Exactly - and if you get it done (especially if you get it done ahead of your own estimate) earlier? You look all the better...just don't exaggerate when padding (a factor of 4 is too much...but doubling it? Why not?)
Let’s not forget in this episode that Scotty had already proved himself a real miracle worker - he kept himself alive for 75 years in the transporter buffers. I’d definitely take the advice of a man capable of even imagining that.
I loved that they led in with that, and also the scene Geordi is stressing over a limitation in an equipment manual and Scotty says "Forget it - I wrote it.". He was a match for any engineer of his time.
@@justin_5631 Yep, he had one of his fingers blown off by a sniper not long after making the landing. It's amazing how well he hid it on TOS. There are a few times you can see it.
@@OpenMawProductionsNot a sniper, but a nervous fellow soldier who discharged his gun at the wrong moment. James Doohan lost his finger to friendly fire.
it took all the way until Star Trek III for Kirk to catch on! Kirk: How much refit time before we can take her out again? Scotty: Eight weeks, sir. But ye don't have eight weeks, so I'll do it for ye in two. Kirk: Mr. Scott. Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four? Scotty: Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker? Kirk: Your reputation is secure, Scotty.
@@northernexciles01 Kirk: You told me you could have this ship operational in _two weeks._ I gave you _three! WHAT HAPPENED?_ Scotty: I think you gave me _too much time,_ Captain!
@@RobertNielsen1970 Well, that does kinda work both ways. Scotty is a born fixer/tinkerer. Give him enough time with something he's fixed, and he'll take the whole thing back apart again to see if he can make it *better*.
I'm an engineer and I live by this logic. Under promise, Over deliver. If it takes an hour to get something done you tell everyone it will take a week. Enjoy your free time in the meantime.
All those episodes when Scotty frantically said he couldn't hold things together or it would take quite some time... I am seeing all of them differently now haha
"If I tell the daft bugger she's actually got 10 minutes left he'll push her for 20, and the warp core will blow. So I'd better start the clock now so he doesn't get us all killed." - Scotty's internal monologue, probably.
Well, in the end, Captain Scott pull all the stops on Geordi when he runs the show on that other ship.Then the escape at the end for them and the Enterprise is Scotty at his best. " Now that we're on an older ship Mr. LaForge, watch Ol' Scotty pull a few rabbits out o' me hat !!."😄 Scotty saved the day !!!. " Of course ye can, who do you suppose wrote the book ?." He really shown Geordi , you don't mess with a miracle worker.
Anyone padding a 15 min job to 2 hours needs shot Not killed, shot. So you understand how easy it is to be fucked by someone else Double time is acceptable, and even some extra wiggle room But not quad *4
I was reading the Invasion book series, part way through the TNG book I stopped reading (I can't say why I decided to stop when I did). I started watching several episodes TNG on dvd, one of those episodes was this one (I'd never seen it before). When I started reading the TNG Invasion story again a short time later my mind was blown, Gordie exaggerates the time it would take to fix a problem. He explained to another crew member he learned it "from an old friend", had I not stopped reading to watch some episodes I would never have got the reference 😊
I'm so glad I found this!! My hospital recently started training staff with a new patient communication tool called AIDET (Acknowledge, Introduce, Duration, Explanation, and Thank you). When they were talking about Duration they specifically told us to overestimate times so that when things get done earlier the patient will have a higher level of satisfaction because we've exceeded their expectations. I almost burst out laughing because I immediately began thinking of this scene!! 😂😂
Well yeah, people love being lied to when the lie makes it seem like things turned out better than they actually did. In other words, patronizing people works wonders for their ego when they don't realize you're patronizing them.
@@CoralCopperHead I agree with you, however giving a somewhat longer time than it will really take ensures that it won't take longer than you said, which people really don't like. Or they'll get upset if you're not able to do it as quickly the next time. I don't lie to people but I'm also bad at estimating times and it often takes longer than I think anyway.
I would like to see the technician/engineer that can accurately forecast how long a task will take 95% of the time. That person would have to be the bloody oracle of Delphi.
Except for B'Elanna Torres, I guess there is a scene where she tells Janeway that she's not like other engineers, and if she says it's going to take 8 hours, she means it's going to take 8 hours, and Janeway understands. It's a good idea to leave a buffer in there, but I like to get things done quickly so I wouldn't double it just so I can work for an extra hour.
Ah, 'The Scotty Principle' as I call it. Never give them the exact times, stretch it out within reason so you are a freakin' genius when it's done before time.
It's actually quite a brilliant move to always tell people it will take longer than it "probably" will. This leaves room for accidents or faulty eqiupment etc. that could hinder your work. But also, like Scotty said, it will make people trust you to always finish the job either on time or faster.
Quite true. I do on-site IT work and I usually overestimate my completion time by a few factors. For example if I'm replacing a PC, the job usually takes about 20 minutes but I'll tell the client an hour because there could be unforseen issues with peripherals or getting the new PC connected to their servers.
I always thought Geordi acted like a bit of a jerk in this episode. If Scotty had come into my engine room I would have nailed him to the floor so I could get every little bit of advice he could give me.
