Part 2: Timing The Engine - M62TU Timing Chain Guide Replacement DIY - E53 Rescue
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Big thanks to www.oembimmerparts.com for sponsoring this series.
The BMW M62TU engine and its predecessors suffer from a common failure: the timing chain guides. Typically this problem surfaces after 125k miles or so, but people have gone north of 150-175k. It all depends on luck of the draw and how regular your oil service was, etc.
Big thank you to www.oembimmerparts.com for sponsoring this video!
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00:00:00 Intro
00:00:22 Tools you will need
00:02:27 Remove the cam sensor rings
00:03:05 Remove the lower left guide
00:03:39 Losen the passenger side vanos
00:04:25 Installing the cam locking plates
00:08:00 Losen the passenger side vanos, attempt #2
00:08:33 Losen the driver side vanos
00:08:52 Remove the primary timing chain
00:09:32 Remove the lower right guide
00:10:10 oembimmerparts.com
00:10:56 Remove the upper timing chain guide
00:14:01 Remove secondary timing chain, sprocket, and vanos
00:16:33 Change secondary timing chain pads
00:18:22 Reinstall secondary chain, sprocket, and vanos
00:21:11 Install the upper timing chain guide
00:25:47 Install timing chain
00:27:33 Install lower right guide
00:28:52 Install lower left guide
00:31:32 Install chain tensioner jig
00:34:59 Clock vanos sprocket & verify
00:36:58 Torquing the vanos bolts
00:40:57 Clocking the cam sensor rings
00:44:55 Verifying the timing
00:47:00 Are the chinese timing tools accurate?
00:52:00 Let's use the German Auto Solutions kit now
00:54:16 Wrap-up
Parts for M62TU Timing Chain Guides Job
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11141436978 gasket set chain case
11141741127 upper right timing cover gasket
11141741128 upper left timing cover gasket
11311741236 chain tensioner guide
11421713597 o-ring
11311745406 guide rail
11311741777 deflection rail
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11311741746 timing chain
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11311747437 secondary timing chain qty 2
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11141275466 front crankshaft seal
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11120034104 valve cover gasket set - right
11120034105 valve cover gasket set - left
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11511731372 water pump seal
11531710408 thermostat seal
11531710055 water pipe seal qty 2
11531710048 water pipe seal qty 2
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11141435023 vanos solenoid gasket qty 2
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12317507996 water cooled alternator gasket
This video is for entertainment purposes only. 50sKid assumes no liability for any repairs or modifications performed by the viewer as a result of the information contained in this video. - Авто та транспорт
You really made the job look simple and gave me confidence to do my timing chain and tensioner
Lol how’s that going?
We're you able to complete the timing job by youself?
Beautifully done and filmed for the average guy possibly doing this at home. Tempted to follow it and do the job on my Range Rover, which uses the same engine.
12:50 The actual cause of the diesel clatter sound at the original idle video. Thanks for showing this. In 2017, I sadly traded my 2001 E39 162k miles for this reason - could not trust it to run 80 mph all day for road trips. I have mental scars from this trade that will never heal. 9/10 for the interior, exterior, brakes, tranny etc. If it had a 6 speed it would have been worth to keep.
Thanks for your videos, they should make this repair available for those w/o time to do all the research to do it correctly!! Too late for me :(
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I am loving your videos! They are giving me the confidence to change my own rails in my 2000 740i. 😃😃
Thank you for your video, it was great help to me on replacing the chains and guides and rebuilding both the VANOS on my 2002 E53, it had 127,000 miles on it and I could hear the rattle on start up from time to time. Great video, I used the German solutions kit and bought the socket for the solenoid. The three things that I did a bit differently was I had the cam covers powder coated gloss black, when I got it apart, and power washed the entire engine compartment before I began, and I also replaced the valley cover. When I took it apart some how I lost the metal pressure washer for the dipstick, and ended up not realizing it’s part it plays in keeping it from leaking. Got those parts at ECS along with most of my other parts, great prices and they are a one stop shopping source, the second thing is with the install of the drivers top timing cover, I found it easier to place a little sealer at the corners of the out part of the head, then tighten the bolts only enough to keep it and the gasket slightly up on the head. Then placed the cam cover on and torqued it to spec but not the three front bolts until after it squashed the cover and gasket into its proper position on the lower cover and the head, torqued the upper cover then the last three front bolts. That ensured a correct alignment and no oil leaks. Frankly it was labor intensive, yet it was way easier than than I thought and the car drives and sounds like new! The throttle response and smoothness are amazing. I also replaced the radiator, thermostat, alternator, all the coolant hoses, coolant reservoir, belts , air filter, spark plugs, oil and filter and coolant. With the cost of the tools to include a bmw OBD ll scanner, fan holder tool, German solutions tools, and parts I think the cost total was about $ 2,600.00. Not to bad, and the other thing I wanted to mention was about the Teflon seals are super easy to install if you place them in really hot tap water for about 5 mins, then quickly dry them off and they will go in really nice. They will cool down return to their original state and work just fine! I hope this will help anyone else that decides to do this job, it’s a very satisfying to have it back to normal! Thanks again, great video!!!
