Kinetic Kevlar Paddle Review: Better Than The Ruby?
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
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In-depth analysis of the new Mark Kinetic Kevlar Paddle. Accurate spin numbers, power rankings, sweet spot analysis, and control rankings. I hope you enjoy the passion I put into my reviews! If so, please consider subscribing for more detailed analysis, just like this!
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I love how you are doing reviews on Paddles and Companies that John Kew, PB Studio, and others in the paddle review space are not featuring. Had you not done the Ballr Heat review, I would never have known about it or their Company. Now it's become my primary paddle. Your comments about Control are spot on and why I moved away from my ProDrive Ghost. These latest edition Thermoformed Paddles continue to raise the bar on Control while also adding Power and Pop when you need it. The fact that they are lowering the price points on these paddles and disrupting the Pickleball Establishment Brands is even better.
100% agree with you and really appreciate you taking the time to share this. Started my day off with a smile! Thank you!!
I've been using the Kinetic as my main paddle for about a month now. I absolutely love it. It does everything I could want from a paddle. The high spin, high pop, and forgiving sweetspot are my favorite attributes of the paddle.
Love this!! Glad you're diggin it man I like it a lot too!
Did you add lead tape ?
@@ReelStamas Yes, 3 gram pre-cut strips at the 4, 5, 7, and 8 o-clock positions. I'm considering removing the strips at 5 and 7 to increase hand speed a bit, but I'm on the fence.
I did yes been back and forth between 2 pre-cut strips on the 4 and 8 oclock positions (beginning of the flat edge on the sides) and 5" of 1g/inch lead tape starting 1" out from the handle going up the throat into the sides of the paddle. I think the 5" is my preferred for this paddle right now :)
Another stellar review Steve. I love it when a respected reviewer singles out a paddle I have “discovered” for special praise. I have been using this Kinetic for a few weeks and it checks all the boxes for me right now. Soft, controllable, great spin and power. Plus very fast in the hand. All at a great price! Makes one wonder why other paddles cost as much as they do. Plus with all the model options they are a great company to support. Right?
Keep up the great work. Can’t wait to see what you’ll review next, Bob
What an awesome comment. Good find! Yeah I am loving their paddles especially for the price. That's why I used to put Joola and Selkirk on blast every time on my comparisons in each category because paddles like this cost half the price and perform so much better than the big brands. Crazy. Thank you for the good vibes!
I've been waiting for this review. Thanks!
You're very welcome :)
Appreciate you taking the time to describe in detail how it felt to play with! I agree the Kinetic has some serious pop.
Oh yeah! Thanks for the comment man! 😊🙏
Thanks for this review. Great job !
Thank you!!! And you’re welcome! 😊
Love the content. Thanks for the review
You’re very welcome!
Thanks for all the great reviews. Would love to see the MPH numbers for speed and pop included too.
I am going to start adding those in the future I just don't want to bombard everyone with all of the metrics but it might be what you all want! :)
Competition by the manufactures is truly one of the exciting things about the growth of pickleball. I think you are doing a great job in your reviews especially for the average rec player. It's amazing what Pro's play with so well. I'm not very good with a Lead Hammer Anna Leigh! lol I purchased the Six Zero Infinity Black Diamond because of your review and have never played better. I look forward to a comparison to this one and the IBD.
Black Diamond Infinity is so solid!! Glad you are enjoying it, and yes 100% crazy the pros could play with a frying pan lol.
Hello, how would you compare the Kinetic and Ruby versus the Viva pro Gen 2? ...I've had the Viva pro Gen 2 for a while now and haven't seen a reason to change paddles.
I do like power..drive..serving with top spin...however found I can dial in control more after playing with a paddle long enough.
The kinetic has less power than the Viva Pro Gen 2 for sure, but more pop, and more spin. Ruby has less power also, but quite a bit more spin stock, and has a more plush feel off the face. I think if you’re looking for more pop / more control one of those could be a solid bet for you 😊
Dope video! By any chance are you going to review the Pikkl paddles with the new pro skins? Just wondering cause I never seen a usap approved skin
Yes I will have a review of their skins coming in the future! Super cool concept I hope they feel good.
