I don’t particularly care about losing the scramble city combiners, but I do much prefer when combiner limbs are actually made up of the limb bots as opposed to them decorating a skeleton
@ventris425productions5 I haven't seen them switch an arm bot to a leg or vice-versa yet. (Do show me where to find that if that has happened though.)
It's basically how he has always been. Both in the cartoon and in toy form. A robot dude slapped under a plane. While the deluxe figures have a jet stuck on their back. It also makes them as a group stand out. More as the "goodguys" compared to the involved look that the decepticon jet formers have. Also if I am correct wings on decepticons stand up. Autobots, stand down.
unfixable unless you make him lanky and oddly proportioned like RotF Jetfire. Then you have to deal with a ton of panels and that would just be a headache
What's the point of getting the whole team if one of them is 95% of the combiner? I don't care about accuracy to the cartoon, I care about fun toys with cool engineering.
to me it's the legs, not having the robots integrate in the leg proper and just hanging there like a bulge kills the mood for me. they could have redone combiner wars style but with modern engineering and articulation and it would've been better (also don't mind superion looking a bit slender since it's supposed to be made of planes and not a hulk)
My main problem with the skeleton method going forward is that it innately misunderstands why people liked the Stunticons in Legacy: That was as close to show accurate as they could get when it comes to how they transformed, and it was novel for them to work like that as a result. It played into the cheesiness of how he was animated and felt like a genuine celebration of what the franchise is by doing new and daring things to make him work like that in a way no other company, even third parties, has really tried by having it so the arms physically separate the combiner member through pure mechanical action. In addition, they changed up how he looked a bit to make him look more like a musclebound barbarian rather than "a guy made of boxes" without making him unrecognizable. Not only is Superion not usually shown like that in the show, but he has none of the stylistic embellishments that they gave Menasor to make him more menacing. He looks so accurate to his model that it actively makes him look less appealing. He looks like he was made based exclusively on badly done animation cels rather than being an interpretation of what those cels were trying to convey. AotP Superion looks like how he did, and then tries to eke out an interesting robot around that concept. Legacy Menasor looks like how the people growing up with the show would've seen him, and built the robots up from there. With this in mind, the only Aerialbots i've seen really make Superion look cool in the same way Legacy made Menasor look cool is Combiner Wars. It's a set of sleek jets (and a helicoptor) that combine into a robot whose proportions are interesting but refined if you switch up the feet a bit. Plus, it even works better thematically. The Aerialbots have a more "distributed" combination that allows them to become a very stable, athletic looking humanoid. Motormaster meanwhile PRETENDS he's the only one that matters and thus makes up the bulk of Menasor, and then the rest of the Stunticons are bolted on and have little in the way to contribute other than additional noise in Menasor's head.
While I give it a pass for Menasor and reluctantly Superion? I hope they don't use the same method again for Bruticus and Defensor. The skeleton model works because at the end of the day Menasor is just a guy with cars strapped to him.
I wouldn't count on it. With bruticus also coming this toyline, I 100% believe they'll use the skeleton. Especially since devastator is differently made BECAUSE it's devastator, who has 6 bots instead of the usual 5 that others have. Although, bruticus could do it better since the skeleton could turn into a trailer bed
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 but chances are they'll still use the skeleton, just modify it a little differently. I don't see them making a cost effective bruticus that looks good, without the individual robots or vehicles looking absolutely terrible.
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 either way, I hope they use the skeleton for bruticus. It works and it looks good, so if they do I'm buying it. I don't want another combiner wars with its bad proportions and designs.
Honestly my biggest problems with superion (and the system in general) are first that you get NO individual display option, you are forced to have the legbots be hidden, or you lose out on articulation and they (for some reason) only make half of the team members split in half for arm mode, eventhough that could've been given to every member to facilitate the scramble city gimmick. The 2nd thing that this set and system misses out on are varying body types for combiners, superion being this wide just looks wrong, i never get why hasbro makes jetformers so boxy when it clashes with their design (like the ER seeker mold)
In-hand images revealed that the limbs for both the Menasor and Superion skeletons are swappable with each other to somewhat emulate the scramble city gimmick. While I appreciate the attempt, this feels more like a bandage solution.
Hasbro wanted the animation accurate figure. There is a trade off with engineering design. The frame combiner works better with trucks like Menasor and even Defensor. It does not look that good in vehicle mode for jets.
I was excited for this one. But, now I'm just kinda indifferent. I probably won't get him. Not that I think CW is necessarily better, I'm just not interested. Which is weird because I love Superion. Maybe it's the individual figures.
DGAF about the Scramble City options of the Combiner Wars groups and I really don't think a bulk of the people complaining about the skeletons really did all that much limb swapping or anything unless they were a StopMo animator. As said in the video, the crummy plastic, the mold reuse and really just look at the figures. The base figures by themselves and in combine mode without any upgrade kits or any third party fixes, just straight up what Hasbro gave you...they were largely booty cheekz and look horrid. I realize some people were young bucks during the CW times and so those toys are their toys and what shaped their opinions. I will take a skeleton that gives me a stronger, studier and better looking combined figure as well as the individual figures over compromises in design that have to be made to have the bots have the combiner parts in them.
1) Generations is becoming more and more like a mini masterpiece line, and this is how the 3rd masterpiece companies do it. 2) I have the United Warriors versions of all three Autobot combiners, with foot and hand upgrades, and the floor polish trick on the joints to stiffen them, and they still fall over! I'm all in for using the skeleton.
Well most 3rd parties. MMC have been doing well with their figures having everything integrated with the figure itself however they are a bit on the small size they're also nowhere near as nice as the other companies doing combiners with the various frames.
