I’m a clinical psychologist who earned his doctorate at a university that attempted to integrate psychology and Christianity. For so many years of my life I tried to find ways around the horrible messages people were getting both from the Bible and from people who used the Bible to manipulate others. A few months ago at age 73 I had enough of my own hypocrisy and began to listen to atheist utube programs debunking everything that I had known but overlooked. I am so relieved to have walked away from believing the Bible is the word of God and inherent. Thank you for taking the time to be a skeptic. I am enjoying becoming a skeptic myself.
That's a great achievement after so many years. As a clinical psychologist you know people can change, no so much aspects of their personality but their behaviour, thoughts, beliefs and to some extent their emotional responses. You have shown this regarding even long-indoctrinated and practised thinking habits. Well done.
But I hope you are not grossly missing the mark. Because You said atheist debunking everything.... But it doesn't take an Athiest to debunk anything. It takes someone with common sense, logical reasoning, mathematical law & natural law. Athiests are a bad example because they are far off the mark. Because athiests are subtly saying that they are spiritually dead and there is no core consciousness, which is just as insane as believing in a fictional being that says you should dash babies against boulders. So, if you are jumping on the atheist band-wagon -- what you are essentially doing is jumping from one $#!T-Pit to another. Because there is an ultimate highest power creator -- and if I were you, or anybody reading this comment, I would suggest that you really be careful in what ideals & ideas you entangle yourself with.
I hear you. As a therapist also, i think its amazing how much pain is caused by religions, especially in the development of the self. For whatever reason I disliked the whole bullshit since i was 7. Keep in touch if you feel like it
[02:06] 1. Women should be silent [03:56] 2. No forgiveness without bloodshed [05:10] 3. Don’t save money; give up belongings [07:15] 4. Confusion over divine teachings is OK [08:55] 5. Predestination [12:07] 6. God endorses torture [15:15] 7. Punishment can be eternal [17:31] 8. Don’t defend yourself [20:24] 9. Slavery is acceptable [23:07] 10. Divorce = adultery [27:28] 11. Self-mutilation better than sinning [30:22] 12. Homosexuality is obscene [33:59] 13. Wives should be in subjection [35:59] 14. Jephthah was a hero [39:05] 15. God allows people to be deluded [40:01] 16. Thought crime is a thing [41:38] 17. Death for withholding money [43:47] 18. Death for disobeying parents [46:55] 19. Religion should break apart families [49:07] 20. Love can be compulsory
1) Eve decieved Adam, and lost the spiritual authority if you like 2)No forgivness without bloodshed is obvious when you think. Adam was killed by his own action, thats if adam is to live he shouldnt do that action. Its justice. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth. Thats the first two, you better read the bible in its right context and then make the critique
*PLEASE READ ALL* The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND. I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Vedic Sanatan Dharma ------------------------------------- * One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God * No heaven, hell, satan or original sin. * No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds * Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS * Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma. * No prophets, angels or messengers * No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls) * Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God * Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from. * God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation. * God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss * God doesnt do miracles * God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone. * Even God is bound by His own laws. That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form. Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS. GOD BLESS
@@dan9521 Thank you for asking my friend. It is a very simple thing to explain why evil or sin exists had it not been for the original sin. As I type now I am at work and will be going off in the next 6 hours. I will be explaining everything in detail with logical point to ponder upon as well. Catch up with you in a short while. God Bless
@@dan9521 My brother I had typed a reply but it is long and not going through so I am sending it to you in 2 parts. You can read them both 1 after the other. I hope that is ok with you and since i just touched on Christianity so far my other reply would be similar in nature but from the Vedic point of view. God bless and enjoy the read.
I maintain that poor reading comprehension is the best tool atheism has...lol...can these guys read?...they interpret Acts 5 to say that GOD killed Anais and Saphira!!..lol.....please go read Acts 5...and Patreon the little frail one some money. He needs a hot meal.
Let me correct myself, SIN is the best recruitment tool for atheism....The ONLY folks I personally know that left Christianity left because they began engaging in a behavior that was un-biblical. Not because they did some 3 year apologetics study ..basically either they shacked up with someone(un-biblical stuff) or they just wanted to live an intoxicated life(un-biblical)...oh sure afterwards they did a little google study to "disprove" christianity but in truth their ACTIONS and lifestyle choices were their primary motivation...I'd rather just say, " hey I just don't wanna follow this God's rules" that'd at least be honest...
I've never met a man Big enough to just say...."I don't care if your God is real or not, I don't like Him and I won't follow His rules, tell Him to come get me"...nope they just argue his existence..lol..
'Scuse me, but your fear is showing. It's my experience that, in this context, the loudest are the most fearful of the wrath of a supernatural entity for which they have no proof. The noise doesn't hide the envy you feel at those escapees from the thrall of religion you mention who are now having a great time. And even if you judge their escape a failure, at least they've 'done it their way' while you are waiting on your submissive knees for a nod from your master. Hint - it'll never come unless you remove your foil beanie first.
Fear of the Lord IS the beginning of wisdom....(I realize that the word "fear" in this case is also "AWE from the observation of Greatness"...so I hope I always maintain a good dose of my own personal fear of YHWH. and I hope you and everyone are having a great time. Happy Passover, resurection Day!!. ..and there ya go...another hateful comment about my aluminum head-gear that I hafta wear because of the brain damage I incurred at AthiestFest2014....tis surely the end of the world....
I read the Bible entirely, and I was amazed of how primitive this book is, I was disgusted by how much hate, brutality, violence, horror, pain, you name it, these people were butchers. Thanks to the Bible, I became an atheist.
The point of the bible is to demonstrate the absolute evil and sinfulness of man. It is very much like a police report. If you actually read the bible and you missed that point, I don't know what to tell you. Adam and Eve sin, their kid kills his brother, folks are at war all the time, famine comes and folks just get worse. Folks steal, kill, lie, cheat, look for loop holes, rape etc.... Great leaders become selfish adulterers....The whole point is to help us see what absolute shits mankind is....That is the point.
standwithfist806 When the bible instructs you how to do something (i.e. slavery, or murder, or war, or rape) it's not some story that has a moral. I seriously doubt you've actually read the entirety of the bible, probably just heard some priest give you the very few morally correct parts and say that's the whole thing.
Alex...well the bible instructed the Hebrew tribes in the OLD TESTAMENT .......Notice those rules are directed towards the Hebrews SOLELY...NOT their neighbors...not all of mankind. ..Remember in 2nd grade? The teacher asked..."children when we read, we should know , who is speaking and who is the intended audience....Reading comprehension..101
lol...I'm so old...Alex, I'm laughing at your.."you probably havent read the whole bible thang"...I've read it so many times I know how stupid MANY of these comments are....
over on LUTHERAN SATIRE'S channel is a great 7 minute video on Old Testament covenant law, who it was intended for and more importantly; those law's time limits...The vid is called :" Horus Reads the Internet"...it might REALLY clear up some stuff if folks think that the old testament is STILL instructing us to stone folks and slay giants etc....
I was horribly bullied in school because of that ridiculous teaching. It was so bad that I started hiding on the roof of the school during every recess break. The mental/emotional damage from that has lasted well into my adult life. It is a disgusting thing to indoctrinate children with "turn the other cheek."
So true. The only kids that end up obeying that command are the most sensitive, vulnerable, helpless ones, the ones who have the right to fight back, and need to fight back the most. Turn the other cheek is the most worthless teaching in the entire new testament.
I grew up as the youngest child of a preacher for the Church of Christ, and this denomination is very literal in their interpretation of the bible. I am currently in the middle of my deconstruction of faith, being now a middle aged transman. I still live with family members who are devout Christians still, and the amount of times that my family has turned to me and told me that I am sinning and deserve to burn in hell if I don't "deny myself" and turn back to God...I am disgusted that a religion that DEMANDS cruelty to ones own family ever got any traction whatsoever in the world. It's crazy to think about. Even more sad that they don't see anything wrong with it. They even see it as morally righteous and GOOD. Betraying your own family for the sake of an invisible sky daddy is so disgusting!
What I find totally unbelievable it is the fact that after watching this video, some believers continue to defend their bibles. It is a perfect brainwashed job in their heads.
I'd suggest watching people of education. Scholars debates if God is real. Not ignorant pompous people who think because they have an opinion they should let everyone know it.
I am wrestling with these issues. Two of the best for theism would be Trent Horn and William Lane Craig. For atheism, Alex, Sam Harris, and I quite like Genetically Modified Skeptic.
Even as a small child, I have wondered, whether the God who created the world so beautifully, is the same, who often described as so cruel in the Bible. Example: drowning babies in the Deluge. My English is not perfect - I am German, but I understand a lot from your videos. You speak very clearly. Thank you for your great work.
Simple thought. If water covered all the land, where did it drain off to? Why would God destroy all the animals and plants that had only been doing as he designed. Not a very well thought out plan from someone that could do anything
@@tamradawn1732 I`m not judging, just stating the truth and truth always hurts as we know. Reasoning doesn`t work with your kind, the stupid kind. Oh believe me I`m doing you a favour. Telling the truth as it is IS kindness!
I find it interesting that a god, who loves us all with a love so deep, it is beyond human understanding, can yet think of so many lethal ways to punish us for any disobedience, or thoughts of disobedience, to his slightest command.
“Punish us”. God is light. God is love. Love by definition is freedom. You were born with free will to choose. God aligns with your choices. God allows every choice you make repeatedly. You are punishing yourself by choice.
*PLEASE READ ALL* The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND. I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Vedic Sanatan Dharma ------------------------------------- * One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God * No heaven, hell, satan or original sin. * No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds * Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS * Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma. * No prophets, angels or messengers * No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls) * Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God * Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from. * God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation. * God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss * God doesnt do miracles * God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone. * Even God is bound by His own laws. That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form. Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS. GOD BLESS
Did you consider that he also took the lethal punishment of death and crucifixion for you and me? He isn't just standing by like a dictator, he came and suffered for you, that you wouldn't have to go through those lethal punishments, God is not just love, He is also justice, the rules are simple, you live by him, you'll never suffer, if you'll do sin(which is clearly wrong) then you reap the consequences, you and me broke the law, we have sinned, if he didnt care he'd have already destroyed all of us, he wouldn't have to send his son for the sake of mankind, but he did. Because he loves you and wants everyone to do right
Imagine a man is found to have tortured and killed his son. He is brought before a judge and says, “Well you see, I told my neighbor next door not to eat apples off my one prize tree but he listened to this demon disguised as a talking snake who talked him into eating them and I got really pissed. I cursed his entire family and told them to leave town but I really loved the guy and his family but I needed to have some retribution so I decided I would have my own son tortured and killed so I would have retribution. So now I felt I was paid what was due.. Oh You think I am a horrible person, sick and demented? Why not at all, for you see its not so horrible for I and my son are one and the same! That was me suffering like that as well as my son who is really me! Actually we are one and the same and, in fact, my son and I have existed for eternity and my son actually existed before his mother was born. Now don’t believe these pagans who tell you evil came into the world when Pandora opened that forbidden box. Yup, that is a lie and pagan superstition but my story is true. Now you must believe what I say as true even if it seems absurd to you ..believe it on something called “faith” which means you simply believe it without reason or facts. It’s a great virtue to think this way and a sin to think otherwise. And if it you don’t believe it, when you die I will send you into everlasting punishment..That’s right. I will punish you with everlasting fire. If you believe in me even if it makes no sense, well then you will be rewarded with everlasting bliss..no matter how many crimes you commit.
@@strings-n-keys Yep! And you're one of them... But. It's not a fatal disease. You CAN recover...IF you value truth more than you do the DOGMA of your church. Only a fool would bow a knee to a god who endorsed polygamy, concubinage, slavery, murder, homophobia and misogyny. The god of the Old Testament *DOES EXACTLY THAT!!* Get the hell OUT while you still have a few working brain cells!!
Predestination was always my issue as a Christian. How could a loving God create and earth full of defective people and then punish them for being that way when he knew all along that they would be that way. The loving thing to do would be to not create them.
*PLEASE READ ALL* The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND. I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Vedic Sanatan Dharma ------------------------------------- * One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God * No heaven, hell, satan or original sin. * No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds * Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS * Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma. * No prophets, angels or messengers * No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls) * Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God * Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from. * God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation. * God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss * God doesnt do miracles * God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone. * Even God is bound by His own laws. That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form. Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS. GOD BLESS
@@moo.7643 Could you elaborate a little more and explain your stance on predestination my friend? I believe you are saying that just a little percentage hold the belief of predestination and not all. Well what would be your stance on the same and isnt the ORIGINAL SIN concept of the Bible an act of Predestination. Doesnt the Bible say that God sent his only begotten son for others to be saved. Wasnt that predestined? I mean I am not a Christian but have been reading and reasearching the 3 major religions of the world for the past 12 years. Let me know of your beliefs my friend and if we could discuss our belief system against each other.
@@zombieblood1675 Thats what I think my friend. Such people are quick to make claims as if they have the ultimate Truth and answers to everything but when challenged to a debate or asked to prove their claim, all one gets is an eternity of silence.
The idea of eternal torture is the most immoral concept ever. I can think of worse ideas than the standard Christian Hell, but no idea in any religion I’m aware of is worse than Hell
@@EliseDoomSlayer Let's go over some of the torture quotes: Jude 1:7 Punishment of *eternal fire* Mark 9:453 In Hell, the fire never goes out. Matthew 13:42,50 blazing furnace with weeping and gnashing of teeth and *Matthew 25:46 Eternal (αἰώνιον) punishment 2 Thesalonians 1:9 punished with eternal (αἰώνιον) destruction* Revelation 21:8 a fiery lake , second death. Doesn't say whether it's eternal or not. I am not saying there are no verses that contradict these, but eternal punishment is threatened in the Bible.
