directly cause its Arakeen, the capital of Arrakis, and it still has people in it etc., not just cause they didnt want to harm the emperor. Paul wanted to kill him very much, and if there was no Feyd, to act as a champion - he would have.
He could have nuked the area but that move doesn't carry the same weight as him beating the Emperor's army through his forces. His forces easily annihilating the Sardaukar through hand to hand combat sends a huge message across the galaxy to the other houses; houses who were afraid of the Emperor's Sardaukar. He also needed to keep the Emperor alive.
He also needs to breach the defenses to penetrate the city. The mountains and the walls protect from worms. Without breaching the walls or mountains the Fremen riding the worms would not be able to get inside the defenses.
just on the blue band you see Chani wear throughout the film, that is show her connection with her mother in the film, but father in the book Leit Kynes (the one who gets shanked after He/She helps paul and jessica escape in Pt1) who also wears it.
I think the reason Paul ordered to nuke the mountain behind the Emperor's ship is to force him turn on the shields. If I remember correctly, dr. Kynes told them during the visit on the mining fields, that the shields would drive the sandworms to a killing frenzy.
Arakeen has walls and mountains protecting it from worms. He uses the nukes to create an opening for his worms to attack where they thought they'd be safe. That may be part of it, but he needed to breach the defenses.
Yeah, that and they don't seem to respect the story given their comments and laughing. Shame really, because Dune is a film that requires attention to detail to fully grasp its meaning.
@@shaungerald23 Oh, it is. You just do not have the comprehension skills to......... Comprehend. It looks like the "good" guys against the "bad" guys. And on very simple level that is true. Some cannot see deeper. The other 5 books tell the real story of Dune. Not at all what people think form only the 1st one. But there were huge clues. But again, most people are not looking. Just like watching things explode.
@@donny1960 Again, it's not that deep. Not everyone cares about the backstory or history of DUNE. Not always about "explosions". But thanks for condescending response.
My theory about how they reconcile Chani from the book to this movie is that when she rides away at the end, she is already pregnant with Ghanima and Leto II. Either she doesn’t come back and only the children do, or she comes back reluctantly.
Abomination refers to Alia's preborn status. When she is born, she is basically on old woman in a child's body. Everyone kinda finds her a little creepy and the bene gesserits have long taught about the consequences of such a person. I don't know if we'll get to see it as a movie or not, but Children of Dune (book 3) deals with the consequences of Alia's preborn status, and they are severe.
They ride the worms to exhaustion and as it reaches that state (for which he fremen know how to recognize the signs) they have it sink to about 80 percent submerged and ride it til it goes dormant. Then they just walk off onto the sand.
When a woman took the poison, they only open memories for their gene (XX) as woman does not have Y gene (Male gene is XY). When man took the poison it would unlock both memories from all Male and Female ancestors which at least doubles the amount of pain that even reverend mother said they dare not look. In those memories which the reverend mother refer as something like abyss, lies the other half of Males memories which supposedly only accessible by Kwisatz Haderach.
I've been a huge SW fan as long as I can remember. I still have an original Rancor toy. At this point, as a whole these movies are superior and I don't think it's that close. Lucas had great vision but was an average director. Villeneuve is a masterful director.
There are so many Paul's out there ........when religious figure turns politician...... people become so blinded by faith that they turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing........the film did so good by making Paul charming because great dictators are always charismatic.
Everyone seems to be missing the basic trolly problem that this movie laying out. He chooses the path of the Jihad because Chani will die if he doesn't. He literally seizes power, marries Irulan and kicks off the Jihad to protect her, and everyone else he cares about.
But what of all the people who die in the process? What about their loved ones, the ones they wanted to protect? Are Chani and everyone Paul cares about more valuable because he cares for them? Is the resulting death and destruction truly worth it?
That's what makes this story an interesting and compelling tragedy. There is no good path. That being said, the Jihad is going to happen no matter what at this point, and things would go even worse if he died.
@@personone1686well it’s clearly a selfish choice but regardless of what he would have done, a jihad would have happened since the bene gesserit have been engineering one for centuries.
Who would win a fight between Anakin Skywalker and Duncan Idaho, remembering that the Holtzman Shield prevents use of a Light Sabre because it would result in a nuclear explosion?
Tactical nukes (even those of today) have much lower yields. There was a plan, by a Chinese entrepreneur, to excavate a trans-Nicaraguan canal utilizing small nukes.
In my personal opinion, these two lack the maturity to watch, analyze properly, and most importantly appreciate good filmmaking, score, practical effect, acting, cinematography, and so on ...everything is a joke...its irritating to me. Thats probably why they only have 2k subscribers.I gave it a chance but after 11minutes left.
