Mass Effect 3 - How to Unlock the Final Speech Options with the Illusive Man
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- In this video, I’m going to show you how to unlock those pesky greyed out options during the final conversation with The Illusive Man in Mass Effect 3.
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0:00 Introduction
0:49 What to Do to Unlock It
2:31 1st Speech Check (Mars Archives)
3:25 2nd Speech Check (Thessia)
4:31 3rd Speech Check (Cronos Station)
5:31 4th Speech Check (Citadel)
6:08 5th Speech Check (Citadel)
6:39 6th Speech Check (Citadel)
8:03 Paragon Speech Ending
9:38 Renegade Speech Ending
10:33 Failing Everything... The Illusive Man Wins
11:16 Conclusion
Unlike every other speech check in the game, the final conversation choices are not unlocked through Shepard’s reputation score alone. Instead, they are based on a combination of Shepard’s reputation and your past dialogue choices with The Illusive Man throughout Mass Effect 3.
The basic idea is that the Illusive Man is thoroughly convinced his course of action is correct due to being indoctrinated, and the only way Shepard can break through the indoctrination is by consistently arguing the same point in every conversation with The Illusive Man.
So how does this work in gameplay terms? Prior to the final speech check, there are six other conversation checks with the Illusive Man in Mass Effect 3.
-One on Mars
-One on Thessia
-One on Cronos Station
-And three more on the Citadel with Anderson during this same conversation
The first three speech checks are hidden behind the “investigate” dialogue tree, so a good rule of thumb when speaking with the Illusive Man is to always choose conversation options from the left side of the dialogue tree when they are available.
You also need to choose the same morality option in every one of these speech checks - so in other words six paragon dialogue choices or six renegade ones respectively. If you choose a mixture of paragon and renegade options when speaking with the Illusive Man then you will not unlock the final speech check. You need to remain consistent.
Also be sure to boost your reputation score throughout the game. If you are only completing main story mission and skipping side content, then there’s a good chance your reputation score will be too low to pass the speech checks on Thessia, Cronos Station and/or the Citadel. Reputation points are gained by completing quests and speaking with people. - Ігри
“If I had a nickel for every time I charmed the main antagonist to shoot themself, I'd have two nickels - which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.” -Paragon Sheppard, probably
That's from phinese and ferb! God I loved that show
I know, I played the trilogy for the first time and as soon as I saw the illusive man looking all reaper synthetic, I was like yep, this is Saren all over again.
@@reffa2858 also in the citadel too
I played like 70% renegade and it kinda just happened... I'm pretty sure this video is incorrect.
@@ichigokurosaki8523 Which episode? :D
Shepard is really good at talking people into suicide
basically the wet dream of the average twitter user
@@d.olivergutierrez8690 I laughed way too hard at that
He's a Reaper!
It's called talk no jutsu.
@@BigUriel its the rarely used forbidden style, Talk no Jutsu - Redemption Suicide form
Tons of credit is due to Martin Sheen for committing so well to the role. World class voice acting.
I heard he actually indoctrinated himself so he could really feel the character.
Agreed, but an actor is only as good as their director. So Caroline Livingstone also deserves credit for giving phenomenal voice direction
I knew that voice sounded familiar!
I did not know this. But i always thought the illusive man's voice was warm and familiar
Never tell me the odds would be even better
When the Illusive man says "The odds are not in your favour" I would have loved an interrupt where Shepard would say "When have the odds ever been in my favour!"
Nationwide is on his side!
An interrupt that says "Never tell me the odds"
I prefer Jake from State Farm.
@Franky Torres to which i say: we have a krogan
or hold up the Hunger Games salute?
Isn't it ironic how it is part of the paragon path to talk someone into suicide... twice?
I wouldn’t say that it was more of the illusive man realizing he is indoctrinated and not in control so he killed himself to save humanity like he said at all costs. Plus it was clear Shepard was about to win. Thats what made him better then saren. Didn’t know this ending was hard to get. Sad Anderson still dies tho
@@slayking2378 i made saren kill himself every fucking time in the end....
you can't count the first time because whether paragon or renegade Saren will still commit suicide
@@aaron75fy no as if you fail the speech check Saren fights you.
