Many gun company’s have attempted to build the MP5. Rollerlock sheet metal clam shell folded firearms required much more precision to build correct and to spec.
Old tech that doesn't lend itself to modern, inexpensive manufacturing techniques. Not many places still fold steel and weld guns when the same gun can be constructed from a mold and an extruded aluminum handguard.
In the MP5 world, it absolutely is. The PTR-9 and MKE manufactured Century AP5 are around $1,700 to $1,899. The HK SP5 and SP5K are around $2,500 or more. That said, this greatly concerns me as this puts the MAC5 in the price point of Cohare, Vector, Special Weapons, Bobcat, etc. which were all terrible guns. (I owned just about all of them.) Reliable MP5 clones seemingly can't be done that cheap. No MP5 clone sold at that price point has ever been successful. Those were also priced at just over $1,000 10 plus years ago. Factoring in for inflation, these seem way too good to be true. It's also worth pointing out that those crappy Todd Bailey guns were DOA after MKE and POF guns started being imported into the U.S. Of course the licensed contract copy guns are $500-$800 more expensive but they actually work which is something you can't say about the $1,000 MP5 knock offs. It took PTR years to reverse engineer and successfully clone the MP5. The reasons why the Pakistani made POF and Turkish MKE made ATI, Zenith and Century guns work is because they are licensed copies built on HK tooling. These are the factories that made them for the Pakistani and Turkish militaries respectively. I'm a bit of an MP5 whore, so I'd like nothing more than to believe this is possible. However, I'm skeptical this can be done at this price point. But if these end up being good, I'll be all over them.
There is no reason why with the tech we have now vs what was available 30yrs ago that a true MP5 clone can’t be made and be reliable for 1000$ or less. Especially, when a good portion of the gun is polymer and stamped steel.
@@EliAngwin History has shown us otherwise. $1,000 MP5 clones have existed since the late 1990's and early 2000's. None of them were remotely reliable. The only way to make those guns run was to gut them and replace parts with German parts until the damn things worked. Even then, some guns were so far out of spec that this wasn't even possible. That's $1,000 in late 1990's and early 2000's money. They still couldn't make the guns reliable at that price and still turn a profit. The HK MP5 was released in the mid-1960's. It's much more than 30 years old. The Thompson sub-machine gun was invented in the 1920's. It was famously expensive to produce and cost about a third the price of a car in its day. When the military adopted it they started cutting corners on them to make them cheaper to produce. Today, the Auto Ordnance versions of the guns are almost $2,000. 1911 is 100 years old and it costs way more to make a 1911 than it does a Glock. Sure, you can find $400 1911's but they are built in other countries where the labor is considerably cheaper and then they are imported into the U.S. Plus, those guns are not quality weapons. Some designs are more complex than others. A lot of the work to build an MP5 is done by hand. You fold the receiver flat via jig and then it has to be welded together and "boxed" in spec. Then you have to weld on the sights, etc. The barrels are pressed into the trunion. While there is a press used, its still done by a person. The trigger group is far more complicated than something like the CZ Scorpion EVO's. Only the housing of the trigger pack is polymer and while that does include the grip, that's basically it for polymer on the MP5 aside from the handguard. The roller delayed system isn't really all that simple compared to straight blow back pistol caliber carbines and submachine guns. Let's also not forget that PSA actually had a prototype MP5 clone a couple of years ago and they targeted the $1,000 or thereabouts price point. They gave up on that idea because it wasn't viable. Just because a design is older doesn't mean its automatically cheaper to produce. It's not a question of technology, but of complexity and its dependent on how much labor there is involved in the construction of a given item. This is why custom 1911's with non-MIM parts are several thousand dollars. There is a lot of hours of very skilled labor involved in their construction.
