The Truth About John And Tom Fogerty's Feud
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- For much of the 1960s and 1970s, Creedence Clearwater Revival was a force to be reckoned with on the pop charts. But behind the scenes, brothers John and Tom Fogerty were waging a feud that ultimately went beyond death.
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What do you feel was CCR's best album?
Mardis Gras.
Cosmo's Factory, almost a Greatest hits album with two FM classics Ramble Tamble and the 11minute Heard it through the Grapevine.
@@petercena9497 Yep. Gotta' give it up for Cosmo's Factory.
Cosmo's Factory is the first album I ever bought and their Best, but Pendulum is my favorite. Mo lee e e na where you goin' to?
Cosmos Factory
If I was in a band with legendary John Fogerty I would sit back and count the money and leave my pride at the door.
You nailed it. What idiots the other band members were, who couldn't create hits without John.
Mardi Gras proved that.
@@l.rongardner2150 Fact👍✌️
The other 3 rode John's coat tails to fame & fortune, and then they bitched about it. Let's hear some of those great hits by Tom Fogerty, Stu Cook, and Doug Clifford, like, er, um....................and..................lets see..........................geez, I can't think of any of them at this minute..............
Sure if all you cared about was money. For Tom it wasn't about pride or money. He had his own songs he wanted to sing and wasn't going to get the opportunity in CCR.
How sad it is that a band that created such wonderful music let ego, resentment and bitterness affect their judgement instead of trying to resolve their difference's and continue
Sounds like you could be describing Pink Floyd.
I had a roommate that met Tom while my friend was working room services at a hotel in Phoenix, being a huge CCR fan he recognized him right away. Tom would come to town for treatments, he told my roommate it was cancer, and every time he came to town he'd order room service and talk music with my roommate. One of his last trips he brought him an autographed Tom Fogerty solo album. My roommate was so proud to call Tom a friend. I have no idea what exactly went on with Tom and John but I know Tom didn't need to be nice to my roommate like he was. Besides not being able to patch things up with his brother, it saddens me that Tom and others had to hide their HIV diagnosis back then.
5yearsout - he got Aids from a blood transfusion. The guy could've mentioned that.
@@marilynking4003 Right? Any biography I read about Tom was he was given tainted blood. Why this was not mentioned is a glaring omission.
@@marilynking4003 Believe me I know how he got it, it still saddens me that we treated people the way we did back then. No matter how people caught HIV they deserved dignity.
@@5yearsout Oh absolutely! I was a fan of Queen and hated to lose such an amazing talent. I think he helped bring awareness and acceptance.
While it was a decidedly diifferent time back then, if HIV had not been a late 20th century malady but instead emerged today to the same profound lack of knowledge from the worldwifde community at large and without simple treatments with oral medications, I very strongly, sadly, suspect that HIV patients would still be received today as they were in the late 20th century. It was it's times equivalent of the worldwide Covid-19 pandemic
I remember it vividly as I was in a eight year surgically based doctoral curriculum. We as surgery students were not forced to treat anyone having HIV as a simple, not uncommon blood products exposure could end our careers before they started. In the intervening 40 years of medical research and pharmaceutical advances we've moved light years ahead of back in the eighties.. However, no-one should fool themselves for a moment that in a vacuum of research information and lack of simple oral medical regimens that HIV patients would be treated any differently today. Truly it was it's times equivalent of today's Covid-19 global pandemic with very few people agreeing on what it was, the threat it presented to others and how it should best be treated.
My dad has a friend that grew up with the Fogerty's. He said Tom and John always hated each other, even as kids. They fought over everything
Damn
I don’t believe John & Tom always loathed, each other! Even when Tom was dying, John had no ill feelings against, Tom!
@@davidkirkham6497 I don't think that's true. Supposedly (according to John) Tom said on his deathbed that Saul Zaentz was his best friend. Whether or not it is true, that's what John wrote about his own brother in his autobiography. So it sounds like there were problems between them to the bitter end.
@@frogger1952 That is true Tom stated Saul Zaentz was his best friend! John was not enamoured with the statement true, however, he did not loathe his Brother, Tom! Obtw, when the “Blue Velvets(John, Cook & Clifford)wanted a singer, John had to lobby hard to get Tom into the band! Does that sound like John loathed his Brother, Tom?
