I had a friend in high school who said he would combine the Optimus tractor with the Magnus trailer to create his own sort of "Super Optimus Prime" when he was a little kid. Didn't know that he was actually using it for the original intent.
I wanna get the Tenseg Base Optimus and combine him with my Kingdom Magnus to do this... ...or I WOULD if not for the fact that Tenseg Base Optimus is about twice the price of a Voyager for just a Voyager figure and a base.
In terms of writing, I think season 3’s take on Rodimus was the bigger issue. It sent the character backwards and frequently the viewers mind was forced to compare and long for Optimus with Rodimus, rather than be excited for his new adventures and further growth. I like the idea of Rodimus and like the movie, but post movie was Rodimus was an ugly attempt to walk him back.
I spoke with one of the writers at TF con, and he straight out said they didn't like Rodimus because they didn't agree with replacing Optimus so they basically didn't give a crap about him.
@@izzy3166 If they had been thinking about it, espcially since they already knew they were going to bring prime back, they could have written some amazing stories withe Rodimus trying to learn to be a leader without a true mentor, and then when they brought Optimus Prime back, they could have set up for Prime to truely mentor Hot Rod to become a great leader
@@knightwolfpro4494plus, there is scripts for the movie from 1983, and optimus still dies there. So, writers knew he gonna die, and anyways made him so good, and THEN told hasbro that killing him is a bad idea? They are weird, can't even stick to the plan.
@@d-monfromthetip3073Yep, never made much sense to have Rodimus fight Galvatron. My brothers and I always used Optimus or Ultra Magnus. I still remember going to Kmart and being surprised how small Rodimus was. Not to mention the quality just didn't seem that good to me. But just to be clear, I liked Rodimus as an idea. I wish he'd been treated better, both by the show and toy. Fortunately he got some good stuff much later on.
I'm 50 years old, and I'm glad everything happened the way it happened, and not this absurd erasure of Ultra Magnus. I love Ultra Magnus. I'm not saying you don't, but you're using a lot of knowledge from today to apply to how things were done in toys at the time. The first true redo of a character in Hasbro was Snake Eyes v2, and while it became a thing of course over the next years, it was a gradual increase - Hawk and Roadblock in 86, only Gung-Ho in 87 and Rock n Roll Storm Shadow and Destro in 88. Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime didn't occur until 86 and Goldbug in 87. The times were changing as we went as they always do. All this to say, I don't think Hasbro ever considered re-releasing Optimus Prime as Powered Convoy, because it's not really how things were being done - yet.
The death of Optimus might have been a mistake, but it gave an identity to the franchise that Hasbro keeps trying to walk back. Rodimus, Dai Atlas, Star Saber, Primal, Leo Convoy. A rotating leader taking the reins after the previous one passes away. Yet way too many shows are now afraid of doing that. It was specially noticeable in Transformers Prime, when Smokescreen´s character arc went to hell, and in Armada with Hot Shot.
Calling the movie a misstep is a bold statement considering most of current Transformers lore was introduced in the movie and season 3. Transformers as a franchise would be literally unrecognisable without it
And if BW hadn't been successful, the brand wouldn't have survived the mid 90s. I think it's a bit unfair to place all of Transformers woes in the late 80s and early 90s at the feet of the movie, but it's also not unwarranted. Many factors and I'll likely talk about that at a later date when I have the time.
@@HouseholdWheel Was watching another transformer vid where they were saying the script was in DEVELOPMENT that does not mean it was submitted. Some scripts are worked on for decades.
Lore does not make a subject interesting, it's a tool with which the characters can work The failure of the movie was the reset of characters, not the addition of lore
Given the benefit of hindsight, I view the movie and the loss of Optimus Prime as a bad move in the short term, but one that has ended up strengthening the brand in the much longer-term. The 1986 animated film has become default viewing for old and new fans thanks to home& online video, and the death of Optimus (among several others) gives its lore a bit more emotional weight and gravitas then several other 1980s toy-based properties. To give an example, for better or worse, Optimus dying in a heroic sacrifice (however temporarily) has become a common theme across multiple incarnations of Transformers storytelling, to the point of becoming a meme. That probably would not be if Optimus didn't die in the '86 movie, or came back at the end of it. ( "Doc says Duke is gonna be OK!" )
I was always bummed out that Optimus had to "die" to fulfill the sacrifice, while Megatron got a new coat of paint and came back stronger. They could have gone with Ultra Magnus or even Powermaster Prime/Ginrai if he was in concept back then.
He is also featured prominently on the movie posters. Maybe misdirection to keep the storyline a surprise or maybe a result of early scripts where Optimus becomes his armored-up version.
Never been a fan of Blur, but I think I'll never get this out of my had now and I'm still undecided whether it makes it better or worse.😅 I kind of instantly made the connection to Christmas Vacation's Uncle Eddie…
what im trying to figure out is why Hasbro left Powered Buggy out of the Ultra Magnus release. cost maybe? if so, why not just split him off the mold and release him in the Minibot range with Swerve and Wheelie?
little children perhaps but i was a teen then and did not cry over cartoon antics. i was happy characters died. it was my main criticism of G.I. Joe, no matter what happens during the show it always reset back to zero by the end. there were no consequences, noting ever mattered. at least the movie had consequences. at least for a time.
@@ValinLadi1994 the movie covered that with the transfer of the Matrix. but with the outcry from the customer base they have been reluctant to get rid of prime again in America. Japan has had many leaders but i guess we weren't mature enough to handle that change. As for Rodimus, at the time i didn't understand why his form changed automatically but optimus didn't. but teen me didn't know about marketing.
@ I have to agree that we don’t handle the change here at all when we should. But I honestly would like to see them move forward as it would be good to see how they could move on with new leadership. I think most of us don’t think about the marketing aspect of things and how it affects businesses. But I definitely think now is time to see a little change since they tend to make small changes here and there. I don’t know in regards to the changes to his structure but I can only imagine it’s due to his change from a soldier to a prime that it would warrant the change to show how he has grown as a leader. I also don’t understand the reason why Optimus wouldn’t make a change as it would be a thought that this would be a change that would be needed to show him grow from grunt worker to prime as well. I don’t know if when I was a teen then I really understood but I just recall that if Optimus is gone that Rodimus would be an amazing leader change.
is shockwave self aware and escaped the series and learned the lore and started making videos about the series he came from (you really sound like shockwave)
I like the idea of the “old guard” of Autobots. Prime, Magnus, Kup, Ironhide, etc. were the seasoned warriors who have been fighting for eons. It’s a disservice to them that the movies and comics focus on the younger bots like Bumblebee.
I always felt like Ultra Magnus was a "true best friend" to Optimus Prime, closer to a brother, a war hero, and way more respected than just an "uncle" figure. I think the setup was there for him to take the lead role and probably would have been better received than Hot Rod. To me personally, his role as "the new Prime" felt like giving the leadership to a less mature Bumblebee. I know I'm overthinking it, but the only thing Hot Rod had going for him was he was probably the best toy mold of the new non-Diaclone batch.
I'm definitely in the minority. When it comes to enjoying the season 3 cast. I don't think that they ruin Transformers, because Transformers were still going strong all the way up until 88. And I don't think the movie ruined it. Otherwise, people would have stopped buying transformers after the movie came out. One of the things I enjoyed about transformers is that it's a war and that characters actually do end up passing away so that was what made it more realistic for me.
