I like Broadside but even I can admit the jet mode looks like a brick with wings and I don't know that they can ever make that design have a good jet mode.
My favorite Arcee is the Animated version, she looks the most like her G1 counterpart while having a good transformation, using car parts to make her body, and having good sized feet that allow for posing. Arcee also has really good toys of the times she isn't a car, like Prime Arcee and Bumblebee movie Arcee. Now for a character that NEVER got a good toy, I'd have to go to my old standby, Airachnid. Her Prime figure was SO bad I remember it made you question your top 5 worst transformers of all time back in the day, her tiny little legion figure was better, but nobody is ever going to be satisfied by THAT. Since then her only official new toy so far was a one step changer for Transformers One, but I'm not even sure they announced a proper warrior or deluxe figure for her (which would be a massive shame, I actually really liked her One design and would love to get a good toy of it)
I feel like Arcee doesn't really belong on this list, because the Generations Arcee has aged very well compared to modern attempts at the character. While the design philosophy of the toy (shellforming and backpack) may be controversial, it is still objectively a pretty solid and fun toy to play and mess with. Honestly, she doesn't even shellform as much as you think - at least it tries to incorporate the car in its thighs and chest. And if the black parts aren't to your taste, the Takara color scheme has got you covered.
Funnily, the 'hoverboard' idea probably would have worked better if they'd used more of the car-like, incorporate the hood so it's at least shaped vaguely like a _board,_ maybe collapse the cockpit a bit. Would result in Arcee herself having less of a backpack (and a more accurate one).
Arcee has one good toy you neglected, Studio Series Bumblebee movie Arcee. It's s great figure that manages to have an actual transformation and avoid an egregiously large backpack. It was good posability as well. Definitely the best Arcee made as of now.
I'd be fine letting Arcee have a little more. Bit more cushion and give her that 40/50's pin up vibe. They again are stuck in a G1 mindset but with modern engineering, on a bot that never had a toy, just a bot and alt mode that was never meant to mesh.
The key to getting a good new Tracks figure would be to take the original toy’s transformation and simply make quality of life improvements. Who cares if he ends up with a wide chest because of it? I’d rather have a thicker Tracks than a spindly one who can’t hold together for crap but “looks like the cartoon more”.
They seem to be doing this with a lot of characters lately; the Battlechargers come to mind as another couple of figures that have 3/4 of their car modes folded up on their backs for the sake of a slightly smaller faux chest I'm all for cartoon accuracy but not when the toys themselves have to sacrifice so much for it
@@franzise3605 Agreed. I'm frankly just at the point where once the 1984-1986 guys are finished (assuming that what Mark said about 2026 being the "end of the dream"), I want Hasbro to go back to Classics/Universe 2/early Generations-tier reinventions rather than slavish recreations of designs from a cartoon that couldn't even be accurate to itself.
I don't particularly want another recent breakout character being reduced to yet another Datson remold (Barricade, what have they done to you? Gimme the wheels and windows above his shoulders!), but maybe most people would be cool with it.
With how TFP Knock Out's chest is shaped, I don't see Legacy Knock-Out as a bad interpretation. Now if only he was free from Jazz's clear plastic breakage issues...
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Legacy Wildrider came out first. Breakdown is his retool. That's part of the reason the spoiler is half-assed, since Wildrider didn't have one. If Breakdown had gotten his own mold, they might have been able to make it work properly.
That's the weird thing: They had to remold the part back there to add the pegs FOR the spoiler. They could've just molded it so that it's a more flush spoiler that also splits in half, and given him either a second gun or a more convincing blade attachment for the one he got.
He really didn't need to be his own mold tbh, they were just really lazy with the remolding. All they had to do was remold the shins, roof, windscreen and front section, and make the spoiler two separate pieces or integrade it into the new shins, and I don't think most people would really complain about it anywhere near as much
I forgot how unpleasant Legacy Armada Hot Shot's legs are to handle until you brought him up and I messed with him after like a year. They feel legitimately incomplete.
I feel like whenever they try to fix Armada Hot Shot - or most characters they re-do really - they misconstrue what fixing that design really means. They can - and most often should - just redo the original transformation with the hindsight of the original design's flaws. Legacy Armada Hot Shot would've been so much better if they had just accepted that Hot Shot's visual style innately used the forearm windshields to accentuate that sports-jock personality. Just make it so they can be repositioned rather than just shoving them onto the back of the legs and hoping no one will notice. Not all kibble needs to "disappear". Let characters have visual quirks. As for Sunstorm: I think it's because they were trying to make him into the yellow Rainmaker before they decided to reinvent the yellow one into Nova Storm
@TJOmega you're being unfair to Rhinox toys. Both of his original Beast Wars toys are a lot of fun and look cool. The original is a samurai with a spinning mace saw. The Transmetal has three legitimate modes and looks badass. The Thrilling 30 had weak legs, but he looked cool and transformed well. Rise of the Beasts mainline Rhinox is one of the most underrated figures of all time. He just needed a little more color. So when you really think about it, he's gotten one bad toy (Kingdom), one mediocre toy (Rise of the Beasts Studio Series), and the rest have all been good to great.
Third party Magic Square kind of made an Arcee without a big backpack, but they cheated with an SD character design (MS-G01 Peach Girl) where they could use the giant head as a backpack. Though they still did a better job than I'd honestly expected.
I like the Kingdom Rhinox - except the weapons, but two ROTB Rhino Battilizers solved that. There is an Arcee that they can make that won't have a backpack, but it's not G1 - the version from the Terminator crossover comics and you can also get a Velocity out of her aa well. Dr Lockdown recently had a video of a 3P Octane that Hasbro should copy when it comes to making a Legacy version.
Hot take: I like the 2008 Octane/Tankor. I concede the death comb, but I like the toy itself. Going from a tanker truck to a 747 is almost as unbelievable as Broadside, and Transformers needs more propeller planes. Would Octane work better if he was retooled from Jazz?