@@davidkirkham6497 At the time he lobbied to get his brother in the band it sounded like everything was OK between them. But the relationship seemed to deteriorate over time. Look at the back cover of Pendulum. It's a picture of 3 guys standing in the doorway and Tom off to the side separate from them looking out a window. Tom had already quit the band right before the album was released. Then, despite multiple requests to rejoin the band, John wanted nothing to do with him. To show how insignificant John thought of Tom, their final tour didn't even include a rhythm guitar. They were not on speaking terms when Tom passed away. Maybe "loathe" is too strong a word, but the two certainly were not getting along.
In life, sometimes you have to let it be, move on and let go, just for the sake of peace.
CCR still sounds superb even by today's standards. Amazing band.
Even by todays standards?
Lol.
There haven't been standards or musical integrity in that business for decades
Yes
Sad. John just had a strong drive, talent and a great voice.
strong drive can = greedy ...
@@what1864 that is absolutely right and i think john was pretty greedy but thats just my opinion what do i know
@@paullittle2037 Well he literally did write Every good song they had according to the video, so maybe that made him feel entitled. Not saying that it was right though.
@@what1864 I wouldn't say greedy. Perfectionism and wanting to be the best was his motivation.
Hätte John Tom erlaubt ein bis 2 Lieder beizutragen wäre CCR garantiert länger zusammen geblieben! Keine Frage,John war der treibende Kraft bei CCR und seine Kompusitionen wurden Welthits.
Trotzdem hätte er Tom die Chance geben müssen selbst Lieder beizutragen!
Ich habe alle CDS von Tom und es sind viele gute Stücke dabei die auf CCR Alben gepasst hätten.
Liebe Grüße von einem großen CCR Fan aus Deutschland.
I saw a documentary on Netflix recently that ended up with them playing in the Royal Albert Hall. They showed a lot of the actual concert and they sounded amazing IMO. So tight, one of the greatest rock/blues bands of all time. It’s sad that at some point they weren’t able to forgive each other while they were alive . We all fight with our siblings and who knows what we would do if you threw massive fame into that equation.
And yet John had nothing but contempt for the musical abilities of his bandmates. I love CCR and John's music, but after reading his autobiography Fortunate Son it left me actually a lot less sympathetic to John. The level of bitterness he carries even now is rather ugly.
@@_PeremalfaitWell the the comprehension you have is next to “idiot,” status!
Music executives stole many an artist’s work. Look at what happened with Prince. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Saul Zaentz had not been in the way.
I'm not a John Fogerty "worshipper." He makes mistakes like anybody. But I think he cared about CCR's music more than the others.
Mardi Gras has some great moments but most of them are John's. To be fair, the best 2 songs on it that were not sung or written by John were Stu's Door To Door and Cosmo's Tearing Up The Country. They wound up on the B-sides of the singles from that album. The rest of the album was forgettable.
The real villain of CCR's was Saul Zaentz. If the others supported John, they may have stuck together longer. Instead, they formed an alliance with the guy who screwed all of them. It's too bad John and Tom hadn't reconciled like John wanted. Rest in peace, Tom.
Zaentz promising the others solo record deals and using them as pawns to hurt John was pure evil. Causing animosity amongst the band members prevented them from putting up a unified front to renegotiate that horrible CCR record deal.
@@DulcimeristIt’s called, divide & conquer!
@@davidkirkham6497 Yep! Zaentz deviously manipulated people behind the scenes, with his goal of getting as much money as possible. I blame him more than anyone for what happened to the band.
John was the creative force behind the band, but his music never sounded as good as it did with CCR. There was a magic in having those four guys together.
I agree, and Doug Clifford was a damn good drummer.
Well, John would get sued every time he tried to record anything similar to what he did in CCR, so that may have been the problem.
@@richardthompson6366 every time? That only ever happened once
People seem to forget that these guys were very good friends with each other. Maybe not Tom and John, but as a group they were a close unit. there's a saying that you can get very skilled players in one room together, but if they don't like each other then the end result will be crap. The other three weren't stellar instruments, but I think their camaraderie showed in the music, which is why people loved connecting to it. It was four guys having a great time playing some great music.
@@richardthompson6366 Zaentz sued John only once for sounding like himself, which was Old Man Down the Road. Zaentz suing John over Vanz Kant Danz and Mr. Greed were for a different reason, plus those songs angered Zaentz and gave him extra motivation to go after John on Old Man Down the Road.