@@AndulvarDefensors feet lol lol. Just got into mmc n easily my favorite. Bruticus looks great n Feral Rex is old but considered to be one of the best predaking. Defensor looking great besides the feet
@@Andulvarimo the mmc bruticus' feet don't look good without the part forming upgrade kit, and onslaught"s robot mode looks goofy with the long torso. I think parts forming is needed and I think the skeleton is the best solution
It worked for Menasor because of how he was initially designed and I do agree it isn’t the best option for Superion to follow the same princples, however if the combined mode stays together and doesn’t fall apart I’m all up for it. I just wish they strayed more from G1 Designs with their toylines but that is a whole other issue
I never been excited about the aotp superion tbh. Yes it’s animation accurate but the design just looks off to me and doesn’t look cool compared the cw when it comes to the head and the torso, plus I really hate air raid (and eventually skydive) being on the back of the legs as it makes the whole design worse imo. That’s the same way I feel when having wildrider and breakdown on the back of legacy menasor legs and that one is way worse when the front of the legs are all gray.
Personally, I don't mind the Skeletons so long as this is relegated to combiner teams that it makes sense with. It made sense for Menasor, given that it's combination sequence was literally just slapping the cars onto a torso and legs, and while I don't much care for ripping the arm-bots in half, the alternative would have been to either have severely compromised arms or severely compromised robot modes to adjust for Triple Change. Superion from what I recall used roughly the same combination sequence, so the frame yet again makes sense. The only thing I don't like is that Silverbolt has to lug around a giant pile of kibble to serve as the Superion's frame. It's a lot less graceful than Motormaster's trailer. That's not even getting into the topic of the upgrade kits, which for some combiners, were basically necessary to make the combined robot stable enough to stand under its own weight and look good doing so.
You know, I never bought any of the upgrade kits for the five combiners I have from CW, missed out on Abominus due to bad distro and didn't go for UW Computron, but I didn't really have any issues with the stock hands and feet. I wasn't pushing them into highly dynamic poses though.
No, superion combines in a very different way from menasor. The limbs are all individual bots transformed not just a plane sticks to a main frame. Also, the idea that menasor is just a big robot frame with cars attached onto it is a misleading statement since even in a few g1 cartoon episodes you can clearly see each arm and leg transforms from car into body parts then connect to the main body formed by motomaster.
For me I'd either want the old style where everything transforms and combines or something completely screen accurate in robot mode that doesn't transform at all, personally I think the inbetween is meh, but people are into what they're into and that's okay with me
I strongly believe a lot of collectors would be happier with cartoon accurate highly articulated action figures rather than converting toys. Hasbro's been high on the concept since Action Masters, but their execution always faltered and the alternatives like Super7 are not hitting the right price points.
I think the cool thing about the newer combiners is they can replicate the base-mode that the original G1 toy turned into, but instead of the character (e.g. Motormaster) turning into the base, it's more like an accessory. Also, some people criticise that the combiner (e.g. Menasor) is just the character with the limbs (e.g. Drag Strip) being clipped-on armour pieces. Honestly, I'd rather have that than an 'amputee' combiner. I remember trying to complete Volcanicus, and for the longest time I used Sinnertwin as one of his legs because I couldn't find Snarl anywhere. I ended up needing to buy a KO Snarl to complete Volcanicus.
I just wish they could make an Offroad and Alpha Bravo for both teams. Even if they are aiming towards cartoon accuracy, it would be fun if they could throw in those two original characters with some updates. The same goes with Rook if they are planning for a Defensor in the future. Who doesn't love Rook?
Nobody liked rook, his sole story was him dying and First aid saying he wished he'd talked to him more after the fact. I would like him more if he actually had a worthwhile thing to like about him
I think some should ask them self why toys need to be "cartoon accurate"? The figures in the Transformers cartoons were changed a lot to make them easier to draw. In a lazy way.
As a child of the 80s, I love G-1. It has a special place in my heart, but I am long over the slavish devotion to it. Especially as it's resulting in more and more overengineered [thus making jacking up the prices] toys. Remember the people who want this were the same ones that crapped on Alternators for their "complex transformations".
@IrishKyokushin it's funny you bring up Alternators. I remember when those, MP01 and RotF Optimus Prime came out and were considered complex. Going back to the two Prime toys recently, they feel relatively simple. Could manage them blind and not having touched them for well over a decade. Oh how times have changed, they have nothing on SS 07 Barricade.
Bingo. They were simplified and compromised so the lowest bid, lazy Korean animators could poop out animation for as cheap as possible. I hate the focus on “cartoon accurate.”
I'm happy to see some of these new style combiners. I'm actually looking forward to the new style Superion.That said, I couldn't imagine Abominus or Volcanicus in this style. I'd like to see something scrambler city style and I think the CW/PotP limbs were mostly good but the Voyager bodies were not upto it and the combiner parts were not the best. Upping the body bot to a Leader with all the combiner parts and more solid build would be a good way forward.
While I think some others have brought it up my biggest problem with the skeleton method is that to me the entire point of a combining robot is well the combination, and if one robot makes up like 90-95% of the combined robot, then what is even the point of it being a combiner. This really sucks for me as I was unable to complete my Bruticus from Combiner Wars and was hoping that an updated version with more G1 accurate individual robots/vehicles would be on it's way; but if its just going to be an Onslaught skeleton with effectively overpriced add on accessories to fill out the limbs that completely kills any enthusiasm I had as the combination is at least half of the fun for me. (Also on a side note I don't even necessarily care about the scramble city functionality; I solely care about transforming the individual robots into the component parts of the larger whole.)
I love this new AOTP Superion design. I had the CW version but this version have better engineering and more posability. By the way, they have shown that the scramble city option is possible
Does anyone remember the Fans Project BrainStorm one of few plane formers who's alt mode wasn't robot under a jet. I think that Jetfire/Skyfire is also a figure that does a good job of not being robot under a jet.
