Those days are unfortunately long gone now that CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS AND BIDS!!!!!! has taken over
Why such a big deal? Horn button on the stalk used to be the common way to do it. Mute and full mute is a nice idea. Why’s that so d so silly? Next you’ll be claiming the superior ride and handling are pointless in a family car.
Putting the horn on te end of the turn signal switch is quite common in French cars from the 90s and 2000s. I used to own a Peugeot 106, a Citroën Berlingo and currently drive a Renault Twingo. All of them had the horn in that position.
The Berlingo? Which construction year? All Berlingos from early 2000s and late 90s I saw had it on the steering wheel. But i remember it on the Xantia, grow up with that car
I was about to say it is an America but I don't know for sure... I know in my car that's where the windshield spray button is so I definitely hit that. Trying to get something off my windscreen and honk at someone on accident😅
The Mercedes Benz Citaro also puts the horn button on the end of the wiper/indicator stalk, maybe because its cheaper to wire up a button there than on the movable steering wheel
The horn on the turn stick is actually really sensible. Most people the second before a crash is about to happen start blaring the horn. The problem is when pushing the horn on the wheel and the airbags go off it’s a sure fire way to break your wrists, which is a very common unjustly in car crashes.
It's good to see Doug reviewing a car that I've actually owned.! I had one of these a 97 year, then I owned a 2003 Citroën C5 afterwards, the hydropneumatic suspension was pretty cool.! It lowered the car by 25mm at 70mph, you could raise & lower it from a button too, you could really get a lot of extra ground clearance or sink it right down & lock it. (up to a certain speed) The thing is, a common sight in European car parks back then was seeing C5's going up, down, up, down, up down etc, etc, soon after being parked & especially if sitting in it with the engine running.! It always made us laugh when it happened unexpectedly, the kids loved it. The garage told us it was no big deal.. "They all did it" 😂 😂 😂 It stopped when you drove it.. Mostly.! 😂 😂 They were extremely comfortable cars to be in.! Unfortunately I wrote my C5 off after hitting a huge fully grown 12 point Scottish Red Deer buck going about 115mph.(me, not the Deer) 😂 £6K worth of damage on a £10K car... 😔 😔 I slowed down dramatically during Deer crossing season after that accident, when it gets cold & they come down off the mountains. A new found respect for wildlife in the Scottish Highlands was found that night.!
You would want 2 mute buttons, one to mute and one to unmute so you know for certain which one you pressed without needing to see while driving incase you are unsure
I had this solution in my old Skoda Favorit from 1995 but the whole stalk switch lever had to be pressed. Nice little feature to avoid accidental sounding of the horn, but a nightmare in situations where you actually had to use it quickly. You'd turn on direction indicators, wipers etc. - everything but the horn.
There’s 2 buttons because the steering wheel is used on many other Citroens and there may well be a different function for that button on other models.
My dad had one of those. My favorite feature was the suspension. When the car got a bit older it took like a minute to "stand up" before you could start driving 😂
I had a 2001 Renault Clio and that had the horn on the end of the wiper stalk. If I had to hit it in a hurry, I'd sometimes just angrily turn my wipers on at people who cut me up.
Fun fact. Some manufacturers (particularly Ford) put the Horn on the turnstalk as they prepared for putting airbags into the steering wheels. For those who have suffered a hand injury in an accident when the airbag went off while pressing on the horn, that turnstalk thing wasn’t such a bad idea.
This is the same on some (or all) dacia cars, I don't know if it's all because I only ever saw a logan from inside. There you also have a few control elements in the steering wheel and the horn is in the little stick thing
We had 3 mute buttons on our old car's radio. "Unmute, soft mute, mute". It was really handy. Soft mute would take the volume down to a level where you could hear a person talking to you through the window - we used it all the time. I suppose you can guess the other two.
The two mute buttons are for different length fingers. Longer fingers use the left while shorter or stout fingers use the right. Seems silly but back then commodities were a premium
Fun fact about the mute button. Some of the models came with a stereo that had a LOUD function. And one of the buttons was there to instantly turn the music down instead of muting noise completely. Useful going from highway traffic to street traffic where noise would be lower.
It’s better than the one where the boss stays in place and the rest of the wheel turns around it. Citroen spent too much time wondering if they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
There’s two buttons for mute because it uses the same switch etc as the volume button. Which is fine because it’s cheaper to buy multiple of the same switch, easier to design, and easier to tool, whilst allowing different functionality of the design was ever altered in terms of what the button does (like when you get “blank” switches/spaces where a different spec of the same car actually has a feature).
