I think toms gonna fuck some shit up! hes a bit like greg but being tied to shiv he's always been on a leash in a way so it's like she doesn't get that apart from being her bitch boy, he's also restrained in other ways. think in the promo for next week he has documents so that and greg might come into play. at the end of the day tom wasn't lying about loving money above all else. but it will be sad if he fully fucks her over and then finds out she's pregnant.
Feel like he's going to divorce her and quit. Because only those who separate themselves from the company and Roys as much as possible get happy in the end. Like Connor.
I am still not sure if Tom is going to turn on Shiv. He should have known that he was always the odd-man out when he signed his prenup agreement. He was not in position to present a prenup to Shiv. Her money is not his money. I frankly thought that his allegiance was to Logan, who could do more for him than his wife who could barely navigate her own position in the company. But I must say, he and Shiv can slice and dice.
@@brookiev8960 still i think they should be thankful to tom, he was the final person with thier dad in his final moments and the way Tom handled and delivered the news of demise of thier father was very mature, Tom isn’t just power hungry but also has an hunger for validation, mainly getting it from the other siblings apart from the fact he is the husband of thier sisters
@@lindalincita I was talking about their accents, American english is not what they normally speak so it's not easy for them but they're such great actors that they still pull it off.
Shiv always loses when she is trying to out Machiavellian every one. She is destined to fail here. The question is, whether it will be by Tom or something else. This is def the King Lear route that Jeremy alluded to in his interviews
@@jmjambretz i’ve got 20 bucks mattson is playing her.. an she’ll get screwed. She doesn’t have romans instincts or kendall’s experience.. wish is why time & time again she gets played when she tries these hair brain schemes!
Him and Ebba arguing at the party was just too convenient. That's when I realized that the whole thing was definitely just a ruse. And it worked brilliantly.
Matthew is fantastic as Tom, I simply can't imagine anyone else aying his role. His American accent is very convincing, that you'd even forget that he's really British!
Finally, someone shows some insight into Tom! Bringing the depth of his character to Light! Thank you! All I want is for Tom to receive the loving. He’s the only one that can show love, encouragement and support. He deserves it in return!
Like many, I’ve been especially impressed with Matthew Macfadyen’s performance this season. This episode was incredible. The “clear the air” scene was one of the most intense I’ve ever seen on television & I’m hoping they’re both up for awards for it. And while I believe that he genuinely loves Shiv, I failed to understand his scorpion gift to her. I interpreted it as referring to the fable of the scorpion and the frog (being unable to change your nature no matter how much it would be in your interest to). It seemed unnecessarily confrontational coming as it did, during a period when they seemed to be working to repair their marriage. Anyone have any thoughts on why he did it at that moment?
I think cause in previous episodes they were being more and more honest with each other. Like how Tom said he likes wealth and really wants to be rich (similar to Willa). And I think honestly he gave this gift to kind of try to "own" the pain shes given him to try to make a joke of it. Possibly because they never talked it out after he betrayed her to Logan I think the gift was sort of him trying to open that conversation in the worst of ways and at the worst timing for Shiv 💔
Tom loves shiv until final episode of season 2 and doesn't interest in ceo that much and was happy at ATN. But in season 3 he realized that shiv will never respect me or loved me so he started to look out for himself. He started his plan by taking risk and want to impress logan and offer himself as a sacrifice. His love for shiv goes on fading as season progress. I don't think tom does care or love shiv anymore. The scorpion gift was a clear hint that I loved you and you kept me stinging every time. It was all his plan. He will either resign from ATN or will become killer. People who Still think tom loves shiv are fool. He still has sympathy for her being as logan roy ( that's the reason he agreed for divorce )
@@Upsallauniversity123 Maybe, but I believe he is with her both to further his ambitions and because he cares about her. Either way, Shiv should have just let him go to sleep 😵💫
He's not over the pain & trauma she's put him through. The gift is a sign of that. Basically letting her know I know what u are. They both will need intense marriage counseling to actually stay with each other.
Tom knows where the bodies are buried, remember he was supposed to get rid of the files, for the Cruise Ship Harrassment and deaths, maybe he kept some of the files. Tom's still got cards to play.
If Tom can somehow learn the India shortfall is just a ploy by Matsson and Elba, feed this info to Kendall, result is reverse Viking with Tom in Kendall’s good graces at ATN.
The ploy part of the comment makes no sense but I suspect that’s a translation issue. Perhaps it was intended to mean a hidden truth but wrong word used. Presuming it isn’t a ploy (though, would be interesting if it were), then Tom can turn on Shiv once and for all and tell Ken and Roman that she’s screwing them, Ken may keep Tom around. As Ken said, “I like you, Tom. Good luck.” But Ken will have some underlying allegiances to Shiv for the most part because he is more kind than Logan.
I hate when Shiv said "you don't deserve me" like she was such a prize.... No, Shiv, besides your money heritance your value as human being is lower than you think, as you are not capable of caring for others :/ very narcissistic
She's pregnant for a reason. I think when he finds out, he goes back to passive Tom, sticks with her, does his awkward "I'm dead inside" laughs, and ends the show continuing to be the broken person that he is now. There has to be a payoff for her being pregnant.
Yeah. I just find Tom so delicious! He is the one character that can show encouragement, love and support. I so want that for him in return. It’d be awesome if his hurt were healed by Shiv’s respect and love; but I’m not sure she has the capacity. Light!
He's falling out of grace really fast. And as someone from Scandinavia, seeing Lukas and Oskar...this is not how Scandinavians act, especially not Scandinavian elite.
@@nont18411 well for starters there's no class distinction in Scandinavia. It's a fairly socialist society and seeing one as "elite" is a bad thing. Those who have power and wealth usually behave like any other person, which is measured, friendly but at the same time distant, always smiling but never crossing the boundaries of being too friendly. Scandinavians also have this unique way of acting on the same level as you, whilst still propping themselves up as to being morally or otherwise superior. Although it's not really noticeable at first. Generally, Scandinavians would never mock you, or act like Oskar (maybe when drunk). Ebba comes closest to how social behaviour here works, short measured answers, shallow smile but not actually caring enough to engage in a friendly banter.
i love your analysis!! well done! my take: so when Logan dies, Tom specifically directed Greg to delete a file on his work computer and then to delete the recycle bin. i think it's because whatever is on that file could be EXTREMELY damaging to whomever the contents of the file can implicate. Its his trump card, and one he doesn't want to be exposed during an IT sweep before he is ready to use it. Tom is a survivor; the kind of guy who will always use any means necessary to secure himself, whether by flattery, deceit or threat. i anticipate that when the Roy kids try to fire Tom, he WILL use it. i think Tom is trying to AVOID using it because by nature he is nonconfrontational and he doesn't want to hurt Shiv. but he's going to be backed into a corner with no other choice. And that's clear because all the Roy kids - who now run the company - at the end of the episode universally say, "Fuck Tom" Honestly Tom and Greg have become the most interesting characters in the series.