The movie and Season 3 were garbage(Most of their toys even sucked.). They definitely lowered fans interest in transformers. The movie cast has far less fans than the original cast. Hence they don't get brought back remotely as often. No one I knew gave a crap about Transformers post movie. Your assessment is completely off base given how much backlash the movie gave Hasbro. Sure transformers never stopped making toys, but their popularity was not what it was till Beast Wars came out. To claim otherwise is nonsense. (Irony that for all whining people do, the bayfilms made Transformers more popular than their trash 86 film did.) I despise anyone who cites death makes it realistic. Transformers isn't remotely realistic in so many ways, and this idea realism equals good has no basis in terms of writing. This such a dumb argument given how few deaths happened(Alpha Trion and handful of unnamed seekers and monsters were the only body count prior to the film), and characters survived sooo much worse than what happened in the 1986 film. (In triple takeover Blitzwing smashes several autobots flat and makes a throne out of their bodies. They all live.) Invoking the Zack Znyder school of writing, only death makes for a serious story!(eye rolls). Only chumps think this way as there's far more compelling things to do with characters besides kill them. Characters having to live with their failures and betrayals is far more interesting than simply removing characters via death. Given they turn the plot armor right back on for everyone soon as opening deaths are done, it just makes them cowards for it. Ultra Magnus is brought back to life, because reasons, but Optimus can't because also reasons. Transformers and GI Joe both have new characters pop up all time, which to me is far more realistic as new people show up at your job all time and leave over time without anyone dying. It makes more sense than same 5 people handling every situation and never getting seriously injured. New characters still continued to pop up and disappear without any massive die offs, so this idea the franchise needed this to function is bogus. Death should be used sparingly in this style of story, and it should really matter when it happens. Just cruelly mow down characters the way the 1986 film did just a massive F you to fans. Especially when your fans are mostly below the age of 10. it seems pointlessly mean spirited. It's a kids show not freaking game of thrones.
All records from the 80s say that the brand fell off a cliff in 1987 as part of a Hasbro wide decline in toy sales. 1986 was a rough year, so stores ordered less for 1987. I do not think the movie is the sole reason for this, but that's a video for a later date. That said, I enjoy Season 3 quite a lot. Season 1 has a lot of important episodes, but it can be a bit dry. Season 2 is a series of high highs and low lows. Season 3 has a complete tonal change, but it's a lot more consistent than 2 and I think has more entertainment value than 1. It's also got a lot of great lore episodes. Season 2 has the best episodes of G1 by far, but they're few and far between. Season 3 mid is higher than Season 2 mid IMO.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnderseason 3 and the movie was the best ... Rodimius was way better than old ass prime and glad they killed him off...seasi3 had way better villains and storylines..
With the family archetypes I think Rodimus comes off like a Stepfather that is unsure of his place. Knowing he can’t fill the role of father when compared to Optimus. It also amazed me in season 3 whenever Rodimus was reverted to Hot Rod he seemed to be written better, “Dark Awakening” as an example.
I know I cried when I was a child watching this movie, killing Optimus and many other famous transformers was a nail in the coffin for original Transformers cartoon.
I was more talking about the 1988/1989/1990 assortments of Transformers rather than 1986/1987, but I don't get the impression that MASK was ever a big player. Yeah, kids went from fad to fad, still do, but I was under the impression the 80s timeline was; MotU 82 > Transformers 84 > Ghostbusters 86 > TMNT 88, with GI Joe being a juggernaut and constant throughout the decade, while MASK, DinoRiders and Thundercats were successful enough to last the normal 3 year lifespan. The 80s equivalent to Biker Mice from Mars in a way.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder I guess it depends on your country and what your friends were into. Mask was pretty big in the UK, all my friends went to them, then it was turtles, then WWF figures. I can see Ghostbusters, I had those toys as well, but it was only the 4 figures, with the 4 small accompanying ghosts, and Marshmallow man in the first batch. So there wasn't really muh to collect initially.
I remember MASK toys and the saturday morning cartoon, but i don't feel like it was ever a big thing in the USA. Not on par with Transformers or G.I.Joe or TMNT, anyway.
I just thought a lot of the OG Transformers the Movie toys seemed cheaper looking for some reason, especially when they switched the rubber tires and die cast metal parts with plastic. Things would've been better if in the movie, battle damaged Prime combined with Magnus and became Ultra Prime! The Rodimus Prime toy also was dwarfed by Galvatron and Hot Rod looked cooler. Hasbro should have kept the mini figures too and made one of them Spike. Imagine the price people would've paid today for a G1 mini SPIKE!
@@Face761 the initial releases of the 1986 toys did have diecast and rubber, but later production runs had it cut for cost as Hasbro's lines all experienced decline in 1986.
They should have never had Magnus but instead had prime in critical condition after the final battle handing over the matrix just in case(maybe delaying the death of one of the older characters). In the climax have prime arrive in a shuttle arrive with a new trailer and once the matrix was reinstalled have the trailer transform into the power armor upgrade. Prime lives with a new toy to sell.
@@goldenltd1970 well it's information I found out long after I produced this video, but the film is still to blame, but not in some super direct "they killed prime" way, more that the three films, along with the planned fourth for Jem cancelled in the fallout, arguably were a mistake.
The Movie is a GEM of the Era!! Call me a fool if you like, I Loved all of it. But, I will confess, my opinion is the only really great toy's which came from it are the Metroplex, and Astro Train toys.
Aside from killing off optimus, I think just as bad of a mistep was the designs themselves. The movie and future designs were more futuristic and brightly colored original design. But a big appeal of most of the previous designs was that they were primarily based on real vehicles you could see in real life somewhere. It kind of defeats the DISGUISE part of Robots in Disguise if its based on some original scifi car.
Biggest problem with Rodimous was that he'd feel unworthy, work through it, save the day, then in the next episode he'd be emotionally right back where he was at the beginning in the he previous episode.
There's something genuinely unique about the pop culture impact of Optimus' death. I don't think Optimus getting powered up in the movie would have been as memorable. After Hasbro and the Transformers brand found a way to survive and move on from the fallout of the movie, it gave them a story arc to build on for other Transformers media.
I had an Ultra Magnus toy. My brother bought it for me for Christmas. I told him that the truck was just a white Optimus Prime and he didn’t believe me at first.
If I'm not mistaken, Christopher Vogler's Practical Guide had already begun to be conceived at the time G1 began (it wasn't enough to be applied only in the film, it had to be present from the beginning of the series), but I believe it hadn't yet become popular enough in the entertainment industry to the point of being applied in franchises like this. This defined the traditions of the franchise to this day, so much so that Transformers doesn't use the hero's journey to this day (they only started using it timidly from Animated onwards)
Since this movie was my introduction to the brand, I always remembered Prime as the valiant hero who died with honor and passed on the mantle of leadership to another soldier until it eventually landed on the Chosen One. I wasn't upset by his death, but thought it was cool and took THAT context with me when I later watched Beast Wars and the first two seasons of the main animated series.
if you had to assign a Familial role to Ultra Magnus then it would be Dad's closest friend. Someone who he trusted and confided in that was outside the immediate family, but loyal enough to be trusted and guiding voice in Dad's absence. If you go by the heirarchy of leadership, Ultra Magnus was the reluctant second in command who realized he wasn't cut out to move beyond the shadow of Prime, and realized that someone else had to take the Mantle of Leadership. He would always be the "trusted adviser".
I like Ultra Magnus well enough, but recently I’ve been getting more interested in the original concepts for when they were Diaclone and Magnus originally being an upgraded super mode for Optimus is really cool
The 86 movie was the perfect ending to G1 just like Return Of The Jedi was the perfect ending to Star Wars. When you watch G1 season 3 or the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy you can tell the writers had no friggin idea what to do with the story. Season 3 is boring AF. I'm a hardcore Transformers fan & I can't even watch it. G1 ends with the defeat of the Decepticons, the end of the great war & the return to peace at the end of the 86 movie. There was no reason to extend it. And they also had no idea what to do with the toy line. First we had the Gobots which were crappy, tiny & simplistic. Then Transformers showed up with high quailty toys that had shiny chrome, rubber tires & diecast metal parts. But it eventually turned into cheap, hollow, all plastic dollar store garbage. If they had good writers to keep the story going & continued to make awesome high-quality toys, things might've been different. Also, everything awesome from the 80s stopped at the same time starting in 87. It's like everything slammed into a brick wall at the same time & suddenly stopped. The creativity was gone. They were pumping out new cartoons and toy lines like crazy between 77-87. And then everything just stopped dead in its tracks.
I agree that Transformers the Movie is a perfect bookend to Season 1 and 2, but I don't agree that Season 3 is somehow 'bad.' In some ways, it's better - a smaller, more central cast and with somewhat more serious themes pervade the third season. The loss of Optimus Prime hurt, but I find myself watching those episodes more than season two - the pecking order for me is Season 1, Season 3, Season 2.
