For sports it makes sense to have less motion blur. The 180 rule comes from cinematic filming days with rotating shutters and is meant for the cinematic look.
best part of this video is the willingness to learn. instead of shutting down an idea simply because it’s against how you’ve been doing it, you took the time to test it and make the change when you realized you actually liked it. icing on the cake is you actually sharing with us. W’s all across the board.
@@BeyondTheGame_E absolutely. i watch yours and peter’s videos because im taking my R8 and 70-200 2.8 to my first football game this weekend and so i’ve been testing all of both of your guys’s advice and seeing what i like. so seeing you test stuff out inspires me even more to do research from other creators, and i’ve found a bunch of guys like you and peter with dope ideas, and I’m stealing every single one 🤣 🥷🏽
thanks to your wife that she was kicking your ass to make this UA-cam channel. absolutely helpful for me in many reasons. I am a long time professional filmmaker making commercials or image films with no effort but now I am filming sports at a university here in germany and its so nice to have this tipps for this niche of videography. thanks though and keep going!
Cool to see a fellow motocrosser here ! I do a lot of motocross, mountain biking, and cycling content (plus actually do those sports as well. I'll try the 1/400 shutter on my next video. Have a big cycling event to film this weekend.
I'm about to shoot my first full football (soccer) match tomorrow, and I just wanted to say thank you for the info and the very clear demo to show the differences! I filmed training sessions in the buildup to this match to test out my settings, and the problems of keeping the 180 shutter were pretty clear (especially since I export photos from the videos as well). I'm glad I found this right before the big game 😄 Thank you again, this really helps a ton! 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Thanks for this video. I was just reviewing some footage I shot in yesterday at a soccer game, and I was going to use some of your hype reel techniques. I found that the footage, especially when cropped in became to blurry especially when you want to slow everything down to actually look good. So then I was like ... hmmm maybe I should shoot with less motion blur. Did a search for "what shutter degree angle sports video" and your awesome video came up. I hadn't heard the term overcranking, so nice to have some vocab to describe it. Today I'll be back at the pitch and give overcranking a shot. Fortunately I'm shooting mid day so I should have plenty of light to keep the iso down. Thanks again for the great content. I really love your hype reel videos. Would love to see some more edit breakdowns.
Great content dude! I've been following you for a couple weeks now and I've learned a ton of great stuff. Soon I will be able to have awesome footage even using my smartphone's camera. Thx for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks to you, it took me one day to figure out how to avoid blur in moving objects :) 180* rule doesn't match to fast moving objects combined with fast moving drone. Thank you for this video.
If you set the high shutter speed shooting with high frame rate like 50fps and playback the same at 50 fps, it will look better for sure. But if the final export was out at 25 fps (check at stat for nerds) like I'm seeing on youtube right now (1080p) It looks harsh on the eyes, sharp image every frame on low frame rate like 24-25 fps don't go along well. that's why they shoot it with motion blur, made it more pleasing to the eyes.
Thanks for the video and info👌, also, I that Andrew Gaze in the basketball video( grey haired guy-coach)? Looks like him. Definitely try this technique with my mountain biking videos.
Generally I think people don't care. I think us as videographers CareMore. 95% of the time go with the 180 rule. If I want that fast paced shot I trun it up. We are creators, there are no rules..🎥🔥
Result is the same. The only difference is that with angle, it will automatically adapt to your frame rate instead of you having to change the shutter speed manually each time you adjust the frame rate.
@@BeyondTheGame_E THNX 4 confirming my thouhgts about this! In the end what do you want to come first : Shutterspeed F value or ISO - Light is the factor of choice.....
I still prefer the 180 degree rule. Overcranking and frame rates of 60+ in full speed will likely end up being the future, but for me they just don't look right. An exception would probably be overcranking gritty things like UFC or boxing, I think for those it would actually be pretty good.
I'm currently investigating this topic as I'm competing in fencing. When I'm knocked out, I use my downtime to video my teammates for analysis purposes as well as having their bouts immortalised. As each division is 3 mins, I'm looking at filming 4k 120fps at 1/250 or 1/500 shutter speed
There’s no such thing as the best shutter speed for a sport or a camera. Go with what you feel looks the best based on the info from this video and your own preferences.
Question for you, this week I picked up the zve10 on your recommendation and then a used A7iii because I am torn on wanting a full frame. Also bought a Sony 18-105 G which is a crop sensor lens. Sending back that lens with the idea to buy a full frame to use on both cameras while I decide which body to keep. I want to be incognito shooting hoops from the stands and behind the backstop for baseball for my HS player. What IBIS lens would you recommend? I saw your sports lens recommendation video for tamron but no IBIS on those…….awesome videos btw, thank you for sharing all the tips!