@@barrybend7189 I'd like to introduce you to my friend Sherlock, first name No Shit
"Cerberus ment to be human sword, not dagger in a back" - best dialogue moment in dialogues with Illusive.
Yupp... unfortunately they already had gone rogue by the time the events of ME1 unfolded.
Although I had to work with Cerberus in ME2 to stop the Collectors, I have been more than happy to thwart them whenever I had the chance (shut down Project Overlord and sent David Archer to the Grissom Academy, sent Veetor back to the Migrant Fleet, reactivated Legion). Besides, I've even sent the intel that Cerberus had collected back to the Alliance.
I prefer how Shepard calls out The Illusive Man's BS when he says he totally isn't indoctrinated during Thessia: "The Reapers have it right? Listen to yourself, you're indoctrinated!"
@@Robidu1973 you're right, I'd love to have an option to go against Cerberus and turn to the Alliance for help in ME2. It would require two different story paths and two different backgrounds for Mass Effect 3 though.
I wish that existed a way to make Cerberus back to a "decent" organization. They were far more clever than the alliance anyway
@@GinsengStrip-wt8bl they never listened to Shephard until it was too late though, just like the council
Damn it always felt like he was *SO* close to listening to sheprad.
I liked the illusive man alot to be honest, he's an example of why you shouldn't keep your work too close to your heart
@@rotshepherd3817 In this case, probably a little literally.
He was indoctrinated years ago and why Saren hates humans
@@beverlyarcher546 While true, I don't think that indoctrination really "kicked in" until the Reapers invaded. I think he really was sincere in ME2 and before, the indoctrination was likely dormant then.
The moment he got angry how he's gonna control the reapers I knew I got him, just like Saren.
The final paragon speech check is a good redemption for the Illusive Man. He went out on his own terms - with the last shred of humanity he had left to pull that trigger.
The Illusive Man has got to be one of Martin Sheen's best roles.
I watched this whole video just to see something I didn’t know I already did lol
Same ahahaha
Same lol Jk
Glad to see I’m not the only one lol
Yup, me too. lol
Congratulations on sticking with your convictions!
Alternatively, you can play ME3 on the 360, do all this and still have the speech check greyed out because of a stupid bug. I'm still salty. Legendary run has been better.
Interesting. I've never seen that bug on the 360. However I always wondered why I had all the renegade options in the end even though I played a paragon shepard.
@@GSandSDS paragon and renegade don't really matter in me3.
Both based on the same stat.
So THAT'S why I've never unlocked those speech checks?
I never had that issue on the 360?
I think the bug might still be there because I did full paragon play through and the speech options and still had the final paragon/renegade options greyed out and I’m playing on the Xbox series X
6:06
Illusive Man: "Have -"
Dutch: "A LITTLE FAITH ARTHUR"
Shut up dutch
Two great game franchises in one comment!
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Why fight antagonist when you can talk him into suicide? Didn't really worked with human reaper, but it's still 2 out of 3 success rate.
To be fair Shepard never tries to get the human reaper to suicide
"You miss 100% of the shots you never take"
- Commander Shepherd
Oh well the reaper was a baby so can’t really talk- we ripped it form then umbilical and dropped it hundreds of feet instead
@@silent_stalker3687 so basically "yeet the child"?
@@cpl.targrein1793 yeetus the fetus
"you'd undo everything I've accomplished. I won't let that happen"
"Then you failed humanity"
*Best line ever*
"You're weak and you're selfish. Because of you, humanity will suffer."
@@Sk4tman91
"No... I... I save humanity!"
@@KritoSkywaker
"No. You sacrificed us for your own selfish wants. Your lust for control."
@@Sk4tman91
"No... NO!"
@KritoSkywaker
"You were supposed to protect us, and you failed."
I always thought the last conversation with the Illusive Man was pretty convincing... Until I remembered that I had spent the entire game stopping Cerberus from ridiculously inhumane activities. If the writers had kept Cerberus more chaotic neutral like they were in ME2, I probably would have given the Control ending more thought. But nope, Destroy all the way
In 1 Cerberus is pretty bad as well. In 2 the Illusive Man goes to lengths to make Cerberus seem more sympathetic, like hiring Kelly to be nice but having her send reports on the crew, and you never interact with any others besides your crew iirc. I'd still say they're bad, just more covert.