That final shot of him staring at the ceiling makes me think hes going to do something. He has nothing, nobody likes him, no kendall, no roman, no shiv so i have a mind maybe a deal with mattson or kendall to save his ass?? I know that he asked greg to delete that file when logan died but somehow i think he has it saved somewhere else or greg once again probably copied it and might betray tom. It might end bad and good for him. I also have another theory that he might quit in the next episode just bc of the chaos on the preview for EP 8 😭 leaving but making sure to ask million so keep his mouth shut and maybe a letter for another job idk
@@e5141981 I agree, then if he kept any of those files on the Cruise ship Sexual Harrassments, and Deaths now would be the time to use them. Kendall was going to use those files to bring down Logan but didn't have the power to make it happen, and now Kendall doesn't have the power to stop Tom from using them so he'll have to deal.
How does he tell them exactly how he feels? Like Logan, they sign his paychecks. He is on their payroll until Shiv says he is not. No one steps to Tom but Shiv or Logan.
He was in love with Shiv, and he knew she doesn't respect him precisely because her model of man is his father Logan, she'll never love back a house husband. That's why Tom tried desperately to change his nature and become someone Shiv can admire (remember she even tells him 'you don't deserve me' ). Tom comes from nothing and many woman would be satisfied by the level of wealth he achieved and can provide, but not Shiv. So he wanted to be a killer like Logan to become a man Shiv could fall for. Is really sad that Shiv doesn't believe him when he screams he loves her :'( Edit: I still think Tom loved her and wanted to have a real marriage with her, I think he was quite happy with everything he achieved in life and be able to buy expensive watches. But then saw how Shiv was so mean to him: telling him she wanted an open relationship after the wedding, telling him he doesn't love him while s3x, and never guarantee he wouldn't end up in prison to cover his father..... So at some point, he realized she didn't care about him and at least he wanted to keep the things that cost him so much to earn, as he knew Logan was a powerful enemy and 'he always win'
Tom does not love her. The line delivery screams " believe me. I come from good intentions . I love you I did this all for love" that's a very strong manipulation tactic of his. Appearing sweet and empathic and self sacrificing and just full of love when he's in reality incredibly self centered and only cares about personal gain. He doesn't love her and shiv knows it, she's never trusted him because of her own issues but her fears were confirmed the day he betrayed her. Tom definitely plays the love card to convince himself he's better than her but really he isnt. He "loved" her and changed for her in hopes of earning her love, her trust, and power. Everything he did was an investment for love when he didn't actually truly love her. Toms my favorite though love him so much xoxo
@@shewantsmicco7750 "He is originally from Saint Paul, Minnesota, and mentions he "didn't come from money" while Shiv did. Tom describes his mother as a highly respected lawyer in the Twin Cities and a 'hard ass.' He is a graduate of Cornell University." >Lawyer mother who is established in her field > Went to expensive private Ivy League Suuuuuurrreeee he has "no wealth"
Tom poked the bear by giving it a scorpion as a gift. It may have been a ‘joke’ but it wasn’t a good idea & he paid for it BIG TIME! At this point, I no longer feel bad for him (well, a bit) cuz he too has been cruel, ruthless, and can’t love someone in a healthy way. They all are twisted people.
I have a feeling Matsson is playing Shiv. I wonder if the subscriber count in India was not a ploy and is not real. I think Tom will be the winner and victorious in this series…
I have been thinking the same thing. It is pretty odd that he so lightly told Shiv about the blood and that Ebba casully also told the brothers about India, it was very strange, but this show subverts expectations so I don't now, but love every minute of it:)
I thought he was playing her when he told her the blood story. But now that Roman heard the same it could be true. Generally, I feel it's a miss on Shiv's side. She was butthurt for not being a CEO as well and wanted to stick it to the brothers thus being played. Shows she cannot read people, like that situation with Rhea, when Rhea offered her a maybelive CEO position at Pierce and Shiv said yea while the offer from her dad to take over was pending. People say Logan didn't give her a chance, but the truth is she made tactical errors over and over and Rhea's read on her for not "being as smart as she thinks she is" may actually be true.
Yes, that's true, Roman found out about the blood on his own, but, maybe it's a tinfoil theory-but it could be a a decoy or a story put outhere for them to find out, I just can't fathom that he would so casually tell about the blood and Ebba just blurt out about India. But, like I said, maybe I am seeing more that there is. As fas as Shiv is concerned, I agree, she is like a Cersei of the show. She thinks she is smart, but, just like her brothers, she overestimates her potential. The showrunners said it is not going to be a "and they all lived happily ever after" kinda an ending and I love it, wouldn't want it any other way:)
Tom's always been broken. He stupidly believed that his admittance that money was his key attraction to Shiv and the whole family would strengthen his relationship with Shiv when all it did was remove the veil Shiv was using to believe she had a real marriage. I knew how this episode was going to go for him when he cockily put his feet on the desk in the last episode. He acted like his confession finally got him in wth Shiv (or any Roy as they all shut him out). He never thinks he has to prove his worth, just be liked and protected to advance. None of the people at the party would have thought Tom a clown if he hadn't been behaving like a clown from the second he took over ATN.
Tom still has the knowledge of the Cruise Ship files, the sexual Harassment, and Deaths, he can still come out of this a very rich man, which is all he wanted
I somewhat disagree that Tom's admittance that his attraction to Shiv was access to her world and her money was a stupid thing to do. I thought that his confessional was something that very few men are truly willing to admit when romancing a wealthy woman. To me, it was one of few honest lines conveyed in the series. Wealthy men have prenups and so do women. Tom just didn't sign, so I guess he fell in love with Shiv somewhere along the way and was willing to take his chances in spite of what his mother thought of prenup agreement. Shiv told Tom that she would follow him anywhere for love, but she has to believe that he loves her ---- she could not wrap her head around the emotion. There, IMO, is problem within their relationship.
It kinda showed that had self awareness and accepted who they both were though. Shiv is in denial and just like her brother. She wants to feel superior and like a saint, but she's not a good person.
its self awareness. He 's trying to give her some. "I love you but you kill me"...he's reminding her that she can hurt him with all her unyielding shivness...so you know be aware of that..and she does it anyways all. night but not only that she doesn't even realize it...she has no idea..image having a mother who is that emotionally blind....tom's words and the gift were on point.
I think tom still has something up his sleeve ...... he's backed into a corner and is about to be screwed i think he's gonna do something drastic out of desperation......
Tom knows about the Cruise ships and the sexual harrassments and deaths. Maybe he saved some of the information. Ken was going to use it to bring down Logan, but Kendall didn't have the stroke Logan had and he still don't.
After Episode 3 i thought there is nothing they can do to top what i felt ...this show is a Masterpiece, the writing might be the best of the last 20 years of TV
That was probably the best scene I have ever witnessed Tom & Shiv's argument was absolutely Brilliantly portrayed. This show has me confused, stunned, shocked and yet completely mesmorized I cant wait to see the next episode.
The folktale story of the Scorpion is a key to understanding this episode. Shiv I’ve always seen as the scorpion. Tom I love and now that she really destroyed him emotionally I’d like to see what he’s cooking up. That fight freed him.
