Not 15 but 9 riders all on Packtalk bold's. It's surprisingly quiet. Cardo's noise cancelling works very well. Years ago this same group all had Sena 20s comms and they were a disaster. Never could get the whole group connected and even with just 4 riders the environment was very noisy. BTW, never really had an issue with voice commands on the Bold...
Seriously considered upgrading from black to edge, but the major let down was the absence of mounting kits (not including the speakers/microphone). Since I've already invested audio kits for the bold/black on my other helmets, as much as I would like to upgrade, the my existing mounts won't be usable. They only sell mounts with the whole audio set. Would be great to simply reuse the speakers and microphones and just replace the mount/cradle itself.
Update on this, they now sell the cradle by itself, glue mount, and clip mount on their website. Finally had my other mounts upgraded without having to change the microphone and speakers.
Got the edge for almost a month now. Loving the look and sound quality. Having a bit of trouble with the mic positioning for siri and comms, but I'm still switch the positions to trial and error. The rubber flap is really a huge bummer. Same worry. Will be doing a big ride up in July. Might hit close to 15 riders. Keep you updated :P
@@djdeznyc yes ! We kept in a convoy of 7 instead and worked great! Everyone was using the packtold bold I was on the edge. However I had to recreated the group. Couldn’t join the existing one for some reason. But anything above 100km/hrs voice gets quite muffled.
@@afrodizach how is the compatibility? Does it pair up with the cardo bold just like how cardo bold pairs with other cardo bolds or do you have to do extra work on the cardo edge to get paired with the other cardo bolds? Would you say to buy cardo edge instead of the old cardo bold? Would it make a big difference?
@@Ian-ny6ux if you already have the bold than I wouldn’t spend the moola on the new edge. Or if you’re on a budget then just get a second hand bold. But if it’s your first cardo like me then definitely go for the edge.
@@afrodizach this one's going to be my first Cardo. And you're right i really think getting the Edge makes more sense. Just worried about compatibility man? How was it? Do you press more buttons when trying to connect with cardo bold users or just the same?
Surprised you said it was not worth upgrading. I had the same trouble with the bold with no voice commands working. I bought the edge and they work fantastic. Well worth the upgrades just for that alone! At least in my opinion.
You have one of the best motorcycle channels. Your like the Peter McKinnon of motorcycle videos. You know I mean that in a good way to . Also I have a 2014 Triumph scrambler. What tires would you recommend for something I can ride every day in the city but also take it in the woods
Thanks so much man, glad you dig it! I'm rocking the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR's and absolutely love them. Can corner hard and get some grip offroading. Majoirty on road, but can handle it off road. Less sand and mud though
Nice review. I have ridden a couple of times with over 15 riders with Cardo. Most have the Bold and a few with the Slim. The conversations that carry on are incredible. Usually wise ass remarks or any topics. Also good for warning objects on road for riders behind the lead riders or letting us know of a scenic view to the side, or need to take a leak…etc. when there’s more than 15, some of us have to start a new group, unfortunately. I wish they would increase the capacity of the network mesh. I think the other competitor has 20(?). Anyways, if I was to buy one now, I’d probably get the edge for the wireless updates. Btw, that range is more like 200+ meters, not 1 km, from our experience.
Oh yeah we rode one time wer like 25 riders and we divided the group into two. So one group had 15 riders and you were right it was chaos but totally fun at the same time. Tho one tip, we need to have the first group finish connecting with each other before the second group connects . It jumbles up the grouping. :) Learned so much from this :) I'm a motovlogger as well from the Philippines :) Thank you for such a jampacked info on the Cardo Packtalk Edge :) Think Safe, Ride Safe!
Just saw your video. Very good comparison IMO. I lead my group all around the East Coast of the US on many group rides. And yes I have had 15 riders paired together. Its entertaining to say the least
Our riding group has often had 15 riders. No issues at all. Everyone is clear and no issues with noise. we are all very good about not all talking at once but even when multiple people talk at the same time, all can be heard easily.
Ha awesome review as always Rob…I literally attached my new Cardo bold yesterday & used it for the first time today. When I saw your video at first I was like..’ah damn i should have got the edge’ but then your final comment put my mind at ease ha! Keep up the great content mate it’s excellent. Geoff 👌🏻
Fk yes. Just scored a Bold from one of my forums, got a pal to 3D print an adaptor for my Neotec2. Then watched your review, full of win. Where are ya? Didn't recognise any of the skyline in the footage. East coast Aus'..?
I upgraded from the original Packtalk. I like that it's USB C and a little bit lower profile. The cost for 1 of these units is now almost the cost I got a duo pack of the original Packtalks. They are absolutely taking the piss but hey I bought it so I guess they are doing something right.