No joke, im literally considering just buying combiner wars bruticus knock off on amazon. I don’t care about the stability if the result is a massive block on the “jet”
All that being said this is a very constructive review. Compared to say, Chris chan where his literal thumbnail and title was just a middle finger to people who like the older ones. Honestly It probably wouldn’t even be that big a deal if they made the partsforming skeleton into seperate characters(since it’s just 3/4s of an incomplete robot anyway.) and make the leg bots optionally go on the back of
@@ignitedmotion5807 On the official release, Brawl has some weird chest issues where it's not meant to tab in and is floppy, and I can't attest to the quality of the KO, but Bruticus was easily the best CW set. Defensor is pretty good too, but Streetwise is a weak link since the base toy, Dead End, wasn't stellar to start with.
idk why anybody would call them lazy compromised? yes. but what theyre trying to achieve, theyre doing very well. even if i or others dislike their design goal. decorating a preformed robot with kibble isnt what i consider a combiner, but thats cartoon accuracy, ig
I think both Superion’s are really good. Both are trying to do 2 different things and both look great. I just wish the new one didn’t have the spring loaded leg panels. Didn’t like them with menasor, still don’t like them with superion.
I like Combiner Wars, but it & Titans Return had such big problem with prioritizing not-usually combiner/headmaster characters for the looks of molds instead of prioritizing the looks of the characters made for those gimmicks for the molds. Like too many felt like the originally combiner/headmaster characters were an afterthought.
Chris-chan does toy reviews now? Regardless, CW Sliverbolt flipping upside down to form the torso is the most ingenious transformation schemes of all time and whatever this new sliver is going for is not remotely clever at all. Therefore CW will likely be my forever Superion.
I came back into the fold a little too late for Combiner Wars, and only really know them from seeing all the Ali Express KOs. I like the combiner wars version because I like the idea of the bit bringing the limb. (Even though we still had to add hands and feet. But I like the more cohesive look of the new version. It looks more like a solid single bot and less of a bunch of bots slapped together. Both have their charms for sure.
At first i didnt like the new one, but after a while i change my mind. He actually looks the best out of all hasbro has ever done with the character. Its gonna be a fun toy.
No. Lazy is NOT the word. Although the skeleton is not my favorite concept and i do still prefer my combiner wars due to their overall package and function, i have to concede that this is what progress looks like. It isnt lazy, its compromised. Which in truth is the entire franchise in a nutshell. I do not like the skeleton at all. But i also don't feel comfortable disrespecting the engineering and progress made with the figures. That said in my house this isnt what a combiner looks like. Just my preference. P.S. im not sure why they didnt make silverbolts add on carriage a separate drone instead of an add on to his vehicle. I think itd have been cooler to have two planes instead of the super plane.
I ended up getting Legacy Menasor because I hated the Combiner wars version, even with the upgrades It just sucked for me.. I am quite happy with the toy and it's scale to my Combiner Wars Superion with with several upgrade kits.. I won't be getting Legacy Superion, but I will hold out until I see the Combatacons, though I am happy with my Combiner Wars Bruticus with its many upgrades..
I'd imagine Id care more about loosing the scramble city play pattern if I had ever used it as a kid, switching the limbs never really did anything other than make the combined form look weird, its not like the limbs ever had any gimmicks of their own back in G1 and 2, its a neat novelty but its a novelty I'm more than happy to leave behind because the Skeleton idea looks pretty decent from the pictures since it seems to make a more solid combined form with better articulation? Besides Combiner wars kept the switchable limbs, just track those down if you really need to relive it in a modern toy I guess.
I'm looking forward to standing this opposite my Menasaur .......... your 'base' idea for Silverbolt would have been good though . But not the biggest deal to me its not like Superion isn't going always be in combiner mode
Yeah, this is why I think transforming at all is a bit of a formality for many at this point. Convert it once, chuck it on a shelf. I do wonder how Action Masters would go now given how much sensibilities and demographics have changed. Yolo Park is doing fine. I have a video briefly discussing this coming up in the future.
I honestly think the skeleton is perfect, and the best way to get a good looking combiner without compromising the robots. IDGAF about scramble city or that they're reusing the concept from menasor. They're perfect and I 100% prefer the look compared to combiner wars
Menasor and Superion were never true combiners. The limb bots basically became armor pieces. The only true ones were Predaking, Abominus, Devastator, Defensor and Bruticus. The limb bots actually become limbs.
That's an odd comment. The show's character models are based off of preproduction or working prototype versions of the toys, then simplified for ease of the animation process. The only exceptions to this are the characters from the movie, bar Ultra Magnus.
@SGD_ToysDownUnder I know how the show models were made. The problem is Superion and Menasor didn't work like the toys in the show. You can clearly seem the limb bots become more like armor than actual limbs, unlike the others.
Complaining about the design are just people too young to know how Devestator worked. He needed a waist frame for the legs and for Long Haul to connect to.
Yes, Devastator has one piece to hold him together. At least it wasn't a whole frame. We just want the figures to actually form the limbs, not just peg on like a Minicon.
I think the new version looks cool. You can just leave the big attachment off of Silverbolt if you don't like the way it looks. I'm more interested in the upcoming Combaticons. My most recent mainline Bruticus is the 1986 version! It'll be nice to get a modern take on my favourite combiners. Hope they don't screw it up. I just checked BBTS for prices. $90 for Silverbolt! That's Masterpiece money! Too rich for my blood. I won't spend $200 on a mainline Superion. Might as well just get a Newage or Magic Square combiner.
Meh... controversy be controversy I guess. Superion looks cool, Silverbolt still can't be a not Concord without an aerodynamic defying shipping container housing unit hanging from his underside, and the fandom has split opinions, soo things are normal.
I own every G1 CW combiner and a lot of the repaints. Like the White Prime and his limb bots. Also Sky Lynx and the later PotP Volcanicus as well as Elita and her team. Really the limb bots suck. It is a floppy mess compared to the Menasor we got now. I love my gestalts. My G1 gestalts are also on display and I got to say, CW isn't better than G1. They can stand upright...mostly. They do tilt foward or backward no matter what you do. Piranacon and the UW Computron are the best looking of the bunch. But they seriously lack pose ability. And be damned with the scramble city. And that isn't even an argument anymore. The limbs can swap shown in the last images. These new figures are vastly better. They are betting individual bots, and better alt modes. The combined mode looks toon accurate. I honestly think it is just hate due to the love for the CW figures. Or the lack people have of funds to replace everything. I can get that. But that isn't a solid argument.