The Norse hell is cool sounding, to me anyway. The place the chilled out oddballs go, away from wanna be bloodthirsty warriors in Valhalla. Always seemed a bit cold and clinical to me.
#9. Slavery. You forgot to mention that Jesus instructed slave owners not to take food with their slaves, rather to make the slaves wait to be fed. And how about "the angels of the Lord casting tares (weeds - unbelievers) on the flames of hell"? And then there are the horrors of Revelations. You could do another twenty on that chapter alone.
As a Catholic who is questioning their faith, I think that’s a good example of where understanding the context is important. Since it’s part of a parable, that line is simply meant to be descriptive rather than prescriptive. I absolutely feel there are problematic verses in the Bible, but don’t think that constitutes a fantastic example.
Revelations is the most misunderstood book in the Bible. It’s author is a Jewish follower of Christ, and this book is an attack on two things, the Roman Empire( the beast is Nero) and was widely seen as such when it began to circulate, and the non-Jewish followers of Christ, thus the screed against “peoples who say they are Jews but are not”.
That's absolutely true. That's how I ended up leaving. I had doubts and then I sat down and allowed myself to really read it. It was ten years after leaving when my uncle died due to the blood issue that I looked at the organization itself. Not what they say about apostates.
If only it was that easy. I've come across a lot of believers that regularly go to bible study. I'm pretty sure they are reading from it during these sessions but, for whatever reason, they continue to subscribe.
If creationists want the Bible taught in high school science classes then why not assign equal time to teach the bible controversy with John Cedars in Sunday school classes? Fair?
Since the Book of Genesis contains 2 versions of the Judaic Hebrew Creation Myth, I propose we teach divergent myths from other cultures. How about the Piegan version of the Blackfeet Indian Creation Story versus the Blood version? Or how about we teach the Greek mythology creation story found in Hesiod's work and compare it with the Roman version found in Ovid's work? How about those Norse Sagas and Eddas, huh? If Christians and Jews can teach their Genesis mythology in school then why can't we teach other creation myths? It's only fair.
I got into an argument with my dad in the 80's. He mentioned the concept of children being stoned for disobedience to their parents. He was taken aback when I handed him a stone. The Bible is one of the most abhorrent, sickening, and disgusting books ever written. The Book Of Mormon and the Koran are the other main two.
I'm going to let God, Jesus, Satan, Adam and Eve find a solution to their made up problem *Sin*, I have nothing to do with their dysfunctional family issues, leave me out of it. Lol
Gicu Doru First of all, Do you not know that the next level heaven you talked about is in your mind? I was in heaven (my mother's womb) and I'm going back to heaven again. I am not perfect, no one is, I was born to make mistakes, but a sinner I am not!
*PLEASE READ ALL* The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND. I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Vedic Sanatan Dharma ------------------------------------- * One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God * No heaven, hell, satan or original sin. * No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds * Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS * Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma. * No prophets, angels or messengers * No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls) * Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God * Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from. * God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation. * God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss * God doesnt do miracles * God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone. * Even God is bound by His own laws. That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form. Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS. GOD BLESS
As an ex Muslim and now an atheist I looked up all three religions and found nothing but bullshit and lies, thank you both of you for making it easier.
Every time I think about when God was invented, I picture a bunch of guys sitting around a campfire wearing animal skins saying stuff like , hey we"re loosing control of all these people what can we do ? one says perhaps we can take there focus off of us and put it on someone else that they might fear more then us and we will still have control without all the heat.
The whole Bible is full of atrocities, misogyny, contradictions, inconsistencies and lies. How I, or anyone else, has ever taken it seriously as a moral guide, is unimaginable.
The good done far outweighs any bad happenings in those places of charitable work. Shall we castigate,minimalize,or do away with schools,colleges,decent governments,and businesses because there are occasional acts of wrongdoing in those institutions/ work places? Don't throw out the baby with the bath water or fling dirty water on the baby!
@@howardfowler2255 The religious based 9/11 was not an "occasional act". Neither were the crusades or Inquisition. Neither were the Biblical instructions to "Stone to death Sabbath breakers, witches, adulterers, infidels and homosexuals", "occasional acts". Neither was the Great Flood, which if real, killed millions, including innocent pregnant women, their fetus, toddlers and infants. Biblically endorsed slavery was NOT an "occasional act"...from which grew and inspired slavery in the US and other countries! Is this your avocation...to play down Biblical atrocities?? I didn't commit these acts of Biblical terrorism. I just point them out to give some balance to the whole BS, *feel good* narrative you Theists seem determined to shove down our throats as the ONLY reality!! There's ALWAYS at least one other side to every story. These acts *DO* OUTWEIGH the good that IS FOUND in the Bible. In fact, the horrors of the Bible *OUTWEIGH* the good by a factor of at least 10 to 1! Just ask the survivors of these religious-based atrocities! WE didn't "throw out the baby with the bath water or fling dirty water on the baby". YOUR HOLY BIBLE DID THAT!! Let's put the blame where it belongs!
@@howardfowler2255 I wouldn't say that the Bible is responsible for the good that Christians do. It's the inherent goodness that's ALREADY in their hearts that makes them focus on the positive verses in the Bible, and point to them as support for their good deeds. I know far too many Christians who gloss over the brutal and hateful parts of the Bible, and look at only the good parts. Doesn't mean it's a good book.
@@howardfowler2255 congratulations. Your religion has been drug through time for generations kicking and screaming about keeping it's sexist racist bigoted views and finally got to where it's at now. That's quite a nice polish job you did on that turd though. Still nothing near proof of the claims being true yet.
It's not the right choice if it means walking away from Jesus. If your church teaches false doctrine - "another Jesus" "another gospel" by "another spirit" other than the Holy Spirit / The Spirit of Truth ; by all means leave deception. Pray and ask God for wisdom and spiritual discernment. There are doctrines of demons and seducing spirits to lead people astray. There are false prophets and false teachers. There will be much deception in the last days before Jesus returns. The world will pat you on the back and tell you that you made the right choice in leaving the church if it includes forsaking God, the Bible, and Jesus. Whose lies do you think their heads are filled with? Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers. Jesus came to rescue us out of the kingdom of spiritual darkness and make us born again through the power of God, adopted into the family of God in the kingdom of light. Jesus is the light of the world, but those that love the world don't come into the light. The Bible is the Sword of the Spirit; the spiritual weapon to be used against Satan. That is why he hates the Bible so much - and he wants all of us to be unarmed when he wars against us. The battle is not between God and Satan. Satan would be like a teaspoon of butter fighting against the sun - no contest. The war is between mankind and Satan. He has been here much longer and he is wiser, but God gives His children authority and power to overcome. In the natural realm, Jesus was stripped naked, spit upon, mocked, beaten, scourged, crucified. In the spiritual realm, Jesus conquered all the power of Satan over and over and over again. He always has and He always will. Jesus reigns supreme in the spiritual realm now. He will rule supreme in the natural realm when he returns.
@@johnreed4159 "Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers." So it's all Satan's fault for making me a non-believer. Tell Jesus I said to tell Satan thanks.
Speaking of indoctrination / brainwashing: I noticed all these scriptures and many more that made no sense and felt all wrong from a very young age--but I was taught and believed "who was I to question god?" and gave over my reasoning to those interpreting the Bible --and the Bible itself. It was a circular loop of "logic" that kept me trapped in for decades. So glad to be free to decide what makes sense and is true to me--and yes "trust in my heart and lean on my own understanding."
>gave over my reasoning to those interpreting the Bible I'm glad you put it that way too. Coz that's what it is. It's not giving over your reasoning to GOD, no, it's giving over your reasoning to OTHER IMPERFECT MEN (as if they can do a better job than us... because, because WHAT). Why should anyone do that?! It's retarded. And i'd go further: To be treating men as if they are unquestionable Gods, is outright IDOLATRY.
For me it started when I realized "The Bible is the word of God" *was a claim that needed proving.* It couldn't simply be blindly accepted _because there were other contradictory books claiming the exact same thing!_ I can't believe all of them!
Because the Bible is not how to be moral. If the Bible taught how to be moral man would be the hero of the Bible, instead their is only 1 hero in the Bible, God.
I believe in Santa Claus because I was raised believing in Santa Claus. How do I know it's true? I just KNOW it's true. I mean MILLIONS of kids believe in Santa Claus, how can they all be wrong? He has books written about him and songs sung about him. Why would anyone bother doing that if he wasn't real? Besides, I don't want to live in a world where there IS no Santa Claus. He makes me feel SO good. Every year at Christmas he brings me toys and gifts and candy. It really gives me a sense of bliss. Me and my friends get together and have Christmas meetups and talk about how awesome he is and how good he makes us feel. Plus, one time I fell off my bike and hit my head and I saw him in my dream giving me the BEST present ever, so I know it was his way of saying to keep believing in him and that's the present I'll get next year. I just have faith that it's true. I also leave cookies out for him and when I wake up THEY ARE HALF EATEN!! I don't know what other kind of proof you would need!? I know people in other countries don't believe in Santa Claus or they believe in a different kind of Santa Claus, but that's just because that's how they were raised. I also hear stories about how throughout the year when it's not Christmas, supposedly Santa Claus is not that nice of a guy and he beats his wife and is a drunk, but I try not to focus on THAT stuff, I just focus on the good things he does once Christmas comes around and how he makes ME feel. I also jump around from city to city sometimes on Christmas. I try to find the BEST city where the Santa they talk about gives the best presents. So far, I really like Beverly Hills. I have just found that for me, that Santa really speaks to me and makes me feel the happiest. I tried rural Louisiana one time and it just wasn't for me. I feel bad for you that you don't get presents every year because you don't believe in him, but I guess to each their own. :-) May Santa bless you next year!?
Don't be fooled, this is a false prophet. See Santa is an anagram of Satan, who draws you in with presents and devours your soul with promises of a rich material world that's all you will want. It's dangerous man, don't fall for it.
Thank you, John Cedars, for these videos. I was indoctrinated (by JWs) as a child and disfellowshipped at age 17. I am now 58 and have been "shunned" my many family members for the past 40 years - unable to attend weddings, reunions or anniversary parties with my 11 siblings. I am also atheist as of the past 7 years or so. It really does take a very long time to "find that door" after being a witness for so long, even a disfellowshipped one. I enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!
@@AM-6030 WHY be careful?? The NT has been PROVEN to be *crapola" AND "rubbish". By their FRUITS shall they be known!! Look no further than the atrocities of the Inquisition and Crusades...the burning of witches and the current persecution of gays....ALL OF IT based on the N.T. Bible...correctly or incorrectly, the result is the SAME!!
@@42apostate This is an arguement that is commonly used. I would equate this argument to saying that all athiests will end up like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, etc. And you and I know that this is obviously not true..
JonSnuhhhhhhhhh abusive partners also use the word love too, doesn't mean they do not abuse. It is not even that it is wholly bad it is that it is worshiped like it is perfect when in reality it is a old collection of books written by many flawed men. I personally like parts of the book the shows a proto-humanist Jesus. But, other parts are just abusive and evil.
Matthew 5:31 I'm screwed. My wife was married before, her 1st husband committed adultery and left her. I guess she as not supposed to remarry. Oh well.
Yes a bad belief. This could leave woman stuck in abusive relationships. Woman have left that I know in that kind of relationship. Their happily remarried. According to the Bible they are sinner and committing adultery. It is time to let the past go in these books and move forward to a better thinking. From Buddhist/Agnostic Lee.
It's so plainly obvious that the scriptures were written to ensure people conformed, were obedient and gave money. Funny how God always needs cash!!! Great video guys.
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” - Matthew 6:24
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ― Epicurus
So this god dude, gets in a really snippy mood and decides to make people he can really hate on. He pre-plans their whole lif, they get no say in any of it. Then they live out this life according to the plan and when they die, it's like 'Hey, you didn't have a choice, but because you didn't choose to serve me, you have to be punished now.' And this is a 'loving' god.
First of all, god does not hate anyone, he loves us all, second god gives free will to everyone, every choice you make, you choose that choice yourself he doesn’t force you to do anything or control your life, and he gives u a choice you can either be with him in happiness or you can choose to be on the side of the devil, but don’t get mad when you die and he invites you into his area of hell, how will you blame god for your torturing when you’re the one who chose to be tortured by the devil because in the after life there’s two sides, God’s side or devils side and in your life with your free will you decide which part you’ll be on. And my advice to you is pick the lords side because then you’ll truly feel happiness.
@@mpelite5527 Please. When Pharoah didn't let the Israelites go because God hardened his heart, was that him exercising free will? No. He was probably punished for it to. I don't understand the bending and twisting that religious people do to try to make contradictions align.
God doesn't send us to hell. We have our own free will we choose to sin an do unholy things. God is the judge ND he hates sin but lives us. That's why Jesus died for us so we can be saved.
@@jemts5586 pharaoh still had free will. God just hardened his heart because his heart was already against God. Kinda like a trial an tribulation thing
In grade school in the U.S. I had a friend that was a Jehovah's Witness. In 5th grade a teacher called this student out and told him he was going to hell, in front of the whole class, because his religion was a cult. This basically gave all the other Christian students the green light to beat the crap out of him during recess. And they did.I knew this was wrong as a 5th grader, and hated that teacher and the other students for what they did. I regret not standing up to that teacher and telling her she was wrong. This was one of my earliest lessons on the evils of religion.
byron2521 , earliest lesson with the beast, herd behavior, with religion riding it. Doesn’t take religion to make a mob, just a bunch of people needing a scapegoat.
