DT SWISS | Star Ratchet Upgrade | PURE SOUND| Double the Engagement | Comparison | 18T - 36T

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  • More Buzz and twice the engagement. Installation upgrade, angle of engagement, sound and weight comparison between the 18T and 36T star ratchet.
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  • @Rolzhey
    @Rolzhey 7 років тому +44

    The production is better than most over 500k channels

  • @Cycle9568
    @Cycle9568 2 роки тому

    I just did this upgrade on my 2020 Roubaix Expert. Great upgrade in my opinion.

  • @TTBokTV
    @TTBokTV 5 років тому +6

    great video, thanks for this video. more power to your channel.

  • @leftymadrid
    @leftymadrid 5 років тому +4

    Excellent video bud!!!!!
    Straight to the point for sure!!! :-) :-)

  • @juliosalazar1772
    @juliosalazar1772 6 років тому +1

    I have a roval traverse can i put the 36t star rachet

  • @mikeburton8426
    @mikeburton8426 6 років тому +8

    I “upgraded” my roval slx40’s to the 36 tooth after I convinced myself it was what a sprinter would do. I thought it was great but in races everybody commented they always knew exactly where I was... it is a bit loud. For kicks I just went back to the old 16’s. Probably a better upgrade for a mtn bike.

    • @rolux4853
      @rolux4853 4 роки тому +1

      mike burton probably if you’d upgrade to a Mountainbike!

    • @mikeburton8426
      @mikeburton8426 4 роки тому

      True That, had a blast with my Stache this week. But don’t get me started on upgrades for that. “New” bikes are apparently not allowed until I get rid of one I already have. Sheesh.

  • @muhammadrehman5121
    @muhammadrehman5121 3 роки тому +1

    Do you have to have dt Swiss hubs for this to work ?

  • @unzulaessig
    @unzulaessig 4 роки тому

    Is this upgrade work for all newer DT hubs?

  • @vicentelavergnie5679
    @vicentelavergnie5679 5 років тому +2

    Que modelo de masa es esa ?? Dt swiss....

  • @highsnburgers4862
    @highsnburgers4862 5 років тому +1

    Cool!

  • @michaelt5624
    @michaelt5624 6 років тому +10

    The 54T was worth the upgrade, do it....Not noisy at all, kinda sweet sounding.
    Grease is OIL (Different viscosity's) + SOAP (+ Other ingredients), the soap is what 'STICKS' the grease to the surface.
    Most soaps are hydrophilic (Absorbs water) causing the grease to get that grey foamy look.
    Marine grease is oil + lithium complex with anti rust and corrosion additives that REPELS WATER.
    Boat trailers that load regularly that don't use marine grease in the wheel bearings....I don't want to be the person driving behind them down the highway.
    Anything on the transom, bottom gears or internals on a boat, this is the stuff to use...WATER is repelled by this product (Marine Grease) and is great on anything exposed to water.
    Works @#!%&! great on a bike and isn't over priced, repacked product (Phil Woods).
    I have the 54T upgrade and use Marine Grease on the ratchet....Pretty blue color as well.

    • @amstudioprojects
      @amstudioprojects  6 років тому

      Hi Michael, Thanks for the tip! Will acquire the marine grease you mentioned.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      DT makes specific freehub grease. Or use phils tenacious oil.

    • @johnnygreeko9886
      @johnnygreeko9886 3 роки тому

      Thanks for the tip. Will any marine grease do, I have lucas marine grease.

  • @pakelly99
    @pakelly99 4 роки тому

    Can I do this to dt Swiss 180 carbon shell hubs?

  • @Miroslav_123
    @Miroslav_123 7 років тому +1

    is this dt 240?

  • @ingogringo188
    @ingogringo188 3 роки тому

    Hey what kind of dot Swiss are u using?is that r20 dicut?

  • @angeljimenez2112
    @angeljimenez2112 7 років тому +2

    will this upgrade kit work on roval fattie aluminum wheels. think they use dt Swiss internals

  • @mdrummond194
    @mdrummond194 5 років тому +3

    Just bought the same m1700 wheel, if I wipe out some extra grease, will my hub sound more like this, it’s pretty quiet,.

    • @teodorkubik9369
      @teodorkubik9369 4 роки тому

      M DRUMMOND yes i had same problem with mine, clean all parts and put really light layer of grease, or you can use some thick oil

  • @stevencgal6587
    @stevencgal6587 4 роки тому +4

    Hi, I like to thank you for producing this great video that's educational and easy to understand how ratchets work. I like to ask you a question. Appreciate very much if you are able to clear my doubts. I have recently bought a Giant Defy Advanced Pro 2. I understand from my local Giant distributor that the hub used on its SLR carbon wheel disc is having 18t ratchet. However, they do not want to reveal if the hub is a DT Swiss hub. Any idea on this? If it is a DT Swiss, I like to purchase my own ratchet upgrade kit from 18t to 54t. Thank you in advance.