I had a '78 Ford Fairmont the was very similar. You pushed in on the turn signal stem to honk the horn. I remember the steering wheel being very solid. It was a loaner that I had for 3 months while my Toyota was being repaired.
My 1978 Ford Fairmont had the horn on the turn indicator lever as well -- it wasn't a button, you just pushed the whole lever in (I guess the switch/button was in the steering column).
i can't confirm this 100%, but being an EU trucker, i can think of a reason for the horn location. most trucks in Europe, where that Citroen is from, have 2 horns, 1 freight horn, and 1 regular car style horn. the freight horn for some trucks in Europe are operated by pressing a button on, or just pressing the center of, the steering wheel. where you'd normally find your car horn. the car style horn is, you guessed it, operated by pressing a button in the same location as the one in that Citroen Xantia.
Horn at the end of blinker is quite common to french cars, and not that bad of an idea if you think about it: Honking without taking your hands of the wheel. And the mute button is of course some generic button - only differently labeled as used in different purposes. And most purposes do have 2 functions, such as up/down, on/off, right/left etc. Okay - "mute" happens to have only one function. Do they produce a special button for that? Course not.
My cousin's AMC Javelin had the horn as the inner rim of the steering wheel. If calm and relaxed no problem, but tense up a bit and the horn would go off. Really a neat solution once you got used to it. The horn was always just a squeeze away.
With a LITTLE bit of knowing electrics, you can actually make ALL of the buttons on the steering wheel into a horn button. It just gets complicated when someone else drives your car and wants to hear some music.
Mute button is just probably reducing manufacturing costs. Above it you have the volume up/rown button. Its cheaper to reuse the same button cap and switches, because you already have the design ready and you probably also have overwhelming supply of parts for that button
If you think about it, in this car an angry person in heavy traffic will just pound their steering wheel and maybe really mute their music, but not cause disturbance for the others. And if they try to go for the small button on the side they will inevitable calm down a little because it requires a measure of focus and precision. As for the super mute, it's because all the other buttons were twin buttons and it was cheaper and easier to just make the mute button same as others.
The other button on the mute is the permanent mute button, the car ejects the radio from where it is and the only way to get it back in place is with a mechanic
Mute and real mute is a real thing! The mute was used to turn the music down to like 10%, and the real Mute actually muted. There was a term I'm sure some audiophile can tell me.
In 1995 almost no other cars have steering wheel control buttons for other functions like radio volume and cruise control. Any older cars have these as well? For the young Doug, yes. Try Renault 25 from 1986.
Both of these are standard features in European cars The 2 mute buttons are because the car doesn't have an extra feature that one of the mute buttons would be connected to
The horn being there is actually better in my opinion. If you get in an accident while pressing the horn and the airbags go off, it's less of a hazard of breaking your arm and other bones.
Reminds me of 70's GM cars that had the horn as a button on the steering wheel spoke. Many times I jabbed at the wheel center desperately trying to sound the horn
While you make a valid point about the mute button, based on the shape of convex and concave one is mute while the other is unmute. It's convoluted but it would make sense as to why it's there. Due to this reason you probably just can't unmute by clicking the same button.
Doug is the type of guy that goes to the strip club and makes the dancers wear T-shirts
Ikr😂
So funny 😂
This is terribly inaccurate and only funny because it’s so inaccurate
Not only that but 2 shirts...
Dont want any accidental water spillage making them see through
@@PHAZER99CMOOON MAAAN WHY 😂😂😂
The french copy nobody and nobody copies the french
Thank god
Rolls-Royce used their suspension.
No? What about the Partner/Berlingo for example?
I had a Xantia for 10 years and never even thought about the mute button. Also my Ford Escort had the horn on the stalk like that.
@@_stoupa2_397they are shared platform also Peugeot owns Citroën
The first one muted the radio, the second one mutes the passenger
It slaps tape on them
it was actually to activate the heated massage passenger seat so you could drive home in silence after diner 😂
😂
It pops a gun out and just shoots them
wish it muted doug
“THE QUIRRRRRKSSSSSSSS AND FEEAAAAATUURRESSSSSSSS”
Those days are unfortunately long gone now that CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS AND BIDS!!!!!! has taken over
@@SuperFlyingGlydon74 right😂😂
Thats the french horn way
😅😅😅
Doug is the type of guy that needs two mute buttons.
Bro why so mean 😂
Why such a big deal? Horn button on the stalk used to be the common way to do it. Mute and full mute is a nice idea. Why’s that so d so silly?
Next you’ll be claiming the superior ride and handling are pointless in a family car.
