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Security-wise I would say the opposite is true. SMS still goes over the same telco signalling APIs, meaning they do not touch the internet. Any messenger app is going to struggle competing with that in terms of security in transit. In terms of security at rest, there's perhaps an advantage of apps over SMS, but I'm not even sure about that: end to end encryption "ends" on the device.
On the plus side, it allows the android user to dodge a bullet because if someone is so judgemental about someone's lack of iPhone it will no doubt extend to other aspects of that person's life.
Segregation and discrimination are embedded in American history and culture. It's as if this unplanned segregation based on the colour of your text message was willingly embraced and glorified by American young generation who doesn't have permission to openly discriminate on the basis of ethnicity.
apple users are so annoying if something is android exclusive they Btch untill they get it but android users just eat Sheeeeiiit when somethings apple only.
Probably or have work connections outside the US. I mean I don’t use whatsaap as a choice in my country it’s a must just like iMessage seems to be in the US but for different reason but at least I can enjoy any brand of phone without feeling ostracized.
So weird that android as a reputation of being a "poor person" OS despite flagship Samsungs etc. being just as expensive as iPhones. My friends are all stuck in the apple ecosystem meanwhile I'm out here with my free Spotify premium, free UA-cam premium, emulating games, installing apps outside the store, having expandable storage, and a better camera, despite my phone costing about half of what they paid for theirs. I really do not get the appeal of paying more for a less functional product and then having a superiority complex about it. It's just tribalism, pure and simple.
@@Jebu911 _"Id get it if apple was american made product"_ Thugs are thugs. It's even worse when they're from your own country. If there is such a thing as an evil ocmpany, it is Apple.
I live in Europe and iphone uses here simply accept that they have to have Whatsapp and maybe 1-2 other messaging apps on their phone, because they know most people don't have iphones, and Android users don't like regular SMS. Iphone users here can't get away with being discriminatory against Android users, because they'd have to lose touch with like 70% of their friends and family.
I live in europe and all my friends have to accept they have to install telegram because i refuse to have a Facebook product know about my daily messaging. Plus telegram has always been ages ahead of whatsapp in features, anything whatsapp has "new" was copied from telegram. I'm baffled by people's resistence to switch away from whatsapp, It's not any better than americans with iphones really.
It isn’t even about “having to accept” anymore. Nowadays most young adults, at least here in the Netherlands, have an iPhone but we’ve become so used to whatsapp that it’s become a no-brainer. I never text or iMessage someone, despite practically everyone I know owning an iPhone, it just feels more natural to use WhatsApp.
I live in USA and I’ve been using WhatsApp for 12 years because all my phones have been Android, and over all, it’s a good a messaging app. I recently switched to an iPhone, but will continue to use WhatsApp.
Whatsapp was garbage because it only allowed install on a single device. Thus if my phone was charging and I was using my PC or tablet I was out of touch. I believe you can now log into Whatsapp on multiple devices but the damage is done and I hate the app. On my one device that has Whatsapp it keeps logging me out or flagging my account as spam. Overall a garbage experience.
@@mementomori29231WhatsApp desktop version works perfectly with the phone (android). I have no idea about Apple but Apple is famous for not being friendly with apps from competitors
@@mementomori29231 seems like a you problem because ive been using whatsapp only for more than a decade and never had issues with logging in with different devices
You should care about the outdated features (even security features) of SMS though. If I had friends with an Apple phone I would make them install a messaging app.
That's fine for Apple. People are unlikely to switch ecosystems anyway once they have owned a smartphone for a while. But for kids it's still an open choice and if not wanting to get bullied leads them to choose Apple, they will propably stick with Apple for most of their lives. It's in the best interest of Apple that this kind of bullying exists because that creates more live-long users for them.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 um k, but as a woman of a certain age, over 30, i give no effs about the security features of a text i send that says, "i'm here""i'll call you back" "wya" lol. like NO effs.
As an European I see it this way : 1) Americans don't travel so much abroad, so they do not need to spend a lot on international phonecalls. 2) Market behaviour: They tend to use the default app for anything they do. Like : the default browser, the default mapping service, and so on. 3) Unlimited text messages even for the cheapest plans. They basically send short messages. 4) iPhone marketshare. In the USA, iPhone is over 60% meanwhile in Europe is 25%. That means that features like iMessage and Facetime, sending large files, reactions, read receipts are allready built in to the phone. And since 6 of 10 smartphones in USA are iPhones, it is easy to reach someone. In other words if an American goes to Europe, and meets someone over there and wants to resch him/her remember that only 3 out of 10 phones are iPhones. So they will be forced to switch : no free texting, no Facetime, no imessage, no read receipts, no way to send files by the default apps on the iPhone.
@@qazatqazah I got an Android phone, but it's a beefy one, with 128 GB of storage. I so far installed around 10 other chat apps from the Play Store - both because I use them, and because I find their concepts interesting. If anyone wants to reach me out without that "sick-inducing" green bubble, they have lots of options. A phone's primary function is communication!
It's awful that young people "bully " each other over what kind of phone you have, but it's even more sad that people feel ostracized over what phone you have. There are FAR LARGER issues to be concerned about
But the worst part is that THE DUMB PEOPLE ARE WINNING. Like, if they at least bullied the people with overpriced crap phones, that would still be unacceptable behaviour, but might at least lead some of them to making more economically responsible decisions. But instead the people with the overpriced crap-phones are bullying the people with the market leader phones because... idk, they're dumb...? And in that way influence some people to make *economically dumber* decisions 🙄
I didn't know any of this. Thank you, Matthias. I'm American and ive always had an Android phone. I didn't want to be an Apple conformist. I've never had anyone mention my green bubbles. Maybe that's because I'm over 60.
Down here in Brazil, that blue bubble-green bubble stuff was never a thing. Even if you have an iPhone, you're just expected to have WhatsApp on your phone if you want to talk to anyone. People would look at you really strange if you only used iMessage, even if those people also have iPhones. It's just a more confusing "app".
Love your videos and coming from someone who lives in the US it's crazy how so many people judge green bubbles and can't just use other messaging apps like other countries can
The key thing that you’re overlooking is that other doubted joined out of necessity. If you’re paying for messaging and Americans damn near get it free, why would we be incentivized to use a third party messenger? Why would an (American) iPhone use a third party app when they get the best experience with iMessage? You can’t understand it because you were forced to use third party apps. Because there is no other reason to use third party apps, many Americans don’t have a reason to seek them out. Now Apple is allowing rcs, there’s less reason to use other apps.
@@GenAfterNextTactics LOL, is that supposed to be an insult? 😂 It seems like a comment meant to be an extreme illustration of that odd phenomenon discussed in the video.
I find it hilarious that Apple users could ever consider themselves to be in any position to bully anyone when they are the perennial butt of the joke.
I think people use WhatsApp for it’s ease of use and the connectivity, not so much about privacy or data. It’s a chatting app anyway, not for serious stuffs. Just ONE app for everything and having the same people and world-wide connections, is unbeatable. It’s easy when you travel, everyone and every country is on WhatsApp. I had an Amazon delivery guy contacted me on WhatsApp in Saudi Arabia and it’s seamless. No change of phone number or sim, etc. it can be run on PC too. Having group chats keep information and updates easy or group video chats seamless and organised in one place. And having ‘business WhatsApp’ over personal keep everything compartmentalised but not separated. I use iPhone, but haven’t use the SMS for more than 15 years. No one does here.
As an America who travels to Europe at least once a year for work and talk with people in Europe and South America almost daily. Along with my wife who talks with her Swiss family via Whatsapp. We use Whatsapp all the time. However, my friends in the USA don't like it for some reason. Its annoying.... they only iMessage and its dumb.
i once try WhatApps, then i have to convice every1 i know to get on it too. then every1 new person i meet need to be on it too and on and on. with imessenge adn sms, it defualt and usage ur phone number. no new acct or any of those BS. ez, simple and convienient. that why most of us just stay with sms and imessenge
thanks for the video, mate! it's very entertaining to watch this unecxpectable theme about the US as a guy, who lives in Ukraine , where the procent of iphone users is even much lesser than in Germany, we here mostly use not whatsapp, but telegram and viber. And yep, I agree with the fact of whatsapp popularity in Europe, cause almost all my friends from western and central europe send messages to me with whatsapp.