I would argue that Cerberus is mostly indoctrinated through the events of ME3. Most chaotic-neutral actions turn straight up evil when you lose your sense of humanity. Even if you don’t except that as an excuse you gotta take into account that all life faced certain extinction. It may be that fact finally pushed Cerberus to lose that little bit of morality holding them in check. It’s been awhile but given the situation I think there are some pretty good head-cannon explanations for a lot of narrative paths that BioWare chose to take.
The fact he's indoctrinated and wants the control ending isn't a good sign, the peaple who literally control him want the control ending.
He was humanity's Saren. Both Saren and TIM were renegade "ends justify the means" types, and even though both their ends were good goals, the methods they both used were morally wrong, and both ended up getting indoctrinated which twisted their mindset and their tactics even more. I have a grudging respect for TIM in ME2, and in ME3 its almost tragic how much his devotion to his people has been abused by the Reapers into nearly causing the extinction of his own race. That's why I always convince him of this, so he has that one moment of clarity, that one brief flicker of conscious where he is in control, and can make his own decision, just like I give Saren.
"I tried, Shepard"
I believe him.
Kelly is a romance option
Anderson's "MMMM" really spoke to me at the end
Had some good food just before that
In my last ME3 playthrough, i had a fully filled reputation bar with paragon points but was still unable to unlock the last dialogue. I was frustrated back then, but now i understood why it didn't unlock.
Same, in a recent playthrough I used every paragon option available and filled bar as well, even with the Illusive man. Yet, the last choice was greyed.
Cause you need total 100% paragon bar. Its easy with skill that gives +50% reputation points
I passed that last speech check once, the very first time I played ME3. Since then I've failed to get it again. As far as I know, I was the only one in my friends group to get it. One of my friends refused to believe that the speech check was possible to get. Not sure if he remembers that conversation.
So THAT'S what happened! Played the original ME3 twice and first time I couldn't pass it - figured I hadn't gotten enough paragon rep on my first playthrough, but then on my second - after having completed the Leviathan and Omega DLC's I still couldn't pass it, and I thought they were supposed to be unpassable, as to further represent The Illusive Man' controlling you actions. Figures it was just a stupid bug. -_-'
That exact same thing happened to me lol
Same thing here. I got the paragon option on my very first playthrough and could never get it again. I was starting to think that TIM shooting himself was something I made up in my head.
Same
Count me in. I passed it on my first walkthrough and never again...
Anderson getting shot by Illusive Man like that is the ultimate worse ending. Talk about a gut and dk punch.
That's why I always don't go for the speech check. I prefer to shoot The Illusive Man myself as payback, once the prompt is there cause I definitely don't wait once it happens. It's payback for making me shoot one of my top favorite characters, and on top of that, a good and badass man.
You can mix the paragon and renegade options in the final conversation. Back in the day my Shepard was a paragon who was going to pick Control, so I used the Renegade options in the final conversation except for the very last one. IMO it actually flows better that way. The paragon choices are all about Control being bad but it ends with TIM realizing he’s indoctrinated and killing himself. The renegade choices are all about TIM being indoctrinated but it ends with you shooting him because he never admits to being indoctrinated.
so for the final final choice you can pick either/or,right? just making sure im reading that right...
cuz i would love to run full renegade in the convo only to have TIM finish it himself.
@@MrOrdosan During my playthrough years ago of ME3 I was a paragon and I had all the options available in the argument with TIM. I picked the red options in that last argument with him except that I picked the blue one for the very last bit of dialogue.
I haven’t done a bunch of tests to verify how it works but that’s what happened in my playthrough.
@@Superninfreak neat. been AGES since i played. pretty sure previously I ran red all the way through,lol. but you right. it does feel better doing it that way
I was like, who the heck is Tim?? Then; T.I.M. Tim the Illusive man, lul.
ya i was liek that for half a second...then I realized how cleveryly cute it was,lol
11:01 imagine instead of getting a mission over, you still get the reapers won ending.
Indeed! To be honest, your suggestion is far more reasonable than the original one! It's impossible to think that someone would chose to do nothing in the Crucible!
I really wish there was a way to convince him before it’s too late. I always liked the Illusive Man as a character and wish there was some way to keep him from doing all this messed up shit.