In my opinion, this guy lacks the social skills to write, comment and most importantly appreciate when his opinion adds value and when it doesn't... Chill bud. Two buddies engaging with a very well crafted film, no one's getting hurt. Don't like it? Your commentary may have value elsewhere, who knows... There may be a reaction channel centred around looking down your nose at others. ✌️
Ignore the hater calling dissenting views hate. As a reactor you have to know that some will like your style. Some will not. The mature thing is to accept that there are opposing opinions and just keep doing what you do in style you choose.
Chani in the books was a lot more flat. She was a follower, and her dialogue was boring. In the movie, she was a lot more complex. Like in the end, when Paul said he'd take Irulan, in the movie, Chani was P-I-S-S-E-D which makes sense. In the book, she basically just said: "I understand what you have to do. And if you must, I'm fine, dw bro"
The saddest thing about this story is that the next movie probably won't be coming very soon. If only the story with Avatar 2 does not repeat itself. If it comes out in 5 years, it will be good.
watch the other versions as well it's worth it to see and hear the other interpretations i did not enjoy zendaya in this film at all she basically played her character from everything ever ... much like kristen stewart ... just awful
Well, you kind of missed the fact that Paul is unstoppable. He has all the Past and most of the Future under his control. He IS the Emperor, and a whole lot more. The Reverend Mother stated it.... Ultimate Power. And you do not need someone's support if they no longer exist. In the Books. Paul estimates that he and the Fremen obliterate 60 billion people. Did not need their support. Did he? Hopefully someone will be able to make all 6 books into movies. Because the moral of the story is not who gets the power. It is can we as a Race survive someone with all that power.... Or as I like to say.... The bene Gesserit wished for that "Ultimate Power" and to control it. But "be careful what you wish for". That is what Dune is all about. Consequences. Not Power.
You'll get the answer of how they control & get off the worms if you read the books. It's explained more in the follow up books, not so much in Dune itself.
Agreed. They clearly have zero respect for the story and the jokes were just so childish. Dune must be watched with patience and paying attention, without those two things, you can't truly understand the whole of the saga.
Wow, the disrespect being shown by you two is truly disappointing. You don't pay attention and you giggled like school children; clearly, you had no intention of actually watching this. Shame really, because Dune is an intricate story weaving politics, religion and cult of personality into an incredible mosaic. Dune Messiah (Dune 3) will be even more complex, perhaps you two should give it a miss.
@@Rakhim99 Re-read my comment, nothing I wrote was inaccurate, you laughed and giggled, you made childish remarks, etc. You saying it was dope after the fact doesn't change your behavior during the watch.
@@JonInCanada1 I had the same feeling, way too joyful and missing nuances, this is a movie you have to be immersed in, catch all the small things, feel it on a deeper level
This version of Chani isn't better or worse. Her role is completely different, to serve a different purposes. In the book she's not a fighter and is a priestess with more knowledge of how the political affairs work since her father was Liet, so Frank didn't have to spend too much time having her keep up, she already knew Paul had to marry Irulan officially. This version is a fighter with no political knowledge but used as a stop gap for the audience to connect with Frank's main point on Dune, that blinding believing and follow religious and charismatic leaders can lead to devastation.
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Guys, WE KNOW Dune came BEFORE Star Wars lmao. But thank you for your support on these videos! :)
You clearly didn't. Just be humble, don't let ego show. It repells people.
Congrats on the book purchase!!
ua-cam.com/video/ULSd2fBoFr4/v-deo.html (1:24) check out part one also!! :)
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@@andrewdavies3584 stfu loser, you are being weird
Even Feyd was impressed. "Did he really just tell a reverend mother to be silent, even I can't do that."
dude was straight bricked watching Paul stab his uncle
@@HighLordBlazeReborn I hate that that is probably true XD
a fremen warrior wears blue to signify that they are in love. That is why Chani wears the blue sash.
True, though in the book, Chani also wears a kerchief on her arm when she's mourning the death of her father Liet-Kynes. So the significance of moving a symbol of love to a mourning position should be obvious enough - to the people who have read the book anyway. I like the little winks meant for the readers that have been thrown in there, here and there.
Fear. Paul is led by fear.
Fear of not being able to avenge his father. Fear of losing the few Atreides remaining. Fear of losing his new fremen family. Fear of seeing his apocalyptic visions become true.
We SW fans know where this is leading.
Now Paul is the leader of a bunch of religious fanatics, and they have nukes. What can go wrong, really?