My parents are ultra-strict fundamentalist Baptists, my father a Baptist minister, in fact. This is the sort of thing that they justify and uphold as good things, rather than recognizing the pure malice of a moral code that shuns most forms of sexuality, but embraces genocide, torture, arson, abuse, slavery, and other forms of violence.
I have always thought that the bible was so against women, I would even go far to say that the bible is very sexist towards women. I feel like women especially in the congregation of Jehovah Witnesses are very limited to what they can do in the Kingdom Hall. Also I don’t quite understand why a Jehovah Witness woman has to wear a covering over their head when their husband does a prayer. My mum used to have to do it when my stepdad was saying a prayer even though she was going out on the field service more times than he was and she was a better Jehovah Witness than him.
In the book study (about 10 years ago) my husband was not allowed to read because he went too few hours from house to house. Then an older sister had to read with a headscarf. My husband sometimes had only three hours - that was too little for the elders.
It is a command in the Bible that women cover their heads before men and to keep silent in church. If they have a question ask their hisbands later at home. It is a shitty book written by men for men.
@@helixmoore7636 the entire bible demeans women, and only after death in heaven are they equal to men. Jesus never refuted all the horribly oppressive and disgsuting treatment in the OT under "god's perfect law" as he called it. He never took a few minutes to say women are men's equal. He chose 12 men and not one woman.
Doesn't the terrible idea of number 19 contradict number 18? Suppose your parents decide to worship in a different way and command their children to do so. The children should turn against their parents according to number 19 but be killed if they disobey according to number 18. How does anybody decide what to do?
Jesus plays Good Cop to Yaweh's Bad Cop, like a charming narcissist (only I could love someone as dirty, broken and worthless as you, and I love you so much I will kill you if you don't love and obey me no matter how absurd and contradictory my demands)--but the result is the same: a few are saved and the rest are damned / destroyed. So loving.
Abigail Parker: never thought about it quite that way, thanks! So god has his favorites as does jesus--like any other narcissist, having their golden child (children) and all the rest are just scapegoats, to denigrate and even destroy. Wow, that is a wonderful way to consider it! Well, wonderful in a horrible way...but insight is always wonderful.
Jillian Smith & Abigail Parker - Yes I agree, excellent point. I often think of the bible god as a psychopath. But you're right - he (also) fits the exact template of a narcissist. I guess that says a lot about the people who invented him.
You don't seem to understand the Christian worldview...Evil, rebellious, and wicked would be better words...And nowhere in the Bible does God call someone worthless, everyone has worth because they are made in his image... We are incapable of loving & obeying God in our sinful state, so it doesn't follow that he threatens us to love him...he simply rips out the believer's heart of stone and gives them a heart of flesh...No more desiring trite, sinful, selfish, absurd things that rebel against the Creator...The believer has joy in the Creator...the relationship restored. God is under no obligation to save anyone (remember evil, rebellious and wicked), and yet he does. So yes, laying down his life for the rebel sinner is very loving...That's why it's called "Amazing Grace." It saved a wretch like me...once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see. If you're searching for God...Don't look beneath you. Look above.
This religion which has pretty much harmed everywhere it touched which is almost worldwide thanks to the fact that Europe oppressed/colonized everywhere but five nations.
A like your style of critique. It's factual rather than feelings and respectful rather than disrespectful. I think more people are likely to listen to what is said and take to heart.
I wouldn’t say “factual”. I would describe them as sciolists. While they may seem respectful because of their tone, they are being dishonest by not actually digging into the meanings of the verses. Although I don’t think they are intentionally ignoring the meanings of what they are reading. They just don’t know. .
Why are all the anti religion videos just now getting spammed with religious propaganda ads? Also, vessels of wrath? Awesome name for a thrash metal band!
All this religious spam indicates how desperate religions are to hold on to their control and income. They are not blind. They can see their control slipping away... IOW...It's a GOOD sign!
Davey Jones , shallow sign that symbolizes deception. Your vision misses a global reality that the religious procreate prolific like as the educated west doesn’t. The religious WILL inherit.
@@micsaul7542 What they "inherit" won't be the beautiful thing you delusionally THINK it will be. Hopefully, the only thing that will be hurt by the crash of the corporate religious scam will be the tender feelings of the followers of these spiritually based frauds. AND. The clerics will be forced to find new jobs. (aw.w.w. poor widdo booboos!) Hopefully jobs that will be more *productive* this time.
I can accept that Christians generally don't interpret the bible literally in practice, but then, which of the thousands of interpretations is correct? Am I supposed to play spiritual roulette?
Despite being all powerful Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah needed to hoard all gold, silver, jewels, and other wealth from conquered civilizations and hypocritically preached about mercy yet murdered thousands of innocent people including children.
@@leegleissner9771 you do know people from different religions have different near death experiences right? Believe what you want, but you've no more proof with that then any other religion. If everyone had the exact same experience it still wouldn't be proof. The plural of antidote is not data
*PLEASE READ ALL* The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND. I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma. Vedic Sanatan Dharma ------------------------------------- * One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God * No heaven, hell, satan or original sin. * No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds * Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS * Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma. * No prophets, angels or messengers * No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls) * Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God * Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from. * God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation. * God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss * God doesnt do miracles * God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone. * Even God is bound by His own laws. That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form. Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS. GOD BLESS
@@pitamahbhism5766 Sounds good and may be a good way to live, however, where is your evidence that this "God" exists? How were these so called truths given. I will be a sceptic till I am visited personally along with all humans on earth by this God who says, "here I am and these are my truths". Until then I will remain skeptical of everything.
Some Dude They reproduce at a faster rate that people in Europe, and im guessing that its the same case with america. Thats why its 50% or some other percentage (i dont know the exact number).
@@PG-rt7os actually that's a bad interpretation. A hardened heart is in other areas of the bible too. It does not mean that God physically took action to harden his heart. But that God hardened his heart as in the idea of God hardened his heart. Because so many do not want to accept God and so the mention of him hardens their heart. I could use that same kind of speech today. Say I know my neighbour dislikes me and he gets angry when I am mentioned to him or something. I could say I cause him to be angered (I harden his heart) It doesn't mean I am physically making something change within him.
I married a JW and he beat the snot out of me weekly for 7 yrs. I was raised Catholic and we found middle ground at the Christian church. All these religious people including my family stood by and watched this for 7 long years. I discovered paganism and found the support and courage to throw him out! The bible and church are disgraceful!
Those are not true followers of christ. There's a huge diffrence between religious people. And followers of christ. I hope you are doing better. Godbless.
Predestination kind of reminds me of Braveheart. The king orders the archers to fire into the melee. A soldier objects saying “won’t they hit our own men?” The king replies “yes, but they’ll hit theirs as well.” Heartlessly using people as pawns with no worth.
The Bible sucks but a number of things like turn the other cheek didn't mean to just take violence in stride, we need to understand the culture of the Middle East back then to understand what the authors meant. Which in my mind is one of the best lines of evidence for the Bible having nothing to do with a god.
#17 41:37 this account always confused me. basically someone died in the house and instead of reporting it they just put the person in a body bag and put them in a tomb without anyone knowing. then they did it a second time. i think anyone hearing this story would have assumed peter murdered them and his accomplices were the clean-up crew. even if the people dropped dead right in front of them, the authorities would have investigated things. i think this account and many others lend credence to the idea that much if not all of the bible is a collection of fictional works like game of thrones, only with more violence and sex and profanity.
01 10 watch CosmicSkeptic's video, though, and see what you think. You might like it. And most of his videos are less drawn out and tedious than this one, at least in my opinion.
01 10 The USA is not now, never was, and never will be "a Christian nation." That was the intention of its Founders, who were Deists and despised the Chrisrian Bible (rightly so).
SwiftJustice2020 That's a common misconception touted largely by Christian revisionists. Washington paid lip service to the local church, but inwardly despised the Christian faith.
Hm.. Okay, I'm convinced, I'm going to watch every episode of Alex's channel and think about my religion. Now that I look at it, it sounds crazy. ._. Funny how 90% of things atheist questioned, I questioned too, just never took them seriously due to my father saying "Children are young and naive, and don't think logically.." .__. What a world we live in.
well, if you listen to atheist haters and decide to believe them, that's your choice but if you really want to know what's the bible about i strongly recommend you The Naked Bible Bile Podcast with the scholar Dr. Michael Heiser or William Lain Craig's page Reasonable Faith.
@@stevenlast2168 John, 3, 16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
Eternal life means your happiness and peace never end, and that you are part of Heaven forever and ever. Deep down in our hearts we all know that eternity exists, all of our thoughts and consciousness don’t die when our bodies do. We have souls that God back to God. Jesus loves you man, always will
you must believe me or believe me, i will torment you because I'm everywhere, all good, know everything, and can do anything because i'm all powerful. Wait what ?!? Why don't you just create the way you wanted it, or just atleast have an idea for a build-in believe system in those human?
A priest is requested to undergo a random breath test. The cops says sorry sir you have a positive reading. The priest looks up to heaven and says ohh Jesus you did it again.
How does anyone fully understand the Bible when the Bible as it is is not as it was? The conference of Constantinople sat down and had books removed from the bible and wanted all the removed books destroyed. If you don't have the complete work how do you make a truly informed decision and not a brainwashed decision? Also one question that was never answered was again on why Judas was damned, he was used as a pawn.
At last a video which exposes the real awfulness of the New Testament. I’m glad I’m not alone in finding this book, along with the Old one, utterly objectionable.
well, if you listen to atheist haters and decide to believe them, that's your choice but if you really want to know what's the bible about i strongly recommend you The Naked Bible Bile Podcast with the scholar Dr. Michael Heiser or William Lain Craig's page Reasonable Faith.
Really interesting one, thanks guys. Youwork well together and it's intensely interesting to watch. Alex has quite the brilliant mind. Merry Christmas to you all xxxx
(13:14).....death may be the terminal punishment, yet a person may according to scripture be resurrected. Worse than death? Not hell fire torment, but being cast into Gehenna or the Lake of Fire meaning everlasting destruction from which there is no hope of return, no hope of a resurrection. In that sense death is not considered the worst punishment as the complete annihilation as described in Rev 20:14 and Rev 21:8 is more permanent and everlasting.
Im,' on my lunch break and enjoying this video. So many good points and food for thought. I also appreciated the point Alex mentioned, when he said you make a vow to the person you married, not to the person who now shows an entirely different side of themselves and presents themselves as someone entirely different. (paraphrased)... Thanks to both of you for your videos...
Aka Perez Good point. People change. Even, and especially those close to you. In fact, the closer you started out with someone, the more painful the changes.
After my waking up you two became my favorite UA-camrs so it's so cool to see you together discussing such a topic. Even though it was 2 years ago I'm happy to find it now
I spent several years working in a state mental hospital and I worked with a woman who gouged out her right eye due to that verse in Matthew. She also had bit off one of her fingers, but it was never totally clear if that was also religiously motivated. Either way, I watched her for years fervently praying for her illness to be relieved. I also watched countless other patients doing the same (praying for relief). It was very sad to see them spinning into despair because all their lives, they've been told to pray for help and that God always answers prayer, yet they sink further as they feel a hopeless sense of abandonment.
When people try to justify slavery in the bible by saying things like "god couldn't abolish slavery because people wouldn't be ready for it." I remind them that this is supposed to be a god who created the entire cosmos out of nothing more than his wish for it to exist. You're not allowed to use the words "god couldn't" and you lose the argument the moment they pass your lips.
Acts 5:1-11 What in the world did they teach you in Kingdom Hall? Ananias an Sapphira were not killed for withholding money, they were killed for lying to the God You are either speaking in ignorance or your being downright deceitful. This has nothing to do with money.
The owner of this channel was never a Jehovah's Witness, because even if you were and you felt mislead by the organization, you would NOT misunderstand and ridicule the bible
11th Commandment: Thou shall wait 1/2 hour after eating before thy may go swimming. 12th Commandment: It is ok to own humans as slaves as long as they are forced to worship me. 13th Commandment: That is enough for now I shall drum up some more commandments later after I laugh at the trouble you are having keeping these commandments.
If you want, and I seriously doubt that, real Bible study, you should engage in it yourself. These scholars are taking verses out of context and even then they interpret it terribly wrong. Like torment... God wants the people to suffer with plague, war and food shortage. God wants people to repent and the authority is given according to their own choice not to respect the giver of peace, health and food. So basically people say to God you don't exist and we don't want you but sure we like peace, health and food. So yes, God is having enough but still is open for people to repent, which they don't. Rebellious lot is mankind. That is a fact.