    • @johnnygreeko9886
      @johnnygreeko9886 3 роки тому +1

      For the money buy the ZTTO knockoffs for 35.00 US on Ebay, try those simple as that :) if they don't fit, send it back, If they fit, keep them and buy the DT Swiss down the road when you want to upgrade again. I have the ZTTO 36t they work great.

  • @farghom
    @farghom 2 роки тому

    @
    amstudio, can use any grease?

  • @alinutzalin6346
    @alinutzalin6346 4 роки тому +2

    What about the drag comparison?

  • @benifrrokaj1781
    @benifrrokaj1781 7 років тому

    what hub is that please? cuz i have the same hub and i dont know which one is?

  • @UncletonyC
    @UncletonyC 3 роки тому

    Can this be done on any bike ?

  • @tonyaguilar2151
    @tonyaguilar2151 7 років тому +6

    excellent video bro

  • @Fincher123
    @Fincher123 5 років тому +1

    I tuned my one to verry loud one =P It is the only video on my channel =)

  • @johnnygreeko9886
    @johnnygreeko9886 3 роки тому

    You pissed off a few bees. BEEEE careful :) Great vid.

  • @yutian6111
    @yutian6111 4 роки тому +3

    i changed a 54t one .

  • @arielyoung2395
    @arielyoung2395 7 років тому +1

    Great video!
    Music credit?

  • @RAG0407
    @RAG0407 3 роки тому +1

    Perhaps a silly qn. But does the free hub sound increase when u go from 18 to 36 t. Or is the sound the same?

    • @ciechantrial
      @ciechantrial 3 роки тому

      what do you mean "sound increase"? Frequency increases, volume not.

  • @1bojanbojan
    @1bojanbojan 3 роки тому

    Going with 54t on a road bike will it make the bike slower or faster ?

    • @colemitchmtb
      @colemitchmtb 3 роки тому +3

      On a road bike engagement doesn’t make much difference and it will just increase drag, more engagement is more beneficial in mountain biking

  • @johanneshuovinen8370
    @johanneshuovinen8370 3 роки тому +2

    Why is this your last bike video, and why did you stop making them?

  • @Vonzil1
    @Vonzil1 2 роки тому +1

    Music is awesome

  • @ollydickinson2196
    @ollydickinson2196 6 років тому

    I have DT Swiss X1700 hubs, can I do this upgrade?

    • @JeffMcAhren
      @JeffMcAhren 5 років тому

      I believe those come with DT Swiss 350 hubs, so yes.

  • @levar012586
    @levar012586 7 років тому +2

    Very nice video! I'm considering upgrading my wheels to dt swiss 350's. What rims do you all recommend and why?

    • @amstudioprojects
      @amstudioprojects  7 років тому +4

      Yeah the 350s are great hubs. For rims depends on a number of factors, type of riding, strength/weight, and budget . There are plenty of options. Alot of people I ride with use Stans and Enve rims.

    • @levar012586
      @levar012586 7 років тому +1

      Thanks!

  • @mazditzo
    @mazditzo 6 років тому +1

    loud and affordable freehub is hope, lol

  • @marteeen89
    @marteeen89 6 років тому +1

    What happends if i degrease all parts and not lube at all? i know it can ruin the ratchets , but how long does it take for it to happend? is it safe to ride enduro and jumps with degreaset ratchets? I put less lube than you, and i still have very low sound... Shoud i grease only 18t ratchet from the inside and degrease everything else? Axle, springs, spacer etc? Thank you...

    • @mariusaneci2634
      @mariusaneci2634 6 років тому +1

      I'm using 36t ratchet without any greese for a long time and i dont have any problem. Sounds very lound especialy with the springs more loaded .chears

    • @martinivanovic9881
      @martinivanovic9881 6 років тому

      marius Aneci So, if i understand you correctly, i can twist springs a little bit so i can add more tension to it? (Springs that press ratchets into place)The hub will probably be louder then?

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      You really have to ask this question? With high end hubs? Be safe out there!!

    • @nc33228
      @nc33228 2 роки тому

      @@mariusaneci2634 how do you load your springs

  • @LuisManuelHdez
    @LuisManuelHdez 4 роки тому +2

    I find the 36t is lacking engagement for climbing tech trails. Bought the 54t kit and I'm hoping for better results. Should really come standard on these pricey carbon hops! But as we know.. easy money for DT.😂

  • @useport80
    @useport80 7 років тому +1

    how did your cassette pull off so easily? did you use a cassette lockring removal tool and chain whip prior?