This video is single handily making me buy this paddle
lol fair enough it’s a great buy for sure
So I just got my Kinetic today :) Can you say a little about how the paddle plays with & w/o lead tape ? I'm curious if I should wait a week or just go ahead & lead it up... TYIA
I like it stock if you wanna keep your hands fast, but my favorite way to run it is with 5" of lead tape starting 1" out from the handle going up the throat into the sides of the paddle. Really slows my wrist down and allows me to control the paddle super well :)
I had very similar feelings regarding the kinetic. I did think it was quite a bit more powerful than the Ruby but that’s probably due to the 119 SW of my model. It’s an exceptional paddle and for the price there’s really only one other competitor
Fair enough yeah it does have some oomph to it for sure!
Great video and keep up the good work. Are you going to review Honolulu company pickleball J2k or J2K pro?
I will soon yes!
@@stspickleball Awesome to hear! Any guess on eta for the J2k review? Heard good things about it but your Kinetic review is making me want to grab it ASAP.
Just got my J2K a few days ago. Loving it so far!
J2K review is coming hopefully this week! Been busy!! Super excited to get it going though!
Thanks for this review! Just ordered the Kinetic. Got tired of waiting for the Ruby to get back in stock.
Yeah fair enough save some money it's just as good tbh.
Seems like the peel ply process would make a much bigger difference in spin durability than the material itself since the ball is basically contacting the epoxy on top of the fibers? Good review- love my apes paddle but the kinetic looks awesome as well!
yep. Nobody seems to be talking about the epoxy/resin that the peel ply is laid down on, thats where the tech will improve.
It’s not the entire story but yes peel ply material does matter. I had an extensive conversation with John Kew about this and we both agree that the material of the face (18k, Kevlar, blended Kevlar, T700) does have an impact in how fast the peel ply wears down. Otherwise we wouldn’t be seeing different spin loss amounts with the same peel ply process and material from the same factory.
agree, I just think like any other material, (spray on grit for example) the resin/epoxy utilized will be experimented with and improved with time...which is good!@@stspickleball
100% agree! :)
Thanks! was wondering how the new kevlar paddles compare!
Glad it was helpful for you!!
Another "news you can use" video. Great stuff. Question: I've ordered my GBX Pro Control, but curious on your thoughts edged vs no edge paddles. I haven't played an edged paddle for 2 yrs, and maybe because I'm a better player now, but edged paddles I didn't like because I would catch the edge, but no edge paddles I don't. Paddle or player? See ya on the court!
Haha definitely player I’m sorry to say.. I do it too though. If you hit a ball on the edge or on the throat hole of a paddle with a hole that shot would be bad no matter the paddle. You gotta hit the sweet spot. And so do I lol.
Thanks for the review.
My pleasure!
i have beeen using the Ruby since it came out so this will be a good test for the 2 paddles for me....Love the Ruby but got the Kinetic based on reviews that said it had more pop at the net...this will be a huge test for the paddle for me....great review and numbers based on 10s
Report back when you get some time with it and let us know your experience! Also thank you for the kind words 😊🙏
Any chance you could update the description to clarify which paddle this got rebranded to?
Yeah it’s now the Mark One!
So I bought the Kinetic and also have been playing with the Ruby. Maybe it’s just mine, but the Kinetic definitely feels more head heavy than the Ruby. Less springy too. Have you continued to play on the Kinetic? I have only logged 5-6 hours on mine so far. The Kinetic also feels firmer and slightly harsher on the arm, though I’m loving the drives off it vs the Ruby.
I would agree it’s stiffer feeling but the pop and power are awesome! Break it in a bit and yes I’ve been using it and am enjoying it more and more as I break it in!
There is very few évaluation of the paddle Chorus Shapeshifter have you tried it?
I have indeed I like it quite a bit I’ll get a review done for it!
Think I’m gonna hold out for the Thrive Azul ….. bread and butter Shogun sounds interesting…..🤷🏼♂️
Instead of going to the gym and using the treadmill, elliptical, stair master etc and feeling like being a boring hamster spinning on a wheel I now just play pickleball. Wonderful low impact cardio though doctors get more and more patients weekly playing the game. My advice to those players? STRETCH and HYDRATE!! As far as this paddle and truly wonderful others I wish I can do them more justice! Thanks for the review. Knew I bought a good one when I tried it.