You did good jobs to read the whole New Testament in detail. There are many bad translations and wrong interpretations of the Bible. I am sympathetic for you being bullied in your childhood or your mother's divorce. The both of you are very handsome and intelligent. Do you know why you are handsome and intelligent. God, your Creator blessed you so much to be handsome and intelligent. God is merciful even to those who are ungrateful. Most of us enjoy amazing gifts and benefits from God: air, water, cars, computers, robots. If we made robots and the robots were rebellious against us, we can destroy the robots. God is patient, long-suffering. God does not want anybody to perish but to repent and to go to heaven. Usually the unrepentant criminals in prisons blame judges or victims. But repentant prisoners try to change their life-styles. When I found myself a sinner recognizing my heart full of evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, and slander (Matthew 15:19), the death and resurrection of Jesus became good news of great joy to me. I hope that you will realize the good news of Jesus for yourself, too. May God bless you!
just a little out of context there, don't you think? you did not quote the entire verse. Was that intentional? Not to mention out of context with the whole passage.Why worry about it? If you don't want to follow the teaching of Jesus and his followers, then don't. Your choice. You can always follow the principle of Do What Thou Wilt from Aleister Crowley or Anton Szandor LaVey, right? After all, if Methodological and Philosophical Naturalism are true, then it really doesn't matter a hell of a lot, does it?Jesus was just some illegitimate, kid, right? He was just the son of a carpenter, right? He was just one more in a long line of religious cult leaders, right? After all, religion is useless, right? Unless, of course, it's the religion of Naturalism / Secular Humanism / Atheism? Those are all so meaningful to our souls, right?Jesus, just a mere man? How on earth did this mere man (starting as a carpenter and only peaching & teaching for 3 1/2 years before being railroaded in a farce trial and plotted against by both religious and civil authorities) have such an effect upon the world we live in? He didn't really do miracles and have power over supernatural demons and the natural body, did he? Legend? Liar? Lunatic? or Lord? I'll go with the later and continue to believe him in a world full of naysayers.
Tyndalic, do you think it might be a little sick and "twisted" to quote half a verse that seems to support your argument, while dishonestly ignoring the other half that brings the perfect balance to marital relationships? Now why do I say "dishonestly? Because a slightly more honest way to cite your verse would have been, "1 Cor 7:4a." For those who'd like to know what you omitted, it was this: "and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife." 1 Cor 7:4b.
Thank you for laying down all of these so clearly. I thought of all of these texts and ideas for years without being able to explain or defend them. I also thought "what kind of God is this?", and left.
...I attend a local church in my decimated community of Paradise California...I have studied other philosophies deeply (namely Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism) and traveled extensively, living in Europe for decades. My conclusion is simple: Love all sentient beings, be kind to yourself, your community and the planet and be of selfless (no thanks, favour or renumeration is expected or required) service to others as other is none other than Self... Self is whole (Holy) We often hear or read, "we are One" ... separation (duality) clearly shows opposites define each other. Cop and robber are two sides of a single coin. And, clearly, no word, concept or idea is the absolute truth. We may call it a tree but a tree simply Is and you, simply, Are... The truth, by definition, is that which cannot/does not change. Therefore, the entire cosmos is only relative, not absolute for every"thing" is in a constant state of flux/flow and on its way out. Could what we truly are be that which is unchanging, beyond boundaries, definition and all, so-called, dimensions of space/time? Good "pointers" may be stillness... silence...space... emptiness
This was brilliant!! Thank you so much for making this video. Over the past 7 or 8 months, I have literally been asking most of these questions, word for word, (though not in such cool accents *smile*). Thank you for letting me know that I am not crazy. I am not some unbalanced, emotional woman. Others have the have questions. Thank you, again.
Good stuff guys. Brilliant video. As a Muslim, these are often the exact points I and others bring up to Christians. It is truly astounding that not only do most not know about these verses, or care about their implications, but after being pointed out, they resort to "well you don't have the 'Holy Spirit'" i.e., apparently we cannot "see" the message because some spirit hasn't "touched" us. Ignorance, denial, and delusions are a helluvadrug. Thanks for the upload.
They are only contradictions if you insist on seeing it as anything other than an anthology of the imperfect writings of a range of ancient writers. That's a problem for Christians - one which most deny even exists. At this point in life, I am more interested in what these writings tell us about those ancient peoples and the world they lived in. I really could care less about the religious arguments.
Re. #3, Jesus instructed the rich man to give up his money in order to follow him, because the rich man loved money more than he loved God. Folks who place the Divine Father above all else could have money so long as it didn’t interfere with their connection with God...
I can imagine the "have no thought for the morrow" sermon being told right before the offering plate being passed around. With all these people wandering what to do with all this money they don't need for the future, the church answers "you may as well just give it to us."
The problem I have always had about the story of Jephthah is that he was considering a human sacrifice no matter what. I mean I guess a goat could wander out of the door of his house, since people back the did live in the second story above their livestock, but that was usually the way poorer people lived. Jephthah was fairly wealth, so I can't imagine he lived above his livestock. Still, would a goat or ram be coming out to greet you? It seems more likely that he had servants and expected any of those servants to come out to greet him. Would that be any better? He was willing to sacrifice any human that came out to greet him. That's sick. I don't want to worship any god that is going to accept, much less demand a human sacrifice. This is the kind of crappy behavior that christians attribute to devil worshippers and other cults. Any religion based on the bible is as bad if not worse than any cult or devil worshippers if they follow that bible at all.
In [Deuteronomy 12:31] and [Micah 6:6-8] sacrifices of humans are clearly shown as abhorrent to the Lord. Also Jephthah’s daughter requests leave to think on her virginity, see [Judges 11:38]. Then in the following verse she fullfilled the vow and it tells what the sacrifice was. That she never knew a man.
@Jubei Yang oh how did you come to this conclusion? did you study it or just blindly believe what you hear from haters and ignorant people? I advice you to investigate it your self then judge it ..is that fair? The Quran is the only book on the face of the earth that offers true salvation. Only sincere truth seekers can understand its wisdom.
@@auzdeee Why assume that a person who thinks the Quran is full of lies hasn't already read it? Are you here to watch a video about the bad parts of the Bible, thinking that you're own holy book is flawless?? The irony.
oh my god (pun intended) i've been arguing with religious people about predestination for like 20 years now! this is literally the first time i've seen someone else talk about it. i eye roll every time i hear that "god gave everyone free will" crap. and instead of a game, like you compared it to, i always argue that if he knows all and knows the beginning and the end, then there's no way anyone has free will and this is just one big soap opera that he's dvr'd and seen 1000 times already. then i'd argue the fact that if people do have free will then there's no way that this "knows all" god knows everything. 1. the biggest of sinners changes his ways and starts believing.. what, is god like " ***GASP***whoa, i DID NOT see that coming!!" or is he like "yeah, i already knew that was gonna happen... why? CAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING HAHAHA! i've seen this movie a billion ti.. errr, i have a plan my children....." makes no sense. 2. if you authored a book, you are the creator of the characters in that book and you know exactly how the book ends because... well, you wrote it! at NO POINT in that book can one of the characters do something different and go on another path that isn't the one that the author gave him. sure, you can say that all the characters in the book can make their own choices/write their own ending all you want but they can't. the book is already written! it's usually about that time when a believer would hit me with the "god works in mysterious ways.. nobody can understand his divine plan" speech. smh
Good insight into anti-slavery possibly leading to freedom from mental slavery to the God in one's head, but a pro-slavery religion was also much easier for the ruling class to adopt.
Funny how some atheists can criticique with intelligence when adherents to the word cannot. These gentlemen are tops, and they have taught me much in this video. #1 about the silence of women in the congregation: this is rule #1 in my husband's church, a small and rural independent Church of Christ. I'm a lifelong atheist and skeptic but attended with him for 5 months after we were married, just to try to fit in with his family (guess how that worked out). I questioned why women had no role other than to work in the nursery and to teach the kiddie classes and got the reason given in #1. That answer was no answer for me and I closed the conversation with wondering why any self-respecting modern woman can belong to such a church. We never broached the subject again. I also asked how a woman could ask a question or voice a concern: turns out she is to have her husband ask and, if she's not married, she is to ask through any man. Very strange.
I’m a clinical psychologist who earned his doctorate at a university that attempted to integrate psychology and Christianity. For so many years of my life I tried to find ways around the horrible messages people were getting both from the Bible and from people who used the Bible to manipulate others. A few months ago at age 73 I had enough of my own hypocrisy and began to listen to atheist utube programs debunking everything that I had known but overlooked. I am so relieved to have walked away from believing the Bible is the word of God and inherent. Thank you for taking the time to be a skeptic. I am enjoying becoming a skeptic myself.
That's a great achievement after so many years. As a clinical psychologist you know people can change, no so much aspects of their personality but their behaviour, thoughts, beliefs and to some extent their emotional responses. You have shown this regarding even long-indoctrinated and practised thinking habits. Well done.
Thank you sir
SOBRIETY!
But I hope you are not grossly missing the mark. Because You said atheist debunking everything.... But it doesn't take an Athiest to debunk anything. It takes someone with common sense, logical reasoning, mathematical law & natural law. Athiests are a bad example because they are far off the mark. Because athiests are subtly saying that they are spiritually dead and there is no core consciousness, which is just as insane as believing in a fictional being that says you should dash babies against boulders. So, if you are jumping on the atheist band-wagon -- what you are essentially doing is jumping from one $#!T-Pit to another. Because there is an ultimate highest power creator -- and if I were you, or anybody reading this comment, I would suggest that you really be careful in what ideals & ideas you entangle yourself with.
I hear you. As a therapist also, i think its amazing how much pain is caused by religions, especially in the development of the self. For whatever reason I disliked the whole bullshit since i was 7. Keep in touch if you feel like it
[02:06] 1. Women should be silent
[03:56] 2. No forgiveness without bloodshed
[05:10] 3. Don’t save money; give up belongings
[07:15] 4. Confusion over divine teachings is OK
[08:55] 5. Predestination
[12:07] 6. God endorses torture
[15:15] 7. Punishment can be eternal
[17:31] 8. Don’t defend yourself
[20:24] 9. Slavery is acceptable
[23:07] 10. Divorce = adultery
[27:28] 11. Self-mutilation better than sinning
[30:22] 12. Homosexuality is obscene
[33:59] 13. Wives should be in subjection
[35:59] 14. Jephthah was a hero
[39:05] 15. God allows people to be deluded
[40:01] 16. Thought crime is a thing
[41:38] 17. Death for withholding money
[43:47] 18. Death for disobeying parents
[46:55] 19. Religion should break apart families
[49:07] 20. Love can be compulsory
1) Eve decieved Adam, and lost the spiritual authority if you like
2)No forgivness without bloodshed is obvious when you think. Adam was killed by his own action, thats if adam is to live he shouldnt do that action. Its justice. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
Thats the first two, you better read the bible in its right context and then make the critique
*PLEASE READ ALL*
The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND.
I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Vedic Sanatan Dharma
-------------------------------------
* One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God
* No heaven, hell, satan or original sin.
* No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds
* Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS
* Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma.
* No prophets, angels or messengers
* No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls)
* Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God
* Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from.
* God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation.
* God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss
* God doesnt do miracles
* God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone.
* Even God is bound by His own laws.
That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form.
Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS.
GOD BLESS
@@pitamahbhism5766 if there was no fall, how come evil exists?
@@dan9521 Thank you for asking my friend. It is a very simple thing to explain why evil or sin exists had it not been for the original sin.
As I type now I am at work and will be going off in the next 6 hours.
I will be explaining everything in detail with logical point to ponder upon as well.
Catch up with you in a short while.
God Bless
@@dan9521 My brother I had typed a reply but it is long and not going through so I am sending it to you in 2 parts. You can read them both 1 after the other. I hope that is ok with you and since i just touched on Christianity so far my other reply would be similar in nature but from the Vedic point of view.
God bless and enjoy the read.
I've always maintained that the bible is the best recruitment tool atheism has.
I maintain that poor reading comprehension is the best tool atheism has...lol...can these guys read?...they interpret Acts 5 to say that GOD killed Anais and Saphira!!..lol.....please go read Acts 5...and Patreon the little frail one some money. He needs a hot meal.
Let me correct myself, SIN is the best recruitment tool for atheism....The ONLY folks I personally know that left Christianity left because they began engaging in a behavior that was un-biblical. Not because they did some 3 year apologetics study
..basically either they shacked up with someone(un-biblical stuff) or they just wanted to live an intoxicated life(un-biblical)...oh sure afterwards they did a little google study to "disprove" christianity but in truth their ACTIONS and lifestyle choices were their primary motivation...I'd rather just say, " hey I just don't wanna follow this God's rules" that'd at least be honest...
I've never met a man Big enough to just say...."I don't care if your God is real or not, I don't like Him and I won't follow His rules, tell Him to come get me"...nope they just argue his existence..lol..
'Scuse me, but your fear is showing.
It's my experience that, in this context, the loudest are the most fearful of the wrath of a supernatural entity for which they have no proof. The noise doesn't hide the envy you feel at those escapees from the thrall of religion you mention who are now having a great time.
And even if you judge their escape a failure, at least they've 'done it their way' while you are waiting on your submissive knees for a nod from your master.
Hint - it'll never come unless you remove your foil beanie first.
Fear of the Lord IS the beginning of wisdom....(I realize that the word "fear" in this case is also "AWE from the observation of Greatness"...so I hope I always maintain a good dose of my own personal fear of YHWH. and I hope you and everyone are having a great time. Happy Passover, resurection Day!!.
..and there ya go...another hateful comment about my aluminum head-gear that I hafta wear because of the brain damage I incurred at AthiestFest2014....tis surely the end of the world....
I read the Bible entirely, and I was amazed of how primitive this book is, I was disgusted by how much hate, brutality, violence, horror, pain, you name it, these people were butchers. Thanks to the Bible, I became an atheist.
The point of the bible is to demonstrate the absolute evil and sinfulness of man. It is very much like a police report. If you actually read the bible and you missed that point, I don't know what to tell you.