Come on, conceptually s3 was interesting. Galavtron's madness to the point he was sent to mental clinic planet, Optimus got fate worse than death, quintessons that make wars for profits, actual rodimus ark in episodes like ultimate weapon. And, I wasn't born in 80's, but ending of s3 went well with zombie era(2007-2013). Anyway, from dark fiction, it's better than trashy beast machines and dull tfp.
@@MelvinBagbyBy bringing Optimus back they screwed over Rodimus cause you can't have two leaders. Shows are planned out years in advance They changed his voice to make him more Emo sounding when the Original Voice actor sounded more like he did at the end of the movie.
I agree, if Optimus Prime had been resurrected in the form of Ultra Magnus, it would have made much more sense. He's the holdout from the original line (last of the Diaclones), and would still look like a truck because he'd be rebuilt on Earth by either the Autobots or humans, or a collaboration of both. The ongoing battle between that new Optimus Prime and Megatron/Galvatron would be a match between Unicron's creation and the creation of an Autobot/human endeavor, showing that something born of love will always win over something born of evil (or vengeance or greed or whatever you want to assign to Unicron's motivations). As it is, I always felt like Ultra Magnus was the primary uncle - like Optimus Prime's brother - who ended up being unwilling (and ultimately unworthy) of assuming the role of the patriarch in the Autobot family, so the role passes to the next-generation heir, being Hot Rod. That leaves Ultra Magnus as an extraneous character who only represents the legacy of the family, as he is the last of the Diaclones and the only one remaining who appears as a human (earthly) vehicle. Take out Cup and it might have worked, making Ultra Magnus the mentor/lieutenant by choice. But the movie did give me one of my favorite Transformers scenes ever. Can you guess which one? "HERE'S A HINT..."
7:40 - If they were always intended to be the same person, how come the Tech Specs on the toys indicated Megatron was a Leader with rank 10, while Galvatron was a City Commander with rank 9? It doesn't make sense that Megatron would be demoted after being reformatted, and if he was, then who was the new leader?. Also the profile for Galvatron states "a cold-hearted robotic villain Determined to lead the Decepticons." this implies that he isn't the leader.
In Texas in 1980s Optimus Prime was $39 bucks , , my mom couldn't afford him , later I got a used Prime without a trailer at a Yard sale in our neighborhood , I think she paid $12 bucks 😢😮😢
I would have been so stoked if I had a blue or black Optimus Prime as a kid. I had the original red and the white Ultra Magnus but had no idea there were different colors.
Well 14 year's ago i gave my 4 year old nephew my G1 Ultra Magnus in perfect condition and within 2 hour's it had been broken into 5 ir 6 pieces....got it in 1986 and put it on my shelf didn't play with it and 20 years later watched it get destroyed 😢
@SGD_ToysDownUnder cab was fine it's just a white Optimus prime that sits inside the trailer, the top of the car carrier on the trailer were the first thing he grabbed and snapped off.
I don't know if I'm right or not but as far as I know what we call Pretenders originated from a Japanese line and was taken in by Hasbro in the same way they took in diaclone and made them Transformers.. There was a Animated Series in Japan that is considered a Transformer series if memory serves me it's called Transformers victory when they translated it into English in d Britain I don't know what the original Japanese name is. The Decepticons in Victory are where we get those cheesy robots inside a goofy shell. In Transformers victory the Autobots and Decepticons are Mech suits piloted by humans and they never clearly explain why in Victory Transformers Optimus Prime returns as a mech suit he has a human pilot who is a teenager and basically the guy wears what looks like a Power Rangers watch and when he does a little hi ho morphine thing he transforms into Optimus Prime or part of Optimus Prime whatever you want to call it. I don't know if the cartoon came first or the American toys it's possible that the Japanese retool the American toys and made a cartoon based on them but as far as I know they came out first in Japan and were used by Hasbro in the US but the series was never released in the US only in Japan and Britain
@@peterparker6584 Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory are all Transformers original media and toys. There is a divide between Japan and the rest of the world at this point, Headmasters Jr differ wildly to the Japanese Masterforce Headmasters, not all Pretenders are used in the Japanese line and Japan has many exclusive toys, but all were designed for the Transformers brand. You might be thinking of Battle Beasts / Beast Formers though? I'm not super familiar with it, but to my knowledge it was put into Transformers on the Japanese side as a way to get it over, but it's also a Takara toyline to start with.
@@Big-Image That sounds about right. The two shows came out around the same time technically I've seen bits and pieces of both of them where they are very badly dubbed in English apparently in Britain. It felt like they basically were giving the janitor sandwiches to do some of the Voice work characters have different English voices from one episode to the next and so on one is called Victory and the other one is called super god Master Force. If I remember correctly one is the Headmasters and the other one is the cartoon where the robots are Mech suits and you have Autobot and decepticon the Decepticon ones I forget what reason they joined with humans and they're basically ancient monsters in different forms and the monsters have a robot form and a monster form. The toy version Look identical to toys that were brought out in Canada and the US where it's a shell that opens up with a robot inside and the robot in the Shell turns into a goofy vehicle of some sort
I was okay with Rodimus, but the sudden doubt felt weird. He started out as a cowboy, and he could have easily matured over time. Optimus Prime just shows up and Rodimus just POOF, becomes #2. Of course they couldn't have used the freaking Matrix of Leadership to have Rodimus and Optimus talk to each-other. In fact, that could have lessened the blow
They shocked me with Prowl and Ironhide's death so I was right into the movie's shock and awe aspects when Prime was killed off. I was like "wow" where is this movie going next? Yeah. I was hooked.
Ultra Magnus is your good hearted uncle with a closet drug addiction, and hates himself because he knows he's better than that. Speaking for a friend, defintely not me lol
👋😳 Thank you I appreciate the video! I never noticed the red dune buggy from the power Convoy version, Of would later becomes Ultra Magnus! I want a dozen of them! They could be those Autobot dune buggy troops on the video game Transformers Fall of Cybertron!🤔 👍😮
Well, not exactly original context, but in rid 2001 Magnus can combine with Optimus. Cool idea, considering that in g1 toys Magnus was Optimus recolour and in armor.
I thought Marvel Comics handled Prime's return so well. The depiction of a returned Prime, and the cost of resurrection, is an interesting one. Powermaster Prime was far more powerful, but also riddled with some doubt, that only resolved when he fully sacrificed himself to destroy Unicron. Marvel Powermaster Prime was also a beast when angered. We never got a final confrontation with Galvatron though in US G1 Marvel.
I think Season 2's highs are higher than 3's highs, but as a package, yeah, I like 3 the most. I didn't see G1 proper till I was a teen though, being a G2/BW kid.
When the cartoon finally started airing on german TV in 1989, there were not even a handfull season 1/2 eps shown, but Rebirth and season 3. Rodimus, Springer and Magnus were those characters who made us fans here The first two seasons wouldn't have made the fan I am today, I was really into those darker and spacy themes and we loved these characters! So all in all it is just a matter of perspective! And yes, mistakes were made, like every time someone is new at something, but on the other hand, now we have the same setting, the same characters and the same story for around 20 years. Its always OP and Bee, stranding on earth, fighting with Megs and Starscream. I much prefer BW and MW over all of this And Primes movie death clearly was a better option over his pathetic comic death. By the way, why is noone talking about the deaths in the Marvel comics clearly meant to make room for the new characters/toys?? Dark Star anyone?
What? The US line went to 1990, Japan till 1992 and Europe it never ended, just transitioned into G2. Even if you consider the end of Diaclone and Micro Change toys "The end", 1986 had a lot of holdover designs and The Headmasters in Japan used the train robo from Diaclone.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder but it hurt us in the states, we couldnt find them on the shelves to complete our collection. after 1985 you werent gonna find the originals, megatron or optimus prime or any other of the first 2 seasons. same was with the GI joe
@141runn that's normal for back then in all regions. Toys were available for the year they released and the following year. They were not distributed indefinitely. It's no different to a wave of toys back then only being around till the warehouse runs out and starts shipping the next one to your stores.