I have most of the combiner wars sets and the new stuff doesnt really interest me enough to replace them. The new ones arent combiners, the smaller robots are bastically clothes 😂
My problems with Combiners Wars Combiners was how small the Combiners are and how poor the plastic quality was , why i sold all my Combiners war Combiners for the bulkier look and better quality of the Combiners on top of that the vehicle and robot mods of AOTP are not compromised by the Combiner gimmick lick the ones in CW and You can still do the scramble city gimmick with these new Combiners you just can't swap between the arm and legs characters with said but you can swap the limbs with other combiners os the skeleton system
I don’t buy Hasbro for the most part and collect Legends scale from Newage and MagicSquare and that’s because those look like the character. I don’t care the method, I’m an adult and don’t sit around playing with these.
I don't think I'll ever understand this. If you're just leaving them in robot mode on a shelf, wouldn't you be happier with traditional action figures or statues rather than puzzle toys? Something like what Super 7 is currently making.
I love my CW / POTP era combiners. Could write about how I love the pure scramble city gimmicks all day. They aren’t the perfect, but Superion, Defensor, Bruticus and Abominous are amazing. CW Menasor is my favourite… which is a hot take 🤣 I just love the IDW designs of the individual members and the combined mode. (I have 3 💀) Skylynx combined mode torso is incredible paired with g2 CW aerial bots is perfect. Skyreign supreme. I love the CW scramble city gimmick, I’m able to make my own Combiners. They are easy to transform into robot-vehicle-combiner modes respectively. Doesn’t take a million steps… But you bring up a point that I’ve always thought. We should be grateful that we have so many options. That’s the best thing by! We all just love combiners 🤙 Great video
I really enjoyed all of Prime Wars. Each of the three lines has a lot to offer and are still a lot of fun. Yeah, Menasor is quite the hot take, but I think a lot of what's disliked about it is greatly overblown. CW is still that era of making G1 contemporary rather than G1 with modern engineering and making Motormaster just the cab rather than the trailer is part of that. I think my favorite set was the Protectabots. The Onslaught / Hot Spot mold was just a good toy and the set overall was great. I still would like to grab a lot of CW stuff I missed out on.
Regardless, HASBRO is incapable of making a combiner that doesn’t need a bevy of improvements and upgrades. I know that with every HASBRO Transformers purchase I make, there’ll be something I’ll have to buy to upgrade it, and I’ve become accustomed to that🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Complaining about the design are just people too young to know how Devestator worked. He needed a waist frame for the legs and for Long Haul to connect to.
I don’t particularly care about losing the scramble city combiners, but I do much prefer when combiner limbs are actually made up of the limb bots as opposed to them decorating a skeleton
The combiners can scramble city, excluding devastator, at least from what we’ve seen on marks instagram posts
@ventris425productions5 I haven't seen them switch an arm bot to a leg or vice-versa yet.
(Do show me where to find that if that has happened though.)
menasor is the only one who should do it, because its actually accurate
@@creeper_was_here Yep, I think Menasor was good. Superion should have been voyager sizes and follow what they did with Predaking and Devastator.
@@creeper_was_hereI agree. In the cartoon, motormaster literally just grows and the other cars just tack onto the sides of his limbs.
Honestly my only complaint is that with all the sleek new amazing engineering Silverbolt is still just a whole man stuck to the bottom of a jet
@@Scrombo2 I don't think there will ever be any escaping that. Jets don't have much mass.
It's basically how he has always been. Both in the cartoon and in toy form. A robot dude slapped under a plane. While the deluxe figures have a jet stuck on their back. It also makes them as a group stand out. More as the "goodguys" compared to the involved look that the decepticon jet formers have. Also if I am correct wings on decepticons stand up. Autobots, stand down.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder im not so sure, legacy metalhawk does a decent job
That was inescapable.
They could’ve atleast found a way to get the turbines on the underside to mask it all better.
unfixable unless you make him lanky and oddly proportioned like RotF Jetfire. Then you have to deal with a ton of panels and that would just be a headache
What's the point of getting the whole team if one of them is 95% of the combiner? I don't care about accuracy to the cartoon, I care about fun toys with cool engineering.
to me it's the legs, not having the robots integrate in the leg proper and just hanging there like a bulge kills the mood for me. they could have redone combiner wars style but with modern engineering and articulation and it would've been better (also don't mind superion looking a bit slender since it's supposed to be made of planes and not a hulk)
"If you missed combiner wars - You'll be fine"
For me, its not a combiner if they don't combine. To me, sacrifcing that from screen accuracy is too much.
My main problem with the skeleton method going forward is that it innately misunderstands why people liked the Stunticons in Legacy: That was as close to show accurate as they could get when it comes to how they transformed, and it was novel for them to work like that as a result. It played into the cheesiness of how he was animated and felt like a genuine celebration of what the franchise is by doing new and daring things to make him work like that in a way no other company, even third parties, has really tried by having it so the arms physically separate the combiner member through pure mechanical action. In addition, they changed up how he looked a bit to make him look more like a musclebound barbarian rather than "a guy made of boxes" without making him unrecognizable.
Not only is Superion not usually shown like that in the show, but he has none of the stylistic embellishments that they gave Menasor to make him more menacing. He looks so accurate to his model that it actively makes him look less appealing. He looks like he was made based exclusively on badly done animation cels rather than being an interpretation of what those cels were trying to convey.
AotP Superion looks like how he did, and then tries to eke out an interesting robot around that concept. Legacy Menasor looks like how the people growing up with the show would've seen him, and built the robots up from there. With this in mind, the only Aerialbots i've seen really make Superion look cool in the same way Legacy made Menasor look cool is Combiner Wars. It's a set of sleek jets (and a helicoptor) that combine into a robot whose proportions are interesting but refined if you switch up the feet a bit.
Plus, it even works better thematically. The Aerialbots have a more "distributed" combination that allows them to become a very stable, athletic looking humanoid. Motormaster meanwhile PRETENDS he's the only one that matters and thus makes up the bulk of Menasor, and then the rest of the Stunticons are bolted on and have little in the way to contribute other than additional noise in Menasor's head.