What shutter speed do you recommend for Iphone 13 Pro and FilmicPro app, filming at 60-fps FullHD (using ND filter), should I follow the 180 degree rule and use 1/120 shutter speed or should I over-crank the shutter speed like 1/480 or what do you recommend? Trying to film some soccer actions for my son and post them on social media (youtube, instagram)? I'm editing them on DaVinci Resolve but I don't know it the final edited movie should be delivered at 60fps for youtube/insta or at 30fps?
In theory the fact that it’s a phone shouldn’t make any difference. You can crank the shutter speed to achieve that sharper look or not if you prefer a more natural one. But in saying that, I’ve never actually filmed sports with a phone so this is not a proven theory, just an assumption.
It's funny you made a video on this. I shoot stills and do short slow motion clips of dogs sprinting and jumping logs etc. When I use S&q mode, I find the slo mo footage looks better if it's a fair bit higher than the 240 fps 180° degree rule. It ends up super sharp but still smooth compared to the motion blur and slo mo. Hmmm
Yeah that's usually the case but it's a fine line though. If you go too far then it starts looking jittery. Not so much in S&Q or if slowed down afterwards, more so when you play the footage at normal speed.
@@BeyondTheGame_E oh ye deffo. Watching your vids has made me think... I may be better off shootimg at 60fps for the smooth and life like look. Just due to the specific nature of what I do whilst also keep cranking up shutter on slo mo clips. Great channel
First of all, you have to make sure you are filming in the right electrical cycle for the country that you’re in (NTSC/PAL). But if you still have flickering, the only thing you can do is to slow down your shutter speed or use proper studio lights instead of normal lights. Otherwise there are plugins that you can buy to remove the flicker in post but I don’t know them.
What’s a good settings for video and what’s a good in setting for pictures using 24 -70 mm f4 and I’m using a canon 90 D your feedback would be very helpful. Thank you.
For sports photography you need your shutter speed to be at least 1/800 even 1/1000 for faster sports. For sports videography it's pretty much all explained in the video already.
Question would this technique work for example I shoot High School Football with the lighting isn't that good what techniques you would use for shooting video at night if the lighting wasn't that great?
It's really hard for me to know without being there to look at your screen while the lights are on. My advice is to test it on a few shots pre-game and look at the results on your computer later.
Great upload 👌In your opinion, would this overcranking method be suitable for birds in flight or fast action animal behaviour, personally I think it should but you have first hand knowledge. Your input would be appreciated. Phil🇬🇧
The concept is the same. The birds will look much sharper but the lack of motion blur might make the movements look a bit jittery. You should just test various shutter speeds and see which look you prefer.
Really excellent video. I like the way you explain things. The question I have is what setting do you use for the deliverable for sports videos- 24p, 30p. 60p, or 120P. Thanks!
in my case i shot at 100p at 1/200 which is 180 but only if i slow it down, it’s great for iso 12,800 of a7siii but it’s still overexposed, so i’m happy to stay at 1/400
Old post, I know, but wondering, do you ever try to shoot "non action" (coach talking to the players during timeout) guys just starting to get out on the court, etc. at the slower 180 degree shutter? Or do you shoot it all at the higher shutter speed? Does it make a noticeable difference in your experience?
When you have a very fast shutter speed, you might see some banding because the shutter speed can't sync with the refresh rate of the lights. There's nothing you can do about it other than slow down your shutter speed. But if you see flicker, that might be because you're using the wrong frequency (NTSC vs PAL). If you don't know what that is, just watch this video ua-cam.com/video/Da-bS7a35zM/v-deo.html
Hi, I found your channel now and I am really impressed with the quality of your footage. I signed up and will now get all your videos back. I make football videos in Italy, I resume the matches with commentary and then I edit the highlights on UA-cam (amateur football). Right now I'm confused after so many years about the settings to use. Over the years with the Sony a6500 (lens 16-55 2.8) I film the last games at 100fps 1/200 and ISO 3200 (otherwise it would be too dark). In addition to some annoying noise there is also a not beautiful crop and the quality on the sonya6500 loses some. So a week ago I went back to using 50fps with 1/100 but thanks to this video… I think I'll go back to 1/200. I also do replays on goals or in main actions. Do you recommend that I also try 1/300 or higher? Thanks for your attention!
The faster your shutter speed is, the darker your image gets. Which I assume you know and that's why you went back to filming at 50fps and 1/100 shutter speed. So yes, a faster shutter speed might look cool, especially for your slowmo content, but if you have to push the ISO so high that your image becomes very noisy, it might not be worth it.
The camera model doesn’t matter. It’s the same concept for any camera. If you want a more natural look just double your frame rate. But if you want a sharper look, crank it up.
@@SidelinePlugs yeah that's the way to go if you want a natural motion blur. The difference won't be massive though. 1/125 being the base, you would need to push it to at least 1/250 to notice a big change in sharpness.
@@BeyondTheGame_E what lens do you recommend Tamron 28-75 or 28-200 ? I want something that's good at recording close up and seeing the opposite side of the court.