@@jonahrains7483 I was happy to own him eventually, but yeah. Going from Hot Rod, one of the best toys of the year, to Rodimus, an afterthought that you can sense by looking at how lazy it is, it's quite the jump.
Block, I'm pretty sure you missed it.But ultra magnet was somebody who fought in the cybertron?Railroad wars with optimus prime.I believe they were battle buddies like brothers.So he would be like your dad's friend.That always got you into trouble or your dad into trouble or maybe something like that
Transformers One is basically OP and Megs getting multiple upgrades throughout the movie, and it’s awesome. Optimus returning at the end of TF 86 would have been the absolute greatest thing ever. In hindsight it seems like a no brainer.
I think the notion that the movie could have focused on repairing optimus is a great idea. I didn't like the "reformatting" of Megatron either. I feel like that could have been handled differently.
You know, now that you mention that Ultra Magnus shouldn't exist... I kind of agree. I've always struggled to place him anywhere in the series. He kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. Unused potential, I'd say. He was supposed to be the best warrior on Cybertron and all that, but somehow that never really materialized until the Regeneration 1 comic series where he went and took out Galvatron.
The Season 3 episodes uh..... anything with Daniel or singing alien characters were bad. I enjoyed some episodes. The return of Optimus Prime, the struggle of leadership with Rodimus Prime, the grudge of Galvatron with Rodimus and Ultra Magmus, Predaking, Trypticon, Metroplex, the ghost of Starscream, cameo of Flint and Corba Commander, the battle of the combiners (First Aid struggles) and the synthoids Autobots were good at best.
I never really like the new generation mainly because of their futuristic alt modes. I really liked the contemporary cars/planes but it was probably due to licensing
@@yoitsmearwyn2519 Neither Hasbro nor Takara bothered with licensing any alt modes till the 00s. Car designs weren't protected like that till around the time of Car Robots adaption as Robots in Disguise.
That's a really good take! Having "magnus" be upgraded Optimus prime like how the toy was intended in the first place and how galvatron was upgraded megatron. A Story where the cast meet the Junkions and the quintessons in a quest to revive optimus for him to use the matrix to save the universe from unicron It seems so obvious!
Kupp is no granfather....kupp is more akin to that army veteran neighbour that does not give you advice but shares his crazy life experience and let's you figure it out. Baa weep graanah wheel ni ni bong...❤
Yeah. Screamer gone 35 minutes, but to be fair, out of the several billion deaths in that first 35 his is the best and my favorite scene in dot dot dot. Here's a hint!
The best thing was to change Optimus prime slow in to a other body . And upgrade the toy with it. What strange is that megaton it have done that in the movie
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i think i had power master optimus prime as a kid.
No it's not. The 1986 movie was The Last jedi of Transformers. It murders a bunch of beloved characters, and shoves loser knock offs at you same way disney star wars did with the sequel trilogy and just expects you accept and root for them. I hate with the 1986 film fury of 1000 burning suns. It's nonsense as it blows it's load in first 20 minutes(Even people who like it concede basically the beginning the only good part of the movie.) then randomly bounces between planets till it just abruptly ends. There's no story behind anything, as the matrix kills Unicron for reasons. Everyone is written like idiots including Unicron who literally had millions of years destroy the defenseless matrix and earth, but didn't because despite being able to crap out an instant army at will. This what happens when you lazily introduce concepts. It's super freaking lazy and only people blinded by nostaglia think it's actually of any real quality. It's trash. The Bay films are just big dumb action films, but they manage actually have a coherent simple story. The 1986 film couldn't even get that right.
@Lastjustice actually Bay films are all over the place. Very inconsistent in why the transformers came to earth. Always changed up the reasons why. Michael bays transformers are far worse than the 1986 film. Just garbage.
@@jessiemartinez3056 History and box office say otherwise. The 1986 bombed and reduced the popularity of Transformers as a Brand. The Bay films made Transformers more popular than it's ever been, and made a crap ton of movie. You liking doesn't change actual facts. Reality doesn't conform to your baseless narrative.
Great video, my friend. Your knowledge of Transformers is quite inspiring. If I may, I’d like to make a request for your next one. You mentioned during your venture on Wild King the TF fandom’s history of anti-Japanese sentiment. Would you mind dedicating a video to explaining it? I too found myself curious about it and yearn to learn more.
The new to the movie characters were just terrible minus the sharkicons but the rest were lame and the toys were even worse you could tell hasbro had no idea what they were doing
I had a friend in high school who said he would combine the Optimus tractor with the Magnus trailer to create his own sort of "Super Optimus Prime" when he was a little kid. Didn't know that he was actually using it for the original intent.
I wanna get the Tenseg Base Optimus and combine him with my Kingdom Magnus to do this...
...or I WOULD if not for the fact that Tenseg Base Optimus is about twice the price of a Voyager for just a Voyager figure and a base.
Omega Prime
Prime Supreme
@atheistbiker that sounds like a pizza flavored energy drink. 😂
In terms of writing, I think season 3’s take on Rodimus was the bigger issue. It sent the character backwards and frequently the viewers mind was forced to compare and long for Optimus with Rodimus, rather than be excited for his new adventures and further growth. I like the idea of Rodimus and like the movie, but post movie was Rodimus was an ugly attempt to walk him back.
I spoke with one of the writers at TF con, and he straight out said they didn't like Rodimus because they didn't agree with replacing Optimus so they basically didn't give a crap about him.
@@knightwolfpro4494😂Don’t blame those writers.
@@izzy3166 If they had been thinking about it, espcially since they already knew they were going to bring prime back, they could have written some amazing stories withe Rodimus trying to learn to be a leader without a true mentor, and then when they brought Optimus Prime back, they could have set up for Prime to truely mentor Hot Rod to become a great leader
@@knightwolfpro4494plus, there is scripts for the movie from 1983, and optimus still dies there. So, writers knew he gonna die, and anyways made him so good, and THEN told hasbro that killing him is a bad idea? They are weird, can't even stick to the plan.
rodimus would have liked the emo scene
Death of Optimus never bothered me. However. I liked Hot Rod car better than future winnebago of Rodimus.
Rodimus needed a better alt mode.
@@JoybuzzerX Oddly enough, Rodimus isn't a futuristic motorhome, but a concept truck from the 60s. Bison I think?
@SGD_ToysDownUnder did not know that...still...always hated it 😛
I have mixed feelings. The original toy leaves a lot to be desired, but I think modern versions with a beefier Hot Rod feel a lot more substantial.
The Rodimus toy felt too small for the role.
@@d-monfromthetip3073Yep, never made much sense to have Rodimus fight Galvatron. My brothers and I always used Optimus or Ultra Magnus. I still remember going to Kmart and being surprised how small Rodimus was. Not to mention the quality just didn't seem that good to me.
But just to be clear, I liked Rodimus as an idea. I wish he'd been treated better, both by the show and toy. Fortunately he got some good stuff much later on.
I'm 50 years old, and I'm glad everything happened the way it happened, and not this absurd erasure of Ultra Magnus. I love Ultra Magnus. I'm not saying you don't, but you're using a lot of knowledge from today to apply to how things were done in toys at the time.
The first true redo of a character in Hasbro was Snake Eyes v2, and while it became a thing of course over the next years, it was a gradual increase - Hawk and Roadblock in 86, only Gung-Ho in 87 and Rock n Roll Storm Shadow and Destro in 88. Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime didn't occur until 86 and Goldbug in 87. The times were changing as we went as they always do.
All this to say, I don't think Hasbro ever considered re-releasing Optimus Prime as Powered Convoy, because it's not really how things were being done - yet.
The death of Optimus might have been a mistake, but it gave an identity to the franchise that Hasbro keeps trying to walk back. Rodimus, Dai Atlas, Star Saber, Primal, Leo Convoy. A rotating leader taking the reins after the previous one passes away. Yet way too many shows are now afraid of doing that. It was specially noticeable in Transformers Prime, when Smokescreen´s character arc went to hell, and in Armada with Hot Shot.
Rodimus didn't die though,he went off to repower upbthe Matrix.
