You know what’s crazy. Y’all’s could be using the cardo spirit and then have everyone connect to discord-infinite range, so as long as you have connection tho.
Yeah, I’ve heard that’s a popular thing to do in the states. Unfortunately here in NewZealand we have large parts of the country that don’t have cellular coverage
Thank you so much for this video! It was literaslly exacatly what I wanted to see. Full break down on the difference between each. Time to go get a NEO now.
Mate, a great quick review of the Cardo range. Well done and take a bow. I'm a sena convert to the Cardo Edge and so far I'm very happy with the unit. Oh, and a BIG thumbs 👍 up.
I've still got the packtalk Black. Didn't realize I've had it for so long. It's not even mentioned in their website anymore... hehehe. Just updated the firmware, hopefully it will continue to work for a few more years... these things ain't cheap.
Thank you for your time going over each device thoroughly. As a new rider this was the info I was looking for before going out and buying the device that fits my lifestyle!
thanks for the video. generally i just buy their top of the line but it's helpful breakdown. And good god i wish cardo would do some catalog reduction..
ONE IMPORTANT THING about the Neo is that the base and the unit itself isn't connected via the pins like in the spirit/2x/4x and edge/pro, I dont know about the custom one. The unit is connected by a wire, which means every time you want to charge it or store it away, you'll need to unplug the cable and walk around with a dangling cable. Do more research if you want to get more information or just go to a physical store to see the unit itself.
Thanks for the input, yes you are correct. I have covered the NEO indepth in this video. ua-cam.com/video/pULXKfGNMe8/v-deo.html and yes the Custom is plug-in like the Neo
Thank you for the nice comparison video. I was looking for exactly this because my recent cheap chinese comm gave out so was looking to upgrade to a better unit. I am a solo rider who listens to music on the go and at times gps directions or phone calls. In my setup, the device and the phone, both are connected to the motorcycle to use the hand controls. Which one out of the freecom 4x and Neo would be better. I am looking for battery life plus good speakers and good Bluetooth signal strength, because I have noticed that the Bluetooth signal on my motorcycle is very flaky to a point that if I tilt my head to the left, it starts cutting off. Also is the warranty same on the freecom 4x vs Neo vs Edge?
There could be an issue with the module in your bike. That said, I don’t think you can go wrong with a Packtalk Neo. I don’t use bike integrated Bluetooth as i have never owned a bike with it.
thank you for this, this is just what I needed, as a first time buyer its very confusing as to which model to buy, I have a Shoei Neotec 2 and im also looking at the Sena SRL2 which one would you buy, the Sena or the Cardo?
Thanks for setting all this out. I'm trying to buy my first Bluetooth intercom setup for an RX7V. Thinking about starting with the Spirit HD. Is the quality of audio more or less the same across the range? I'm really only interested in music and the occasional call. I don't need to connect with anyone. One constraint is that I wear custom injection moulded resin earplugs. Will the audio sound, quality and volume be ok ove the plugs? Does the diameter of the speaker make much difference - 32mm, 40mm, 45mm. Bigger better, I guess?
Could you confirm if the Freecom 4x is only IP65 rated? The Cardo website says it is. It's surprising that the Freecom 2x is IP 67, but the 4x is IP65.
Ys, 4x is ip65, 2x is ip67 Not sure why, the 6 is the dust ingress protection, where the 5/7 is the level of water ingress protection, given the 2x and 4x look almost identical I can’t see a reason for the difference.
Fantastic run down. I have a question though, I have mates on Interphone Bluetooth and Mesh 2 but also mates on Cardo DMC and Bluetooth, I really like the quality look of the Cardo units, can I talk on the Cardo to my mates on interphone? I’m lead to believe Interphone and Sena use the same protocol?
You can connect all the brands you have mentioned using Bluetooth intercom. Only Cardo can talk to Cardo via DMC, and only Sena can talk to Sena via mesh.
Thanks for this review! My use case is motorcycle holidays with me and just one mate. We now have quite old Cardo systems and I'm really disappointed with how well we can understand eachother when talking. Sound quality of the music is quite excellent, so I don't think the speaker quality is to blame. Is there a significant difference in the speech sound quality of the different models? I basically want the best speech sound quality possible for two people, but rather not pay for all these extra features if that does not improve the sound quality of the communication.
@ That's good to hear! What about between the models you reviewed? I assume no difference between the Neo and Edge? The only difference is the magnetic attachment, right? And is there a difference between the new, but cheaper models and the Neo? The cheaper models don't have the 2nd generation DMC right? But it's unclear to me if that affects speech sound quality, or if it just allows you to connect to more riders... Could you enlighten me? So I can choose the model with the best speech sound quality for two riders with the friendliest price?
Great breakdown, thanks. Now the new Edge Pro is out, do you think Cardo have a new update/replacement up their sleeve for the Spirit/Freecom lines too?
Thanks for the great video and offering to answer questions. I'm keen on the Packtalk Edge. Is the conversation between rider and pillion private? Do other Packtalk users automatically join your 'network' or do they need to be given access or permission to join? Thank you.