I'm a huge Dune nerd and I loved the movies. Unfortunately, it's not possible to show all the political subtleties, conspirations and "plans within plans" described in the books, but hints are still there for us to understand the underlying Bene gesserit motives, so I'm OK with that. In the books Chani is fully supportive of Paul's increasing fanaticism, so her arc was changed. I'm neither happy nor unhappy with that, I wonder how she will evolve in the next movie. I've no problem with Paul killing the Baron instead of his sister Alia, it feels justified from a revenge point of view.
As for thinking that nobody will challenge Paul's power in the future, well...Dune Messiah shows us a very different reality, but I will say no more in order not to spoil.
Small but nice detail: Paul looks directly into the nuclear flash when the Shield Wall mountain is destroyed in order to let the worms in. This is not a scenario flaw, Paul now has the powers of a male Bene Gesserit, and supreme control over his body reactions and capacity to handle pain and cell regeneration.
Thanks for reacting to this amazing movie!
I also think Paul killing the Barron further shows he's on the dark path.
Good change for the purpose of the movie where you just don't have time like the book does.
Though Alia mercing him in the book is awesome too.
Just not enough time to deal w Alia in the movie.
Why its lethal to men. the water of life unlocks genetic memory and bit more some of the memory has life of its own... with woman who only have X line they cant see any of male side but man would unlock both the X and Y lines...
As for Chani, she becomes Paul's concubine. Not a bad thing in this time and place. Remember, Jessica was the Duke's concubine; not wife.
In addition, Paul's wedding with Princess Irulan is purely political, and will never be consummated.
@@Tiisiphone Irulan knows that, too.
Well yeah in the book she does, this movie is obviously going for a different take though. They will probably end up reconciling in some way in Dune 3 since Chani has to give birth to Leto II, but the movie didn’t leave off in a place where Chani is his willing concubine lol. She was obviously angry and heartbroken, and she was running away and not embarking on the Jihad at Paul’s side like in the book.
@@steelnation5110 Yes. I suspect Denis had some sort of resolution in mind for that issue in 3 even before he wound up 2. Otherwise he would not have sent Chani off that way. It will be interesting to see how he resolves what is essentially a 3-way relationship.
@@steelnation5110 "the movie didn't leave off in a place where chani is his willing concubine"
There's a scene after Paul drinks the poison that perhaps indicates otherwise.
Lady Jessica, "I'm sorry about Chani"
Paul, "she'll come to understand. I've seen it."
I think Chani will still be Paul's concubine.
The black and white Harkonnen scenes were filmed using infrared cameras.
26:52 The three women Feyd talks to are his cannibalistic concubines called Harpies. They do not appear in the books and are original in Denis Villeneuve’s adaptation.
31:20 Austin kissing Stellan back was actually improvised and Stellan just went with it.
Chani was originally more of a background character in the book, but Villeneuve felt that her character would work better if she had a bigger part.
I don’t know why, but Zimmer’s score (Kiss the Ring) at 54:09 always give me chills.
Denis Villeneuve has said that the 3rd movie will be his last in the Dune universe unless he feels the need to create more.
Paul is not the hero.......when a religious figure gains political control..... people become so blinded by faith that they turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing........the film did so good by making Paul charming because great dictators are always charismatic.
Denis has said multiple times in interviews that he made Dune: Part Two with Herbert’s original intentions in mind. He did not want Paul to be seen as the hero, but people did not understand the true meaning of the book at first. This is one of the reasons why Herbert wrote Dune Messiah.
@@nickavenoso7851 I did not read the books tho.......the film did a good job with Chani too.......I felt as if she is the mirror, I could see reflection of Paul in Chani..... got goosebumps by seeing reaction of Chani when people were bowing before Paul during the sandworm scene .........if Chani wasn't there maybe I could be another one doing Lisan Al Gaib😂
@@subhdd Without spoiling too much, Chani is more of a background character in the books and Denis made the choice to give her a bigger part in the story because he believed it helped push the story forward.
dont care didnt ask
@@Ybereza69 It seems that u care😀......I know why u went into denial mode, it happens to people when u attack their heroes, it feels as if personal attack has been done to them.......just ignore if u r still in denial mode
Dune came out in the 1960's and influenced generations of authors and moviemakers. You see the influence of Dune with it's political dynamics in Game of Thrones and at one time the author of Dune; Frank Hebert was contemplating suing George Lucas for ripping off his book to adapt his Star Wars movie.
47:25 The mountain protected the region from the storms and the worms. Blowing it up allowed both to get through (the storm is crucial to the timing of their plan, as it rendered all shields useless, allowing the worms to get through without going into a frenzy and killing each other). Also, the use of atomics on people is a big no-no in this universe. It's punishable by planetary annihilation. Had Paul aimed for the emperor's tent, the Great Houses would have retaliated in kind. In the book the emperor charges Paul with the use of an atomics weapon. Paul's excuse is that it was used against a "natural feature of the desert" that was "in his way" because he was "in a hurry to get to you."