@@Fenris30 Then how come Star Saber is considered a Prime?
He isn't he simply holds the rank of commander!@@danielmedela8725
Calling the movie a misstep is a bold statement considering most of current Transformers lore was introduced in the movie and season 3.
Transformers as a franchise would be literally unrecognisable without it
And if BW hadn't been successful, the brand wouldn't have survived the mid 90s. I think it's a bit unfair to place all of Transformers woes in the late 80s and early 90s at the feet of the movie, but it's also not unwarranted. Many factors and I'll likely talk about that at a later date when I have the time.
Keep in mind that the movie was in development before season 1. So season 1 and 2 were just action place holders.
@SteelWolf13 production on season 1 started in march 1984
The first script for the movie wasn't submitted until September
@@HouseholdWheel Was watching another transformer vid where they were saying the script was in DEVELOPMENT that does not mean it was submitted. Some scripts are worked on for decades.
Lore does not make a subject interesting, it's a tool with which the characters can work
The failure of the movie was the reset of characters, not the addition of lore
Hey without Rodimus we wouldn't have had HotShot
Given the benefit of hindsight, I view the movie and the loss of Optimus Prime as a bad move in the short term, but one that has ended up strengthening the brand in the much longer-term. The 1986 animated film has become default viewing for old and new fans thanks to home& online video, and the death of Optimus (among several others) gives its lore a bit more emotional weight and gravitas then several other 1980s toy-based properties. To give an example, for better or worse, Optimus dying in a heroic sacrifice (however temporarily) has become a common theme across multiple incarnations of Transformers storytelling, to the point of becoming a meme. That probably would not be if Optimus didn't die in the '86 movie, or came back at the end of it. ( "Doc says Duke is gonna be OK!" )
I was always bummed out that Optimus had to "die" to fulfill the sacrifice, while Megatron got a new coat of paint and came back stronger. They could have gone with Ultra Magnus or even Powermaster Prime/Ginrai if he was in concept back then.
I just kinda wish the movie had released in Japan at the same time it released in the US.
Not really. Remember, if it wasn't for Beast Wars, the brand wouldn't have survived the mid 90s. G1 died in the US. G2 underperformed globally.
@amajor1107 Prime passed with dignity, surrounded by Family. Megatron was cast away and made a deal with the 😈 to survive
Studio Series '86 Magnus is a thing of beauty :D
Ya but I feel like his head is to small for his body
Not for me. I enjoy the Powered Convoy play pattern way more than the movie accurate look of SS86
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder Haha NO! 👎
Yeah, too bad Hasbro made it nearly impossible to find.
if you look at initial commercial introducing the 86 characters. ultra magnus was called the NEW leader of the autobots as he faced galvatron.
That was then trying to contain spoilers.
He is also featured prominently on the movie posters. Maybe misdirection to keep the storyline a surprise or maybe a result of early scripts where Optimus becomes his armored-up version.
Ultra Magnus is just a step dad, Blurr is the drunk uncle
Blurr is the guy who had WAY too much coffee or Red Bull, or both..
Never been a fan of Blur, but I think I'll never get this out of my had now and I'm still undecided whether it makes it better or worse.😅 I kind of instantly made the connection to Christmas Vacation's Uncle Eddie…
Im 49 and i still blame Hot Rod. 😂😂😂
Damn straight!
I think we're all with you 😂
RIP Jazz...
Grow up😂
@goldenltd1970 no way. 😆😆
Yet neither Optimus nor Magnus blamed Hot Rod, despite him blaming himself 🤔
what im trying to figure out is why Hasbro left Powered Buggy out of the Ultra Magnus release.
cost maybe? if so, why not just split him off the mold and release him in the Minibot range with Swerve and Wheelie?
Transformers stormers failed because they so grossly underestimated their customer base when they killed Optimus Prime. Kids left theatre's in tears.
Absolutely in all counts!!!
little children perhaps but i was a teen then and did not cry over cartoon antics. i was happy characters died. it was my main criticism of G.I. Joe, no matter what happens during the show it always reset back to zero by the end. there were no consequences, noting ever mattered. at least the movie had consequences. at least for a time.
There needed to be a way to show how the primes move the leadership from one autobot to another.
I still love Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime
@@ValinLadi1994 the movie covered that with the transfer of the Matrix. but with the outcry from the customer base they have been reluctant to get rid of prime again in America. Japan has had many leaders but i guess we weren't mature enough to handle that change.
As for Rodimus, at the time i didn't understand why his form changed automatically but optimus didn't. but teen me didn't know about marketing.
@ I have to agree that we don’t handle the change here at all when we should. But I honestly would like to see them move forward as it would be good to see how they could move on with new leadership.
I think most of us don’t think about the marketing aspect of things and how it affects businesses. But I definitely think now is time to see a little change since they tend to make small changes here and there.
I don’t know in regards to the changes to his structure but I can only imagine it’s due to his change from a soldier to a prime that it would warrant the change to show how he has grown as a leader. I also don’t understand the reason why Optimus wouldn’t make a change as it would be a thought that this would be a change that would be needed to show him grow from grunt worker to prime as well.
I don’t know if when I was a teen then I really understood but I just recall that if Optimus is gone that Rodimus would be an amazing leader change.
is shockwave self aware and escaped the series and learned the lore and started making videos about the series he came from (you really sound like shockwave)
I don't recall Shockwave having a strong Australian accent... 😜
I cried when Optimus Prime died, but I did like the hot rod/Rodimus Prime
Excellent job. Can't hear enough of manufacturing malfunctions at times 😂❤
I like the idea of the “old guard” of Autobots. Prime, Magnus, Kup, Ironhide, etc. were the seasoned warriors who have been fighting for eons. It’s a disservice to them that the movies and comics focus on the younger bots like Bumblebee.
I always felt like Ultra Magnus was a "true best friend" to Optimus Prime, closer to a brother, a war hero, and way more respected than just an "uncle" figure. I think the setup was there for him to take the lead role and probably would have been better received than Hot Rod. To me personally, his role as "the new Prime" felt like giving the leadership to a less mature Bumblebee. I know I'm overthinking it, but the only thing Hot Rod had going for him was he was probably the best toy mold of the new non-Diaclone batch.
Hot rod had cup and r.c...plus Rodimius was way better n cooler than Optimus
I'm definitely in the minority. When it comes to enjoying the season 3 cast. I don't think that they ruin Transformers, because Transformers were still going strong all the way up until 88. And I don't think the movie ruined it. Otherwise, people would have stopped buying transformers after the movie came out. One of the things I enjoyed about transformers is that it's a war and that characters actually do end up passing away so that was what made it more realistic for me.
The movie and Season 3 were garbage(Most of their toys even sucked.). They definitely lowered fans interest in transformers. The movie cast has far less fans than the original cast. Hence they don't get brought back remotely as often. No one I knew gave a crap about Transformers post movie. Your assessment is completely off base given how much backlash the movie gave Hasbro. Sure transformers never stopped making toys, but their popularity was not what it was till Beast Wars came out. To claim otherwise is nonsense. (Irony that for all whining people do, the bayfilms made Transformers more popular than their trash 86 film did.)
I despise anyone who cites death makes it realistic. Transformers isn't remotely realistic in so many ways, and this idea realism equals good has no basis in terms of writing. This such a dumb argument given how few deaths happened(Alpha Trion and handful of unnamed seekers and monsters were the only body count prior to the film), and characters survived sooo much worse than what happened in the 1986 film. (In triple takeover Blitzwing smashes several autobots flat and makes a throne out of their bodies. They all live.) Invoking the Zack Znyder school of writing, only death makes for a serious story!(eye rolls). Only chumps think this way as there's far more compelling things to do with characters besides kill them. Characters having to live with their failures and betrayals is far more interesting than simply removing characters via death. Given they turn the plot armor right back on for everyone soon as opening deaths are done, it just makes them cowards for it. Ultra Magnus is brought back to life, because reasons, but Optimus can't because also reasons.
