Mass Effect 3 - What Happened To Everyone On The Citadel at the End?
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- In this video, we’re going to explore the question - what happened to everyone on the Citadel at the end of Mass Effect 3? This video will contain spoilers and a heavy dose of speculation but I’m sure you already knew that.
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0:00 Introduction
1:00 Prothean VI Info Dump
3:13 A Better Reveal
6:04 What Happened to the Council?
6:59 Bailey and Others on the Citadel
7:26 Nobody Fs with Aria T'Loak
8:11 Mad Dash to the Beam
9:17 The Theory
During the assault on the Illusive Man’s base at Cronos station, we defeat Kai Leng and recover the Prothean VI. Once the mission is over, we get a massive info dump from the VI.
So yeah, the Citadel is the Catalyst and by the way the Illusive Man moved the entire Citadel to Earth. That’s a lot to absorb in 30 seconds of dialogue and Bioware commits a cardinal sin of writing - telling us about a massive plot point rather than showing it to us.
This immediately raises a lot of questions.
How did the Illusive Man suddenly seize control of the Citadel? It took Saren an entire game to locate the Conduit and let Sovereign in. So how did our boy pull this off when his entire organization was crumbling? And when the Cerberus coup attempt had already failed? He just jets over there and takes the station? I want details.
The Citadel was moved to the Sol system. Again… how? Did he just tie some ropes around the station and haul it into the nearest Mass Relay?
What role did the Reapers play in taking over the Citadel? Did The Illusive Man shoot them a text and say meet me at the Citadel bruh… and bring your U-Haul.
The game never answers these questions. It feels like an entire mission or at the very least a cutscene is missing from the plot. There had to be a better way to present such a major plot point to the player.
So we know the Reapers were grabbing people on Earth and beaming them up to the Citadel… but what about the millions of people who lived on the Citadel? We never learn specific details, but I think we can make some educated guesses based on what we’ve seen throughout the rest of the series.
With help from the Illusive Man, the Reapers seized control of the Citadel and moved it to Earth. They began pacifying the station’s residents with their usual methods - killing some and converting others into more Reaper forces - husks, marauders and the like. But it’s unlikely that they wiped out or converted 100% of the population. There just wasn’t enough time.
Think about it - how long did they have control of the station before Shepard reached the Citadel beam in London? It couldn’t have been more than a few days. There were millions of people living aboard the Citadel, and many places people could hide. As powerful as the Reapers are, they aren’t omniscient - they couldn’t possibly have located every single person and dealt with them.
So while Shepard is confronting the Illusive Man and chatting with the star child, somewhere on the Citadel it’s likely there are people still alive. Perhaps Commander Bailey and Kelly Chambers survived after all. After selecting a color coded ending, it’s likely that the Citadel would remain in Earth’s orbit. The mass relays would need to be repaired in order to move it back to its original home. Maybe it would never get moved at all. The survivors of the attack would likely rebuild and repair their homes on the station and perhaps the Citadel would thrive again in the aftermath of the Reaper war. - Ігри
They could have had us play as Bailey while the Citadel is getting fucked up, similar to how we play as Joker in Mass Effect 2. That would've been awesome.
Yes, but that moment in ME2 was also jaw droppingly stupid. Makes no sense on any level in ME2.
@@adamgray1753 it's makes perfect sense to show what happens on the Normandy. Its like a book that has a main narrator or character but has one or two pov chapters of a different character to show different events going on at the same time as the main story. I see that part of the game as an interactive cutscene
@@yiprajosie085 It was great, but why did Shepard take the entire team, she knew what missions they were doing take 2-3 of the 12.
@@aauwhatitdo1582 Oh yeah true that part is a bit suspicious alright 🤣🤣
@@yiprajosie085 yeah, like elevators, jumping over a broken bridge, or turning on a flashlight, it is the opposite of plot armor.
Always wished they replaced Star Child with an image of Saren, Saren was the Avatar for the Reapers and Shepard was the Avatar for the Resistance so it would have been nice to go full circle and end with the two just as the games began.
Wow, that's a great idea! The Turian in Saren did redeem himself in ME1, but the indoctrinated Saren would still be intact within the machine intelligence of the Citadel.
I always enjoyed his theme as the Game Over music in the sequels, it was as if he was laughing at you from beyond the grave for failing.
My interpretation of the Star Child is that it's a recreation of the kid that dies in the beginning of ME3. The Leviathans showed that they are able to project themselves as things familiar to you in your mind, so this is probably the Reapers using Shepard's guilt over the death of the kid. Maybe it's not meant to be that deep, but that's how I read it.
@@AintNobodyAtAll I think you are right, however I also think they could have done something better, I mean, I am roleplaying as shepard, and I don't really care about that child
or a image of shepard, saren and TIM all in one to fool Shepard.
But my Dad said all the Citadel residents all went to live on a farm upstate.
Hahahaha
Just like the Waynes.
@@demonblade001 😮 what did he sayyyy?
That's what I'm going to have them do in my fanfiction, because I can't deal with the slaughter. They're ALIVE, I tell you! ALIVE!
@@OmaruOdakai Im sorry Bruce. Mr. Fishy has to go live with your parents now.
I wish they hadn't of rushed Mass Effect 3, like it's such a good game and ties up a lot of loose ends, but the only thing people remember it for is the final three/four choices.
A bad ending could ruin a story.
Well, and I still hate them for giving you no option to save Mordin or Legion
@@MrNicoJac well mordin is technically savable, but it requires so many choices I'd never wanna make. And yes, they did my boy Legion pretty dirty, I just want him in my citadel party so badlyy
what's worse is that they really just rushed once you got to the cerberus base, everything else was fantastic
I agree.
That commander Bailey impression was perfect 😂😂
agreed
Came here just to comment that
Oh yeah that was perfect!