Yeah, Telegram as the main messenger/social media is very much a post-Soviet phenomenon. In Central and Western Europe, it's mostly used by people who don't want to be cancelled for various reasons (covid skeptics, far Right people etc.)
I‘m not trying to defend Apple or any company, they‘re all evil, but I‘m failing to see how Apple is at fault for people not using Whatsapp, it‘s not like Apple has banned it from the App Store.
The blue vs green bubble debate is a feature not a bug. It allows people to self filter, if you are going to stop dating me when you find out I have an android phone, I probably wouldn't want to date you anyways, and now you have saved me the time and hassle of filtering you out myself.
Something that a lot of people seem to forget was the impact that Blackberry messenger had even before imesage and WhatsApp in the Americas. What this other apps basically copied the main functions of BBM onto more modern and better devices
telegram is popular in the states but mainly for drug dealing and for some reason sharing homework among high school students. whenever i see anyone mention it from the us its for one of those two things
SMS is being actively replaced by RMS in the United States, which answers all the problems of SMS. It is being done so seamlessly that most people who use RMS aren't even aware of the changes. Messages are longer, end to end encryption is automatic, full size video and photography is sent between. And there is no ostrization of non RMS users. They merely receive an SMS version. Apple is always about gratuitous snobbery. Android is about interactivity without playing the elite. RMS is the answer. Apple is a despicable company and I will never own an Apple product of any kind. Bullying with overpriced tech is absolutely beyond the pale. We should all hate Apple for this.
Yeah, that's the ticket! Too many three letter acronyms starting with R. And RCS is also reaction control system on spacecraft! Thanks for the correction.
@@sluggo206 You have to enable it, but from what I remember the sms app actively asks you about it first time its available. Your reciepient needs to have RCS enabled as well and then all future sms will be end-to-end encrypted. some 60-70% of my android sms contacts have enabled RCS. It's becoming standardised, thankgod. I don't like having all them messaging apps, hate it in fact. RCS even made Signal redundant, RCS is awesome.
@@sluggo206If your phone can use RCS, and it's talking to another phone that uses RCS, it tells you by displaying RCS on the bottom. If it's communicating with an SMS phone it says SMS on the bottom. But there is no red bubble/blue bubble crap to embarrass or humiliate anyone. If you have an SMS phone you just get the message as normal. If you are trying to send an attachment too large for SMS, the RCS phone gets the message that can't happen and you have to find another way to send the attachment.
In Canada, everyone I know uses SMS. Whatsapp requires internet, I believe, while SMS works without using internet data (or if it does, we don't get charged anything).
In Europe most of the phones use prepaid plans where you have an insane amount of data (like 100 gb for 30 euro per month) and a fair amount of call minutes, but almost zero sms included. For example I pay 0.29 euros extra for each sms I send, on top of my monthly plan. So it is far less expensive to just use data to send messages via WhatsApp or any other messaging app. Keep in mind that here there are not many places without data connection, and also thanks to free roaming you can basically use part of your monthly data in any other EU country. Plus, you cannot send photos, videos or audio messages with sms... Basically I now receive a few sms a month, all from my bank or other services. I of course don't need to reply to those.
@@sabrinasambo7570 Wow 30€, that's a lot... here in Italy you can have 40 gb per 5 €, or 120 gb for 8€, with unlimited minutes and unlimited SMS (not that someone uses those, tbc)...
Technically this isn't true. It used to be true but it isn't anymore. Mobile operators just send sms using 3g/4g protocols as it's cheaper doing that than having a separate infrastructure to support. Because sms is ridiculous low bandwidth as it only uses a maximum of 120 characters per text using 7 bits the operators gave it away with unlimited texts because it hardly consumes anything but sadly it's also not that popular. The point is that under the hood it is sent using a data connection, your just using less bandwidth for it
@@scottcampbell2707 we (Americans at least) don’t call it SMS in casual conversation. Just “text/ texting” it’s weird hearing someone say SMS so much in a video.
The only thing as a Canadian Android user and WhatsApp user that I somewhat envy about iMessage is the ability to make smart emojis and stickers. But it's such a minor thing to be worried about, never mind what friggin' colour your message bubble is. I'm rather glad I went thru school long before all this nonsense. Imagine being bullied over the brand of phone you have. 🙄
Yeah I'm socially blind, pretty much, I knew something like this existed but I didn't really give a flip since I hate Apple. It doesn't let me fiddle with my settings like an Android, I grew up learning tech on a Windows 95 and I learned fuck around with my settings.
For the record: I'm European, I don't use WhatsApp. Everybody around me is using mainly Facebook messenger. Or Viber. But not WhatsApp. IPhone users counts as hipsters in my country, who are willing to pay several months of income to a phone.
@@jvmcosta85 I'm sure you cannot understand it, but not everybody wants to bus an iPhone. Even if a used one are much cheaper. The closed architecture repels me. You cannot upload a simple mp3 on it. Don't forget that you need a 10x more expensive accessories for it. A simple USB cable costs a fortune. No thanks.
BTW, if I'm calling a country other than the US, Canada, or Mexico (or not inside one of these countries), I am charged 25¢/min for a voice call. However, WhatsApp and Face Time are included in my plan for no additional charge.
Yes, indeed. Very confused as to how he could have made this mistake. Apparently this UA-cam has not decided to do proper research before making this video
Eh no, It was created by a Ukrainian immigrant in the US (Jan Koum) and an American (Brian Acton). They met at Yahoo in the US. Whatsapp was incorporated in California in 2009.
Only immigrants use whatsapp in the US mainly because they can stay in touch with fam back home. You hit a good point there SMS is free no reason to use a different messaging platform. I myself tried whatsapp in the past till I discovered Telegram 8 years ago.
Yes, it used to be that voice calls were the cash cow. Now data and hyping 5G are the cash cow, so unlimited voice and SMS are practically given away as a side benefit>
I'm an American and back in the day lots of people I know used ICQ. Also I have no problems sending high quality pictures over sms, and I can see the 3 bouncing dots when other android users are typing, so I question how up to date your information is.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had no Idea. I thought Whatsapp was a worldwide favourite. The fact that is US created, im Shocked. You deserve more subs also, your videos are quality.
Why co-founder of WhatsApp Brian Acton left and set up his own messaging service Signal is worth investigating. What he states about WhatsApp now, their commercialisation and their so-called end-to-end encryption is very interesting.
It's too cumbersome, adoption rate isn't high enough. Used to use Signal when it allowed non-signal users to recieve sms. Much like iMessage works. Things changed for Signal, they no longer allow that. Bounced me back to regular SMS with end-to-end encryption through RCS. Adoption rate much higher. Properitary messaging apps, hate them.
Why do people consider a closed source program safe because it is encrypted? It is only safe so long as apple doesn't decide to turn your encryption off, or read or scan it like they already do.
MEXICO is another country where WhatsUp is use mainly. I am an Android/ Samsung phones user. Have never wanted an apple phone. My daughters have Apple phones. My youngest wants to change to an Android because my camera seems to be better than her new Apple phone. I want my daughters to be able to video visit. Everyone else in our immediate family has one or another form of Android.
WhatsApp is used in pretty much the entire world. There are exceptions, like in Japan I think they use mainly Line, and in the US where they use the Apple messaging app, but generally speaking WhatsApp is what is used in almost the entire world.
10:40 I'm sick of 90% of phones around me in public being iphones and this "Rich and Poor" culture being a thing over here, this is one more reason for me to move to Europe where the culture isn't so toxic around what phone you have. Also I love the EU bc they are actually doing something about the tyrannical reign of big tech!
The EU Competition Authority is usually very misguided about this 'tyrannical reign '. Making Apple use USB-C is fine, and making it open up the iOS / iPadOS systems for sideloading and competing app stores is also a good thing. But the Commission has always been going after Google and Meta the wrong way.
For me, the fact that bubble colour is an issue, automatically dis qualifies that person as partner material. They are simply too shallow for long term relationships.
I live in the UK, and I use an iPhone, but I turned off iMessage (so no blue bubbles) because it's a pain when you're roaming in a country where data is expensive, so you turn data off. I don't really trust Meta, so I don't use Whatsapp (or any other messaging service for that matter). I still use SMS messages, or if I want to include photos, then I use email. SMS and email work and are not platform dependent, so why not use those?