It's a shame that Saul Zaentz kept telling the other members how talented they were, offering solo deals to Tom and Doug, and fueling the animosity in the band so that the members wouldn't be able to put up a unified front to renegotiate that horrible record contract. Zaentz is the real reason the band broke up, causing and worsening problems within the band.
yes, john was the head of the group, he wrote all their hits and have an amazing voice, but the others created a sound that made them such a unique band, they were so tight, they remember me a proto ACDC.
I agree w you 100%. Sure John was the major talent, no argument here. But while he's gone on to a pretty good solo career, he's never been as successful as when he was with Doug, Stu, and Tom. Those 4 truly had a special sound that you could identify immediately. I've been singing their songs (to myself, of course) for over 50 years.
Agreed. These four musicians played tight, and really clicked while playing. It's a shame that it wasn't the case on a personal level.
I love John's solo albums, but there was always an emptiness of sorts with the rhythm section on his 70s and 80s solo albums.
John Fogerty WAS Credence Clearwater Revival. It was HIS songs, it was HIS voice, it was HIS guitar playing that made CCR great. John and CCR would have sounded just as great with ANY other band members. The same cannot be said of the rest of the band. Speaking of which... where is the rest of the band (that's still alive)??? Long forgotten. John is still out there, still sounding great, and still playing guitar great.
*Creedence Clearwater Revival
Yes
they're in a cover band playing john's songs... lol
and not known for sounding great either
@@Mxulin
Now, now, CC Revisited was great, AND the closest thing you’d get to the original, when they had John Tristao doing the vocals.
Sad the fools fired him.
Creedence Clearwater Revisited put on decent shows, and those members definitely aren't forgotten.
I don't know, to me the main truth behind these brothers is that one of them is insanely talented who wrote, crafted and basically ran the group and the other brother was just an average Joe who played rhythm guitar. But nevertheless, CCR is definitely within the top 4 or 5 of my favorite bands of all time!
That's hilarious 😂, they fought hard to get to write their own songs and failed miserably. Destroying one of the best bands ever because they couldn't face the truth that John was the driving force to their success.
They failed miserably because the lead singer refused to sing or play lead guitar on any songs he didn't write. John destroyed the band because he's a control freak.
I adore CCR from the 60's.
However the band made the sound.
Not just John..
@@gator2813 Having heard some of Tom's and Doug's solo work post-CCR, John was right not to cede control.
@@The_Umpteenth_Doctor He couldn't allow anyone else to have any input whatsoever? If it was the John Fogerty band I would agree, but it wasn't.
@@gator2813 "They failed miserably because the lead singer refused to sing or play lead guitar on any songs he didn't write". Thank you. You just explained that John WAS CCR. It was HIS voice, and it was HIS song writing, and it was HIS guitar playing that made CCR what it was. ONLY after John started writing the songs, did the band become famous. "He couldn't allow anyone else to have any input whatsoever?". And, ONLY after the rest of the band had input and was writing songs... did the band BOMB. Where are the rest of the band members (that are still alive)??? Long forgotten. John could have back then, just like he does now, get along great without ANY and ALL them. The opposite CANNOT be said. CCR WAS John. And for proof, all you have to do is watch any of the concert videos, or hear any of the music, JOHN is putting out now. If anything, it sounds even better now, than it did back during CCR's time.
That's Sad,I had
No Idea.I was just a kid growing up in da 70s,Love CCR,Proud Mary was my guitar song to play at Summer camp,literally at Camp Maryhill,Thanks for sharing.Jcsx
They were too envious to admit the truth, they should’ve been like weezer and just enjoyed the ride!!
That can be hard when the guy driving is a total control freak and being an absolute dick.
Exactly! That's all they had to do, keep their mouths shut, play their instruments, take it to the bank, they had it made because of John👍✌️
Pendulum is a great album.
Cosmos facturi too.
CCR for ever,great band,great music!
Great vid! This explains a lot of things about why CCR broke up. A clash of egos has foundered many a band.
John talked about when they were in the studio after the intervention. John asked Tom to come up with a little guitar fill in a song. They sat there for 10 minutes in complete silence before Tom managed played something. It was so bad it was never used. John ended doing it himself like everything else.