@@yougotmegood6208you didn’t see the video ? The car has two mute buttons
@@sheppardpat47 thanks. I didn’t catch that
*THIS*
Doug is the type of guy that sleeps in with a nightcap and nightgown
Lmao
What’s wrong with looking like a sleepy simpsons character 😢
@@origamipanda5970Sleepy Jerry
Those are desirable traits
This made laugh too much
They just reused the volume buttons to save money for some reason. 🤣
It shares the steering wheel with the Xsara Picasso, and the other half is a "Source" button
"to save money for some reason"... Like that isn't the reason?
No no it's to be DIFFERENT. To be FRENCH (it is 200% to save money but 🤫)
Putting the horn on te end of the turn signal switch is quite common in French cars from the 90s and 2000s.
I used to own a Peugeot 106, a Citroën Berlingo and currently drive a Renault Twingo.
All of them had the horn in that position.
The Berlingo? Which construction year? All Berlingos from early 2000s and late 90s I saw had it on the steering wheel. But i remember it on the Xantia, grow up with that car
Peugeot 505 had it there too. I liked the chrome ring on the 404's steering wheel.
@@uhrensohnmentalitaet not op but my 2000(exact year) 3 + trunk door berlingo has it on the stalk
Common on French cars from the 60’s on
Fiat Uno Mk1 also
That horn position actually works really well. Same as older land rovers (to 2016 in the case of the defender)
That horn location is not unusual here
I was about to say it is an America but I don't know for sure... I know in my car that's where the windshield spray button is so I definitely hit that. Trying to get something off my windscreen and honk at someone on accident😅
Common location for trucks, less for cars but why not
Yes in north Africa when European cars are common 3 of my last 5 purchased cars have the horn there
Common place for most European cars and as the psa group cars (Citroën Peugeot)cars used the same stalk
@secretsquirrel6124 that's just bullshit, definitely not a common place to put the horn in Europe, not even close
The Mercedes Benz Citaro also puts the horn button on the end of the wiper/indicator stalk, maybe because its cheaper to wire up a button there than on the movable steering wheel
Renault made the same...
Could it be because the M-B Citaro is originally constructed by a company within PSA?
Their are hundreds of examples of this.
Yeah it's not unusual at all for European cars
@lennartdahlback Made in the same factory. It's actually a Renault Kangoo.
Xantia was a fantastic car
I'm sure it shares the steering wheel with a few different models/brands and that double mute button might even do entirely different things elsewhere
Nah I think it's for mute and then REALLY mute
Also it would look pretty shit with just one button, since it would be asymmetrical...but maybe that's just me
Nah, one's for the radio and one's for the engine
Exactly, also they need to stock only one button as spare part etc.
It shares the steering wheel with the Xsara Picasso, and the other half is a "Source" button
The horn on the turn stick is actually really sensible. Most people the second before a crash is about to happen start blaring the horn. The problem is when pushing the horn on the wheel and the airbags go off it’s a sure fire way to break your wrists, which is a very common unjustly in car crashes.
It's good to see Doug reviewing a car that I've actually owned.!
I had one of these a 97 year, then I owned a 2003 Citroën C5 afterwards, the hydropneumatic suspension was pretty cool.!
It lowered the car by 25mm at 70mph, you could raise & lower it from a button too, you could really get a lot of extra ground clearance or sink it right down & lock it. (up to a certain speed)
The thing is, a common sight in European car parks back then was seeing C5's going up, down, up, down, up down etc, etc, soon after being parked & especially if sitting in it with the engine running.!
It always made us laugh when it happened unexpectedly, the kids loved it.
The garage told us it was no big deal.. "They all did it" 😂 😂 😂
It stopped when you drove it.. Mostly.! 😂 😂
They were extremely comfortable cars to be in.!
Unfortunately I wrote my C5 off after hitting a huge fully grown 12 point Scottish Red Deer buck going about 115mph.(me, not the Deer) 😂
£6K worth of damage on a £10K car... 😔 😔
I slowed down dramatically during Deer crossing season after that accident, when it gets cold & they come down off the mountains.
A new found respect for wildlife in the Scottish Highlands was found that night.!
You would want 2 mute buttons, one to mute and one to unmute so you know for certain which one you pressed without needing to see while driving incase you are unsure
But wouldn’t you be able to hear whether or not you’ve pressed the right button?
@@smol_yoteYou will not, if you are deaf.