I can only assume Sunstorm keeps getting yellow toys because people mixing him up with Nova storm, the yellow rainmaker, hell Threezero's promo images for Sunstorm show him with Acid storm (and a blue seeker wireframe) recreating the rainmaker picture on the wiki! thats my theory anyway, and then Cyberverse opted to make Nova Storm all purple, which just adds to the idea they're tryna make Sunstorm the yellow one (by the way, hi! I like Legacy Breakdown :D)
I love the kingdom tracks...and i accept any and all resentment coming my way, i will stand by my opinion, hes no where near the blight everyone claims he is
If Kingdom Track's legs transformed more intuitively, he would be more fun to play with. I agree that headmaster Arcee is the best Arcee out there, love that mold. I wish there was a good Mirage toy based on an F1 Race Car. I was not a fan of the transformation of the Earthrise/Siege versions being so different from the original and the fact that there is no space to fit a driver inside.
The legs are fine imo. The real problem with Tracks is that God awful stress-inducing windshield transformation. I also wish the WFC Mirage mold was better. I have no idea why they felt the need to change it from the G1 style. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My RTS Tracks is a loose mess, every single joint except the wrist swivel is loose and it led to me buying the Kingdom version which isn’t as bad as people say, but a 4/10 is still a 4/10.
Kingdom Tracks has a fix for his legs. It's a really small piece you gotta glue in place. Then Kiki his thighs and feet. With all that he could pretty much stand on 1 leg while kicking thr other leg upward and he wouldn't fall down. His hollow forearms has a nice fix too.
I wish they'd just let someone take the lady bots in their own direction kinda, so theyre not all just arcee repaints Im a victorion mark, let the chicks do their thang hasbros
Hasbro seems to still follow the idea that female figures don't sell. Though they are at least willing to release multiple female figures, they only seem willing to create one female design which gets reused to make every other female bike/car, plane, or whatever.
Arcee can have a great toy if you guys would stop hating on shellformers and partsformers. I have no problem removing a large chunk of the car & putting it off to the side while she's in robot mode. I have an imagination. I can pretend that large chunk of car disappeared into her somehow. Just like Optimus Prime's trailer vanished into thin air in the G1 cartoon. Unfortunately, most of you guys would rather complain about everything under the sun.
I don't know if you feel the same, but not only do I agree but I feel this way about the "frame system" legacy Menasor and the new Superion have; people seemingly just can't accept that they can't do integrated combining despite the frame resulting in a better proportional gestalt than combiner wars which had thin elbows, huge Popeye arms, and stubby bodies. It's like people can't accept partsforming, shellforming and the frame thing just come from pure practicality due to budget/basic physics
I would throw Ravage on this list too. I don't think I've ever had a Ravage I would call good. The closest was the Universe one that came with Hound but his head sculpt looked more like Laserbeak. I'll admit there are quite a few versions I haven't got my hands on so I could wrong but I think out of all the cassette bots he's suffered the most.
Not sure if you take video suggests from comments, but what about a “WHAT IF CHUG/GENERATIONS/MASTERPIECE DIDN’T EXIST?” video? In it, we pretend no character ever got a new figure beyond the FIRST figure from the original toyline/show they debuted in? Homages like Cybertron Downshift and unique universe iterations a la Animated Rodimus still count but not second iterations like Powermaster Optimus Prime. What would the best mainline figures of the franchise be without those staple toylines or direct character remakes as a whole? How would we view G1 OP and Megs if those were the ONLY toys of them?
Rhinox - How hard can it be to screw up a figure of him? Skids - Well, I personally don't think Legacy Skids is terrible. Arcee - I mean, her G1 design is never easy to do, but y'all got it right in 2014, but y'all screw it up six years later? Wow, okay, wow. Tracks - What a shame, I like Tracks, he's a good, cool character. Hot Shot - They were close with Legacy, and someone needs to make gap fillers for Hot Shot's legs, it's NOT impossible. To be fair, I do prefer his Cybertron design, but his Armada design does deserve justice. Wheelie - Of course, him. G1 version is an annoying child, and ROTF version is a creepy short guy. Knock Out - I owned the Beast Hunters version and I thought it was good, but I do prefer the aesthetics of the initial version, as it's just simple, and I do think Legacy Knock Out (which I do have) makes for a decent G1 version of the character. Sunstorm - He's just an amber-colored Star Scream, and they don't get him right? Octane - I can say this for an octillion times, but just give us the perfect Octane figure already! I mean, I don't consider the Titans Return figure to be that bad, but he's only okay. Breakdown - Combiner Wars version is eh, he's fine as a leg and car, but robot mode has strange hips. Legacy do fix that though. What about Blitzwing? Specifically G1 Blitzwing? Thrilling 30 Blitzwing didn't hold together in robot mode, Titans Return Blitzwing... Actually, that figure wasn't really that bad other than the fact that I don't care for the Headmaster gimmick (and wish mine held together), and Legacy Blitzwing has a terrible jet mode, and I rather they screw up the jet mode than the tank mode (you can't have a character named Blitzwing and have a bad jet mode or lack a jet mode even).
My major issue with MP Tracks was the horrible pinned ratchet joints that were toothed too far apart with too much play, if they had just gone with friction joints like with the cars before him I would have liked it better
I thought the Thrilling 30's Rhinox was great. It's just a shame that the way the side panels were designed led to one of them breaking off. But you are correct about the Kingdom figure. I've always disliked the design of G1 Arcee in large part because her design is meant specifically to evoke a pinup from a 1950's space opera; mostly bare skin, short sleeve turtleneck crop top, bloomers, arm warmers, heels, a backpack that sort of resembles a jet pack or oxygen tank, and a helmet that is designed to evoke Carrie Fisher's hairstyle as Princes Leia in A New Hope. And the masterpiece figure unfortunately emphasizes the cheesecake angle at the expense of the transformer angle. I will say however that the Masterpiece Arcee mold oddly works when used for Nightbird; she's supposed to be a ninja, and so her deco suggests that she's wearing a skin-tight body sleeve, meant for function rather than titillation.
And I want to have another chance of for another breakdown being reissued and have his vehicle mode be updated to have the new doors and windows sculpted in
Poor Tracks. One of my favorite characters. I have the G1 toy and the Alternator and enjoy them. I was thinking of getting his Kingdom toy until I saw Lazy Eyebrow's review, and this video doesn't make it sound any better. Didn't know the Masterpiece toy was kinda mid. Maybe it's a good thing I didn't get that, either. And yeah, one of the springs on one of my G1 Tracks' legs is going too. D: Legacy Breakdown just being a retool and not a proper Lamborghini irritated me to no end. It makes me sort of partially glad I didn't get Menasor. It is a shame, since he's a fun character.