That would have been interesting and I agree I also always liked him as a character. But Bioware made it pretty clear in the comics that it was much too late to save him before you even met him. Since the most likely incident where he got indoctrinated was during the first contact war in his backstory comics. Long before shepard even knew of his existance.
@@dragonslaya6203 Yeah that’s true. That’s why his eyes were weird, from interacting with that Reaper artifact. The comics are actually really good and I like that they occasionally reference the events of the trilogy while keeping it vague. It allows everyone’s choices to be canon.
@@dextergrif1052 I haven't gotten to read them fully just know some important bits. Also fun fact I noticed in my current renegade run when your eyes start slightly turning red they start out as red dots that look very similar to the illusive man's eyes. Which is interesting considering Shepard's cybernetics were experimental reaper based stuff iirc.
@@dragonslaya6203 INDOCTRINATION THEORY???? Lol
@@dextergrif1052 Nah Indoctrination Theory never worked for multiple reasons. One of the main ones being the Prothean VI's detect indoctrination and the one on Thessia only mentioned an indoctrinated presence when Kai Leng entered and later on said Shepard is attempting to retrieve them from indoctrinated forces. Pretty big plot whole for indoctrination theory right there.
This was the one of two speech checks that I never passed. Other one was in ME1 with that exo geni Scientist.
What a load of crap there aren't any human spectres... Right?
If you want to pass that speech check with the Exogeni representative you have to do Feros after Noveria and Therum plus you should do all available side missions. By then you have a high enough level so that you can invest your xp to max charm or intimidate.
If you pass the speech check Shepard can convince the representative that because Feros got attacked and successfully resisted there are multiple business opportunities available for the company.
In a news broadcast in ME2 you can then hear that the colony on Feros is thriving and more and more people are joining the colony
@@g-susyolo6713 Or even better, complete ME1 3 times and you gain 4 charm or Intimidate points for free so you have an extra 12 points to spend elsewhere. The best way to do it and it's what I did, the 3rd run is the best run. Took me 46, 27 and 24 hours for each one to 100% it. This way, If I ever go back and play ME1, it's the best you can be besides not having a bonus power
how tf? i played the legendary edition blind and i had all the speech checks available when i finished me 3. I didn't even follow any guide just winged it for most of part
@@xiRePeNTx they eased up on speech check requirements for legendary so you didn't have to be 100% either way
Too bad he became a Reapers puppet. I liked him in ME2.
At the least the hints of him being indoctrinated are there at the end of ME2.
Yeah he is the best character in Mass Effect series, genius tactician.
@@DanIel-fl1vc Him and Aria, ambiguis characters always gets more sense than a typical goody two-shoes
Is he banes?
@@shorty9020 No, his name is Jack Harper.
You know, I wonder how different the series would have been if you could have gotten Javik in Mass Effect 1. Let's say the game let you do a "cleanup sweep" of Eden Prime, to make sure that you didn't miss anything that Saren could use later, and you end up finding and recruiting Javik. How do you think the ME1 Council would react? I'd love to hear how you think things would go down, Big Dan.
Mind blown
"There's not enough evidence that that's actually a prothen, so we will do nothing"
@@Elnegro.. Ah yes, "Protheans", the ancient exctinct race. The council has dismissed those claims
@@kradehteno8233 soon the council will be saying reapers dont exist after mass effect 3
@@funnymanmakesvideos7580 Ah "Reapers", ancient machines who lay dormant and wiped out multiple ancient races and presumably almost wiped the entire galaxy out 5 years ago and it took all the races coming together to defeat them.
The council has dismissed those claims.
I didn't even know you could fail. I always get the paragon speech check option. I clicked this video to learn how to get the Renegade death for the illusive man. The renegade death to me is the better of the two, because he reveals his entire motivations in a far more poetic way than confronting him with his failures could ever produce. "I wish you could see it the way I do shepard, it's so perfect..." Not to mention he dies seeing the Earth he was willing to sacrifice everything for, even his sanity and his life. If he shoots himself, he doesn't even get that. So to me, the renegade option is the kindest death even though he voluntarily gives up if you take the paragon route. Likewise when writing fanfiction, I'd much rather use the renegade death as the canon one.