Wonderful advice my friend and I am very glad you're loving your new paddle! :)
Stretch and hydrate - love the advice - I'd also add a longer warmup time - and footwork drills on and especially off-season. makes a big difference.
Have u had a chance to check out the Spartus Apollo and how it compares?
It’s coming in very soon and I will have some feedback!
another great review. Lovin my MARK. Great spin but sure picks up ball debris quickly.
Super gritty! Gotta use a paddle face eraser!
Could you compare the Mark Kinetic. Vatik Pro Flash, and the Ballr Heat?
Vatic Pro Flash has a lot of delamination issues so I’d skip that. Ballr Heat is a solid paddle. Feels a lot like a Volair Mach 1 Forza. Sort of your standard slightly more power oriented all court paddle at a good price with top tier spin. The Kinetic is noticeably more rigid off the face, it’s poppier and has relative spin and of course has Kevlar added. If you want something more linear and just a solid paddle for a great price without thinking too much grab the Ballr, if you want something more poppy and firm off the face and want Kevlar I’d grab the kinetic 😊
The website states "Note: Lighter paddle can be requested in the notes section of the cart." Do you know how they make the paddle lighter, and if it is lighter, does it affect the twist & swing weight?
So during the manufacturing process the materials are either denser or less dense between paddles. At this point in time it doesn’t seem to have any effect on durability. It might shift the swing weight / twist weight slightly down if it’s lighter but generally speaking a lighter paddle would be better because adding weight on the perimeter will actually give you better resulting numbers than a paddle that’s already heavier 😊
@@stspickleball appreciate the response!
I’ve had my Kinetic for a couple of months now. I play 3-4 times a week. No loss in spin so far. LOVE this paddle. I had the 6.0 Ruby previously and switched to the Kinetic. Others I play with have done the same. Can’t beat the price.
Agree on all accounts! Thank you for taking the time to share this for everyone 😊
Did you add lead tape ?
@@ReelStamas I did but ended up taking it off. I didn’t think it needed it.
@@stspickleball I need to visit with you sometime. I may have some free gear for you
I did yes been back and forth between 2 pre-cut strips on the 4 and 8 oclock positions (beginning of the flat edge on the sides) and 5" of 1g/inch lead tape starting 1" out from the handle going up the throat into the sides of the paddle. I think the 5" is my preferred for this paddle right now :)
Would recommend this paddle over Mach 2 Forza?
Dang that's tough. I think the 14mm Mach 2 is my current favorite paddle so it wins for me right now. Go check out my video on it :)
Can you please review the Carbon Pickle Pro?
Looking into it 😊
I friggin LOVE my kinetic. Bunch of pop, a very good amount of power but feels like you can handle it. And the dinks feel effortless. I didn't hit a dink short for a whole play sesh the other night. And for 135 bucks... insane.
Crazy value right?? Glad you're loving it!!!
@@stspickleballIt's so good. I'm kind of considering buying another kinetic just because I feel like it's going to sell out once people start finding out about it...
You're not helping with the hype video lol.
Hahaha yeah it sold out 😂😂
Kinetic and Krypton they both from MMARK . They look exactly the same just different name ...are they the same paddle?. Thanks😍
Krypton is elongated and the Kinetic is a hybrid shape 😊 both wonderful!
@@stspickleball thanks I check their website stated KRYPTON changed the name to KINETIC. KRYPTON is no longer name .
Ah I gotcha!
Ok I need something clarified. I thought the most outer layer of all these carbon fiber and Kevlar paddles is an epoxy, Like they use a cloth that's drenched in resign put it on the face and when it dries they take it off. So the most outer layer is an epoxy and not actually hitting the carbon fiber or Kevlar. so spin loss should be graded on the Epoxy the most outer layer that's actually giving the paddle the "texture" you feel. Or am I totally wrong? Because that's why other UA-camrs have said in the past.
That is correct but it's not the entire story. The material underneath does have an impact on the degradation of the epoxy or peel ply layer that is exposed. :)
What are you basing the statement “potential durability issues of the Ruby” on? Have there been long term studies done to look into this???
Tons and tons of comments and discussions about it. More than there ever should be for any product in the marketplace.
@@stspickleballhave you seen Johnkew's testing? That's the only thing with data and not anecdotes, and his testing showed better than average spin loss on the Ruby vs others.