Yes Legacy Motormaster was good looking and stable.
While I give it a pass for Menasor and reluctantly Superion? I hope they don't use the same method again for Bruticus and Defensor. The skeleton model works because at the end of the day Menasor is just a guy with cars strapped to him.
Seeing as Devastator looks different in his combined mode, I'd think they would go for his direction when Bruticus and Defensor are made
I wouldn't count on it. With bruticus also coming this toyline, I 100% believe they'll use the skeleton. Especially since devastator is differently made BECAUSE it's devastator, who has 6 bots instead of the usual 5 that others have. Although, bruticus could do it better since the skeleton could turn into a trailer bed
@@leemon4559if they use the skeleton on bruticus they we sacrifice cartoon arcuracy as he is meant to look like an actual combiner
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 but chances are they'll still use the skeleton, just modify it a little differently. I don't see them making a cost effective bruticus that looks good, without the individual robots or vehicles looking absolutely terrible.
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 either way, I hope they use the skeleton for bruticus. It works and it looks good, so if they do I'm buying it. I don't want another combiner wars with its bad proportions and designs.
I think that instead of giving Silverbolt a "trailer" attachment, they could have turned the attachment into another figure.
They could have made it a runway or a control tower
Yeah they named the other figure “Superion”
Honestly my biggest problems with superion (and the system in general) are first that you get NO individual display option, you are forced to have the legbots be hidden, or you lose out on articulation and they (for some reason) only make half of the team members split in half for arm mode, eventhough that could've been given to every member to facilitate the scramble city gimmick. The 2nd thing that this set and system misses out on are varying body types for combiners, superion being this wide just looks wrong, i never get why hasbro makes jetformers so boxy when it clashes with their design (like the ER seeker mold)
In-hand images revealed that the limbs for both the Menasor and Superion skeletons are swappable with each other to somewhat emulate the scramble city gimmick. While I appreciate the attempt, this feels more like a bandage solution.
Hasbro wanted the animation accurate figure. There is a trade off with engineering design. The frame combiner works better with trucks like Menasor and even Defensor. It does not look that good in vehicle mode for jets.
The crummy low-budget 80s cartoon did it therefore the collector targeted nostalgia bait must do it🤷
Well, it is what they grew up with. Not everyone is toys first or even appreciates the original toy designs.
I’ll gladly take the parts forming the frame and loss of the scramble city playstyle in exchange for improved stability and less gangly-looking limbs.
Same!
Yep me too, when ever I tried to play with my combiner wars Bruticus he would scrunch up and transform into a pile of limbs. Too floppy and annoying
I was excited for this one. But, now I'm just kinda indifferent. I probably won't get him.
Not that I think CW is necessarily better, I'm just not interested. Which is weird because I love Superion.
Maybe it's the individual figures.
That's really fair.
DGAF about the Scramble City options of the Combiner Wars groups and I really don't think a bulk of the people complaining about the skeletons really did all that much limb swapping or anything unless they were a StopMo animator. As said in the video, the crummy plastic, the mold reuse and really just look at the figures. The base figures by themselves and in combine mode without any upgrade kits or any third party fixes, just straight up what Hasbro gave you...they were largely booty cheekz and look horrid. I realize some people were young bucks during the CW times and so those toys are their toys and what shaped their opinions. I will take a skeleton that gives me a stronger, studier and better looking combined figure as well as the individual figures over compromises in design that have to be made to have the bots have the combiner parts in them.
1) Generations is becoming more and more like a mini masterpiece line, and this is how the 3rd masterpiece companies do it.
2) I have the United Warriors versions of all three Autobot combiners, with foot and hand upgrades, and the floor polish trick on the joints to stiffen them, and they still fall over!
I'm all in for using the skeleton.
Well most 3rd parties. MMC have been doing well with their figures having everything integrated with the figure itself however they are a bit on the small size they're also nowhere near as nice as the other companies doing combiners with the various frames.
@@AndulvarDefensors feet lol lol. Just got into mmc n easily my favorite. Bruticus looks great n Feral Rex is old but considered to be one of the best predaking. Defensor looking great besides the feet
@@Andulvarimo the mmc bruticus' feet don't look good without the part forming upgrade kit, and onslaught"s robot mode looks goofy with the long torso. I think parts forming is needed and I think the skeleton is the best solution
It worked for Menasor because of how he was initially designed and I do agree it isn’t the best option for Superion to follow the same princples, however if the combined mode stays together and doesn’t fall apart I’m all up for it. I just wish they strayed more from G1 Designs with their toylines but that is a whole other issue
Frankly I just want them to revisit Orthia.
agreed
maybe a large sized volcanicus too
i love core dinobots but their robot/dino forms are kinda meh
I never been excited about the aotp superion tbh. Yes it’s animation accurate but the design just looks off to me and doesn’t look cool compared the cw when it comes to the head and the torso, plus I really hate air raid (and eventually skydive) being on the back of the legs as it makes the whole design worse imo. That’s the same way I feel when having wildrider and breakdown on the back of legacy menasor legs and that one is way worse when the front of the legs are all gray.
U know I really wish they make them as missing link style toys. I don’t like the new combiner design at all. They are hardly transformer now.
That'd be interesting to see how they'd pull it off. I think some might come off better than others.
Personally, I don't mind the Skeletons so long as this is relegated to combiner teams that it makes sense with. It made sense for Menasor, given that it's combination sequence was literally just slapping the cars onto a torso and legs, and while I don't much care for ripping the arm-bots in half, the alternative would have been to either have severely compromised arms or severely compromised robot modes to adjust for Triple Change.
Superion from what I recall used roughly the same combination sequence, so the frame yet again makes sense. The only thing I don't like is that Silverbolt has to lug around a giant pile of kibble to serve as the Superion's frame. It's a lot less graceful than Motormaster's trailer.
That's not even getting into the topic of the upgrade kits, which for some combiners, were basically necessary to make the combined robot stable enough to stand under its own weight and look good doing so.