We're all familiar with Scotty from TOS. But Geordi really only thought of Scotty as an old guy who wrote some papers and invented some things exactly one hundred years ago. Imagine trying to do tech work in a nuclear submarine or a google server farm while some guy from 1918 (who knows nothing about nuclear energy or computers, beyond perhaps some century-obsolete theories) keeps trying to tell you all the useful tricks he learned for tweaking WW1-era diesel engines and vacuum tubes.
thing is, we are all like asshole georgie on this episode. Imagine someone who only uses the basic Nokia 3210 trying to tell you how to use you Iphone 6.Or a classic car collector in his 80s telling a young car mechanic working on a honda civic how to change the oil "the old way" - you just sigh and think "oh shut up you old man, i know more than you. This stuffs new, and you're old"
@@AzguardMike while the technology changes, the principles behind it do not. I'd love to talk computers with Turing or Ada, even if they wouldn't be able to operate a text editor on a modern computer.
Pearls of wisdom from Scotty. I have used 'The Scotty Principle' in dealing with impatient and irrational bosses in the past to great effect. Get over yourself Geordie...
yeah i've always used this to seem like a amazing worker. "How long will it take you to work the back stock" *internal thinking....2hrs easy* "About 4 hours, 3 if I dont get disturbed"
Geordi has enough run ins with Picard where he estimates something will take an hour and the issue ends up being more complex than at first it appears (and it takes 4 hours instead) and he learns that it's wiser to try and factor risk into his estimates before providing them to the Captain.
That is actually excellent advice; you always give yourself a little extra time because every single job is always one broken bolt away from taking twice as long.
You would think that Geordi would know who Scotty is (and be thrilled to meet him), considering how much Geordi knew about all sorts of minutia about the much earlier Zephram Cochrane.
That, and how often Scotty's name probably cam up in his training documents...he invented the basic forms of probably half the stuff Geordi is learning these days...
We all know Scotty was the _real_ boss. Kirk was just a figurehead. Useful for taking care of routine Klingons and other administrative chores so Scotty could stay in Engineering.
@@TheWPhilosopher Ah, well now, I wouldn't exaggerate that much. Scotty could no doubt take on a handful of Klingon D7's or a pesky pack of cloaked Romulans, of course. But he couldn't handle the entire Klingon Empire - unless they gave him two or three more Constitution-class ships.
When I was a kid and watching this episode I didn’t really understand This scene, now that I’m in my 40s, And working ever since I was 18, I completely understand every word that he says
Yes, it was in Star Trek III, Kirk how long it will take to refit Enterprise. Scotty says "Eight weeks, but you don't have eight weeks, so I'll do it for you in two." Kirk replies "Do you always multiply your repair estimates by a factor of four?" Scotty says "how else do I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?" This scene with Geordi is a callback to that scene.
Capt. Scott and Geordi, .....indecisive, Now if it were Capt. Scott, and Mr. O' Brien , they would have every thing on line, running smoothly, and O'brien would ask Scotty for a copy of his engineers short cut book.
Ironically I've had this taught to me in class, by a lecturer, at an electronics engineering college back in 1983. It is taught to all engineering students globally since engineers have existed. The phrase "Starship Captain" has replaced "Department Manager / Management Idiot" and the rule that, "Estimate the time it will actually take, multiply by 3, do it in 2/3rds of the time and everybody will think that you're a miracle worker". Scotty is just repeating a very old engineer's maxim for dealing with lesser less gifted and talented mortals (management).
It's a tightrope you walk when you pull off Scotty's philosophy. It could be that you achieve the job in less time than anticipated, everybody is relieved, the bosses are happy, and the world is a hopeful place. It could also be that you achieve the job in less time than anticipated, and when the job comes up again, someone in charge remembers and asks, "Can you do it in X time again?" I'm speaking from experience. Working at power plant outages, they used to be 6 to 8 weeks long, and now you're lucky to get more than 4 weeks. That's mainly due to overzealous engineers and crews in the past, pushing to get another shift or another day ahead of schedule, and it screws everybody. The sales team that negotiates the contracts look like either incompetent fools (because they underestimated their company's capabilities) or conmen (because they were trying to wring extra money and time out of the customer), which makes their future negotiations more difficult (kind of hard to say a job will take 8 weeks when the crew got it done in 7 weeks the previous 2 outages, and less time on the job means less money their company can make). It makes it harder for the engineers, because it could be that the previous engineers missed some things in their outages (parts experiencing undue stress and fatigue) and now it's going to take longer than anticipated to complete the job (which costs the contractor money as well). It stresses out the workers who are now feeling a lot more time pressure to get more done in less time (and they're less motivated to work as fast, because they're paid by the hour not by the task, so they feel even more resentful about the pressure). For the lie to work, everybody outside of management has to be in on it and participating. You have to keep the upstarts who are trying to make a good impression on the higher ups from rocking the apple cart. It's a delicate and balanced ecosystem that doesn't handle variation very well.
@@user-zr6pl6nb6zIt's called a metaphor. It's expression that is artistic, not autistic. I say that because I can already sense you gearing up to explain how it's not an ecosystem for reasons 1 through 938, and I don't care.