Transformers and GI Joe both have new characters pop up all time, which to me is far more realistic as new people show up at your job all time and leave over time without anyone dying. It makes more sense than same 5 people handling every situation and never getting seriously injured. New characters still continued to pop up and disappear without any massive die offs, so this idea the franchise needed this to function is bogus. Death should be used sparingly in this style of story, and it should really matter when it happens. Just cruelly mow down characters the way the 1986 film did just a massive F you to fans. Especially when your fans are mostly below the age of 10. it seems pointlessly mean spirited. It's a kids show not freaking game of thrones.
All records from the 80s say that the brand fell off a cliff in 1987 as part of a Hasbro wide decline in toy sales. 1986 was a rough year, so stores ordered less for 1987. I do not think the movie is the sole reason for this, but that's a video for a later date.
That said, I enjoy Season 3 quite a lot. Season 1 has a lot of important episodes, but it can be a bit dry. Season 2 is a series of high highs and low lows. Season 3 has a complete tonal change, but it's a lot more consistent than 2 and I think has more entertainment value than 1. It's also got a lot of great lore episodes. Season 2 has the best episodes of G1 by far, but they're few and far between. Season 3 mid is higher than Season 2 mid IMO.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnderseason 3 and the movie was the best ... Rodimius was way better than old ass prime and glad they killed him off...seasi3 had way better villains and storylines..
With the family archetypes I think Rodimus comes off like a Stepfather that is unsure of his place. Knowing he can’t fill the role of father when compared to Optimus.
It also amazed me in season 3 whenever Rodimus was reverted to Hot Rod he seemed to be written better, “Dark Awakening” as an example.
I know I cried when I was a child watching this movie, killing Optimus and many other famous transformers was a nail in the coffin for original Transformers cartoon.
Great video, but Masked Crusaders was the fad after Transformers. Turtles came after Mask.
I was more talking about the 1988/1989/1990 assortments of Transformers rather than 1986/1987, but I don't get the impression that MASK was ever a big player. Yeah, kids went from fad to fad, still do, but I was under the impression the 80s timeline was; MotU 82 > Transformers 84 > Ghostbusters 86 > TMNT 88, with GI Joe being a juggernaut and constant throughout the decade, while MASK, DinoRiders and Thundercats were successful enough to last the normal 3 year lifespan. The 80s equivalent to Biker Mice from Mars in a way.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder I guess it depends on your country and what your friends were into. Mask was pretty big in the UK, all my friends went to them, then it was turtles, then WWF figures.
I can see Ghostbusters, I had those toys as well, but it was only the 4 figures, with the 4 small accompanying ghosts, and Marshmallow man in the first batch. So there wasn't really muh to collect initially.
I remember MASK toys and the saturday morning cartoon, but i don't feel like it was ever a big thing in the USA. Not on par with Transformers or G.I.Joe or TMNT, anyway.
I just thought a lot of the OG Transformers the Movie toys seemed cheaper looking for some reason, especially when they switched the rubber tires and die cast metal parts with plastic. Things would've been better if in the movie, battle damaged Prime combined with Magnus and became Ultra Prime! The Rodimus Prime toy also was dwarfed by Galvatron and Hot Rod looked cooler. Hasbro should have kept the mini figures too and made one of them Spike. Imagine the price people would've paid today for a G1 mini SPIKE!
@@Face761 the initial releases of the 1986 toys did have diecast and rubber, but later production runs had it cut for cost as Hasbro's lines all experienced decline in 1986.
They should have never had Magnus but instead had prime in critical condition after the final battle handing over the matrix just in case(maybe delaying the death of one of the older characters). In the climax have prime arrive in a shuttle arrive with a new trailer and once the matrix was reinstalled have the trailer transform into the power armor upgrade. Prime lives with a new toy to sell.
@SGD_ToysDownUnder so all of Hasbros lines declined in 1986, but you blame the Movie and Season 3 for it? 😂
@@goldenltd1970 well it's information I found out long after I produced this video, but the film is still to blame, but not in some super direct "they killed prime" way, more that the three films, along with the planned fourth for Jem cancelled in the fallout, arguably were a mistake.
The Movie is a GEM of the Era!!
Call me a fool if you like, I Loved all of it.
But, I will confess, my opinion is the only really great toy's which came from it are the Metroplex, and Astro Train toys.
Aside from killing off optimus, I think just as bad of a mistep was the designs themselves. The movie and future designs were more futuristic and brightly colored original design. But a big appeal of most of the previous designs was that they were primarily based on real vehicles you could see in real life somewhere. It kind of defeats the DISGUISE part of Robots in Disguise if its based on some original scifi car.
Ultra Magnus felt like a "We got Optimus Prime at Home".
Biggest problem with Rodimous was that he'd feel unworthy, work through it, save the day, then in the next episode he'd be emotionally right back where he was at the beginning in the he previous episode.
There's something genuinely unique about the pop culture impact of Optimus' death. I don't think Optimus getting powered up in the movie would have been as memorable. After Hasbro and the Transformers brand found a way to survive and move on from the fallout of the movie, it gave them a story arc to build on for other Transformers media.
There should have been an Ultra Magnus/Optimus Prime combiner.
That's where Car Robots has you covered and includes a nice reference to Masterforce as an added extra.
*cough cough* armada *cough cough*
I had an Ultra Magnus toy. My brother bought it for me for Christmas. I told him that the truck was just a white Optimus Prime and he didn’t believe me at first.
5:48 You're right about the family archetype, but this idea was obviously borrowed from Lucas and Star Wars
If I'm not mistaken, Christopher Vogler's Practical Guide had already begun to be conceived at the time G1 began (it wasn't enough to be applied only in the film, it had to be present from the beginning of the series), but I believe it hadn't yet become popular enough in the entertainment industry to the point of being applied in franchises like this. This defined the traditions of the franchise to this day, so much so that Transformers doesn't use the hero's journey to this day (they only started using it timidly from Animated onwards)
Hasbro killed off Optimus because they wanted kids to cry in the theatres. That was the whole idea.
Since this movie was my introduction to the brand, I always remembered Prime as the valiant hero who died with honor and passed on the mantle of leadership to another soldier until it eventually landed on the Chosen One. I wasn't upset by his death, but thought it was cool and took THAT context with me when I later watched Beast Wars and the first two seasons of the main animated series.
***NONE OF THE TRANSFORMERS EXIST*** I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
02:35 I had one of those watches in Red. Must have been a knock off. I remember it would come off the band and transform.
I’m 49, I was 11 in 1986, and I stopped watching cartoons and playing with toys after watching “Transformers: The Movie”.
if you had to assign a Familial role to Ultra Magnus then it would be Dad's closest friend. Someone who he trusted and confided in that was outside the immediate family, but loyal enough to be trusted and guiding voice in Dad's absence. If you go by the heirarchy of leadership, Ultra Magnus was the reluctant second in command who realized he wasn't cut out to move beyond the shadow of Prime, and realized that someone else had to take the Mantle of Leadership. He would always be the "trusted adviser".
Uncle Ultra Magnus might be able to help YOU solve a mystery.
I like Ultra Magnus well enough, but recently I’ve been getting more interested in the original concepts for when they were Diaclone and Magnus originally being an upgraded super mode for Optimus is really cool
The 86 movie was the perfect ending to G1 just like Return Of The Jedi was the perfect ending to Star Wars. When you watch G1 season 3 or the Disney Star Wars sequel trilogy you can tell the writers had no friggin idea what to do with the story. Season 3 is boring AF. I'm a hardcore Transformers fan & I can't even watch it. G1 ends with the defeat of the Decepticons, the end of the great war & the return to peace at the end of the 86 movie. There was no reason to extend it.
And they also had no idea what to do with the toy line. First we had the Gobots which were crappy, tiny & simplistic. Then Transformers showed up with high quailty toys that had shiny chrome, rubber tires & diecast metal parts. But it eventually turned into cheap, hollow, all plastic dollar store garbage. If they had good writers to keep the story going & continued to make awesome high-quality toys, things might've been different.
Also, everything awesome from the 80s stopped at the same time starting in 87. It's like everything slammed into a brick wall at the same time & suddenly stopped. The creativity was gone. They were pumping out new cartoons and toy lines like crazy between 77-87. And then everything just stopped dead in its tracks.