Considereing ive never had an issue with mine (aside the usual trying to remember how to pair units). You can tell they care about their customer base and want to deliver a quality product
Hi! Looking into making the same switch and wonder if it's worth the money 💰. Have you noticed any differences in regard to volume and range? These are the areas where we need an improvement from the original Packtalk.
@@Syss123se Honestly I'm not sure i'd bother and I wonder if they might release some updated ones a bit sooner. The sound is better and that's with having the extra jbl speakers but that's about it. Range is perhaps a little better. The buttons are much more difficult to use when you are on the go. I've turned the voice recognition off because it just kept turning the radio on at any sound though a friend that had the same issue thinks an update has made it much better. Not sure how long the rubber cover for the charging port is going to last either. Seems like a few flaws that they will hopefully fix
@@chrisjrattray Thanks for your answer! This is our 3rd set of Scala headsets, after G4 and G9, and the G9 were much better in quality in my opinion. We have riding buddies using Scala G9 still so we'll probably stick with Scala so we know it will work to connect. One of the Packtalk units have started behaving badly where the sound just disappears so we'll have to make an upgrade for next season, but we'll wait until then and see if they'll upgrade the Edge beforehand. The retail price for an Edge duo pack is about twice what we paid for the Packtalk duo kit on offer late 2017... For that price we'd like to actually get an upgrade, not just a replacement that might even be worse.
The voice command on the bold is rubbish. That tempts me to upgrade to edge. Interesting point on using ear plugs with speakers for long trips. Something I looked at for my custom plugs a couple years back but thought it would be a hassle. Will rethink that now as well.
Great review mate. I think the edge with the voice commands is enough to sway me it's way. After all the more time I spend with both hands on the grips has to be better right. Oh & the upgraded speakers & upgraded noise canceling have to help
A mile range is a joke, I have days where I can see the guy behind me and we can’t talk. It’s more like 1000’ or less. If I’m a turn ahead of him forget it. And that’s with having the antenna out.
Great video thanks! Amazon Prime days the BOLD is being phased out and can be found $100 less, my friend both the duo. We bought the Edge duo for $533.00 from cycle gear. The prices have dropped.
And to date, Cardo doesn’t pair with other brands, in the true sense of the way it pairs with other units of the same brand. They do allow you to pair over Bluetooth to other brands but it’s not a good experience and doesn’t allow all the same functionality.
@@merlefisher3103 To be fair, Sena doesn't make cross-species communications easy either. Sena uses 'universal pairing' vs 'Cardo Gateway Bridge', pretty much the same idea as the other joins as a second mobile phone via limited range Bluetooth. FYI...plan to hear a lot of crackling and crappy voice communications. I was able to bridge a couple of Cardo DMC mesh down to a spare Sena 20S, then connect a Bluetooth Intercom to a 50S, who then turned on their mesh. It actually worked, with lots of crackly, static sounds, plenty of cursing (by me during the process) and a general feeling of 'this would be so much easier if there were a common protocol'. YMMV.
@@NJMike67 and my sena20s has never worked on universal pairing, i have to 'call' the other rider. So far I have had zero joy with a Cardo Edge to Sena20s
I used mine the first time last weekend. Love it but no one ever talks about the biggest problem. 5 or 6 people with an open mike. Cardo is addressing the problem with the private chat. Lets say you are on a ride with three other couples. You push the button to have private chat with your wife. She make disparaging remark about the size of her bleep! Well there is now way of knowing who heard the comment. Well if you have the phone on your handlebar and the app open you would know. If you have an I phone 12 or higher. Your handlebar mount will destroy it in one ride. It could be solved with a prompt. When you push the private but it could say. Your in private mode. Or your in group mode. Anyway I liked your video. Good job!
I ride in a group of more than 15 riders regularly and we use Cardos. The whole ride feels like a party. It’s not nearly as hectic as you might think though. Some people just like to be apart of the group and listen to the shit talking not partake lol
I'm considering buying a system not using one before and wondering about the wind noise which you touched on.You described using earphones at 100km but to me they look like earplugs,just to clarify what are you using.
Only just got the Bold about a year ago, so nah not going to upgrade to the Edge. I had a Sena SMH10R before the Bold, and that was def a night n day difference across the board.
I wonder if Edge fixed the next problem: when on parallel audio streaming (bluetooth mixing) the mobile phone's GPS or music is cutting audio making it impossible to listen while talking to intercom 1. It may be due to the fact on the other end is a Sena and not a Cardo, and it is on universal pairing. Doesn't matter if the phone is paired on channel 1 or 2, it does the same, which is weird since there are TWO Bluetooth channels. One should be used for intercom and one for phone, without cutting the audio. Even if love the Cardo's sound quality I don't use it because of that. My wife has a Sena and is impossible to talk to her and listen to GPS in the same time...