I thought that was actually Michael Hogan.
FRAKIN’ CYLONS ARE POURING INTO ZAKERA WARD
I can’t stop imagining harbinger pulling a big ass u-haul trailer with the citadel in it lol
Or tugging it like a car on one of those u-haul trailers lol
I know he can't but I picture harbinger sweating as he has to drag the thing through space and cursing shepherd the whole way
Lmao
what dan said is probably exactly what happened they just didnt explain it. actually the prothean VI kind of did when he said the illusive man went to tell the reapers he probably was the one that drove the citadel to the sol system.
Honestly the thought of literally everyone on the citadel being killed by reapers is kinda sad.
Bailey, chambers, liaras dad, there's a lot of cool characters who would have been there at the time.
Makes the sidequests involving them feel pointless too when you know they all just die anyway in the end.
As I wandered the Citadel in ME3, I found myself caring even for some of the NPCs we can't interact with - like that human teenager who hopes for her parents to appear and is kinda watched over by a turian guard, or that woman we find at the embassies desperately searching for her asari children... I really hate to think they all died - yet even if they survived the Reapers' takeover, they hardly survive the Destroy ending, which has the entire citadel shattered...
It makes sense though, they wanted to kill the entire galaxy. The simplest thing to do would be to shut off all the life support or vent the airlock once in reaper control. The citadel was built as a trap remember
@@talesind They can´t really do that, because the Keepers need oxygen as well.
@@jirkazalabak1514 yes but the Citadel replaces the keepers when they die or get destroyed
According to Casey or Mac, every character with a name living in the Citadel managed to escape. Everyone else had a "bad time"
Wow, how convenient. 😒
are you serious? They really said that?
@@Revan-eb1wb yes, they did. I wonder what ideas might have fallen on deaf ears
So its basically like GoT s8 when they're fighting the Night Walkers and literally only named characters are left alive fighting in the castle.
Does concerned citizen count as a name
It hurts me how incomplete some things are in ME3. There’s so much greatness in this game (Curing Genophage, Geth Quarian peace) What could have been if they weren’t rushed by EA? How much greater could this game have been? Makes me sad.
this game doesnt seemed rushed in the slighest
it could of been one of the greatest games ever. I dont think anyone would of even minded if it came out even later than it did. as long as it delivered and I have no doubt if they had more time they really could of made this game special.
Doesn't make me sad, game was fantastic
Could've, should've, would've.. unneccesary way of thinking. Just be grateful for what we did get. ME3 is still the best of the trilogy, followed by ME1.
@@Sawtje2 You speak like Mordin.
ME could be and it would be the ultimate gaming experience if Electronic Arts' greed hadn't ruined its development.
could honestly be the up there as one of the greatest stories if the indoctrination theory was real
The Indocrination Theory would be accurate if the writers' vision were cohesive, @@keepiticy. Instead the entirety of the Mass Effect franchise's story and lore became increasingly more broken and fragmented since Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 is simply missing half of itself as well. That is why immediately after the Asari homeworld mission the game suddenly goes from fairly decent of a game to a mad dash to the finish line.
@@adamgray1753 exactly, i can't even tell if the game is simply rushed or if they just COULDN'T create a good ending. they should have stuck with one canon ending
Or if ME2 was more like the original
They really blew it, the ridiculously rushed game after thessia, the deus ex "inspired" ending, the fact that they hinted at shepard suffering from indoctrination and did nothing. It could have been so much better...
I have this mission visualized in my head: A trio of Bailey, Aria and Kolyat helping to evacuate the citadel with Bailey, having no other choice, trusting Kolyat's well being to Aria, begging her to keep him safe because he promised his father that. Aria, having a moment of counsciousness, accepts and takes Kolyat to Omega with her, but Bailey stays, and dies in a blaze of glory, saving as many people as he could, but being killed by a Banshee.
I mean, I would rather be killed by a gunshot rather than get killed by a banshee,
Never forget his sacrifice. Marauder gave all in his attempt to save us from the OG ending. He may Rest In Peace knowing BioWare destroyed the original ending.
F for Marauder Shields. May we honor his sacrifice
In some fan fiction, the marauder shield is actually Nihlus.
To be fair EA rushed them. A LOT.
I like to imagine Marauder Shields is that turian we find in on Omega during Samara's loyalty mission in ME2. The one harassing the dancer.
Lol
I’m high af and literally lolling
This was a question I always had about ME3. The ending seemed way too rushed, and this was a bit of a loose end. Nice video!
Yeah. They admitted that the story was going to be completely different.
@@FXIIBeaver what was the reason ME3 was rushed? EA?
Let's just hope they don't rush with me4
@@Aliens1337 from the interview I saw. It was EA didn't like the inevitability of the Reaper assault so they forced them to change it and then rushed them.
I also felt there were cut corners. Like the "pick a side" type unmarked quest.
The Citadel *is* a Mass Relay, so the indoctrinated Illusive Man boarded, reached Citadel Control with the help of his Starboy master, and pushed some buttons that relayed the station itself to Sol system - to outside eyes this move might look more like teleportation than like a typical relay jump. I further speculate that roughly half of the people on the wards found shelter and survived, while everyone on the presidium who was unable to flee died there.
But can a mass relay move itself? It seems to me that based on what it says on the wikia, a mass relay can't move itself because you need an active relay on both ends to make it work.
@@Blen230 Maybe the Illusive Man got on board under the ruse of a refugee, planted a virus within Citadel Control to soften up security, and then the Reapers just give it a little nudge to the Relay. Of course if at least one person or a small stealth team could take control of the Citadel that easily, why wasn't that Plan A to begin with?