You know, I never bought any of the upgrade kits for the five combiners I have from CW, missed out on Abominus due to bad distro and didn't go for UW Computron, but I didn't really have any issues with the stock hands and feet. I wasn't pushing them into highly dynamic poses though.
No, superion combines in a very different way from menasor. The limbs are all individual bots transformed not just a plane sticks to a main frame. Also, the idea that menasor is just a big robot frame with cars attached onto it is a misleading statement since even in a few g1 cartoon episodes you can clearly see each arm and leg transforms from car into body parts then connect to the main body formed by motomaster.
For me I'd either want the old style where everything transforms and combines or something completely screen accurate in robot mode that doesn't transform at all, personally I think the inbetween is meh, but people are into what they're into and that's okay with me
I strongly believe a lot of collectors would be happier with cartoon accurate highly articulated action figures rather than converting toys. Hasbro's been high on the concept since Action Masters, but their execution always faltered and the alternatives like Super7 are not hitting the right price points.
I think the cool thing about the newer combiners is they can replicate the base-mode that the original G1 toy turned into, but instead of the character (e.g. Motormaster) turning into the base, it's more like an accessory. Also, some people criticise that the combiner (e.g. Menasor) is just the character with the limbs (e.g. Drag Strip) being clipped-on armour pieces. Honestly, I'd rather have that than an 'amputee' combiner. I remember trying to complete Volcanicus, and for the longest time I used Sinnertwin as one of his legs because I couldn't find Snarl anywhere. I ended up needing to buy a KO Snarl to complete Volcanicus.
8:28, truer words never spoken till now.
I just wish they could make an Offroad and Alpha Bravo for both teams. Even if they are aiming towards cartoon accuracy, it would be fun if they could throw in those two original characters with some updates. The same goes with Rook if they are planning for a Defensor in the future. Who doesn't love Rook?
@@SwedishSeacon I actually prefer Blast Off as a jet. It fits the team better. The added members didn't deserve the reception they got.
Nobody liked rook, his sole story was him dying and First aid saying he wished he'd talked to him more after the fact.
I would like him more if he actually had a worthwhile thing to like about him
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Were the reception good or bad?
I still prefer Combiner wars over the new versions.
@@osenator Yeah, combiner wars suited my tastes really well too.
Ditto
Same.
@@rhyperiorhunter7339 wait fr?
i really dislike combiner wars and idk why
Really want the TFC Superion. Someone earlier commented how it was novel w/ menasor n i agree. I want COMBINERS not a bunch stuck on a scaffold.
I think some should ask them self why toys need to be "cartoon accurate"? The figures in the Transformers cartoons were changed a lot to make them easier to draw. In a lazy way.
@@bowelrupture When most people drag themselves to bed, lay on their pillow and think about transformers, they think of the original cartoon.
I can't speak for everyone, but I'm buying them because of the link with my childhood, hence why cartoon accuracy is a point
As a child of the 80s, I love G-1. It has a special place in my heart, but I am long over the slavish devotion to it. Especially as it's resulting in more and more overengineered [thus making jacking up the prices] toys. Remember the people who want this were the same ones that crapped on Alternators for their "complex transformations".
@IrishKyokushin it's funny you bring up Alternators. I remember when those, MP01 and RotF Optimus Prime came out and were considered complex. Going back to the two Prime toys recently, they feel relatively simple. Could manage them blind and not having touched them for well over a decade. Oh how times have changed, they have nothing on SS 07 Barricade.
Bingo. They were simplified and compromised so the lowest bid, lazy Korean animators could poop out animation for as cheap as possible. I hate the focus on “cartoon accurate.”
I think it is a lot of work, but it is being performed by unqualified people
I'm happy to see some of these new style combiners. I'm actually looking forward to the new style Superion.That said, I couldn't imagine Abominus or Volcanicus in this style.
I'd like to see something scrambler city style and I think the CW/PotP limbs were mostly good but the Voyager bodies were not upto it and the combiner parts were not the best. Upping the body bot to a Leader with all the combiner parts and more solid build would be a good way forward.
While I think some others have brought it up my biggest problem with the skeleton method is that to me the entire point of a combining robot is well the combination, and if one robot makes up like 90-95% of the combined robot, then what is even the point of it being a combiner. This really sucks for me as I was unable to complete my Bruticus from Combiner Wars and was hoping that an updated version with more G1 accurate individual robots/vehicles would be on it's way; but if its just going to be an Onslaught skeleton with effectively overpriced add on accessories to fill out the limbs that completely kills any enthusiasm I had as the combination is at least half of the fun for me. (Also on a side note I don't even necessarily care about the scramble city functionality; I solely care about transforming the individual robots into the component parts of the larger whole.)
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Yeah ik
I love this new AOTP Superion design. I had the CW version but this version have better engineering and more posability. By the way, they have shown that the scramble city option is possible
@@brunoescarcega yeah, I saw that during the week, I finished this week and last week's scripts on the same day.
Does anyone remember the Fans Project BrainStorm one of few plane formers who's alt mode wasn't robot under a jet. I think that Jetfire/Skyfire is also a figure that does a good job of not being robot under a jet.
It helps when you're working with a fantasy plane with lots of junk in the trunk.
Transformers fans hating something before it’s even out? WOW who would’ve guessed!
That’s why menasor always bugged me in the cartoon…if motormaster can become that big on his own why does he need the other stunticons? Lol
No joke, im literally considering just buying combiner wars bruticus knock off on amazon. I don’t care about the stability if the result is a massive block on the “jet”
All that being said this is a very constructive review. Compared to say, Chris chan where his literal thumbnail and title was just a middle finger to people who like the older ones.
Honestly It probably wouldn’t even be that big a deal if they made the partsforming skeleton into seperate characters(since it’s just 3/4s of an incomplete robot anyway.) and make the leg bots optionally go on the back of
@@ignitedmotion5807 On the official release, Brawl has some weird chest issues where it's not meant to tab in and is floppy, and I can't attest to the quality of the KO, but Bruticus was easily the best CW set. Defensor is pretty good too, but Streetwise is a weak link since the base toy, Dead End, wasn't stellar to start with.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder that’s fine. I mean a lot of the modern toys I have are constantly in maintenance check so fixing a few loose bits is cakework
I'm cartoon accuracy first, so I dont care about play patterns if it looks like it did on screen.