Hi, I’ve bought the Cardo 4x and had connection issues from day one. I’ve been told by the company reps here in Oz that it is due to bad mobile service. Is this correct? What is the point of an adventure communication system if it needs mobile reception?
@@ATrailLessTrodden connection between units has nothing to do with phone reception. reset both to factory settings, ensure both have latest firstware and try again.
I‘m getting the Shoei NXR2 and Cardo PackTalk Edge next week. Would you say that the sound quality for music on the Freecom 4x and the PackTalk Edge is the same or is one better than the other? Very nice video btw :)
Many thanks for a such an informative video. This is the first video I've seen from your channel. I've been researching intercoms as I'm starting out into biking and don't want to waste money in a field where it's possible to spend money like water and still not get want you want or need. You have a new subscriber! I have a question: Which of these intercoms, if any, conform to the new OBI standard? OBI is the Open Bluetooth Intercom standard launched by Cardo, Uclear and Midland to eliminate cross-brand incompatibility. Maybe a (follow-up?) video about this new standard would be helpful? Edit: There is also UCS, which is the 'Universal Communications Solution'. This practically standardizes the size and shape of the intercom. One advantage is that it will allow integrated assembly into new ECE 22.06 motorcycle helmets. It will also allow riders to freely choose communication devices without compromising the helmet fit and appearance.
i've been following the developments you speak of, but I dont think anything has been released yet. that said, the Intercom channels on Cardo products can connect to off brand intercoms now too.
All wiring and mounting parts are included Packtalk pro was released after this video was produced Cardo Packtalk Pro | First Look | 4K ua-cam.com/video/izSuAMn2pYs/v-deo.html
Great video but as a rider who had done 1000's of miles without these my question is how do they compare to noise canceling apple airpods or samsung eaeplugs (which i use). Tbe samsung is my goto for basic noise cancelation from helment wind, then as extra benefit i can do music etc. Does a cardo install have noise cancelation to remove the need for earplugs or is it for very very quite helme ts.
No Cardo does noise cancellation, they have speakers, not ear plugs. They are for listening to music and communications in helmet. I’ve never been able to keep airbuds in my ears when putting my helmet on…. Cardo speakers are installed in the lining of the helmet so no need to worry.
Do you know if there is a new release coming up, considering the Edge was released 2022? I'm debating whether I should wait for a new release or buy the Edge..
I doubt there will be a significant replacement for the Edge any time soon. Cardo ran the Packtalk Bold for close to 10 years. Technology is always moving forward, and cardo are releasing updates for their devices as they go, but the fundamental hardware components of the Edge have not advanced that much as yet.
If i bought the 2x for my pillion and the neo for me, is it possible to connect the 2x to the neo so the pillion can listen in or join the packtalk conversations. I'm just trying to save some money as my pillion will not require packtalk very often, if at all.
Thank you for the video! So helpfull 💪💪💪 i was thinking to buy the spirit DUO because i am really on budget, for me and my partner, do you think we can have a good communication while travelling or it will be difficult to talk to each other?
Hay mate great video just a quick question i only need to pair with the missus on the back but id like to pair to a Bluetooth controller on the handlebars what would be the best option for me mate and also want the best sound/speakers
My biggest question that I cannot find an answer to anywhere: The Neo can connect 15 riders. Do all 15 riders have to also have a neo? Can you connect 5 riders if only 1 person has a neo, and the other 4 have a Freecom4x?
Neo can connect to 15 riders via DMC. Those riders also need to have DMC. So they need to be running Neo or Edge. Neo does have 2 Bluetooth intercom channels. These are what you would need to use to connect to riders running Freecom.
Thanks for the video I have not seen this channel before. I am struggling with what Cardio to get. I ride mostly by myself and love listening to music. I am now started to ride with a small group of friends and we are looking for a set we can all use together what is the biggest choice to price option?
I remember reading somewhere that the Cardo packtalk edge can bridge in other bluetooth devices into the DMC network. For example 5 riders using the edge, 1 rider using the spirit. The spirit connects to 1 of the edge via bluetooth and can be bridged into the DMC network to talk to the other 4 edge riders. Anyone has any experience on this?
Great video. I was looking to buy a neo but i ride solo and only want to use it for music and phonecalls. So is the Spirit enough. ?!?. What about the speakers in the HD vs JBL ? is the upgrade worth it ?
All I want is to be able to talk between 4 people in my Sxs what option should I choose oh and I want to use the over the head headphones too! Thoughts ?
You could use any of the line up from cardo. and all work with standard plugin headphones. however you might want to look at the Outdoor range of products as they do a set specifically for SXS.
@@hutch2405 lol youtube deleted my comment. My buddy has a Cardo and after struggling to pair my Sena to his device (successfully, but annoyingly), I'm looking to switch.
Great video - thank you. I have a question: are the different bluetooth models compatible with each other? I am looking for a Freecom2x for myself for better audio quality and would get the SpiritHD for my partner, as she does not ride with me that frequently. Would both of them be able to communicate?