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100 The Illusive Man still has access to Shepard's mission file. He doesn't need the Prothean VI to use the Conduit on Ilos. It seems like a softer target then bashing or sneaking past Citadel Security. If 3 dozen Reapers showed up in Citadel Space, the Council is going to run back the "close the arms and lock the presidium" tactic, and when Cerberus comes pouring through the Conduit, they'll be just as Surprised Pikachu face'd about it as Saren and the Geth.
As for the jumping itself, it does need an arrival point, true... but Sol has a relay. Assuming *it* can serve as a launch point for itself, it could reach any area of the relay network in an instant. It just needs a landing relay. This doesn't even restrict returning it, later; the Citadel Nebula still has its relay, too, so they can return it later.
I imagine there might be room to build Multiple Reapers on the Citadel. It's possible Shepard got shunted to the "all human area" because they are human. If Garrus had followed them up, it is possible he'd end up in some different, all Turian area. Humans got put close enough to get to the control board because of the Illusive Man/Dumb Luck/Story Drama/whatever bs needed, but we'll never know if the conduit has the ability to sort by species.
@@Blen230 No one even knew the Citadel was a Mass Relay - it could have some very unique capabilities that make the standard Mass Relays look primitive.
To be honest I'd be surprised if the Reapers didn't just seize the Citadel without any help from the Illusive Man at all. Harbinger may have greater access to the Citadel functions than a bog-standard Reaper like Soverign and could therefore prevent the whole "closing the station" situation. After that the question of how they move it isn't really a major issue for me. The Citadel is Reaper technology that we still barely even begin to understand, if the Reaper's moved it it's undoubtedly because it was designed to be movable.
In my opinion the main thing the ending in ME3 is missing is commander Bailey walking up to Shepard's body and saying "Made it as fast as I could Shepard, looks like you uh... took care of things"
Spoiler, you can see car traffic in the Wards and full lights in the background during the illusive man scene.
Yeah, the lights and traffic are slightly hilarious to me. I just picture all the residents in the wards saying "well, the galaxy may be ending, but I can't be late for work!"
Everyone complains about ME3 but the game was pretty good but the ending when you hunt the Illusive Man down feels like a rushed season finale
I love Mass Effect 3 but there are some plot holes and things that bug me. Still a great game overall though
GoT show runners must have learnt from ME3. Years of buildups and ended in rush.
@@BigDanGaming they should really have made Cerberus a more dark gray route like say the illusive man suffer from jekyll/hyde mental state due to fighting indoctrination, if you leave on somewhat good terms by mass effect 2 ending like save collect base, then in mass effect 3 you are presented with several side quests with some choices being ultimate good long term but others a hope spot trap drag to corruption.
some rewards can be having a finished human reaper on your side as war asset since, the reaper a clean slate being unfinished
how about technology which alter exist life forms that alliance wouldn't touch left behind by the leviathans that are sea serpent squids=implies that they could have visited earth long ago as cthulhu and play around with capture a planet inhabitants for creating dinosaurs dragons birdmen kitsunes mermaids werewolves similar to anime series guyver, siding with cerberus unlock unique assets/abilities like a hawk hybrid can fly and better sniping vision
@@ninianstorm6494 what the fuck did I just read
@@Aliens1337 ok, Mass Effect 3 was flawed, but it's nowhere near GOT season 8, especially with all the DLC.
If you notice when you arrive on the Citadel and you get to the outside area with all the arms closed, you notice the cityscape in the background of all the wards. Pay close attention and you’ll see lights moving among the wards. It’s implied the moving lights are the sky cars.
There's so much about 3 that I love: the changes to powers, the sheer amount of weapons to play with, even how hopeless everything feels. But man, the plot is lacking so much, it really needs a proper remake along the lines of Final Fantasy 7
Really it's just the final part of the game. Everything past the quarian/geth conflict seems rushed and unexplored. I know they were under a deadline but it would have been awesome to see them expand on this in legendary
@@jeffbrewer1580 probabaly could have if they hadn't have focused so much on the citadel dlc, dont get me wrong it was easily the best dlc I've ever played for a video game but bioware clearly focused on fanservice instead of fixing the narrative. So I will be giving 10 sins and removing 9
@@bgill6623 Wasn't the citadel dlc made after the original game was already out? Or am i misremembering that?
@@nemangame no you are correct but the extended ending also came out long after the game was released
Hopefully we’ll get a definitive answer in the next mass effect
But as to the citadel moving. I assume that the IM just travels to the station and the reapers are the ones that attack the citadel, and move it to earth, either through the mass relays or somehow using ftl or the citadels own mass relay functionality. Perhaps the catalyst took control of the citadel itself to enable this all to happen to some extent.
What I don’t get is why the reapers didn’t attack the citadel right from the get go to take control of it and the mass relay system. Cutting off everyone in galaxy from eachother. This would make the reapers job much easier, like in the previous cycles.
I thought Shepard cut off the Reapers access to the Citadel at the end of the first game?
@@jaycorbin5361Shepard didn't cut them off, rather kept them cut off, the keepers activated the relay to dark space every 50k years after something signaled them to do so, but the proteans managed to interfere with this signal causing the keepers to not respond, ME1 was about saren getting onto the citadel without getting shot down trying to fly to the citadel and handing control to sovereign so that he could undo the protean override and start the cycle in earnest.
They however were never locked out of the relay system but probably we're not looking forward to an all out assualt on probably the most secure place in the galaxy without first getting more troops ( thus the harvesting ) and by proxy throwing the existing government into disarray. Thats my take anyhow.
Presumably with the Citadel relay destroyed in ME1, the Reapers were reduced from arriving at the heart of galactic civilization to consuming worlds from the outer rim of the galaxy, and this slowed their advance greatly.