Naw paragon is better as he can go out on his own terms truly sacrificing everything for the humanity he loves
Ending Speech Checks
Shepard: “Ah shit, here we go again.”
You don't have to consistently do paragon or renegade speech checks, as long as you you do them, it doesn't matter which one you pick, I've just done a run in the legendary edition where I interchanged the speech checks with him as I saw fit and ultimately unlocked the last speech check with him.
I was just thinking this - recently finished ME3 and I mixed the speech checks with him as well and got the final options.
same here
Okay cause I was pretty damn sure I wasn't consistent at all in ME3 with the illusive man and I got the last speech option everytime.
I did the same thing. I am pretty sure the game just checks that the speech check options were taken, not which you chose.
Yep, I'm 100% sure. The information to be consistent is incorrect. It just checks whether you did one or the other.
Illusive Man: "You're sitting in my chair".
If you want it, then you’ll have to take it. But you already knew that.
Martin Sheen was just marvelous as The Illusive Man.
He is the illusive man.
Yeah he did great
I had no idea with the Mars one, I need to go back and play again.
I've always played a paragon Shepard, but I remember that I could mix paragon and renegade options in the Xbox 360 version back then as much as I want... at least in the final conversation. And if you chose the final renegade option and shot the Illusive Man then there was a final scene that isn't shown in this video where a dying Illusive Man told Shepard how beautiful the Earth is.
the legendary edition was my first time playing mass effect trilogy ( i finished ME3 at the beginning of this month ) and i think i got this scene as well, but im pretty sure the final paragon and renegade options were grayed out so i had to go with one of the regular so idk how i got this ending.
You know, this video has reminded me of how sad I feel for the Illusive Man. Even when he's working against you in ME3, there's plenty of times when you can hear that your words ARE getting through and it sounds like he desperately wants to agree with you but can't.
"Let us go. We'll do the rest."
"I...I can't do that...Commander."
Then of course, the tone in his voice before his commits suicide. "I...tried, Shepard." It honestly makes me tear up a bit. I can't even imagine what that would feel like, to be so violated and controlled.
On an overall note, while his methods can be horrible, I do believe he truly did want what was best for humanity. Otherwise, he never would've pulled that trigger. To quote his final words in the renegade path;
"There... Earth. I wish you could see it like I do, Shepard. It's so... perfect."
Martin sheen did an incredible job. Tim is ex alliance millitary, he would have made a good final boss instead of that random asian guy... Hell dude did save humanity, bringing back Shepard is the only reason things worked out
100%. Truth is without him there'd have been no defeating the Reapers. His indoctrination and death always makes me sad on every play through.
@@MetarisIt's an Icarus moment. He flew too close to the sun. Equally if he didn't then we wouldn't have know how far we could go
I am so damn proud that I did it on my very first, blind, playthrough
👏🏻
8 years later and I’m just now finding out about these options?! Thanks Dan!!!
If you think about it, TIM did save humanity by bringing shepard back albeit indirectly.
That was his original plan.... then ambition got the better of him
@@fredcasdensworld Ambition was part of it, but he was already becoming indoctrinated in ME2 imo.
Gotta say I kinda liked the standoff with Saren better. The outcome was the same and you still made him see the light, regardless of the Renegade/Paragon choices. In ME3 with the Renegade option you will never convince him and just kill him.
Thank you for making this video. I was so confused and disappointed with the final speech check when they were greyed out.
I've just played through ME3 LE and I wondered why the final blue/red dialogue options were greyed out despite having reputation maxed. I think I missed the Paragon option on Mars. I've always thought that this scene is a great culmination of the ambiguous relationship between Shep and Illusive Man with excellent writing and voice acting. It just makes the conversation with the Catalyst immediately afterwards with its lack of satisfying options more jarring.
I've always had those options available for me, I've never seen the part were you have to shoot the illusive man! Thank you big Dan!
you're the man for putting in chapter stops, thanks buddy
Enjoying all of your mass effect content!
I like how no one in-game makes it a point to note how Shepard and the Illusive Man only meet in the flesh right until the ending of the final game.
Also, this is basically Darth Sion all over gain. The protagonist, through their own conviction, makes the antagonist doubt themselves right at the end.
I still wish the last paragon/renegade dialog options were references to the paragon/renegade options that gets Saren to shoot himself from the first game.