Well, if the fill would have given him partial songwriting credit so he could have got some of the royalties, he might have done a better job. But it wouldn't have, just like George created all the guitar fills for the Lennon McCartney songs and Ringo wrote all the drum parts but never got a dime of songwriting royalties except for their own songs.
when did John say this? Did you mean Stu? John does recall an instance where he asked Stu to create a bass lick for a song, and ultimately John wrote it for him because Stu was struggling. But why would John ask Tom, the rhythm guitarist, to write a lead part? And, why would John only give 10 minutes to come up with a usable lick?
Tom had so much touble playing the acoustic rhythm on Down On The Corner that John did it himself.
John gave them everything and they gave him the shaft.
Bass guy Stu Cook went on to become part of Southern Pacific. A great country band that shined bright in the mid 80s. I don't know what else.
Doug and Stu were part of the Don Harrison Band which was okay not great. Pub/club level at best.
@@swinetrek Their version of 16 Tons was pretty good. Had the 45.
John is probably my biggest hero in music but I’ve played in enough bands to know what’s going to happen when the band is an autocracy. I’ve heard most of Tom’s songs from his solo efforts and while they don’t live up to John’s standards some would have been good enough for album tracks. Band dynamics always change. It doesn’t matter how much success the band has. There’s always at least one member who isn’t happy with their lot in life.
And when the other band members revolt, and want their music on the album, this is what happens, Tom, Doug & Stu's music was a failure. They could not write, sing, or perform & play like John Fogerty did. The band self imploded from within due to the 3 of them, none of which were that great on their instruments anyway. John could have picked guys up off the street and sounded just as good with them. It was John Fogerty's band. There are reasons that John Smith is sitting on the bench of the baseball team, while Ted Williams is playing. John Smith was hitting .076, while Ted Williams was hitting over .400. Why do people think that they're so much better than someone else, when they're really not. How many albums did Tom Fogerty sell? How many did John sell with CCR or solo albums? That should tell you where the talent was.
There's a word for John's 3 other band members....................ingrates.
Yeah, Tom's solo albums are good. Not great like Johns, as you mentioned. It's too bad that Tom wanted music to be just a day job so he could so home to his family every night. He would've had more success if he had toured to promote his albums.
It's also a shame that Saul Zaentz kept telling the other members how talented they were, offering solo deals to Tom and Doug, and fueling the animosity in the band so that the members wouldn't be able to put up a unified front to renegotiate that horrible record contract. Zaentz is the real reason the band broke up, causing and worsening problems within the band.
I don’t know enough of the truth to comment but I would love to hear everyone’s side of the story I’m so thankful to CCR for the great music
Scott, I disagree, whole heartily! Can you imagine a new Creedence Clearwater Revival song being introduced to the buying public with Tom Fogerty’s songs. That would have gone over like a “lead” balloon! Same way Clifford & Cooks songs went over on Marti Gras! Anything less then John Fogerty singing & writing was watering down the incredible legacy they had developed! John knew it, the others couldn’t see it. All the songs Tom Fogerty came up with were lame, as well as Cook & Clifford’s songs! Why do you think all their music have stood the test of time & are just as relevant today as they were on original release!
@@davidkirkham6497 It's going to be horrible when people start using artificial intelligence to create new Creedence Clearwater Revival songs. They did that with the Beatles recently, and it's only a matter of time before they're doing it for every popular musical artist/group. We're both going to be angry when people start making and releasing that stuff.
I wouldn't classify Tom's songs as "lame." They're decent for people who like his particular musical style. "Myopia" and "Zephyr National" might be his better albums. The problem is that many people listen to Tom's stuff expecting it to sound like Creedence Clearwater Revival, but his style is much different. Tom's stuff is good for what it is, but it's not of the same style and caliber as the band.
Vetnam. Run through the jungle one of the songs most played in country
It was about gun control
Run Through The Jungle is about guns in the U.S not Vietnam despite the jungle imagery. John stated this in at least two interviews.
@@roberthill799 I didn't say it was about vetnam it was one of the most played songs over there. I was there. Army 1970. 73. Vetnam 1971 72
Sorry Randle. I misread your post.
@@roberthill799 it is ok I have done that a bunch of times.
Considering how bad the rest of the band was in comparison and how little they cared about the music, John really shouldn't have given them equal rights for the songs. And that they then went after him...
Funniest was probably when he got sued for sounding too much like CCR as a solo artist. 🤦🏼♂️😂
John isn't a control freak, he's a perfectionist, doing two full shows of sound checking each gig, deleting anything not meant to be published so there's no bootleg that sounds wrong to him, but still very respectful to all.