Buying a AGV Helmet with the "Insyde" system, which I am told IS a Cardo system! Great! But, She-who-sits-behind-me, my love, need a comm system as well. What to buy? She has a Shoei-non-flip-helmet. She needs Phone, music, talk to me and maybe one other bike with Cardo system and max two riders. Is the Insyde system crap? Should I get a standalone system from Cardo in some duopack? Riding a GS and using an iPhone. It seems to me you really knows this jungle. Appreciate your input (and other folks here). PS. Love that Kiwi dialect!
I'm on the fence between the Edge, Neo and Freecom 4x. My issue with the Edge is that the magnetic mount seems to make it stick out a little too far from the helmet. Can you comment as to whether the Neo sticks out less far than the Edge given it uses the older clicky mount?
The mounts for the Neo and edge are physically identical, apart from the magnets embedded in the edge mount. Are you worried it will get caught on something? Or thinking it sticks out and will catch the wind?
@@MotoNZ Thanks a mil for the reply! It's more the latter which I'm thinking of r.e. turbulence at speed - from what I've seen of the Edge so far it seems to be quite bulky, especially in comparison to the likes of the Freecom 4x?
I have a question about the edge. When you get a phone call does it cut the other rider off? Can I inform the other rider I’m getting a call or does it disconnect the other rider?
We have the Cardo pack talk bold and they won’t let us communicate when a call comes in. Is there something in the settings or did they change that with the edge? We are going to buy new communication devices but want to make sure that I can notify my husband of a call coming in instead of being cut off like we are currently experiencing with the Pack talk bold. Thank you for your previous response.
@@pamflanigan6392 Well the Bold is pretty old tech these days and not getting any further updates, you'll me amazed at the increase in quality when you move to the edge.
Say I get 4x am I able to talk to people who have other cardo or is it specific to the one we buy. So basically would I be able to talk to edge while I have 4x
How do they compare/map to the Sena line? How (un)complicated is it for a single Sena user to mesh-talk with a single Cardo user ? Thank you for this video.
Sena and Cardo cant talk to each other via Mesh or DMC, they can only connect via bluetooth. what you can do is have one from the Sena group and one from the cardo group connected via bluetooth and bridge the two groups together.
Hi there. Thank you for your videos! We've tried a few other brands of intercom/bluetooth devices. None of them have good to any sound quality whether with intercom between driver and pilion or bluetooth with phone, over 60 km/h (37 miles/h). We're using full faced helmets. Will the Cardo Packtalk Edge work for us? Thanks!
In my experience, Cardo's Packtalk Neo, Edge and Pro offer clear "wideband" audio via DMC, and more than enough volume to use on the open road with or without earplugs.
I'm very new to this. How does the compatibility work between models? If I get a packtalk, can I connect to someone on a different model? (assuming it's a Cardo)
There are 2 different connection protocols built into a packtalk rdge. DMC also known as mesh. This will only connect to another packtalk unit Bluetooth intercom This can connect to any device.
Can someone explain to me what is meant by “you can only connect to X amount of people”? Does that mean these don’t work with normal group phone calls?
Each device has a certain number of Bluetooth intercom channels. these are point to point. so if the device has 2 Bluetooth intercom channels, you can only connect to 2 other riders. If the device has DMC or Mesh, it can talk to up to 15 riders on that one connection.
Bought a freecom 4+ 3years ago Duopack on sale for 307€. Done about 55.000km on that. Plan to upgrade to a Packtalk Slim DuoPack on sale for 350€ The missing dynamic mesh with the freecom is starting to get on my nerves when riding tours with friends
I have a spirit HD looking to get a neo, but i boight a new mount recently. I know ill need a new mount since they are shaped differnetly but are the headphones and mic the same or different? I have the jbl 2.0s
Hello, I tried my Freecom 4 (the old version) paired with my GoPro 12, but I got bad audio quality and unwanted cuts. Can you please tell me which device I can use for moto vlogging? Thank you.
Can i link with other friends using other brands if i using cardo packtalk? And im in a biker group about 30+ bike bikers,which packtalk to choose custom/neo/edge
The whole Mesh Bluetooth thing is a pain in the behind. 30 riders in one group would be nigh on impossible to create and manage unless you use data and a zoom conference. You can connect Packtalk Bluetooth to almost any other Bluetooth unit. Sena is the stubborn one. We have a group of 6 with 5 PackTalk units, two of them are on pillions which is a waste, but they bought pairs. I have a Bluetooth on my pillion helmet is fine. Good on a ride being lead rider talking to middle and tail end riders. You’ll always have a diehard that refuses to buy into it. Only difference between Neo and Edge is the mounting system, Neo clips Edge is magnetic (or is it the other way around. :-P.) I’d avoid Custom it’s cheaper but you pay a subscription for the features you want to install.
probably just the Spirit... I didnt notice much of a difference moving up to the HD. I think the helmet makes more difference to the sound than the speakers them selves.
Thank you so much! Great video! With the dmc and Bluetooth connection does that mean it doesn’t matter if other rides have cardo, senna , inset alternative brand here, it will still work as long as theirs operated on dmc/bluetooth as well?