I tried to implement Scotty's rule at work, and almost surprised my boss about a project being done early, but then she asked about it and I had to say it was almost done. I was so close to being a miracle worker.
He's not unappreciative. If there is one constant characteristic in older people, senior citizens, and "experts," it is arrogance. Geordi laforge did not become chief engineer of the Enterprise by kissing up to the boss. He actually had worked in engineering and had the experience to be promoted to chief engineer. Grant if you start out as a Helm and ensign but after Staffing problems and so forth, he was put up there for the right reasons. You don't become chief engineer without self-advocacy and experience
@@geoffwilliams4478 Trouble is Scotty IS an expert. Scotty is a legend and has probably forgotten more the Geordie knows.Geordi should be more respectful, but he finally came around. 😁
@@ictpilot I don't think Geordi needed to come around. And hell, I'm trying to learn math better because of Scotty and I tell my boss's how it is ALL THE TIME like Scotty did, but I know that when you're in the middle of someone trying to do something, you're not going to be on their best side. You don't get anywhere by questioning, even the young's, adaptability, much less without a little common courtesy in staying out of the way. Just be there when you know it's not going to work and hit the safety switch before it's too late.
The relationship that Scotty had with Kirk was one of friendship and mutual admiration whereas the relationship between Geordi and Picard was more militaristic in nature. Geordi submitted to Picard because he HAD to whereas Scotty submitted to Kirk because he WANTED to.
Working in maintenance, I've learned to ALWAYS give added time because you never know what you'll run into. If I get annoyed by incessant questioning I tell them "It'll get done whenever it gets done-and you aren't helping matters at all."
I always loved Star Trek TNG when they had the old characters on. Star Trek Generations was great when Capt. Kirk was in at the last few moments to me.
Leforge was hand picked personally by Picard when observed going well out of his way to make repairs to a minor system. I wonder if a young Scotty would have made much of an impression on Picard, let alone any of the original crew. They were effective because of their great synergy with Kirk, but I wonder if they would have meshed well with Picard's style of management.
@@TheWPhilosopher Well then your comment makes no sense. This is your first reply to me, yet you started off with "again." You're not repeating yourself, so you shouldn't have used that word. Also, Scotty never broke the laws of physics--you can tell by his catchphrase. Barring that, watching the video will clearly show that I was talking about Geordi, not Captain Scott. Also, Kirk couldn't have confirmed that because he was completely unaware of Geordi's existence.
@@r0bw00d only if you are on deliberate attack mode and are without knowledge. Again can also refer to what you originally wrote. As in Miracle worker established. That was confirmed again by Kirk. Nope Geordi discovered new rules or bent them with help from Q but he never broke any laws either. Nope the only person talking about being a miracle worker in the clip was Scotty. Its Scotty who is famously referred to as a Miracle Worker and it is Kirk who says your status as a Miracle worker is assured. Geordi never sought the sobriquet, barely if ever was referred to as one and certainly whilst he may have established himself as one was never 'famously' considered one or even considered himself as one. Unlike Mr Scott, LaForge considered himself to be doing his job, didn't indulge in estimates. Later LaForge actually DOES take this advice on board however. So maybe you erred in using that phrase in connection with Geordi and confused yourself and everybody else. Unless you were being deliberately obtuse.
I'm reminded of the repair scene in 'Mad Max:The Road Warrior', when the rig come in all broken "What does that all mean?" "24 Hours?" "You've got 12" "OK" hehehe
I believe this was supposed to be a bit of levity. He said Captains were like children and he wanted the Engineer to sound like a miracle worker. These were references to the original sense of humor from the original series. Too many people with sticks up their butts making comments on this clip.
It was always so heartwarming to see the crossovers between _TNG_ and _TOS_ . For a very long time, _TNG_ fans felt like there was a stigma among classic _TOS_ fans that _TNG_ isn't worthy to carry the _Star Trek_ name, even though we knew it should. And of course it did. But it was so great to have Michael Dorn in _Star Trek VI_ and to have the crossovers of Spock, Sarak, Dr McCoy, and Scotty in _TNG_ as well of course as Kirk in _Star Trek VII_
..and they still do, because he is a no-nonsense kind of man who put everything he's got into a project. Speaking of which, he's actually seen working on and helping to develop new technologies left and right. While Scotty APPEARS to be a miracle worker by bullshitting people, Geordi just is a miracle worker and doesn't care about the praise.
As I said before this should have been a two part episode arc if only to have Geordi respond to Picard a project would be three hours but for him he'd do it in two. One of his staffers would say it only takes two hours, and Geordi would reply with a smile he doesn't know that.
Bruh, this is so relatable. When I work on art projects, particularly commissions I usually say 1-2 (sometimes even more) days when the entire project takes less than four hours 🤣. I do this because it's the opposite, and with comissions you have to hold the commissioners hand through the entire process so they get what they want; they usually take their sweet ass time and then get angry when I continue the project without them. So it's like, whatever, It will take two to three days then. People (who comission an artist, or any professional) don't understand that you're buying their time, the more responsive you can be (and engaging), the better. It sucks when you have eight other projects to work on, and one person is taking hours between replies. So when you don't reply because you moved onto another project until they get back, they usually get pissy. I get it, nobody wants to sit on their phone for hours at a time texting an artist about their work, but if you pay for an artists time don't waste it.
