Were the Apostles of Jesus Mistaken? (Nahoa Life is Back!)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Can we have confidence the apostles had a resurrection-faith until their dying breath? Maybe the apostles were sincere but mistaken. Maybe they were motivated to suffer for a good cause. In this interview, Sean is put on the "hot seat" by Nahoa Life, a brilliant young man, who asks some outstanding questions about the apostles of Jesus.
You might remember Nahoa, because Sean interviewed him 2 years ago as a brilliant 12-year-old: bit.ly/3FI1Tw5
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“Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.” 1 Tim. 4:12).
Way to go, Nahoa. 😁👍
I hardly think he’s going to let anyone push him around. We can be pretty certain that they’ve already tried! 😆
Wow this really gives me hope that there are young minds out there who seek to understand reality by seeking he who is reality, Christ.
Agreed. He’s BRILLIANT!
I am still worried about my kids generation, but this is a good sign
Wow praise God this young man clearly has a gift from God
I agree! It's been great following his journey.
McDowell shines here. His young guest renews my hope for humanity. Brilliant, eloquent, young man. Huge points for Sean for hosting a great discussion. Sean McDowell, here, and so often, is solid gold. Dr McDowell is a national treasure. King of the respectful debate. Man we need this type of debate in our culture across many topics. This young man? What more could you want from a son. Exceptional. His parents must beam with pride. Wait this kid is the host!?!? Amazing, beautiful, thoughtful, fascinating young man. Wow! Great stuff I'm moved to tears. What a lovely human being. I could kiss his parents. I see the beginnings of greatness. Exceptional young man! Clearly of high character. Amazed and full of joy and hope. Thank you so much Nahoa!! God bless you and your family. Much love, and admiration, from California!
Thank you so much! Very kind words.
Amen!
So, is this kid a follower of Christ or just another blind and willful Satanist?
"you are either with me or against me.....and do everything in love"-- The Holy Bible
Future next gen young apologist
Nahoa is so articulate and has an understanding of philosophy that is rarely seen today. It was a true blessing to watch the two of you discussing these topics together. God bless both of you and thank you for sharing your thoughts and gifts with us all!
This young man fills me with hope for the future
He's great!
This kid is sharp👍
He is!
Nahoa is very good interviewer with a great skill to easily summarize difficult concepts. Excellent video!
Wow! Amazing interview, Nohoa! Your relentless search for truth, especially at your age, is so unbelievably encouraging!
Thank you for such a great discussion!
I subscribed to your channel after watching!
Only 25 minutes in and have to say this is fantastic. Fascinating and very helpful!
Thanks you!
🙏🏼☦♥👏🏻👌🏻
What a remarkable young man! Sean was not exaggerating in his praise.
Nahoa is a pro at
this. I'm amazed at how knowledgeable he is for a 14 year old. I can't even imagine how much of an impact he will have on the world as he matures. Thank you Sean and Nahoa for an awesome discussion.
Beautiful young man inside and out. What a credit to apologetics and an inspiration to young people today. God bless x
So impressed with Nahoa's questions, and his honest & sincere approach to this kind of topic. God bless you guys.
It was fun speaking with him!
One thing I noticed a few years ago about Jesus' predictions about his own death and resurrection is that Jesus' enemies seemed to be listening to some of his utterances a little better than his own disciples. That's why his tomb had guards posted.
I just find it a curious detail (and an extremely embarrassing one for the disciples) that Jesus' enemies seemed to expect resurrection accounts to emerge at a moment when that seemed to be the last thing on the disciples' minds.
Wow John, that is a great point. I've never actually thought of that... I note many times where Jesus resurrection predictions seem to go right past the apostles.
Although in Luke it says the meaning of what Jesus said was "hidden from them".
Luke 18:31-34 NKJV - "Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished. “For He will be delivered to the Gentiles and will be mocked and insulted and spit upon. “They will scourge Him and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again.” But they understood none of these things; this saying was hidden from them, and they did not know the things which were spoken."
Still your point is very interesting. I think that perhaps since it was unthinkable to the Apostles that Jesus would die vs the Pharisees who wanted him dead on gone. (And certainly wanted him to stay gone LOL)
So perhaps each group was most focused on what they considered the greatest importance. 🤔
@@Apollos2.2 Yes. I think you're right. And I think all of this is perfectly consistent. Jesus's enemies would have been keenly interested in his predictions about himself, so it's reasonable that they would have noticed him predicting his death and Resurrection. Also consistent is the statement that these things were hidden from the disciples. He had told them enough times that I can see the author feeling like it required explanation when they were not expecting his resurrection.