Adam and Eve sin, their kid kills his brother, folks are at war all the time, famine comes and folks just get worse. Folks steal, kill, lie, cheat, look for loop holes, rape etc.... Great leaders become selfish adulterers....The whole point is to help us see what absolute shits mankind is....That is the point.
standwithfist806 When the bible instructs you how to do something (i.e. slavery, or murder, or war, or rape) it's not some story that has a moral. I seriously doubt you've actually read the entirety of the bible, probably just heard some priest give you the very few morally correct parts and say that's the whole thing.
Alex...well the bible instructed the Hebrew tribes in the OLD TESTAMENT
.......Notice those rules are directed towards the Hebrews SOLELY...NOT their neighbors...not all of mankind.
..Remember in 2nd grade? The teacher asked..."children when we read, we should know , who is speaking and who is the intended audience....Reading comprehension..101
lol...I'm so old...Alex, I'm laughing at your.."you probably havent read the whole bible thang"...I've read it so many times I know how stupid MANY of these comments are....
over on LUTHERAN SATIRE'S channel is a great 7 minute video on Old Testament covenant law, who it was intended for and more importantly; those law's time limits...The vid is called :" Horus Reads the Internet"...it might REALLY clear up some stuff if folks think that the old testament is STILL instructing us to stone folks and slay giants etc....
I was horribly bullied in school because of that ridiculous teaching. It was so bad that I started hiding on the roof of the school during every recess break. The mental/emotional damage from that has lasted well into my adult life. It is a disgusting thing to indoctrinate children with "turn the other cheek."
I taught my son to make fun of his tormentor and get people to laugh.
So true. The only kids that end up obeying that command are the most sensitive, vulnerable, helpless ones, the ones who have the right to fight back, and need to fight back the most. Turn the other cheek is the most worthless teaching in the entire new testament.
I grew up as the youngest child of a preacher for the Church of Christ, and this denomination is very literal in their interpretation of the bible. I am currently in the middle of my deconstruction of faith, being now a middle aged transman. I still live with family members who are devout Christians still, and the amount of times that my family has turned to me and told me that I am sinning and deserve to burn in hell if I don't "deny myself" and turn back to God...I am disgusted that a religion that DEMANDS cruelty to ones own family ever got any traction whatsoever in the world. It's crazy to think about. Even more sad that they don't see anything wrong with it. They even see it as morally righteous and GOOD. Betraying your own family for the sake of an invisible sky daddy is so disgusting!
What I find totally unbelievable it is the fact that after watching this video, some believers continue to defend their bibles. It is a perfect brainwashed job in their heads.
I'd suggest watching people of education. Scholars debates if God is real. Not ignorant pompous people who think because they have an opinion they should let everyone know it.
@@jeffsuede5413 Can you list me some debates you have seen
I am wrestling with these issues. Two of the best for theism would be Trent Horn and William Lane Craig. For atheism, Alex, Sam Harris, and I quite like Genetically Modified Skeptic.
Go beyond the Greek.
When I obtained an Aaramic and also Hebrew Version, all of a sudden it all started making sense.
have you ever read the bible or you have just been brainwashed by another atheist?
Even as a small child, I have wondered, whether the God who created the world so beautifully, is the same, who often described as so cruel in the Bible. Example: drowning babies in the Deluge. My English is not perfect - I am German, but I understand a lot from your videos. You speak very clearly. Thank you for your great work.
Your English is better than most Americans your age.
Simple thought. If water covered all the land, where did it drain off to? Why would God destroy all the animals and plants that had only been doing as he designed. Not a very well thought out plan from someone that could do anything
@@curtisclary9911 Are you actually questioning God, fool? Does a worm question the actions of a human? You are a worm!
@@strings-n-keys u are a judgemental hypocrite. Making God proud I see, with your kindness and reasoning - not.
@@tamradawn1732 I`m not judging, just stating the truth and truth always hurts as we know. Reasoning doesn`t work with your kind, the stupid kind. Oh believe me I`m doing you a favour. Telling the truth as it is IS kindness!
I find it interesting that a god, who loves us all with a love so deep, it is beyond human understanding, can yet think of so many lethal ways to punish us for any disobedience, or thoughts of disobedience, to his slightest command.
At least the followers of Yog-Sothoth don't claim so
“Punish us”. God is light. God is love. Love by definition is freedom. You were born with free will to choose. God aligns with your choices. God allows every choice you make repeatedly. You are punishing yourself by choice.
@@karyrodriguez6651 If you disobey a dictator and you get punished, you punished yourself!
*PLEASE READ ALL*
The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND.
I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Vedic Sanatan Dharma
-------------------------------------
* One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God
* No heaven, hell, satan or original sin.
* No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds
* Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS
* Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma.
* No prophets, angels or messengers
* No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls)
* Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God
* Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from.
* God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation.
* God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss
* God doesnt do miracles
* God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone.
* Even God is bound by His own laws.
That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form.
Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS.
GOD BLESS
Did you consider that he also took the lethal punishment of death and crucifixion for you and me? He isn't just standing by like a dictator, he came and suffered for you, that you wouldn't have to go through those lethal punishments, God is not just love, He is also justice, the rules are simple, you live by him, you'll never suffer, if you'll do sin(which is clearly wrong) then you reap the consequences, you and me broke the law, we have sinned, if he didnt care he'd have already destroyed all of us, he wouldn't have to send his son for the sake of mankind, but he did. Because he loves you and wants everyone to do right
Imagine a man is found to have tortured and killed his son. He is brought before a judge and says, “Well you see, I told my neighbor next door not to eat apples off my one prize tree but he listened to this demon disguised as a talking snake who talked him into eating them and I got really pissed. I cursed his entire family and told them to leave town but I really loved the guy and his family but I needed to have some retribution so I decided I would have my own son tortured and killed so I would have retribution. So now I felt I was paid what was due..
Oh You think I am a horrible person, sick and demented? Why not at all, for you see its not so horrible for I and my son are one and the same! That was me suffering like that as well as my son who is really me! Actually we are one and the same and, in fact, my son and I have existed for eternity and my son actually existed before his mother was born.
Now don’t believe these pagans who tell you evil came into the world when Pandora opened that forbidden box. Yup, that is a lie and pagan superstition but my story is true.
Now you must believe what I say as true even if it seems absurd to you ..believe it on something called “faith” which means you simply believe it without reason or facts. It’s a great virtue to think this way and a sin to think otherwise. And if it you don’t believe it, when you die I will send you into everlasting punishment..That’s right. I will punish you with everlasting fire. If you believe in me even if it makes no sense, well then you will be rewarded with everlasting bliss..no matter how many crimes you commit.
ke4uyp Brilliant!!
Imagine that ke4uyp could think and hold a thought. Maybe he might have lived and had a life. One thing for
sure, he never read the Bible.
Art3615 Did you even read the Bible? What he said was spot on.
@@Art3615 haha, good one! This comment section is full of fools haha
@@strings-n-keys
Yep!
And you're one of them...
But. It's not a fatal disease. You CAN recover...IF you value truth more than you do the DOGMA of your church.
Only a fool would bow a knee to a god who endorsed polygamy, concubinage, slavery, murder, homophobia and misogyny. The god of the Old Testament *DOES EXACTLY THAT!!*
Get the hell OUT while you still have a few working brain cells!!
Predestination was always my issue as a Christian. How could a loving God create and earth full of defective people and then punish them for being that way when he knew all along that they would be that way. The loving thing to do would be to not create them.
*PLEASE READ ALL*
The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND.
I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Vedic Sanatan Dharma
-------------------------------------
* One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God
* No heaven, hell, satan or original sin.
* No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds
* Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS
* Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma.
* No prophets, angels or messengers
* No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls)
* Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God
* Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from.
* God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation.
* God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss
* God doesnt do miracles
* God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone.
* Even God is bound by His own laws.
That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form.
Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS.
GOD BLESS
well predestination is a lesser held (by population of those who ascribe to that belief) view by calvinists and has very little scriptural support.
@@moo.7643 Could you elaborate a little more and explain your stance on predestination my friend?
I believe you are saying that just a little percentage hold the belief of predestination and not all. Well what would be your stance on the same and isnt the ORIGINAL SIN concept of the Bible an act of Predestination.
Doesnt the Bible say that God sent his only begotten son for others to be saved. Wasnt that predestined?
I mean I am not a Christian but have been reading and reasearching the 3 major religions of the world for the past 12 years.
Let me know of your beliefs my friend and if we could discuss our belief system against each other.
@@pitamahbhism5766 it's a bot. It just posts this exact comment everywhere
@@zombieblood1675 Thats what I think my friend. Such people are quick to make claims as if they have the ultimate Truth and answers to everything but when challenged to a debate or asked to prove their claim, all one gets is an eternity of silence.
The idea of eternal torture is the most immoral concept ever. I can think of worse ideas than the standard Christian Hell, but no idea in any religion I’m aware of is worse than Hell
The Bible never taught that. The Catholic church did because fear of eternal torture is an effective means of control.
@@EliseDoomSlayer
Let's go over some of the torture quotes:
Jude 1:7 Punishment of *eternal fire*
Mark 9:453 In Hell, the fire never goes out.
Matthew 13:42,50 blazing furnace with weeping and gnashing of teeth and
*Matthew 25:46 Eternal (αἰώνιον) punishment
2 Thesalonians 1:9 punished with eternal (αἰώνιον) destruction*
Revelation 21:8 a fiery lake , second death. Doesn't say whether it's eternal or not.
I am not saying there are no verses that contradict these, but eternal punishment is threatened in the Bible.
@@EliseDoomSlayer no
Not an idea, but a reality. Be very afraid!
The Norse hell is cool sounding, to me anyway. The place the chilled out oddballs go, away from wanna be bloodthirsty warriors in Valhalla. Always seemed a bit cold and clinical to me.
#9. Slavery. You forgot to mention that Jesus instructed slave owners not to take food with their slaves, rather to make the slaves wait to be fed. And how about "the angels of the Lord casting tares (weeds - unbelievers) on the flames of hell"? And then there are the horrors of Revelations. You could do another twenty on that chapter alone.
Could you please cite the verse?
@@guthrie_the_wizard He cannot obviously.
As a Catholic who is questioning their faith, I think that’s a good example of where understanding the context is important. Since it’s part of a parable, that line is simply meant to be descriptive rather than prescriptive. I absolutely feel there are problematic verses in the Bible, but don’t think that constitutes a fantastic example.
Revelation is pure crap.
Revelations is the most misunderstood book in the Bible. It’s author is a Jewish follower of Christ, and this book is an attack on two things, the Roman Empire( the beast is Nero) and was widely seen as such when it began to circulate, and the non-Jewish followers of Christ, thus the screed against “peoples who say they are Jews but are not”.
"Natural use of a Woman". Alex had me cracking up. The best way to debunk the bible is to just read the damn thing.
Amen! haha
That's absolutely true. That's how I ended up leaving. I had doubts and then I sat down and allowed myself to really read it. It was ten years after leaving when my uncle died due to the blood issue that I looked at the organization itself. Not what they say about apostates.
So true! That’s part of why I don’t believe anymore.
If only it was that easy. I've come across a lot of believers that regularly go to bible study. I'm pretty sure they are reading from it during these sessions but, for whatever reason, they continue to subscribe.
Dan H. His mind is in the gutter.
If creationists want the Bible taught in high school science classes then why not assign equal time to teach the bible controversy with John Cedars in Sunday school classes?
Fair?
Since the Book of Genesis contains 2 versions of the Judaic Hebrew Creation Myth, I propose we teach divergent myths from other cultures. How about the Piegan version of the Blackfeet Indian Creation Story versus the Blood version? Or how about we teach the Greek mythology creation story found in Hesiod's work and compare it with the Roman version found in Ovid's work? How about those Norse Sagas and Eddas, huh?
If Christians and Jews can teach their Genesis mythology in school then why can't we teach other creation myths? It's only fair.
no
They should really teach how to drive a car in science classes. Hell of a lot more useful than teaching fables in an fact and evidentiary setting.
@Daniel Paulson Curiosity killed a cat. Sometimes closed-mindedness is a good thing. Once you find the truth you hold on to it with all your might.
@Daniel Paulson Good luck with that, fool
I got into an argument with my dad in the 80's. He mentioned the concept of children being stoned for disobedience to their parents. He was taken aback when I handed him a stone. The Bible is one of the most abhorrent, sickening, and disgusting books ever written. The Book Of Mormon and the Koran are the other main two.
I'm going to let God, Jesus, Satan, Adam and Eve find a solution to their made up problem *Sin*, I have nothing to do with their dysfunctional family issues, leave me out of it. Lol
Gicu Doru First of all, Do you not know that the next level heaven you talked about is in your mind? I was in heaven (my mother's womb) and I'm going back to heaven again. I am not perfect, no one is, I was born to make mistakes, but a sinner I am not!
Level up! haha!
Where is heaven?
@@mrsbrownandhercat heaven is jammed full of "christians", come on over to Limbo, lots more fun.
Didine Anatol - Enjoy burning in hell then.
The bible should actually be called "The Goat Herders Guide to the Universe"
Hey John. Tell em! Tell em the names of all the goat herders that wrote the bible! Tell em John!
Oh you're an atheist
Name every goat herder
*PLEASE READ ALL*
The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND.
I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Vedic Sanatan Dharma
-------------------------------------
* One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God
* No heaven, hell, satan or original sin.
* No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds
* Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS
* Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma.
* No prophets, angels or messengers
* No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls)
* Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God
* Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from.
* God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation.
* God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss
* God doesnt do miracles
* God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone.
* Even God is bound by His own laws.
That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form.
Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS.
GOD BLESS
God protect us from true believers
Name one writer of the Bible who happened to be a goat herder.