If macfadyen could have given same screen time as jeremy and keiran and more pathos moments he will completely knock out every other actors on succession
Fantastic video. This episode reminds me of the statement… I follow you anywhere… Tom is Broken. I wonder how Gregg will treat Tom now. He doesn’t need him anymore. Tom is on the way out and Gregg is family ( you know like family)😂
I don’t understand anyone having empathy for Tom at this stage. Throughout the series he’s been nothing more than an insipid parasite. He’s not an innovator, or a playmaker, he just married well and looks nice in a suit (we’ve all met them). Also he regularly behaves appallingly towards anyone he perceives as inferior [which, to be fair, also describes most of the siblings, plus they have their unshakable sense of entitlement]. The show has been exceptional so far, but is clearly nearing the end of the creative runway. None of the key surviving characters is in actual jeopardy. However awful or morally repellent they may be, they’re all going to be permanently rich whatever the supposed outcome. So from here on in, I suspect it’s just going to be more Afternoon Ghoul Theatre and playground backstabbing 😐
I agree. Tom comes across as affable, but he too is twisted, power hungry, and selfish. And he lacks any skills to really run that company. How he thought he could, did Shiv just egg him on? Shiv knows he can’t, and can’t really hang with the powerful - he embarrasses himself (& Shiv), all the time. And he is mean to others cuz he had the power.
I think the best shiv/Tom moment wasn’t the balcony rant, but when he handed her the still-wrapped present with the scorpion inside. We see Shiv roll up her sleeve before opening it, she clearly thinks she’s getting a watch or wrist wear. And that look of absolute disappointment on her face getting a gift any normal person would appreciate. God it goes all the way to show how self-centered the Roy siblings all are, especially Shiv. It’s always so nice to see her backstabbing result in failure each time.
That any normal person would appreciate? Are people giving each other creepy dead animals encased in glass as a romantic gesture? She’s right to think it’s weird - unless she’s into scorpions it’s an incredibly tone deaf and off putting gift that shows how much Tom is looking forward to destroying her.
Here is a drinking game for the last 3 episodes of Succession. Every time one of the kids utters a complete, gramatically correct sentence that is over 4 words, you take a sip of whatever alcoholic drink you want. I predict that by the end of each episode, you will be sober as a judge.
Let’s not forget that Tom is quite the asshole and doesn’t care less about the peons below him. It is interesting that people actually feel sorry for him. All he wants is to be with Shiv in the inner circle and takes a ton of abuse by them.
Top marks to you for pointing this out! In the real world, this is a weapons grade toxic asshole, hiding in plain sight and people are buying into him because he looks nice in a suit and talks with a thinly veiled British accent. Or so I’m lead to believe…
would love it to this fight to be the breaking point for him to finally leave this family and company, go back to St Paul and live in piece. But we all know its not happening, he's coming for it
Tom is to Shiv what Greg is to Tom. It's not just to pass on the pain in their own lives but to test loyalty (from Greg) and love (from Tom). Ironically, the more they submit to it, the less respect they get. I think there's genuine love between Shiv and Tom, but the family business poisons it. The scorpion was an unfortunate gift. Since it comes up in the argument it evidently bothered Shiv. Was Tom being disingenuous when he said it meant nothing or was it a sly dig?
At this point, im surprised tom isnt aware of his own plot armour. Dude has survived so many career pitfalls its like he's bulletproof. I bet hes gonna get bequeathed some good shit at Logan's funeral
There is a moment in their fight when Tom brings up how shiv doesnt want to have a baby with him. You can see from her fascial expression that she considered telling him that she is pregnant. If she did, he wouldn’t have been so broken and his day may have been good. Yet…She couldn’t bring herself to say it. In that moment it was more important to sting him. Such a tragedy
Hmmm I didn't perceive that as a slight towards tom - if someone has just told you you're incapable of being a good mother, how can you then tell them "actually I'm pregnant". She would have felt totally shaken about her future, ashamed and humiliated in that moment. I don't think holding back the inflammation was to sting him, she was genuinely hurt I think
@@kmoreland3413 no no. The moment I am thinking of happened before he said she wouldn’t be a good mother. It was in the middle of their back and forth about him possibly going to prison.
@@BasicBro99 ahh ok ok - I'll rewatch the episode. It was the kind of episode where I'm sure you could pick up a lot of detail only on the second watch
@@kmoreland3413 absolutely. There is an interesting other detail that I missed in first watch. It occurred when Roman was confronting Connor about Oman. You can see matsson in the background with Ebba both of which were pretty cozy with each other. Which makes me wonder if Ebba is being honest about the India numbers or if this is some sort of game that her and Matsson are playing against Kendall and co.
@@Upsallauniversity123 he came in to her life when she was down and used it to cling to her. He has no dignity and will put up with anything just to be in that circle or rich people which he hopes to be one day. He back stabbed her and sided with her abusive and toxic father because he though that would help him meet his goal.
@@Yolduranduran he should betrayed his wife. She abused him mentally, asking for an open marriage on weeding night ,cheating before weeding, telling you aren't good enough for me. She belongs to street
Tom: *get a dorky present for shiv Shiv: And I took that personally. But real talk it was nerdy as shit what Tom got her but in Shivs world it was an attack.
I want to see Greg get his Grandfather's Board seat and in that twist, obtain power over all of them who dumped on him for years. If they don't pull on that grandfather board seat thread, that's a missed opportunity imo.
I think that there is something to your comment. I really do not think Logan would have kept Tom around unless he found him useful in some capacity. The logistics folder may contain something that Logan and Tom concocted to keep Waystar Royco in the family and to obtain Pierce.
@@annkey4091 - I think Logan found Tom useful in much the same way as he valued his executive toilet. Occasionally essential. Particularly when no one else was present. And yet every encounter resulted in a lingering and rather distasteful smell.
I dunno if that’s a “decline” but I get it. It might even be the opposite. I really do think either Greg or Roman get the crown 👑 (possibly some move by Greg + Tom)
For some reason, I feel like Tom is going to get that "Lets give up all our money and become hicks" fantasy come true, but Shiv's going to lose everything involuntarily. I feel like by the end, Shiv might be with Tom for power, and Tom might like being the Scorpion.
@@EB-tr2ly You clearly don't know where most of the Roys wealth is. Most of their wealth is in the company itself. If they somehow get forced to give up their share for free, they'll be only lowly millionaires.
Come on Nicole, you can do better than that. He’s an insipid parasite with no moral character - the writers have gone out of their way to make this clear over four seasons of this show. I’m struggling to imagine what it is you’re “rooting” for about this pathetic excuse for a man. [Testing this as a theory - I’m sure that some people will push back]
Lotta negative commentary about Tom's gift to Shiv. Granted, Tom's a tad socially awkward and rarely on the inside of a joke or reading a room But Shiv has always belittled him for being too soft and sensitive...and helped to make him the joke, even at a party at his own home. I think he thought it would be a cool inside joke.....his recognition of her full scorpion persona, and his love and admiration....that he was fully ready to be on board with her as a cutthroat power couple. Then, unbeknownst to him, she's all pregnant and hormonal, and takes it the wrong way. NOT HIS FAULT for continuing to try to appease her. Just bad timing, and i'm glad. Shiv doesn't deserve Tom's kind of devotion.
It's a recurring theme of the show that none of these people can really change. Because they are both psychologically damaged, I can easily see them back together. This dance of drama is.... Wait for it... like a Scorpion in the sand. Anyone remember if Tom signed a ore nup? I'm guesding he did because otherwise he could have cut, run and get spousal support if he divorced Shiv.