@@MrSoopSA I thought that was the DLC for ME2 where the Reaper Artifact was supposed to signal the Reaper Arrival, Opening the door through the Alpha Relay beginning the extinction, which is why you had to destroy the relay with an asteroid.
Possibly with an attack on the Citadel, not an immediate option due to their initial direction of attack they choose to leave it until last as a final rallying point for the allied galaxy. Such an alliance would be doomed against the Reapers of course but it would spare them the effort of having to track down all their enemies separately.
Your commander Bailey impression was on point lmao
Its confirmed, big dan is a fraking cylon!!!
A little late but some food for thought. Me and my friends think there’s a small and subtle way that gives hints that the Reapers could move the Citadel. If you look at the current location, the Citadel is roughly in the middle of practically all of the sentient species, Quarians being the only exception. But if you look at the Protheans, a large portion of the ruins are found in the Attican Traverse, which means the Prothean Empire was halfway across the galaxy from it.
We believe that the Reapers move the Citadel to a segment of the galaxy that has favorable progress/potential to be the next harvest. This would explain the displacement of the Prothean Empire to their capital and the favorability of the Asari, if the Protheans put so much effort into these people, then they’re practically on their way to be the next selection for the harvest. We also theorize that based on this the Citadel would next be moved closer to Parnack, the Yahg home world, due to their current technology being at 20 century humanity.
Just a bit in mind, feels more than possible based on the Reapers’ technological superiority and strategy for the harvests.
Is it bad that I hoped that the Councilors were on the Citadel (even if the Destiny Ascension was saved)? Also I hope that Al Jilani escaped just so we get to continue punching her in Mass Effect 4.
As for Aria - I assume she either went out to lead the Terminus Fleet or something came up on Omega that required her personal attention shortly before the issue took place.
Nope. I certainly hope they're on it so they can clearly witness their own idiocy.
@@FirebirdPrince Also since the Reapers created it, did the Citadel have some alternative form of Indoctrination that - instead of subverting the will of beings to serve the Reapers like the traditional version - created some form of blindspot or response of apathy regarding the Reapers. That would explain why every Council member who's name isn't David Anderson can't be bothered to take the threat seriously... even Udina who declares that "We're going to war with the Reapers!" if he's chosen as Chairman/Councilor in Mass Effect 1 (at least in the Renegade, 100% Human Council ending).
Something to consider is that if you saved the council in ME1 then the Destiny Ascension is part of the Battle for Earth, implying that at the very least the council was evacuated, assuming the attack came from inside instead of the outside, since last time an outside attack almost overwhelmed their entire fleet and that was just 1 reaper and some geth ships, then I assume the rest of the fleet tried to evacuate as many people as possible.
Back when the game released there was a Dev comment somewhere (maybe the old bioware forums?) that said everyone in the citadel that was important (read, people you interact with) survived for the reasons you listed in your video (not enough time to hunt everyone down). And that the remains of the citadel could mantain an athmosphere long enough for them to get rescued after the endings.
I always assumed the keepers took control remotely
That makes sense. They made it so they can control it.
This is a pretty good answer.
This was a plot point in ME1. They can't control it remotely. Their method of doing so, the Keepers, were altered by the Protheans.
@@MrSoopSA yeah I always thought the illusive man may have found a way to control the keepers who then closed the citadel and moved it the illusive man wouldn't need to fight everyone on the station just take a transport to the AI control room where he has the show down with Shepherd
@@blacksuite1 Uh the Keepers didn't make the citadel the Reapers did, they merely put the Keepers on the station and besides that the Reapers have no more control over the Keepers.
I'm absolutely certain that development time contributed to content being cut.
Javik being about 70-80% on disc is a testament to that. From Ashes should have been completely included but EA saw potential dollar signs and fucked everything up.
My guess-the illusive man was alerted to the upcoming attack on Kronos station and fled to the citadel alone. He probably contacted the reapers(it’s hinted he is already talking to them), and they immediately arrived and seized control of the station. They probably would have waited longer but the crucible made the situation urgent for them.
Most of the inhabitants on the citadel probably died, at least that seems likely. Then again, if you play your cards right-C-Sec and any military personnel(and possibly a civilian militia) would have made liquidating or converting the inhabitants a lengthy process. I imagine the reapers seized control of the base functions of the citadel, and sent ground forces to deal with resistance, or at least keep them pacified.
I can see Aria making it, she’d have a dozen escape routes planned. But it’s hard to say. Same for the council.
After the ending-the citadel might be moved back to the Widow nebula, or it might remain on earth.
The citadel is itself a mass relay, and the reapers probably have not kept it in the same place the whole time so it probably can move on it’s own. Or it can be pushed.
My guess is most people you see are dead, though there were likely many hold up that fought on until the final choice.
Liara's dad is 50% krogan so yeah.
having replayed Mass Effect all the way through again with the Legendary Edition, I've realized just how many issues and plot holes Mass Effect 3 has. It's not a terrible game, and I had loads of fun playing it, but you can see the devs didn't have enough time to fully polish the game.
As grim as it is, I had assumed the Reapers killed or harvested them all.
Same
Devs already confirmed everyone on the citadel lived
@@mrbatman3008 Can't be. You see the MASS of bodies when you jump up there. There is NO WAY everyone survived
@@Typhoon_Lex In the video he even mentions it they’re soldiers you can tell because they’re all wearing armor and there are no aliens as for who survived the devs said that some people died but all the named characters are fine and in destroy at least the citadel will be rebuilt after a little while.
@@Typhoon_Lex These were probably humans transported there with the beam from London. It´s conceiveable that many people managed to escape. I mean, the Citadel is enormous. Even the Reapers would need some time to capture it. In that time, many people could have found a way out.
"We need to open the citadel arms. Should we contact someone on board it to open them?"