Yeah, Transformers and GI Joe both turn to garbage after their movies.
So what is so perfect about it?
I agree that Transformers the Movie is a perfect bookend to Season 1 and 2, but I don't agree that Season 3 is somehow 'bad.' In some ways, it's better - a smaller, more central cast and with somewhat more serious themes pervade the third season. The loss of Optimus Prime hurt, but I find myself watching those episodes more than season two - the pecking order for me is Season 1, Season 3, Season 2.
Come on, conceptually s3 was interesting. Galavtron's madness to the point he was sent to mental clinic planet, Optimus got fate worse than death, quintessons that make wars for profits, actual rodimus ark in episodes like ultimate weapon. And, I wasn't born in 80's, but ending of s3 went well with zombie era(2007-2013). Anyway, from dark fiction, it's better than trashy beast machines and dull tfp.
@@MelvinBagbyBy bringing Optimus back they screwed over Rodimus cause you can't have two leaders. Shows are planned out years in advance They changed his voice to make him more Emo sounding when the Original Voice actor sounded more like he did at the end of the movie.
I agree, if Optimus Prime had been resurrected in the form of Ultra Magnus, it would have made much more sense. He's the holdout from the original line (last of the Diaclones), and would still look like a truck because he'd be rebuilt on Earth by either the Autobots or humans, or a collaboration of both. The ongoing battle between that new Optimus Prime and Megatron/Galvatron would be a match between Unicron's creation and the creation of an Autobot/human endeavor, showing that something born of love will always win over something born of evil (or vengeance or greed or whatever you want to assign to Unicron's motivations).
As it is, I always felt like Ultra Magnus was the primary uncle - like Optimus Prime's brother - who ended up being unwilling (and ultimately unworthy) of assuming the role of the patriarch in the Autobot family, so the role passes to the next-generation heir, being Hot Rod. That leaves Ultra Magnus as an extraneous character who only represents the legacy of the family, as he is the last of the Diaclones and the only one remaining who appears as a human (earthly) vehicle. Take out Cup and it might have worked, making Ultra Magnus the mentor/lieutenant by choice.
But the movie did give me one of my favorite Transformers scenes ever. Can you guess which one? "HERE'S A HINT..."
7:40 - If they were always intended to be the same person, how come the Tech Specs on the toys indicated Megatron was a Leader with rank 10, while Galvatron was a City Commander with rank 9?
It doesn't make sense that Megatron would be demoted after being reformatted, and if he was, then who was the new leader?.
Also the profile for Galvatron states "a cold-hearted robotic villain Determined to lead the Decepticons." this implies that he isn't the leader.
@@Midrealm_DM all the early material, commercials, ect, was written to hide spoilers for the film.
In Texas in 1980s Optimus Prime was $39 bucks , , my mom couldn't afford him , later I got a used Prime without a trailer at a Yard sale in our neighborhood , I think she paid $12 bucks 😢😮😢
I would have been so stoked if I had a blue or black Optimus Prime as a kid. I had the original red and the white Ultra Magnus but had no idea there were different colors.
I actually think Hot Rod becoming Rodimus was the biggest misstep. Magnus should have been rhe new leader canon wise.
i dissagree hot rod was more arcees bf in the film then springer but whatever.
Well 14 year's ago i gave my 4 year old nephew my G1 Ultra Magnus in perfect condition and within 2 hour's it had been broken into 5 ir 6 pieces....got it in 1986 and put it on my shelf didn't play with it and 20 years later watched it get destroyed 😢
@@A_lesson_in_Hate I've never handled G1 Ultra Magnus, only Prime. Is the trailer fragile and easily broken or did he manage to break the cab?
@SGD_ToysDownUnder cab was fine it's just a white Optimus prime that sits inside the trailer, the top of the car carrier on the trailer were the first thing he grabbed and snapped off.
I feel as a transformer fan, I was screwed out of those cool little mini dudes they took out of the change from Diaclone to Transformers
I wonder why Hasbro never Localized The 80's Anime as Seasons 4 to 6?
I don't know if I'm right or not but as far as I know what we call Pretenders originated from a Japanese line and was taken in by Hasbro in the same way they took in diaclone and made them Transformers.. There was a Animated Series in Japan that is considered a Transformer series if memory serves me it's called Transformers victory when they translated it into English in d Britain I don't know what the original Japanese name is. The Decepticons in Victory are where we get those cheesy robots inside a goofy shell. In Transformers victory the Autobots and Decepticons are Mech suits piloted by humans and they never clearly explain why in Victory Transformers Optimus Prime returns as a mech suit he has a human pilot who is a teenager and basically the guy wears what looks like a Power Rangers watch and when he does a little hi ho morphine thing he transforms into Optimus Prime or part of Optimus Prime whatever you want to call it. I don't know if the cartoon came first or the American toys it's possible that the Japanese retool the American toys and made a cartoon based on them but as far as I know they came out first in Japan and were used by Hasbro in the US but the series was never released in the US only in Japan and Britain
I think you were mixing up Transformers Victory with Super God Masterforce.
@@peterparker6584 Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory are all Transformers original media and toys. There is a divide between Japan and the rest of the world at this point, Headmasters Jr differ wildly to the Japanese Masterforce Headmasters, not all Pretenders are used in the Japanese line and Japan has many exclusive toys, but all were designed for the Transformers brand. You might be thinking of Battle Beasts / Beast Formers though? I'm not super familiar with it, but to my knowledge it was put into Transformers on the Japanese side as a way to get it over, but it's also a Takara toyline to start with.
@@Big-Image That sounds about right. The two shows came out around the same time technically I've seen bits and pieces of both of them where they are very badly dubbed in English apparently in Britain. It felt like they basically were giving the janitor sandwiches to do some of the Voice work characters have different English voices from one episode to the next and so on one is called Victory and the other one is called super god Master Force. If I remember correctly one is the Headmasters and the other one is the cartoon where the robots are Mech suits and you have Autobot and decepticon the Decepticon ones I forget what reason they joined with humans and they're basically ancient monsters in different forms and the monsters have a robot form and a monster form. The toy version Look identical to toys that were brought out in Canada and the US where it's a shell that opens up with a robot inside and the robot in the Shell turns into a goofy vehicle of some sort
I was okay with Rodimus, but the sudden doubt felt weird. He started out as a cowboy, and he could have easily matured over time. Optimus Prime just shows up and Rodimus just POOF, becomes #2. Of course they couldn't have used the freaking Matrix of Leadership to have Rodimus and Optimus talk to each-other. In fact, that could have lessened the blow
Magnus could have Easily Been a Newly Injured Optimus Prime in a New Body to Sustain his Injuries, than a Seperate Entity.
They shocked me with Prowl and Ironhide's death so I was right into the movie's shock and awe aspects when Prime was killed off. I was like "wow" where is this movie going next? Yeah. I was hooked.
14:18 you cooked pretty hard with this one
Ultra Magnus is your good hearted uncle with a closet drug addiction, and hates himself because he knows he's better than that. Speaking for a friend, defintely not me lol
I wish the hadn't made grimlock and the other dinobots comic relief, they aren't bad in the movie, but in season 3 they were overly dimwitted
I think they tried to make Ultra Magnus to be like GI Joe's Flint.
As a big Flint fan, they didn't do a good job. :P
👋😳 Thank you I appreciate the video! I never noticed the red dune buggy from the power Convoy version, Of would later becomes Ultra Magnus! I want a dozen of them! They could be those Autobot dune buggy troops on the video game Transformers Fall of Cybertron!🤔 👍😮
Well, not exactly original context, but in rid 2001 Magnus can combine with Optimus. Cool idea, considering that in g1 toys Magnus was Optimus recolour and in armor.
In the original show, Car Robots, Magnus was actually a reference to God Bomber from Masterforce; God Magnus.
I thought Marvel Comics handled Prime's return so well. The depiction of a returned Prime, and the cost of resurrection, is an interesting one. Powermaster Prime was far more powerful, but also riddled with some doubt, that only resolved when he fully sacrificed himself to destroy Unicron. Marvel Powermaster Prime was also a beast when angered. We never got a final confrontation with Galvatron though in US G1 Marvel.