While the interaction with door greeter and cashier are pretty normal interactions for us, even if most other retail stores do not have a greeter. Even for Americans that sort of employee meeting and chant are considered annoying and super fake, hopefully they quit trying to push that on staff.
SMS also works flawlessly if you are connected to a tower regardless of which generation tower you are connected to. Most apps stop working on 3g networks, and are even worse on 2g or 1g networks. SMS also uses almost no battery life when compared to messaging apps. You left a lot more out of this video. Also sms is universal world wide, not everyone has what's app, everyone has sms, every single person on earth who has a phone plan has sms.
Ive avoided apple products since they DRM away the music i bought in itunes in 2004. Maybe they changed their policies since then. But when they also messed with the pictures people took of me then sent to my android device. Only reaffirmed my decision.
I'm going to be that guy. I'm an American and one of the 68.1 - 85.8 million. Even if I hate meta as a company, I can recognize a superior product and take advantage of what it has to offer. Besides, I was dragged kicking and screaming into using it by another American friend who uses it exclusively for chat. But yes, I DID learn something!
Wait, but if in 2011 there were 2 trillion messages sent, and in 2022 it's the same it actually means there's a decline in SMS... Because there are now more people using phones and sending texts happens more?
The only use I have for Whatsapp is for staying in contact with my daughter. She moved to Portugal this year and immediately had me install it on my phone so that she could call and text with me free. It is amazingly good but no one else I know uses it. I love having text and voice without charges for overseas but I do have to be very careful with time zones. But then I am 71 so not much peer pressure like kids today.
Apple has become IBM. Imagine being such an empty humanbeing that you judge people on the phone they have....the world judges you American Apple conformists
@@sparkylfc91well, at least they're proud of being weirdly cliquey over using a superior product for less money. Most Americans meanwhile are proud of being weirdly cliquey over using literal trash for like twice as much money as an actual good product would cost. I know which one of the two I find more cringe 😂
The americans in the states that use what's app are probably the ones that travel internationally or have family that's oversees many americans who dnt travel internationally or dnt have family outside the united states dnt really have a need to use it. I also primarily use andriod many andriod phones in america have a app called messages already preinstalled on their phone thats what many of us use by default because its already preinstalled on our phones
I have family in the US. They all have i-phones and use WhatsApp. It was from them that I first heard that most Americans don't. They couldn't explain why however.
"messages" on android isn't really an app, it's just the phone sending an SMS. Phones have been able to send SMS-messages since way before smartphones, like he said in the video SMS messages have existed since the 1980s.
This is true. I’m American and all the people I message use the messaging app thats already installed on our phones. I’ve never used WhatsApp, even when I travel outside the US.
😂😂,,,i understand...man the rest of the world moved on along time ago...if you left usa youll need to get it because no one uses sms anymore..its very rare....
@@TransportGeekery SMS and even voice calls especially in countries outside the USA was very costly. The amount of data required for sending text messages via data is extremely minimal and if connected to WiFi doesn’t require a data plan either. So when apps like What’s App first appeared people in those countries jumped on it as they could get unlimited text messaging and voice calls for free with WIFI with either no data plan or the cheapest monthly phone plan. Here in the USA even the cheapest phone plans included unlimited class and texts so they didn’t take off. When What’s App launched it was really only useful to those who travelled to places their phone plans didn’t cover and or had friends or relatives that lived outside the USA which is a relatively small part of the population
RSC is hardly a real solution. It still requires telcos to support it. There are a million small or nor so small telco who will never bother. Encryption is not standardized. And as far as I can see it's as open to spam as the telephone system
The real question is why anyone uses WhatsApp. It’s terrible. It arguably violates the GDPR privacy laws. It won’t function well unless you give it access to all the contact information on your device, and you have no right to do that without asking every person in your address book first.
WhatsApp isn't good, I don't like how due to it's network effects it's essentially become a social requirement to exist in Europe. However many of its alternatives like Telegram have their own issues (although I personally prefer Telegram). But having a service which most people can use for free to communicate is not a bad thing. It's definitely better than say Instagram Directs or as is the case in the US, iMessage.
Also from a user experience perspective. It's so annoying, it lacks so many features, and also I constantly lose images, videos and messages, because it doesn't have a cloud, and I either forget to make a backup or stuff magically disappears for some reason. And if I don't have it installed, messages that I receive, just disappear into the void, they don't go anywhere. It's so annoying that people are so resistant to change for the better, it's also really sad. Just evolve, find new and better solutions.. but everyone just prefers to stagnate apparently
Because it's what everyone uses, there is no point in installing a chatting app that no one else has. I mean, I'd prefer if we used another app not owned by Meta, but if I have to communicate with a costumer, contact a business, or even everyday things like chatting with a friend or family member, or being up to date in a workplace / class group chat, my only option is to use WhatsApp.
SMS was introduced as a text message service with the introduction of the first GSM mobile network. That was in 1994, not in 1984. Before 1994 we only had analog mobile networks that didn’t support text messaging services.
4:05 actually, using WhatsApp is the actual problem (data collection in violation of the EU GDPR). And the same for all those applications that force the usage of a phone number as an identifier, and then force the user to give access to the contacts list so that the app can be used or work properly. The problem is: the list is from the consenting user, but the contacts on it aren't, and so it's for each contact to give or refuse consent.
Messaging is the one field where I am not frugal on my phone. Why? Because there's always a risk of one service dying. Remember the times when WhatsApp was down? I switched to Telegram or SMS messaging. Does my carrier have no signal in a certain area? Simple, I go to the nearest Wi-Fi hotspot and message people on Messenger or WhatsApp etc. So besides the usual apps that most people use or that I have used all the time, I also have an XMPP client (Conversations), a Matrix client (both XMPP and Matrix are decentralized platforms, just like email) and Briar - which is an app that allows you to communicate via direct Wi-Fi or even Bluetooth.
Yup, If you reliably need to contact someone SMS is used all of the time because you know for a fact the recipient can accept it. Friends may have a snapchat group, particular subsets of people use it. FB messanger is people whos invested all their social and contacts in the FB universe but young people have been turned off FB for a couple of years now, if not a decade. SMS RCS is the future, let us laugh about the time when everyone had a dozen different messaging apps on their devices, it was dumb.
Idk about the rest of the world, but the group chat app that’s gained the most momentum in the US is Discord. And for years now my android shows anyone message for me as whatever color I want. And the Apple change doesn’t bother because if an Apple user gets snobby with me I just laugh at them
Even Discord looks like the wasteland that used to be Yahoo before Yahoo died on the vine and shut down their social media. Every channel I've subscribed to on Discord has no activity.
@@RockinRobbins13 I specifically choose not to subscribe to too many servers because they are mostly active as hell, and I can't keep up with the flow.
I'm not from USA, I'm from Europe and some companies are making it mandatory to not use WhatsApp (for professional business), even some lawyer firms, instead they are using Signal. I got used to Signal, and my friends also use it, so we are fine, even if they didn't use, we could use regular SMS to talk to eachother.
As an American android user, who knows more android users than iPhone users, I feel like this video misses the point. Yes iPhone users are culty with their messenger service, no that's not why Americans don't use WhatsApp. It's viewed as a poor foreigner app. I dislike apple users as much as the next person but they're not to blame here. Also the lack of mention of FB messenger is weird. It's normally the alternative.
"But what if I were to tell you that here, in the United States of America, [...] the situation is a bit different?" I would give a fake little gasp, clasp a hand over my mouth and pretend to be very shocked by the fact that the country who somehow continues to mistake its own third-world status as being "the best" would *also* mistake overpriced crap for good technology and thus miss out on technology that actually works 🤷🏻 (Warning, this comment may contain hints of irony)
WhatsApp sucks tho. If you don’t have iMessage that’s okay but we’re using SMS and nothing else (especially now we’re getting RCS on iPhone, there’s literally no reason to use WhatsApp)
I find it more interesting that WhatsApp has become the preferred method of messaging outside the US. It’s had loads of privacy issues in the past and is owned by Meta which hasn’t had a great track record. I don’t really see any unique features WhatsApp has over other messaging platforms. So it surprises me that it’s still so popular and other messaging apps haven’t managed to compete with it.