Remember: in the first movie the fremen tent collected water from them while they were waiting under the sand. Soooo technically Paul and chani can replace all that water they lose from uhhh extracurricular activities 😅
One maker hook on either "side" allows the rider to guide the worm, by allowing the scales he/she has raised to lower or be pulled open. In this way, a rider can turn the worm. As to getting off, there are several ways. Rotate the worm to the side on which you wish to get off and jump off when a suitable spot is reached. Wait until the worm is breaking through a suitable dune and jump off. Wait until the worm starts to gradually descend and, at a suitable spot, step off. Wait until the worm tires sufficiently and jump/step off. This is all I remember: there are likely other ways.
Some things are best left for imagination. At least we know it's doable. And that's enough. When everything is exposed, then it does not trigger your curiosity.
For groups they just wait until the worm gets tired and slows down by itself.
True ! that's in the book !
I definitely disagree that Chani is a more complex and interesting character in the movie than the book. I fully understand the necessity to make Chani the voice of opposition when adapting this book into a movie. The book grants the reader access to the consciousness of its characters and through Paul’s consciousness, we experience his conflict with his ascent to power and the upcoming jihad, his attempts at stopping it until he realizes it’s much bigger than him and that he can’t. This kind of complex internalization simply isn’t the domain for cinema. Not fluid cinema anyway. So it’s necessary to bestow this conflict into an external source. And because the only character suitable to impose this upon is Chani, she’s the one who gets fundamentally changed. The movie version of Chani is a complete invention of the filmmakers and does not represent Herbert’s vision in any meaningful way. Again, while I understand that narrative necessity of this action, it comes with the tradeoff of erasing the original purpose of this character.
In the book, Chani is Paul’s internal peace. The two of them both lose their fathers to this campaign providing the opportunity for these characters to comfort each other. Chani understands Paul as an outworlder as her dad was also an outworlder and has her outworlder father was in a leadership role within the Fremen, she sees Paul being the rightful man to take that position. Chani and Paul’s relationship is born out of deep empathy in this way. Chani becomes Paul’s ride or die, she too wishes for the freedom of her people, she provides her lover with valued counsel during his times of crisis. She understands the politics of marriage as all Fremen women do.
The movie version of this character just has none of this. She’s little more than an avatar to voice Paul’s conflict and I consider this to be a substantial downgrade for her character. She’s vastly less interesting and complex and so is her relationship with her people and her lover.
When I hear people say that this adaptation is an improvement to the character, I really think those people don’t know what they’re talking about.
I have been going around, watching Dune reactions to see how people react to the top moments such as the Paul speech scene and the worm ride and whatever. When I came to this video, I skipped a bit of the beginning to see the Jessica drinking the water of life scene, but then I realized that you guys are actually really fun to watch reacting, and I got carried away, and I forgot to skip to the next good sequence. Then I watched the rest, and I had a GREAT time! You guys deserve more. +1 subscriber for you
I've learned to never say stuff like "you're about to see an amazing scene" and stuff like that. Usually makes the other person inclined to not like it as much. Just a tip.
I got too excited my bad 😀
Agreed, it takes away the immersion which adds to the effect.
Star Wars was a rip off of Dune and Justice has come full circle, Dune was made into a successful movie and Star Wars is dying by a death of a thousand cuts.
Exactly!
That's unfair to say. Yes Star Wars was inspired by Dune quite a bit but it also took from numerous other sources as well such as samurai films, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, spaghetti westerns, Arthurian mythology and many more. So I wouldn't call it just a rip -off. Dune is just a sci-fi point of view of "Lawrence of Arabia".
They took heavy inspiration from each other, I firmly believe without one or the other they wouldnt be as good as they are today, George took inspiration from Frank Herbert’s book in the 60s and then the Dune 80s movie took heavy inspiration from George Lucas 70s Star Wars films and you can continue to see them take inspiration from each other. I love both franchises and so I’m happy to see both these franchises be so successful in today’s media. Saying one is better than the other is pure opinion, but both are essential for each other to exists.
Not really a rip off when Dune is a scifi ripoff of Lawrence of Arabia
Star Wars was inspired by dune like game of thrones was inspired by lord of the rings. Nothing wrong about it
I saw this 3 times in theaters, I've watched more reactions than i care to admit.
This is the first time I realized Paul is literally almost crying when he tells Chiani, I'll go south and do what must be done.
Absolutely breaks him that feels he needs to take the Water.
From there, it's all over.