As an ex Muslim and now an atheist I looked up all three religions and found nothing but bullshit and lies, thank you both of you for making it easier.
There are many more than three religions.
Every time I think about when God was invented, I picture a bunch of guys sitting around a campfire wearing animal skins saying stuff like , hey we"re loosing control of all these people what can we do ? one says perhaps we can take there focus off of us and put it on someone else that they might fear more then us and we will still have control without all the heat.
Who created the guys around the campfire? God is eternal he's always been.
The whole Bible is full of atrocities, misogyny, contradictions, inconsistencies and lies. How I, or anyone else, has ever taken it seriously as a moral guide, is unimaginable.
There are some good things about it yet most of them are abhorrent especially when it comes to God
The good done far outweighs any bad happenings in those places of charitable work. Shall we castigate,minimalize,or do away with schools,colleges,decent governments,and businesses because there are occasional acts of wrongdoing in those institutions/ work places? Don't throw out the baby with the bath water or fling dirty water on the baby!
@@howardfowler2255
The religious based 9/11 was not an "occasional act".
Neither were the crusades or Inquisition.
Neither were the Biblical instructions to "Stone to death Sabbath breakers, witches, adulterers, infidels and homosexuals", "occasional acts".
Neither was the Great Flood, which if real, killed millions, including innocent pregnant women, their fetus, toddlers and infants.
Biblically endorsed slavery was NOT an "occasional act"...from which grew and inspired slavery in the US and other countries!
Is this your avocation...to play down Biblical atrocities??
I didn't commit these acts of Biblical terrorism. I just point them out to give some balance to the whole BS, *feel good* narrative you Theists seem determined to shove down our throats as the ONLY reality!!
There's ALWAYS at least one other side to every story.
These acts *DO* OUTWEIGH the good that IS FOUND in the Bible.
In fact, the horrors of the Bible *OUTWEIGH* the good by a factor of at least 10 to 1!
Just ask the survivors of these religious-based atrocities!
WE didn't "throw out the baby with the bath water or fling dirty water on the baby". YOUR HOLY BIBLE DID THAT!!
Let's put the blame where it belongs!
@@howardfowler2255 I wouldn't say that the Bible is responsible for the good that Christians do. It's the inherent goodness that's ALREADY in their hearts that makes them focus on the positive verses in the Bible, and point to them as support for their good deeds. I know far too many Christians who gloss over the brutal and hateful parts of the Bible, and look at only the good parts. Doesn't mean it's a good book.
@@howardfowler2255 congratulations. Your religion has been drug through time for generations kicking and screaming about keeping it's sexist racist bigoted views and finally got to where it's at now. That's quite a nice polish job you did on that turd though. Still nothing near proof of the claims being true yet.
I knew the Bible was messed up, but I didn't know how messed up til now. I do feel I made the right decision in walking away from the church.
Kopkate: Because you want to do what you want to do, and a lot of people do just that. But is it what you or they ought to do?
It's not the right choice if it means walking away from Jesus. If your church teaches false doctrine - "another Jesus" "another gospel" by "another spirit" other than the Holy Spirit / The Spirit of Truth ; by all means leave deception. Pray and ask God for wisdom and spiritual discernment. There are doctrines of demons and seducing spirits to lead people astray. There are false prophets and false teachers. There will be much deception in the last days before Jesus returns. The world will pat you on the back and tell you that you made the right choice in leaving the church if it includes forsaking God, the Bible, and Jesus. Whose lies do you think their heads are filled with? Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers. Jesus came to rescue us out of the kingdom of spiritual darkness and make us born again through the power of God, adopted into the family of God in the kingdom of light. Jesus is the light of the world, but those that love the world don't come into the light. The Bible is the Sword of the Spirit; the spiritual weapon to be used against Satan. That is why he hates the Bible so much - and he wants all of us to be unarmed when he wars against us. The battle is not between God and Satan. Satan would be like a teaspoon of butter fighting against the sun - no contest. The war is between mankind and Satan. He has been here much longer and he is wiser, but God gives His children authority and power to overcome. In the natural realm, Jesus was stripped naked, spit upon, mocked, beaten, scourged, crucified. In the spiritual realm, Jesus conquered all the power of Satan over and over and over again. He always has and He always will. Jesus reigns supreme in the spiritual realm now. He will rule supreme in the natural realm when he returns.
I did when I actually read it chapter by chapter without anyone's else interpretation, that was the day I stopped believing watchtower.
Awesome.
@@johnreed4159 "Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers."
So it's all Satan's fault for making me a non-believer. Tell Jesus I said to tell Satan thanks.
Speaking of indoctrination / brainwashing: I noticed all these scriptures and many more that made no sense and felt all wrong from a very young age--but I was taught and believed "who was I to question god?" and gave over my reasoning to those interpreting the Bible --and the Bible itself. It was a circular loop of "logic" that kept me trapped in for decades. So glad to be free to decide what makes sense and is true to me--and yes "trust in my heart and lean on my own understanding."
>gave over my reasoning to those interpreting the Bible
I'm glad you put it that way too. Coz that's what it is. It's not giving over your reasoning to GOD, no, it's giving over your reasoning to OTHER IMPERFECT MEN (as if they can do a better job than us... because, because WHAT).
Why should anyone do that?! It's retarded. And i'd go further: To be treating men as if they are unquestionable Gods, is outright IDOLATRY.
roidroid, Agreed! I no longer give my reasoning over to anyone--including the men who write any book, including the Bible.
it's a good feeling to finally be able to stand up an say out loud the Emperor has no clothes
For me it started when I realized "The Bible is the word of God" *was a claim that needed proving.* It couldn't simply be blindly accepted _because there were other contradictory books claiming the exact same thing!_ I can't believe all of them!
MegaChickenfish, agreed.
I'm a simple man. I see Alex on the thumbnail, I click.
i cant understand how rational people still consider the bible a morality basis. wtf
lauren vega-cruz it is in the US. WTF indeed.
Lauren: And what do you use as a morality basis
@Ian M What's the matter, afraid you might hear something you don't want to hear. Namely the truth
Because the Bible is not how to be moral. If the Bible taught how to be moral man would be the hero of the Bible, instead their is only 1 hero in the Bible, God.
What I asked, Lauren, is what do you use as a morality basis??
I believe in Santa Claus because I was raised believing in Santa Claus. How do I know it's true? I just KNOW it's true. I mean MILLIONS of kids believe in Santa Claus, how can they all be wrong? He has books written about him and songs sung about him. Why would anyone bother doing that if he wasn't real? Besides, I don't want to live in a world where there IS no Santa Claus. He makes me feel SO good. Every year at Christmas he brings me toys and gifts and candy. It really gives me a sense of bliss. Me and my friends get together and have Christmas meetups and talk about how awesome he is and how good he makes us feel. Plus, one time I fell off my bike and hit my head and I saw him in my dream giving me the BEST present ever, so I know it was his way of saying to keep believing in him and that's the present I'll get next year. I just have faith that it's true. I also leave cookies out for him and when I wake up THEY ARE HALF EATEN!! I don't know what other kind of proof you would need!? I know people in other countries don't believe in Santa Claus or they believe in a different kind of Santa Claus, but that's just because that's how they were raised. I also hear stories about how throughout the year when it's not Christmas, supposedly Santa Claus is not that nice of a guy and he beats his wife and is a drunk, but I try not to focus on THAT stuff, I just focus on the good things he does once Christmas comes around and how he makes ME feel. I also jump around from city to city sometimes on Christmas. I try to find the BEST city where the Santa they talk about gives the best presents. So far, I really like Beverly Hills. I have just found that for me, that Santa really speaks to me and makes me feel the happiest. I tried rural Louisiana one time and it just wasn't for me. I feel bad for you that you don't get presents every year because you don't believe in him, but I guess to each their own. :-) May Santa bless you next year!?
Your convincing argument has converted me. Where can I be received into your church?
I hope no religious people use it, but I think some actually do.
You might be a genius.
Same could be said of evolution or the unscientific notion that "something came from nothing"....works as well.
Don't be fooled, this is a false prophet. See Santa is an anagram of Satan, who draws you in with presents and devours your soul with promises of a rich material world that's all you will want. It's dangerous man, don't fall for it.
Thank you, John Cedars, for these videos. I was indoctrinated (by JWs) as a child and disfellowshipped at age 17. I am now 58 and have been "shunned" my many family members for the past 40 years - unable to attend weddings, reunions or anniversary parties with my 11 siblings. I am also atheist as of the past 7 years or so. It really does take a very long time to "find that door" after being a witness for so long, even a disfellowshipped one. I enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!
Are you kidding? You have 11 siblings! 😱Do Christians have this much of kids? 😱I have 1 sister.
Thank you for slogging through this rubbish. People generally think all the crapola is confined to the Old Testament. Wrong.
Riff McClavin destroys the “New Covenant” argument.
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I would be very careful with your words. Especially calling the New Testament "crapola", and calling New Testament scriptures "rubbish."
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WHY be careful??
The NT has been PROVEN to be *crapola" AND "rubbish".
By their FRUITS shall they be known!!
Look no further than the atrocities of the Inquisition and Crusades...the burning of witches and the current persecution of gays....ALL OF IT based on the N.T. Bible...correctly or incorrectly, the result is the SAME!!
@@42apostate This is an arguement that is commonly used. I would equate this argument to saying that all athiests will end up like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, etc.
And you and I know that this is obviously not true..
Bible. the users manual for abusive relationships.
Oh come now. That's not all it's good for. It's great for those who wish to start genocide, too . . .
ttrev007 the word 'love' is mentioned nearly 200 times in the new testament.
Love said, but without actions, is meaningless.
JonSnuhhhhhhhhh abusive partners also use the word love too, doesn't mean they do not abuse. It is not even that it is wholly bad it is that it is worshiped like it is perfect when in reality it is a old collection of books written by many flawed men. I personally like parts of the book the shows a proto-humanist Jesus. But, other parts are just abusive and evil.
ttrev007 nope. maybe read the new testament. there's nothing abusive in there. it's all love.
Matthew 5:31 I'm screwed. My wife was married before, her 1st husband committed adultery and left her. I guess she as not supposed to remarry. Oh well.
You can t remarry but can commit fornication with a new woman. So go to it and have fun.
Don't worry about it.
Yes a bad belief. This could leave woman stuck in abusive relationships. Woman have left that I know in that kind of relationship. Their happily remarried. According to the Bible they are sinner and committing adultery. It is time to let the past go in these books and move forward to a better thinking. From Buddhist/Agnostic Lee.
It's so plainly obvious that the scriptures were written to ensure people conformed, were obedient and gave money. Funny how God always needs cash!!! Great video guys.
Andrew What would God need money for????
@@thomastompkins7698 what would God need praise for?
Yes, you'd really wonder how He survived for an eternity without our puny help!
They aren't called profits just because it sounds like prophets.
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” - Matthew 6:24
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
― Epicurus
@Steve he has a point....
So this god dude, gets in a really snippy mood and decides to make people he can really hate on. He pre-plans their whole lif, they get no say in any of it. Then they live out this life according to the plan and when they die, it's like 'Hey, you didn't have a choice, but because you didn't choose to serve me, you have to be punished now.'
And this is a 'loving' god.
Yes. If he exists sign me up for hell
First of all, god does not hate anyone, he loves us all, second god gives free will to everyone, every choice you make, you choose that choice yourself he doesn’t force you to do anything or control your life, and he gives u a choice you can either be with him in happiness or you can choose to be on the side of the devil, but don’t get mad when you die and he invites you into his area of hell, how will you blame god for your torturing when you’re the one who chose to be tortured by the devil because in the after life there’s two sides, God’s side or devils side and in your life with your free will you decide which part you’ll be on. And my advice to you is pick the lords side because then you’ll truly feel happiness.
@@mpelite5527 Please. When Pharoah didn't let the Israelites go because God hardened his heart, was that him exercising free will? No. He was probably punished for it to. I don't understand the bending and twisting that religious people do to try to make contradictions align.
God doesn't send us to hell. We have our own free will we choose to sin an do unholy things. God is the judge ND he hates sin but lives us. That's why Jesus died for us so we can be saved.
@@jemts5586 pharaoh still had free will. God just hardened his heart because his heart was already against God. Kinda like a trial an tribulation thing
In grade school in the U.S. I had a friend that was a Jehovah's Witness. In 5th grade a teacher called this student out and told him he was going to hell, in front of the whole class, because his religion was a cult. This basically gave all the other Christian students the green light to beat the crap out of him during recess. And they did.I knew this was wrong as a 5th grader, and hated that teacher and the other students for what they did. I regret not standing up to that teacher and telling her she was wrong. This was one of my earliest lessons on the evils of religion.
byron2521 , earliest lesson with the beast, herd behavior, with religion riding it. Doesn’t take religion to make a mob, just a bunch of people needing a scapegoat.
and the funniest part was they both believed in the same god
My parents are ultra-strict fundamentalist Baptists, my father a Baptist minister, in fact. This is the sort of thing that they justify and uphold as good things, rather than recognizing the pure malice of a moral code that shuns most forms of sexuality, but embraces genocide, torture, arson, abuse, slavery, and other forms of violence.
Oh, and human sacrifice, of course.
Yeah my parents said they'll kill me if God says so....
The damage that does to a child is concerning.
I have always thought that the bible was so against women, I would even go far to say that the bible is very sexist towards women. I feel like women especially in the congregation of Jehovah Witnesses are very limited to what they can do in the Kingdom Hall. Also I don’t quite understand why a Jehovah Witness woman has to wear a covering over their head when their husband does a prayer. My mum used to have to do it when my stepdad was saying a prayer even though she was going out on the field service more times than he was and she was a better Jehovah Witness than him.