@JOHN BUTLER Amen brother! We have a firm foundation for our faith!
Let any reader know and understand, Jesus is the only one who died for your sins and was raised to prove its true.
Acts 4:12 NKJV - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
I have been reading daily through the book of Luke and continued today after reading these comments.
I came across another scripture about things hidden from the disciples.
Luke 9:44-45
"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men." But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
I love learning God's word ❤ Thanks guys for your interesting comments.
Praise you Lord for raising up men like this young man to advance your kingdom here on Earth
Love the thumbnail! Two great thinkers! Looking forward to this!
Hope you like the video!
This kid is amazing, very impressive!
Philip was also shown to be preaching the gospel in Acts. There were more in acts Preaching the gospel than those who were the main focus. You also have the letters from the other apostles that point to the times the churches were started during the timeline of Acts.
Nahoa is very encouraging! Keep it going!!
The Philip of Acts was not one of the Apostles. He was a different Philip.
Paul is the earliest source for Christianity. Paul never saw/met any physical Jesus. Nor did the men with Paul see any physical Jesus (Acts 9:7). The story in Acts is not even written by Paul, who supposedly had the experience of a voice (supposedly of Jesus) speaking to him. It's written by a person who didn't hear any voice (Luke). The men with Paul didn't understand the voice either and they never wrote about it either. So you have a story not written by the person who had the experience. Hilarious!
U Continue to be dumb: as Jesus taught the Two Powers in Heaven Israelite theology that the Apostles including Paul also taught.
The trinity comes from this Jewish theology of the Old Testament.
LOL, Luke wrote Acts and was Paul's co worker: your strawmaning is pathetic !
What an impressive young man!
Awesome discussion and great conversation. Nahoa has a great gift, he is such a great witness. And he learned from you, Sean , how to communicate gracefully and he summarize the other person point of view after some topics, I recognized that move from you, so the audience get more understanding what other person point of view. You are such a great role model and great teacher for young people Sean! Thumbs up for Nahoa and Sean 👍👌
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Woohoo. Love this kid
He's the best!
So, is this kid a follower of Christ or just another blind and willful Satanist?
"you are either with me or against me.....and do everything in love"-- The Holy Bible
Dr McDowell stated that there were at least ten false messiahs at the time of Christ. I have heard this before but when I went to look for them, I have not been able to find them. Can anyone give me a reference?
Nahoa's first appearance is the first video i ever watched on dr. Sean's channel, and now I'm a faithful viewer. Again, great vid!
Great to hear!
What wonderful questions to be asked! They certainly draw out necessary truths.
I agree, best I’ve been asked on the topic!
I thank you about your content regarding the evidence for the resurrection. I am planning to do a sermon about this, and I was planning to say that the 12 disciples all died as martyrs. I will have to change what I was going to say!
Its a pity it’s not as cut and dried as I would like it, but it’s also good to be accurate.
Jesus performs miracles he has forced the people he performed infront of not to accept in the first place, John 12:37-40. If Jesus wouldn't have blinded them and hardened their hearts, maybe they would have accepted the miracles. So Jesus wants people to not believe in him by his own actions. Hilarious.
U obviously R dumb : John 12: 42 "Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharasees they were not confessing Him ,lest they should be put out of the synagogue."
Sean, your depiction of a crazy article about the Da Vinci Code is a perfect example of the "MythVision" channel. It is an advertisement for books and lectures of some of the wildest scholarship.
Become a Living Sacrifice 🙂
We in effect cut our own head off during the renewing of the mind process !
Delete the Carnal Mind and Upload the Mind of Christ !
You do it under the instructions of the Holy Spirit.
2 Cor. 7-1 cleanse Yourself of all filthiness of the flesh and spirit,,,, spirit here is worldly spiritual strongholds in Your mind,, carnal mind ,,,
2 Cor. 10-3,5 ,,, pull down cast down take captive every thought ,,, you do it!!!
WWJD ,,,,, ?
Hear Yahweh's Voice and Obey.