It’s not just because one’s a sena. Unfortunately lol. I bought the bolds for my bf and I, and we have the same issue. If we need GPS to go somewhere, we can hear it if we’re completely silent, but if we’re talking to each other, the GPS gets insanely quiet to the point you cannot make out a single word it’s saying, all you hear is a little tiny whisper that lets you know to shut up and hope it repeats the instruction when you get closer to your exit or your turn. It makes for a very frustrating ride . I wish they would fix that. I don’t mind the gps cutting our communication out for 2 seconds if it means we don’t miss our turns 20x in one ride. 😂
I purchased the freecom2 duel set......received today. installed in helmet- mic wire broke, very easier I might add too, ordered another, just the part with the wires. The app,, Pain in the F'ing ass! One of my emails said I needed to register my cardo for the warranty. I searched cardo website, I searched the internet. Could NOT find anything on this subject. There is no phone on cardo website OR any contact information. WHERE IN HELL AM I TO REGISTER WHEN CARDO IS HIDING THE REGISTRATION PAGE(S) !!! WHY WOULD CARDO HIDE THIS FROM ITS CUSTOMERS?????????? Maybe this is why you hide the registration caz yall know shit going to break before you can register it. I am one PISSED OFF CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice review, I was especially interested in upgrade reasons. Although I get the feeling that you missed the packtalk slim. It does not have an antenna in the first place and is a lot sleeker than the edge if your Helmet allows to mount the Battery nicely. I have some additional Questions: While voice recognition was not a problem for me so far, hows the radio compared to the old? I have basically no reception, only a hand full channels without hissing and that changes with every movement. Also, has the Volume improved compared to the old JBLs? Last one is range, by what i mean real range. I experience connection loss after two or three turns through the forest, so maybe 200m and 500m at max without obtrusions. Has this improved? (Maybe someone else can share their feedback here aswell, I am very interested.)
I'm upgrading today, and will probably go on a ride with someone else who has one soon. I doubt they really can improve obstructed range, but I'll try to remember to report back as soon as I can.
I just bought the Cardo Edge and I love it. Came from a Sena 30S and it’s I hughe upgrade considering the mesh and bluetooth 5,2. Another thing is that it’s perfect for my BMW GSA. I can use it true with my tft!
I have had a gut full of SENA and my next unit will most likely be a Cardo unit and from your review most likely the Edge. A great review and thanks. And a BIG thumbs up!
No. I won’t upgrade. As a matter of fact, some dealers in my area are now selling their left over Bold units with JBL for more than half the price of when they came out. That’s a huge huge difference between the Edge. Sold!! Two new Bolds for me please.
Still after a year upgrade is Not worth at all, even after marketing info about connecting to sena mesh (this is just BT crap connection not mesh), but if you are buying new go for NEO
Thanks for the review. I've had a couple of Packtalk Bolds and convinced the mates I ride with to buy them. Never 15 of us but max of 6 at a time. My view, this product costs a lot of money and although the mesh idea is cool and rejoins riders there is no way the range has ever got to anywhere near 1 mile and defintely it is very difficult to hear some people when your speeds are 100kph. Often the person connected via bluetooth is clearer than those with Packtalks on the mesh network. So I question performance over cost. My next bitch is the USB charging connection and its constant failing so that you either have to buy another unit or find someone who will pull the unit apart and fix it. This is wear over time of charging but still annoying - especially if you buy from a site like Chromeburner and Packtalk locally will not support and tell you to send back to them ?? My next decision isn't whether to upgrade to the Edge but rather is there a better option out there ? Interested in your feedback Rob.
After 300 miles I can say the buttons are garbage including the volume roller. Clearly designed by someone that has never worn motorcycle gloves of any kind
Great Video Review. Thanks. Been using a Scala Rider Q2 for many years, served us well. Losing battery capacity, and connectivity. Time for an Upgrade. Sounds like going straight to the Edge will be the way to go !
No intergration with GoPro? Why not add a MicroSD record function so GoPro does not need and ADAC and wires/mics going all over the place. Hey Cardo - Add Micro SD recording....
Says on the website that the Edge will connect to any mainstream Bluetooth headset, I like wireless innies but I cannot get them to pair with the Edge. Anyone managed this?
@@OD_Plays I bit the bullet and bought one. I stuck it on my arai and it's a dream. I had the pack talk black in my old NXR and the pack talk black used to infuriate me
Hadn't considered upgrading from the Bold until I saw your video showing that you can now use the Edge to connect to the Insta360 cameras. NOW, I'm tempted. Great channel! New subscriber!
I often ride with more than 15 riders in the same time. So we divide by group. Each group 15 riders. Always works. Btw, 95% riders in my club using Cardo Packtalk (Bold, edge, neo, black)
Sorry if this has been answered, just don't have time to read all the comments. I am looking to buy a Cardo set. The people I ride with are all using the Bold, if I buy this new Edge, will it work and be compatable with my group? Thanks for the review, great info!