It's shit, but once something like that gets so big it's really hard to displace, because it relies on everyone else also making the switch. I use Telegram with those who have it, but leaving whatsapp entirely is not feasible for most people.
The thing is that if you want to be able to send text messages to others, photos, videos, and be in group chats, you need to have WhatsApp. And people won't switch over to another app just because it has some privacy issues, if it were that simple we would all be using Linux by now since Windows is bloated with spyware, yet it's still the dominant OS. Once something becomes the standard, it has to be really bad for enough people to even begin to consider an alternative. Even as a work tool you still need it if you have a business for example or are a freelance worker because most customers will try to contact you through WhatsApp, and most likely won't bother writing to you if they have to send an Email or an SMS, or make a call.
it's on my phone,, but I use only in absolute necessity,, as it's a meta app and I don't want zuckerberg to know anything about me that I can avoid letting him know.
So interesting! I knew about the US not using WhatsApp or other messengers, but I didn't know why, and certainly didn't know about this ridiculous "war". Thank you for this fun and educational video!
I live in Turkey and iMessage is basically non-existent here. Even people who brag about having an iPhone all day don't know it. I believe that's because the default messaging app is known to be strictly for SMSes and sending media files via MMS was super expensive back in the day, so people hesitated even when there was a small group who had iPhones back in early 2010s, and Samsung got in the market faster than Apple did in 2012 with the Galaxy S3 series.
I'm not clear on something. Do either Iphone users or Android phone users need to do anything to get this new standard, or will it happen auotomatically?
I don't understand why you wouldn't use SMS? Like, okay, at one point you might have had to pay per SMS, but I don't remember when that was, so probably many people my age and down don't either. I have WhatsApp because I can text internationally for free with it, but that is literally its only use.
I think it’s the people’s fault to react that extremely. As a person one can choose to enjoy apple only features and to respect if others don’t. It’s like the lady suing McDonald’s for the coffee being hot instead of just being more careful. People forget they have their own choice and responsibility.
60 usd for the cheapest mobile plan is nuts. And they give unlimited 3g while the 3g towers in my country got taken down a couple of months ago. I pay around 28€ for 3 phones, unlimited everything except internet, only one phone has 50gb
It took you a long time to say what WhatsApp's features are compared to SMS, and my American thought was, "Who needs those?" Not enough to sign up for a Meta service when SMS works fine. Except encryption, but most of my small number of messages are non-sensitive. As for Apple users behaving cult-like, that goes back decades long before smartphones. Just because those conceited T-shirts exist doesn't mean a lot of people are buying them.
I don't use WhatsApp because it's owned by Facebook. That's my reason, not device based as I own an Android. I do know my mom uses it to communicate with family living in the Philippines. I stand by my green bubble, if you don't like it we aren't friends simple as that. As a power user I need the control Android gives.
I was being left out of the Facetime and Iphone videos being a Android user. I kind of agree with your FB argument, but Meta does not tie WhatsApp to the FB and Instagram platforms. There are Android hacks for getting Facetime. I never had one work more than 20-30 seconds before failing. The problem with that is, for me to see if it's improved I have to beg a Iphone user to play along to try. Getting a Iphone video clip via messaging results in something the size of stick of gum and resolution that looks like 120P. Whatsapp just works. Apple keeps the good stuff like messaging and Facetime in their ecosystem to keep users from escaping. Anyone focusing on colored bubbles has issues.
I’m American and travel abroad a great deal. We tried using WhatsApp on both of our phones and it took them over. Disrupted contacts, changed info like emails and area codes, just a lot of problems. We don’t care for apps that take over your device in those ways. Maybe it’s changed and doesn’t do that now, but that’s why we don’t use it.
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Lol that's cool, I was so expecting an American accent. Caught me off guard, when you started speaking 😂
Thank you for the RCS update!
This scam is popular in poor and backward countries. Like Germany.
Security-wise I would say the opposite is true. SMS still goes over the same telco signalling APIs, meaning they do not touch the internet. Any messenger app is going to struggle competing with that in terms of security in transit.
In terms of security at rest, there's perhaps an advantage of apps over SMS, but I'm not even sure about that: end to end encryption "ends" on the device.
Imagine being so shallow that you're willing to unfriend or stop dating someone based on what smart phone they have.
Yeah the only thing this was good for is discriminating people based on shallow and unimportant ideas....
On the plus side, it allows the android user to dodge a bullet because if someone is so judgemental about someone's lack of iPhone it will no doubt extend to other aspects of that person's life.
That is the american way 😂😂😂
@@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu that's f-d up💀
Well the avarage american has the depth of a rubber dingy so thats not to hard to imagion.
On the other hand, who really wants to hang out or date people that discriminate others based on having or not an iPhone? :)
Segregation and discrimination are embedded in American history and culture. It's as if this unplanned segregation based on the colour of your text message was willingly embraced and glorified by American young generation who doesn't have permission to openly discriminate on the basis of ethnicity.
apple users are so annoying if something is android exclusive they Btch untill they get it but android users just eat Sheeeeiiit when somethings apple only.
@@AnnaPrzebudzona
You say culture and history, but the way you talk about it sounds as if you think it's genetic.
I seem to recall my Jewish grandmother mentioning something about segregation in Germany.🤔
It's completely understandable. If someone uses android, it means they are an idiot.
I'm pretty sure the 25% in the US that use WhatsApp are immigrants or people that have family and friends outside of the US 😂
Sounds about right that only 25% of us are intelligent people
Probably or have work connections outside the US. I mean I don’t use whatsaap as a choice in my country it’s a must just like iMessage seems to be in the US but for different reason but at least I can enjoy any brand of phone without feeling ostracized.
I started using WhatsApp because of travel. Not sure about the other 25%
ofc, whatsapp is common en Mexico, even strangers present billboards with whatsapp contact
I'm from Chicago and live in Ecuador now and never heard of Whatsapp until my first visit here everyone here use it on a regular.
So weird that android as a reputation of being a "poor person" OS despite flagship Samsungs etc. being just as expensive as iPhones. My friends are all stuck in the apple ecosystem meanwhile I'm out here with my free Spotify premium, free UA-cam premium, emulating games, installing apps outside the store, having expandable storage, and a better camera, despite my phone costing about half of what they paid for theirs. I really do not get the appeal of paying more for a less functional product and then having a superiority complex about it. It's just tribalism, pure and simple.
And it's the same with my Google Pixel. I have a 4 year old Pixel 4A5G and my camera makes Apple users cry. Even today I have their future features.
Id get it if apple was american made product and people wanted to support local brands but everyone knows its made in a sweatshop in china.
@@Jebu911 _"Id get it if apple was american made product"_ Thugs are thugs. It's even worse when they're from your own country. If there is such a thing as an evil ocmpany, it is Apple.
Like every product ? @@Jebu911
Theres a reason the stereotype iPhones are for stupid people exists too
WhatsApp is also the number 1 messaging app in all of Latin America, it’s pretty much the default app, even businesses use it.
It is the number one messaging app in the world.
@@sgtm7 And Android is the overwhelmingly dominant smartphone OS in the world. The US is a bizarre place.
Anche in Italia. Praticamente lo usano tutte le aziende.
I live in Europe and iphone uses here simply accept that they have to have Whatsapp and maybe 1-2 other messaging apps on their phone, because they know most people don't have iphones, and Android users don't like regular SMS. Iphone users here can't get away with being discriminatory against Android users, because they'd have to lose touch with like 70% of their friends and family.
I live in europe and all my friends have to accept they have to install telegram because i refuse to have a Facebook product know about my daily messaging.
Plus telegram has always been ages ahead of whatsapp in features, anything whatsapp has "new" was copied from telegram.
I'm baffled by people's resistence to switch away from whatsapp, It's not any better than americans with iphones really.
@sephirothbahamut245 Most people in Europe (young folks, at least) have both, so I don't know what the fuck are you complaining about
I have an iPhone, and I turned off iMessage and don't use WhatsApp. I use email and SMS. Both work fine.