Do you find a major sound quality difference between Spirit HD and the top tiers? And if so, does this change with the JBL 45mm speaker upgrade? (I‘m mainly interested in music, not intercom)
Also I’m in the same dilemma, a colleague of mine bought the Edge and the JBL speakers sounded flat and tinny, fitted to a Shoei GT Air 3, a disappointment given that JBL speakers in my cars and Bluetooth portable systems sound really great. And because my soon to be delivered Africa Twin mandates an intercom I need to buy something just for music and to gain access to all the features that she has on offer.
I'm going to go against the grain here and recommend you don't get a cardo. The software is extremely clunky and does not function well between iPhone and Android users.
You know what’s crazy. Y’all’s could be using the cardo spirit and then have everyone connect to discord-infinite range, so as long as you have connection tho.
Yeah, I’ve heard that’s a popular thing to do in the states.
Unfortunately here in NewZealand we have large parts of the country that don’t have cellular coverage
I believe you drop this my king 👑
You mean like connecting your phone to the discord app? Have you done that before and if so how has it worked for you?
@@spronklez i do it all the time, even to play video games with friends. The sounds quality is damn good too! 🤙
My only question is the x2 speakers better then spirit HD and is it worth the price jump
Thank you so much for this video! It was literaslly exacatly what I wanted to see. Full break down on the difference between each. Time to go get a NEO now.
Mate, a great quick review of the Cardo range. Well done and take a bow. I'm a sena convert to the Cardo Edge and so far I'm very happy with the unit. Oh, and a BIG thumbs 👍 up.
I've still got the packtalk Black. Didn't realize I've had it for so long. It's not even mentioned in their website anymore... hehehe. Just updated the firmware, hopefully it will continue to work for a few more years... these things ain't cheap.
Just wanted to thank you for this video. Exactly what I was looking for as a new rider
Glad I could help!
Thank you for your time going over each device thoroughly. As a new rider this was the info I was looking for before going out and buying the device that fits my lifestyle!
Very welcome!
Exactly what I was looking for, all the models were so confusing but you made it easy to understand. Thank you lots!
Much appreciated for the detailed breakdown mate. Now I'm stuck between the packtalk Neo and Edge
What a great video. Clear information and I appreciated your going over the models again at the end!
I like your collection of iPods! 📱
Been looking for a video like this! Thanks man! Definitely subscribing.
Awesome, thank you!
Great overview, thx
Ordered the Packtalk Edge dual units box a few days ago...
Going to use with our Snowmobile helmets.
straight to the point and very informative! amazing work
This is a great video, I live in NZ too so thats just awesome.
Amazing. Thank you.
thanks for the video. generally i just buy their top of the line but it's helpful breakdown. And good god i wish cardo would do some catalog reduction..
great video thanks
Bless you my good sir !
ONE IMPORTANT THING about the Neo is that the base and the unit itself isn't connected via the pins like in the spirit/2x/4x and edge/pro, I dont know about the custom one. The unit is connected by a wire, which means every time you want to charge it or store it away, you'll need to unplug the cable and walk around with a dangling cable. Do more research if you want to get more information or just go to a physical store to see the unit itself.
Thanks for the input, yes you are correct.
I have covered the NEO indepth in this video.
ua-cam.com/video/pULXKfGNMe8/v-deo.html
and yes the Custom is plug-in like the Neo
Fun fact the spirit had had JBL speakers they are programmed differently than the branded JBL speakers as I've been told by our cardo rep
Where’s the pack talk outdoor
Good Clip i still get the bold duo for €200 the Edge single is around €400
Amazing video just what i needed 🎉
Glad I could help
Really usefull. Thank you
thanks !
Thank you for the nice comparison video. I was looking for exactly this because my recent cheap chinese comm gave out so was looking to upgrade to a better unit. I am a solo rider who listens to music on the go and at times gps directions or phone calls. In my setup, the device and the phone, both are connected to the motorcycle to use the hand controls. Which one out of the freecom 4x and Neo would be better. I am looking for battery life plus good speakers and good Bluetooth signal strength, because I have noticed that the Bluetooth signal on my motorcycle is very flaky to a point that if I tilt my head to the left, it starts cutting off. Also is the warranty same on the freecom 4x vs Neo vs Edge?
There could be an issue with the module in your bike. That said, I don’t think you can go wrong with a Packtalk Neo.
I don’t use bike integrated Bluetooth as i have never owned a bike with it.
thank you for this, this is just what I needed, as a first time buyer its very confusing as to which model to buy, I have a Shoei Neotec 2 and im also looking at the Sena SRL2 which one would you buy, the Sena or the Cardo?
Cardo, hands down.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for setting all this out. I'm trying to buy my first Bluetooth intercom setup for an RX7V. Thinking about starting with the Spirit HD. Is the quality of audio more or less the same across the range? I'm really only interested in music and the occasional call. I don't need to connect with anyone. One constraint is that I wear custom injection moulded resin earplugs. Will the audio sound, quality and volume be ok ove the plugs? Does the diameter of the speaker make much difference - 32mm, 40mm, 45mm. Bigger better, I guess?