Revisiting this video, I'm still on the 80D with kit lens lol Today I will be filming a high school championship at a big stadium from the bleachers hopefully I get past security. I wasn't able to get credentials. I'll be over cranking 60fps with 1/120+ hopefully 1/250+ with 4.0-5.6 f/stop and ISO probably 3200 - 6400+
beyond the game i have a question. i have a aviation channel and i film air shows which could be harder than sports videos. i would like to know from you should i use a tripod with a monitor or a monopod. what do you think cause with your sports your just left to right while im looking up and down
We have to move up and down in sports too. People move towards and away from the camera all the time so we adjust in all directions, not just left to right. But to answer your question, a tripod will always be your more stable option. And at an air show you probably won’t be moving a lot because you would have to go quite far to affect your perspective so there’s no point in using a monopod if your are going to be stationary.
Depends what you mean by clear. If you're talking about image sharpness, frame rate doesn't really affect that. But if your goal is to have a more vivid look instead of cinematic, you need to edit and export a 60fps sequence. And your footage has to be either 60 or 120fps.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I’m filming a touch rugby game next week, will try both thank you for the video :) - will put my ZV-E1 and 70-300 Tamron to good use.
Hate to sound dumb, I usually shoot 60frames 1/125 shutter and I slow the footage down to 40% in Premier for slow mo. If I double the shutter to 250, can I still slow it down to 40% or is there a new formula I'd have to figure out for slow mo?
When over cranking your shutter speed, your footage will actually look much better in slow motion. In full speed is where it looks kind of jittery depending on how high you go with the shutter speed.
Thank you for the video. I’m curious what you think is the highest ideal shutter speed and still look good when shooting 30p 4k. Maybe 120? I think I have 70 mb resolution at 4K
There’s no recipe per say. What looks good or bad to me might be different for you. But personally I wouldn’t overcrank much if I was filming at 30fps. 1/120 would be the absolute maximum I would go and even that sounds scary to me. The lack of motion blur looks much worst at normal speed than in slow motion so at 30fps there’s not much of an upside to this technique.
In this video I was because, just like you, my camera didn't allow high frame rates in 4K. But since then I bought a camera that allows me to shoot in 4K/120.
shutter speed option is not present on my gh5, so frustrating on my piano footage!!!! you don't actually show how to get the shutter speed on the video settings in your videos!!
Shutter speed is at a different spot on every camera and I don’t use Panasonic cameras so I don’t know where it is on yours. But it definitely exists. A simple Google search should help you find it pretty quick.
Really? I used to use a GH5s and it's definitely there. If the GH5 menu's the same, go to the Movie M menu and scroll to SS/Gain Operation. Choose Angle/ISO for shutter angle, or SEC/ISO for shutter speed. Best off using shutter angle for video though. Then in manual video mode, you control the shutter angle/speed using the top right rear scroll wheel - at least that's how I have mine set up. You may need to assign shutter speed/angle to one of the cam controls.
@@LoganD Manual mode is the way to go for any sport but even more so for hockey because of the ice reflections. You can't expect a camera to understand and expose that properly.
By cranking up the shutter speed, you’re removing motion blur. So at full speed the lack of motion blur looks much more unnatural then in slow motion. The slower the footage is played the less motion blur you need.
Sports as far as I know even on TV has been overcranked to 90 degree or even 45 degree shutter angle for many many years, its not a new thing, its been there for years - I remember my early days in film school being taught this and seeing it in many early youtube videos. You can even go far back to the days of TV before cable and satellite and see examples of that. The 180 degree rule is from cinema to give that choppy blurry look and its not how the eye sees in real life - Your eyes will see something more differently - The reason why we still have the 180 degree rule for film is purely aesthetical - nothing to do with it being realistic, because it isn't realistic.
I’m shooting my first football game tomorrow with a canon Sl3 I got the sigma 70-200mm and the canon 16-35mm hopefully I’ll get some nice shots like the ones in this video 💪🏾
I guess to each its own, but over cranking feels unsettling to watch for a longer period of time. It's okay if you want to give a sudden stressful action scene shot, but not continuously throughout the whole game.
@@brianh3730 it's similar to under cranking, it may be sharp for still motion, but feels like line skipping. Just doesn't feel natural, lot more stressful shot.
Great video! I personally shoot all my “normal” videos in 90 degrees and 45 degree for action and sport. I don’t like the 180 degrees rule, to much motion blur. And for slow motion clip, 180 degrees is a desastre. Who want to see slow motion clips blurry? I think people have to forget this 180 degree rule, the people perception is changing
First of all, your comment is a bit weird considering that this video is specifically about NOT using the 180 shutter speed rule. But either way, when filming sports with the intention of editing hype reels that include speed ramping, you have to film everything at a high frame rate because there's no way to predict what's going to happen and if you'll want to slow it down in post or not.