It isn’t even about “having to accept” anymore. Nowadays most young adults, at least here in the Netherlands, have an iPhone but we’ve become so used to whatsapp that it’s become a no-brainer. I never text or iMessage someone, despite practically everyone I know owning an iPhone, it just feels more natural to use WhatsApp.
I think you’re wrong to say that there are more Android users in Europe. It’s the opposite, there are more iPhone users, yes, everyone uses WhatsApp.
I live in USA and I’ve been using WhatsApp for 12 years because all my phones have been Android, and over all, it’s a good a messaging app. I recently switched to an iPhone, but will continue to use WhatsApp.
Whatsapp was garbage because it only allowed install on a single device. Thus if my phone was charging and I was using my PC or tablet I was out of touch. I believe you can now log into Whatsapp on multiple devices but the damage is done and I hate the app. On my one device that has Whatsapp it keeps logging me out or flagging my account as spam. Overall a garbage experience.
@@mementomori29231 babe there is a desktop or imac app u can use on any device💀
@@mementomori29231WhatsApp desktop version works perfectly with the phone (android). I have no idea about Apple but Apple is famous for not being friendly with apps from competitors
@@mementomori29231works like a charm for me i have it open on my pc and phone
@@mementomori29231 seems like a you problem because ive been using whatsapp only for more than a decade and never had issues with logging in with different devices
I’m in the US, nobody over 30 generally gives a crap about chat bubble colors.
You should care about the outdated features (even security features) of SMS though. If I had friends with an Apple phone I would make them install a messaging app.
Exactly. The problem lies with age below 30
That's fine for Apple. People are unlikely to switch ecosystems anyway once they have owned a smartphone for a while. But for kids it's still an open choice and if not wanting to get bullied leads them to choose Apple, they will propably stick with Apple for most of their lives. It's in the best interest of Apple that this kind of bullying exists because that creates more live-long users for them.
If young Americans have fallen that low, the blame for that is squarely on their parents.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 um k, but as a woman of a certain age, over 30, i give no effs about the security features of a text i send that says, "i'm here""i'll call you back" "wya" lol. like NO effs.
As an European I see it this way :
1) Americans don't travel so much abroad, so they do not need to spend a lot on international phonecalls.
2) Market behaviour: They tend to use the default app for anything they do. Like : the default browser, the default mapping service, and so on.
3) Unlimited text messages even for the cheapest plans. They basically send short messages.
4) iPhone marketshare. In the USA, iPhone is over 60% meanwhile in Europe is 25%. That means that features like iMessage and Facetime, sending large files, reactions, read receipts are allready built in to the phone. And since 6 of 10 smartphones in USA are iPhones, it is easy to reach someone.
In other words if an American goes to Europe, and meets someone over there and wants to resch him/her remember that only 3 out of 10 phones are iPhones. So they will be forced to switch : no free texting, no Facetime, no imessage, no read receipts, no way to send files by the default apps on the iPhone.
It can't be too difficult for that person to install Whatsapp, can it?
@@qazatqazah you wouldn't believe the things USamericans do without out of "inconvenience". iPhone users all over the world use WhatsApp
@@qazatqazah I got an Android phone, but it's a beefy one, with 128 GB of storage. I so far installed around 10 other chat apps from the Play Store - both because I use them, and because I find their concepts interesting. If anyone wants to reach me out without that "sick-inducing" green bubble, they have lots of options.
A phone's primary function is communication!
@@qazatqazahjust remember that they are American
Almost everything is difficult for them
Who needs Facetime, imessage, read receipts, or sending files?
It's awful that young people "bully " each other over what kind of phone you have, but it's even more sad that people feel ostracized over what phone you have. There are FAR LARGER issues to be concerned about
But the worst part is that THE DUMB PEOPLE ARE WINNING. Like, if they at least bullied the people with overpriced crap phones, that would still be unacceptable behaviour, but might at least lead some of them to making more economically responsible decisions. But instead the people with the overpriced crap-phones are bullying the people with the market leader phones because... idk, they're dumb...? And in that way influence some people to make *economically dumber* decisions 🙄
it's always existed, based on clothes and whatnot. Only the object changes, but people have always been awful bullies. People just really suck.
I didn't know any of this. Thank you, Matthias. I'm American and ive always had an Android phone. I didn't want to be an Apple conformist. I've never had anyone mention my green bubbles. Maybe that's because I'm over 60.
Down here in Brazil, that blue bubble-green bubble stuff was never a thing. Even if you have an iPhone, you're just expected to have WhatsApp on your phone if you want to talk to anyone. People would look at you really strange if you only used iMessage, even if those people also have iPhones. It's just a more confusing "app".
Love your videos and coming from someone who lives in the US it's crazy how so many people judge green bubbles and can't just use other messaging apps like other countries can
You must be an Android user
@@GenAfterNextTactics I like both operating systems
@@GenAfterNextTactics And what does that have to do with their point?
The key thing that you’re overlooking is that other doubted joined out of necessity. If you’re paying for messaging and Americans damn near get it free, why would we be incentivized to use a third party messenger?
Why would an (American) iPhone use a third party app when they get the best experience with iMessage?
You can’t understand it because you were forced to use third party apps. Because there is no other reason to use third party apps, many Americans don’t have a reason to seek them out.
Now Apple is allowing rcs, there’s less reason to use other apps.
@@GenAfterNextTactics LOL, is that supposed to be an insult? 😂 It seems like a comment meant to be an extreme illustration of that odd phenomenon discussed in the video.
I find it hilarious that Apple users could ever consider themselves to be in any position to bully anyone when they are the perennial butt of the joke.
I think people use WhatsApp for it’s ease of use and the connectivity, not so much about privacy or data. It’s a chatting app anyway, not for serious stuffs. Just ONE app for everything and having the same people and world-wide connections, is unbeatable. It’s easy when you travel, everyone and every country is on WhatsApp. I had an Amazon delivery guy contacted me on WhatsApp in Saudi Arabia and it’s seamless. No change of phone number or sim, etc. it can be run on PC too.
Having group chats keep information and updates easy or group video chats seamless and organised in one place. And having ‘business WhatsApp’ over personal keep everything compartmentalised but not separated.
I use iPhone, but haven’t use the SMS for more than 15 years. No one does here.
If people cared about their privacy, they would be using the Signal app, which WhatsApp is just a closed source Facebook spyware fork of
As an America who travels to Europe at least once a year for work and talk with people in Europe and South America almost daily. Along with my wife who talks with her Swiss family via Whatsapp.
We use Whatsapp all the time. However, my friends in the USA don't like it for some reason. Its annoying.... they only iMessage and its dumb.
i once try WhatApps, then i have to convice every1 i know to get on it too. then every1 new person i meet need to be on it too and on and on. with imessenge adn sms, it defualt and usage ur phone number. no new acct or any of those BS. ez, simple and convienient. that why most of us just stay with sms and imessenge
thanks for the video, mate! it's very entertaining to watch this unecxpectable theme about the US as a guy, who lives in Ukraine , where the procent of iphone users is even much lesser than in Germany, we here mostly use not whatsapp, but telegram and viber. And yep, I agree with the fact of whatsapp popularity in Europe, cause almost all my friends from western and central europe send messages to me with whatsapp.
Yeah, Telegram as the main messenger/social media is very much a post-Soviet phenomenon. In Central and Western Europe, it's mostly used by people who don't want to be cancelled for various reasons (covid skeptics, far Right people etc.)
I never heard about this. What an evil company is Apple.
I think it says less about the morals of Apple and more about the shallowness of human nature.
You got it wrong, it is not Apple, it is USA that is an evil country.
I‘m not trying to defend Apple or any company, they‘re all evil, but I‘m failing to see how Apple is at fault for people not using Whatsapp, it‘s not like Apple has banned it from the App Store.
Apple is evil but not for this, this one is on the users.
@@DadgeCity No it's definitely about Corporate Greed and Share Prices of the Board Execs
What is even funnier, my Samsung S23 Ultra has a lot more features than my friends' iPhones.
I'm American and have been using What's App for almost as long as it has been available.
The blue vs green bubble debate is a feature not a bug. It allows people to self filter, if you are going to stop dating me when you find out I have an android phone, I probably wouldn't want to date you anyways, and now you have saved me the time and hassle of filtering you out myself.