Luv "Star Trek" having advanced concepts to draw from. I had a standard question, customers would ask me "Why is it taking so long?" my answer "Because it is a long job" Perhaps not what the customer wanted to hear but a clever enough answer to buy me a little more time.
Geordi is highly competent about the technical side, but Scotty has a very good point here - you need to account for unforeseen delays. Sure, those might only happen once every 100 times if you're good and very lucky, but you won't do anyone any good working yourself to the bone to perform every task as fast as possible. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
Hehe! This reminds me of a coworker trying to give me work advice, saying that I work too fast, and that I'm an overachiever. Funny. He got fired for failing to do his job. Seems someone was an underachiever.
One caveat on Scotty's advice..this only works when the higher-up isn't someone who knows/has done the job themselves. On the other hand such a person probably knows the advice themselves, so it evens out.
Always pad time estimates. Doing so is not lying, it is accounting for unforeseen delays.
This thread is better than going to B-school
Damn right!!
Well said.
This. Always leave room for the X factor.
Exactly - and if you get it done (especially if you get it done ahead of your own estimate) earlier? You look all the better...just don't exaggerate when padding (a factor of 4 is too much...but doubling it? Why not?)
Let’s not forget in this episode that Scotty had already proved himself a real miracle worker - he kept himself alive for 75 years in the transporter buffers. I’d definitely take the advice of a man capable of even imagining that.
ikr… crazy! I would suck all the knowledge I could out of him
I loved that they led in with that, and also the scene Geordi is stressing over a limitation in an equipment manual and Scotty says "Forget it - I wrote it.". He was a match for any engineer of his time.
Actor also landed on D-Day in ww2. Not even kidding. Look it up.
@@justin_5631 Yep, he had one of his fingers blown off by a sniper not long after making the landing. It's amazing how well he hid it on TOS. There are a few times you can see it.
@@OpenMawProductionsNot a sniper, but a nervous fellow soldier who discharged his gun at the wrong moment. James Doohan lost his finger to friendly fire.
I think Scotty would have gotten along a lot better with Chief O'Brien.
+Jacob Hoss I think so too :)
ya Micheal Jackson has hard times making friends
+Jacob Hoss I can't even imagine the amount of booze they'd drink.
Quark's would have to shut down.
An Irishman and a Scotsman walked into Quarks....
As an IT Manager, this advice is golden!
agreed. sadly, the boss started catching on
The same also applies to Project Management
Should be mentioned in every engineering training manual. ;)
@@floridaboz1
Same thing happened with Scotty.
Yup, was told the same thing
This is so true. In the military they say "under promise and over preform." It's good advice through and through.
Well
When you go the extra mile standardly
Some people take advantage
Padding is safety for all parties involved
it took all the way until Star Trek III for Kirk to catch on!
Kirk: How much refit time before we can take her out again?
Scotty: Eight weeks, sir. But ye don't have eight weeks, so I'll do it for ye in two.
Kirk: Mr. Scott. Have you always multiplied your repair estimates by a factor of four?
Scotty: Certainly, sir. How else can I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?
Kirk: Your reputation is secure, Scotty.
henkman00 kirk I thought you'd said you'd have her in shape by now. Scotty I think you have me too much time captain
@@northernexciles01 Kirk: You told me you could have this ship operational in _two weeks._ I gave you _three! WHAT HAPPENED?_
Scotty: I think you gave me _too much time,_ Captain!
Exactly what i used to do at my old job (may they have fun replacing me).
@@RobertNielsen1970 Well, that does kinda work both ways. Scotty is a born fixer/tinkerer. Give him enough time with something he's fixed, and he'll take the whole thing back apart again to see if he can make it *better*.
I over estimate my time at work, if I say 45 minutes they bug be at 46. If I say an hour, they will be back about and hour 15.
I'm an engineer and I live by this logic. Under promise, Over deliver. If it takes an hour to get something done you tell everyone it will take a week. Enjoy your free time in the meantime.
Scotty is actually right. If you say it takes an hour, the captain might reply that "you have 30 minutes". Then you'd feel the pressure.
xxlCortez true but Picard actually trusted geordi's judgment and when it comes to analysis, he obviously took Geordi at his word.
Picard only reduces the time in tense situations.
@@r0bw00d they all reduce times. Scotty is right.
I didn't say that Picard didn't.
You reply.”no. I need at least an hour for this”
All those episodes when Scotty frantically said he couldn't hold things together or it would take quite some time... I am seeing all of them differently now haha
Thank you for that. Found it: ua-cam.com/video/t9SVhg6ZENw/v-deo.html
"i just can't do it captain! I don't have the power!"
"If I tell the daft bugger she's actually got 10 minutes left he'll push her for 20, and the warp core will blow. So I'd better start the clock now so he doesn't get us all killed." - Scotty's internal monologue, probably.
Even in life or death situations he was a smooth operator.
Of all the lessons I've learned from television, this was the one I've applied the most.
Well, in the end, Captain Scott pull all the stops on Geordi when he runs the show on that other ship.Then the escape at the end for them and the Enterprise is Scotty at his best.