"Naaah. We should make a mad dash attempt to a heavily guarded beam they are using as an industrial conveyor towards a meat grinder."
"What happened to them?"
Me: nothing good🥺
I'm not sure if it's legit or not, but I remember reading a dev response about major characters in the citadel (mainly bailey and aria) and he (or she) said that they probably survived and organized resistance in the station, unless it was the worst destoy ending that vaporize everything :D
Yeah but judging by the new ME trailer, it clearly shows what's left of the Citadel floating in space meaning the destroy ending is Canon and that everyone on the Citadel did die
Aria survived mabye she did had her own fleet that she prob use the fleet for the war
@@Chris-wu7ul It doesn't show that at all. It only shows a random relay.
@@JhonPittsburg just went back and looked, you're right, my bad
@@JhonPittsburg it shows a dead reaper in the background, destroyed relays and liara looking at n7 armor. Don't know how much clearer it could be that they are hinting towards the destroy ending other than them just outright saying it. No green eyes from synthesis, no rebuilt relays from reaper assistance in control, and everyone clearly isn't dead so no rejection.
"This is what I came up with on my lunch break" by the goddess Dave! That's brutal
Dude keep these videos coming. Your content is gold.
Timing on this is perfect. I spent most of last night looking up this very question.
"Color-coded ending" lmao 😂.
The Citadel explodes in the destroy ending no matter how powerful the army was. So if any weren't evacuated they're dead.
Same for Synthesis too.
@@ThoraxetheImpaile100 Synthesis is the canon ending. Well to me it is anyway
@@MoviesNGames007uk Synthesis is what Saren parroted in ME1. I find it highly likely that Control / Synthesis are the output of an indoctrinated Shepard.
@@MoviesNGames007uk Me too.
@@MoviesNGames007uk I've chosen every ending and Synthesis makes the most sense to me as a send-off to the Mass Effect universe. I also can't bring myself to sacrifice the Geth and EDI.
Shepard with the Optimus Prime Colors saving the galaxy from the decepticon reapers and their leader Harbinger Megatron. (Or Captain America colors and harbinger is Thanos)
As a transformers fan I prefer option 2 lol
@@meep1998 I gave it some thought you might get this as a transformers fan and what I was thinking is mass effect characters and their transformers counterparts
So of course Shepard is Optimus Prime (and renegade Shepard is nemesis prime)
Liara is Elita-1
Garrus would Bumblebee
Wrex is Ironhide
Mordin is Ratchet
Tali is Arcee
Ashley is Chromia
Grunt is Brawn
James is Bulkhead
Jack is Black Arachnia
Kaiden is wheeljack
Jacob is Jazz
Miranda is Moonracer
Thane is Drift
Samara is windblade
Anderson is Alpha Trion
Udina is Sentinel Prime
And I switched Harbinger to Unicron
And sovereign can be the fallen
Saren is Starscream
Kai Lang is Lockdown
The illusive man is megatron
There is still a few characters I'm thinking on comparing.
I agree with a lot of these (cause holy crap they fit well) but here’s who I’d change:
Wrex as Grimlock(more IDW Grimlock, as Wrex is actually quite intelligent)
Mordin as Perceptor
Tali as Nautica
James as Hot Rod
Just a small amount, everyone else I agree
I feel a mod of this is going to be made for the original trilogy, heck they started making one to address the the collector base and the lack of impact in ME3
Which one is this mod? is it on the nexus?
Yeah which one was that? Been out of the loop on mods since I haven’t touched ME for a couple years but there were some really good ones like the Expanded Galaxy Mod, Spectre Expansion Mod, MEHEM, Less is More Ending, and a bunch of ones that restored cut content.
It's on nexus, it's not much but the mod adds a bunch of different enemies in ME3 if you gave the collector base away at the end of ME 2.
It's called the specter expansion mod, they showcased it last N7 day on the mod youtube page
@@omniemon Thanks for replying !
I wonder if you’ll do a video on the indoctrination theory one day
I still havent gotten the gist of the theory, I know a BioWare employee said it was bs but its still seems interesting
There's no point. It's been done to death and Bioware have confirmed in a rather self-depricating tweet that they weren't that clever
Maybe I will
@@blipus8711 Just because it’s not canon, doesn’t mean it can’t be talked about, it’s called a discussion
@@domenicmiller2398 Long story short. The fans imagination was greater than that of the writers by the time ME3 rolled around. It’s a theory that simply takes existing codex lore and applies it. We were subtly being indoctrinated over time.
Suspect we'll find out: it's one of the loose ends they'll need to tie up for the next game
The 10/10 fqming masterpiece had a lot more than a few plot holes:
www.tapatalk.com/groups/me3explorer/master-list-of-deleted-unused-bugged-content-t1172.html
That was one of those things that I went with during my first playthrough but sticks out more and more on subsequent playthroughs. In particular, moving the citadel seemed like something that needed explaining.
Great timing! I was just thinking about this today
You do a very good bailey, almost thought "how did he hire the actor?"
And that 1 and a half hour gameplay for marauder shields. Rofl😂😂😂
We need a new DLC called "the Fall of the citadel" where all that is explained.
good work Big D :), and here's me still searching planets in mass effect 1 before i go find Saren, loving the game though a lot of cool moments too and characters are great, I wish we had the banter in mako like we do in Andromeda where out companions will chat to each other, i miss that :(
Your impressions are actually legit!
I forgot the name of the ship, but the Asari ship that the council supposedly lives on is in the final battle if you saved them at the end of ME1. So it's very possible the council survived on that ship when the Citadel was being taken.
Good point!
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There's no greater example of them running out of time before they got to flesh the story out properly, than harbinger not only not even being present for most of the game, but also having a blink and you'll miss him amount of screen time at the end.