Well this didn't age well at lest when it came to background blur in sports lol the NFL has thankfully stopped doing this when someone scores a TD. I always thought it looked unnatural and stupid honestly because the damn camera operators can never keep the player in focus making it look blurry and way worse than a traditional broadcast camera. When it isn't a movie set that everything can be controlled to the T it doesn't work that well. Even watching this video and not being able to keep the player with the ball in focus 1005 of the time is a no go for me. Not sure what's up with kids these days thinking the main subject needs to be a hair sharper and everything behind a subject needs to be blurry to be better. We're trying to watch sports, not Titanic.
Thanks to Peter Sarellas for teaching this old dog some new tricks.
For sports it makes sense to have less motion blur.
The 180 rule comes from cinematic filming days with rotating shutters and is meant for the cinematic look.
best part of this video is the willingness to learn. instead of shutting down an idea simply because it’s against how you’ve been doing it, you took the time to test it and make the change when you realized you actually liked it. icing on the cake is you actually sharing with us. W’s all across the board.
Wow, thank you so much for such great feedback!
@@BeyondTheGame_E absolutely. i watch yours and peter’s videos because im taking my R8 and 70-200 2.8 to my first football game this weekend and so i’ve been testing all of both of your guys’s advice and seeing what i like.
so seeing you test stuff out inspires me even more to do research from other creators, and i’ve found a bunch of guys like you and peter with dope ideas, and I’m stealing every single one 🤣 🥷🏽
thanks to your wife that she was kicking your ass to make this UA-cam channel. absolutely helpful for me in many reasons. I am a long time professional filmmaker making commercials or image films with no effort but now I am filming sports at a university here in germany and its so nice to have this tipps for this niche of videography. thanks though and keep going!
Thanks for the great feedback, it’s truly appreciated.
I film a lot of motocross and when I film I’m usually running at 120fps and 1/400-1/800 love it.
Cool to see a fellow motocrosser here ! I do a lot of motocross, mountain biking, and cycling content (plus actually do those sports as well. I'll try the 1/400 shutter on my next video. Have a big cycling event to film this weekend.
@@duffyridesany update?
Sony a7siii 400shutter 4k120fps
Shooting my first game tonight! You earned my follow. Excited to learn! Peter is the first UA-camr I came across so this is wild!!!
Welcome to the channel 👊🏽
Awesome breakdown E! When people ask me to go into detail on this in the future I’ll definitely be referring them here.
Thanks man! It wouldn’t have happened without you.
I'm about to shoot my first full football (soccer) match tomorrow, and I just wanted to say thank you for the info and the very clear demo to show the differences! I filmed training sessions in the buildup to this match to test out my settings, and the problems of keeping the 180 shutter were pretty clear (especially since I export photos from the videos as well). I'm glad I found this right before the big game 😄
Thank you again, this really helps a ton! 🤜🏽🤛🏽
Happy to help! Thanks for your support 👊🏽
Finally!! When someone is saying to me that Im wrong because of not using the 180-rule I will send them your link :-D
3:26 now that’s how you set a screen! 😂
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Thanks made my first hype video with the help of a lot of your videos! Turned out better than expected!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
That’s awesome 👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽
Awesome vid! Really helpful here E! P.S. That guy got nailed @ 3.25!!
Thanks! And yeah he never saw it coming 😂
Lmao I didn’t even take in that screen but he got destroyed 😂
Just the video I was looking for! Great comparison footage too that helped as well. Great channel and very helpful.
Thank you!
Thanks for this video. I was just reviewing some footage I shot in yesterday at a soccer game, and I was going to use some of your hype reel techniques. I found that the footage, especially when cropped in became to blurry especially when you want to slow everything down to actually look good. So then I was like ... hmmm maybe I should shoot with less motion blur. Did a search for "what shutter degree angle sports video" and your awesome video came up. I hadn't heard the term overcranking, so nice to have some vocab to describe it. Today I'll be back at the pitch and give overcranking a shot. Fortunately I'm shooting mid day so I should have plenty of light to keep the iso down. Thanks again for the great content. I really love your hype reel videos. Would love to see some more edit breakdowns.
Thanks for this great comment. And yes, there are more editing videos coming soon.
Great content dude! I've been following you for a couple weeks now and I've learned a ton of great stuff. Soon I will be able to have awesome footage even using my smartphone's camera. Thx for sharing the knowledge.
Thanks for the great feedback!
I’ve always overcranked for sports (240), as long as the light is good. Only downside is in sports like baseball, you can “loose the ball”
Thanks to you, it took me one day to figure out how to avoid blur in moving objects :) 180* rule doesn't match to fast moving objects combined with fast moving drone. Thank you for this video.