Triplex manhattan penthouse filled with the nosiest, most powerhungry, information grabbing at all costs ppl and Tom and Shiv get to have a nice private convo on the balcony (which was tiny btw ) and no one was on it and when they went back inside no one was staring at them or even pretended to notice then turn around to not look they noticed. Just nothing? I found that a bit odd.
Tom is an hypocrite, he says he is just there to serve, but he doesn't want serve Shiv, he demands loyalty but he betrayed her also. Shiv is not a victim but at least she is not acting as one. Tom is acting like a victim and people seems to agree, but he is a piece of trash.
His big mistake was the STUPID gift. BIG mistake. 😮 Prior to that he back stabbed his wife and shot himself in the foot by siding with Logan. Hes made stupid mistskes. Hes not very smart.
Apparently they had spent much of the previous night engaged in boisterous sexual activity, and yet… he failed to notice she was [20 weeks] pregnant. And she, during all of that, failed to mention it to him either. I’m not sensing they really have much of an authentic connection. In fact I could imagine both of them texting or scrolling their socials during their aforementioned horizontal exertions…
@@EasyTiger.01343 She wasn't 20 weeks pregnant. When the physician called her and gave her test results, she stated that she would see her again at her 20 week appt. Watch that episode again.
Tom should be satisfied to just be a house husband, instead he is always grubbing for a position. Always a pick me; always a “what’s in it for me.” I also, like Shiv, don’t like him.
yeah, but you forget something very important. He was in love with Shiv, and he knew she doesn't respect him precisely because her model of man is his father Logan, she'll never love back a house husband. That's why Tom tried desperately to change his nature and be someone Shiv can admire (remember she even tells him 'you don't deserve me' ). Tom comes from nothing and many woman would be satisfied by the level of wealth he achieved and can provide, but not Shiv. So he wanted to be a killer like Logan to become a man Shiv could fall for.
Sure, Shiv will never love him because he gave her love (and will thus never be like Logan) but I guess what I’m saying is that he says he does everything for her, except what she says she actually wants him to do, which is give up his ambition and just support hers. Tom acts like a flunkie but still has great ambition (as we see through his interactions with Greg). I think she’s right to withhold affection for him cause he’s so fake.
@@constitutionalcarrot3720 remember Tom did what she wanted once, give up his ambition and just support hers, but in return, Shiv told him she doesn't love him (while they were in bed) and didn't care if he went to jail to cover his dad. Tom was really supportive by then and Shiv didn't appreciate it, she was mean.... So, Tom realized that wasn't the way and turn against her with the hope she would respect him more
When u step back and you really think about this, it’s all so utterly darn stupid. Tia all about insecurity of losing power because they can’t be on top. Great show but let’s face it, it’s the American Dream of ultimate power and material. Fun to watch but is it really this great a show or are we all brainwashed into thinking it is. Boring power struggle with an underlying material need
Do you think Tom is going to turn on Shiv? Comment your thoughts below!
Betraying Shiv is so nice Tom will do it twice
I think toms gonna fuck some shit up! hes a bit like greg but being tied to shiv he's always been on a leash in a way so it's like she doesn't get that apart from being her bitch boy, he's also restrained in other ways. think in the promo for next week he has documents so that and greg might come into play. at the end of the day tom wasn't lying about loving money above all else. but it will be sad if he fully fucks her over and then finds out she's pregnant.
Feel like he's going to divorce her and quit. Because only those who separate themselves from the company and Roys as much as possible get happy in the end. Like Connor.
I am still not sure if Tom is going to turn on Shiv. He should have known that he was always the odd-man out when he signed his prenup agreement. He was not in position to present a prenup to Shiv. Her money is not his money. I frankly thought that his allegiance was to Logan, who could do more for him than his wife who could barely navigate her own position in the company. But I must say, he and Shiv can slice and dice.
@@MyaB1986 Connor maybe happy, but poor Willa. She went with the best offer.
Kendal appreciating Shiv for hosting the party and not acknowledging tom also hurted him
Oh good one didn't think of that
You don't have to have -ed on hurt. "Hurt" is also the past-tense of hurt.
I immediately said "And Tom!!"
They are upset he betrayed them too.
@@brookiev8960 still i think they should be thankful to tom, he was the final person with thier dad in his final moments and the way Tom handled and delivered the news of demise of thier father was very mature, Tom isn’t just power hungry but also has an hunger for validation, mainly getting it from the other siblings apart from the fact he is the husband of thier sisters
So the British guy and the Australian girl pull off an incredibly memorable scene. It was so epic, outstanding performances by both actors!!
What does nationality has to do with anything?
@@lindalincita Nationality is a crucial part of a person Identity.
@@lindalincita Accents transcended: amazing actors.
I was like " no way these two aren't American!" Such incredible acting and accent work or whatever.
@@lindalincita I was talking about their accents, American english is not what they normally speak so it's not easy for them but they're such great actors that they still pull it off.
This scene with Tom and Shiv arguing, was an awarding winning performance. Absolutely riveting!
It most definitely was!
Had to pause multiple times. Was soooo tense.
I also wasn't sure if they were gonna reveal the party guests could hear them.
As good as Tony & Carmela going at each other in the 'White Caps' episode of The Sopranos.
@@EmptyGlass99 literally came here to say this exact thing.
About time Tom spoke his mind outside of bullying cousin Greg!
Alot of us think that Matson is DEFINITELY being disingenuous with Shiv.
100% - the Ebba arc is very interesting and also the numbers! It's all one big game to him!
Shiv always loses when she is trying to out Machiavellian every one. She is destined to fail here. The question is, whether it will be by Tom or something else. This is def the King Lear route that Jeremy alluded to in his interviews
@@jmjambretz i’ve got 20 bucks mattson is playing her.. an she’ll get screwed. She doesn’t have romans instincts or kendall’s experience.. wish is why time & time again she gets played when she tries these hair brain schemes!
Him and Ebba arguing at the party was just too convenient. That's when I realized that the whole thing was definitely just a ruse. And it worked brilliantly.
@@therambler3713 So do you think they are setting them up with the (two) India's thing?
Shiv just indirectly created the killer Logan was always looking for…but in Tom vs herself or any of the heirs.
Ooooft this is a very sexy profecy
Matthew is fantastic as Tom, I simply can't imagine anyone else aying his role. His American accent is very convincing, that you'd even forget that he's really British!
So true!
What about Shiv? She is an Aussie
British? "Dey turk hour jobs!"
Finally, someone shows some insight into Tom! Bringing the depth of his character to Light! Thank you! All I want is for Tom to receive the loving. He’s the only one that can show love, encouragement and support. He deserves it in return!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Oh yes really loving person, like when he was mocking with Greg while firing dozens of people
@@pitaariel1920 That’s true too… not a good side. A multidimensional character.
@@pitaariel1920 that's business baby
Like many, I’ve been especially impressed with Matthew Macfadyen’s performance this season. This episode was incredible. The “clear the air” scene was one of the most intense I’ve ever seen on television & I’m hoping they’re both up for awards for it. And while I believe that he genuinely loves Shiv, I failed to understand his scorpion gift to her. I interpreted it as referring to the fable of the scorpion and the frog (being unable to change your nature no matter how much it would be in your interest to). It seemed unnecessarily confrontational coming as it did, during a period when they seemed to be working to repair their marriage. Anyone have any thoughts on why he did it at that moment?