Big Dan your videos are awesome, I am playing ME Andromeda right now, but your videos put me in context and help me to remember why I liked the saga so much
your better reveal sounded great, especially if you added a line about "it looks like their first coup was just to gather information on our weak points and get to the keepers, who all seem to be descending into the maintenance areas for some reason", since that sounds exactly like a reaper/illusive man type of plan
The game should've had one ending, where everything you did and the choices you made were visualized as much as humanly possible. Like seeing the quarians and geth providing cover for the fleets using their superior ship to ship firepower, you see the krogan/battlemasters going on a berserk rampage saving the humans, you see the turians providing battlefield leadership and holding the line, you see the asari providing barrier support and biotic artillery with the matriarchs/huntresses/justicars ripping ass, you see the salarians and stg/spectres wiping out reapers leader ground forces using precision guerilla strikes, the batarians in arms with humans not as space North Korea anymore, so on and so forth etc. The ending could've been so freaking amazing.
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Also BigDan I want to say thank you for all your work so far, you've inspired me to make my own videos :). All I have to work with and edit is a PS5, but it's allowed me to make what I've always wanted. A start to finish Mass Effect episodic show! It will definitely take lots of time, but will be happy when its done.
There’s one of war asset sections called “Citadel Defense force” so we can assume that Citadel has some sorta prepared Armed forces/Militia and they can put up a fight against reapers forces (maybe trough guerilla tactics). Also it is safe to assume that Bayley or/and Council (Sparatus) is in charge of that forces.
After the Citadel is moved the Citadel Defense Force war assets were still available in the score so I always assumed they were able to perform an evacuation of some kind when the IM/Reapers take the Citadel.
I like to imagine Bailey and Aria leading some sort of citadel resistance during this whole ordeal.
Great video, I've always wondered this
Another great vid Dan! I hope that they will explore what happens when the next Mass Effect rolls around. Whenever that may be
To be fair, ME3 was rushed with a 2 year development schedule. It was the beginning of EA’s downfall. Poor BioWare couldn’t put a lot of ideas they had into the game. That’s why the ending feels rushed as well.
We were also suppose to go to plaven(Turian homeworld),tbh it wasn’t just the ending that was rushed to hell,the whole game is rushed,wished it was given longer to develop
The money guys just don't get that paying 150 million over 3 years for 7 million copies sold and good reception is a much better return on investment than 100 million over 2 years for 7 million copies sold and bad reception for a franchise they want to continue. Imagine how much more money they could swim in if they hadn't botched ME3 and Andromeda and lost all that time not learning the real lesson.
@@billybobsac4421 even if we went to palaven, they would have just given us a tiny glimpse of it like they did with thessia.
I literally just ended ME3 5 mins ago, this is so wierd your answering my question😭
What's weird is how you asked that question 5 minutes after walking past the thousands of bodies stacked along the corridors lol
@@keithbrady7084 like he said, those could’ve been the bodies beamed up rather than the people actually living there
It's honestly a pretty good theory/couple of theories, and I could imagine that there would be some survivors. I always thought or assumed that there may have been, or there were some lucky enough to escape during the Reapers taking of the Citadel, or that some left to join the fleet or the Crucible when the fleets went to Cerberus HQ or during the battle. Honestly, I never gave it much thought until I watched this clip.
That dialogue bit you did with Bailey and Shepard was surprisingly spot on
LOL what a perfect Bailey depiction.
Instead of just a remaster, legendary edition shouldve had a complete redo of the last 2 hours of the game, and tell no one. That would have actually been legendary. No matter what lame slideshows and forced "stay back I need you alive" scenes they added, the ending is still one of the biggest shames in gaming history
Love your vids 🙌🏼
Finally a video of someone actually talking about this I always curious
So I looked this up online once, and one thing I saw a few places was a developer was asked and said all named NPCs lived at least. This feels like a cop out but is as close to cannon as we could get, also note the renegade ending destroys the citadel so I assume that implies some did live and this ending kills them.
Honestly all the side missions of reinforcing the security of the citadel after the betrayal of udina feel so pointless like a big part of the game involving that was cut honestly this could been one hell of a mission seeing the massacre that was about to happen at the citadel priority:citadel but without Shepard he might feel that something is wrong and sends a back up team to investigate the game let's you choose a squad as usual but this squad won't be available for priority Cerberus and priority earth as the mission progresses we see how Cerberus tooks control of the citadel but our reinforcement security helps a little through the battle with the squad helping the resistance but in the end failing but instead of a end game we go back to Shepard leaving us with a cliffhanger until the end of the game for another little mission with the same squad involving trying to open the arms of the citadel again
I always had the theory that thanks to some earlier preparation by C-SEC after the Coup Attempt a portion of the Citadel Residents managed to survive thanks to shelters built into the Keeper Tunnels. This came about after I remembered an earlier bit after the Coup about something about the Keeper Tunnels and that some of the remaining Cerberus Forces managed to retreat to the Tunnels. It was a pain to dig them out of there therefore could have been used later for the same reason when the Reapers took control of the Station.
The fact the voice act for Bailey is also the voice for the doctor from Fallout New Vegas.
Sending a Mass Relay through a Mass Relay feels weird. I always assumed the Reapers somehow moved it.
It is not an assumption. It is what happens. I don’t get why it is even a question…
@@juzoli because it leaves questions such as can a mass relay "relay" itself and how did it do so under the nose of everyone in the first place.
@@rayv98k Not under the nose of everyone. Probably the Reapers showed up with force, and took it. If 1000 Reaper capital ship shows up, then no questions ask.
“Relay can relay itself” is not a mystery… It is a reasonable possibility. Why not? It can have its own drive. Or they just used a regular relay. It is irrelevant. And it doesn’t break any rules or laws.