Glad I could help. There’s plenty more where that came from!
something its good to look at some of this video on youtube thanks bro
If you set the high shutter speed shooting with high frame rate like 50fps and playback the same at 50 fps, it will look better for sure. But if the final export was out at 25 fps (check at stat for nerds) like I'm seeing on youtube right now (1080p) It looks harsh on the eyes, sharp image every frame on low frame rate like 24-25 fps don't go along well. that's why they shoot it with motion blur, made it more pleasing to the eyes.
Fair point 👍🏽
Thanks for the video and info👌, also, I that Andrew Gaze in the basketball video( grey haired guy-coach)? Looks like him.
Definitely try this technique with my mountain biking videos.
Yes it is Andrew Gaze. His son is also on the team.
What about in an outdoor stadium setting at night with decent lighting on the feild but around the outside is pretty dark ? High school type stadium.
It’s the same concept.
I always overcranck my sport footage. It also makes post stabilizing better
Thank you for this!
I’m glad I found you
Nice tips man 🤘
Generally I think people don't care. I think us as videographers CareMore.
95% of the time go with the 180 rule. If I want that fast paced shot I trun it up. We are creators, there are no rules..🎥🔥
You’re not wrong.
NBL1 is elite!
Heaps of amateur sports filmographers need to watch this
GOOOOOD explanaition.... thnx, ? how about shuterangle versus shutterspeed. I can do both.. Sony Fx30
Result is the same. The only difference is that with angle, it will automatically adapt to your frame rate instead of you having to change the shutter speed manually each time you adjust the frame rate.
@@BeyondTheGame_E THNX 4 confirming my thouhgts about this! In the end what do you want to come first : Shutterspeed F value or ISO - Light is the factor of choice.....
@@Video_Karel_Apeldoorn-d9p my priority is always to expose my shot properly at the lowest ISO possible.
@@BeyondTheGame_E yep less noise!
God activity I will continue to stay connected
3:25 LMAOOOOOOOO
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Nice video! Thank you!
I still prefer the 180 degree rule. Overcranking and frame rates of 60+ in full speed will likely end up being the future, but for me they just don't look right. An exception would probably be overcranking gritty things like UFC or boxing, I think for those it would actually be pretty good.
Fair call.
I'm currently investigating this topic as I'm competing in fencing. When I'm knocked out, I use my downtime to video my teammates for analysis purposes as well as having their bouts immortalised. As each division is 3 mins, I'm looking at filming 4k 120fps at 1/250 or 1/500 shutter speed
Have you had a chance to look at the results? Which shutter speed do you prefer?
What is thr best for a7siii? Sports and outdoor
There’s no such thing as the best shutter speed for a sport or a camera. Go with what you feel looks the best based on the info from this video and your own preferences.
Ok Im going to test this weekend@@BeyondTheGame_E
I love you man
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muchas gracias amorsh
Will try this out ✌🏼 which mic do you used in this video please?
Depends if you’re talking about the audio recorded during the game or the audio recorded at my office when I talk to the camera.
I've just discovered your channel and I almost watched all the videos lol, thanks for sharing your tricks. Greetings from Argentina
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Thanks mate. Great advice.
Appreciated 😊
That was really interesting!
Glad you think so 😊
Doesn't the zoom ring sound in the microphone when you use the zoom ring of Tamron 28-75?
The Tamron 28-75mm zoom ring is completely silent.
good video and comparison
Thank you 😊
This video made me subscribe
Thank you 😊
Question for you, this week I picked up the zve10 on your recommendation and then a used A7iii because I am torn on wanting a full frame. Also bought a Sony 18-105 G which is a crop sensor lens. Sending back that lens with the idea to buy a full frame to use on both cameras while I decide which body to keep. I want to be incognito shooting hoops from the stands and behind the backstop for baseball for my HS player. What IBIS lens would you recommend? I saw your sports lens recommendation video for tamron but no IBIS on those…….awesome videos btw, thank you for sharing all the tips!
Thank you for the feedback. Filming from that far you’ll need a 70-200mm. The Sony f2.8 and f4 both have image stabilization.
What shutter speed do you recommend for Iphone 13 Pro and FilmicPro app, filming at 60-fps FullHD (using ND filter), should I follow the 180 degree rule and use 1/120 shutter speed or should I
over-crank the shutter speed like 1/480 or what do you recommend? Trying to film some soccer actions for my son and post them on social media (youtube, instagram)?
I'm editing them on DaVinci Resolve but I don't know it the final edited movie should be delivered at 60fps for youtube/insta or at 30fps?
In theory the fact that it’s a phone shouldn’t make any difference. You can crank the shutter speed to achieve that sharper look or not if you prefer a more natural one. But in saying that, I’ve never actually filmed sports with a phone so this is not a proven theory, just an assumption.
thank you for this
My pleasure 😊
lol I went researching over cranking after watching one of Peter’s videos.
Great tutorial thanks
Thank you!