Something that a lot of people seem to forget was the impact that Blackberry messenger had even before imesage and WhatsApp in the Americas. What this other apps basically copied the main functions of BBM onto more modern and better devices
America is the birthplace of so much technology and innovation and at the same time, so backwards at adopting those same advances. It's embarrassing.
the USA*
@@italorossid *deal with it
@@lsdzheeusi that's what I'm doing, thank you
it´s corporate greed.
USA is now the land of monopolies/duopolies
This phenomenon kinda reminds me of the Blackberry Messenger situation back in the days lol. And yes, I'm a diehard nokia fan back then.
But everyone can install Whatsapp, Viber and Telegram. It should not be a problem. All three are useful.
And yet Signal is better and more secure than all of them
telegram is popular in the states but mainly for drug dealing and for some reason sharing homework among high school students. whenever i see anyone mention it from the us its for one of those two things
@@flightlesschicken7769 Never heard of it. Whatsapp is popular worldwide and the safest massaging app i can think of. And it uses almost no data.
I never knew this bubble colour was thing on Iphone. For an Android user it's default that you can set a different bubble colour for each contact.
Well, you know what they say about Apple: pay more. Get less. Was never truer than when it comes to customisation and settings, lol
SMS is being actively replaced by RMS in the United States, which answers all the problems of SMS. It is being done so seamlessly that most people who use RMS aren't even aware of the changes. Messages are longer, end to end encryption is automatic, full size video and photography is sent between. And there is no ostrization of non RMS users. They merely receive an SMS version. Apple is always about gratuitous snobbery. Android is about interactivity without playing the elite. RMS is the answer.
Apple is a despicable company and I will never own an Apple product of any kind. Bullying with overpriced tech is absolutely beyond the pale. We should all hate Apple for this.
Do you mean RCS?
Yeah, that's the ticket! Too many three letter acronyms starting with R. And RCS is also reaction control system on spacecraft!
Thanks for the correction.
How would I know if my Android text-messaging app is sending RCS instead of SMS? It doesn't say.
@@sluggo206 You have to enable it, but from what I remember the sms app actively asks you about it first time its available. Your reciepient needs to have RCS enabled as well and then all future sms will be end-to-end encrypted. some 60-70% of my android sms contacts have enabled RCS. It's becoming standardised, thankgod. I don't like having all them messaging apps, hate it in fact. RCS even made Signal redundant, RCS is awesome.
@@sluggo206If your phone can use RCS, and it's talking to another phone that uses RCS, it tells you by displaying RCS on the bottom. If it's communicating with an SMS phone it says SMS on the bottom. But there is no red bubble/blue bubble crap to embarrass or humiliate anyone. If you have an SMS phone you just get the message as normal.
If you are trying to send an attachment too large for SMS, the RCS phone gets the message that can't happen and you have to find another way to send the attachment.
Meta also developed Facebook messenger and I have to tell you it is used a lot by Americans especially if they are communicating with people overseas.
Facebook Messenger will never live on any device I own. If the device comes with it, FB Messenger gets deleted.
In Canada, everyone I know uses SMS. Whatsapp requires internet, I believe, while SMS works without using internet data (or if it does, we don't get charged anything).
In Europe most of the phones use prepaid plans where you have an insane amount of data (like 100 gb for 30 euro per month) and a fair amount of call minutes, but almost zero sms included. For example I pay 0.29 euros extra for each sms I send, on top of my monthly plan. So it is far less expensive to just use data to send messages via WhatsApp or any other messaging app. Keep in mind that here there are not many places without data connection, and also thanks to free roaming you can basically use part of your monthly data in any other EU country. Plus, you cannot send photos, videos or audio messages with sms... Basically I now receive a few sms a month, all from my bank or other services. I of course don't need to reply to those.
@@sabrinasambo7570 Wow 30€, that's a lot... here in Italy you can have 40 gb per 5 €, or 120 gb for 8€, with unlimited minutes and unlimited SMS (not that someone uses those, tbc)...
Technically this isn't true. It used to be true but it isn't anymore. Mobile operators just send sms using 3g/4g protocols as it's cheaper doing that than having a separate infrastructure to support. Because sms is ridiculous low bandwidth as it only uses a maximum of 120 characters per text using 7 bits the operators gave it away with unlimited texts because it hardly consumes anything but sadly it's also not that popular. The point is that under the hood it is sent using a data connection, your just using less bandwidth for it
@@sabrinasambo7570 no free sms in your country? Im in sweden and sms has been free many years.
@@scottcampbell2707 we (Americans at least) don’t call it SMS in casual conversation. Just “text/ texting” it’s weird hearing someone say SMS so much in a video.
The only thing as a Canadian Android user and WhatsApp user that I somewhat envy about iMessage is the ability to make smart emojis and stickers. But it's such a minor thing to be worried about, never mind what friggin' colour your message bubble is.
I'm rather glad I went thru school long before all this nonsense. Imagine being bullied over the brand of phone you have. 🙄
Yeah I'm socially blind, pretty much, I knew something like this existed but I didn't really give a flip since I hate Apple. It doesn't let me fiddle with my settings like an Android, I grew up learning tech on a Windows 95 and I learned fuck around with my settings.
Apple: "Does less, costs more"
For the record: I'm European, I don't use WhatsApp. Everybody around me is using mainly Facebook messenger. Or Viber. But not WhatsApp.
IPhone users counts as hipsters in my country, who are willing to pay several months of income to a phone.
Croatia?
@@sakkikoyumikishi Very close. :)
@@NapiRockAndRoll found a Balkanoid
Man you can buy a used iphone. LOL
@@jvmcosta85 I'm sure you cannot understand it, but not everybody wants to bus an iPhone. Even if a used one are much cheaper. The closed architecture repels me. You cannot upload a simple mp3 on it. Don't forget that you need a 10x more expensive accessories for it. A simple USB cable costs a fortune. No thanks.
BTW, if I'm calling a country other than the US, Canada, or Mexico (or not inside one of these countries), I am charged 25¢/min for a voice call. However, WhatsApp and Face Time are included in my plan for no additional charge.
Apple zealot: *incapable of sending proper messages, pictures, and videos to their friends*
Also Apple zealot: "This must be your fault somehow."
😂 too true
WhatsApp was actually developed in Europe by two techies who then sold it to Facebook for billions.
I would've sold it too, for billions of dollars 😂
Yes, indeed. Very confused as to how he could have made this mistake. Apparently this UA-cam has not decided to do proper research before making this video
Eh no, It was created by a Ukrainian immigrant in the US (Jan Koum) and an American (Brian Acton). They met at Yahoo in the US. Whatsapp was incorporated in California in 2009.
@@huzcer Nonsense
@@daveballinno it's literally just very basic easily verifiable information about Whatsapp 😂
Very high quality content for such an unpopular channel. Glad to see you are starting to get pushed in the algorithm!
Only immigrants use whatsapp in the US mainly because they can stay in touch with fam back home. You hit a good point there SMS is free no reason to use a different messaging platform. I myself tried whatsapp in the past till I discovered Telegram 8 years ago.
Some prepaid cell phone plans in the USA come with unlimited texting too.
Yes all of them do at this point.
Yes, it used to be that voice calls were the cash cow. Now data and hyping 5G are the cash cow, so unlimited voice and SMS are practically given away as a side benefit>
I'm an American and back in the day lots of people I know used ICQ.
Also I have no problems sending high quality pictures over sms, and I can see the 3 bouncing dots when other android users are typing, so I question how up to date your information is.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I had no Idea. I thought Whatsapp was a worldwide favourite. The fact that is US created, im Shocked.
You deserve more subs also, your videos are quality.
Why co-founder of WhatsApp Brian Acton left and set up his own messaging service Signal is worth investigating.
What he states about WhatsApp now, their commercialisation and their so-called end-to-end encryption is very interesting.
Much of my friends and family moved to signal when WhatsApp moved all data processing to USA rather than Europe.
It's too cumbersome, adoption rate isn't high enough. Used to use Signal when it allowed non-signal users to recieve sms. Much like iMessage works. Things changed for Signal, they no longer allow that. Bounced me back to regular SMS with end-to-end encryption through RCS. Adoption rate much higher. Properitary messaging apps, hate them.
This makes me realize even more i said when I got my first smart phone that i don't want to be in the Apple cult. Creepy.