I liked this way more then the final speach check in ME1.
Here you have at least some development from start to finish.
Sarrens break out and suicide happend way to sudden.
Renegade: "I kill people in my way, and let people die for the greater good."
Paragon: "I'm very nice and I also repeatedly talk powerfull, stronwilled people into shooting themselves. It's good deeds."
Paragon players: "Are we the baddies?"
I never thought about this, I always go paragon too 🤯
@@princesssmileyface91
My friends: so what are you?
Me: Paragade
@@waragon4737 Paragades rise up!
Man I’m glad I found your channel. I’ve played me1-3 when they first came out. Just about wrapped up me3 on the legendary edition on my ps4. And I have to say your channels helped me figure out things I didn’t even know was possible. Your videos are good, your voice is relaxing. Got a follower and a subscription lol.
“Ganked marauder shields” lol
Thanks for all the vids you have made on this series. I only played alot thru 1 and 2 and only beat the og3 once. I have renewed enthusiasm thanksto you to play 3 once I get thru 2 again
My favorite check is the renegade one. Even if I play Paragon route, I always make the renegade talking choices. When the station starts reopening, the Illusive Man's comment about how perfect earth is, telling Shepard he wishes they could see it the way he does,, that made all the effort worth it
DUDE tysm for putting your script in the description of the video
1:13 "The only way Shepherd can break through the indoctrination is by consistently arguing the same point in every conversation with him."
Like a counter indoctrination? It would be quite a twist if Shepherd had their own version of the indoctrination ability that manifested as speech checks. Not sure how it would work, though. Latent biotics?
Perhaps Shepard is posessed by a 50.000 year old Protheon demon since his first encounter with the beacon.
could change the story that the prothean beacon we discovered in eden prime holds some knowledge about how the reaper's indoctrinated think thus diplomatic approach is haywiring the process and possibly release the indoctrinated.
I have never knew how to get the final speech check, thank you so much, I was always only able to get the first 2 but never the 3rd.
Good video. I still remember when I have to play the game twice to this moment.
It's funny and ironic when following the resolution of the final encounter with the Illusive Man and had convinced him (to the point the man kills himself) that controlling the Reapers isn't an option if Shepard just meets up with Catalyst Kid and chooses the Control ending himself.
I think this is the first time i noticed the three buttons on Illusive Man's dress.
can you show how the ending change if he shoots anderson and then you shoot him?
I did this the other week and had to reload a save
All that happens is Shepard sits down by himself instead of with Anderson then hacket calls him like usual
@@notacockgobbler2054 I read that too quickly and read "then hacket calls him a casual" xD made me chuckle
@@jinxatron "Commander, you're a casual. Hackett out."
@@jinxatron "Fucking casual. Hackett out"
If you choose Destroy, the threshold for Shepard to survive the blast is considerably higher (i. e. you have to have way more War Assets at hand). Otherwise, nothing changes except for Anderson not being around and the final dialogue not happening before Shepard meets the Star Child.
OMG ! THANK YOU
I never understood why that answer wasn't unlocked.
Thank you thank you thank you
You know his videos are going blow up again when Mass Effect 5 gets gameplay footage and/or the game releases. Let's hope all our choices and progress carrys over
DUDE, THANK YOU! I've been trying to figure this out back in the PS3 games!
Thank Dan your videos have been a huge help.
I always thought that The Illusive Man looks badass, when you have your last encounter
I like how the renegade path is basically pointless. It leads you to effectively the same result of needing to do a renegade interrupt to shoot him. They shoulda at last made it so you couldn't save Anderson so it was different.
"So what is it?"
"Oh somebody punch him out!"
A white hole?
Very cool I did this right on my first ever playthrough. During the final conversation I was like "Is he gonna pull a Saren?"
Wow happy to know this. I think I unintentionally the did paragon the right way
ME 1: skip a whole phase of a boss fight
ME 3: Do the same thing you would've done 3 seconds later
this makes alot of sense. thanks for this I honestly forgot about all this. 😎
I’ve never been able to get that final speech check with him, but his dialogue about preferring control over killing, that’s the reason I never picked the Control ending. Like nah, that dude was smoking rock, he can’t be right.