@@BeyondTheGame_E always welcome
It's funny you made a video on this. I shoot stills and do short slow motion clips of dogs sprinting and jumping logs etc. When I use S&q mode, I find the slo mo footage looks better if it's a fair bit higher than the 240 fps 180° degree rule. It ends up super sharp but still smooth compared to the motion blur and slo mo. Hmmm
Yeah that's usually the case but it's a fine line though. If you go too far then it starts looking jittery. Not so much in S&Q or if slowed down afterwards, more so when you play the footage at normal speed.
@@BeyondTheGame_E oh ye deffo. Watching your vids has made me think... I may be better off shootimg at 60fps for the smooth and life like look. Just due to the specific nature of what I do whilst also keep cranking up shutter on slo mo clips.
Great channel
@@themarksmanABP Sounds like a good plan! and thank you for the kind words 🙏🏽
hi there. how to prevent the video from flickering when we set the shutterspeed higher than 100 or above?
First of all, you have to make sure you are filming in the right electrical cycle for the country that you’re in (NTSC/PAL). But if you still have flickering, the only thing you can do is to slow down your shutter speed or use proper studio lights instead of normal lights. Otherwise there are plugins that you can buy to remove the flicker in post but I don’t know them.
@@BeyondTheGame_E i see. thanksss for the sharing. this helps so much 😄
What’s a good settings for video and what’s a good in setting for pictures using 24 -70 mm f4 and I’m using a canon 90 D your feedback would be very helpful. Thank you.
For sports photography you need your shutter speed to be at least 1/800 even 1/1000 for faster sports. For sports videography it's pretty much all explained in the video already.
@@BeyondTheGame_E THANK YOU 💯💯💯
What did you use for audio in this video? ShotgunMIC?
Are you talking about when I'm talking to the camera? If so, I use an XLR shotgun mic.
Question would this technique work for example I shoot High School Football with the lighting isn't that good what techniques you would use for shooting video at night if the lighting wasn't that great?
It's really hard for me to know without being there to look at your screen while the lights are on. My advice is to test it on a few shots pre-game and look at the results on your computer later.
Great upload 👌In your opinion, would this overcranking method be suitable for birds in flight or fast action animal behaviour, personally I think it should but you have first hand knowledge. Your input would be appreciated. Phil🇬🇧
The concept is the same. The birds will look much sharper but the lack of motion blur might make the movements look a bit jittery. You should just test various shutter speeds and see which look you prefer.
Really excellent video. I like the way you explain things. The question I have is what setting do you use for the deliverable for sports videos- 24p, 30p. 60p, or 120P. Thanks!
I’m in Australia so I mostly deliver in 25fps. So in 🇺🇸 the equivalent would be 24 or 30.
in my case i shot at 100p at 1/200 which is 180 but only if i slow it down, it’s great for iso 12,800 of a7siii but it’s still overexposed, so i’m happy to stay at 1/400
What about focus settings? Mine pulses badly
Here are my autofocus settings ua-cam.com/video/Ui0dfVWkxDU/v-deo.html
Helps a ton!
Old post, I know, but wondering, do you ever try to shoot "non action" (coach talking to the players during timeout) guys just starting to get out on the court, etc. at the slower 180 degree shutter? Or do you shoot it all at the higher shutter speed?
Does it make a noticeable difference in your experience?
I shoot everything at the same shutter speed and it doesn't really make any difference to be honest.
if I shoot 60 fps should I set the shutter to like 300 ? I think saw tat Peter does 320 , I have an FX# so it candle anything I throw at it , cheers
Yes 1/320 works. There's no perfect recipe though so just try it and see how you like it.
how about flickering light if you shoot indoor? shutter speed is high
When you have a very fast shutter speed, you might see some banding because the shutter speed can't sync with the refresh rate of the lights. There's nothing you can do about it other than slow down your shutter speed. But if you see flicker, that might be because you're using the wrong frequency (NTSC vs PAL). If you don't know what that is, just watch this video ua-cam.com/video/Da-bS7a35zM/v-deo.html
@@BeyondTheGame_E thank you new subcriber here.
Hi, I found your channel now and I am really impressed with the quality of your footage. I signed up and will now get all your videos back. I make football videos in Italy, I resume the matches with commentary and then I edit the highlights on UA-cam (amateur football). Right now I'm confused after so many years about the settings to use. Over the years with the Sony a6500 (lens 16-55 2.8) I film the last games at 100fps 1/200 and ISO 3200 (otherwise it would be too dark). In addition to some annoying noise there is also a not beautiful crop and the quality on the sonya6500 loses some. So a week ago I went back to using 50fps with 1/100 but thanks to this video… I think I'll go back to 1/200. I also do replays on goals or in main actions. Do you recommend that I also try 1/300 or higher? Thanks for your attention!
The faster your shutter speed is, the darker your image gets. Which I assume you know and that's why you went back to filming at 50fps and 1/100 shutter speed. So yes, a faster shutter speed might look cool, especially for your slowmo content, but if you have to push the ISO so high that your image becomes very noisy, it might not be worth it.