I think cause in previous episodes they were being more and more honest with each other. Like how Tom said he likes wealth and really wants to be rich (similar to Willa). And I think honestly he gave this gift to kind of try to "own" the pain shes given him to try to make a joke of it. Possibly because they never talked it out after he betrayed her to Logan I think the gift was sort of him trying to open that conversation in the worst of ways and at the worst timing for Shiv 💔
Tom loves shiv until final episode of season 2 and doesn't interest in ceo that much and was happy at ATN. But in season 3 he realized that shiv will never respect me or loved me so he started to look out for himself. He started his plan by taking risk and want to impress logan and offer himself as a sacrifice. His love for shiv goes on fading as season progress. I don't think tom does care or love shiv anymore. The scorpion gift was a clear hint that I loved you and you kept me stinging every time. It was all his plan. He will either resign from ATN or will become killer. People who Still think tom loves shiv are fool. He still has sympathy for her being as logan roy ( that's the reason he agreed for divorce )
@@Upsallauniversity123 Maybe, but I believe he is with her both to further his ambitions and because he cares about her. Either way, Shiv should have just let him go to sleep 😵💫
@@munchiekins never mess with person who really needs some sleep 😂😂
He's not over the pain & trauma she's put him through. The gift is a sign of that. Basically letting her know I know what u are. They both will need intense marriage counseling to actually stay with each other.
This might’ve just been Tom’s villain episode😈
Tom knows where the bodies are buried, remember he was supposed to get rid of the files, for the Cruise Ship Harrassment and deaths, maybe he kept some of the files. Tom's still got cards to play.
no that is upcoming and the word you are looking for is hero
If Tom can somehow learn the India shortfall is just a ploy by Matsson and Elba, feed this info to Kendall, result is reverse Viking with Tom in Kendall’s good graces at ATN.
india shortfall is a ploy? how?
How would Matsson benefit from that ploy? He only loses
Or he could just tell the brothers what she’s been up to
Your comment makes no sense. Do it over.
The ploy part of the comment makes no sense but I suspect that’s a translation issue. Perhaps it was intended to mean a hidden truth but wrong word used. Presuming it isn’t a ploy (though, would be interesting if it were), then Tom can turn on Shiv once and for all and tell Ken and Roman that she’s screwing them, Ken may keep Tom around. As Ken said, “I like you, Tom. Good luck.” But Ken will have some underlying allegiances to Shiv for the most part because he is more kind than Logan.
Gift giving? That was a HUGE red flag for a coming fight. He basically made sure Shiv would be hurt and reactive
I hate when Shiv said "you don't deserve me" like she was such a prize.... No, Shiv, besides your money heritance your value as human being is lower than you think, as you are not capable of caring for others :/ very narcissistic
Yeah she's pretty garbage outside of a good lay
She's pregnant for a reason. I think when he finds out, he goes back to passive Tom, sticks with her, does his awkward "I'm dead inside" laughs, and ends the show continuing to be the broken person that he is now. There has to be a payoff for her being pregnant.
Yeah. I just find Tom so delicious! He is the one character that can show encouragement, love and support. I so want that for him in return. It’d be awesome if his hurt were healed by Shiv’s respect and love; but I’m not sure she has the capacity. Light!
@@LesleyMarie 100% on all of this.
Or it can go incredibly left … no pun intended
@@atlntcostv7293 i’d bet half my next check it goes ALL the way left for tom.. i don’t see a way that him an shiv don’t fumble this.
She is not going to have the child, not after what Tom said to her...
I think Tom steals this entire show.
Mathew Macfadyen is a hell of an actor
Yeah he’s been incredible, especially in this season!
Matsson needs a video analysis for his own. Dude stole every scene he’s in.
True he gave a performance in this episode!
He's falling out of grace really fast. And as someone from Scandinavia, seeing Lukas and Oskar...this is not how Scandinavians act, especially not Scandinavian elite.
@@MyaB1986 How do Scandinavian elites really act?
@@MyaB1986 I certainly hope not. So cringey.
@@nont18411 well for starters there's no class distinction in Scandinavia. It's a fairly socialist society and seeing one as "elite" is a bad thing. Those who have power and wealth usually behave like any other person, which is measured, friendly but at the same time distant, always smiling but never crossing the boundaries of being too friendly. Scandinavians also have this unique way of acting on the same level as you, whilst still propping themselves up as to being morally or otherwise superior. Although it's not really noticeable at first.
Generally, Scandinavians would never mock you, or act like Oskar (maybe when drunk). Ebba comes closest to how social behaviour here works, short measured answers, shallow smile but not actually caring enough to engage in a friendly banter.
i love your analysis!! well done! my take: so when Logan dies, Tom specifically directed Greg to delete a file on his work computer and then to delete the recycle bin. i think it's because whatever is on that file could be EXTREMELY damaging to whomever the contents of the file can implicate. Its his trump card, and one he doesn't want to be exposed during an IT sweep before he is ready to use it. Tom is a survivor; the kind of guy who will always use any means necessary to secure himself, whether by flattery, deceit or threat. i anticipate that when the Roy kids try to fire Tom, he WILL use it. i think Tom is trying to AVOID using it because by nature he is nonconfrontational and he doesn't want to hurt Shiv. but he's going to be backed into a corner with no other choice. And that's clear because all the Roy kids - who now run the company - at the end of the episode universally say, "Fuck Tom" Honestly Tom and Greg have become the most interesting characters in the series.
I think that mean streak in Tom, that flares up and then suddenly disappears will finally be unleashed in the next episodes.
Mean Streak
yup out of all of them he is the 1 with the “killa instinct” but he is not consistent with it, dudes really passive at times.
For a minute a I thought Tom would jump from the balcony, when Shiv leaves...
That final shot of him staring at the ceiling makes me think hes going to do something. He has nothing, nobody likes him, no kendall, no roman, no shiv so i have a mind maybe a deal with mattson or kendall to save his ass?? I know that he asked greg to delete that file when logan died but somehow i think he has it saved somewhere else or greg once again probably copied it and might betray tom. It might end bad and good for him.
I also have another theory that he might quit in the next episode just bc of the chaos on the preview for EP 8 😭 leaving but making sure to ask million so keep his mouth shut and maybe a letter for another job idk
Do u think he will survive this season?? He will be absent at funeral 😢
Tom's got nothing to lose now, he should tell them all exactly what he thinks, and don't take any shit off any of them.
If he does he will be liked more, people generally dislike Tom because of his brown nosing.
@@e5141981 I agree, then if he kept any of those files on the Cruise ship Sexual Harrassments, and Deaths now would be the time to use them. Kendall was going to use those files to bring down Logan but didn't have the power to make it happen, and now Kendall doesn't have the power to stop Tom from using them so he'll have to deal.
How does he tell them exactly how he feels? Like Logan, they sign his paychecks. He is on their payroll until Shiv says he is not. No one steps to Tom but Shiv or Logan.
Tbf his "gift" was a glass scorpion. That would throw any woman into a loop.