Honestly G1 Elita could be here too like her legacy toy is....fine (if not a little mediocre) but its not a great fit tbh and its way too small she deserves a better attempt
TJ: I've got buttons down below, just hit buttons. Me:😂 I'm going to disagree about Arcee. The Thrilling 30 toy already was a good toy. Yes it has a big back pack but there is literally no other way to make that design work. The later one let you remove the shell because there is never going to be anywhere for it to go other that on her back or as a removable part. And I personally prefer the back pack. The Blurr retool is not a bad figure but it is a TERRIBLE Arcee if you actually want an Arcee who looks like she did in the cartoon that ain't it. I do appreciate making the robot mode of her Titan Master look like the Exsosuit because she was a Headmaster with Daniel in the cartoon and that's what the design was but Head mode is far too blocky and doesn't really look like Arcee. She needed an original mold to really make that toy work. I would accept it as a different take on the character. That's fine. I do like the more bulked out designs of Cyberverse and Earthspark Arcee who use more of the vehicle's bulk to make the robot. There's nothing wrong with that. My only issue with that toy is it being G1 Arcee, specifically the Headmaster version of G1 Arcee cause she did not look like that. It's a nice homage and can work as a different take on the character just don't call it G1. I do agree about Tracks however. Honestly it's the flight mode. Those toys usually have a good robot mode and a good vehicle mode but they can never get the flight mode correct. The Alternators version didn't even try to engineer it. The Generations toy made the wings TINY and you have to fold out the doors to make it work. And both the Kingdom and the Masterpiece version have super obvious robot mode arms visible. I know the original toy also did that but that was limitations of the engineering at the time. We shouldn't still be having problems just puttings wings on a car 40 years later. Transmetal Cheetor figured this out in Beast Wars... granted that one could also be better but at least they were the right size and didn't leave him with robot kibble hanging off.
Some other characters who never had good toys that aren't mentioned in the video... RID2001 Scourge. We have a few different modern takes on the G2 Laser Rod Optimus Prime and every single time they make one we never get a proper Scourge out of that mold. They always seem to go for a more pink shade rather than red and they keep giving him the upside down G2 Autobot insignia which is technically accurate to the cartoon except he was specifically called a Decepticon in America and the American toy had Decepticon insignias on it so that's the Scourge I'm more familiar with, where's that repaint? RID2015 never gave us good figures of Overload or Cyberwarp. Overload is only avalible as a Deployer which my brother recently just got that retooled into Transformers One Megatron for some reason. And Cyberwarp is only avalible as the combiner figure who because I'm color blind and both arms are the same mold on that figure with only the yellow and green stripes to tell them apart with I never have any idea which one she is! They both needed Warriors. Cyberverse never gave us a good Shadow Striker and I got excited when I heard she was going to be in Legacy only to be disapointed when she still isn't really the figure I wanted. If you told me that was a different take on the character it'd be fine but if you tell me it's suppose to actually be the Cyberverse character, no she isn't. She has the Cyberverse head and that's it, the body is entirely wrong. And she's a character I would actially buy TWICE if you gave me pre-accident and post-accident versions of with the appropriate retooling to make her design asymetrical. There's also several characters from Rescue Bots that just because of the nature of that toy line don't have good toys. Some of them have made the jump into a main line but still aren't hitting correctly mostly because so far they've all been retools rather than original molds and I don't think you can make Rescue Bots correctly without making original molds... except Whirl she could actually work as a Twitch retool, where's that toy Hasbro?
Ive actually wanted the Kingdom Tracks,but then i saw...whoever that red one is,idk why but i have a thng of wanting to get the cool repaint of a figure than the actual base figure Hell,i love Legacy Scourge more than Laser Optimus,cuz i finally have a nemesis ish prime
@confusedshovel1232 why does alot of my fav repaints of figures have to do with something about the road- the repaint of Crashbar Red Repaint of Prime Arcee Black and Red Repaint of skids Red Repaint of Tracks-
The "sagging" is what stopped me from getting Masterpiece Arcee. I still think she's one of the best Arcee toys, but what were they thinking with how low that chest is. It's awful.
Arcee just isn't an animation design that's possible to translate into a toy without violating the laws of physics. As a couple other people and you yourself have mentioned, the Animated Design did it best my inverting the bot to car orientation and using the legs for bulk. The SS86 is probably as good as we'll ever get. Tracks... another rough one, yeah. His Kingdom toy has some good aspects, but the legs are an absolute mess and way too complicated. I still don't get why they did them that way. At this point, I almost wonder if he doesn't need the "voyager budget for a deluxe size" thing to get it right. Wheelie's Market Six legends toy was actually one of his best outings, though I do have fondness for both the TR and core class ones. Octane desperately needs the "leader class budget for a voyager class toy" treatment the current triple changers are getting, though his TR toy is surprisingly solid. But it's absolutely one where you're going to just have to accept the truck is going to be comically undersized. Breakdown is definitely a weak link, both in CW and Legacy. He exists to be a limb and nothing more. (And the spoiler cost his legacy one a gun at that.)
Thunderblast should also be on this list, only one figure and you know Hasbro is never going to bring her back mostly for the fact that she is way too feminine(she literally has a pair of double ds undrr her chest armor) and no one gave her much characterization which is a shame, IDW took alot of characters that didn't have much in persona and made them awesome, it's a shame thunderblast never got the same treatment.
2:26 but what about alternators? Skids was in alternators, and he was good. In fact so good, some fans wanted him to be Ironhide. 3:05 animated toy was good. Even tfwiki says it's the first normal arcee we've got 9:45 not really, even alternators tracks was bad, it's the worst alternators mold ever
Off-Topic 6:20 "SHE'S A ROBOT! YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HER THAT WAY." Exactly what I've been saying about the human faces they constantly give all the charcters ever since the G1 cartoon. In the live-action movies, Optimus Prime looks totally ridiculous without his mouth guard. What the hell does he need a mouth for anyway? It's not like he's gonna be eating and chewing. *HE'S A ROBOT!* A lot of the G1 characters were ruined by the dorky human faces. G1 cartoon Bumblebee, Brawn, Gears & Trailbreaker look stupid as hell with human faces. Wheeljack is my favorite Autobot because of his awesome robot face on the G1 box. But the cartoon ruined it by giving him eyes & a nose.