I'll stick with my Pactalk slim bold with the JBL speakers for now, until the price drops considerably on these, barely any upgrade worth shouting about really.
Hello. I need an intercom with loud audio for music mostly and GPS directions etc. I have a Harley and I also have the Shoei Glamster Helmet. My current UClear headset I have I have to place the speakers at the back of my ears and not in the helmet speaker spot as there is no room for them in this helmet. Just behind that spot is great I can't feel them but it also makes them harder to hear so I am looking at upgrading to this as it is all black and low profile. Would you say the loudness is adequate and better than others you have used ? TIA.
Sadly these things are way too expensive for most people. We use the fodsports m1-s plus and it works greta with 2-3 riders but our experience with 7 riders was kind of a disaster
My Cardo Edge will start up by just pressing the media or front button by itself. The two-button act is needed to turn it off, but not to start it up. Is that the same for you? I had a Bold before the Edge, and it started up with just one button also.
I’m coming from some cheap and cheerful comms that have earned their keep so I will buy the Edge instead of the Bold, but if I already had the Bold I wouldn’t bother upgrading. Thanks for the review.
I thought the voice control didn't work for you on the bold? surely the edge is better if the voice control works for you on that? But I wonder is the voice control worth the hassle,? like all these things they are great,.. when they work.
Like u said no I wouldn’t i have a bold now when it’s time to replace maybe but I wouldn’t spend te money on it now already owning a bold but if I didn’t already own a great headset I would spend the little extra money for the edge I also have the issues with the speaking commands especially sinds the last update also the f*ing radio turns on for no reason what so ever when just talking to someone or singing along with the biggest guilty pleasures because nobody can hear u so why not
Great video and quality! Thanks alot, God bless You! So upgrading is not really worth it, but buying Cardo for the first time... I think I'll go with friend for the Edge Duo ;)
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This might seem weird, but I'm honestly switching just because USB-C is light years better than micro-USB. I want all micro-USB out of my life.
Not 15 but 9 riders all on Packtalk bold's. It's surprisingly quiet. Cardo's noise cancelling works very well. Years ago this same group all had Sena 20s comms and they were a disaster. Never could get the whole group connected and even with just 4 riders the environment was very noisy. BTW, never really had an issue with voice commands on the Bold...
When it comes to motorcycles and accessories I appreciate that almost every review is totally unbiased.
The design is defined an upgrade. The Bold looks like the designs from when cellphones first came out.
Haha yep!
Seriously considered upgrading from black to edge, but the major let down was the absence of mounting kits (not including the speakers/microphone). Since I've already invested audio kits for the bold/black on my other helmets, as much as I would like to upgrade, the my existing mounts won't be usable. They only sell mounts with the whole audio set. Would be great to simply reuse the speakers and microphones and just replace the mount/cradle itself.
Update on this, they now sell the cradle by itself, glue mount, and clip mount on their website. Finally had my other mounts upgraded without having to change the microphone and speakers.
Cardo edge looks amazing, thin for my full flip shark helmet. Thanks for your superb fun review. Keep it real!
Got the edge for almost a month now. Loving the look and sound quality. Having a bit of trouble with the mic positioning for siri and comms, but I'm still switch the positions to trial and error. The rubber flap is really a huge bummer. Same worry. Will be doing a big ride up in July. Might hit close to 15 riders. Keep you updated :P
Did u guys ride out yet
@@djdeznyc yes ! We kept in a convoy of 7 instead and worked great! Everyone was using the packtold bold I was on the edge. However I had to recreated the group. Couldn’t join the existing one for some reason. But anything above 100km/hrs voice gets quite muffled.
@@afrodizach how is the compatibility? Does it pair up with the cardo bold just like how cardo bold pairs with other cardo bolds or do you have to do extra work on the cardo edge to get paired with the other cardo bolds?
Would you say to buy cardo edge instead of the old cardo bold? Would it make a big difference?
@@Ian-ny6ux if you already have the bold than I wouldn’t spend the moola on the new edge. Or if you’re on a budget then just get a second hand bold. But if it’s your first cardo like me then definitely go for the edge.
@@afrodizach this one's going to be my first Cardo. And you're right i really think getting the Edge makes more sense.
Just worried about compatibility man? How was it? Do you press more buttons when trying to connect with cardo bold users or just the same?
I wish cardo would add this voice command "power off"
enjoyed the review
thanks bud
Surprised you said it was not worth upgrading. I had the same trouble with the bold with no voice commands working. I bought the edge and they work fantastic. Well worth the upgrades just for that alone! At least in my opinion.