" Now that we're on an older ship Mr. LaForge, watch Ol' Scotty pull a few rabbits out o' me hat !!."😄 Scotty saved the day !!!. " Of course ye can, who do you suppose wrote the book ?."
He really shown Geordi , you don't mess with a miracle worker.
That's very true. You tell them It'll normally take 2 hours but I'm gonna try and get it done in an hour.
People love that shit.
Tell them it'll take 2h, but you'll do it in 1h.
You think it'll actually take 15m.
Anyone padding a 15 min job to 2 hours needs shot
Not killed, shot. So you understand how easy it is to be fucked by someone else
Double time is acceptable, and even some extra wiggle room
But not quad *4
@@donovanulrich348 I think you took a joke too seriously.
I was reading the Invasion book series, part way through the TNG book I stopped reading (I can't say why I decided to stop when I did). I started watching several episodes TNG on dvd, one of those episodes was this one (I'd never seen it before). When I started reading the TNG Invasion story again a short time later my mind was blown, Gordie exaggerates the time it would take to fix a problem. He explained to another crew member he learned it "from an old friend", had I not stopped reading to watch some episodes I would never have got the reference 😊
ahhh this advice goes right up there with George Costanza's advice how to look busy at work by looking annoyed.
"When you look annoyed all the time people think you're busy." That has been my life motto and it works like a charm.
LOL! Well I am always pissed off at my job and people think I'm busy.
That explains why those with resting bitch faces get on 🤣
I'm so glad I found this!! My hospital recently started training staff with a new patient communication tool called AIDET (Acknowledge, Introduce, Duration, Explanation, and Thank you). When they were talking about Duration they specifically told us to overestimate times so that when things get done earlier the patient will have a higher level of satisfaction because we've exceeded their expectations. I almost burst out laughing because I immediately began thinking of this scene!! 😂😂
Well yeah, people love being lied to when the lie makes it seem like things turned out better than they actually did. In other words, patronizing people works wonders for their ego when they don't realize you're patronizing them.
@@CoralCopperHead I agree with you, however giving a somewhat longer time than it will really take ensures that it won't take longer than you said, which people really don't like. Or they'll get upset if you're not able to do it as quickly the next time.
I don't lie to people but I'm also bad at estimating times and it often takes longer than I think anyway.
This is the mantra of all technicians/engineers :) never tell them how long it would really take!
Underpromise and overdeliver!
I would like to see the technician/engineer that can accurately forecast how long a task will take 95% of the time. That person would have to be the bloody oracle of Delphi.
Except for B'Elanna Torres, I guess there is a scene where she tells Janeway that she's not like other engineers, and if she says it's going to take 8 hours, she means it's going to take 8 hours, and Janeway understands.
It's a good idea to leave a buffer in there, but I like to get things done quickly so I wouldn't double it just so I can work for an extra hour.
One of the most important lessons in this sorta work. Set realistic expectations. You gotta account for unforseen problems as best you can.
Listen to Scotty! He's been giving it all he's got for decades!
Ah, 'The Scotty Principle' as I call it. Never give them the exact times, stretch it out within reason so you are a freakin' genius when it's done before time.
How dare you leave it out??? “
Scotty: “I was drivin starships - while your great grandfather was still in Diah-pers!!”
The dialogue always bugged me because as a Scotsman, Scotty would never use the word Diapers, he'd say Nappies.
It's actually quite a brilliant move to always tell people it will take longer than it "probably" will. This leaves room for accidents or faulty eqiupment etc. that could hinder your work. But also, like Scotty said, it will make people trust you to always finish the job either on time or faster.
Quite true. I do on-site IT work and I usually overestimate my completion time by a few factors. For example if I'm replacing a PC, the job usually takes about 20 minutes but I'll tell the client an hour because there could be unforseen issues with peripherals or getting the new PC connected to their servers.
I always thought Geordi acted like a bit of a jerk in this episode. If Scotty had come into my engine room I would have nailed him to the floor so I could get every little bit of advice he could give me.
Wade Alexander . Yeah Gerodi was my favorite until this episode then I wanted him to die. Seems like the moment Scotty appears was an issue.
We're all familiar with Scotty from TOS. But Geordi really only thought of Scotty as an old guy who wrote some papers and invented some things exactly one hundred years ago.
Imagine trying to do tech work in a nuclear submarine or a google server farm while some guy from 1918 (who knows nothing about nuclear energy or computers, beyond perhaps some century-obsolete theories) keeps trying to tell you all the useful tricks he learned for tweaking WW1-era diesel engines and vacuum tubes.
Typical Federation scientist logic. Also reminds me of Dr Lewis Zimmerman in Voyager when Voy’s EMH pays him a house call.
thing is, we are all like asshole georgie on this episode. Imagine someone who only uses the basic Nokia 3210 trying to tell you how to use you Iphone 6.Or a classic car collector in his 80s telling a young car mechanic working on a honda civic how to change the oil "the old way" - you just sigh and think "oh shut up you old man, i know more than you. This stuffs new, and you're old"
@@AzguardMike while the technology changes, the principles behind it do not. I'd love to talk computers with Turing or Ada, even if they wouldn't be able to operate a text editor on a modern computer.