Nahoa, you are an amazing young man. Keep up the awesome work.
All will be taught by God ,,, taught here is Sound Down into the Ears
Knock. Knock
Faith comes by hearing God talk to you personally !
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD,,,, Word here is the Holy Spirit, so faith comes by hearing the Holy Spirit talk to you personally .
Keep the Feasts of the Lord by the Spirit once for all time becoming a Temple Made without Hands .
If you're not being personally trained by the Spirit, you haven't started yet !
Hear Yahweh's Voice and Obey.
Boring , let's talk turkey ,,,,
Hear Yahweh's Voice and Obey so it will be well with You ❤️
Living Word,,, watching the Holy Spirit work .
In the lobby at the theater ,,,
Kid 1 is witnessing Jesus to Kid 2,
Kid 3 is pacing trying to decide, the Holy Spirit is telling him to stand on his head against the wall , he decided to be foolish for Jesus.
Kid 2 says OK if there is a God have Him have someone stand on his head against the wall right there right now,,, and when he said now Kid 3 stood on his head against the wall.
Kid 2 received Jesus,
Hmmm 🤔❤️ Helleluyah
Street Ministry apart from the church, the Holy Spirit and work.
Well done Sean.
Thx!
When it comes to whether or not any of the Twelve abandoned the faith, the most important peice of evidence that they didn't was Jesus statement in John 6:70, "one of you is a devil." Jesus tells us which one will abandon the faith, Judas. Jesus chose them, plus He told them that they would rule on 12 thrones with Him in the Kingdom representing the Twelve tribes of Israel. Jesus words alone should be proof enough that Judas was the only one, the Messiah would certainly know. I think you guys are making this too difficult. ~Ken
What about Judas taking his life before Jesus was even crucified. He took his own life realizing he had innocent blood on his hands. I don't think he would be willing to kill himself if he thought this was all a lie, and his motivation of money was filled with conviction. He got rid of the money. I can't imagine he would have killed himself for a lie or any other selfish motive. He must have believed that Jesus was who He said He was. Maybe that's jumping to conclusions but...🤔 Thinking out loud. 🤔
I'm only up to mm 12 so far. You forgot to mention how fast Peter caved after Jesus was arrested. Who knows if the martyrs actually witnessed the ascension? As to why they were willing to die for their beliefs, you only need to study religious cult behavior. These men gave up everything to follow Jesus, and had to follow through to the end whether or not the experience was true or a group psychosis. Interesting topic.
Great interview by both the interviewer and interviewee. Dr. McDowell's attention to Nahoa's time serves well for both. Did Nahoa read Dr McDowell's entire PhD dissertation? Impressive.
We also have the record of 11/12 disciples abandoning Christ. So I am not sure they loved him enough to fake it until they make it.
I greatly wish that the Bible distinguished the John’s a bit more. Maybe a nickname like in the chosen, hahah which one is big John and which one is little John, and then you have John the Baptist who is referred to as just John as well. 😂 melts my tiny brain.
I often cringe a little when I hear about people's qualifications in a faith religion, because to me It doesn't matter if you are young or old, and how educated you are, because in the end people believe Christianity is true based on faith and not by the evidence alone. Because even if the evidence might be better for Christianity over the evidence for other beliefs. You can't say it's true unless you actually know irs true. And all the evidence one has for Christianity's isn't enough to say that. It's best to not believe in any religion and be honest to oneself, and wait until better evidence presents itself, instead of believing by faith hoping that the evidence we do have is good enough now.
I asked Father one day, What's this humble yourself and pray stuff mean,,,, ?
He said, Quit thinking that you have All of the answers and come to Me for the answers .
I had to hear that too lol.
What About the Miracle your not mentioning those of the
prophecys ? You don't address that Either.
I really enjoyed the conversation!! ❤
John died in prison at Patmos. James Johns brother death is covered in Acts. The other James death was noted in Josephus's Wars of the Jews.
Who is this kid genius? He is so mature! I want to adopt him!
God is One. Jesus Christ is not God & can be easily proven 5throughout the NT.