In the book study (about 10 years ago) my husband was not allowed to read because he went too few hours from house to house. Then an older sister had to read with a headscarf. My husband sometimes had only three hours - that was too little for the elders.
It is a command in the Bible that women cover their heads before men and to keep silent in church. If they have a question ask their hisbands later at home. It is a shitty book written by men for men.
The covering is Christ. People have uaed the Bible to demean women
@@helixmoore7636 the entire bible demeans women, and only after death in heaven are they equal to men.
Jesus never refuted all the horribly oppressive and disgsuting treatment in the OT under "god's perfect law" as he called it. He never took a few minutes to say women are men's equal. He chose 12 men and not one woman.
@Chris Stols , oh my. That's hard pass. But thanks for the offer. haha!
Doesn't the terrible idea of number 19 contradict number 18? Suppose your parents decide to worship in a different way and command their children to do so. The children should turn against their parents according to number 19 but be killed if they disobey according to number 18. How does anybody decide what to do?
Jesus plays Good Cop to Yaweh's Bad Cop, like a charming narcissist (only I could love someone as dirty, broken and worthless as you, and I love you so much I will kill you if you don't love and obey me no matter how absurd and contradictory my demands)--but the result is the same: a few are saved and the rest are damned / destroyed. So loving.
Abigail Parker: never thought about it quite that way, thanks! So god has his favorites as does jesus--like any other narcissist, having their golden child (children) and all the rest are just scapegoats, to denigrate and even destroy. Wow, that is a wonderful way to consider it! Well, wonderful in a horrible way...but insight is always wonderful.
Jillian Smith & Abigail Parker - Yes I agree, excellent point. I often think of the bible god as a psychopath. But you're right - he (also) fits the exact template of a narcissist. I guess that says a lot about the people who invented him.
Whatever the label, the god of the Bible sure isn't Love.
Agreed, he is definitely not Love.
You don't seem to understand the Christian worldview...Evil, rebellious, and wicked would be better words...And nowhere in the Bible does God call someone worthless, everyone has worth because they are made in his image...
We are incapable of loving & obeying God in our sinful state, so it doesn't follow that he threatens us to love him...he simply rips out the believer's heart of stone and gives them a heart of flesh...No more desiring trite, sinful, selfish, absurd things that rebel against the Creator...The believer has joy in the Creator...the relationship restored.
God is under no obligation to save anyone (remember evil, rebellious and wicked), and yet he does. So yes, laying down his life for the rebel sinner is very loving...That's why it's called "Amazing Grace." It saved a wretch like me...once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see.
If you're searching for God...Don't look beneath you. Look above.
This religion which has pretty much harmed everywhere it touched which is almost worldwide thanks to the fact that Europe oppressed/colonized everywhere but five nations.
A like your style of critique. It's factual rather than feelings and respectful rather than disrespectful. I think more people are likely to listen to what is said and take to heart.
I wouldn’t say “factual”. I would describe them as sciolists. While they may seem respectful because of their tone, they are being dishonest by not actually digging into the meanings of the verses.
Although I don’t think they are intentionally ignoring the meanings of what they are reading. They just don’t know.
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@@yibbs .......... Right! They're wrong, but you know what all the verses really mean, and you won't tell us.......... Got it!
Why are all the anti religion videos just now getting spammed with religious propaganda ads?
Also, vessels of wrath? Awesome name for a thrash metal band!
The beauty is that the money paid for them go into Alex and John's pocket.
I like “righteous satan”, though “vessels of wrath” is nice too. All the satans of the bib’el get a bad name for just doing their jobs.
All this religious spam indicates how desperate religions are to hold on to their control and income.
They are not blind. They can see their control slipping away...
IOW...It's a GOOD sign!
Davey Jones , shallow sign that symbolizes deception. Your vision misses a global reality that the religious procreate prolific like as the educated west doesn’t. The religious WILL inherit.
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What they "inherit" won't be the beautiful thing you delusionally THINK it will be.
Hopefully, the only thing that will be hurt by the crash of the corporate religious scam will be the tender feelings of the followers of these spiritually based frauds. AND. The clerics will be forced to find new jobs. (aw.w.w. poor widdo booboos!)
Hopefully jobs that will be more *productive* this time.
I can accept that Christians generally don't interpret the bible literally in practice, but then, which of the thousands of interpretations is correct? Am I supposed to play spiritual roulette?
Give your riches to the poor. Then again you can beat your slaves. Only the rich have slaves. So make up your mind. A god that confuses people.
fuckin' bible = book of lies violence obscenities etc.
Despite being all powerful Jehovah/Yahweh/Allah needed to hoard all gold, silver, jewels, and other wealth from conquered civilizations and hypocritically preached about mercy yet murdered thousands of innocent people including children.
_And what did he do with all those captured virgins?_
he instructed the Hebrews to shave their head so everyone knew they were off limits...eek...go read yer bible....
Ordered to keep the virgins for the men--sex slaves, basically.
This comment is probably the most stupid one so far. Wow! How thick are you
@@strings-n-keys You obviously didn't read the old testament then. Because that's what they did in it.
About that last one....God just seems like a bad, abusive boyfriend to me.
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God exists! He is the light people see in the near death experiences. Love and take care from Buddhist Lee.
@@leegleissner9771 you do know people from different religions have different near death experiences right? Believe what you want, but you've no more proof with that then any other religion. If everyone had the exact same experience it still wouldn't be proof. The plural of antidote is not data
*PLEASE READ ALL*
The Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma is the ONLY TRUTH AND HAS THE ANSWERS FOR ALL OF MANKIND.
I dont mean the modern day Hinduism when I say Sanatan Dharma. I mean the Vedic Sanatan Dharma.
Vedic Sanatan Dharma
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* One formless Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God
* No heaven, hell, satan or original sin.
* No forced faith or belief in a personal God but God does justice via the natural laws of justice based on ones deeds
* Recognises all mankind as one big family of HUMANS
* Requires all mankind to remain as righteous humans in thoughts, words and deeds as per dharma.
* No prophets, angels or messengers
* No conversion and all are born as Sanatan (Eternal souls)
* Salvation is guaranteed upon perfecting ones deeds and experiencing an eternity of bliss becoming one with God
* Vedic scriptures have no history whatsoever and is just full of an eternity of knowledge as a kickoff point for mankind to know and prosper from.
* God doesnt forgive Sins and one has to reap the fruits of ones deeds but gives an eternity of chances to perfect oneself by undergoing births and deaths until one perfects itself and worthy of salvation.
* God doesnt have human like emotions of anger, jealousy, hate, revenge, discrimination etc etc and neither God gets affected by anyones acts. God remains in an eternity of Bliss
* God doesnt do miracles
* God doesnt change, bend or break his own laws or laws of nature for anyone.
* Even God is bound by His own laws.
That is the Vedic Satya Sanatan Dharma in a nutshell in point form.
Anyone who wishes to know more or discuss it in indepth then PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MESSAGE ME AND DISCUSS.
GOD BLESS
@@pitamahbhism5766 Sounds good and may be a good way to live, however, where is your evidence that this "God" exists? How were these so called truths given. I will be a sceptic till I am visited personally along with all humans on earth by this God who says, "here I am and these are my truths". Until then I will remain skeptical of everything.
Do you have any evidence for that claim?
The middle east - the origin of holy shit.
Well apparently their holy shits managed to gain adherents amongst more than 50% of the human population, so they must be doing something right.
They mainly spread their shit through war.
Some Dude They reproduce at a faster rate that people in Europe, and im guessing that its the same case with america. Thats why its 50% or some other percentage (i dont know the exact number).
Some Dude conquest and forced conversion..they we're really good at that
Right. They are doing something right in spreading it
god hardening the heart of the pharaoh debunks the idea of god wanting us to have freewill.
tell me exactly how did God harden the pharoah's heart
@@PG-rt7os actually that's a bad interpretation. A hardened heart is in other areas of the bible too. It does not mean that God physically took action to harden his heart. But that God hardened his heart as in the idea of God hardened his heart. Because so many do not want to accept God and so the mention of him hardens their heart. I could use that same kind of speech today. Say I know my neighbour dislikes me and he gets angry when I am mentioned to him or something. I could say I cause him to be angered (I harden his heart) It doesn't mean I am physically making something change within him.
I married a JW and he beat the snot out of me weekly for 7 yrs. I was raised Catholic and we found middle ground at the Christian church. All these religious people including my family stood by and watched this for 7 long years. I discovered paganism and found the support and courage to throw him out! The bible and church are disgraceful!
Those are not true followers of christ. There's a huge diffrence between religious people. And followers of christ. I hope you are doing better. Godbless.
Predestination kind of reminds me of Braveheart. The king orders the archers to fire into the melee. A soldier objects saying “won’t they hit our own men?” The king replies “yes, but they’ll hit theirs as well.” Heartlessly using people as pawns with no worth.
I finally got too weary having to leave my brain at the door of a church before I entered.
Yeah because you`re too thick
@@aLIMAK "I make peace and I create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
--Isaiah 45:7 KJV
The Bible sucks but a number of things like turn the other cheek didn't mean to just take violence in stride, we need to understand the culture of the Middle East back then to understand what the authors meant. Which in my mind is one of the best lines of evidence for the Bible having nothing to do with a god.
#17 41:37 this account always confused me. basically someone died in the house and instead of reporting it they just put the person in a body bag and put them in a tomb without anyone knowing. then they did it a second time. i think anyone hearing this story would have assumed peter murdered them and his accomplices were the clean-up crew. even if the people dropped dead right in front of them, the authorities would have investigated things.
i think this account and many others lend credence to the idea that much if not all of the bible is a collection of fictional works like game of thrones, only with more violence and sex and profanity.
lol people didnt go to morgues those days, you died today you are buried today lol
I totally disagree. GOT makes sense and is internally consistent
Thank you so much for putting this together. When we are told this is a Christian country I can now say in horror, “I hope not!”
Have you seen Alex's video on America being a "Christian country"?
01 10 watch CosmicSkeptic's video, though, and see what you think. You might like it. And most of his videos are less drawn out and tedious than this one, at least in my opinion.
01 10 The USA is not now, never was, and never will be "a Christian nation." That was the intention of its Founders, who were Deists and despised the Chrisrian Bible (rightly so).
SwiftJustice2020 That's a common misconception touted largely by Christian revisionists. Washington paid lip service to the local church, but inwardly despised the Christian faith.
Poor Critter how so?
Hm..
Okay, I'm convinced, I'm going to watch every episode of Alex's channel and think about my religion.
Now that I look at it, it sounds crazy. ._.
Funny how 90% of things atheist questioned, I questioned too, just never took them seriously due to my father saying "Children are young and naive, and don't think logically.."
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What a world we live in.
How did you get on?
@A-18 update?
well, if you listen to atheist haters and decide to believe them, that's your choice but if you really want to know what's the bible about i strongly recommend you The Naked Bible Bile Podcast with the scholar Dr. Michael Heiser or William Lain Craig's page Reasonable Faith.
Worshipping and espousing primitive ignorance is always a terrible idea.
"What is worse than death"? you ask. That's easy, eternal life!
Sorry the scriptures offer no one eternal life.
@@stevenlast2168 John, 3, 16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life".
Eternal life means your happiness and peace never end, and that you are part of Heaven forever and ever. Deep down in our hearts we all know that eternity exists, all of our thoughts and consciousness don’t die when our bodies do. We have souls that God back to God. Jesus loves you man, always will
@@yonathank132 I always distrust people who claim to know what I think "deep down in my heart!"
Sorry, Steven. Don't want it.
you must believe me or believe me, i will torment you because
I'm everywhere, all good, know everything, and can do anything because i'm all powerful.
Wait what ?!?
Why don't you just create the way you wanted it, or just atleast have an idea for a build-in believe system in those human?
Never has an hour passed so quickly !!
A priest is requested to undergo a random breath test. The cops says sorry sir you have a positive reading. The priest looks up to heaven and says ohh Jesus you did it again.
How does anyone fully understand the Bible when the Bible as it is is not as it was? The conference of Constantinople sat down and had books removed from the bible and wanted all the removed books destroyed. If you don't have the complete work how do you make a truly informed decision and not a brainwashed decision? Also one question that was never answered was again on why Judas was damned, he was used as a pawn.
At last a video which exposes the real awfulness of the New Testament.
I’m glad I’m not alone in finding this book, along with the Old one, utterly objectionable.
You mean the video is just cherry-picking?
Btw, someone did a response to it.
@@misterauctor7353 Where’s the response do you know?
well, if you listen to atheist haters and decide to believe them, that's your choice but if you really want to know what's the bible about i strongly recommend you The Naked Bible Bile Podcast with the scholar Dr. Michael Heiser or William Lain Craig's page Reasonable Faith.
Really interesting one, thanks guys. Youwork well together and it's intensely interesting to watch. Alex has quite the brilliant mind. Merry Christmas to you all xxxx
(13:14).....death may be the terminal punishment, yet a person may according to scripture be resurrected. Worse than death? Not hell fire torment, but being cast into Gehenna or the Lake of Fire meaning everlasting destruction from which there is no hope of return, no hope of a resurrection. In that sense death is not considered the worst punishment as the complete annihilation as described in Rev 20:14 and Rev 21:8 is more permanent and everlasting.
The greatest villain in all of fiction.