Ultra Magnus was GARBAGE... He got owned....so easily!
Love the movie and season 3 was my favorite
I think Season 2's highs are higher than 3's highs, but as a package, yeah, I like 3 the most. I didn't see G1 proper till I was a teen though, being a G2/BW kid.
The original Japanese version explains everything because in the U.S. it got major edits for censorship in the 80s
Still own my original G1 Ultra Magnus
When the cartoon finally started airing on german TV in 1989, there were not even a handfull season 1/2 eps shown, but Rebirth and season 3.
Rodimus, Springer and Magnus were those characters who made us fans here
The first two seasons wouldn't have made the fan I am today, I was really into those darker and spacy themes and we loved these characters!
So all in all it is just a matter of perspective!
And yes, mistakes were made, like every time someone is new at something, but on the other hand, now we have the same setting, the same characters and the same story for around 20 years.
Its always OP and Bee, stranding on earth, fighting with Megs and Starscream.
I much prefer BW and MW over all of this
And Primes movie death clearly was a better option over his pathetic comic death.
By the way, why is noone talking about the deaths in the Marvel comics clearly meant to make room for the new characters/toys?? Dark Star anyone?
discontinuing the toy line after 1985 is what hurt them.
What? The US line went to 1990, Japan till 1992 and Europe it never ended, just transitioned into G2. Even if you consider the end of Diaclone and Micro Change toys "The end", 1986 had a lot of holdover designs and The Headmasters in Japan used the train robo from Diaclone.
@@SGD_ToysDownUnder but it hurt us in the states, we couldnt find them on the shelves to complete our collection. after 1985 you werent gonna find the originals, megatron or optimus prime or any other of the first 2 seasons. same was with the GI joe
@141runn that's normal for back then in all regions. Toys were available for the year they released and the following year. They were not distributed indefinitely. It's no different to a wave of toys back then only being around till the warehouse runs out and starts shipping the next one to your stores.
I recently cleaned/repaired some of the decals on Rodimus Prime and...wow...is that an awful toy.
@@jonahrains7483 I was happy to own him eventually, but yeah. Going from Hot Rod, one of the best toys of the year, to Rodimus, an afterthought that you can sense by looking at how lazy it is, it's quite the jump.
Nope. I can't acknowledge your perspective
This movie IS Transformers. Period
Block, I'm pretty sure you missed it.But ultra magnet was somebody who fought in the cybertron?Railroad wars with optimus prime.I believe they were battle buddies like brothers.So he would be like your dad's friend.That always got you into trouble or your dad into trouble or maybe something like that
Transformers One is basically OP and Megs getting multiple upgrades throughout the movie, and it’s awesome.
Optimus returning at the end of TF 86 would have been the absolute greatest thing ever. In hindsight it seems like a no brainer.
One is garbage and should never have happened.. messed up the transformersphere! FACTS
I think the notion that the movie could have focused on repairing optimus is a great idea. I didn't like the "reformatting" of Megatron either. I feel like that could have been handled differently.
Powered buggy should have been an upgraded Roller.
You know, now that you mention that Ultra Magnus shouldn't exist... I kind of agree. I've always struggled to place him anywhere in the series. He kind of sticks out like a sore thumb. Unused potential, I'd say. He was supposed to be the best warrior on Cybertron and all that, but somehow that never really materialized until the Regeneration 1 comic series where he went and took out Galvatron.
The Season 3 episodes uh..... anything with Daniel or singing alien characters were bad.
I enjoyed some episodes. The return of Optimus Prime, the struggle of leadership with Rodimus Prime, the grudge of Galvatron with Rodimus and Ultra Magmus, Predaking, Trypticon, Metroplex, the ghost of Starscream, cameo of Flint and Corba Commander, the battle of the combiners (First Aid struggles) and the synthoids Autobots were good at best.
I never really like the new generation mainly because of their futuristic alt modes. I really liked the contemporary cars/planes but it was probably due to licensing
@@yoitsmearwyn2519 Neither Hasbro nor Takara bothered with licensing any alt modes till the 00s. Car designs weren't protected like that till around the time of Car Robots adaption as Robots in Disguise.
Killing off Duke, Optimus Prime, Superman, & who knows what other characters in that time!!
Rodimus should not have been leader of the Autobots, Ultra Magnus should have been. I liked Hot Rod, but fail the appeal when he became Rodimus.
That's a really good take!
Having "magnus" be upgraded Optimus prime like how the toy was intended in the first place and how galvatron was upgraded megatron.
A Story where the cast meet the Junkions and the quintessons in a quest to revive optimus for him to use the matrix to save the universe from unicron
It seems so obvious!
I always saw him as Prime's protege.
Kupp is no granfather....kupp is more akin to that army veteran neighbour that does not give you advice but shares his crazy life experience and let's you figure it out. Baa weep graanah wheel ni ni bong...❤
I agree powered up prime is a great idea but new powers up head sculpt no mouth
I think that’s what he was implying in the video.
Yeah. Screamer gone 35 minutes, but to be fair, out of the several billion deaths in that first 35 his is the best and my favorite scene in dot dot dot. Here's a hint!
the transformers that shouldn't exist ... anything by Micheal bay
The movie is a heavy metal masterpiece.
I feel personallu attackeed
ultra ultra magnus id say is like a step father
Ultra Magnus is the greatest Autobot!
Underated video!
The best thing was to change Optimus prime slow in to a other body .
And upgrade the toy with it.
What strange is that megaton it have done that in the movie
i think i had power master optimus prime as a kid.
Someone to make of the story u have suggested.
Nope. Ultramagnus is awesome. A transformer that was clearly a huge mistake was the nonbinary earth spark ones period.
ultra magnus was the stepfather, lol
Transformers 1986 film is far superior than the garbage put out by Michael Bay. Bumblebee movie was alright.
No it's not. The 1986 movie was The Last jedi of Transformers. It murders a bunch of beloved characters, and shoves loser knock offs at you same way disney star wars did with the sequel trilogy and just expects you accept and root for them. I hate with the 1986 film fury of 1000 burning suns. It's nonsense as it blows it's load in first 20 minutes(Even people who like it concede basically the beginning the only good part of the movie.) then randomly bounces between planets till it just abruptly ends. There's no story behind anything, as the matrix kills Unicron for reasons. Everyone is written like idiots including Unicron who literally had millions of years destroy the defenseless matrix and earth, but didn't because despite being able to crap out an instant army at will. This what happens when you lazily introduce concepts. It's super freaking lazy and only people blinded by nostaglia think it's actually of any real quality. It's trash. The Bay films are just big dumb action films, but they manage actually have a coherent simple story. The 1986 film couldn't even get that right.
@Lastjustice actually Bay films are all over the place. Very inconsistent in why the transformers came to earth. Always changed up the reasons why. Michael bays transformers are far worse than the 1986 film. Just garbage.
Yup 1986 movie way better than that one garbage and the bay movies... facts
@@jessiemartinez3056 History and box office say otherwise. The 1986 bombed and reduced the popularity of Transformers as a Brand. The Bay films made Transformers more popular than it's ever been, and made a crap ton of movie. You liking doesn't change actual facts. Reality doesn't conform to your baseless narrative.
@Lastjustice you goofy kid.. transformers one flopped also so what's that mean
Let's not forget that Hot Rod got Ultra Magnus killed as well...
@@Mister_non Good.
Great video, my friend. Your knowledge of Transformers is quite inspiring.
If I may, I’d like to make a request for your next one. You mentioned during your venture on Wild King the TF fandom’s history of anti-Japanese sentiment.
Would you mind dedicating a video to explaining it? I too found myself curious about it and yearn to learn more.
The new to the movie characters were just terrible minus the sharkicons but the rest were lame and the toys were even worse you could tell hasbro had no idea what they were doing
@@WILLIAMWILKINSON-r4b hard disagree, Cyclonus and Hot Rod are some of the best toys of G1 period.
05:56 not hard at all:
Older brother :)
Sounds like you're the one who has to deal with it!