Spirit HD should be fine for you. Yea bigger speakers can be louder. But I think you’ll be fine with spirit.
Can the 2x connect to a phone and garmin GPS at the same time?
Yes. There are 2x Bluetooth device channels.
@MotoNZ bought one today. Thanks for the video.
Could you confirm if the Freecom 4x is only IP65 rated? The Cardo website says it is. It's surprising that the Freecom 2x is IP 67, but the 4x is IP65.
Ys, 4x is ip65, 2x is ip67
Not sure why, the 6 is the dust ingress protection, where the 5/7 is the level of water ingress protection, given the 2x and 4x look almost identical I can’t see a reason for the difference.
@@MotoNZ Thank you for confirming.
Fantastic run down. I have a question though, I have mates on Interphone Bluetooth and Mesh 2 but also mates on Cardo DMC and Bluetooth, I really like the quality look of the Cardo units, can I talk on the Cardo to my mates on interphone? I’m lead to believe Interphone and Sena use the same protocol?
You can connect all the brands you have mentioned using Bluetooth intercom. Only Cardo can talk to Cardo via DMC, and only Sena can talk to Sena via mesh.
Thanks for this review!
My use case is motorcycle holidays with me and just one mate. We now have quite old Cardo systems and I'm really disappointed with how well we can understand eachother when talking. Sound quality of the music is quite excellent, so I don't think the speaker quality is to blame.
Is there a significant difference in the speech sound quality of the different models? I basically want the best speech sound quality possible for two people, but rather not pay for all these extra features if that does not improve the sound quality of the communication.
Absolutely.
Going from the packtalk bold to the packtalk edge is night and day when talking voice quality
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That's good to hear!
What about between the models you reviewed?
I assume no difference between the Neo and Edge? The only difference is the magnetic attachment, right?
And is there a difference between the new, but cheaper models and the Neo?
The cheaper models don't have the 2nd generation DMC right? But it's unclear to me if that affects speech sound quality, or if it just allows you to connect to more riders...
Could you enlighten me? So I can choose the model with the best speech sound quality for two riders with the friendliest price?
Edge, Neo, pro are all on the same level with mesh 2.0
Go for one of these for the best experience
@@MotoNZ
Thanks, I will. Found a good deal on the Neo today. Will go for it.
Great breakdown, thanks. Now the new Edge Pro is out, do you think Cardo have a new update/replacement up their sleeve for the Spirit/Freecom lines too?
I double they will do much with the Spirit or Freecom
@@MotoNZ Ah cool, thanks for the reply. 👍
Thanks for the great video and offering to answer questions. I'm keen on the Packtalk Edge. Is the conversation between rider and pillion private? Do other Packtalk users automatically join your 'network' or do they need to be given access or permission to join?
Thank you.
Using packtalk, only people who are paired with you can communicate with you.
You can create a private channel in a group. Set your pillion up as a private press a button and only talk to that one.
Interesting!
Hi, I’ve bought the Cardo 4x and had connection issues from day one. I’ve been told by the company reps here in Oz that it is due to bad mobile service. Is this correct?
What is the point of an adventure communication system if it needs mobile reception?
Connection problems between comms units? Or between comms and phone?
@@MotoNZ Between units. Connection to the phones are great! Sorry should’ve made that clearer.
@@ATrailLessTrodden connection between units has nothing to do with phone reception.
reset both to factory settings, ensure both have latest firstware and try again.
@@MotoNZ you’ve already given me more useful info than the Cardo rep in Australia. And that is even having my units with them for two weeks!
I‘m getting the Shoei NXR2 and Cardo PackTalk Edge next week. Would you say that the sound quality for music on the Freecom 4x and the PackTalk Edge is the same or is one better than the other? Very nice video btw :)
well the 4x and the edge use the same 40mm jbl speaker so they will sound the same
Many thanks for a such an informative video. This is the first video I've seen from your channel. I've been researching intercoms as I'm starting out into biking and don't want to waste money in a field where it's possible to spend money like water and still not get want you want or need. You have a new subscriber!
I have a question: Which of these intercoms, if any, conform to the new OBI standard? OBI is the Open Bluetooth Intercom standard launched by Cardo, Uclear and Midland to eliminate cross-brand incompatibility. Maybe a (follow-up?) video about this new standard would be helpful?
Edit: There is also UCS, which is the 'Universal Communications Solution'. This practically standardizes the size and shape of the intercom. One advantage is that it will allow integrated assembly into new ECE 22.06 motorcycle helmets. It will also allow riders to freely choose communication devices without compromising the helmet fit and appearance.
i've been following the developments you speak of, but I dont think anything has been released yet.
that said, the Intercom channels on Cardo products can connect to off brand intercoms now too.
Do you need to buy the wiring kit separately? And also is there a packtalk pro?
All wiring and mounting parts are included
Packtalk pro was released after this video was produced
Cardo Packtalk Pro | First Look | 4K
ua-cam.com/video/izSuAMn2pYs/v-deo.html
Great video but as a rider who had done 1000's of miles without these my question is how do they compare to noise canceling apple airpods or samsung eaeplugs (which i use).