With both Masterpiece and Kingdom Tracks, I feel they overengineered the legs, as every time I transform them I feel like I'm going to break them. They did them in such a way to require so specific an order of operations that it's ridiculous, and all in service of putting the wheels toward the back of the legs, which is an erroneous interpretation of the animation model. The Legacy Wildrider/Breakdown mold is a little annoying, but more so for Breakdown since they sacrificed a lot on his vehicle mode. I've basically taken it to being he scanned (or was made from) someone's cheap-ass conversion kit that was trying to be a Lambo but couldn't pull it off. As for the Combiner Wars version, I had the Unite Warriors set for a time so I know how that figure was, and it wasn't great (also Takara cheaped out by not giving him his unique fist/foot/weapon piece that was designed for the Sunstreaker retool). Also I'm assuming the discussion of worst CW figures is specific to the Deluxes, as undoubtedly the Optimus/Motormaster figure was the worst overall (not even mentioning that my UW Motormaster had one of the last cases of GPS. That note on TFWiki about if you were unlucky yours could split on the first day? THAT WAS ME. That's literally my edit.) Fortunately, though, we got a pretty good Motormaster with the Legacy version.
I feel like I'm the only one in the world who loves kingdom tracks. I custom painted mine, and it looks just like the mp which I have. also, really good, and the altinators tracks is really good to, I don't get the hate at all. Ps : I love the covet and tracks G1 design, so I might be a bit biest
You need other alternators to get why alternator tracks is bad. But long story short: back looks like exploded car. And even car mode doesn't have trunk. I also thought why everyone hates optimus, before I got hot rod, shockwave, prowl and decepticharge
NOT TRUE! I really like the Kingdom Rhinox.... I also really like Earthrise Arcee. Took five mins of paint to make her perfect. GAWD people luv to complain
Strange how you praise T30 Arcee except for the black, but gloss over SS86 as just a repaint of T30 when one, it fixes the colors and B, there is actually significant remolding that fixes the proportions in both robot and vehicle modes.
Because it's worse. They took out all of the engineering and gave her a giant backpack. The reason he mentioned the black is because it's not show accurate. He specifically said she's never had a good toy that was show accurate. -5:45. He also does mention 86 Arcee.
I'm just going to say this was too nitpicky of a video for me. There's a few fair points to be had but honestly most of the characters have had decent enough toys for myself to be happy with and some I really never cared if they got another.
I feel the datsuns have always gotten subpar figures and the on time they could have had outstanding figure they dont give it to them why the hell was Alternity gtr not prowl or bluestreak or the gtr-r being smokescreen and not star saber and bloody optimus prime
I agree to Arcee never was a good toy, and the quality of all transformers toys are very poor, and half arsed, but could you actually design, and engineer good versions, if so let’s see them
@ i’m just not really a big fan of jazz, but if they ever come out with an animated jazz, then that would work better as a knockout retool. But, the SS 86 jazz as knockout will work for now.
Speaking of Triple Changers, poor Broadside.
I like Broadside but even I can admit the jet mode looks like a brick with wings and I don't know that they can ever make that design have a good jet mode.
My favorite Arcee is the Animated version, she looks the most like her G1 counterpart while having a good transformation, using car parts to make her body, and having good sized feet that allow for posing. Arcee also has really good toys of the times she isn't a car, like Prime Arcee and Bumblebee movie Arcee.
Now for a character that NEVER got a good toy, I'd have to go to my old standby, Airachnid. Her Prime figure was SO bad I remember it made you question your top 5 worst transformers of all time back in the day, her tiny little legion figure was better, but nobody is ever going to be satisfied by THAT. Since then her only official new toy so far was a one step changer for Transformers One, but I'm not even sure they announced a proper warrior or deluxe figure for her (which would be a massive shame, I actually really liked her One design and would love to get a good toy of it)
You have no idea how much I want a Voyager Class TFOne Airachnid
Have you seen newage Arcee. They completely nailed all the engineering for the car vs feminine form. It is A+ beyond Hasbro or Takara.
Meanwhile, Shockwave always gets good ones. We don't count Shockblast. Different name, lol
I feel like Arcee doesn't really belong on this list, because the Generations Arcee has aged very well compared to modern attempts at the character. While the design philosophy of the toy (shellforming and backpack) may be controversial, it is still objectively a pretty solid and fun toy to play and mess with. Honestly, she doesn't even shellform as much as you think - at least it tries to incorporate the car in its thighs and chest. And if the black parts aren't to your taste, the Takara color scheme has got you covered.
Was also thinking this. You can even replace the odd hands with SS86’s since they are so similar.
*Broadside has entered the chat*
Funnily, the 'hoverboard' idea probably would have worked better if they'd used more of the car-like, incorporate the hood so it's at least shaped vaguely like a _board,_ maybe collapse the cockpit a bit. Would result in Arcee herself having less of a backpack (and a more accurate one).
Arcee has one good toy you neglected, Studio Series Bumblebee movie Arcee. It's s great figure that manages to have an actual transformation and avoid an egregiously large backpack. It was good posability as well. Definitely the best Arcee made as of now.
He's specifically talking about G1 arcee I think, but I agree with you
@schlieffenman957 the first toy he mentioned was a Beast Wars figure though.
@braydenpage1808 isn't beast wars part of g1 continuity though?
I honestly don’t think the SS86 one is bad, either.
@@Teh_Spirit yeah, but you wouldn't call a Beast Wars toy a G1 toy.
I'd be fine letting Arcee have a little more. Bit more cushion and give her that 40/50's pin up vibe. They again are stuck in a G1 mindset but with modern engineering, on a bot that never had a toy, just a bot and alt mode that was never meant to mesh.
"Ronald Mc Donald looking son of a bot" 😁
I wish we'd get Sunstorm and Bitstream as Siege tetrajets to complete the Welcoming Committee
The key to getting a good new Tracks figure would be to take the original toy’s transformation and simply make quality of life improvements. Who cares if he ends up with a wide chest because of it? I’d rather have a thicker Tracks than a spindly one who can’t hold together for crap but “looks like the cartoon more”.