Thank you so much for the contant and more importantly the time it took to be able to film and edit everything. I definitely consider you to be one of the better content creators with regards to BMW type stuff. At least in my top five list LOL. Have a great day!
Good video. I use the "China kit" and have never had a problem with the coggs. I always put some Loctite on the cam bolts so that they don´t loosen up.
Another great video Jason, well done. Looking forward to the next one.
You certainly get what you pay for. Buy cheap, fit twice
Damn. Just Damn. I REALLY appreciate how easy it is to work on my E46 M54 engine after watching this video!
Excellent video! Allowed my son and me to make our way through this challenging task- your instruction and attention to detail were incredible and much appreciated. Thank you!!
How did it go? Do you have much experience working on cars? Also how long did it take you
Thank you so much for the detailed video. This will really help during my next project. I was just going to use the Chinese kit. I am so glad I came accross your video.
Glad you did!
Thank you Jason your the best.
Great Job all my respect to you .
Great explanation !!!
Excellent instructions, like it very much. Hope, your shop is near by and I can bring mine to you.
Perfect . Very good.
I remember I used a small mallet to place the blocks snug in there. I did not use them as leverage to loosen the bolts i used the wrench better. Cuz the blocks will go to the right and you’ll just waste another 5 min lining them up. Its a pain but with patience it can be done. Another issue I encountered now I remember was the tensioner block the thread was messed up i could not insert the bolt holder all the way. It went side ways like if it was cross threaded so I dealt like that lol i was able to get the tension at least. Got what I paid i guess lol. Great job 👏.
who didn't like this video must me so jealous .
Thanks for extremely easy to understand Video
One of things that I like to do with the chains/guides is to put them in a pan and pre-soak them in oil or assembly lube and then let them drain overnight. That way there is never a chance that they are rubbing against one another with something to help lubricate them. It makes assembly a tad messier, but it give me a little piece of mind. It is probably overkill, but then again I'm pretty good at overkill.
best video i have seen on this job which most people would not take on good job i have a mate that can do it qualified mechanic but i know so much about my range rover l322 v8 THANKS
Thx great video
I have also bought chinese stuff, for my diesel M57 X5; a injector puller tool.. well, It needed a bit modifying to work and not break the injector parts before using. I also recommend to buy always quality tools with as specify stuff as this seem to be. This guide is nice to watch even I dont have this V8 model X5 :)
I wish you were in Texas, my 2001 740i needs you!!😄
We need a video this detailed/awesome, but on the e46 platform, please consider it😬😁
Best timing chain video by far. Thanks! Did I miss it or did you forget to put those 3 trianglish gaskets that you took out after the chain rubberish rail whatever it's called?
Great video. Super helpful to us DIYers! Quick question- do you add any RTV to exposed portion of upper pan when reassembling lower timing cover? Old guides are intact and I wasn’t planning on removing the upper oil pan to regasket the whole thing. Thanks and keep up the great content!
First to make a real comment... awesome video and that's is a nice cute 1/4" nm torque wrench. Much to learn in this video and a lesson in not buying the cheap set
Also why is almost everything from 'china' shîtty. Is tolerance not in their vocabulary? I thinking I still have a way to feel about that gift they gave to world called Covid and would like to return it like most china stuff I end up getting...
Great video, I would have love hearing run thought, mine has a ticking noise that would wake up my neighbors.
German Auto Kit is the right way to go. 🇩🇪👍🏾
I found two kits in the German auto solutions which one is for beginners Thank you for your videos they are very useful
I wish I could get a dollar for every time you said German Auto solutions 🤣🤣🤣
What a excellent video!! Thumbs up. Made my work way easier. Only one question; you can undo the tensioner to mount the front covers and then the oil tensioner will take it over ?
Big PIMPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
27mm wrench at homedepot is $10, also if the have oil separator there is a small set screw (allen head) in the u-shaped guide you need to remove and add to new part; it presses to fitting to keep it tight. Some say to use red loctite on the sprocket bolt only. My bolts looked discolored like loctite had been used.