Tbe samsung is my goto for basic noise cancelation from helment wind, then as extra benefit i can do music etc. Does a cardo install have noise cancelation to remove the need for earplugs or is it for very very quite helme ts.
No Cardo does noise cancellation, they have speakers, not ear plugs. They are for listening to music and communications in helmet. I’ve never been able to keep airbuds in my ears when putting my helmet on…. Cardo speakers are installed in the lining of the helmet so no need to worry.
Which one would you buy as a first time rider
Depends what sort of riding I was doing and what I wanted to do with it.
Will the spirit HD provide turn by turn GPS through your phone.?
Yes
Do you know if there is a new release coming up, considering the Edge was released 2022? I'm debating whether I should wait for a new release or buy the Edge..
I doubt there will be a significant replacement for the Edge any time soon. Cardo ran the Packtalk Bold for close to 10 years.
Technology is always moving forward, and cardo are releasing updates for their devices as they go, but the fundamental hardware components of the Edge have not advanced that much as yet.
@@MotoNZ Thank you for the quick reply. Much appreciated!
Looks like you have every iPod model ever made on your shelf! You’re missing the 2 Shuffles
@@CMFS101good spotting.
I do have a few shuffles, just not on display.
I’m missing a gen 1 iPod classic though if you know of anyone with one…😂
If i bought the 2x for my pillion and the neo for me, is it possible to connect the 2x to the neo so the pillion can listen in or join the packtalk conversations. I'm just trying to save some money as my pillion will not require packtalk very often, if at all.
Yes, connect the x2 and neo via Bluetooth intercom and bridge the x2 in on the DMC group
Do you know if one can listen to the bike's sound system and still be able to talk to other riders simultaneously?
Generally yes this is possible, though i have no experience with any integrated bike systems.
Thank you for the video! So helpfull 💪💪💪 i was thinking to buy the spirit DUO because i am really on budget, for me and my partner, do you think we can have a good communication while travelling or it will be difficult to talk to each other?
That should be fine if you’re both on the same bike.
Hay mate great video just a quick question i only need to pair with the missus on the back but id like to pair to a Bluetooth controller on the handlebars what would be the best option for me mate and also want the best sound/speakers
You could get away with a pair of Spirit HD unit’s, but I’d go more for the Freecom x2
@MotoNZ thanks mate
My biggest question that I cannot find an answer to anywhere: The Neo can connect 15 riders. Do all 15 riders have to also have a neo? Can you connect 5 riders if only 1 person has a neo, and the other 4 have a Freecom4x?
Neo can connect to 15 riders via DMC. Those riders also need to have DMC. So they need to be running Neo or Edge.
Neo does have 2 Bluetooth intercom channels. These are what you would need to use to connect to riders running Freecom.
Thanks for the video I have not seen this channel before. I am struggling with what Cardio to get. I ride mostly by myself and love listening to music. I am now started to ride with a small group of friends and we are looking for a set we can all use together what is the biggest choice to price option?
If you have intentions of riding as a group then packtalk edge or neo is the way to go.
@@MotoNZ thank you for you advice much appreciated
Hey
Can you recommend a cardo system for jet boating im looking at the cardo out door attached to ski helmets
So i can freely talk to passengers
Yep that or the edge phones would be the go.
It would have been helpful with pricing?
Pricing changes all the time and is different in each country
I remember reading somewhere that the Cardo packtalk edge can bridge in other bluetooth devices into the DMC network. For example 5 riders using the edge, 1 rider using the spirit. The spirit connects to 1 of the edge via bluetooth and can be bridged into the DMC network to talk to the other 4 edge riders. Anyone has any experience on this?
Yes, this is correct. Though remember the Bluetooth connection is the weakest point and prone to interruption
It's posible to Connect a Edge and a Spirit?
Yes, but via Bluetooth intercom only. Not DMC/Mesh
Thanks for the vid! Do they connect with non cardo users too?
Via Bluetooth? Yes
Great video. I was looking to buy a neo but i ride solo and only want to use it for music and phonecalls. So is the Spirit enough. ?!?. What about the speakers in the HD vs JBL ? is the upgrade worth it ?
Yeah if group riding is not important to you then spirit is all you need. There is a difference between spirit and spirit Hd, I’d get the HD.
All I want is to be able to talk between 4 people in my Sxs what option should I choose oh and I want to use the over the head headphones too! Thoughts ?
You could use any of the line up from cardo. and all work with standard plugin headphones. however you might want to look at the Outdoor range of products as they do a set specifically for SXS.
I love the edge, Harley finally partnered with Cardo. Hands down best Bluetooth com over-all.
Couldn't give half a rip for Harley lmao but I'm sick of Sena's garbage so I need to look at these
@@Hawk7886 the Cardo packtalk Edge is fucking awesome, that's all I have to say.