@@non7top nah at that point I want the bass rattling my seat. Free massage while I drive, no point in turning it off
In France years ago- when you Pass someone you have to honk, that is the reason why they put on on the stalk
This guy is one of the reasons why button have labels(not symbols)
Imagine someone getting really angry at a traffic jam and not only are they honking, you see their turn signals on randomly 😂
Happens all the time. To the point that I don't horn anymore. I just avoid etc
Time traveller: *Kicks rock*
The two things on the "Mute" button are to help blind drivers. Hope this helps👍
Is it a joke? How it can help? Also how a blind person can be a driver?
Of course. Their are not enough buttons in cars to assist blind drivers in my opinion. Good shout. 😊
You are one big bs😮
We need more blind drivers. When was the last time you heard of a blind person crashing?
@@jlc5639 better to compare ratios of accidents among blind drivers and among any drivers.
10/10 Doug short
Doug is the kinda guy to watch blues clues with his kid.
Doug is the type of guy that bobs his head to any music he hears
Doug slowly gained a britosh accent
Doug is a fantastic guy . Got his iconic styles .
you see, one mutes the radio and one is a self destruct for the radio
I had this solution in my old Skoda Favorit from 1995 but the whole stalk switch lever had to be pressed. Nice little feature to avoid accidental sounding of the horn, but a nightmare in situations where you actually had to use it quickly. You'd turn on direction indicators, wipers etc. - everything but the horn.
Doug is the type of guy that enjoys honking the horn on a Citroen!!! 🙄
There’s 2 buttons because the steering wheel is used on many other Citroens and there may well be a different function for that button on other models.
These are funnier in RHD because the horn is the passenger side. Mate had one and we used to beep the horn all the time. :P
The horn button on the 1983 Lynx was on the end of the turn signal lever also.
My grandad had this guy it never had anything wrong with with 230k miles.
"It even comes standard with a second mute button, for the wife."
Designer: “YOU DON’T GET IT DOUG! IT LOOKS BETTER WITH TWO BUTTONS! Anyway, I rest my case.”
"I am Mute" -Groot
Loads of cars had indicator horns.
The works horn ever.. can’t let out the anger right 😂
It's not a button It's a switch.
My dad had one of those. My favorite feature was the suspension. When the car got a bit older it took like a minute to "stand up" before you could start driving 😂
I like the golf cart horn :)
I had a 2001 Renault Clio and that had the horn on the end of the wiper stalk. If I had to hit it in a hurry, I'd sometimes just angrily turn my wipers on at people who cut me up.
That horn is normal on most old british cars 80s and before
Fun fact. Some manufacturers (particularly Ford) put the Horn on the turnstalk as they prepared for putting airbags into the steering wheels. For those who have suffered a hand injury in an accident when the airbag went off while pressing on the horn, that turnstalk thing wasn’t such a bad idea.
as a motorcycler rider, I like this
The horn on the stalk thing is actually pretty common on French cars of the 80s and 90s.
This is the same on some (or all) dacia cars, I don't know if it's all because I only ever saw a logan from inside. There you also have a few control elements in the steering wheel and the horn is in the little stick thing
We had 3 mute buttons on our old car's radio. "Unmute, soft mute, mute". It was really handy. Soft mute would take the volume down to a level where you could hear a person talking to you through the window - we used it all the time. I suppose you can guess the other two.
That horn button placement is just like a Vanhool coach bus hahaha
The Xantia V6 was a proper stealth rocket
The two mute buttons are for different length fingers. Longer fingers use the left while shorter or stout fingers use the right. Seems silly but back then commodities were a premium
Doug is the type of person to enjoy eating pancakes stacked on top of each other with butter on top covered in maple syrup
Fun fact about the mute button. Some of the models came with a stereo that had a LOUD function. And one of the buttons was there to instantly turn the music down instead of muting noise completely. Useful going from highway traffic to street traffic where noise would be lower.
In what world have you not come across multiple cars with the horn on a stalk? Was really common untill the end of the 90's
The first mute button is for the stereo, the other is when you start hearing doug talk.
I actually have kinda like the horn button. Cute little thing. Would probably have too much fun pressing it. XD
It’s better than the one where the boss stays in place and the rest of the wheel turns around it. Citroen spent too much time wondering if they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.
The horn on the light stalk is handy for warning people on country roads as you can horn and flash at the same time to warn people.
There’s two buttons for mute because it uses the same switch etc as the volume button. Which is fine because it’s cheaper to buy multiple of the same switch, easier to design, and easier to tool, whilst allowing different functionality of the design was ever altered in terms of what the button does (like when you get “blank” switches/spaces where a different spec of the same car actually has a feature).
Citroën is an enigma wrapped in a riddle.
French engineering that can never be replicated.
The 2nd Mute button, is MOOT!
As Homer Simpson once said
"I need a horn here here here and here you can never find enough horns when you're angry"
Doug, the Sheldon Cooper of cars.