After the breakup the acrimony was over recording contracts and song ownership. For decades John wouldn’t perform his own CCR hits
He had a brother who was the proverbial goose that laid golden eggs and was a part of that magic but he just couldn't let himself enjoy it. Sad.
Thanks to Saul Zaentz continually promising him solo record deals and encouraging him to leave the band.
I think recording two or more albums a year with lots of touring in between trips to the studio will eventually take a toll on all members of a band.
How did Tom come to know Saul as his best friend? I like the classic CCR songs but don't know much about the band/record label politics. Was Saul using Tom to go after John? This video mentioned Tom suing John in 78 - did Saul instigate that?
Saul did use Tom to get revenge on John for leaving Fantasy Records. Tom kept promising Tom solo record deals, and was stringing Tom along on getting songs on the soundtracks of the movies he produced. One of those songs was "Unbearable Lightness of Being", which is on Tom's posthumous "Sidekicks" album - and was not featured in Saul's movie of the same name. Saul was the puppetmaster of all the turmoil within the band, feeding egos and dissent.
Love Creedance
In the new Netflix documentary, John's haircut should be nominated for best supporting actor.
John Fogerty was the one that got them signed to that bad contract, even after the rest of the band said it was a bad deal. Great artist. Horrible businessman
Stu Cook's dad was a Lawyer and John gave the contact to Stu to have him look it over. Stu told John "his dad said it was fair " So they all signed it. Non said it was a bad deal, but it obviously was. Kown your History before commenting...
That was on the say so of Stu's lawyer Dad saying it was okay or did Stu lie?
Most probably Stu Lied and Never showed the contract to his dad....
@@jmweed1861 Apparently it was the standard recording contract which is totally biased in favor of the record company. After their first two albums were successful, I would think all 4 band members could have renegotiated the contract. They sure had plenty of leverage.
@@frogger1952 That's exactly why Zaentz fueled the animosity between the band members - so they wouldn't be able to put up a unified front to stand up against him and renegotiate that contract.
Reminds me of The Jackson 5….which should have been called Michael Jackson and His 4 Less Talented Brothers.
I hope Jermaine doesnt read this...u might have an argument on your hands...one he wont win, but an argument none the less.
@@markherring3513 Who?
@@anthonykelly1368 Exactly
Did you mean 4 Less talented or far less talented?
Tito used to serve me my Happy Meals when I was a kid visiting McDonald's.
John Fogerty is the song writer of ALL the CCR hits - this created jeolosy and resentment with the other 3 band members. When the other members got to put their songs on an album , it bombed proving who the real star was. They all contributed to the CCR sound but John was the writer/frontman and that's the way the cookie crumbles. " Rock & Roll is a viscious game " - April Wine.
Nobody is ever satisfied !
Yeah brothers are like that, right RON!!!!!!!
No one can stay prolific forever. Dylan couldn't. Springsteen couldnt.
The hot fire burns out after 4 or 5 years or sooner. John Fogerty was lucky in the sense that he never had to publicly go into a decline as the leader of CCR. It's sad about him and his brother though.
John was a mess in the late 1970s, especially after the band's money was lost in that collapse of the offshore bank Saul Zauntz got the band to invest all their money in.
I was a subscriber here, then AI took over, the channel owner stopped talking to subscribers in the Comments section..
It was good while it lasted.
Without John, the rest of the band would be nowhere.. this debate should have been put to rest decades ago.. he wrote all of their quality songs, arranged and produced them, played all the other instruments beyond guitar and to cap it all off had that incredible voice.. there is no argument.. John WAS Creedence..
The Kinks, Oasis, The Everlys,..siblings in bands have big problems, same as many siblings in life, but in a band you have to create a living with them, it's sad that Tom passed away so young,perhaps he and John could have buried the hatchet, as senior citizens.
and they never patched it up before Tom died. another family that feuded later on were the Beach Boys. and Saul stole all of Johns music
@@oldermusiclover John lost the rights to his own music because he made bad business decisions and treated his bandmates, including his brother like subserviates.
@@gator2813 John's bad business decision was giving ANY credit to the rest of the band for the music. And again... who is out there still. Who are people paying to see. JOHN. You sound like a marginal individual pissed because you don't get credit for what someone ELSE does.
@@gator2813 You have no idea what your big mouth is spewing! Your a loser, yourself! I have read some of your posts before with regards to CCR, and most are pure BS, just opinions of your loser mentality!