Were a rare breed. The older g1 fans are slavish to toy accuracy and moan whenever something is too accurate.
On Menasor, he's too toon aesthetic. That's my complaint he's cars on a skeleton
idk why anybody would call them lazy
compromised? yes.
but what theyre trying to achieve, theyre doing very well. even if i or others dislike their design goal. decorating a preformed robot with kibble isnt what i consider a combiner, but thats cartoon accuracy, ig
I think both Superion’s are really good. Both are trying to do 2 different things and both look great. I just wish the new one didn’t have the spring loaded leg panels. Didn’t like them with menasor, still don’t like them with superion.
Well, the ratchets in the arms and legs will allow for better poseability.
Didn't Hasbro (Evan) say that the new Superion can do scramble city.
Only difference is the legs are not turned around.
I cant wait to hear the screams if they do a new abominus and computron with this design.
Is this an old video? Because we no that you can swap the limbs between Menasaur and Superion, we have photos.
Nothing will ever top G1 Combiners We got it right 40 years ago.
I like Combiner Wars, but it & Titans Return had such big problem with prioritizing not-usually combiner/headmaster characters for the looks of molds instead of prioritizing the looks of the characters made for those gimmicks for the molds.
Like too many felt like the originally combiner/headmaster characters were an afterthought.
Chris-chan does toy reviews now? Regardless, CW Sliverbolt flipping upside down to form the torso is the most ingenious transformation schemes of all time and whatever this new sliver is going for is not remotely clever at all. Therefore CW will likely be my forever Superion.
Im a Combaticon Fangirl, but if it somehow uses the skeleton, I will pass... I like my combiners to... Ya know, combine!
I came back into the fold a little too late for Combiner Wars, and only really know them from seeing all the Ali Express KOs.
I like the combiner wars version because I like the idea of the bit bringing the limb. (Even though we still had to add hands and feet.
But I like the more cohesive look of the new version. It looks more like a solid single bot and less of a bunch of bots slapped together. Both have their charms for sure.
@@CartwheelsintheKitchen It's ultimately good both exist.
There were other 3rd party companies who did that before Magic Square
At first i didnt like the new one, but after a while i change my mind. He actually looks the best out of all hasbro has ever done with the character. Its gonna be a fun toy.
No. Lazy is NOT the word. Although the skeleton is not my favorite concept and i do still prefer my combiner wars due to their overall package and function, i have to concede that this is what progress looks like. It isnt lazy, its compromised. Which in truth is the entire franchise in a nutshell. I do not like the skeleton at all. But i also don't feel comfortable disrespecting the engineering and progress made with the figures.
That said in my house this isnt what a combiner looks like. Just my preference.
P.S. im not sure why they didnt make silverbolts add on carriage a separate drone instead of an add on to his vehicle. I think itd have been cooler to have two planes instead of the super plane.
AOTP Superion is not screen accurate. Maybe around 70 percent. For a commander class silverbolt has to many hallow parts. Hasbro is just lazy
I ended up getting Legacy Menasor because I hated the Combiner wars version, even with the upgrades It just sucked for me.. I am quite happy with the toy and it's scale to my Combiner Wars Superion with with several upgrade kits.. I won't be getting Legacy Superion, but I will hold out until I see the Combatacons, though I am happy with my Combiner Wars Bruticus with its many upgrades..
I'd imagine Id care more about loosing the scramble city play pattern if I had ever used it as a kid, switching the limbs never really did anything other than make the combined form look weird, its not like the limbs ever had any gimmicks of their own back in G1 and 2, its a neat novelty but its a novelty I'm more than happy to leave behind because the Skeleton idea looks pretty decent from the pictures since it seems to make a more solid combined form with better articulation?
Besides Combiner wars kept the switchable limbs, just track those down if you really need to relive it in a modern toy I guess.
I'm looking forward to standing this opposite my Menasaur .......... your 'base' idea for Silverbolt would have been good though . But not the biggest deal to me its not like Superion isn't going always be in combiner mode
Yeah, this is why I think transforming at all is a bit of a formality for many at this point. Convert it once, chuck it on a shelf. I do wonder how Action Masters would go now given how much sensibilities and demographics have changed. Yolo Park is doing fine. I have a video briefly discussing this coming up in the future.
I honestly think the skeleton is perfect, and the best way to get a good looking combiner without compromising the robots. IDGAF about scramble city or that they're reusing the concept from menasor. They're perfect and I 100% prefer the look compared to combiner wars
Menasor and Superion were never true combiners. The limb bots basically became armor pieces. The only true ones were Predaking, Abominus, Devastator, Defensor and Bruticus. The limb bots actually become limbs.
That's an odd comment. The show's character models are based off of preproduction or working prototype versions of the toys, then simplified for ease of the animation process. The only exceptions to this are the characters from the movie, bar Ultra Magnus.
@SGD_ToysDownUnder I know how the show models were made. The problem is Superion and Menasor didn't work like the toys in the show. You can clearly seem the limb bots become more like armor than actual limbs, unlike the others.
@ You said "were never true combiners", never specifying you were talking about the cartoon exclusively.
@SGD_ToysDownUnder I was talking about the show because ofc they toys would combine normally.
@@DarthRakdos0805 Mate, if you only knew some of the comments I get, you'd know why I read yours literally.
I dont think bruticus will have the menasor skeleton sinds all of the limbs have different colors
Or the limbs can go over the skeleton
They do do the Scramble City function. Aerialbots fit on Menasor and the same backwards.
I do and don't like this style as in the frame
We’re actually getting a stable frame. Combiner wars superion stability no bueno, same with cw Menasor. I’m a screen accuracy guy
Complaining about the design are just people too young to know how Devestator worked. He needed a waist frame for the legs and for Long Haul to connect to.