Oh yeah, and also, not all M10 (or whatever) bolts have the same torque spec. www.e38.org/bmw_torq.pdf . For instance, an M10x8.8 is 47nm, M10x10.9 is 66nm, and M10x12.9 is 79nm. Just something to keep in mind.
Edit: also, if you zip tie straight up over the edge of the vanos, you can leave it in until the timing covers are in place and then cut it and pull it out the top easily.
These are great videos 50s kid. Thanks for taking the time to make them. Quick question. If all I need to do is replace upper timing cover gaskets and valve cover gaskets, do I have to mess with the timing chain at all or can I simply R&R the valve covers, upper timing chain covers, solenoids, tensioner, gaskets etc. and reverse the process. I had my timing chain guides fairly recently and don't think I need to go all the way.
sorry for having 3 of these, lol. But, just watching and comment as I'm going through...it's like I'm live tweeting. Anyway, just a thought; if the GAS timing tensioner tool has a smaller diameter bolt that should be "turned twice", and the Chinese tool has a larger diameter, then you might be over-tightening the tensioner by doing it twice (maybe it should be one and half turns)? Not sure it matters that much, just a thought.
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Excellent instructions ! Why you marked that red tool ? why rotate the engine 720 degrees ? where did you start and how did you count? Thanks.
Strange thing about the U guide is that the new OEM one I received moves just like the old one and it's not broken.
Good video. Next time take off all the guides to install the chain. It’s much easier. Cheers
Unfortunately, the bottom diver side bolt on the U shaped guide can't be tightened down with the chain in place. So, it has to be in and torqued prior to putting the chain on.
great video, curious if you have come across yourself or someone you know not getting continuity when turning to stop on sprockets. I have rebuilt both with Besian systems kits.
When you are putting the timing chain that goes down to the crank sprocket. Do you have both vanos gears cocked all the way to the left or right?
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I couldn't crank it by hand. It just binds up. I putted everything at tdc like you did.
when you swapped the smaller chains, the ones in each bank, reuseing the same sprockets will be ok?
hello, greetings, it is possible to change the guides without having to release the cam?s?
Hello. I have replaced the vanos units for the second time now, I followed the same process and this time around, when i took the locking blocks off in the back of bank 1, the intake cam was NOT under preload and it didn’t rotate forward like last time, i can move the cam with the wrench back forth and lock it back in place with the blocks without any issues, there is zero tension on that cam. The position of the cam is way of from how they are here in the video. Please advise
Great video & review of the special timing tools. Thank you. Any reason you didn't rebuild the vanos units? Or am I missing something?
You know, I wasn't actually thinking about it because I remember reading that they are not as easily serviceable as the M54 ones and not as prone to failure, however your question caused me to look into it just now and I see that ecstuning offers a proprietary kit. Might consider this.
@@50sKid Surprised you don't know about Besian Systems for the VANOS rebuild. Everyone uses his stuff. Not easy but not difficult. His instructions are really good and well worth it.
@@davesvarczkopf I do know, that was my second stop after reading the ECS tuning document. ;-) They are just using the tools & kits made by beisan systems. I did buy them.
@53:50 where you able to confirm if that is possible or do you need that socket?
I ran into an issue where i do not get continuity through the pass sode vanos and when i torque it down and crank it over the pass side intake cam pops clockwise and does not come back into time after the 720 turn
I don't see an oil separator (the funnel like thing) in my Range Rover 2003. I don't see it in your car either. Was that a model specific thing ? Can you confirm you didn't have on behind your fixed guide on the driver side ?
great series the internal colour of the engine looks in great condition I stripped mine down and its looks completely brown / burnt also lots of build up of oil deposits in every nook could this be a bad oil pump ?
No just poor oil change intervals. What matters is how strong the compression is.
The plates are called reluctor wheels I believe.
Hey, did BMW made a better chain rail part? My freind said that the ones on M60 are the best to use on the M62
Help timing issue ..i found a green bushing on my oil pan.. I see one on the pass side but i dont see where the other one go at
Lot of part numbers on the website doesn't show match, y searched every part number you put on description and in some show results bot on another ones says no results to show, please update the parts needed thanks, also tried to look for the toming tool too couldn't find it
I wish you show how to set timing with the German auto tools
what do i do if when i take the lock blocks off the cars the passanger cam turns a tiny bit when i remove the blocks and idk how to get it to stay in line once then locks are off
hello i will have a question for you this throttle belongs to m54 or it belongs to m52tub28
Do you rent the german auto tool? Im here in socal. Thank you
Is there a reason you didnt change the vanos?