That’s a lie
Good stuff from such a young man-very impressive. However, on the 5 possibilities that the apostles would have not recanted apart from an actual resurrection or some other epistemological/behavioral ideology, you neglect a compendium of historical accounts of people who were “martyrs” or chose to die for false religious/cultish beliefs (knowing it was false). And it wasn’t as if the
apostles/disciples could just go back to their
normal lives if the resurrection was false-they had already suffered under Jewish and Roman persecution and would have thus been continual targets of that persecution.
Wonderful interview, with both interviewer and interviewee demonstrating high competence and professionalism. I love the allusion from Dr. Sean to chylothorax and chyle possibly explaining the tradition of milk spurting from Paul's neck, it is assumed, at his execution by decapitation. Inasmuch as beheading is something that is more reported than done, I believe there is another possibility that experts may have missed, which merits further medical scientific study and analysis. Since the grey and white matter of the brain extend into the spinal cord, is it not possible that, in the event of a decapitation, this grey and white matter might gush or spurt out? It is a fact that the Apostle Paul, like the preponderance of academics, was more of a brainy threat than a physical threat to the Roman Empire (a kind of Professor X syndrome at its most extreme point). Therefore, the rather gory account of Paul's beheading, and the milky spray from his upper body, may indicate that he was persecuted to death for his sanctified intellect, resulting in his bodily demise through martyrdom. Notice 2 Corinthians 10:9-11 in the NKJV: "lest I seem to terrify you by letters. 'For his letters,' they say, 'are weighty and powerful, but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.' Let such a person consider this, that what we are in word by letters when we are absent, such we will also be in deed when we are present." However, while Paul's opponents considered him to have an imbalance of brain, they clearly had an imbalance of brawn - intolerance on steroids! Therefore, I believe that the possibility of an upper body milky spray at Paul's decapitation, apparently from his neck, being composed of white and grey matter from his spinal column, merits equal weight to that of chylothorax and chyle. Either way, or both ways, this is another example of what seems to be embellished tradition ringing surprisingly true, medically and psychosocially, both on the individual level, and as it extends practically into the group.. G-d bless!
Around 1:08, if Peter wasn’t crucified (given that he was “clothed” in John 21), is there any indication of how he was martyred?
Great questions! One buzz killer for someone high on the narcissistic spectrum, is the LORD’s requirement for faith. (Heb 11.16) The teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ require faith to preform correctly. If you obey them to the letter, there is no room for selfish motives, since we are unable to see Our Heavenly Father. Obedience to Jesus Christ’s commandments actually purifies our motives in every way. Since the LORD is the creator of this Universe, he has allowed his Church to succeed and flourish when those members are in line with the foundational cornerstone. I could go into the beneficial spin-offs of an obedient faith in Christ Jesus, but that might require more space in the margins.
I like this guy. I would like to sit down and have a conversation with him.good job!
He's great!
Excellent young man!
Great takes from both bothers.
What a blessing!
PAUL never met Jesus when he was alive. Paul saw a light and promptly went blind. But, he claimed he "saw" the risen Jesus. LOL
Acts 9:2 and suddenly a light from heaven shone around him
Acts 9:8 Saul rose from the ground, and although his eyes were opened, he saw nothing.
Acts 9:9 And for three days he was without sight
Nor did the men with Paul see any physical man, Acts 9:7. Nor is the story in Acts even written by Paul, who supposedly had this supposed experience of a voice speaking to him.
I "see" what you're saying. Oh wait, I can't, since your definition of "see" is only sight in the physical sense
@@timothyn4699 CAN you "see" demons or ghosts or angels or spirits ??
CAN you show ANY EVIDENCE of your superpower to "see" them ??
You poor gullible Xtians are so funny.
LOL
@@timothyn4699 Yes, you do know what I'm saying. No one physical was seen.
That's because Paul was blind: your pathetic strawmaning is just lying!
Sean, how did you conclude that a resurrection was the most probable explanation, over…say…the apostles simply being mistaken about what they(it only takes one to believe it) experienced? How do you factor in the very real grief and stress impact on these followers and the strong potential of grief induced visions?
Maybe because the Resurrection is the simplest explanation in the sense that you don't have to do a bunch of crazy contortions to explain away any of the data like you would with cognitive dissonance/hallucination/swoon/wrong tomb/stolen body or any other non-Resurrection theory.
Simplicity is a huge criterion for evaluating theories. Explanatory scope and power are other ones that could be considered as well.
@@Jimmy-iy9plso long as we agree that “simplest” is by no means “best”.