Why do people consider a closed source program safe because it is encrypted? It is only safe so long as apple doesn't decide to turn your encryption off, or read or scan it like they already do.
MEXICO is another country where WhatsUp is use mainly.
I am an Android/ Samsung phones user. Have never wanted an apple phone. My daughters have Apple phones. My youngest wants to change to an Android because my camera seems to be better than her new Apple phone. I want my daughters to be able to video visit. Everyone else in our immediate family has one or another form of Android.
WhatsApp is used in pretty much the entire world. There are exceptions, like in Japan I think they use mainly Line, and in the US where they use the Apple messaging app, but generally speaking WhatsApp is what is used in almost the entire world.
Keep the good work up my friend
10:40 I'm sick of 90% of phones around me in public being iphones and this "Rich and Poor" culture being a thing over here, this is one more reason for me to move to Europe where the culture isn't so toxic around what phone you have. Also I love the EU bc they are actually doing something about the tyrannical reign of big tech!
The EU Competition Authority is usually very misguided about this 'tyrannical reign '. Making Apple use USB-C is fine, and making it open up the iOS / iPadOS systems for sideloading and competing app stores is also a good thing. But the Commission has always been going after Google and Meta the wrong way.
For me, the fact that bubble colour is an issue, automatically dis qualifies that person as partner material. They are simply too shallow for long term relationships.
first time watching one of your videos, this one was really good and entertaining, nice video editing too, keep on going! your are doing good
if you're being judge by green text, just say
"you may laugh because I'm different, but I laugh because you are all the same"
Lol.shut up android zombie
I live in the UK, and I use an iPhone, but I turned off iMessage (so no blue bubbles) because it's a pain when you're roaming in a country where data is expensive, so you turn data off. I don't really trust Meta, so I don't use Whatsapp (or any other messaging service for that matter). I still use SMS messages, or if I want to include photos, then I use email. SMS and email work and are not platform dependent, so why not use those?
Basically: No real need for it.
Oh yeah, discrimination is fun for American 😂
@@ottobass9193 stay mad
While the interaction with door greeter and cashier are pretty normal interactions for us, even if most other retail stores do not have a greeter. Even for Americans that sort of employee meeting and chant are considered annoying and super fake, hopefully they quit trying to push that on staff.
SMS also works flawlessly if you are connected to a tower regardless of which generation tower you are connected to. Most apps stop working on 3g networks, and are even worse on 2g or 1g networks. SMS also uses almost no battery life when compared to messaging apps. You left a lot more out of this video. Also sms is universal world wide, not everyone has what's app, everyone has sms, every single person on earth who has a phone plan has sms.
I remember paying 30 cents per sms in Switzerland. Even though I had a postpaid subscription. Now RCS is used by scammers to bypass sms filters
Ive avoided apple products since they DRM away the music i bought in itunes in 2004. Maybe they changed their policies since then. But when they also messed with the pictures people took of me then sent to my android device. Only reaffirmed my decision.
I'm going to be that guy. I'm an American and one of the 68.1 - 85.8 million. Even if I hate meta as a company, I can recognize a superior product and take advantage of what it has to offer. Besides, I was dragged kicking and screaming into using it by another American friend who uses it exclusively for chat. But yes, I DID learn something!
What is this "it" that you were commenting about?
Wait, but if in 2011 there were 2 trillion messages sent, and in 2022 it's the same it actually means there's a decline in SMS... Because there are now more people using phones and sending texts happens more?
The only use I have for Whatsapp is for staying in contact with my daughter. She moved to Portugal this year and immediately had me install it on my phone so that she could call and text with me free. It is amazingly good but no one else I know uses it. I love having text and voice without charges for overseas but I do have to be very careful with time zones. But then I am 71 so not much peer pressure like kids today.
Apple has become IBM. Imagine being such an empty humanbeing that you judge people on the phone they have....the world judges you American Apple conformists
Im Android and im proud, dont see the point of spending crazy amount of money for a phone.
Android and proud is the saddest thing I’ve ever read 😂
@@sparkylfc91 iPhone and proud is equally sad and cringey
@@sparkylfc91well, at least they're proud of being weirdly cliquey over using a superior product for less money.
Most Americans meanwhile are proud of being weirdly cliquey over using literal trash for like twice as much money as an actual good product would cost. I know which one of the two I find more cringe 😂
The americans in the states that use what's app are probably the ones that travel internationally or have family that's oversees many americans who dnt travel internationally or dnt have family outside the united states dnt really have a need to use it. I also primarily use andriod many andriod phones in america have a app called messages already preinstalled on their phone thats what many of us use by default because its already preinstalled on our phones
I have family in the US. They all have i-phones and use WhatsApp. It was from them that I first heard that most Americans don't. They couldn't explain why however.
🙋🏻♂️ yup! It’s mad true.
"messages" on android isn't really an app, it's just the phone sending an SMS. Phones have been able to send SMS-messages since way before smartphones, like he said in the video SMS messages have existed since the 1980s.
This is true. I’m American and all the people I message use the messaging app thats already installed on our phones. I’ve never used WhatsApp, even when I travel outside the US.
What??? What is “dnt”???
Honestly, WhatsApp has all the kinds of dopamine hits I need to avoid. Turned off its notifications and stick to SMS only.
How do you get dopamine hits from whatsapp?????
😂😂,,,i understand...man the rest of the world moved on along time ago...if you left usa youll need to get it because no one uses sms anymore..its very rare....
The beauty of SMS is that it doesn’t require a data connection. App based messaging and iMessage fail at that. I turn off iMessage for that reason.
@@TransportGeekery SMS and even voice calls especially in countries outside the USA was very costly. The amount of data required for sending text messages via data is extremely minimal and if connected to WiFi doesn’t require a data plan either. So when apps like What’s App first appeared people in those countries jumped on it as they could get unlimited text messaging and voice calls for free with WIFI with either no data plan or the cheapest monthly phone plan. Here in the USA even the cheapest phone plans included unlimited class and texts so they didn’t take off. When What’s App launched it was really only useful to those who travelled to places their phone plans didn’t cover and or had friends or relatives that lived outside the USA which is a relatively small part of the population
RSC is hardly a real solution.
It still requires telcos to support it. There are a million small or nor so small telco who will never bother.
Encryption is not standardized.
And as far as I can see it's as open to spam as the telephone system
The real question is why anyone uses WhatsApp. It’s terrible. It arguably violates the GDPR privacy laws. It won’t function well unless you give it access to all the contact information on your device, and you have no right to do that without asking every person in your address book first.
WhatsApp isn't good, I don't like how due to it's network effects it's essentially become a social requirement to exist in Europe. However many of its alternatives like Telegram have their own issues (although I personally prefer Telegram). But having a service which most people can use for free to communicate is not a bad thing. It's definitely better than say Instagram Directs or as is the case in the US, iMessage.
Also from a user experience perspective. It's so annoying, it lacks so many features, and also I constantly lose images, videos and messages, because it doesn't have a cloud, and I either forget to make a backup or stuff magically disappears for some reason. And if I don't have it installed, messages that I receive, just disappear into the void, they don't go anywhere. It's so annoying that people are so resistant to change for the better, it's also really sad. Just evolve, find new and better solutions.. but everyone just prefers to stagnate apparently
Because it's what everyone uses, there is no point in installing a chatting app that no one else has. I mean, I'd prefer if we used another app not owned by Meta, but if I have to communicate with a costumer, contact a business, or even everyday things like chatting with a friend or family member, or being up to date in a workplace / class group chat, my only option is to use WhatsApp.
Don’t forget long distance charges as well.
SMS was introduced as a text message service with the introduction of the first GSM mobile network. That was in 1994, not in 1984. Before 1994 we only had analog mobile networks that didn’t support text messaging services.
The only reason I have Whatsapp is because of my European friends. I use Discord for most of my text communications and a fair bit of vocal, too
4:05 actually, using WhatsApp is the actual problem (data collection in violation of the EU GDPR). And the same for all those applications that force the usage of a phone number as an identifier, and then force the user to give access to the contacts list so that the app can be used or work properly.
The problem is: the list is from the consenting user, but the contacts on it aren't, and so it's for each contact to give or refuse consent.