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing
You have one of the best motorcycle channels. Your like the Peter McKinnon of motorcycle videos. You know I mean that in a good way to . Also I have a 2014 Triumph scrambler. What tires would you recommend for something I can ride every day in the city but also take it in the woods
Thanks so much man, glad you dig it! I'm rocking the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR's and absolutely love them. Can corner hard and get some grip offroading. Majoirty on road, but can handle it off road. Less sand and mud though
Nice review. I have ridden a couple of times with over 15 riders with Cardo. Most have the Bold and a few with the Slim. The conversations that carry on are incredible. Usually wise ass remarks or any topics. Also good for warning objects on road for riders behind the lead riders or letting us know of a scenic view to the side, or need to take a leak…etc. when there’s more than 15, some of us have to start a new group, unfortunately. I wish they would increase the capacity of the network mesh. I think the other competitor has 20(?). Anyways, if I was to buy one now, I’d probably get the edge for the wireless updates. Btw, that range is more like 200+ meters, not 1 km, from our experience.
I agree with everything you have mentioned, especially the distance, 200+ meters 👍
Oh yeah we rode one time wer like 25 riders and we divided the group into two. So one group had 15 riders and you were right it was chaos but totally fun at the same time. Tho one tip, we need to have the first group finish connecting with each other before the second group connects . It jumbles up the grouping. :) Learned so much from this :) I'm a motovlogger as well from the Philippines :) Thank you for such a jampacked info on the Cardo Packtalk Edge :) Think Safe, Ride Safe!
The issue with the packtalk bold and voice command is going from USA to uk in settings. This will fix your issue in Australia
We did! It's a chaos and fun at the same time CBEAST Philippines normally rides more than 20 riders 🙂
Woooow! How do you know who to talk to? Or who’s talking to you?
Just saw your video. Very good comparison IMO. I lead my group all around the East Coast of the US on many group rides. And yes I have had 15 riders paired together. Its entertaining to say the least
Our riding group has often had 15 riders. No issues at all. Everyone is clear and no issues with noise. we are all very good about not all talking at once but even when multiple people talk at the same time, all can be heard easily.
Love the look and upgrades but I don't think I will buy the newer model. Got the packtalk bold last year and still are satisfied 😀
Ha awesome review as always Rob…I literally attached my new Cardo bold yesterday & used it for the first time today. When I saw your video at first I was like..’ah damn i should have got the edge’ but then your final comment put my mind at ease ha! Keep up the great content mate it’s excellent. Geoff 👌🏻
Btw ignore both my account name & picture…my 11 year old son hacked my you tube account profile 😂
Haha glad to be of help! There’s nothing you’re really messing out on so you’re safe
Baha
Fk yes. Just scored a Bold from one of my forums, got a pal to 3D print an adaptor for my Neotec2. Then watched your review, full of win.
Where are ya? Didn't recognise any of the skyline in the footage. East coast Aus'..?
I upgraded from the original Packtalk. I like that it's USB C and a little bit lower profile. The cost for 1 of these units is now almost the cost I got a duo pack of the original Packtalks. They are absolutely taking the piss but hey I bought it so I guess they are doing something right.
Considereing ive never had an issue with mine (aside the usual trying to remember how to pair units). You can tell they care about their customer base and want to deliver a quality product
Hi! Looking into making the same switch and wonder if it's worth the money 💰. Have you noticed any differences in regard to volume and range? These are the areas where we need an improvement from the original Packtalk.
@@Syss123se Honestly I'm not sure i'd bother and I wonder if they might release some updated ones a bit sooner. The sound is better and that's with having the extra jbl speakers but that's about it. Range is perhaps a little better. The buttons are much more difficult to use when you are on the go. I've turned the voice recognition off because it just kept turning the radio on at any sound though a friend that had the same issue thinks an update has made it much better. Not sure how long the rubber cover for the charging port is going to last either. Seems like a few flaws that they will hopefully fix
@@chrisjrattray Thanks for your answer! This is our 3rd set of Scala headsets, after G4 and G9, and the G9 were much better in quality in my opinion. We have riding buddies using Scala G9 still so we'll probably stick with Scala so we know it will work to connect. One of the Packtalk units have started behaving badly where the sound just disappears so we'll have to make an upgrade for next season, but we'll wait until then and see if they'll upgrade the Edge beforehand. The retail price for an Edge duo pack is about twice what we paid for the Packtalk duo kit on offer late 2017... For that price we'd like to actually get an upgrade, not just a replacement that might even be worse.
Tore the aerial off my bold on my last adventure ride and cant seem to get it repaired so I will upgrade to the edge. Thanks for the review.
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The voice command on the bold is rubbish. That tempts me to upgrade to edge. Interesting point on using ear plugs with speakers for long trips. Something I looked at for my custom plugs a couple years back but thought it would be a hassle. Will rethink that now as well.
In a group of 13 connected riders. We have amazing members and it’s a lot of fun. Laughing all the way
Great review mate.
I think the edge with the voice commands is enough to sway me it's way.