Did John ever visit Tom in his hospice bed? That’s how you know you’ve held a grudge too long.
Tom had a band, but John came out of the military and took it, so of course he was pissed
Pug honeycutt, your statement is not true! You shouldn’t shoot of your “big mouth” when you have no idea how it all went down! John Fogerty & Cook & Clifford were an instrumental group & decided to expand & took on John’s Brother, Tom as a vocalist! BTW, John had to lobby for this to happen. Your like a lot of other “jerks” on here that make erroneous statements with regards to Creedence Clearwater Revival!
@@davidkirkham6497 based on John's own words in an interview
@@pughoneycutt1986 Not true! John didn’t takeover Tom’s band! Tom joined John Fogerty’s band!
Tom was a singer and the other three decided they needed a singer. Tom couldn't play guitar so John taught him. Tom was an average player at best. The change to John singing wasn't overnight but took place over a couple of years.
@@swinetrek where the record company SCREWED up was they should have signed John as a solo artist and and replaced him in CCR and kept the whole thing going
John Fogerty FORCED CCR to sign that contract with Fantasy Records, which meant they were all stuck with Fantasy... the reason Tom stuck by Zanz is because he was contracted to him, and that was because of the contract JOHN MADE THEM SIGN!!!!
That is not, true! They all signed the contract, freely! Every decision took all four members to agree or it didn’t go forward! You shouldn’t be shooting off your “big” mouth when you have no idea what you’re yapping, about!
Tom got it from blood transfusion.... many peeps got it that way at it's peaks.
weird,,,,i thought Tom passed earlier. Anyone remember his band Ruby ? I don't think it went anywhere.
Nice Flying V, tho.
Ruby's song "Bart" is their only famous song, due to the BBC using it in their bumpers. His earlier stuff is better, with his two 1974 albums probably being his best.
John WAS CCR. Face it. No need to fight like that. Mick IS the Stones, and they never fought like this. Realize how lucky you are and let it be.
Excuse me, Keith is just as much the Stones as Mick is.
Keith writes all the songs, Mick lyrics.. Both are the Stones
Hmmm One can never know for sure if they were not there ,
but if I had to reveal what I'm inclined to believe , my guess would be that the band members were extremely jealous of John's abilities of composition , singing and playing . They should have humbled themselves and been grateful they had someone of John's abilities " guiding " the band . Without him they would have never made it .
Bad blood never dies.
What a bunch of lies, wonder who compiled this ??
John was the voice and sound of Creedence, period. We weren’t interested in Tom, Tom needed to go away and let John cook, Tom’s jealousy and desire to be the front man was the entire problem.
Horseshit. John was a control freak. All the other band members wanted to do was contribute and have some say into what they put out as a band. John couldn't handle that.
@@gator2813 The rest of the band was NOTHING, musicians are a dime a dozen, John was the sound, the voice of Creedence, nothing else mattered. Nobody cared ONE IOTA about the musicians, we wanted to hear John, PERIOD.
@@eagle1845 You speak for everyone now? I must have missed that memo.
@@eagle1845 Then John should have gone solo instead of being such a dick to his bandmates.
@@gator2813 Very true look what happened when CCR the Band was inducted in the crappy RnRH OF Shame John got his way again
Sibling rivalry and egos.
Tom's voice was twee. His songs were okay, nothing great. I bought his albums but there were few excellent songs. Most were like mid sixties based pop. John was the talent. John taught Tom to play the guitar and Stu to play bass. At times I am convinced that it was just John and Doug on some songs because the bass and rhythm guitar were better than usual.
So John's a control freak AH basically.
Yeah, and the moment he let his control go, the band imploded…
@@bluesauthority Yup. I remember. Never has such a hyper-successful band gone to hell in a handbasket in such record time. It seemed like it happened overnight to fans back in the day. We were stunned.
Yep and he controlled it well.
@@robertallan6373 indeed! There was no complaining when the money was coming in…
No . John is not a control freak.
I don't understand how you came to that conclusion .
Cosmo's Factory is their Sgt. Pepper...
BROTHERLY "LOVE"!