Messaging is the one field where I am not frugal on my phone. Why? Because there's always a risk of one service dying. Remember the times when WhatsApp was down? I switched to Telegram or SMS messaging. Does my carrier have no signal in a certain area? Simple, I go to the nearest Wi-Fi hotspot and message people on Messenger or WhatsApp etc.
So besides the usual apps that most people use or that I have used all the time, I also have an XMPP client (Conversations), a Matrix client (both XMPP and Matrix are decentralized platforms, just like email) and Briar - which is an app that allows you to communicate via direct Wi-Fi or even Bluetooth.
In Norway WhatsApp is not that popular either. Most people use Facebook Messenger, Snapchat or SMS. Mostly foreigners in Norway use Whatsapp.
Yup, If you reliably need to contact someone SMS is used all of the time because you know for a fact the recipient can accept it. Friends may have a snapchat group, particular subsets of people use it. FB messanger is people whos invested all their social and contacts in the FB universe but young people have been turned off FB for a couple of years now, if not a decade. SMS RCS is the future, let us laugh about the time when everyone had a dozen different messaging apps on their devices, it was dumb.
Idk about the rest of the world, but the group chat app that’s gained the most momentum in the US is Discord. And for years now my android shows anyone message for me as whatever color I want. And the Apple change doesn’t bother because if an Apple user gets snobby with me I just laugh at them
Even Discord looks like the wasteland that used to be Yahoo before Yahoo died on the vine and shut down their social media. Every channel I've subscribed to on Discord has no activity.
@RockinRobbins13 you just joining the wrong ones I guess. I definitely don't get the old Yahoo death vibes
@@shawnspeigner2835 Well that's good. Discord seems to potentially be a great platform.
@@RockinRobbins13 I specifically choose not to subscribe to too many servers because they are mostly active as hell, and I can't keep up with the flow.
Discord does voice chat better than Skype of Zoom too.
das klingt sau interessant :D
I'm not from USA, I'm from Europe and some companies are making it mandatory to not use WhatsApp (for professional business), even some lawyer firms, instead they are using Signal.
I got used to Signal, and my friends also use it, so we are fine, even if they didn't use, we could use regular SMS to talk to eachother.
Use some app with privacy in mind. Whatsapp is not that kind of app.
😂😂
As an American android user, who knows more android users than iPhone users, I feel like this video misses the point. Yes iPhone users are culty with their messenger service, no that's not why Americans don't use WhatsApp. It's viewed as a poor foreigner app. I dislike apple users as much as the next person but they're not to blame here. Also the lack of mention of FB messenger is weird. It's normally the alternative.
I dont use whatsapp. I have only ever used Viber and now i just use FB messenger.
"But what if I were to tell you that here, in the United States of America, [...] the situation is a bit different?"
I would give a fake little gasp, clasp a hand over my mouth and pretend to be very shocked by the fact that the country who somehow continues to mistake its own third-world status as being "the best" would *also* mistake overpriced crap for good technology and thus miss out on technology that actually works 🤷🏻
(Warning, this comment may contain hints of irony)
This whole story sounds like something straight out of Idiocracy
WhatsApp sucks tho. If you don’t have iMessage that’s okay but we’re using SMS and nothing else (especially now we’re getting RCS on iPhone, there’s literally no reason to use WhatsApp)
And I’m European btw
I find it more interesting that WhatsApp has become the preferred method of messaging outside the US. It’s had loads of privacy issues in the past and is owned by Meta which hasn’t had a great track record. I don’t really see any unique features WhatsApp has over other messaging platforms. So it surprises me that it’s still so popular and other messaging apps haven’t managed to compete with it.
It's shit, but once something like that gets so big it's really hard to displace, because it relies on everyone else also making the switch. I use Telegram with those who have it, but leaving whatsapp entirely is not feasible for most people.
The thing is that if you want to be able to send text messages to others, photos, videos, and be in group chats, you need to have WhatsApp. And people won't switch over to another app just because it has some privacy issues, if it were that simple we would all be using Linux by now since Windows is bloated with spyware, yet it's still the dominant OS. Once something becomes the standard, it has to be really bad for enough people to even begin to consider an alternative. Even as a work tool you still need it if you have a business for example or are a freelance worker because most customers will try to contact you through WhatsApp, and most likely won't bother writing to you if they have to send an Email or an SMS, or make a call.
it's on my phone,, but I use only in absolute necessity,, as it's a meta app and I don't want zuckerberg to know anything about me that I can avoid letting him know.
We use the "Signal" app now in the US/Canada.
I saw statistics, that's not true
@ottobass9193 Maybe the sheeple don't use it, but we do
So interesting! I knew about the US not using WhatsApp or other messengers, but I didn't know why, and certainly didn't know about this ridiculous "war". Thank you for this fun and educational video!
I live in Turkey and iMessage is basically non-existent here. Even people who brag about having an iPhone all day don't know it. I believe that's because the default messaging app is known to be strictly for SMSes and sending media files via MMS was super expensive back in the day, so people hesitated even when there was a small group who had iPhones back in early 2010s, and Samsung got in the market faster than Apple did in 2012 with the Galaxy S3 series.
The problem with WhatsApp here in the U.S. is all the scamming. Too many various groups crowd it. It's annoying.
This is less frequent with SMS.
Good Lord. People apologizing for having an Android over stupid messaging service 🙄
Snowflake city.
I'm not clear on something. Do either Iphone users or Android phone users need to do anything to get this new standard, or will it happen auotomatically?
After this one, could you make a video why Jabber/XMPP is so popular in Germany but nowhere else?
I don't understand why you wouldn't use SMS? Like, okay, at one point you might have had to pay per SMS, but I don't remember when that was, so probably many people my age and down don't either.
I have WhatsApp because I can text internationally for free with it, but that is literally its only use.
Because we still have prepaid plans
Apple deserves a class action lawsuit from parents of kids who feel they were ostracized or bullied for what phone they have.
I think it’s the people’s fault to react that extremely. As a person one can choose to enjoy apple only features and to respect if others don’t. It’s like the lady suing McDonald’s for the coffee being hot instead of just being more careful. People forget they have their own choice and responsibility.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dumb
At best, Apple would have to release iMessage for Android.
I live in Europe but tbh I only use WhatsApp for messaging my grandma and the family group chat. To talk with friends I always use Snapchat
60 usd for the cheapest mobile plan is nuts. And they give unlimited 3g while the 3g towers in my country got taken down a couple of months ago. I pay around 28€ for 3 phones, unlimited everything except internet, only one phone has 50gb
Now 100M users in USA and it will only keep growing
Proud sender of EMERALD-coloured messages here... :D
It took you a long time to say what WhatsApp's features are compared to SMS, and my American thought was, "Who needs those?" Not enough to sign up for a Meta service when SMS works fine. Except encryption, but most of my small number of messages are non-sensitive. As for Apple users behaving cult-like, that goes back decades long before smartphones. Just because those conceited T-shirts exist doesn't mean a lot of people are buying them.
I don't use WhatsApp because it's owned by Facebook. That's my reason, not device based as I own an Android. I do know my mom uses it to communicate with family living in the Philippines. I stand by my green bubble, if you don't like it we aren't friends simple as that. As a power user I need the control Android gives.
I was being left out of the Facetime and Iphone videos being a Android user. I kind of agree with your FB argument, but Meta does not tie WhatsApp to the FB and Instagram platforms. There are Android hacks for getting Facetime. I never had one work more than 20-30 seconds before failing. The problem with that is, for me to see if it's improved I have to beg a Iphone user to play along to try. Getting a Iphone video clip via messaging results in something the size of stick of gum and resolution that looks like 120P.
Whatsapp just works. Apple keeps the good stuff like messaging and Facetime in their ecosystem to keep users from escaping. Anyone focusing on colored bubbles has issues.
come on...2 billion people use it
My work colleague who comes from the USA told me that his potential new girlfriend broke up with him when she found out he wasn't using an iPhone....
I’m American and travel abroad a great deal. We tried using WhatsApp on both of our phones and it took them over. Disrupted contacts, changed info like emails and area codes, just a lot of problems. We don’t care for apps that take over your device in those ways. Maybe it’s changed and doesn’t do that now, but that’s why we don’t use it.