He was in love with Shiv, and he knew she doesn't respect him precisely because her model of man is his father Logan, she'll never love back a house husband. That's why Tom tried desperately to change his nature and become someone Shiv can admire (remember she even tells him 'you don't deserve me' ). Tom comes from nothing and many woman would be satisfied by the level of wealth he achieved and can provide, but not Shiv. So he wanted to be a killer like Logan to become a man Shiv could fall for. Is really sad that Shiv doesn't believe him when he screams he loves her :'(
Edit:
I still think Tom loved her and wanted to have a real marriage with her, I think he was quite happy with everything he achieved in life and be able to buy expensive watches. But then saw how Shiv was so mean to him: telling him she wanted an open relationship after the wedding, telling him he doesn't love him while s3x, and never guarantee he wouldn't end up in prison to cover his father..... So at some point, he realized she didn't care about him and at least he wanted to keep the things that cost him so much to earn, as he knew Logan was a powerful enemy and 'he always win'
I mean…it’s hard to believe that someone loves you if that person had already betrayed you before.
"Tom comes from nothing" His mother is a lawyer. He came from upper middle class background.
Tom does not love her. The line delivery screams " believe me. I come from good intentions . I love you I did this all for love" that's a very strong manipulation tactic of his. Appearing sweet and empathic and self sacrificing and just full of love when he's in reality incredibly self centered and only cares about personal gain. He doesn't love her and shiv knows it, she's never trusted him because of her own issues but her fears were confirmed the day he betrayed her. Tom definitely plays the love card to convince himself he's better than her but really he isnt. He "loved" her and changed for her in hopes of earning her love, her trust, and power. Everything he did was an investment for love when he didn't actually truly love her. Toms my favorite though love him so much xoxo
Tom doesn’t have “wealth” tho lmao
@@shewantsmicco7750 "He is originally from Saint Paul, Minnesota, and mentions he "didn't come from money" while Shiv did. Tom describes his mother as a highly respected lawyer in the Twin Cities and a 'hard ass.' He is a graduate of Cornell University."
>Lawyer mother who is established in her field
> Went to expensive private Ivy League
Suuuuuurrreeee he has "no wealth"
Tom poked the bear by giving it a scorpion as a gift. It may have been a ‘joke’ but it wasn’t a good idea & he paid for it BIG TIME! At this point, I no longer feel bad for him (well, a bit) cuz he too has been cruel, ruthless, and can’t love someone in a healthy way. They all are twisted people.
I have a feeling Matsson is playing Shiv. I wonder if the subscriber count in India was not a ploy and is not real. I think Tom will be the winner and victorious in this series…
I’m surprised I haven’t seen this theory anywhere else. It’s a definite possibility
tom stans are weird. remain delusional
I have been thinking the same thing. It is pretty odd that he so lightly told Shiv about the blood and that Ebba casully also told the brothers about India, it was very strange, but this show subverts expectations so I don't now, but love every minute of it:)
I thought he was playing her when he told her the blood story. But now that Roman heard the same it could be true. Generally, I feel it's a miss on Shiv's side. She was butthurt for not being a CEO as well and wanted to stick it to the brothers thus being played. Shows she cannot read people, like that situation with Rhea, when Rhea offered her a maybelive CEO position at Pierce and Shiv said yea while the offer from her dad to take over was pending. People say Logan didn't give her a chance, but the truth is she made tactical errors over and over and Rhea's read on her for not "being as smart as she thinks she is" may actually be true.
Yes, that's true, Roman found out about the blood on his own, but, maybe it's a tinfoil theory-but it could be a a decoy or a story put outhere for them to find out, I just can't fathom that he would so casually tell about the blood and Ebba just blurt out about India. But, like I said, maybe I am seeing more that there is. As fas as Shiv is concerned, I agree, she is like a Cersei of the show. She thinks she is smart, but, just like her brothers, she overestimates her potential. The showrunners said it is not going to be a "and they all lived happily ever after" kinda an ending and I love it, wouldn't want it any other way:)
Tom's about to Break Bad and go full Heisenberg!! AND I'M SO HERE FOR THIS.
This is really an excellent take among a series of really great analysis of a brilliant show. Thank you for all your hard work on this
Tom's always been broken. He stupidly believed that his admittance that money was his key attraction to Shiv and the whole family would strengthen his relationship with Shiv when all it did was remove the veil Shiv was using to believe she had a real marriage. I knew how this episode was going to go for him when he cockily put his feet on the desk in the last episode. He acted like his confession finally got him in wth Shiv (or any Roy as they all shut him out). He never thinks he has to prove his worth, just be liked and protected to advance.
None of the people at the party would have thought Tom a clown if he hadn't been behaving like a clown from the second he took over ATN.
Tom still has the knowledge of the Cruise Ship files, the sexual Harassment, and Deaths, he can still come out of this a very rich man, which is all he wanted
I somewhat disagree that Tom's admittance that his attraction to Shiv was access to her world and her money was a stupid thing to do. I thought that his confessional was something that very few men are truly willing to admit when romancing a wealthy woman. To me, it was one of few honest lines conveyed in the series. Wealthy men have prenups and so do women. Tom just didn't sign, so I guess he fell in love with Shiv somewhere along the way and was willing to take his chances in spite of what his mother thought of prenup agreement. Shiv told Tom that she would follow him anywhere for love, but she has to believe that he loves her ---- she could not wrap her head around the emotion. There, IMO, is problem within their relationship.
Tom will share with Kendall about Shiv & Mattson to keep his position and Kendall will be the New Logan
These last 3 episodes are going to be amazing. I’m still not ready.
tbh him giving shiv the scorpion was a stupid move lmao
Looool!
It kinda showed that had self awareness and accepted who they both were though. Shiv is in denial and just like her brother. She wants to feel superior and like a saint, but she's not a good person.
@@MENACE-km6bd that's a good point
its self awareness. He 's trying to give her some. "I love you but you kill me"...he's reminding her that she can hurt him with all her unyielding shivness...so you know be aware of that..and she does it anyways all. night but not only that she doesn't even realize it...she has no idea..image having a mother who is that emotionally blind....tom's words and the gift were on point.
The last scene in the episode with Tom laying in bed IMO is his awaking
Definitely felt like that didn't it!
I think tom still has something up his sleeve ...... he's backed into a corner and is about to be screwed i think he's gonna do something drastic out of desperation......
Most definitely! He feels as though he's got nothing more to lose seeing as though his name is in the mud. So it could get dark!
Tom knows about the Cruise ships and the sexual harrassments and deaths. Maybe he saved some of the information. Ken was going to use it to bring down Logan, but Kendall didn't have the stroke Logan had and he still don't.
Tom has some big time Lane Pryce from Mad Men vibes going on and that makes me really nervous.
After Episode 3 i thought there is nothing they can do to top what i felt ...this show is a Masterpiece, the writing might be the best of the last 20 years of TV
We need a predictions episode for what Tom will do next. This next episode looks like it may be the one to blow up Waystar.
Maybe Tom kept some of the Files from the Cruise Ship Sexual Harrassments, and Deaths.
That was probably the best scene I have ever witnessed Tom & Shiv's argument was absolutely Brilliantly portrayed. This show has me confused, stunned, shocked and yet completely mesmorized I cant wait to see the next episode.