I have a Sony A74, for 60fps and 120fps what should my shutter speed be ? I record basketball games
The camera model doesn’t matter. It’s the same concept for any camera. If you want a more natural look just double your frame rate. But if you want a sharper look, crank it up.
@@BeyondTheGame_E i was recording in 60fps with a shutter speed 1/160 but i might lower it to 1/125 to see how i like it
@@SidelinePlugs yeah that's the way to go if you want a natural motion blur. The difference won't be massive though. 1/125 being the base, you would need to push it to at least 1/250 to notice a big change in sharpness.
@@BeyondTheGame_E what lens do you recommend Tamron 28-75 or 28-200 ? I want something that's good at recording close up and seeing the opposite side of the court.
@@SidelinePlugs Here's a video I made on this exact topic ua-cam.com/video/omGdWeu0LLg/v-deo.html
Revisiting this video, I'm still on the 80D with kit lens lol Today I will be filming a high school championship at a big stadium from the bleachers hopefully I get past security. I wasn't able to get credentials. I'll be over cranking 60fps with 1/120+ hopefully 1/250+ with 4.0-5.6 f/stop and ISO probably 3200 - 6400+
Good luck with your shoot, hope you get some nice sharp clips!
beyond the game i have a question. i have a aviation channel and i film air shows which could be harder than sports videos. i would like to know from you should i use a tripod with a monitor or a monopod. what do you think cause with your sports your just left to right while im looking up and down
We have to move up and down in sports too. People move towards and away from the camera all the time so we adjust in all directions, not just left to right. But to answer your question, a tripod will always be your more stable option. And at an air show you probably won’t be moving a lot because you would have to go quite far to affect your perspective so there’s no point in using a monopod if your are going to be stationary.
Hello, Would you advise me to shoot a football match in 60fps or 120fps to get the most clear image with my Nikon Z6II? Many Thanks!
Depends what you mean by clear. If you're talking about image sharpness, frame rate doesn't really affect that. But if your goal is to have a more vivid look instead of cinematic, you need to edit and export a 60fps sequence. And your footage has to be either 60 or 120fps.
1/250 is enough to freeze motion, is there any reason to go above that?
To freeze it even more and give it an overall sharper look.
@@BeyondTheGame_E I’m filming a touch rugby game next week, will try both thank you for the video :) - will put my ZV-E1 and 70-300 Tamron to good use.
Hate to sound dumb, I usually shoot 60frames 1/125 shutter and I slow the footage down to 40% in Premier for slow mo. If I double the shutter to 250, can I still slow it down to 40% or is there a new formula I'd have to figure out for slow mo?
When over cranking your shutter speed, your footage will actually look much better in slow motion. In full speed is where it looks kind of jittery depending on how high you go with the shutter speed.
@@BeyondTheGame_E gotcha. So can I still slow it down to the 40% I normally do?
@@GreaterWorksGallery yes
@@BeyondTheGame_E I appreciate you for taking time to answer mine and everyone else’s comments.
@@GreaterWorksGallery My pleasure!
Thank you for the video. I’m curious what you think is the highest ideal shutter speed and still look good when shooting 30p 4k. Maybe 120? I think I have 70 mb resolution at 4K
There’s no recipe per say. What looks good or bad to me might be different for you. But personally I wouldn’t overcrank much if I was filming at 30fps. 1/120 would be the absolute maximum I would go and even that sounds scary to me. The lack of motion blur looks much worst at normal speed than in slow motion so at 30fps there’s not much of an upside to this technique.
Are you shooting in 1080p when doing slow motion? I have a Sony A7RIII and dont know if I should shoot 4K or 1080p
In this video I was because, just like you, my camera didn't allow high frame rates in 4K. But since then I bought a camera that allows me to shoot in 4K/120.
So if I want to combine 50 FPS footage look in post, with a 24 FPS cinematic footage of pregame etc, how is that best done within my editing project?
Create a 24fps timeline. You can then use your 50fps footage at normal speed or slow it down to 50% of the original speed.
shutter speed option is not present on my gh5, so frustrating on my piano footage!!!! you don't actually show how to get the shutter speed on the video settings in your videos!!
Shutter speed is at a different spot on every camera and I don’t use Panasonic cameras so I don’t know where it is on yours. But it definitely exists. A simple Google search should help you find it pretty quick.
Look for the variable frame rate option.
Really? I used to use a GH5s and it's definitely there. If the GH5 menu's the same, go to the Movie M menu and scroll to SS/Gain Operation. Choose Angle/ISO for shutter angle, or SEC/ISO for shutter speed. Best off using shutter angle for video though. Then in manual video mode, you control the shutter angle/speed using the top right rear scroll wheel - at least that's how I have mine set up. You may need to assign shutter speed/angle to one of the cam controls.
What camera did you use?