They couldnt nuke Emperor because there was a rule that someone who uses atomic arsenal against one of great houses directly will be punished. So he used nukes to destroy mountain.
yeah using atomics on humans will get your whole planet obliterated
yeah using atomics on humans will get your whole planet obliterated
Also, I think Paul wanted to punk him to his face.
B*tch, kiss the ring!
The atreides who wasnt drugged was one of duke leto's elite guard, killing him is impressive.
Jessica bashing that Harkonnen's head in with a rock under the eclipse is my favourite shot. It somehow represents everything that's Dune is trying to say.
20:24, Yes it will. I just read the book again recently. It's in the pages following Paul's ride somewhere. A lot of the tribes ride the worms until they become exhausted in the deep desert and some worms literally slow down and don't even burrow right away. They just rest on the surface while your group can easily jump off and summon another worm with a fresh thumper. It's why they clock their journeys in thumpers because eventually you have to hook a fresh worm and continue the journey especially after making camp since some journeys from the north into the south are 20+ thumper trips in the area Sietch Tabr travels. Of course, not all worms slow down given some trips don't require you riding the shai-hulud until exhaustion so, jumping off as the worms become tired to burrow is apparently a way to go about it as well. It's not more descriptive than that, unfortunately. Well, in the first book, anyways. I've never read beyond the next book but, I'm going to do something about that soon.
54:24, He is bleeding but, his mother also trained him in Prana Bindu conditioning which means he can control the small minute forms of how his body accepts stimuli and how it reacts to stimuli even physically. It's why he and his mother can't be poisoned outright with conventional poisons of their day because they can literally stop it from coursing through their bodies and some poisons can even be slowed, diverted, or stopped by their bodies altogether. It's another reason Paul is suited to become the One because the blade of the emperor literally has a poison applied on its edge that he stops from killing him outright in the middle of their fight and he fools Feyd by pretending the poison was working on him and that's the edge he uses to win their duel in the novel.
But yes, the abilities of the sisterhood are also why the Bene Gesserit are meant to serve because their abilities within the sisterhood could make them conquerors or provide those they help in assassin wars with other houses outright but, it's not the point of their order. They're meant to serve because they're trying to manipulate the human race to create the Kwisatz Haderach...only Jessica messed up thousands of years of their end game by having a son out of love for Leto instead of creating a controllable female messiah that the Bene Gesserit could've used to control the universe and guide mankind until the end of time.
The power and abilities Jessica possesses is a topic brought up by Thufir Hawat, the Atreides Mentat, in the sadly abandoned Hawat subplot throughtout the whole first book that the director culled from both films. He knew it was going to muddy the waters...and if he had included it the movies both would be 4+ hours long given the amount of scenes needed to explain why and where Thufir is in the story for both films. They also cut an interesting pivotal character named Count Fenring from the films since that would've made the movies an extra hour long to explain his part in everything as well.
Frank Herbert was right about one thing in one of his many lamenting writings about people trying to make his book into a movie...they would never do it absolute justice. There's no filmmaker alive and no way to possibly communicate the breadth of detail to begin with let alone tell everything necessary for everything to fit anyhow. I mean it's a common criticism for most adaptations of any book but, Herbert never believed in anyone even getting close to what Villeneuve put to screen also because he saw how Star Wars took from Dune and never thought a Dune film was going to ever get out of the shadow of the more audience friendly heroes journey adventure story of Star Wars.
Leto II got off a sandworm in Children of Dune. It turns out it's pretty simple.
dune came before star wars 😂
Vau. Really? Thank you for informing us about that. You are very smart.
The book does tell you how they get off the worm. Glad y'all enjoyed this.
David Lynch's Dune leans heavily towards Paul being a hero/saviour type of character. It boggles my mind how anyone can think his version is closer to the book.
Lynch's version has the look and feel of Dune. Villeneuve's has the heart and soul.
27:03, yes, he says "bring his body to my room, my darlings are hungry. there was no food for them on the flight" in the Arrakeen control room later in the film. Also the Harkonnen slave girls bleed black blood (see the scene with Rabban) and then the 3 girls have black lips and teeth.
i have never cared about sci-fi before watching dune! now i’m all in
Check out Apple’s take on Issac Azimov’s Foundation- another massively framed epic that takes on big ideas.
27:06 And THAT is how you introduce a villain!!
Important thing to remember is that Lady Jessica and Duke Leto were never married. The Reverend Mothers, (All of Us) push hard for Paul to marry for political positioning. It's up to Chani to decide how she reacts. As a fan of the books, I absolutely prefer this interpretation of Chani over the book.