@@clinewb yeah I did but then I’ve also seen some really odd scenarios where the face feels literally silky smooth and doesn’t get much spin, so I can’t really discount all of these people’s experiences either.
Facts versus feeling. John tested multiple paddles after three months. I would put more faith in his process as opposed to "reports of".
@@ronsmith5525I generally agree with you, but I have also seen several examples of the Ruby balding problem in person, so there is some merit to the anecdotal reports.
How would this compare to the Selkirk Halo power?
Way more spin, more power, more pop, less control but it’s just a way better paddle generally to be honest. The Halo is overpriced and pretty dated 😊
@@stspickleball what about vs the proline energy s
I’d take this over the pro line energy s for sure
How do you know kinetic will last longer than Ruby?
Because we have seen some very solid feedback around the blended surface and they are using Toray T700 rather than some lower grade carbon fiber which definitely helps :)
? I have not read any substantive reports of the Ruby losing it's spin or the sweet spot changing aside from the typical break-in period (for me it was a week). I found it to be quite stiff for the first week of play (3 or 4 sessions at ~2 hours per). Regarding the Ruby losing spin - it does lose some but it is losing it at a slightly slower rate than carbon fiber paddles do (source: JohnKew testing). Your testing apparently disputes JohnKew's?
History has shown us that carbon fiber paddles are effectively useless in the spin department after 4 to 6 months of usage by someone who plays 10+ hours per week. We don't yet know if that is the same for 100% kevlar faced paddles.
Yeah no I agree. Yes I saw John Kew's metrics on the subject. I did the same test but then again I am a paddle reviewer so my "3 months of use" could be someone else's 2 weeks of use. So it's really hard to gauge as I haven't used one paddle for longer than a month for a review :)
Yes, I believe it is a little too early to truly tell if the Kinetic spin or durability will last longer than the Ruby.
Fair enough I agree
Oh no, I may have to get another paddle fix for this junkie! 😅. So my question is, does the Kinetic paddle have a lighter head? My Ruby is a bit head heavy for me.
It has a SLIGHTLY lower swing weight but not by much. Gonna be just around 2 points lighter generally speaking :)
@@stspickleball It's probably not for me then. Thanks Steven.
Check out my review of the Mach 2 Forza that would be a top pick for fast hand speed! Also the MUVN 16/13S. Those paddles have very low swing weights.
@@stspickleball I have the MUVN 16S, and liked my DBD better. I'm definitely interested in the Mach 2 though!
Dude the 14mm Mach 2 Forza is top tier I love that paddle
Sold OUT. dang, oh well.
Happened so fast lol, not even just from my video either... seems there is a lot of hype around this paddle right now. Pretty cool to see for a newer company I'm happy for them.
What about the new Sword and Shield J2K...a 100pc Kevlar face paddle hyped by one reviewer as a "game changer".
Soon!! 😊
Can you review Friday pickleball?
TLDR very cheap paddles that have broken during play for some friends of mine. I would HARD pass on them if I were you.
I listen with interest about spin loss reports from reviewers. Johnkew reported numbers on a few paddles, but remember that the playing time was described as around three months, but was the actual playing time the same? Was it during hot weather or cold weather? Was it on relatively clean indoor courts or gritty outdoor courts where the ball can pick up abrasives? Was the same person using the paddle? My take-away from his report was 1) most peel-ply paddles lose a bit of spin over time and the loss is relatively the same; 2) expect to replace your paddle every 3-6 months if spin is important to your game; and 3) spray-on grit has a terrible lifetime (Selkirk).
I give little credence to individuals posting on social media about spin loss. Do they have a high speed camera to measure spin?
All very fair and solid points. I appreciate this comment and agree for sure!
希望能引進到台灣
Maybe someday!
The Mark Pure is my go to paddle
Wonderful paddle!
I'd have to disagree with the Ruby having power of 9.6... been playing with the Filth and the Ruby has noticeably less power and pop. I'd give the Ruby a 9.0 at best on power. I think you're about spot on with the pop of the Ruby.
Definitely less pop. Could be the first production model Dale sent me. I have heard since they are manufacturing so many there has been a drop in quality control and some are coming in at a rather light weight which could be the case with yours!