Amazing how egos have destroyed so msny good bsnds. The onky bsnd i csn think of right off the top of my head where all the guys hot along and genuinely cared for each other is RUSH. Or how founding members can get booted so easily. See Styx and Dennis DeJong. Or Heart which has zero original members left. But Ann abd Nancy were able to get all the power and take the band name
THIS, IS WHAT HAPPENS, when money/ego/pride/ FAME, enter into ones' heart. Results, are disastrous, and there is N O ROOM for repentance; ie) go back to before all this started, and REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS. GO BACK, to traditional LOVE, putting others' ahead of yourself. '' PRIDE, GOETH BEFORE A FALL ''. = poor John Fogerty, has to live with this, for the rest of his miserable days. oh well, just another sad story, in a generation of lost BIBLICAL VALUES.
It's a good thing that biblical values ARE lost. Incest, fratricide, plagues, sexism, bigotry, mass murder, etc. etc.
I guess democracy doesn’t always work
Indeed. Look at The Beatles. It was amazing that they held it together as long as they did.
@@Au60schild the Stones lasted a long time ,until a death changed things
@@arthurbrumagem3844 The Stones have been anything but democratic in their operations for many long decades. The glimmer twins have been at the band's center of day to day ops for as long as I can remember.
@@Au60schild didn’t mean to infer that they were democratic just that somehow they have endured the years relatively intact.
Well, to be fair, a dictatorship is the most effective form of government, lol. Or is it "efficent" form of goverment...?
Im sure hits existed on the last 2 Creedence albums . But music was changing by then , with short , catchy songs being replaced by complex philisophical medleys of ideas , influenced by A DAY IN THE LIFE by the Beatles , etc . Probably the label noticed the band feuding , and just failed to promote the last albums .
I wonder who were the worst brothers to each other the Fogerty brothers or the Gallagher brothers? Lol
Everly Brothers.
@@stevemurray2737 Smothers Brothers
@@chester_re The Kinks’ Davies Brothers.. Hatred..
Mario Brothers
all i can say is when in ccr john wrote some of the best rock songs ever written , after the break up he never wrote another that compared ...
If I remember correctly... whenever he wrote a song as a solo act - the band/production company would attempt to sue him for sounding too much like CCR.
@@JJ-rr3tc False. That only happened one time, and it was Saul Zaentz who went after him. John fired the first shots at Saul with the songs "Zaentz Can't Dance / Vanz Kant Danz" and "Mr. Greed" - but those shots were warranted, due to how Zaentz treated him and turned his bandmates against him.
@@Dulcimerist The truth is that it was STU COOK who went to Saul Zaentz and said, "John just released a song called "Old Man Down The Road" that sounds a lot like "Run Through The Jungle." You should sue him for copyright infringement since you own the copyright to "Run Through The Jungle." That is a fact. Zaentz took Cook's suggestion and brought suit against John for plagiarising his own damn song!!
@@kensettle3184 Zaentz had already sued John over two other songs on the Centerfield album, prior to suing him over "Old Man Down the Road." Zaentz made up the story in his court testimony about "drummer" Stu Cook coming to his office and playing the song for him, trying to make it look like it wasn't his idea, because of his previous two lawsuits making him look like his goal was simply to harass John. Zaentz had some other weird quotes in his testimony as well.
Cook admitted that he in fact DID go to Zaentz with the information and the suggestion to file a copyright infringement suit in this case. The other two songs that you mention that Zaentz sued John over were not Copyright infringement suits, they were Defamation suits, claiming that "Zaentz Kant Danz" and "Mr. Greed" were swipes at him personally. @@Dulcimerist
Tom should have forgive his brother.
Not sure what you mean, but it was Tom who stabbed John in his back. I don’t see why Tom should forgive John.
@@Sauromannen Why would he say that John is controlling? The two of them should have stopped their stupid feud.
@@jasonfoley6502 Honestly, I think you need to look at the history of this. Saul Zaentz screwed CCR and still Tom sided with him.
@@Sauromannen Tom even while dying of AIDS still viewed Saul as a good friend, wow just wow.
@@Sauromannen John Fogerty screwed CCR. Saul Zaentz was John's karma.
Who knows, without Tom, doug and Stu in the very beginning, Maybe John would of never been famous or as famous?
There was a very good reason John was the songwriter.....because he was great at it!!!! The other band members were just not on that level. That's why the album the other members wrote songs on flopped. Bottom line is know & accept your limitations. Don't try to be something you're not.
There was no fued. Tom was a jealous dink, and when John said ok, you can write your own songs, Tom bailed. Total stiff.
No. Saul Zaentz offered Tom a solo record deal in an attempt to make even more money off of the band's members.