They seem to be doing this with a lot of characters lately; the Battlechargers come to mind as another couple of figures that have 3/4 of their car modes folded up on their backs for the sake of a slightly smaller faux chest
I'm all for cartoon accuracy but not when the toys themselves have to sacrifice so much for it
@@franzise3605 Agreed. I'm frankly just at the point where once the 1984-1986 guys are finished (assuming that what Mark said about 2026 being the "end of the dream"), I want Hasbro to go back to Classics/Universe 2/early Generations-tier reinventions rather than slavish recreations of designs from a cartoon that couldn't even be accurate to itself.
I don't get why Knockout was made out of Jazz and not the Prowl/Bluestreak mould. I feel like the big bumper chest doesn't work for Knockout at all.
You say that yet that mold also got a bit of a bumper chest as well
easy, do a gender swap.
I don't particularly want another recent breakout character being reduced to yet another Datson remold (Barricade, what have they done to you? Gimme the wheels and windows above his shoulders!), but maybe most people would be cool with it.
With how TFP Knock Out's chest is shaped, I don't see Legacy Knock-Out as a bad interpretation. Now if only he was free from Jazz's clear plastic breakage issues...
@@TristenSarelvun Barricade's Datson remold wasn't bad at all.
9:12 I love kingdom tracks
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Legacy Wildrider came out first. Breakdown is his retool. That's part of the reason the spoiler is half-assed, since Wildrider didn't have one. If Breakdown had gotten his own mold, they might have been able to make it work properly.
That's the weird thing: They had to remold the part back there to add the pegs FOR the spoiler. They could've just molded it so that it's a more flush spoiler that also splits in half, and given him either a second gun or a more convincing blade attachment for the one he got.
He really didn't need to be his own mold tbh, they were just really lazy with the remolding. All they had to do was remold the shins, roof, windscreen and front section, and make the spoiler two separate pieces or integrade it into the new shins, and I don't think most people would really complain about it anywhere near as much
We probably need a new Powerglyde, it was ages since we last go one.
Accounting for rumours, Poweglide and Windcharger are the last two 84-85 Minibots without modern releases
I forgot how unpleasant Legacy Armada Hot Shot's legs are to handle until you brought him up and I messed with him after like a year. They feel legitimately incomplete.
All they had to do was slightly update his original toy. But no.
Megatron: Astrotrain, find anything?
Astrotrain: No, sir!
Megatron: Octane, find anything?
Octane: I DIDN'T FIND SCRAP!!!
Why not have Arcee laying on her back, and shooting the production photos from a ceiling view?
Cuz some shots are kinda impossible even while laying down
Plus the shadows,all that
Breakdown reminds me that we probably won't get a good figure of his appearance in Earthspark, and that makes me sad because that design is SO good.
I feel like whenever they try to fix Armada Hot Shot - or most characters they re-do really - they misconstrue what fixing that design really means.
They can - and most often should - just redo the original transformation with the hindsight of the original design's flaws. Legacy Armada Hot Shot would've been so much better if they had just accepted that Hot Shot's visual style innately used the forearm windshields to accentuate that sports-jock personality. Just make it so they can be repositioned rather than just shoving them onto the back of the legs and hoping no one will notice.
Not all kibble needs to "disappear". Let characters have visual quirks.
As for Sunstorm: I think it's because they were trying to make him into the yellow Rainmaker before they decided to reinvent the yellow one into Nova Storm
Yes, I like the modern Breakdown / Wildrider toy. The cape is cool.
@TJOmega you're being unfair to Rhinox toys. Both of his original Beast Wars toys are a lot of fun and look cool. The original is a samurai with a spinning mace saw. The Transmetal has three legitimate modes and looks badass. The Thrilling 30 had weak legs, but he looked cool and transformed well. Rise of the Beasts mainline Rhinox is one of the most underrated figures of all time. He just needed a little more color. So when you really think about it, he's gotten one bad toy (Kingdom), one mediocre toy (Rise of the Beasts Studio Series), and the rest have all been good to great.
The best arcee is the legends one because they got rid of the black paint on here . I got both .
this is definitely a case of personal taste because i like most of the new toys that you mentioned.
Third party Magic Square kind of made an Arcee without a big backpack, but they cheated with an SD character design (MS-G01 Peach Girl) where they could use the giant head as a backpack. Though they still did a better job than I'd honestly expected.
I like the kingdom tracks and legacy breakdown tracks more than breakdown
I like the Kingdom Rhinox - except the weapons, but two ROTB Rhino Battilizers solved that.
There is an Arcee that they can make that won't have a backpack, but it's not G1 - the version from the Terminator crossover comics and you can also get a Velocity out of her aa well.
Dr Lockdown recently had a video of a 3P Octane that Hasbro should copy when it comes to making a Legacy version.
Hot take: I like the 2008 Octane/Tankor. I concede the death comb, but I like the toy itself. Going from a tanker truck to a 747 is almost as unbelievable as Broadside, and Transformers needs more propeller planes.
Would Octane work better if he was retooled from Jazz?
Are we gonna get the 10 best figures of 2024 in the near future?
Since it's actually done, hopefully-
I can only assume Sunstorm keeps getting yellow toys because people mixing him up with Nova storm, the yellow rainmaker, hell Threezero's promo images for Sunstorm show him with Acid storm (and a blue seeker wireframe) recreating the rainmaker picture on the wiki!
thats my theory anyway, and then Cyberverse opted to make Nova Storm all purple, which just adds to the idea they're tryna make Sunstorm the yellow one
(by the way, hi! I like Legacy Breakdown :D)
I love the kingdom tracks...and i accept any and all resentment coming my way, i will stand by my opinion, hes no where near the blight everyone claims he is
Kingdom tracks is a fantastic figure. Probably the best update he couldve gotten, not to mention his masterpiece is fantastic. 9:14
If Kingdom Track's legs transformed more intuitively, he would be more fun to play with. I agree that headmaster Arcee is the best Arcee out there, love that mold. I wish there was a good Mirage toy based on an F1 Race Car. I was not a fan of the transformation of the Earthrise/Siege versions being so different from the original and the fact that there is no space to fit a driver inside.