Now, Alex, do yourself a favors and buy the ticket to experience it in theaters. It's just not comparable 😅.
if i remember right from the book they just take out the various hooks they use to keep the worm on the surface then time their jump off its back carefully as it dives back under the sand
Yes,after the worm tires, slows, maker hooks pulled out, worm turns and rider hops off.
Paul's sister being like Boss Baby omg yes 🤣 Also would love to see you react to Lawrence of Arabia, it was a huge inspiration to Frank Herbert and to Denis Villeneuve
"we can ignore disney star wars" oh real as hell! glad y'all enjoyed the movies, they're just way too good
except for rogue one
@@matheussanthiago9685 except for rogue one and andor yeah!
21:30 Chani is riding Paul's worm
21:51 they're in a still tent much like the still suits it captures their moisture and water.
They didnt nuke the enemies directly cause its Arakeen, the capital of Arrakis, and it still has people in it etc., not just cause they didnt want to harm the emperor. Paul wanted to kill him very much, and if there was no Feyd, to act as a champion - he would have.
also the city has shields doesnt it ? because baron harkonnen said to the doctor ... lowered the shields when he lists the whole plan in dune 1
He could have nuked the area but that move doesn't carry the same weight as him beating the Emperor's army through his forces. His forces easily annihilating the Sardaukar through hand to hand combat sends a huge message across the galaxy to the other houses; houses who were afraid of the Emperor's Sardaukar. He also needed to keep the Emperor alive.
He also needs to breach the defenses to penetrate the city.
The mountains and the walls protect from worms.
Without breaching the walls or mountains the Fremen riding the worms would not be able to get inside the defenses.
just on the blue band you see Chani wear throughout the film, that is show her connection with her mother in the film, but father in the book Leit Kynes (the one who gets shanked after He/She helps paul and jessica escape in Pt1) who also wears it.
when worm gets tired he stops and then you can jump off him
The Blue band means she is in a relationship and is "spoken for" its more apparent why that's necessary in the following books...
I don't know why this comment section is convinced that them making comparisons to Star Wars means they think Star Wars came first.
Sadly, most fanboys actually believe that's the case, so the assumption isn't entirely without merit.
I’m Dune fan but I should say that many Dune fans are really annoying with these comments.
With out a essay I understand that the worms just get tired and then you jump off also they can steer them by pulling on the hooks
That would be great if that shot of the Harkonnen soldier throwing up in the helicopter was actually an actor really puking but Denis left it in.
I think the reason Paul ordered to nuke the mountain behind the Emperor's ship is to force him turn on the shields. If I remember correctly, dr. Kynes told them during the visit on the mining fields, that the shields would drive the sandworms to a killing frenzy.
Arakeen has walls and mountains protecting it from worms.
He uses the nukes to create an opening for his worms to attack where they thought they'd be safe.
That may be part of it, but he needed to breach the defenses.
you cannot make comments about this being like Star Wars, Dune Came first... Maybe not a movie but the books and Loar came before star wars..
Yeah, that and they don't seem to respect the story given their comments and laughing. Shame really, because Dune is a film that requires attention to detail to fully grasp its meaning.
they get it, chill friend
@@JonInCanada1 It's not that deep.
@@shaungerald23 Oh, it is. You just do not have the comprehension skills to......... Comprehend. It looks like the "good" guys against the "bad" guys. And on very simple level that is true. Some cannot see deeper. The other 5 books tell the real story of Dune. Not at all what people think form only the 1st one. But there were huge clues. But again, most people are not looking. Just like watching things explode.
@@donny1960 Again, it's not that deep. Not everyone cares about the backstory or history of DUNE. Not always about "explosions". But thanks for condescending response.
breh I literally just finished watching your first vid reacting to Dune 1 lmao
Double feature for you I guess
DV said he wants to show how they get off the worm in Dune 3
Source?
@@Goblin_Hunter87 an interview from the press tour, here on YT
My theory about how they reconcile Chani from the book to this movie is that when she rides away at the end, she is already pregnant with Ghanima and Leto II. Either she doesn’t come back and only the children do, or she comes back reluctantly.
Pretty sure Jessica stayed on Arrakis, she will probably get Chani to return to Paul, or Chani will changer her mind due to carrying Paul’s offspring
@@AgentMercer Paul did say that he saw that Chani will come to understand. I guess we’ll see what that means.
Aaaahh... Good point, I'd never considered she may be pregnant at this time.
Could be!
I quite enjoyed y'all's reactions to this movie. New sub.
Chani wears the blue headband because she is with child.
Abomination refers to Alia's preborn status. When she is born, she is basically on old woman in a child's body. Everyone kinda finds her a little creepy and the bene gesserits have long taught about the consequences of such a person.