Thank you for elaborating that a mixture of speech checks will not unlock the ending one, I wanted to try it out, but now I won't waste my time
1:55 - That's not quite right. I chose a mix on my playthrough of MELE and I still got the options at the end, the only thing that matters is that you pick a blue/red option on every occasion prior to the final choice.
Thank you! I just realized I brushed him off on Thessia
Wow I never thought I'd feel for the illusive man
THERES NO WAY I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND I WAS HOPING I WILL MAKE a video lol
I would like to have seen the IM being convinced of indoctrination, but instead of suicide, he chose to escort Anderson out while Sheppard moved on forward with the plot. Only the refusal ending would create a problem in this case.
Mixing the paragon and renegade checks didn’t make a difference for me.
Nice buddy I never understood why is different the end cuz I finished it so many times & never thought I should keep same dialog style from mars to End of story 🎉😂
Nice! Didn‘t even know that‘s possible to ruin the endgame with wrong dialogue options between Shep and the illusive man. Thx Dan 🙏
You can mix them, don't have to stick to only one side. I choose all Paragon options except for during the Crerbus base raid and still got both options.
I managed to pass every speech check with paragons but i couldn't unlock the final one
I dont suppose there is a way to know which dialogues have you used in the past? Because i dont remember what i picked during the Mars mission :(
I got both endings. First time in my first play through where I tried playing paragon.then in my second play through when I played renagade.
I always find it more fun to be renagade to him.
Hes a dick.
Does playing Renegade cause a lot more of your crew mates to die in the game?
@@TheSpyBaby No. Anyway you don't have to be 100% renegade/paragon so unlock every dialog. For example i released rachni as a renegade guy.
@@dryzd Thanks mate
@@TheSpyBaby only if you want to kill them all.
From experience it is harder to kill everyone than trying to keep everyone alive.
My first attempt of trying to kill everyone I only managed to kill 3.
They primarily only die if you don't do their loyalty mission in ME2.
Except Samara. She dies without that paragon interrupt when you meet her in ME3.
@@Banana_boat i first played me2 when i was a kid so i didn't know to upgrade or do all loyalty missions lol; also who to pick for specialist/team leader. lost so many people lmao
Thanks, next time I'll be ready.
Interesting enough.. cerberus found a way to control the reapers troops by mimicking the control signal. They were not that far to accomplish the goal... but that is the closest they got
Ilussive man is such a good villain . I kind of like him
2:58 I forget. Did preserving the collector base in 2 not matter to the point in not being reflected in dialogue?
In case somebody wants to know if it is possible to enable the options using the Trilogy Save Editor (in case you messed up): I'm pretty sure that you can enable them by setting Plot -> Romance -> Other -> "[Friendship] The Illusive Man progress" to "3"
what about if you get that last renegade dialog option, but DON'T do the ren interrupt??
I just did the renegade run with checking all speech options. If you do this, you have to shoot TIM on the final renegade interrupt. If you don't, he kills you and you have to restart the entire ending conversation with him.
What happens if you do not hit the renegade interrupt after you do the final renegade speech check?
Man the paragon speech ending, is movie worthy.
Are you sure this applies to legendary edition? In my first playthrough I picked the paragon option on Mars, then renegade on both Thessia and Cerberus HQ, and then back to paragon during the CItadel confrontation, and I still managed to get the paragon ending where he shoots himself
I first thought that I had bugged out, because the speech check furing Rannoch had done that as well. I had a high enough Rep count at the time and done every single requirement to pass the checks. When I went to check my save game, it had 0/6 or 7 passed checks. Just assumed it was what happened with TIM aswell but I didn't always pick the paragon/renegade options, so that one was up to me
Is there a way in Save Editor to check if you chose Paragon or Renegade in previous conversations? On a replay right now and am only 80% sure of what I picked before and approaching Thessia soon
Weird. I did mixed responses whenever Illusive man showed up; sometimes I would pick the paragon choice and other times I would pick the renegade, whichever felt the most appropriate at the time, and I still got the final speech check.
So what happens if you fail the first renegade interrupt and then pass the second?
I’m a paragon shep and I chose renegade to mix things up what will happen if I choose paragon now since I can’t max out my renegade this late in the game?
thank you big dan!!!
Mind blown.
Quite literally.