@Donnie Raines It is important to factor in that if you go with the theory they were mistaken about their experiences and the apostles had experiences that were in fact grief induced, then as Jews it is extremely unlikely they would invent an experience that would include an actual physical resurrection. The message we would have expected would have been one of seeing Jesus appear in a spiritual vision or dream. They would have never assumed Jesus was physically appearing to then, as this would not fit their worldview and understanding at the time.
@@BeachBumZero In the remote chance that you see this reply, do you have links to any further information on this explanation? Would be so helpful to me. Thanks!
Who looks like this going to a donut shop, Dolly, that’s who!!! You two are just so lovely, and exactly, Gio, this is one of your tests!!!! 😛Resist, enjoy your time together, and have coffee, one cream, one sugar for alittle sweet, and you are on your way!!!! There will be so many temptations, you’ve got this, we believe in you!!!!🤗🙏🏻❤️
I think you commented on the wrong channel!lol
😮
What's his channel?
It’s in the video description (Nahoa Life)
@@SeanMcDowell my bad, probably shouldn't drive and be lookin for it anyways lol. Keep up the good work bro. God bless!
Wow! That kid has got to have a genius level IQ. I didn't see a link to his Channel. Did I miss it somewhere?
It’s in the video description
@@SeanMcDowell Sorry I'm very dyslexic and Miss stuff like that. Thank you for letting me know.
Do you believe the Book of James is written by James, the half brother of Jesus ?
WHY did it take James till the resurrection to figure out that his own half brother was god ?
Does this James mention in his book - writing in the first person -something like "I saw the resurrected Jesus" ?
Don't you think that IF you were the brother of Jesus AND you had seen the resurrected Jesus that you'd mention that fact in the book ?
James wasn't an Apostle so he probably didn't see the Resurrected Jesus and believed later after Jesus ascended to Heaven! U R strawmaning again: so pathetic!
@@davidjanbaz7728 PATHETIC. You didn't answer my questions.
LOL
@@davidjanbaz7728 "James wasn't an Apostle" Your bible says otherwise.
I always find it hilarious we have humans in the world that think they know the particulars of something beyond existence and are in communication with it, when humans actually haven't discovered any other life/intelligence existing or any other life coming from elsewhere to earth. Humans have only just started to explore the cosmos. Believers love make believe
You love disbelieving!
They checked to see that the tomb was empty.
What tomb? No one witnessed tomb a being cut by someone called Joseph of Arimathea.
@@jakegreen5081 Then the Romans or Jewish authorities could have written that it didn't exist.
@@jamessheffield4173 It didn't exist, as there are no witnesses to Joseph of Arimathea cutting a tomb. It's a fabrication by believers.
@@jakegreen5081 Duh! They could have interviewed people in Jerusalem or Arimathea and written a tome saying it didn't exist. My elder son Jonathan did a video on YT showing why the Romans couldn't disprove the resurrection. Blessings.
@@jamessheffield4173 There are no witnesses to a tomb being cut in the first place. It's a fabrication by believers.
Considering that Acts was written later where in the texts does it record Paul and Peter’s martyrdom?
6. Survivors Guilt.
The disciples say that Jesus died in their place. And Peter even betrayed him by denying him while Jesus was being questioned. Plus they were more than just a group believing in the coming Messiah. They were a family living together and sharing their property whom also believed in the coming apocalypse.
This does not account for Peter or James though.
no evidence the apostles existed.
There isn't any evidence you exist.
Prove it.
LOL. You're getting predictable these days. How are your cats doing?
@@Levij83 "Prove it."
No contemporary source mentions them, despite the supposed problems they caused. Why would this be, Levi? Of course, no contemporary source mentiosn jesus either, and this is despite the claims that this character was followed around by a literal roman legion's worth of men in Roman-occupied Palestine, supposedly had a triumphal entry into Roman-occupied Jerusalem adn no one noticed when thie character supposedly died, when dead jews were suposedly walking around Roman-occupied jerusalem on a passover, there was a major earthquake and the sky darkened.
@@dylanschweitzer18 oh dear, a christian thinking he's clever. Alas, there is plenty of evidence I exist. There are records of my existence all over the place. Just as there are for you.
This is a common whine from a christian who has nothing to show his myths are true.
"There isn't any evidence you exist."