After all the more time I spend with both hands on the grips has to be better right.
Oh & the upgraded speakers & upgraded noise canceling have to help
Let's not forget the over the air update ability
Thank you for the review! Also which leather jacket are you wearing? I really like it.
I love how he goes all in on the owners and chefs but always stays respectful towards the waits
A shame they got rid of the antenna, I would've preferred if they kept it and increased the range.
Seriously doubt that the little aerial would make any significant difference on the range, especially for bluetooth only comms
A mile range is a joke, I have days where I can see the guy behind me and we can’t talk. It’s more like 1000’ or less. If I’m a turn ahead of him forget it. And that’s with having the antenna out.
That’s the truth. One mile is a joke, also get some hills in the mix and your really screwed.
Great video thanks! Amazon Prime days the BOLD is being phased out and can be found $100 less, my friend both the duo. We bought the Edge duo for $533.00 from cycle gear. The prices have dropped.
The test everyone needs for any comms product is how long it takes at your first stop to pair with someone who has a totally different brand.
Great suggestion. I'll do this on my upcoming review and comparison! :)
And to date, Cardo doesn’t pair with other brands, in the true sense of the way it pairs with other units of the same brand. They do allow you to pair over Bluetooth to other brands but it’s not a good experience and doesn’t allow all the same functionality.
@@merlefisher3103 To be fair, Sena doesn't make cross-species communications easy either. Sena uses 'universal pairing' vs 'Cardo Gateway Bridge', pretty much the same idea as the other joins as a second mobile phone via limited range Bluetooth. FYI...plan to hear a lot of crackling and crappy voice communications. I was able to bridge a couple of Cardo DMC mesh down to a spare Sena 20S, then connect a Bluetooth Intercom to a 50S, who then turned on their mesh. It actually worked, with lots of crackly, static sounds, plenty of cursing (by me during the process) and a general feeling of 'this would be so much easier if there were a common protocol'. YMMV.
@@NJMike67 and my sena20s has never worked on universal pairing, i have to 'call' the other rider. So far I have had zero joy with a Cardo Edge to Sena20s
i did with 15 rider. Sometime i muted them to play some music.. even i need more until 20 rider if have to.
I used mine the first time last weekend. Love it but no one ever talks about the biggest problem. 5 or 6 people with an open mike. Cardo is addressing the problem with the private chat. Lets say you are on a ride with three other couples. You push the button to have private chat with your wife. She make disparaging remark about the size of her bleep! Well there is now way of knowing who heard the comment. Well if you have the phone on your handlebar and the app open you would know. If you have an I phone 12 or higher. Your handlebar mount will destroy it in one ride. It could be solved with a prompt. When you push the private but it could say. Your in private mode. Or your in group mode. Anyway I liked your video. Good job!
I ride in a group of more than 15 riders regularly and we use Cardos. The whole ride feels like a party. It’s not nearly as hectic as you might think though. Some people just like to be apart of the group and listen to the shit talking not partake lol
I'm considering buying a system not using one before and wondering about the wind noise which you touched on.You described using earphones at 100km but to me they look like earplugs,just to clarify what are you using.
What if i dont have one yet? Should i just send the edge?
If this will be your first packtalk cardo purchase, which one would you recommend?
if you are buying it new, and the prices are the same, get the edge. if you can get 50% off the old one, that will probably suffice.
when you were testing the Bold, were you using the wire microphone or the boom mic? That seems to make a difference.
Only just got the Bold about a year ago, so nah not going to upgrade to the Edge. I had a Sena SMH10R before the Bold, and that was def a night n day difference across the board.
Yea i've heard similair things hey. Cardo have it sorted. I absolutely love my Bold
I wonder if Edge fixed the next problem: when on parallel audio streaming (bluetooth mixing) the mobile phone's GPS or music is cutting audio making it impossible to listen while talking to intercom 1. It may be due to the fact on the other end is a Sena and not a Cardo, and it is on universal pairing. Doesn't matter if the phone is paired on channel 1 or 2, it does the same, which is weird since there are TWO Bluetooth channels. One should be used for intercom and one for phone, without cutting the audio. Even if love the Cardo's sound quality I don't use it because of that. My wife has a Sena and is impossible to talk to her and listen to GPS in the same time...
It’s not just because one’s a sena. Unfortunately lol. I bought the bolds for my bf and I, and we have the same issue. If we need GPS to go somewhere, we can hear it if we’re completely silent, but if we’re talking to each other, the GPS gets insanely quiet to the point you cannot make out a single word it’s saying, all you hear is a little tiny whisper that lets you know to shut up and hope it repeats the instruction when you get closer to your exit or your turn. It makes for a very frustrating ride . I wish they would fix that. I don’t mind the gps cutting our communication out for 2 seconds if it means we don’t miss our turns 20x in one ride. 😂
Bro How Is dji action 2.