Then Saul was a crook (obviously) and an idfor thinking Tom had the same musical talent as John. Tom never wrote one lick or riff during his CCR days and his solo albums flopped bigly
@@jeffworob3453 That's an accurate description of Saul Zaentz. He was mostly using Tom as a pawn to get revenge on John for leaving Fantasy Records. Zaentz was pure evil, and was the real reason the band broke up - he fueled animosity within the band do they couldn't put up a unified front to demand a renegotiation of that horrible contract. Zaentz also convinced the band to put all their millions of dollars in an offshore bank in the Bahamas, which went belly-up and lost all of the band's money.
Tom's solo records weren't that bad. They weren't commercially successful, partly due to the fact that Tom didn't want to tour to promote them. Tom wanted music as a day job, where he could go home to his family at the end of each day, which he said in an early 1970s interview. The people who don't like Tom's solo albums are the people who expect his music to sound like CCR - and obviously it won't since John's vocals and guitar can't be duplicated. Tom's stuff was good by the standards of other soft rock acts of their time period, but not Top 40 material.
Too bad they left out the fact that John made bad business decisions that costs the band millions of dollars.
they wouldn't be able to do that with John being a liberal and all.
Probably because John was the one who made good artistic decisions that made the band millions of dollars.
@@andyscott5277 Another Fogerty fanboy speaks. I've admitted he was/is a talented musician, but he was also an asshole. Gary Glitter wrote at least one classic song but he was also a pedophile. Because he wrote that song should we forget about the pedophile stuff?
Truth be told, Tom was instrumental in those bad decisions. Manger Saul Zantz used Tom's jealousy to take control of the money. Tom knew and helped destroy the band and his brother on purpose through deceit and envy. John found out too late. We'll never know all the details but one thing is glaringly clear for me, the one person solely to blame for the bands breakup was Saul Zantz.
@Ben Allmark: I hope you are getting proper treatment for your dementia.
A classic case of band/brother jealousy. John Fogerty was the songwriter and the singer and the front man, the creative driving force who made Creedence Clearwater a global phenomenon. All their big hits are John Fogerty songs. John is a true genius, and the other guys weren't. And because the songwriter gets the songwriting royalties, John was entitled to millions more than the other guys, who felt they were also entitled to a share of the pie. Unfortunately they weren't, so they allied with Saul Zaentz against John to get more money. This situation has caused huge friction and hatred in many bands from Creedence to the Beatles to Pink Floyd and the Eagles and many more.
Whew...and I thought jealousy was just a "female" thing!
John Fogerty obviously needed the muse of the band; he did nothing for ten years after the breakup; then put out a corny baseball song and a few tracks that would be throwaway CCR numbers... then wasted ANOTHER DECADE doing nothing...
His 1975 self-titled album had two hits on it, which were hits again as covers by other artists.
He went through depression and some alcoholism in between. He scrapped a 1976 solo album that wasn't horrible, but Fantasy Records was trying to get their hooks into it like they did the 1975 album. The only reason he came back with the 1997 album was due to his new wife, Julie, dragging him out of his funk.
Wow- bunch of babies who rode John's coattails couldn't even touch John's talent- all they had to do was play and make money- too many egos!
John knew everyone else sucked 😂
We’ll never know Tom’s side of the story. While John is, without a doubt, the centerpiece of CCR, he strikes me as perhaps not the nicest guy, considering how many enemies he seems to make.
John was at war with the entire world. He even sued his own attorneys after they WON his case. Why is it that only John had problem with Zaentz? Why did the other three all seem to get along with each other and only John had a problem with each one. John even wrote in his book that his wife asked him what's wrong with him that he has no friends.
@@frogger1952 Stu and Doug didn't always get along with Tom. Doug said in an interview that Tom could be just as bad as John at times.
Women and kids, siblings and parents come and go. BYE!!
Tom and the others didn’t have the talent. They officially sucked.
Bigtime.
Tom somehow got more solo record deals, even though they didn't sell much.
John Fogerty the most selfish musician that ever lived
That would be John Lennon
@@eivindgjengstjohansen9625 Axl Rose .
@@eivindgjengstjohansen9625 And Steve Perry.
Seems like John can't get along with anyone and the fans suffered.
Seems like John is still out there playing concerts. Where's the rest of CCR???
@@donf3877 Yep, action speaks louder than words.
How was it not obvious that John made the band ?