Pearls of wisdom from Scotty. I have used 'The Scotty Principle' in dealing with impatient and irrational bosses in the past to great effect. Get over yourself Geordie...
yeah i've always used this to seem like a amazing worker. "How long will it take you to work the back stock" *internal thinking....2hrs easy* "About 4 hours, 3 if I dont get disturbed"
So you're boasting about the fact that you make concessions for spoiled children? That's not something to be proud of.
Geordi has enough run ins with Picard where he estimates something will take an hour and the issue ends up being more complex than at first it appears (and it takes 4 hours instead) and he learns that it's wiser to try and factor risk into his estimates before providing them to the Captain.
As a web developer/programmer who also does occasional IT work, this is how I cover myself - excellent advice!
It's your best weapon against "feature creep"...
@@TechnoMageB5 Which is inevitable.
That is actually excellent advice; you always give yourself a little extra time because every single job is always one broken bolt away from taking twice as long.
Seriously always give yourself wiggle room you never know what could happen.
10/10 would take Scotty's advice.
This is called giving yourself a little breathing room. If you make it, you look competent. And if you beat it, you look like a miracle worker!
You would think that Geordi would know who Scotty is (and be thrilled to meet him), considering how much Geordi knew about all sorts of minutia about the much earlier Zephram Cochrane.
That, and how often Scotty's name probably cam up in his training documents...he invented the basic forms of probably half the stuff Geordi is learning these days...
Scotty's rules for getting away with lying to your boss. XD
We all know Scotty was the _real_ boss.
Kirk was just a figurehead. Useful for taking care of routine Klingons and other administrative chores so Scotty could stay in Engineering.
It’s called managing expectations
@@pwnmeisterage When he sat in the command chair suddenly he was all business. He'd have ended the Klingon Empire if he wanted to.
@@TheWPhilosopher Ah, well now, I wouldn't exaggerate that much.
Scotty could no doubt take on a handful of Klingon D7's or a pesky pack of cloaked Romulans, of course. But he couldn't handle the entire Klingon Empire - unless they gave him two or three more Constitution-class ships.
@@pwnmeisterage 😏 of course.
and this is why Scotty is the best engineer in Star Trek
As a web developer, this is my go to rule when dealing with clients and support staff. They think I'm a wizard.
I'm floored. That is SUCH a great piece of advice!
I met James Doohan. He was Fantastic!! Such a great guy!
Amen Scotty, and kick the marketing dept out the airlock, rule 2.
Truer words were never spoken.
I like how they brought this back in Lower decks
Easily my favorite scene from TNG and honestly probably all of Star Trek.
Joseph Dickson: You obviously haven't watched much of Star Trek, then.
I prefer the scene when Scotty is lecturing Gordie on being a wee bit conservative at least on paper.
When I was a kid and watching this episode I didn’t really understand This scene, now that I’m in my 40s, And working ever since I was 18, I completely understand every word that he says
It's always smart to give yourself breathing room anyway. Just in case of complications.
I own an IT COMPANY, I’m 38 but Scotty has wisdom.
Just today I had to share this with an software developer to get him to understand how to work in a large corp. This advice has made my career
this advice is universal. love it .
Kirk did ask Scotty about exaggerating repair times.
"how else do I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?"
Yes, it was in Star Trek III, Kirk how long it will take to refit Enterprise. Scotty says "Eight weeks, but you don't have eight weeks, so I'll do it for you in two." Kirk replies "Do you always multiply your repair estimates by a factor of four?" Scotty says "how else do I keep my reputation as a miracle worker?" This scene with Geordi is a callback to that scene.
"Your reputation is safe, MR Scott"
Capt. Scott and Geordi, .....indecisive,
Now if it were Capt. Scott, and Mr. O' Brien , they would have every thing on line, running smoothly, and O'brien would ask Scotty for a copy of his engineers short cut book.
@@johnbockelie3899 He already has Scotty's book. It's mandatory at the Academy.
Ironically I've had this taught to me in class, by a lecturer, at an electronics engineering college back in 1983. It is taught to all engineering students globally since engineers have existed.
The phrase "Starship Captain" has replaced "Department Manager / Management Idiot" and the rule that, "Estimate the time it will actually take, multiply by 3, do it in 2/3rds of the time and everybody will think that you're a miracle worker".
Scotty is just repeating a very old engineer's maxim for dealing with lesser less gifted and talented mortals (management).
It's a tightrope you walk when you pull off Scotty's philosophy. It could be that you achieve the job in less time than anticipated, everybody is relieved, the bosses are happy, and the world is a hopeful place. It could also be that you achieve the job in less time than anticipated, and when the job comes up again, someone in charge remembers and asks, "Can you do it in X time again?"