The folktale story of the Scorpion is a key to understanding this episode. Shiv I’ve always seen as the scorpion. Tom I love and now that she really destroyed him emotionally I’d like to see what he’s cooking up. That fight freed him.
If macfadyen could have given same screen time as jeremy and keiran and more pathos moments he will completely knock out every other actors on succession
absolutely, such a good actors, he acts with his eyes!!!
He’s a cast member. There’s a plot.
Fantastic video.
This episode reminds me of the statement… I follow you anywhere…
Tom is Broken.
I wonder how Gregg will treat Tom now. He doesn’t need him anymore. Tom is on the way out and Gregg is family ( you know like family)😂
That's true - I feel that dynamic will be great to see crumble
Greg is barely tolerated by the family, he is a useful tool.
@@BrainPilot It already has! Poor Tom.He has helped Shiv and Greg as much as he could. Neither of them back him up when he needs it
I don’t understand anyone having empathy for Tom at this stage. Throughout the series he’s been nothing more than an insipid parasite.
He’s not an innovator, or a playmaker, he just married well and looks nice in a suit (we’ve all met them). Also he regularly behaves appallingly towards anyone he perceives as inferior [which, to be fair, also describes most of the siblings, plus they have their unshakable sense of entitlement].
The show has been exceptional so far, but is clearly nearing the end of the creative runway.
None of the key surviving characters is in actual jeopardy. However awful or morally repellent they may be, they’re all going to be permanently rich whatever the supposed outcome.
So from here on in, I suspect it’s just going to be more Afternoon Ghoul Theatre and playground backstabbing 😐
I agree. Tom comes across as affable, but he too is twisted, power hungry, and selfish. And he lacks any skills to really run that company. How he thought he could, did Shiv just egg him on? Shiv knows he can’t, and can’t really hang with the powerful - he embarrasses himself (& Shiv), all the time. And he is mean to others cuz he had the power.
Ebba is always under Lukas. It feels too easy like they collaborated it before they came to the party in order to play the Roys.
Tom and Shiv never learn, do they?
They most certainly don't!
I think the best shiv/Tom moment wasn’t the balcony rant, but when he handed her the still-wrapped present with the scorpion inside. We see Shiv roll up her sleeve before opening it, she clearly thinks she’s getting a watch or wrist wear. And that look of absolute disappointment on her face getting a gift any normal person would appreciate. God it goes all the way to show how self-centered the Roy siblings all are, especially Shiv. It’s always so nice to see her backstabbing result in failure each time.
That's a totally fair point! Definite underrated moment!
That any normal person would appreciate? Are people giving each other creepy dead animals encased in glass as a romantic gesture? She’s right to think it’s weird - unless she’s into scorpions it’s an incredibly tone deaf and off putting gift that shows how much Tom is looking forward to destroying her.
Here is a drinking game for the last 3 episodes of Succession. Every time one of the kids utters a complete, gramatically correct sentence that is over 4 words, you take a sip of whatever alcoholic drink you want. I predict that by the end of each episode, you will be sober as a judge.
Let’s not forget that Tom is quite the asshole and doesn’t care less about the peons below him. It is interesting that people actually feel sorry for him. All he wants is to be with Shiv in the inner circle and takes a ton of abuse by them.
Top marks to you for pointing this out! In the real world, this is a weapons grade toxic asshole, hiding in plain sight and people are buying into him because he looks nice in a suit and talks with a thinly veiled British accent. Or so I’m lead to believe…
This was Tom’s joker episode
would love it to this fight to be the breaking point for him to finally leave this family and company, go back to St Paul and live in piece.
But we all know its not happening, he's coming for it
True! It’s most likely going to get dark and it’s going to be so interesting!
What an awesome video . 👌👏
I thought Tom was not on the kill list...why is he being axed?
He was only off the list because Sheth was on his side. Pre-balcony.
Tom is to Shiv what Greg is to Tom. It's not just to pass on the pain in their own lives but to test loyalty (from Greg) and love (from Tom). Ironically, the more they submit to it, the less respect they get. I think there's genuine love between Shiv and Tom, but the family business poisons it. The scorpion was an unfortunate gift. Since it comes up in the argument it evidently bothered Shiv. Was Tom being disingenuous when he said it meant nothing or was it a sly dig?
Sadly, Tom is doomed...
Maybe not. Hopefully not.
Having a breakdown was the best thing to happen to Tom, it's time for Tom's revenge...
It definitely is! It’s going to be so good seeing how he changes!
Do this guy use some kind of ai to do the voice on these videos?
Been wondering this, too.
Team Tom all the way.
At this point, im surprised tom isnt aware of his own plot armour. Dude has survived so many career pitfalls its like he's bulletproof. I bet hes gonna get bequeathed some good shit at Logan's funeral
There is a moment in their fight when Tom brings up how shiv doesnt want to have a baby with him. You can see from her fascial expression that she considered telling him that she is pregnant. If she did, he wouldn’t have been so broken and his day may have been good. Yet…She couldn’t bring herself to say it. In that moment it was more important to sting him. Such a tragedy
Hmmm I didn't perceive that as a slight towards tom - if someone has just told you you're incapable of being a good mother, how can you then tell them "actually I'm pregnant". She would have felt totally shaken about her future, ashamed and humiliated in that moment. I don't think holding back the inflammation was to sting him, she was genuinely hurt I think
@@kmoreland3413 no no. The moment I am thinking of happened before he said she wouldn’t be a good mother. It was in the middle of their back and forth about him possibly going to prison.
@@BasicBro99 ahh ok ok - I'll rewatch the episode. It was the kind of episode where I'm sure you could pick up a lot of detail only on the second watch
@@kmoreland3413 absolutely. There is an interesting other detail that I missed in first watch.
It occurred when Roman was confronting Connor about Oman. You can see matsson in the background with Ebba both of which were pretty cozy with each other. Which makes me wonder if Ebba is being honest about the India numbers or if this is some sort of game that her and Matsson are playing against Kendall and co.
Shiv might be worse, but he's bad too. The scorpion gift was a totally passive-aggressive move. They're both just awful people.
I dont believe Tom loves Shiv. She is a means to an end.
You are wrong!! Till season 2 he loved shiv but starting from season 3 his loves for shiv keeps fading away as season progress
@@Upsallauniversity123 he came in to her life when she was down and used it to cling to her. He has no dignity and will put up with anything just to be in that circle or rich people which he hopes to be one day. He back stabbed her and sided with her abusive and toxic father because he though that would help him meet his goal.
@@Yolduranduran he should betrayed his wife. She abused him mentally, asking for an open marriage on weeding night ,cheating before weeding, telling you aren't good enough for me. She belongs to street
@@Upsallauniversity123 but not his love of money!
@@Yolduranduran who doesn't love money ?? Everyone loves money 💰
Off topic question but is that your real voice? There is just something about it that makes it sound rather computer generated
and also Irish
Tom: *get a dorky present for shiv
Shiv: And I took that personally.
But real talk it was nerdy as shit what Tom got her but in Shivs world it was an attack.
Unless I was born under that zodiac sign, I might have taken offense at the scorpion paperweight gift. It certainly needed an explantation.