I don't know if we'll get to see it as a movie or not, but Children of Dune (book 3) deals with the consequences of Alia's preborn status, and they are severe.
They ride the worms to exhaustion and as it reaches that state (for which he fremen know how to recognize the signs) they have it sink to about 80 percent submerged and ride it til it goes dormant. Then they just walk off onto the sand.
"This reminds me of Star Wars..." Cuz there's like sand and stuff, amirite? Good luck with the book, bruh. Try not to let your head explode. lol
"It's lethal for men."
"What does that mean?"
🙄
hahaha i know
what do you think, brother..!?😂
When a woman took the poison, they only open memories for their gene (XX) as woman does not have Y gene (Male gene is XY). When man took the poison it would unlock both memories from all Male and Female ancestors which at least doubles the amount of pain that even reverend mother said they dare not look. In those memories which the reverend mother refer as something like abyss, lies the other half of Males memories which supposedly only accessible by Kwisatz Haderach.
better than Star Wars tbh
I've been a huge SW fan as long as I can remember.
I still have an original Rancor toy.
At this point, as a whole these movies are superior and I don't think it's that close.
Lucas had great vision but was an average director.
Villeneuve is a masterful director.
Paul...... is not the hero.
Agreed, he's more an Anti-Hero and given what Dune Messiah will bring, it will be clear as day to all. Can't wait for that.
There are so many Paul's out there ........when religious figure turns politician...... people become so blinded by faith that they turn a blind eye to any wrongdoing........the film did so good by making Paul charming because great dictators are always charismatic.
Everyone seems to be missing the basic trolly problem that this movie laying out. He chooses the path of the Jihad because Chani will die if he doesn't. He literally seizes power, marries Irulan and kicks off the Jihad to protect her, and everyone else he cares about.
But what of all the people who die in the process? What about their loved ones, the ones they wanted to protect? Are Chani and everyone Paul cares about more valuable because he cares for them? Is the resulting death and destruction truly worth it?
That's what makes this story an interesting and compelling tragedy. There is no good path. That being said, the Jihad is going to happen no matter what at this point, and things would go even worse if he died.
@@personone1686well it’s clearly a selfish choice but regardless of what he would have done, a jihad would have happened since the bene gesserit have been engineering one for centuries.
"Lisan al Galib!!!!"
I think Dune 2 may win movie of the year.
I think the new Planet of the Apes movie, Alien: Romulus, and Furiosa has a chance at second place.
Who would win a fight between Anakin Skywalker and Duncan Idaho, remembering that the Holtzman Shield prevents use of a Light Sabre because it would result in a nuclear explosion?
23:03 "You can't like tame the worms right?"
"No"
Me: "Uhhh ... well, later on in the book series they uhhh ... nevermind"
Tactical nukes (even those of today) have much lower yields. There was a plan, by a Chinese entrepreneur, to excavate a trans-Nicaraguan canal utilizing small nukes.
great reaction to a great film. :)
In my personal opinion, these two lack the maturity to watch, analyze properly, and most importantly appreciate good filmmaking, score, practical effect, acting, cinematography, and so on ...everything is a joke...its irritating to me. Thats probably why they only have 2k subscribers.I gave it a chance but after 11minutes left.
In my opinion, this guy lacks the social skills to write, comment and most importantly appreciate when his opinion adds value and when it doesn't...
Chill bud. Two buddies engaging with a very well crafted film, no one's getting hurt. Don't like it? Your commentary may have value elsewhere, who knows... There may be a reaction channel centred around looking down your nose at others. ✌️
You guys are great. Ignore the haters.
Just wanted to write this after reading the comments.
Ignore the hater calling dissenting views hate. As a reactor you have to know that some will like your style. Some will not. The mature thing is to accept that there are opposing opinions and just keep doing what you do in style you choose.
@@donny1960 Have you read some of these comments here? If that's not hate then you don't know what is.
@@tjarkschweizer I have read some of the comments. Yours for example.
Part 1 gave me hope, part 2 just confirmed that the writers thumbed through a few pages of the first book and never touched any of the other books.
Chani in the books was a lot more flat. She was a follower, and her dialogue was boring. In the movie, she was a lot more complex. Like in the end, when Paul said he'd take Irulan, in the movie, Chani was P-I-S-S-E-D which makes sense. In the book, she basically just said: "I understand what you have to do. And if you must, I'm fine, dw bro"
The saddest thing about this story is that the next movie probably won't be coming very soon. If only the story with Avatar 2 does not repeat itself. If it comes out in 5 years, it will be good.