I'm speaking from experience. Working at power plant outages, they used to be 6 to 8 weeks long, and now you're lucky to get more than 4 weeks. That's mainly due to overzealous engineers and crews in the past, pushing to get another shift or another day ahead of schedule, and it screws everybody. The sales team that negotiates the contracts look like either incompetent fools (because they underestimated their company's capabilities) or conmen (because they were trying to wring extra money and time out of the customer), which makes their future negotiations more difficult (kind of hard to say a job will take 8 weeks when the crew got it done in 7 weeks the previous 2 outages, and less time on the job means less money their company can make). It makes it harder for the engineers, because it could be that the previous engineers missed some things in their outages (parts experiencing undue stress and fatigue) and now it's going to take longer than anticipated to complete the job (which costs the contractor money as well). It stresses out the workers who are now feeling a lot more time pressure to get more done in less time (and they're less motivated to work as fast, because they're paid by the hour not by the task, so they feel even more resentful about the pressure).
For the lie to work, everybody outside of management has to be in on it and participating. You have to keep the upstarts who are trying to make a good impression on the higher ups from rocking the apple cart. It's a delicate and balanced ecosystem that doesn't handle variation very well.
In short, "Mediocrity is the key to success." I'd rather not succeed in that case, thanks very much.
"Ecosystem"??
@@user-zr6pl6nb6zIt's called a metaphor. It's expression that is artistic, not autistic. I say that because I can already sense you gearing up to explain how it's not an ecosystem for reasons 1 through 938, and I don't care.
@@jesusnthedaisychain You cared enough to post that drivel, imbecile.
God bless Scotty. Now this is a life-changing advice.
I tried to implement Scotty's rule at work, and almost surprised my boss about a project being done early, but then she asked about it and I had to say it was almost done. I was so close to being a miracle worker.
I love this admission that he always did this.
Perfect example of Buffer Time! #lowerdecks
Loved that episode 🤣
Scotty was driving starships while Geordi’s great-grandfather was still in diapers
I think he’d be grateful for some help
He's not unappreciative. If there is one constant characteristic in older people, senior citizens, and "experts," it is arrogance. Geordi laforge did not become chief engineer of the Enterprise by kissing up to the boss. He actually had worked in engineering and had the experience to be promoted to chief engineer. Grant if you start out as a Helm and ensign but after Staffing problems and so forth, he was put up there for the right reasons.
You don't become chief engineer without self-advocacy and experience
@@geoffwilliams4478 Trouble is Scotty IS an expert. Scotty is a legend and has probably forgotten more the Geordie knows.Geordi should be more respectful, but he finally came around. 😁
@@ictpilot I don't think Geordi needed to come around. And hell, I'm trying to learn math better because of Scotty and I tell my boss's how it is ALL THE TIME like Scotty did, but I know that when you're in the middle of someone trying to do something, you're not going to be on their best side.
You don't get anywhere by questioning, even the young's, adaptability, much less without a little common courtesy in staying out of the way. Just be there when you know it's not going to work and hit the safety switch before it's too late.
Very good life-lesson when dealing with a boss.
cpt: how long will it take?
eng: 24 hours!
cpt: you have 12!
eng: i do it in 6!
This is what we call "managing expectations"
And then in sg1, "I'll give you half that" "doesn't work that way, sir."
Scotty:"Captain the cooling section 2 is broken! I'll need 3 hours.!"
Kirk:"you got 2!"
Scotty:"Ay! Captain! It's done in one!"
This is how I live my life, I god bless you Scotty!
Scotty epic just epic he is giving gordy good advice
Charles F good advice but at the wrong time.
Scotty: " Are 'ya daft, laddie? ...take that blasted air filter off yer eyeballs an' see what's goin' on son! "
Saw this with my dad…he said the same thing
“However much you estimate it costs and takes…double your estimate!”
Loved this scene! Engineer to engineer :)
The relationship that Scotty had with Kirk was one of friendship and mutual admiration whereas the relationship between Geordi and Picard was more militaristic in nature. Geordi submitted to Picard because he HAD to whereas Scotty submitted to Kirk because he WANTED to.
I hope someone will upload this again. I was looking for this scene. but it cuts out Scotty's last line! I need that! It nails it!
😂😂😂😂Scotty was well versed in being a miracle worker
"Under promise and over deliver"
Working in maintenance, I've learned to ALWAYS give added time because you never know what you'll run into. If I get annoyed by incessant questioning I tell them "It'll get done whenever it gets done-and you aren't helping matters at all."
Montgomery Scott. Chief engineer of the Enterprise. My favorite star trek character. "Aye, sir! But she'll break apart!" Lol.
I always loved Star Trek TNG when they had the old characters on. Star Trek Generations was great when Capt. Kirk was in at the last few moments to me.
great, thanks.... now i got to watch it all over to see if the suggestion took!
Scotty knew of buffer time!
Leforge was hand picked personally by Picard when observed going well out of his way to make repairs to a minor system. I wonder if a young Scotty would have made much of an impression on Picard, let alone any of the original crew. They were effective because of their great synergy with Kirk, but I wonder if they would have meshed well with Picard's style of management.
Hands down, my favorite Star Trek scene
He changes the laws of physics on nearly a daily basis. His miracle worker status is already well established. (o:Þ
Again, Kirk confirmed this.
@@TheWPhilosopher You've replied to the wrong comment.