The legs are fine imo. The real problem with Tracks is that God awful stress-inducing windshield transformation. I also wish the WFC Mirage mold was better. I have no idea why they felt the need to change it from the G1 style. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'm gonna be honest... Knockout is really the only character here that I'd agree on
I’m gonna disagree with you about Sunstorm. His Animated toy is the right colors. I just got one recently. :3
My fav Arcee is actually the cyber verse one you didn’t mention. I had thrilling 30 but I think I sold her.
19:50 At least HasSun has a hot orange fire wing deco. That part alone should be an inspiration for an Earthrise deco sheet. (as with MP Acid Storm)
My RTS Tracks is a loose mess, every single joint except the wrist swivel is loose and it led to me buying the Kingdom version which isn’t as bad as people say, but a 4/10 is still a 4/10.
20:00 lmao Ronald McDonald got me
for april 1st, which everyone round here will forget about, maybe grab an orange polo shirt for a gripe segment?
Kingdom Tracks has a fix for his legs. It's a really small piece you gotta glue in place. Then Kiki his thighs and feet. With all that he could pretty much stand on 1 leg while kicking thr other leg upward and he wouldn't fall down. His hollow forearms has a nice fix too.
The Generations Sun Storm that came out last year was really good!
Dang, I never knew some characters had some bad figures.
I wish they'd just let someone take the lady bots in their own direction kinda, so theyre not all just arcee repaints
Im a victorion mark, let the chicks do their thang hasbros
Agreed. The Combiner Wars fembots were almost an insult
Hasbro seems to still follow the idea that female figures don't sell. Though they are at least willing to release multiple female figures, they only seem willing to create one female design which gets reused to make every other female bike/car, plane, or whatever.
Arcee can have a great toy if you guys would stop hating on shellformers and partsformers. I have no problem removing a large chunk of the car & putting it off to the side while she's in robot mode. I have an imagination. I can pretend that large chunk of car disappeared into her somehow. Just like Optimus Prime's trailer vanished into thin air in the G1 cartoon. Unfortunately, most of you guys would rather complain about everything under the sun.
I don't know if you feel the same, but not only do I agree but I feel this way about the "frame system" legacy Menasor and the new Superion have; people seemingly just can't accept that they can't do integrated combining despite the frame resulting in a better proportional gestalt than combiner wars which had thin elbows, huge Popeye arms, and stubby bodies. It's like people can't accept partsforming, shellforming and the frame thing just come from pure practicality due to budget/basic physics
Kingdom Tracks would be tolerable, but for the tab issue in the shins. It has some interesting design choices. If only he could stand.
I knew Hotshot would be on here even before beginning the video
I would throw Ravage on this list too. I don't think I've ever had a Ravage I would call good. The closest was the Universe one that came with Hound but his head sculpt looked more like Laserbeak. I'll admit there are quite a few versions I haven't got my hands on so I could wrong but I think out of all the cassette bots he's suffered the most.
Not sure if you take video suggests from comments, but what about a “WHAT IF CHUG/GENERATIONS/MASTERPIECE DIDN’T EXIST?” video? In it, we pretend no character ever got a new figure beyond the FIRST figure from the original toyline/show they debuted in? Homages like Cybertron Downshift and unique universe iterations a la Animated Rodimus still count but not second iterations like Powermaster Optimus Prime. What would the best mainline figures of the franchise be without those staple toylines or direct character remakes as a whole? How would we view G1 OP and Megs if those were the ONLY toys of them?
Rhinox - How hard can it be to screw up a figure of him?
Skids - Well, I personally don't think Legacy Skids is terrible.
Arcee - I mean, her G1 design is never easy to do, but y'all got it right in 2014, but y'all screw it up six years later? Wow, okay, wow.
Tracks - What a shame, I like Tracks, he's a good, cool character.
Hot Shot - They were close with Legacy, and someone needs to make gap fillers for Hot Shot's legs, it's NOT impossible. To be fair, I do prefer his Cybertron design, but his Armada design does deserve justice.
Wheelie - Of course, him. G1 version is an annoying child, and ROTF version is a creepy short guy.
Knock Out - I owned the Beast Hunters version and I thought it was good, but I do prefer the aesthetics of the initial version, as it's just simple, and I do think Legacy Knock Out (which I do have) makes for a decent G1 version of the character.
Sunstorm - He's just an amber-colored Star Scream, and they don't get him right?
Octane - I can say this for an octillion times, but just give us the perfect Octane figure already! I mean, I don't consider the Titans Return figure to be that bad, but he's only okay.
Breakdown - Combiner Wars version is eh, he's fine as a leg and car, but robot mode has strange hips. Legacy do fix that though.
What about Blitzwing? Specifically G1 Blitzwing? Thrilling 30 Blitzwing didn't hold together in robot mode, Titans Return Blitzwing... Actually, that figure wasn't really that bad other than the fact that I don't care for the Headmaster gimmick (and wish mine held together), and Legacy Blitzwing has a terrible jet mode, and I rather they screw up the jet mode than the tank mode (you can't have a character named Blitzwing and have a bad jet mode or lack a jet mode even).
My major issue with MP Tracks was the horrible pinned ratchet joints that were toothed too far apart with too much play, if they had just gone with friction joints like with the cars before him I would have liked it better
I thought the Thrilling 30's Rhinox was great. It's just a shame that the way the side panels were designed led to one of them breaking off. But you are correct about the Kingdom figure.
I've always disliked the design of G1 Arcee in large part because her design is meant specifically to evoke a pinup from a 1950's space opera; mostly bare skin, short sleeve turtleneck crop top, bloomers, arm warmers, heels, a backpack that sort of resembles a jet pack or oxygen tank, and a helmet that is designed to evoke Carrie Fisher's hairstyle as Princes Leia in A New Hope. And the masterpiece figure unfortunately emphasizes the cheesecake angle at the expense of the transformer angle. I will say however that the Masterpiece Arcee mold oddly works when used for Nightbird; she's supposed to be a ninja, and so her deco suggests that she's wearing a skin-tight body sleeve, meant for function rather than titillation.