Movie chani is a brat compared to Book Chani.
watch the other versions as well it's worth it to see and hear the other interpretations i did not enjoy zendaya in this film at all she basically played her character from everything ever ... much like kristen stewart ... just awful
Unfortunately I agree with you. Zendaya is pretty much a one note actor. Same as Stewart.
Well, you kind of missed the fact that Paul is unstoppable. He has all the Past and most of the Future under his control. He IS the Emperor, and a whole lot more. The Reverend Mother stated it.... Ultimate Power. And you do not need someone's support if they no longer exist. In the Books. Paul estimates that he and the Fremen obliterate 60 billion people. Did not need their support. Did he? Hopefully someone will be able to make all 6 books into movies. Because the moral of the story is not who gets the power. It is can we as a Race survive someone with all that power.... Or as I like to say.... The bene Gesserit wished for that "Ultimate Power" and to control it. But "be careful what you wish for". That is what Dune is all about. Consequences. Not Power.
You'll get the answer of how they control & get off the worms if you read the books. It's explained more in the follow up books, not so much in Dune itself.
If I hear another Star Wars relationship reference, I'm going to nuke my fucking ears. Yes, Dune inspired Star Wars and they're similar, _jesus_ .
26:56 yea yea they are .. they are legit cannibals 😂.. those girls are basically his pets .. he feeds them .. humans
Hello my Future Duners of America
You guys should REALLY react to Attack on Titan lol. I think you'll enjoy it and appreciate the references.
.The jokes make this unwatchable
I was thinking they took a puff of laughing gas before watching because they were laughing at any and everything.
Star Wars ripped of Dune. Always remember that.
Disagree that Chani is better in the movie, maybe if you think "entirely unrealistic person for her setting who is 180 from the book," is better.
Just don't respond to any job requests by the Harkonnen, it's that simple.
Worst reaction I've seen, you don't pay attention and don't take anything seriously, just laugh the whole movie. Unwatchable
Agreed. They clearly have zero respect for the story and the jokes were just so childish. Dune must be watched with patience and paying attention, without those two things, you can't truly understand the whole of the saga.
@@JonInCanada1 i mean one of the guy is just rewatching it
Guy on the left, so damn gorgeous, difficult to concentrate on ur reaction :/
Don’t miss the 1984 movie
Who's the guy on the left with the curls? What is his Instragram?
What's gonna be fun is seeing what Villenueve does to make the next movie as good. Dune Messiah is literally the weakest novel in the series.
I’m curious to know how they got pregnant Lady Jessica in her little egg tent onto the back of that worm. Lol
You are getting dangerously close to a tiktok haircut... Dont. Stop while you are ahead. Trust me. DO NOT even start with the Tiktok hair bro...
Wow, the disrespect being shown by you two is truly disappointing. You don't pay attention and you giggled like school children; clearly, you had no intention of actually watching this. Shame really, because Dune is an intricate story weaving politics, religion and cult of personality into an incredible mosaic. Dune Messiah (Dune 3) will be even more complex, perhaps you two should give it a miss.
Us- “YO this movie was so dope! Prob movie of the year!!”
John- can’t believe you guys disrespected it.
🤔
@@Rakhim99 Re-read my comment, nothing I wrote was inaccurate, you laughed and giggled, you made childish remarks, etc. You saying it was dope after the fact doesn't change your behavior during the watch.
@@JonInCanada1 I had the same feeling, way too joyful and missing nuances, this is a movie you have to be immersed in, catch all the small things, feel it on a deeper level
It's called having friends, I recommend it to you bro
Did you just pull a "you have to have a high IQ to understand Rick and Morty" but for dune? You totally did XD
Did you know Dune is based off of Star Wars
Peak trolling 🧌
Lol no. Not like Star Wars...like DU NE
The blue headscarf worn by Chani means she's betrothed to Paul.
You guys really need to get girlfriends😮
Boss Baby 💀
I love watching people try really really hard to enjoy this movie because hype says so.
Why saying first time if it's the third time or maybe more.... Clickbait
It was the first time for the star wars fan in the title so technically it wasn't a lie
also, i like y’all’s reaction the best out of everyone’s!
Star Wars? lol
This version of Chani isn't better or worse. Her role is completely different, to serve a different purposes. In the book she's not a fighter and is a priestess with more knowledge of how the political affairs work since her father was Liet, so Frank didn't have to spend too much time having her keep up, she already knew Paul had to marry Irulan officially. This version is a fighter with no political knowledge but used as a stop gap for the audience to connect with Frank's main point on Dune, that blinding believing and follow religious and charismatic leaders can lead to devastation.
These jokes... 🤢
if quenteen releases a movie somehow maby but this is Nr1
Star Wars ripped of Dune. Always remember that.