@@bozscaggzz7475 SDS Imports referring to their semi-automatic firearm as an 'MP5 clone' is a common practice in the firearm industry focused on marketing and heritage. The original MP5 is an iconic firearm with a strong legacy. The SP5 is Heckler & Koch's very own clone of the MP5. Both the HK SP5 and the SDS Imported MAC-5 are semi-auto “clones” of the MP5. Referring to the SDS imports version as an “SP5 Clone” would be unusual since the SP5 is already a “clone” or adaptation of the MP5. It would be a clone of a clone. When SDS Imports or similar companies import/create their versions, they normally reference the MP5 to capitalize on its widespread recognition and prestige, even though these newer models are semi-automatic like the SP5. This approach isn't about deceiving consumers; it's about aligning with the iconic status of the MP5. The firearm community generally understands this terminology as referring to the style and design lineage rather than the specific technicalities of firing mechanisms.
Fucking finally an MP5 in my budget
Looking forward to this Mac5 mp5 clone on a budget😍😍😍
Many gun company’s have attempted to build the MP5. Rollerlock sheet metal clam shell folded firearms required much more precision to build correct and to spec.
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Hoping these are below MKE in price might get a PK
Cool!
Im hoping they import Turkish G3s too!
I think that Zenith tried to and failed because the AFT said that it was too heavy. They'd have to be imported as rifles afaik
I can’t find out anything is this available yet. I saw they were out of stock but not sure if they are even out yet.
Any update on availability or when they will be released?
If it has the provision for a brace to be attached it is far more attractive.
It isn't MKE but it is made in Turkey by MERTSAV
So its an MKE gun with a new importer?
Little birdy told me the guns have an awful lot in common...
@@BurstReview yeah LOL its the same gun LOL as long as the price stays down a little competitions with atlantic firearms is a good thing!
It's made by Mertsav.
Better get a good Tig welder.
Why the high price exactly? The technology to build them is 30 years old and the materials are 30 years old.
Greed😊
because hk charges 2500 and dumb fucks buy it, theres no reason this thing should be more than 600 bucks
Old tech that doesn't lend itself to modern, inexpensive manufacturing techniques. Not many places still fold steel and weld guns when the same gun can be constructed from a mold and an extruded aluminum handguard.
I get what you’re saying, but nobody owes you anything. When some empty fives are costing 3000+ , 1000 is a good deal.
@@trevot11 yes but real MP5s are not $3000 because of their technology or materials. They are $3000 because of the brand name Heckler and Koch.
I like how 1,000 is "affordable"
It for sure is when the other options are 2-3 times the price. It’s called relativity, and relatively this is affordable😊
In the MP5 world, it absolutely is. The PTR-9 and MKE manufactured Century AP5 are around $1,700 to $1,899. The HK SP5 and SP5K are around $2,500 or more. That said, this greatly concerns me as this puts the MAC5 in the price point of Cohare, Vector, Special Weapons, Bobcat, etc. which were all terrible guns. (I owned just about all of them.) Reliable MP5 clones seemingly can't be done that cheap. No MP5 clone sold at that price point has ever been successful. Those were also priced at just over $1,000 10 plus years ago. Factoring in for inflation, these seem way too good to be true.
It's also worth pointing out that those crappy Todd Bailey guns were DOA after MKE and POF guns started being imported into the U.S. Of course the licensed contract copy guns are $500-$800 more expensive but they actually work which is something you can't say about the $1,000 MP5 knock offs. It took PTR years to reverse engineer and successfully clone the MP5. The reasons why the Pakistani made POF and Turkish MKE made ATI, Zenith and Century guns work is because they are licensed copies built on HK tooling. These are the factories that made them for the Pakistani and Turkish militaries respectively.
I'm a bit of an MP5 whore, so I'd like nothing more than to believe this is possible. However, I'm skeptical this can be done at this price point. But if these end up being good, I'll be all over them.
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There is no reason why with the tech we have now vs what was available 30yrs ago that a true MP5 clone can’t be made and be reliable for 1000$ or less. Especially, when a good portion of the gun is polymer and stamped steel.
@@EliAngwin History has shown us otherwise. $1,000 MP5 clones have existed since the late 1990's and early 2000's. None of them were remotely reliable. The only way to make those guns run was to gut them and replace parts with German parts until the damn things worked. Even then, some guns were so far out of spec that this wasn't even possible. That's $1,000 in late 1990's and early 2000's money. They still couldn't make the guns reliable at that price and still turn a profit.