@@annkey4091 that’s Aries/Sagittarius vibes
Tom is going to rat out shiv to the brothers... Probably to Roman
Feels like that could well happen!
The more the show goes on the more I like Tom and realize that he’s probably the most normal one
I want to see Greg get his Grandfather's Board seat and in that twist, obtain power over all of them who dumped on him for years. If they don't pull on that grandfather board seat thread, that's a missed opportunity imo.
Tom is the ideal heir to waystar. Obvious how much Logan liked him
I think that there is something to your comment. I really do not think Logan would have kept Tom around unless he found him useful in some capacity. The logistics folder may contain something that Logan and Tom concocted to keep Waystar Royco in the family and to obtain Pierce.
@@annkey4091 - I think Logan found Tom useful in much the same way as he valued his executive toilet.
Occasionally essential. Particularly when no one else was present. And yet every encounter resulted in a lingering and rather distasteful smell.
I dunno if that’s a “decline” but I get it. It might even be the opposite. I really do think either Greg or Roman get the crown 👑 (possibly some move by Greg + Tom)
Team Kendall over here but actually it's Tom outcome the one that generates me more expectation.
For some reason, I feel like Tom is going to get that "Lets give up all our money and become hicks" fantasy come true, but Shiv's going to lose everything involuntarily. I feel like by the end, Shiv might be with Tom for power, and Tom might like being the Scorpion.
I think Shiv is too much of a narcissist for this. She'd never rely on anyone but herself.
@@victtayl Yeah, maybe they'll just be with each other for love. That would be the most wholesome ending.
I find very difficult Shiv loses billions of money , even if she loses Royco she's still have billions on savings....
@@EB-tr2ly You clearly don't know where most of the Roys wealth is.
Most of their wealth is in the company itself. If they somehow get forced to give up their share for free, they'll be only lowly millionaires.
I am rooting for Tom!
I found myself on his side in that argument!
Come on Nicole, you can do better than that. He’s an insipid parasite with no moral character - the writers have gone out of their way to make this clear over four seasons of this show.
I’m struggling to imagine what it is you’re “rooting” for about this pathetic excuse for a man.
[Testing this as a theory - I’m sure that some people will push back]
Lotta negative commentary about Tom's gift to Shiv. Granted, Tom's a tad socially awkward and rarely on the inside of a joke or reading a room But Shiv has always belittled him for being too soft and sensitive...and helped to make him the joke, even at a party at his own home. I think he thought it would be a cool inside joke.....his recognition of her full scorpion persona, and his love and admiration....that he was fully ready to be on board with her as a cutthroat power couple. Then, unbeknownst to him, she's all pregnant and hormonal, and takes it the wrong way. NOT HIS FAULT for continuing to try to appease her. Just bad timing, and i'm glad. Shiv doesn't deserve Tom's kind of devotion.
It's a recurring theme of the show that none of these people can really change. Because they are both psychologically damaged, I can easily see them back together. This dance of drama is.... Wait for it... like a Scorpion in the sand. Anyone remember if Tom signed a ore nup? I'm guesding he did because otherwise he could have cut, run and get spousal support if he divorced Shiv.
They’re all irreparably broken.
I thought Tom was going to jump off when they were on the patio.
Triplex manhattan penthouse filled with the nosiest, most powerhungry, information grabbing at all costs ppl and Tom and Shiv get to have a nice private convo on the balcony (which was tiny btw ) and no one was on it and when they went back inside no one was staring at them or even pretended to notice then turn around to not look they noticed. Just nothing? I found that a bit odd.
Tom’s going scorched earth!
Greg will be the one who'll fire Tom.
That will be a sad moment for Tom!
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Tom is an hypocrite, he says he is just there to serve, but he doesn't want serve Shiv, he demands loyalty but he betrayed her also. Shiv is not a victim but at least she is not acting as one. Tom is acting like a victim and people seems to agree, but he is a piece of trash.
Wait until Greg finally has to fire Tom!
True! If that happens that feels like it’s gonna be big for the character!
His big mistake was the STUPID gift. BIG mistake. 😮 Prior to that he back stabbed his wife and shot himself in the foot by siding with Logan. Hes made stupid mistskes. Hes not very smart.
He s the scorpion when you think about it.
and he was tired :(
Probably the main reason!
I feel like Tom might do something crazy on Election Day.
The scorpion and the frog fable
Yes, very much seems like that!
@@BrainPilot in the she was still the scorpion! Even though she had her reasons. Maybe Tom was the only one who really knew her
Tom will either jump off the balcony or go super saiyan
Matson playing on Shiv's daddy issues? "That's my girl!" he said...
Loool
Tom is going to get the axe
He deserves everything that will happen to him.
Tom should've done better talking to Matson. The writers clowned him bad.
Ugh this show is so special
It really is!
Isn’t Shiv preggers? Will she tell him?
Apparently they had spent much of the previous night engaged in boisterous sexual activity, and yet… he failed to notice she was [20 weeks] pregnant. And she, during all of that, failed to mention it to him either.
I’m not sensing they really have much of an authentic connection.
In fact I could imagine both of them texting or scrolling their socials during their aforementioned horizontal exertions…
@@EasyTiger.01343 She wasn't 20 weeks pregnant. When the physician called her and gave her test results, she stated that she would see her again at her 20 week appt. Watch that episode again.
AND he was TIRED!
That’s the most important thing lol
Tom should be satisfied to just be a house husband, instead he is always grubbing for a position. Always a pick me; always a “what’s in it for me.” I also, like Shiv, don’t like him.
yeah, but you forget something very important. He was in love with Shiv, and he knew she doesn't respect him precisely because her model of man is his father Logan, she'll never love back a house husband. That's why Tom tried desperately to change his nature and be someone Shiv can admire (remember she even tells him 'you don't deserve me' ). Tom comes from nothing and many woman would be satisfied by the level of wealth he achieved and can provide, but not Shiv. So he wanted to be a killer like Logan to become a man Shiv could fall for.
Sure, Shiv will never love him because he gave her love (and will thus never be like Logan) but I guess what I’m saying is that he says he does everything for her, except what she says she actually wants him to do, which is give up his ambition and just support hers. Tom acts like a flunkie but still has great ambition (as we see through his interactions with Greg). I think she’s right to withhold affection for him cause he’s so fake.
@@constitutionalcarrot3720 remember Tom did what she wanted once, give up his ambition and just support hers, but in return, Shiv told him she doesn't love him (while they were in bed) and didn't care if he went to jail to cover his dad. Tom was really supportive by then and Shiv didn't appreciate it, she was mean.... So, Tom realized that wasn't the way and turn against her with the hope she would respect him more
youtube REALLY REALLY wanted me to watch this video....
>spoilers ahead
no fucking shit
Tom is the best Actor
He has been great this season!
Well... was not a decline...😊
Very true!
When u step back and you really think about this, it’s all so utterly darn stupid. Tia all about insecurity of losing power because they can’t be on top. Great show but let’s face it, it’s the American Dream of ultimate power and material.
Fun to watch but is it really this great a show or are we all brainwashed into thinking it is. Boring power struggle with an underlying material need
Maybe Shiv will terminate the pregnancy
You know that wasn't very nice Tom
Poor Tom