Un this particular video, I was shooting with a Canon EOS R.
I’m wondering if anyone has any recommendations of what video mode I should be in for recording sports primarily hockey
What do you mean exactly by video mode?
@@BeyondTheGame_E I mean like there’s aperture priority mode, shutter priority mode, manual mode
@@LoganD Manual mode is the way to go for any sport but even more so for hockey because of the ice reflections. You can't expect a camera to understand and expose that properly.
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Same here.
What lens do you use with your canon r?
In that particular case I mainly used a 50mm lens. But a 24-70mm or 24-105mm would have been ideal.
Are you coming to the FIBA worldcup?
Unfortunately I am not ☹️
what cam is he using in this video
Canon EOS R
@@BeyondTheGame_E is there a special lens. i want my basketball vids to look jus like that
@@mariiisirdez3489 Any lens with a wide aperture (F2.8) can do that look.
Have you guys noticed any differences at verying frame rates with over cranking SS?
By cranking up the shutter speed, you’re removing motion blur. So at full speed the lack of motion blur looks much more unnatural then in slow motion. The slower the footage is played the less motion blur you need.
flicker is the real problem though if Oh crank the shutter speed
True. It's important to look out for flicker or banding when pushing the shutter speed.
Which lense did you use to record that game?
Ouff it was a long time ago now so I'm not 100% sure but I think it was a 50mm F1.4 lens.
Sports as far as I know even on TV has been overcranked to 90 degree or even 45 degree shutter angle for many many years, its not a new thing, its been there for years - I remember my early days in film school being taught this and seeing it in many early youtube videos. You can even go far back to the days of TV before cable and satellite and see examples of that. The 180 degree rule is from cinema to give that choppy blurry look and its not how the eye sees in real life - Your eyes will see something more differently - The reason why we still have the 180 degree rule for film is purely aesthetical - nothing to do with it being realistic, because it isn't realistic.
There's a lot I disagree with in there but to each their own. 😊
Clemson’s video director told me they use 120fps with a shutter of 1/400 for social content.
I’m shooting my first football game tomorrow with a canon Sl3 I got the sigma 70-200mm and the canon 16-35mm hopefully I’ll get some nice shots like the ones in this video 💪🏾
Good luck 👍🏽 let me know how you go!
@@BeyondTheGame_E Welp it went ok the pics looked good on cam but once downloaded to my MacBook the pics look not as good 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
@@ICON1OF1 that happens, live and learn. The important thing is understanding what you did wrong so you can improve next time.
Do you shoot in 4k/60fps or 1080/60fps??
In this particular video I was shooting in 1080p/50fps. But now that I have a better camera, I shoot sports in 4K/100fps.
nice
Is it just me or the crank mode lose some contrast ?
I think I prefer the 180° rule.
I guess to each its own, but over cranking feels unsettling to watch for a longer period of time. It's okay if you want to give a sudden stressful action scene shot, but not continuously throughout the whole game.
What’s unsettling about it?
@@brianh3730 it's similar to under cranking, it may be sharp for still motion, but feels like line skipping. Just doesn't feel natural, lot more stressful shot.
Great video! I personally shoot all my “normal” videos in 90 degrees and 45 degree for action and sport. I don’t like the 180 degrees rule, to much motion blur. And for slow motion clip, 180 degrees is a desastre. Who want to see slow motion clips blurry? I think people have to forget this 180 degree rule, the people perception is changing
Nothing wrong with your approach, great way to develop your own unique style .
Why are you shooting at f2.0 and not a higher aperture? You'll have too much focus racking.
Did you not like the way it looked?
So you’re doing 25fps and doing a shutter speed of 400 ?
No on that day I was doing a few different tests but typically I shoot at 100fps and 1/400.
Rules are meant to be broken
Preach 🙌🏽
why would you shoot 50fps when you play it back in real time. the 180 shutter speed makes no sense that way.
First of all, your comment is a bit weird considering that this video is specifically about NOT using the 180 shutter speed rule. But either way, when filming sports with the intention of editing hype reels that include speed ramping, you have to film everything at a high frame rate because there's no way to predict what's going to happen and if you'll want to slow it down in post or not.
I’d like to see this technique but in real time! 24 fps
Well this didn't age well at lest when it came to background blur in sports lol the NFL has thankfully stopped doing this when someone scores a TD. I always thought it looked unnatural and stupid honestly because the damn camera operators can never keep the player in focus making it look blurry and way worse than a traditional broadcast camera. When it isn't a movie set that everything can be controlled to the T it doesn't work that well. Even watching this video and not being able to keep the player with the ball in focus 1005 of the time is a no go for me. Not sure what's up with kids these days thinking the main subject needs to be a hair sharper and everything behind a subject needs to be blurry to be better. We're trying to watch sports, not Titanic.
go Bulldogs in AFL
Sorry, I don't like the new trendy look.
That’s alright. To each their own. 😊