@@hutch2405 my buddy has a Cardo and while we were able to get my Sena to work it was a pain and I'm tired of their garbage. Can't wait to switch lol
@@hutch2405 lol youtube deleted my comment. My buddy has a Cardo and after struggling to pair my Sena to his device (successfully, but annoyingly), I'm looking to switch.
Great video - thank you. I have a question: are the different bluetooth models compatible with each other? I am looking for a Freecom2x for myself for better audio quality and would get the SpiritHD for my partner, as she does not ride with me that frequently. Would both of them be able to communicate?
Yes, both will connect over the Bluetooth intercom channel.
Buying a AGV Helmet with the "Insyde" system, which I am told IS a Cardo system! Great! But, She-who-sits-behind-me, my love, need a comm system as well. What to buy? She has a Shoei-non-flip-helmet. She needs Phone, music, talk to me and maybe one other bike with Cardo system and max two riders.
Is the Insyde system crap? Should I get a standalone system from Cardo in some duopack? Riding a GS and using an iPhone.
It seems to me you really knows this jungle. Appreciate your input (and other folks here).
PS. Love that Kiwi dialect!
I'm on the fence between the Edge, Neo and Freecom 4x. My issue with the Edge is that the magnetic mount seems to make it stick out a little too far from the helmet. Can you comment as to whether the Neo sticks out less far than the Edge given it uses the older clicky mount?
The mounts for the Neo and edge are physically identical, apart from the magnets embedded in the edge mount.
Are you worried it will get caught on something? Or thinking it sticks out and will catch the wind?
@@MotoNZ Thanks a mil for the reply!
It's more the latter which I'm thinking of r.e. turbulence at speed - from what I've seen of the Edge so far it seems to be quite bulky, especially in comparison to the likes of the Freecom 4x?
I have a question about the edge. When you get a phone call does it cut the other rider off? Can I inform the other rider I’m getting a call or does it disconnect the other rider?
while the phone is ringing you can still talk to the other rider, but as soon as you answer it pauses the dmc group.
We have the Cardo pack talk bold and they won’t let us communicate when a call comes in. Is there something in the settings or did they change that with the edge? We are going to buy new communication devices but want to make sure that I can notify my husband of a call coming in instead of being cut off like we are currently experiencing with the Pack talk bold. Thank you for your previous response.
@@pamflanigan6392 Well the Bold is pretty old tech these days and not getting any further updates, you'll me amazed at the increase in quality when you move to the edge.
Say I get 4x am I able to talk to people who have other cardo or is it specific to the one we buy. So basically would I be able to talk to edge while I have 4x
4X only has Bluetooth intercom channels. so can talk to anyone via that Prootocol. Edge, Neo, Custom and Pro all have DMC/Mesh and Bluetooth intercom.
Should i get the new pro that came out or stick to the edge
That’s a lot of money to spend, I’m not going to tell you to buy it, I’ve not even seen one yet, or any reviews.
Can cardo spirit connected to my go pro 12 camera via bluetooth? 🤔
Yep. Should be fine
@@MotoNZ thanks for your swift reply. Ride safe!
So, only the packtalk generation can connect to two bluetooth devices? For example one mobilephone and your motorcycle tft (like honda roadsync)?
The Freecom has the ability to connect to 2 devices also.
My Spirit HD connects to Phone and Garmin GPS unit at the same time, however i am not shure, can it connect to other rider in this scenario.
Spirit can connect to 2 devices and 2 Bluetooth intercoms at the same time.
Correction Spirit can connect only to 1 intercom and 2 bluetooth devices.
How do they compare/map to the Sena line? How (un)complicated is it for a single Sena user to mesh-talk with a single Cardo user ? Thank you for this video.
Sena and Cardo cant talk to each other via Mesh or DMC, they can only connect via bluetooth.
what you can do is have one from the Sena group and one from the cardo group connected via bluetooth and bridge the two groups together.
Hey. I have a fairly loud harley and my main issue is being able to hear my music. Can any of these help?
I happily use all of these while riding with earplugs. Should be fine.
Hi there. Thank you for your videos! We've tried a few other brands of intercom/bluetooth devices. None of them have good to any sound quality whether with intercom between driver and pilion or bluetooth with phone, over 60 km/h (37 miles/h). We're using full faced helmets. Will the Cardo Packtalk Edge work for us? Thanks!
In my experience, Cardo's Packtalk Neo, Edge and Pro offer clear "wideband" audio via DMC, and more than enough volume to use on the open road with or without earplugs.
I have a question about the edge and Spirit.
Can both the unit communicate between the Edge and Spirit?
Yes, via Bluetooth only.
Is the Spirit waterproof?
Yes
Hey Bru, where did you buy the Edge from? in in Christchurch, NZ also what do you use for a phone mount? cheers
CMG stock the Cardo Packtalk Edge in Chch.
I use Quadlock for a phone mount, loads of videos on this channel.
Thanks for watching. 👍
Is it same cardo custom n neo??
Watch the whole video
4x or Neo. Neo isn't a lot more in price, but seems to give you a lot more intercom, but I don't often ride in big groups.
If you can afford it, get the Neo.
More options.