And I want to have another chance of for another breakdown being reissued and have his vehicle mode be updated to have the new doors and windows sculpted in
Poor Tracks. One of my favorite characters. I have the G1 toy and the Alternator and enjoy them. I was thinking of getting his Kingdom toy until I saw Lazy Eyebrow's review, and this video doesn't make it sound any better.
Didn't know the Masterpiece toy was kinda mid. Maybe it's a good thing I didn't get that, either.
And yeah, one of the springs on one of my G1 Tracks' legs is going too. D:
Legacy Breakdown just being a retool and not a proper Lamborghini irritated me to no end. It makes me sort of partially glad I didn't get Menasor. It is a shame, since he's a fun character.
Honestly G1 Elita could be here too like her legacy toy is....fine (if not a little mediocre) but its not a great fit tbh and its way too small she deserves a better attempt
Airachnid gets no love.
To be fair that original T30 Arcee is a good toy. The SS version is a side-grade and also good, but yeah, her other toys all suck.
TJ: I've got buttons down below, just hit buttons.
Me:😂
I'm going to disagree about Arcee. The Thrilling 30 toy already was a good toy. Yes it has a big back pack but there is literally no other way to make that design work.
The later one let you remove the shell because there is never going to be anywhere for it to go other that on her back or as a removable part. And I personally prefer the back pack.
The Blurr retool is not a bad figure but it is a TERRIBLE Arcee if you actually want an Arcee who looks like she did in the cartoon that ain't it. I do appreciate making the robot mode of her Titan Master look like the Exsosuit because she was a Headmaster with Daniel in the cartoon and that's what the design was but Head mode is far too blocky and doesn't really look like Arcee. She needed an original mold to really make that toy work. I would accept it as a different take on the character. That's fine. I do like the more bulked out designs of Cyberverse and Earthspark Arcee who use more of the vehicle's bulk to make the robot. There's nothing wrong with that. My only issue with that toy is it being G1 Arcee, specifically the Headmaster version of G1 Arcee cause she did not look like that. It's a nice homage and can work as a different take on the character just don't call it G1.
I do agree about Tracks however. Honestly it's the flight mode. Those toys usually have a good robot mode and a good vehicle mode but they can never get the flight mode correct.
The Alternators version didn't even try to engineer it. The Generations toy made the wings TINY and you have to fold out the doors to make it work. And both the Kingdom and the Masterpiece version have super obvious robot mode arms visible. I know the original toy also did that but that was limitations of the engineering at the time. We shouldn't still be having problems just puttings wings on a car 40 years later. Transmetal Cheetor figured this out in Beast Wars... granted that one could also be better but at least they were the right size and didn't leave him with robot kibble hanging off.
Some other characters who never had good toys that aren't mentioned in the video...
RID2001 Scourge. We have a few different modern takes on the G2 Laser Rod Optimus Prime and every single time they make one we never get a proper Scourge out of that mold. They always seem to go for a more pink shade rather than red and they keep giving him the upside down G2 Autobot insignia which is technically accurate to the cartoon except he was specifically called a Decepticon in America and the American toy had Decepticon insignias on it so that's the Scourge I'm more familiar with, where's that repaint?
RID2015 never gave us good figures of Overload or Cyberwarp. Overload is only avalible as a Deployer which my brother recently just got that retooled into Transformers One Megatron for some reason. And Cyberwarp is only avalible as the combiner figure who because I'm color blind and both arms are the same mold on that figure with only the yellow and green stripes to tell them apart with I never have any idea which one she is! They both needed Warriors.
Cyberverse never gave us a good Shadow Striker and I got excited when I heard she was going to be in Legacy only to be disapointed when she still isn't really the figure I wanted. If you told me that was a different take on the character it'd be fine but if you tell me it's suppose to actually be the Cyberverse character, no she isn't. She has the Cyberverse head and that's it, the body is entirely wrong. And she's a character I would actially buy TWICE if you gave me pre-accident and post-accident versions of with the appropriate retooling to make her design asymetrical.
There's also several characters from Rescue Bots that just because of the nature of that toy line don't have good toys. Some of them have made the jump into a main line but still aren't hitting correctly mostly because so far they've all been retools rather than original molds and I don't think you can make Rescue Bots correctly without making original molds... except Whirl she could actually work as a Twitch retool, where's that toy Hasbro?
Literally in my opinion the only time Arcee Evers had good figures is 3rd party and the Models and the 2 Prime deluxes
Ive actually wanted the Kingdom Tracks,but then i saw...whoever that red one is,idk why but i have a thng of wanting to get the cool repaint of a figure than the actual base figure
Hell,i love Legacy Scourge more than Laser Optimus,cuz i finally have a nemesis ish prime
the red repaint of kingdom tracks is roadrage
@confusedshovel1232 why does alot of my fav repaints of figures have to do with something about the road- the repaint of Crashbar
Red Repaint of Prime Arcee
Black and Red Repaint of skids
Red Repaint of Tracks-
coincidence? I THINK NOT (also the black and red skids is burnout)
@@confusedshovel1232 yea all I have is Burnout,really wanted Road Rocket,but alas I ended up with Scourge, Burnout and Road Hauler
I will never touch the CSAM website blue sky
The "sagging" is what stopped me from getting Masterpiece Arcee. I still think she's one of the best Arcee toys, but what were they thinking with how low that chest is. It's awful.
Arcee just isn't an animation design that's possible to translate into a toy without violating the laws of physics. As a couple other people and you yourself have mentioned, the Animated Design did it best my inverting the bot to car orientation and using the legs for bulk. The SS86 is probably as good as we'll ever get.
Tracks... another rough one, yeah. His Kingdom toy has some good aspects, but the legs are an absolute mess and way too complicated. I still don't get why they did them that way. At this point, I almost wonder if he doesn't need the "voyager budget for a deluxe size" thing to get it right.
Wheelie's Market Six legends toy was actually one of his best outings, though I do have fondness for both the TR and core class ones.
Octane desperately needs the "leader class budget for a voyager class toy" treatment the current triple changers are getting, though his TR toy is surprisingly solid. But it's absolutely one where you're going to just have to accept the truck is going to be comically undersized.
Breakdown is definitely a weak link, both in CW and Legacy. He exists to be a limb and nothing more. (And the spoiler cost his legacy one a gun at that.)
Time for talking over, time to push buttons
I push da buttons!