No idea! Never used one
I realy like to buy the new one. But i have one problem, my old one is after 4 years of extensive use not broken...
I purchased the freecom2 duel set......received today. installed in helmet- mic wire broke,
very easier I might add too, ordered another, just the part with the wires.
The app,, Pain in the F'ing ass!
One of my emails said I needed to register my cardo for the warranty.
I searched cardo website, I searched the internet. Could NOT find anything on this subject. There is no phone on cardo website OR any contact information.
WHERE IN HELL AM I TO REGISTER WHEN CARDO IS HIDING THE REGISTRATION PAGE(S) !!!
WHY WOULD CARDO HIDE THIS FROM ITS CUSTOMERS??????????
Maybe this is why you hide the registration caz yall know shit going to break before you can register it.
I am one PISSED OFF CUSTOMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I ride with 15 or more people frequently. We have Cardo and Sena. We max the Cardo out with riders
nice review, I was especially interested in upgrade reasons. Although I get the feeling that you missed the packtalk slim. It does not have an antenna in the first place and is a lot sleeker than the edge if your Helmet allows to mount the Battery nicely.
I have some additional Questions:
While voice recognition was not a problem for me so far, hows the radio compared to the old? I have basically no reception, only a hand full channels without hissing and that changes with every movement.
Also, has the Volume improved compared to the old JBLs?
Last one is range, by what i mean real range. I experience connection loss after two or three turns through the forest, so maybe 200m and 500m at max without obtrusions. Has this improved?
(Maybe someone else can share their feedback here aswell, I am very interested.)
I'm upgrading today, and will probably go on a ride with someone else who has one soon. I doubt they really can improve obstructed range, but I'll try to remember to report back as soon as I can.
You can use it with other late models in DMC mode?
I can't find this retrocompatibility statement anywhere.
Peace
Yep! It’s listed on their site
Why on earth are the JBL speakers not completely round? So silly, they don't fit properly fit into my shoei x spirit 3 cutouts which are circle
I just bought the Cardo Edge and I love it. Came from a Sena 30S and it’s I hughe upgrade considering the mesh and bluetooth 5,2. Another thing is that it’s perfect for my BMW GSA. I can use it true with my tft!
I have had a gut full of SENA and my next unit will most likely be a Cardo unit and from your review most likely the Edge. A great review and thanks. And a BIG thumbs up!
No.
I won’t upgrade. As a matter of fact, some dealers in my area are now selling their left over Bold units with JBL for more than half the price of when they came out. That’s a huge huge difference between the Edge.
Sold!! Two new Bolds for me please.
Still after a year upgrade is Not worth at all, even after marketing info about connecting to sena mesh (this is just BT crap connection not mesh), but if you are buying new go for NEO
If you replace the bold with an edge, do you need to replace speaks as well? I’m hoping that it’s plug and play.
Thanks for the review. I've had a couple of Packtalk Bolds and convinced the mates I ride with to buy them. Never 15 of us but max of 6 at a time. My view, this product costs a lot of money and although the mesh idea is cool and rejoins riders there is no way the range has ever got to anywhere near 1 mile and defintely it is very difficult to hear some people when your speeds are 100kph. Often the person connected via bluetooth is clearer than those with Packtalks on the mesh network. So I question performance over cost. My next bitch is the USB charging connection and its constant failing so that you either have to buy another unit or find someone who will pull the unit apart and fix it. This is wear over time of charging but still annoying - especially if you buy from a site like Chromeburner and Packtalk locally will not support and tell you to send back to them ?? My next decision isn't whether to upgrade to the Edge but rather is there a better option out there ? Interested in your feedback Rob.
I use interphone and it has big buttons and glove friendly.
Interesting! I'll need to check this out
@@MotoFeelz interphone tourer one thingo 🇦🇺
After 300 miles I can say the buttons are garbage including the volume roller. Clearly designed by someone that has never worn motorcycle gloves of any kind
Yea i prefer the feel of the Bold
As of today sitting n amazon for 569 for the duo.
my favorite and perhaps the best motovlog content
Great Video Review. Thanks. Been using a Scala Rider Q2 for many years, served us well. Losing battery capacity, and connectivity. Time for an Upgrade. Sounds like going straight to the Edge will be the way to go !
I reckon that charging port flap is for dust, not water. Most phones have an exposed usb-c port and they're still waterproof.
No issues with voice commands on the bold here. Even with my stupid welsh accent
100 k an hour isn't even the speed limit so if I go 70 80 miles an hour will I even be able to use it ?
what is the helmet you have in this video ? the one with pistons. It's awesome!
Have you tried using voice controls with your gopro through the helmet microphone.
I havent! Is that a thing?