These are some reasons why some Pastors and preachers priest didn't like people in their church reading to much of the bible
Im,' on my lunch break and enjoying this video. So many good points and food for thought. I also appreciated the point Alex mentioned, when he said you make a vow to the person you married, not to the person who now shows an entirely different side of themselves and presents themselves as someone entirely different. (paraphrased)... Thanks to both of you for your videos...
Aka Perez
Good point. People change. Even, and especially those close to you. In fact, the closer you started out with someone, the more painful the changes.
It's still the same person you married. Don't matter if there character changed or not. These guys take everything out of context.
After my waking up you two became my favorite UA-camrs so it's so cool to see you together discussing such a topic. Even though it was 2 years ago I'm happy to find it now
This is one of the most amazing honest videos. It just makes sense. Thank you for this. My thoughts exactly
I spent several years working in a state mental hospital and I worked with a woman who gouged out her right eye due to that verse in Matthew. She also had bit off one of her fingers, but it was never totally clear if that was also religiously motivated.
Either way, I watched her for years fervently praying for her illness to be relieved.
I also watched countless other patients doing the same (praying for relief). It was very sad to see them spinning into despair because all their lives, they've been told to pray for help and that God always answers prayer, yet they sink further as they feel a hopeless sense of abandonment.
You get a lot more that don't feel abandoned . So the point is ?
A case is a case. You just told something, nothing more.
Religion is one thing, Truth is quite another. Jesus didn't say "Religion will set you free"
Alex is so calm
When people try to justify slavery in the bible by saying things like "god couldn't abolish slavery because people wouldn't be ready for it." I remind them that this is supposed to be a god who created the entire cosmos out of nothing more than his wish for it to exist. You're not allowed to use the words "god couldn't" and you lose the argument the moment they pass your lips.
Acts 5:1-11 What in the world did they teach you in Kingdom Hall? Ananias an Sapphira were not killed for withholding money, they were killed for lying to the God You are either speaking in ignorance or your being downright deceitful. This has nothing to do with money.
Would they have been killed for lying about what they had for dinner? or were they only killed for lying about how much money they owed god?
wawuglio that’s true, I thought the same. It was not about the money, it was because they lied and deceived
What about all the other verses ??
You stuck on 1 , so everything else can be lies it doesn t matter ?
The owner of this channel was never a Jehovah's Witness, because even if you were and you felt mislead by the organization, you would NOT misunderstand and ridicule the bible
@Jiggy One A just God. Jesus said "God is a Spirit. They that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Great job guys! Thank you for this.
I had forgotten how many things I objected to and suffered from in our church. Thank you for the summary!
11th Commandment: Thou shall wait 1/2 hour after eating before thy may go swimming.
12th Commandment: It is ok to own humans as slaves as long as they are forced to worship me.
13th Commandment: That is enough for now I shall drum up some more commandments later after I laugh at the trouble you are having keeping these commandments.
What are you on about?
This was like being at a book study meeting but this time it is really interesting for once :)
Great vid guys
Ex JW? LoL
You mean its like being at a bible study and the bible is actually being studied
Mr. Unicorn look up Webster's 1828 for the definition of unicorn please and follow the evidence.
ILOVE YOU...knows a thang or two about 1 and 2 horned rhinos........
If you want, and I seriously doubt that, real Bible study, you should engage in it yourself. These scholars are taking verses out of context and even then they interpret it terribly wrong. Like torment... God wants the people to suffer with plague, war and food shortage. God wants people to repent and the authority is given according to their own choice not to respect the giver of peace, health and food. So basically people say to God you don't exist and we don't want you but sure we like peace, health and food. So yes, God is having enough but still is open for people to repent, which they don't. Rebellious lot is mankind. That is a fact.
I can confirm I never said this nonsense!!!
blaim Josephus!!!!
Oh in that case.... PRAISE JESUS!
@Anirban Chakrabarti yes i tried shrooms once when i first entered Jerusalem...i was tripping balls
The new testament is the worst book I have ever read.
Just wait til you read the old testament
You did good jobs to read the whole New Testament in detail. There are many bad translations and wrong interpretations of the Bible. I am sympathetic for you being bullied in your childhood or your mother's divorce. The both of you are very handsome and intelligent. Do you know why you are handsome and intelligent. God, your Creator blessed you so much to be handsome and intelligent. God is merciful even to those who are ungrateful. Most of us enjoy amazing gifts and benefits from God: air, water, cars, computers, robots. If we made robots and the robots were rebellious against us, we can destroy the robots. God is patient, long-suffering. God does not want anybody to perish but to repent and to go to heaven. Usually the unrepentant criminals in prisons blame judges or victims. But repentant prisoners try to change their life-styles. When I found myself a sinner recognizing my heart full of evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, and slander (Matthew 15:19), the death and resurrection of Jesus became good news of great joy to me. I hope that you will realize the good news of Jesus for yourself, too. May God bless you!
You two are the dream team. This is fascinating ... thank you.
The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband..., 1 Cor. 7:4
Sick & twisted.
just a little out of context there, don't you think? you did not quote the entire verse. Was that intentional? Not to mention out of context with the whole passage.Why worry about it? If you don't want to follow the teaching of Jesus and his followers, then don't. Your choice. You can always follow the principle of Do What Thou Wilt from Aleister Crowley or Anton Szandor LaVey, right? After all, if Methodological and Philosophical Naturalism are true, then it really doesn't matter a hell of a lot, does it?Jesus was just some illegitimate, kid, right? He was just the son of a carpenter, right? He was just one more in a long line of religious cult leaders, right? After all, religion is useless, right? Unless, of course, it's the religion of Naturalism / Secular Humanism / Atheism? Those are all so meaningful to our souls, right?Jesus, just a mere man? How on earth did this mere man (starting as a carpenter and only peaching & teaching for 3 1/2 years before being railroaded in a farce trial and plotted against by both religious and civil authorities) have such an effect upon the world we live in? He didn't really do miracles and have power over supernatural demons and the natural body, did he? Legend? Liar? Lunatic? or Lord? I'll go with the later and continue to believe him in a world full of naysayers.
Tyndalic, do you think it might be a little sick and "twisted" to quote half a verse that seems to support your argument, while dishonestly ignoring the other half that brings the perfect balance to marital relationships? Now why do I say "dishonestly? Because a slightly more honest way to cite your verse would have been, "1 Cor 7:4a." For those who'd like to know what you omitted, it was this: "and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife." 1 Cor 7:4b.
"Whosoever smite thee on the right cheek must work in mysterious ways"
Most hate for woman or atleast a lot comes from this Bible
Thank you for laying down all of these so clearly. I thought of all of these texts and ideas for years without being able to explain or defend them. I also thought "what kind of God is this?", and left.
Did you have a relationship with Jesus Christ?
...I attend a local church in my decimated community of Paradise California...I have studied other philosophies deeply (namely Advaita Vedanta and Buddhism) and traveled extensively, living in Europe for decades. My conclusion is simple: Love all sentient beings, be kind to yourself, your community and the planet and be of selfless (no thanks, favour or renumeration is expected or required) service to others as other is none other than Self... Self is whole (Holy)
We often hear or read, "we are One" ... separation (duality) clearly shows opposites define each other. Cop and robber are two sides of a single coin. And, clearly, no word, concept or idea is the absolute truth. We may call it a tree but a tree simply Is and you, simply, Are...
The truth, by definition, is that which cannot/does not change. Therefore, the entire cosmos is only relative, not absolute for every"thing" is in a constant state of flux/flow and on its way out.
Could what we truly are be that which is unchanging, beyond boundaries, definition and all, so-called, dimensions of space/time?
Good "pointers" may be stillness... silence...space... emptiness
This was brilliant!! Thank you so much for making this video. Over the past 7 or 8 months, I have literally been asking most of these questions, word for word, (though not in such cool accents *smile*). Thank you for letting me know that I am not crazy. I am not some unbalanced, emotional woman. Others have the have questions. Thank you, again.
Good stuff guys. Brilliant video. As a Muslim, these are often the exact points I and others bring up to Christians. It is truly astounding that not only do most not know about these verses, or care about their implications, but after being pointed out, they resort to "well you don't have the 'Holy Spirit'" i.e., apparently we cannot "see" the message because some spirit hasn't "touched" us.
Ignorance, denial, and delusions are a helluvadrug.
Thanks for the upload.
So you're an atheist Muslim?
Knowledge is Power. Thank you for your hard work, helping many people including me. The more i learn, the more i feel free.
The Bible again and again Contradicts itself! Great Video!
there are no contradictions in the Bible, only misinterpretations. The Bible is the true word of the living God. Be very afraid!
The bible is the book of confusion.
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They are only contradictions if you insist on seeing it as anything other than an anthology of the imperfect writings of a range of ancient writers. That's a problem for Christians - one which most deny even exists.
At this point in life, I am more interested in what these writings tell us about those ancient peoples and the world they lived in. I really could care less about the religious arguments.
@@ems7623 what is a contradiction to you?
Re. #3, Jesus instructed the rich man to give up his money in order to follow him, because the rich man loved money more than he loved God. Folks who place the Divine Father above all else could have money so long as it didn’t interfere with their connection with God...
I can imagine the "have no thought for the morrow" sermon being told right before the offering plate being passed around. With all these people wandering what to do with all this money they don't need for the future, the church answers "you may as well just give it to us."
This guy Alex is a great guest, very insightful. You should have him on more often.
If you haven't already, I'd recommend checking out Alex's channel: Cosmic Skeptic.
The problem I have always had about the story of Jephthah is that he was considering a human sacrifice no matter what.
I mean I guess a goat could wander out of the door of his house, since people back the did live in the second story above their livestock, but that was usually the way poorer people lived. Jephthah was fairly wealth, so I can't imagine he lived above his livestock.
Still, would a goat or ram be coming out to greet you? It seems more likely that he had servants and expected any of those servants to come out to greet him.
Would that be any better? He was willing to sacrifice any human that came out to greet him. That's sick.
I don't want to worship any god that is going to accept, much less demand a human sacrifice. This is the kind of crappy behavior that christians attribute to devil worshippers and other cults. Any religion based on the bible is as bad if not worse than any cult or devil worshippers if they follow that bible at all.
In [Deuteronomy 12:31] and [Micah 6:6-8] sacrifices of humans are clearly shown as abhorrent to the Lord. Also Jephthah’s daughter requests leave to think on her virginity, see
[Judges 11:38]. Then in the following verse she fullfilled the vow and it tells what the sacrifice was. That she never knew a man.
Could you do a similar video about the "Quran"?
Great video.
They can't unless they lie about the Quran.
@Jubei Yang oh how did you come to this conclusion? did you study it or just blindly believe what you hear from haters and ignorant people?
I advice you to investigate it your self then judge it ..is that fair?
The Quran is the only book on the face of the earth that offers true salvation.
Only sincere truth seekers can understand its wisdom.
@@auzdeee Why assume that a person who thinks the Quran is full of lies hasn't already read it? Are you here to watch a video about the bad parts of the Bible, thinking that you're own holy book is flawless?? The irony.
No they are too scared.
As a muslim I believe with bible revealed to Jesus peace be upon him but it have been changed over time by people in power to suite them
oh my god (pun intended) i've been arguing with religious people about predestination for like 20 years now! this is literally the first time i've seen someone else talk about it. i eye roll every time i hear that "god gave everyone free will" crap. and instead of a game, like you compared it to, i always argue that if he knows all and knows the beginning and the end, then there's no way anyone has free will and this is just one big soap opera that he's dvr'd and seen 1000 times already. then i'd argue the fact that if people do have free will then there's no way that this "knows all" god knows everything. 1. the biggest of sinners changes his ways and starts believing.. what, is god like " ***GASP***whoa, i DID NOT see that coming!!" or is he like "yeah, i already knew that was gonna happen... why? CAUSE I KNOW EVERYTHING HAHAHA! i've seen this movie a billion ti.. errr, i have a plan my children....." makes no sense. 2. if you authored a book, you are the creator of the characters in that book and you know exactly how the book ends because... well, you wrote it! at NO POINT in that book can one of the characters do something different and go on another path that isn't the one that the author gave him. sure, you can say that all the characters in the book can make their own choices/write their own ending all you want but they can't. the book is already written! it's usually about that time when a believer would hit me with the "god works in mysterious ways.. nobody can understand his divine plan" speech. smh
Good insight into anti-slavery possibly leading to freedom from mental slavery to the God in one's head, but a pro-slavery religion was also much easier for the ruling class to adopt.
Funny how some atheists can criticique with intelligence when adherents to the word cannot. These gentlemen are tops, and they have taught me much in this video.
#1 about the silence of women in the congregation: this is rule #1 in my husband's church, a small and rural independent Church of Christ. I'm a lifelong atheist and skeptic but attended with him for 5 months after we were married, just to try to fit in with his family (guess how that worked out). I questioned why women had no role other than to work in the nursery and to teach the kiddie classes and got the reason given in #1. That answer was no answer for me and I closed the conversation with wondering why any self-respecting modern woman can belong to such a church. We never broached the subject again.
I also asked how a woman could ask a question or voice a concern: turns out she is to have her husband ask and, if she's not married, she is to ask through any man. Very strange.
AdrienneAce Male dominated writers setting up a male dominated deal. How in the world do you and hubs have anything in common?
I'm a christain and that dies seem strange. I'll have to dig deeper to find the explanation alot of times these things get ripped outta context
The turn the other cheek scripture always made my jw friends giggle as children. We used to say it was our butts, and “turn the other cheek”.
A lot of people don’t want to progress. They want to regress back into the old ways