@@juzoli i get all that, but the question still remains, why wait this long to go for what they usually start with.
As for relays, i wonder if when they were planting those things they had accidental relay relaying while relaying a ship or something and mishaps like that.
@@rayv98k Because they could’t start there, thanks to the Protheans. Now they had to fight through to get there, so it was less important. That already gives you 2 answers:
- Zero losses of capital ships is acceptable only for the Reapers, and fighting the Citadel against a prepared enemy is risky.
- Their routines were broken, and they didn’t really have protocol for this.
In retrospect, it was obviously a mistake, that’s why they lost.
That's actually a pretty good Bailey voice
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I've always wondered about that. Especially Commander Bailey. Also your Shepard looks like he's been watching too many power ranger episodes. lol
I was gonna go with “had their shit pushed in.” For real that massive hole in the plot annoyed me.
It always bothered me not knowing what happened to Bailey,like come the fuck on bioware,y’all really couldn’t have had a little bit of dialogue from Bailey while you walking through the citadel
@@billybobsac4421 for real what the hell happened to colonel tigh!!!!!
They all became the enemies in Anthem
That's one great question I forgot to wonder all this time.
i'd like to think that everyone survived somehow. we do have the Destiny Ascension in the fleet if the Council from ME1 lives, so it's like they are onboard the ship, and like you said, Jacob and Zaeed were on the station before Kronos, so it's not that hard to believe that others left before the Reapers arrived. My headcanon is that many left for Omega, feeling that the asteroid station was more secure, which it kinda was thanks to the coup, even if it was a failure. We won't know for sure until the next game comes out
I would love to see what Mass Effect 3 would be like if they had the time they needed to finish the game. Hopefully Mass Effect 4 is good but I have very low expectations after Andromeda and Anthem, I don't think Bioware can make good games anymore.
Wish they went with the dark energy theory ending. It sounded interesting when tali was talking about it in mass effect 2.
So what would it be?
@@VoxTox you never heard of the dark energy theory ?
@@joshuajefferson3504 It is called dark cause nobody really knows what is it so there are plenty of them)
What would be the ending?
I think Drew had some dark energy plotline going on, and Mac/Casey tossed it when Drew left. I heard that the dark energy plotline was something about the Reapers destroying advanced civilizations to stop us from doing some evil space polluting that is going to destroy the galaxy's stars or some such nonsense.
@@droe2570 it was mainly explained that dark energy was cause by the overuse of the mass relay's and biotic's so the reapers would harvest everything every 50k years. That way it allowed the dark energy to dissipate so it wouldn't destroy the galaxy.
Also how much time is there between the start and end of Mass Effect 3? The only references to the length of time I've heard is at least 2 days between the Reapers first attacking Palaven and Shepard showing up to get Garrus, and then 2 weeks between their attack on Joker's home colony (which I'm guessing happened around the time Earth was attacked as I found the Asari Huntress on the Citadel when I visited Kaiden immediately after Mars) and Thessia.
I can not remember exactly where, but I do remember that it was mentioned that "everyone made it off of the citadel". I will have to replay that part of the game, but I do remember it being mentioned by one NPC.
Did anyone else play all the way through ME:1-ME:3 Legendary Edition, got the destroy option, but didnt get the scene of Shepard breathing at the end? I swear I did everything in all 3 games. 🤔
Yah I think they removed it. I did everything too and even got dialogue indicated my war score was high, but no final Shepard scene.
you gotta have certain Effective Military Strength to get that scene, more than 4000 I believe and pick the Destroy option, then you get the ending that indicates Shepard still alive at the end.
@@Just_a_Jape nah they didn’t. You just have to get your war assists. I got the ending where he took a breath
@@stewart1234 that’s strange because I’ve gotten that ending every time I’ve played (which is more than I care to admit) and I played the same way I always did.
@@Just_a_Jape yeah I’m with you there. I just got close to every war asset I could get and picked the ending and got it
Just finished the legendary edition of me3. I looked at the other arms of the citadel when Shepard finally reaches the station and I'm pretty sure you could still see the skycars flying around just like normal. Which I thought was kinda odd since the whole station has moved and is now under reaper control. Probably just an oversight by the devs but i did think it was weird.
I thought too but looking carefully, it’s actually debris
I can't get the image out of my head of the Reapers showing up to the Citadel with a giant U-Haul truck.
Agreed, it's frustrating not knowing!
Random thought: It is really weird that we treat bioware almost like a soccer team, most of the founderes and significant countributors are already out, the new approach they have at games is totally different from what made we fall in love with them. Comparing ME1 and DAO that had compelling stories but a more "peculiar" gameplay, to MEA, DAI and Anthem, that have kinda of a bland story compared to the first two, but a more market friendly gameplay, makes me think that whatever the next Mass Effect will be, it will be made by totally different people, and a totally different enviroment.
ME1 had diversity in a time diversity was not a thing, i mean liara is basically a bisexual alien, in a lot of ways ME1 brought to me many concepts and ideas that were a bit ahead of its time and also not very common in most "AAA" games.
Now, MEA and Anthem simples seems to try to reproduce whatever is "in vogue", most of its writers are not in love with sci-fi or ME, but with things outside its universe.
At least with DAI they were not so drastic, the gameplay focus is pretty clear, but they were able to maintain both "combats types" and a somewhat good stories. Of course the main villain is not even new, and most of the characters are not so great, even if they had more potential, but at least they also focused on the story aspects...
Come to think of it, MEA also kind of recycles the same "villain idea" with *spoilers* the same theme that they just turn other aliens into "husks" *spoilers*
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I mean, we know Liara is a part of the next mass effect to some extent.