Yes, Devastator has one piece to hold him together. At least it wasn't a whole frame. We just want the figures to actually form the limbs, not just peg on like a Minicon.
I don’t care for both lol, I’ll happily buy both if they were on clearance or for cheap.
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It's a controversy Buts as it is a stupid ass controversy I've elected to ignore it.
I can't wait for them!
Did you say Chris Chan. Wasn’t he in the slammer?
apparently he meant chris jaam
excuse his shoddy posh accent
No. I’m here all week if you need anymore questions answered.
I really want Mattel to make an Origins Clawdeen.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder ME TOO!!!!!!
I think the new version looks cool. You can just leave the big attachment off of Silverbolt if you don't like the way it looks. I'm more interested in the upcoming Combaticons. My most recent mainline Bruticus is the 1986 version! It'll be nice to get a modern take on my favourite combiners. Hope they don't screw it up.
I just checked BBTS for prices. $90 for Silverbolt! That's Masterpiece money!
Too rich for my blood. I won't spend $200 on a mainline Superion.
Might as well just get a Newage or Magic Square combiner.
Did I hear Chris Chan? Also I completely forget that thing is a tf fan
@@disrupter8318 Chris JaAm.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder ohhhh, well now I feel silly.
@@disrupter8318 lol, DW about it. I even heard it in editing.
Wait......Chris-Chan? THE Chris-Chan?
@@ZX-Gear Chris JaAm lol.
@SGD_ToysDownUnder Oh okay. I misheard. BAD.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder dude your accent is so overblown that you nearly gave me a heart attack
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I'm pretty sure the stunticons fit on the aerialbot frame and vise versa
Meh... controversy be controversy I guess.
Superion looks cool, Silverbolt still can't be a not Concord without an aerodynamic defying shipping container housing unit hanging from his underside, and the fandom has split opinions, soo things are normal.
MF's will call anything lazy toy design except actual lazy toy design (SS86 Devastator)
Hm??
How is SS86 Dev lazy?
Meh. I'm stoked for it. I still love menasor with his dna kit. Cant wait for superior and his dna kit 😂
I own every G1 CW combiner and a lot of the repaints. Like the White Prime and his limb bots. Also Sky Lynx and the later PotP Volcanicus as well as Elita and her team. Really the limb bots suck. It is a floppy mess compared to the Menasor we got now. I love my gestalts. My G1 gestalts are also on display and I got to say, CW isn't better than G1. They can stand upright...mostly. They do tilt foward or backward no matter what you do. Piranacon and the UW Computron are the best looking of the bunch. But they seriously lack pose ability. And be damned with the scramble city. And that isn't even an argument anymore. The limbs can swap shown in the last images. These new figures are vastly better. They are betting individual bots, and better alt modes. The combined mode looks toon accurate. I honestly think it is just hate due to the love for the CW figures. Or the lack people have of funds to replace everything. I can get that. But that isn't a solid argument.
I have most of the combiner wars sets and the new stuff doesnt really interest me enough to replace them. The new ones arent combiners, the smaller robots are bastically clothes 😂
My problems with Combiners Wars Combiners was how small the Combiners are and how poor the plastic quality was , why i sold all my Combiners war Combiners for the bulkier look and better quality of the Combiners on top of that the vehicle and robot mods of AOTP are not compromised by the Combiner gimmick lick the ones in CW and You can still do the scramble city gimmick with these new Combiners you just can't swap between the arm and legs characters with said but you can swap the limbs with other combiners os the skeleton system
I don’t buy Hasbro for the most part and collect Legends scale from Newage and MagicSquare and that’s because those look like the character. I don’t care the method, I’m an adult and don’t sit around playing with these.
I don't think I'll ever understand this. If you're just leaving them in robot mode on a shelf, wouldn't you be happier with traditional action figures or statues rather than puzzle toys? Something like what Super 7 is currently making.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder super 7 are too G1 pilled to be an option, how long till they make a Super 7 Star saber, or artfire or even Dai-Atlas?
I love my CW / POTP era combiners. Could write about how I love the pure scramble city gimmicks all day.
They aren’t the perfect, but Superion, Defensor, Bruticus and Abominous are amazing.
CW Menasor is my favourite… which is a hot take 🤣 I just love the IDW designs of the individual members and the combined mode. (I have 3 💀)
Skylynx combined mode torso is incredible paired with g2 CW aerial bots is perfect. Skyreign supreme.
I love the CW scramble city gimmick, I’m able to make my own Combiners. They are easy to transform into robot-vehicle-combiner modes respectively. Doesn’t take a million steps…
But you bring up a point that I’ve always thought. We should be grateful that we have so many options. That’s the best thing by!
We all just love combiners 🤙
Great video
Also with the addition of the upgrade kits hands/feet they are super cool
I really enjoyed all of Prime Wars. Each of the three lines has a lot to offer and are still a lot of fun. Yeah, Menasor is quite the hot take, but I think a lot of what's disliked about it is greatly overblown. CW is still that era of making G1 contemporary rather than G1 with modern engineering and making Motormaster just the cab rather than the trailer is part of that. I think my favorite set was the Protectabots. The Onslaught / Hot Spot mold was just a good toy and the set overall was great.
I still would like to grab a lot of CW stuff I missed out on.
@ yeah absolutely. Glad I came across your channel, it’s surprisingly hard to find Aussie transformers channels 😂
I post up new videos on OTCA Facebook page if you're a member there.
💯 bud.
UT & FT Superion are the best accurate ya
You call this design? This is bad comedy!
Regardless, HASBRO is incapable of making a combiner that doesn’t need a bevy of improvements and upgrades. I know that with every HASBRO Transformers purchase I make, there’ll be something I’ll have to buy to upgrade it, and I’ve become accustomed to that🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
New to the channel here sup and gonna sub too and I’m excited to get that new version regardless 🙏🏻btw doing well?
Complaining about the design are just people too young to know how Devestator worked. He needed a waist frame for the legs and for Long Haul to connect to.