My sisters clio has 3, yes 3 buttons for the horn. One one the end of the turn signal lever and one on either side of the steering wheel
I had a '78 Ford Fairmont the was very similar. You pushed in on the turn signal stem to honk the horn. I remember the steering wheel being very solid. It was a loaner that I had for 3 months while my Toyota was being repaired.
Citroen has put the horn button there since the 30s.
My 1978 Ford Fairmont had the horn on the turn indicator lever as well -- it wasn't a button, you just pushed the whole lever in (I guess the switch/button was in the steering column).
The 2nd mute button is for angry wife to keep her quiet 😂
i can't confirm this 100%, but being an EU trucker, i can think of a reason for the horn location.
most trucks in Europe, where that Citroen is from, have 2 horns, 1 freight horn, and 1 regular car style horn.
the freight horn for some trucks in Europe are operated by pressing a button on, or just pressing the center of, the steering wheel.
where you'd normally find your car horn.
the car style horn is, you guessed it, operated by pressing a button in the same location as the one in that Citroen Xantia.
Horn at the end of blinker is quite common to french cars, and not that bad of an idea if you think about it: Honking without taking your hands of the wheel.
And the mute button is of course some generic button - only differently labeled as used in different purposes. And most purposes do have 2 functions, such as up/down, on/off, right/left etc. Okay - "mute" happens to have only one function. Do they produce a special button for that? Course not.
we had one when I was a young teenager, the horn position was very unique and something I always remember, never known another car with the horn there
My cousin's AMC Javelin had the horn as the inner rim of the steering wheel. If calm and relaxed no problem, but tense up a bit and the horn would go off. Really a neat solution once you got used to it. The horn was always just a squeeze away.
The horn on most London buses is the same 😂
The driving test isn't that hard
The test:
With a LITTLE bit of knowing electrics, you can actually make ALL of the buttons on the steering wheel into a horn button. It just gets complicated when someone else drives your car and wants to hear some music.
This guy saw the mute button and said, "now THAT. THAT'S FUNNY."
One of the Most common Euro cars, the Renault Logan also has the horn on the turn signal lever's end.
I like Doug. He’s one of the most humble people I know😁
Two mute buttons are a life saver. One button is for the music. The second button is for your significant other.
Mute button is just probably reducing manufacturing costs.
Above it you have the volume up/rown button. Its cheaper to reuse the same button cap and switches, because you already have the design ready and you probably also have overwhelming supply of parts for that button
As a farmer, horn on the turn signal is common on tractors
My grandpa had this car, I always liked the horn button on the lever
The car i learnt to drive in! Nostagic haha
mute button was originally meant for muting the left and right side speakers individually
Very common for cars of the 70s and 80s to have the horn button on the stalk -- all GM's UK models did this.
If you think about it, in this car an angry person in heavy traffic will just pound their steering wheel and maybe really mute their music, but not cause disturbance for the others. And if they try to go for the small button on the side they will inevitable calm down a little because it requires a measure of focus and precision.
As for the super mute, it's because all the other buttons were twin buttons and it was cheaper and easier to just make the mute button same as others.
The other button on the mute is the permanent mute button, the car ejects the radio from where it is and the only way to get it back in place is with a mechanic
The best way I've heard someone describe French cars is that they're just like any other cars, but always just a little different in weird ways.
Stalk control horns used to be pretty common in Europe, I had a few motors with them back in the day.
Mute and real mute is a real thing! The mute was used to turn the music down to like 10%, and the real Mute actually muted. There was a term I'm sure some audiophile can tell me.
I used to like xantia It was a smooth car with pretty relaxing ride too sad we don't have them anymore
In 1995 almost no other cars have steering wheel control buttons for other functions like radio volume and cruise control.
Any older cars have these as well? For the young Doug, yes. Try Renault 25 from 1986.
Both of these are standard features in European cars
The 2 mute buttons are because the car doesn't have an extra feature that one of the mute buttons would be connected to
The horn button is like on the most newer tractors
The horn being there is actually better in my opinion. If you get in an accident while pressing the horn and the airbags go off, it's less of a hazard of breaking your arm and other bones.
the 2nd mute is for when the 1st mute breaks
Reminds me of 70's GM cars that had the horn as a button on the steering wheel spoke. Many times I jabbed at the wheel center desperately trying to sound the horn
While you make a valid point about the mute button, based on the shape of convex and concave one is mute while the other is unmute.
It's convoluted but it would make sense as to why it's there.
Due to this reason you probably just can't unmute by clicking the same button.
Mute and then really mute got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