" liara is basically a bisexual alien"
The Asari being all female bisexuals is a trope, not a new idea in sci-fi at all. We have a literary history going back over 100 years of writers creating female-only utopias or dystopias. The idea of all-female societies goes back thousands of years.
I'm just adding my opinions, not commenting specifically on yours, many of which I agree with.
I think early BioWare games are victims of "rose tinted glasses" where people overplay their strengths and underplay their weaknesses. They offered something new, exciting and incredibly engaging. However, I don't have a particular negative opinion about later games. DA:I is my favorite DA game to replay. I thought the story and characters were great. (Returning villain, but it offered a lot of insight into the magisters and the lore that was only hinted at in the Legacy DLC.) I think it mostly suffered because BioWare just doesn't have the hang of open world, so there was too much "filler." I enjoyed ME:A generally, but in addition to the open world problem, the story and characters were mostly "meh." I still felt it had its moments throughout, and the gameplay was amazing. DA2 had a *lot* of flaws, mostly because EA forced a rushed development, but it still had some amazing emotional story and gameplay elements that still get to me to this day.
My only point is that I think gamers (in general, don't mean you) need to stop falling into the psychological fallacy of "splitting" where games are either perfect or crap. They all have good and bad qualities & things they do well and things that fall flat, and the design choices made by the devs are simply not going to resonate with everyone.
@@yggdrasil1969 Loved your comment, very insightful and polite!
I actually finished Legendary edition earlier tonight and this is something that always bothered me. Very lazy storytelling from Bioware here.
From my understanding a whole lengthy segment was written out, but EA... Accelerated the process. They were too egar to wrap up the plot. That's why they released the extended ending for free for the massive backlash.
@@playstation10able Yeah i kinda got that. Still dont like it. Still i love the game though.
It wasn’t their fault, EA rushed the studio. Originally the reason the Reapers showed up would have even been entirely different; rather than them being part of a greater Organic/Synthetic conflict, it would have been that use of the mass relays began to distort and destroy the fabric of space-time, and the Reaper harvest prevented the Milky Way from collapsing in on itself. This original plot line was tied into the ME2 Harstrom mission with the sun aging rapidly, it would have been the first example of how mass relay use was warping the fabric of the universe.
@@MrSoopSA yes and they completely dropped that plot point for muh roburts vs muh humons
@@MrSoopSA this makes sense... The game is called "Mass Effect" afterall and not "Synthetic Effect" ;).
I always wondered what happened to everyone who lived on the citadel, or maybe like a cutscene seeing people trying to evacuate aka the council on the destiny ascension
I always thought that the Council brought the Citadel to earth because it was part of the crucible, I never realized it was Cerberus, probably because of how they dance around the subject and because of the same reasons you said, that it would be unlikely for Cerberus to take the Citadel after they already failed once and took major casualties since then.
We will probably learn when the new game comes out.
Better plot: Cerberus tries fixing everyone’s perspective of them by supplying troops and supplies for the war effort and we spend the game playing with expensive toys on the front lines verses reapers...
Instead of Cerberus... Like why were they the main enemy of the final game.
Cerberus should have been the main enemy in ME2, and defeating them should have led to finding stolen knowledge/artifacts with which we discover how to ultimately defeat the Reapers.
Solid Bailey impression! 😂👌
@Big Dan Gaming not sure if you or anyone else has mentioned this, right after the Cerberus attack on the Citadel, an NPC says in the holding docks that Cerberus assassinated Kelly Chambers.
Years ago, there was a question asked of a developer and they made the claim that there were emergency shelters and the like on the citadel and that is where most the citizens went.
That being said. Control ending leaves the Citadel intact and the Earth/Sol is the implied new center of the galaxy....per Humanity's destiny watched over by The Shepard.
Which would be the best setup for ME4.
Control ending is ass. Perfect Destroy where Shep survives is the best and likely ending for canonization.
I doubt control is, they showed destroyed Reapers on the snow, and destroyed Mass Relays(also Perfect destroy ending is the highest war assests to get, and also destroy is the lowest war assests to get in general)
@@TexasToast712 I get your argument.
Sometimes the best narratives are when the Hero sacrifices themselves to accomplish what the villains had wanted to do or couldn't do.
I think we can agree that ME4 isn't taking place 20 minutes after ME3 ended simply because the destroy ending wipes out EDI, the Geth, and anyone (including shepard) who has synthetic parts. Who really wants to play that?
Or Control leaves everyone and many fan favorite races and characters intact outside of various game choices and gives you a possibility of 700 years later Matriarch Liara assembles a team to find "the shepard" and when you do ME4 its "your" shepard from your legendary saves and for a DLC lets use your andromeda saves.
but but but hidden scene...
@@crestonchi5427 best destroy ending wont kill shepard, but the Star Child told shepard he/she will die in this ending, so it lied, probably. But it would be pointless if there is only one ending where shepard truly survives and it is also the ending wich required the most work, so it was somewhat intentional.
But why would an Emotionless ai lie? I think me 4 will play after me 3 and the best destroy ending is Canon
@@deadspacemasseffect Control can still be canon (and is in my opinion). Reapers WERE destroyed during the war. Relays can be destroyed I.E the alpha relay in Arrival. And we know from the trailer that Synthesis definitely didn't happen because Liara is old or at the very least older. If she isn't a Matriarch in 4 she'll at the very least be in her Matron years. So yes, while Destroy is probably the canon ending, Control could still be an option, and a much more preferable one at that.
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In a more hopeful option, when the Reapers arrived to take the station the Fleet which would have been present to defend the station held them back long enough for at least some of the Citadel's residents to escape. Allowing the Council and everyone we love to make it out
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but don't you see a lot of lights from traffic moving in the distance inside the closed Citadel during the final confrontation with the Illusive Man? That would indicate that a lot of people were still alive and moving around the Citadel.