I got a question I just did the timing chain with help with the videos but now I can't even get it to turn over
I use that kind (or possibly the same) torqy all the time. Under 1 ugga dugga it's impossible to torque anything to spec just by feel :)
I didn't mean that I would torque it to exact spec by hand. Torque figures for smaller M6 and M8 bolts are really there to prevent you from over-torquing and snapping the head of the bolt off. I can avoid doing that when hand-torquing, is what I mean.
@@50sKid Ah, I see :)
Does that work when dealing with gaskets? Like when installing a water pump, I would assume that the torque should be as even even as possible all along the surface.
@@ProperRepair You can definitely learn to do "even" by hand. Trick is to not do too tight and cause leaks.
45:53 when you begin rotating the engine after timing it, why does the cam position impulse sensing wheel (no idea if its called that) not move through all of the turn?
Thats normal on this engine. Thats the vanos cycle
You need both.
my bank 2 intake cam does not pop over, is this an issue?
The gaskets that you took out at minute 13:41?
I just followed your procedure from start to finish and nowhere in the procedure did you mention that top dead center needs to line up with a notch. I put everything back together and thought I was in time but when I went to start it it didn’t start and realized after extensive research the engine was not timed
I did this and one side doesn’t align. I think it skipped one tooth or two. Can I still fix this please help
You need German for the to set the * * timing cog. The perfect time and you need the china tool for the intake camshaft. So you need both ...
You may cringe when I say this but I put my cam shafts back in without any special tools. If you notice @7:50" those blocks you are mentioning facing up, they are also square shaped. I noticed they line up perfectly when I took them out. I put a straight edge on them and the two of them make a perfect line. So as long as you don't move the crankshaft, and those blocks line up, you'll be good. Mine was a 1995 M60b30 (no vanos).
Hey, as long as you don't have codes, you got away with it lol
But the German auto solution vanos timing plate will not work 🙄 on the 4.4 v8 liter with pcv where that vanos tool would fit
Hello, If I should do this job while the engine is on a stand, will it possible to lock the crankshaft?
Yes, as long as the flywheel is still attached
Any part 3?
15:27 that's what she said
22nm for that big bolt probably because it's fastening plastic and they don't want the plastic to crack prematurely more than it already does.
50s kid I have a couple questions I really need your help. My 04 330i has a coolant leak and I’m not sure what exactly is leaking can you help me??
Sent you a message on Instagram thanks
dude, in your country do you have the 525tds. this engine is the worst for its fuel pump. i want to learn a lot about that please. why because that engine was found in range rovers P38 models. Omegas 2.5, bmw 3 series and 5 series. can you find one.???
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto nope.... 525TDS I know my cars.
First!!! Can’t wait for part 3!
GAS timing kit is out of stock. Anybody willing to rent theirs??
They're called trigger wheels
No wonder people hate M62TU engines...if they try to use those cheap kits. I cannot see why you can't just mark things up before removing anything. It should be accurate enough to use a straight edge across the upper timing covers to work out where the wheels should be when the cams are locked. Of course, if somebody has already been in there then the tools are necessary.
What state are you in? Maybe you can do mine for me.
I have a 1999 bmw 540i station wagon. I am in the middle of the same job you are doing and think you are awesome.
Is my car an E something? I see many references, E this number or that number. How can I learn that about my car? I do not see that information on the car.
I do not understand, this is elusive information that everyone knows but me.
Frustrating.
I will be glad if you help me
You can modify a torque wrench to be accurate in reverse direction very easily by reversing the mecanism. Look at this video:ua-cam.com/video/KQAsdfEgmeU/v-deo.html (sorry its in french, i didn't find equivalent in english. Thanks for the video.
I wrote you Facebook
damn long movie
I'll be honest. If your doing a how to video for something.
It probably shouldn't be your very first time doing this job. I saw a lot of issues that could spell trouble for someone following this.
I will never own a BMW and this is why. Specialty tools for most repairs is a crap shoot
Timing a engine is not a everyday job. If you would do this on other engines you most likely also need special tools.
Every car needs special tools for certain things, even a Honda civic
The earlier BMW to E46 really do not take "special" tools...
@@cylonred8902 if you look at the BMW repair manual there is all kinds of special tools for early BMWs
Not just bmw all cars needs special tool. To get the job done.
Second!!
I feel confident in doing this job in my car when the time comes. Thanks for all your time and effort.
Third!!! 😉
This guy bought the e46 with the worst engine ever lol just buy a new engine probably be cheaper 50sman
We needs another cold start of this.
why would you EVER use a TORQUE wrench to Loosen.....only torque to tighten