The HK MP5 was released in the mid-1960's. It's much more than 30 years old. The Thompson sub-machine gun was invented in the 1920's. It was famously expensive to produce and cost about a third the price of a car in its day. When the military adopted it they started cutting corners on them to make them cheaper to produce. Today, the Auto Ordnance versions of the guns are almost $2,000.
1911 is 100 years old and it costs way more to make a 1911 than it does a Glock. Sure, you can find $400 1911's but they are built in other countries where the labor is considerably cheaper and then they are imported into the U.S. Plus, those guns are not quality weapons. Some designs are more complex than others. A lot of the work to build an MP5 is done by hand. You fold the receiver flat via jig and then it has to be welded together and "boxed" in spec. Then you have to weld on the sights, etc. The barrels are pressed into the trunion. While there is a press used, its still done by a person.
The trigger group is far more complicated than something like the CZ Scorpion EVO's. Only the housing of the trigger pack is polymer and while that does include the grip, that's basically it for polymer on the MP5 aside from the handguard. The roller delayed system isn't really all that simple compared to straight blow back pistol caliber carbines and submachine guns.
Let's also not forget that PSA actually had a prototype MP5 clone a couple of years ago and they targeted the $1,000 or thereabouts price point. They gave up on that idea because it wasn't viable. Just because a design is older doesn't mean its automatically cheaper to produce. It's not a question of technology, but of complexity and its dependent on how much labor there is involved in the construction of a given item. This is why custom 1911's with non-MIM parts are several thousand dollars. There is a lot of hours of very skilled labor involved in their construction.
If it was 500 or 700 i would get it lol
I don't think it's possible to get that gun nuch cheaper. I think I heard they only make like $50 on each one
These are sp5 and sp5k clones. Mp5 would be full auto.
It’s a clone of the full auto version
@@ItsPaulby no its not. There is no full option for this nor will auto parts work
@@bozscaggzz7475 SDS Imports referring to their semi-automatic firearm as an 'MP5 clone' is a common practice in the firearm industry focused on marketing and heritage. The original MP5 is an iconic firearm with a strong legacy.
The SP5 is Heckler & Koch's very own clone of the MP5. Both the HK SP5 and the SDS Imported MAC-5 are semi-auto “clones” of the MP5. Referring to the SDS imports version as an “SP5 Clone” would be unusual since the SP5 is already a “clone” or adaptation of the MP5. It would be a clone of a clone.
When SDS Imports or similar companies import/create their versions, they normally reference the MP5 to capitalize on its widespread recognition and prestige, even though these newer models are semi-automatic like the SP5. This approach isn't about deceiving consumers; it's about aligning with the iconic status of the MP5. The firearm community generally understands this terminology as referring to the style and design lineage rather than the specific technicalities of firing mechanisms.
@@ItsPaulby sp5 isn't a clone, it's hk's civilian version that is not full auto.
@bozscaggzz7475 you can put the binary trigger in these and pretty much have a full auto
They don't know what braces are? 😬 and ur a firearms manf company.
Im pretty sure hes talking about in the eyes of the government. The legality of them has been pretty up in the air this past year
I didn’t buy a Mercedes Benz clone and I am not buying a SP5 clone either, knock-offs are embarrassing 😂
Nobody is impressed by your Mercedes and buying an Sp5 even though you’re only going to shoot it twice a year isn’t much of a flex Melissa
Embarrassing? That’s a pretty deuchey thing to say . How about the mp 7 clones ? You can’t get a real mp7 so a clone is all you can get
@@bryonflaherty5957 get off the game counsel and live reality, nobody needs 4.6x30 😂
It's not a knockoff when that patent expires.
It's just a 9mm at the end of the day....yawn.
so is every other gun chambered in 9mm?
So you clearly know better than special forces units of the past and current SWAT teams around the country?
It’s the softest shooting sub gun and best overall.
You clicked on a MP5 clone video, Wtf did you expect? 🤣🤡
@@KajacotBro, 9mm subguns are getting dropped by everyone but the Army.