Thunderblast should also be on this list, only one figure and you know Hasbro is never going to bring her back mostly for the fact that she is way too feminine(she literally has a pair of double ds undrr her chest armor) and no one gave her much characterization which is a shame, IDW took alot of characters that didn't have much in persona and made them awesome, it's a shame thunderblast never got the same treatment.
2:26 but what about alternators? Skids was in alternators, and he was good. In fact so good, some fans wanted him to be Ironhide.
3:05 animated toy was good. Even tfwiki says it's the first normal arcee we've got
9:45 not really, even alternators tracks was bad, it's the worst alternators mold ever
Am I the only one that likes the kingdom Rhinox mold…?
There are just so many better Rhinox figures: the original, the Transmetal, Rise of the Beasts mainline, and Thrilling 30 are all better Transformers.
I love Kingdom Tracks look...I just hate the leg transformation 😢
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6:20 "SHE'S A ROBOT! YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE HER THAT WAY."
Exactly what I've been saying about the human faces they constantly give all the charcters ever since the G1 cartoon. In the live-action movies, Optimus Prime looks totally ridiculous without his mouth guard. What the hell does he need a mouth for anyway? It's not like he's gonna be eating and chewing. *HE'S A ROBOT!* A lot of the G1 characters were ruined by the dorky human faces. G1 cartoon Bumblebee, Brawn, Gears & Trailbreaker look stupid as hell with human faces. Wheeljack is my favorite Autobot because of his awesome robot face on the G1 box. But the cartoon ruined it by giving him eyes & a nose.
Animated Arcee is awesome
With both Masterpiece and Kingdom Tracks, I feel they overengineered the legs, as every time I transform them I feel like I'm going to break them. They did them in such a way to require so specific an order of operations that it's ridiculous, and all in service of putting the wheels toward the back of the legs, which is an erroneous interpretation of the animation model.
The Legacy Wildrider/Breakdown mold is a little annoying, but more so for Breakdown since they sacrificed a lot on his vehicle mode. I've basically taken it to being he scanned (or was made from) someone's cheap-ass conversion kit that was trying to be a Lambo but couldn't pull it off. As for the Combiner Wars version, I had the Unite Warriors set for a time so I know how that figure was, and it wasn't great (also Takara cheaped out by not giving him his unique fist/foot/weapon piece that was designed for the Sunstreaker retool).
Also I'm assuming the discussion of worst CW figures is specific to the Deluxes, as undoubtedly the Optimus/Motormaster figure was the worst overall (not even mentioning that my UW Motormaster had one of the last cases of GPS. That note on TFWiki about if you were unlucky yours could split on the first day? THAT WAS ME. That's literally my edit.) Fortunately, though, we got a pretty good Motormaster with the Legacy version.
I feel like I'm the only one in the world who loves kingdom tracks. I custom painted mine, and it looks just like the mp which I have. also, really good, and the altinators tracks is really good to, I don't get the hate at all.
Ps : I love the covet and tracks G1 design, so I might be a bit biest
You need other alternators to get why alternator tracks is bad. But long story short: back looks like exploded car. And even car mode doesn't have trunk. I also thought why everyone hates optimus, before I got hot rod, shockwave, prowl and decepticharge
I got the WFC Trilogy Tracks, and one of his wheels broke off. Sad :(
I like the Kingdom Tracks but yes, the legs specially suck.
I thought Tracks alternator was pretty great
Poor Tracks. Great G1 figure, leg springs aside..everything since, notsomuch.
What do you mean G1 Arcee hasn't gotten a good figure?! Studio Series 86 and Masterpiece were both good!
Does anyone like Legacy Breakdown? No, because no one could ever find it!
My complaint about kingdom tracks is the legs not tabbing in,the wings are too short and unpainted,and the backpack transformation is lazy and bad.
I like kingdom rhinox. He's still way better than thrilling 30.
Im here to defend MP Tracks and still wanna get the repaints. He's pretty decent for what he does.
Agreed. And infinitely better than the Kingdom attempt.
True plus the car mode on mp tracks is beautiful
BM Thrust and Jetstorm
Pressing all the buttons to help the channel 👈👈👈👈👈
NOT TRUE! I really like the Kingdom Rhinox.... I also really like Earthrise Arcee. Took five mins of paint to make her perfect. GAWD people luv to complain
What about animated and prime arcee's
9:13 I have
As for the others, this is why tf collectors go with 3rd parties, some of them ditching hasbro entirely
Strange how you praise T30 Arcee except for the black, but gloss over SS86 as just a repaint of T30 when one, it fixes the colors and B, there is actually significant remolding that fixes the proportions in both robot and vehicle modes.
Because it's worse. They took out all of the engineering and gave her a giant backpack. The reason he mentioned the black is because it's not show accurate. He specifically said she's never had a good toy that was show accurate. -5:45. He also does mention 86 Arcee.
I do not like the kingdom tracks is a hot mess
I have studio series 86 arcee now and I have yet to transform her
What is wrong with built to rule hot shots face?
I'm just going to say this was too nitpicky of a video for me. There's a few fair points to be had but honestly most of the characters have had decent enough toys for myself to be happy with and some I really never cared if they got another.
FOR THE ALGORITHM!
I know I'm in the minority but I actually like kingdom and rts tracks figures
I feel the datsuns have always gotten subpar figures and the on time they could have had outstanding figure they dont give it to them why the hell was
Alternity gtr not prowl or bluestreak or the gtr-r being smokescreen and not star saber and bloody optimus prime
I agree to Arcee never was a good toy, and the quality of all transformers toys are very poor, and half arsed, but could you actually design, and engineer good versions, if so let’s see them
I must respectfully disagree. I enjoyed both the Generations and Animated Arcee.
Animated isn't G1 Arcee. And the T30 Arcee is inaccurate because of the black. (5:45)
Jazz should not be used for wheelie and knockout ever.
if they went for the concept art where he was a porsche, i’d have liked knockout a lot more
Wheelie works as a fun little repaint imo. And Legacy Knockout is my favorite version of that mold. Say what you want, I think it works great.
@ i’m just not really a big fan of jazz, but if they ever come out with an animated jazz, then that would work better as a knockout retool. But, the SS 86 jazz as knockout will work for now.
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