@MotoNZ Thanks. Black Friday sales are on. Neo seems like good value.
I'm very new to this. How does the compatibility work between models?
If I get a packtalk, can I connect to someone on a different model? (assuming it's a Cardo)
There are 2 different connection protocols built into a packtalk rdge.
DMC also known as mesh.
This will only connect to another packtalk unit
Bluetooth intercom
This can connect to any device.
@@MotoNZ awesome. Thanks so much. Learnt a lot from your videos!
Which ones will let you record audio?
edge can ithink freecom could doit too
your phone can record audio, are you below 80 IQ?
Can someone explain to me what is meant by “you can only connect to X amount of people”?
Does that mean these don’t work with normal group phone calls?
Each device has a certain number of Bluetooth intercom channels. these are point to point. so if the device has 2 Bluetooth intercom channels, you can only connect to 2 other riders.
If the device has DMC or Mesh, it can talk to up to 15 riders on that one connection.
Bought a freecom 4+ 3years ago
Duopack on sale for 307€. Done about 55.000km on that. Plan to upgrade to a Packtalk Slim DuoPack on sale for 350€
The missing dynamic mesh with the freecom is starting to get on my nerves when riding tours with friends
Don’t get the slim, it’s old technology. You will see a massive improvement in audio quality if you go for a packtalk edge, Neo or pro.
If i have 2/3 buddies with Spirit HD, can i connect with them using Packtalk Neo, and keep connection with my phone??
There are 2 Bluetooth device channels and 2 Bluetooth intercom channels. If you need more connections they need to be DMC.
600 thumbs up here!
I have a spirit HD looking to get a neo, but i boight a new mount recently. I know ill need a new mount since they are shaped differnetly but are the headphones and mic the same or different? I have the jbl 2.0s
Yeah pretty much the same.
Hello, I tried my Freecom 4 (the old version) paired with my GoPro 12, but I got bad audio quality and unwanted cuts. Can you please tell me which device I can use for moto vlogging? Thank you.
Can’t beat the packtalk edge.
Can i link with other friends using other brands if i using cardo packtalk? And im in a biker group about 30+ bike bikers,which packtalk to choose custom/neo/edge
The whole Mesh Bluetooth thing is a pain in the behind. 30 riders in one group would be nigh on impossible to create and manage unless you use data and a zoom conference. You can connect Packtalk Bluetooth to almost any other Bluetooth unit. Sena is the stubborn one.
We have a group of 6 with 5 PackTalk units, two of them are on pillions which is a waste, but they bought pairs. I have a Bluetooth on my pillion helmet is fine. Good on a ride being lead rider talking to middle and tail end riders. You’ll always have a diehard that refuses to buy into it.
Only difference between Neo and Edge is the mounting system, Neo clips Edge is magnetic (or is it the other way around. :-P.) I’d avoid Custom it’s cheaper but you pay a subscription for the features you want to install.
What would you pick spirit or hd???
probably just the Spirit... I didnt notice much of a difference moving up to the HD.
I think the helmet makes more difference to the sound than the speakers them selves.
Thank you so much! Great video!
With the dmc and Bluetooth connection does that mean it doesn’t matter if other rides have cardo, senna , inset alternative brand here, it will still work as long as theirs operated on dmc/bluetooth as well?
Ide like to know this
Only Cardo can connect to Cardo via DMC. But you can connect to any other brand via Bluetooth
Thanks so much once again! Bloody legend! :D
more importantly - which iPod - I see we have been through a few...
Packtalk neo is best one
Do you find a major sound quality difference between Spirit HD and the top tiers? And if so, does this change with the JBL 45mm speaker upgrade? (I‘m mainly interested in music, not intercom)
If it’s just for music the. Buy the spirit HD.
I didn’t notice a massive difference
@@MotoNZ Thank you!
Also I’m in the same dilemma, a colleague of mine bought the Edge and the JBL speakers sounded flat and tinny, fitted to a Shoei GT Air 3, a disappointment given that JBL speakers in my cars and Bluetooth portable systems sound really great. And because my soon to be delivered Africa Twin mandates an intercom I need to buy something just for music and to gain access to all the features that she has on offer.
Oh on god? Entry leevil? And it peers to another device?
Good on ya.... I'm from New Zealand... do you know where that is?
Delete Bluetooth from the title and it’s a pretty good review.
Packtalk mesh and the rest being Bluetooth are like chalk n cheese.
All the devices have both Bluetooth intercom and Bluetooth phone connectivity.
We think Bluetooth in the title is reasonably accurate
@@MotoNZ Add Mesh in the title, it’ll be 100% accurate. 😊
I'm going to go against the grain here and recommend you don't get a cardo. The software is extremely clunky and does not function well between iPhone and Android users.
What do you mean “between iPhone and android users?”
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Dont get sucked in to buying these overpriced units. Buy Fodsports for a fraction of the price.
You’re kidding right?
Fodsports are Bluetooth only, not waterproof, battery life is crap, just cheap.
so whats the best choice if im only using for good quality music
Probably any freecom Cardo, because it has 40 mm JBL speakers