How did you set up those ear buds in your helmet?
the freecom for 35$ from aliexpress does the job for me :D
No intergration with GoPro? Why not add a MicroSD record function so GoPro does not need and ADAC and wires/mics going all over the place. Hey Cardo - Add Micro SD recording....
Says on the website that the Edge will connect to any mainstream Bluetooth headset, I like wireless innies but I cannot get them to pair with the Edge. Anyone managed this?
Does the edge still randomly redial last contact, or randomly turn on the radio? Or start any random command without actually asking it to?
I bought the edge last month and none of that has happened to me so not to me
@@OD_Plays I bit the bullet and bought one. I stuck it on my arai and it's a dream. I had the pack talk black in my old NXR and the pack talk black used to infuriate me
Video idea, review latest feature updates (record voice chat to phone, bridge Sena mesh to Cardo DMC)
I ride in a group of 28+ but almost no one use intercoms
So the battery is the same on bold and edge?
So we now have proximity chat?
The motorway is going to turn into a cod lobby
Hey @Moto Feelz,
so in your opinion there is no big difference between MESH Gen1 from the BOLD MESH Gen2 from the Edge?
Regards,
Benny
Good comparison, I was wondering how they stacked up to newer version.
Hadn't considered upgrading from the Bold until I saw your video showing that you can now use the Edge to connect to the Insta360 cameras. NOW, I'm tempted. Great channel! New subscriber!
I often ride with more than 15 riders in the same time. So we divide by group. Each group 15 riders. Always works. Btw, 95% riders in my club using Cardo Packtalk (Bold, edge, neo, black)
Is the duo just two of them in one box?
Correct
Why microphone volume is so low !
I have been waiting for a new video from you in 2 weeks😂 👍✌️
I’m glad you noticed! Also I’m sorry that I missed last week. 2 videos will be up next week to make up for it 😊
Sorry if this has been answered, just don't have time to read all the comments. I am looking to buy a Cardo set. The people I ride with are all using the Bold, if I buy this new Edge, will it work and be compatable with my group? Thanks for the review, great info!
IF I can voice command a mobile call I.e. ‘ Hey Cardo, call Fat Yankee ‘ and it calls the person from your contacts , well that’s a game changer !
I was contemplating either getting my 5th Bold mount kit or get the Edge. At this point, I'm too invested in the Bold setup... LOL
I have 1 question, is the sound quality of Edge with bold JBL to listen to music equal or superior to Edge?
I'll stick with my Pactalk slim bold with the JBL speakers for now, until the price drops considerably on these, barely any upgrade worth shouting about really.
Hello. I need an intercom with loud audio for music mostly and GPS directions etc. I have a Harley and I also have the Shoei Glamster Helmet. My current UClear headset I have I have to place the speakers at the back of my ears and not in the helmet speaker spot as there is no room for them in this helmet. Just behind that spot is great I can't feel them but it also makes them harder to hear so I am looking at upgrading to this as it is all black and low profile. Would you say the loudness is adequate and better than others you have used ? TIA.
Sadly these things are way too expensive for most people. We use the fodsports m1-s plus and it works greta with 2-3 riders but our experience with 7 riders was kind of a disaster
jo what black leather jacket ist that at the end ?
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I was wondering about this product upgrade 🤘
Now you have it 👊
My Cardo Edge will start up by just pressing the media or front button by itself.
The two-button act is needed to turn it off, but not to start it up.
Is that the same for you? I had a Bold before the Edge, and it started up with just one button also.
I’m coming from some cheap and cheerful comms that have earned their keep so I will buy the Edge instead of the Bold, but if I already had the Bold I wouldn’t bother upgrading. Thanks for the review.
I thought the voice control didn't work for you on the bold? surely the edge is better if the voice control works for you on that?
But I wonder is the voice control worth the hassle,? like all these things they are great,.. when they work.
Like u said no I wouldn’t i have a bold now when it’s time to replace maybe but I wouldn’t spend te money on it now already owning a bold but if I didn’t already own a great headset I would spend the little extra money for the edge I also have the issues with the speaking commands especially sinds the last update also the f*ing radio turns on for no reason what so ever when just talking to someone or singing along with the biggest guilty pleasures because nobody can hear u so why not
Max ive ridden with is 7 and i had to mute it lol
Great video and quality!
Thanks alot, God bless You!
So upgrading is not really worth it, but buying Cardo for the first time...
I think I'll go with friend for the Edge Duo ;)
Our current experience is 11 units, but now we have 14+ in my group, will try it maybe next tour
We did a 15 rider group chat a few times..talk about crazy and at times annoying. 🤣
Thanks for this comparison, very much apprecaited.
If you already have the bold, there is no reason to upgrade to the edge. Oh only if you have too much money and don’t know what to do with it😮
Can you dmc a bold to an edge network
Can you please share molded earphone product details link. i want to check that product is available in india or not