@@r0bw00d nope. 👍😏
@@TheWPhilosopher Well then your comment makes no sense. This is your first reply to me, yet you started off with "again." You're not repeating yourself, so you shouldn't have used that word. Also, Scotty never broke the laws of physics--you can tell by his catchphrase. Barring that, watching the video will clearly show that I was talking about Geordi, not Captain Scott. Also, Kirk couldn't have confirmed that because he was completely unaware of Geordi's existence.
@@r0bw00d only if you are on deliberate attack mode and are without knowledge. Again can also refer to what you originally wrote. As in Miracle worker established. That was confirmed again by Kirk. Nope Geordi discovered new rules or bent them with help from Q but he never broke any laws either. Nope the only person talking about being a miracle worker in the clip was Scotty. Its Scotty who is famously referred to as a Miracle Worker and it is Kirk who says your status as a Miracle worker is assured. Geordi never sought the sobriquet, barely if ever was referred to as one and certainly whilst he may have established himself as one was never 'famously' considered one or even considered himself as one. Unlike Mr Scott, LaForge considered himself to be doing his job, didn't indulge in estimates. Later LaForge actually DOES take this advice on board however. So maybe you erred in using that phrase in connection with Geordi and confused yourself and everybody else. Unless you were being deliberately obtuse.
I'm reminded of the repair scene in 'Mad Max:The Road Warrior', when the rig come in all broken
"What does that all mean?"
"24 Hours?"
"You've got 12"
"OK" hehehe
Oh my God! This ties up so many plot holes.
This explains every car mechanic I have ever been to.
I do this at work all the time!
He wants him to listen to scotty
I believe this was supposed to be a bit of levity. He said Captains were like children and he wanted the Engineer to sound like a miracle worker. These were references to the original sense of humor from the original series. Too many people with sticks up their butts making comments on this clip.
Miles Obrien did take this advice to heart XD
It was always so heartwarming to see the crossovers between _TNG_ and _TOS_ . For a very long time, _TNG_ fans felt like there was a stigma among classic _TOS_ fans that _TNG_ isn't worthy to carry the _Star Trek_ name, even though we knew it should. And of course it did. But it was so great to have Michael Dorn in _Star Trek VI_ and to have the crossovers of Spock, Sarak, Dr McCoy, and Scotty in _TNG_ as well of course as Kirk in _Star Trek VII_
Scotty was the business.
The true engineer has spoken!
I used Scotty's advice in military service. I was always the guy to make it happen. It worked a little to well because I ended up doing everything.
Geordi doesn’t care about people thinking he’s a miracle worker tho.
..and they still do, because he is a no-nonsense kind of man who put everything he's got into a project. Speaking of which, he's actually seen working on and helping to develop new technologies left and right.
While Scotty APPEARS to be a miracle worker by bullshitting people, Geordi just is a miracle worker and doesn't care about the praise.
Scotty knows. He was with the best. Something that these newbie's can learn from.
Pick a ball park number, multiply by two and add 10%. "Sir, it will take that long."
As I said before this should have been a two part episode arc if only to have Geordi respond to Picard a project would be three hours but for him he'd do it in two. One of his staffers would say it only takes two hours, and Geordi would reply with a smile he doesn't know that.
LOL .... you didn't really tell the captain how long it would really take ... oh Laddie ya got a lot to learn!!
Scotty really made me sad in this episode. I wanted to cry during the whole episode.
Bruh, this is so relatable. When I work on art projects, particularly commissions I usually say 1-2 (sometimes even more) days when the entire project takes less than four hours 🤣.
I do this because it's the opposite, and with comissions you have to hold the commissioners hand through the entire process so they get what they want; they usually take their sweet ass time and then get angry when I continue the project without them. So it's like, whatever, It will take two to three days then.
People (who comission an artist, or any professional) don't understand that you're buying their time, the more responsive you can be (and engaging), the better. It sucks when you have eight other projects to work on, and one person is taking hours between replies. So when you don't reply because you moved onto another project until they get back, they usually get pissy. I get it, nobody wants to sit on their phone for hours at a time texting an artist about their work, but if you pay for an artists time don't waste it.
Still relevant today, LOL.
lol, BUFFER TIME. They address this on Lower Decks.
Luv "Star Trek" having advanced concepts to draw from.
I had a standard question, customers would ask me
"Why is it taking so long?"
my answer
"Because it is a long job"
Perhaps not what the customer wanted to hear but a clever enough answer to buy me a little more time.
Geordi is highly competent about the technical side, but Scotty has a very good point here - you need to account for unforeseen delays. Sure, those might only happen once every 100 times if you're good and very lucky, but you won't do anyone any good working yourself to the bone to perform every task as fast as possible. It's a marathon, not a sprint.
"It'll take at least 30 minutes!"
Listen to papa Scotty, Geordi.
Hehe! This reminds me of a coworker trying to give me work advice, saying that I work too fast, and that I'm an overachiever.
Funny. He got fired for failing to do his job. Seems someone was an underachiever.
He has been getting better. Worf has been turtoring him.
Scotty is the best engineer.
One caveat on Scotty's advice..this only works when the higher-up isn't someone who knows/has done the job themselves. On the other hand such a person probably knows the advice themselves, so it evens out.
He even admitted to Kirk that he multiplied his work time by 4 to get an estimated time frame.
and kirk was the only one that caught on.