    • @robertonjr10
      @robertonjr10 7 років тому +4

      It's because he took the whole driver out, not the cassette

    • @jaypistone
      @jaypistone 4 роки тому

      Its look like the free hub not using threaded end cap.. the end cap is just an easy slot in system.. thats why the free hub can pull off together with cassette and no need to dissassemble cassette at 1st.. still the cassette can be dissassemble 1st if u want..

  • @douglasmcclellan1692
    @douglasmcclellan1692 6 років тому

    Great for Mt bikes, but how does a DT Swiss hub perform on a road bike freewheeling down a steep hill? I can tell you that compared to a wheel, such as a Zipp wheel with a 188 hub on a spin test, the Zipp will spin at least 10x longer, and you don't need ear plugs. DM

    • @FeryllGaming
      @FeryllGaming 6 років тому

      Drag will be much more significant than the resistance you get from friction inside a hub which is in proper condition.

  • @molepitbikes
    @molepitbikes 7 років тому +6

    Who is better, Grease or oil??

    • @AGS34
      @AGS34 6 років тому +4

      Always use grease on a bearing interface, unless specified by the manufacturer. Grease has far better water resistance than oil. For DT hubs, the molykote grease is recommended.

    • @michaelt5624
      @michaelt5624 6 років тому

      Grease is OIL (Different viscosity's) + SOAP (+ Other ingredients), the soap is what 'STICKS' the grease to the surface.
      Most soaps are hydrophilic (Absorbs water) causing the grease to get that grey foamy look.
      Marine grease is oil + lithium complex with anti rust and corrosion additives that REPELS WATER.
      Boat trailers that load regularly that don't use marine grease in the wheel bearings....I don't want to be the person driving behind them down the highway.
      Anything on the transom, bottom gears or internals on a boat, this is the stuff to use...WATER is repelled by this product (Marine Grease) and is great on anything exposed to water.
      Works @#!%&! great on a bike and isn't over priced, repacked product (Phil Woods).

  • @DM-hw4cr
    @DM-hw4cr 6 років тому +1

    My 350 rear hub is almost silent?

    • @mazditzo
      @mazditzo 6 років тому +2

      ride it for hundreds km, let the grease evaporated and leave a bit of it, then its gonna make.good sound

    • @cassianfrank1660
      @cassianfrank1660 3 роки тому

      Regrease it, that's what I am doing now

  • @headshotteapot1067
    @headshotteapot1067 7 років тому +5

    What's the trade off? I mean why not make all wheels with the 54t ratchet for even faster engagement?

    • @CBstoffer
      @CBstoffer 7 років тому

      Ever so slightly more resistance with more teeth.

    • @poiik2682
      @poiik2682 6 років тому

      Price?

    • @tamasstrezi
      @tamasstrezi 6 років тому +1

      Increased chance of pedal kickback as the rear suspension moves.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      Christopher Bøgh Andersen Not if youre pedaling! Thats how you go faster!

  • @NomadFM
    @NomadFM 3 роки тому

    18T is faster and has lower rolling resistance?

    • @nc33228
      @nc33228 2 роки тому

      Yes but 20° of engagement 54t has 5°

  • @captaincommodore8901
    @captaincommodore8901 2 роки тому +1

    So in case I want a less annoying and more silent hub I go with 18 teeth?

  • @angelelizondo2554
    @angelelizondo2554 5 років тому +1

    Hello does anybody know if you could do it with any DT Swiss rims???

    • @sorinvladu7021
      @sorinvladu7021 3 роки тому

      You can do it if you have a DT swiss star ratchet hub. If you have a 3pawl hub, you cannot.

  • @mohamadnouri7474
    @mohamadnouri7474 6 років тому +4

    Toop sestem

  • @antoniotony2013
    @antoniotony2013 5 років тому +3

    54t the best

  • @kevinhendriks8862
    @kevinhendriks8862 5 років тому +1

    What bike is it

    • @Sticks0915
      @Sticks0915 4 роки тому +1

      Pivot Mach 429 Trail. I have the same bike and it's spectacular

  • @Liljoozy
    @Liljoozy 4 роки тому

    Beginner question, but why is more buzz a good thing?

    • @colemitchmtb
      @colemitchmtb 3 роки тому

      A louder hub usually means more engagement, which is a good thing for technical climbs and just in general. Also because hub go ZzzzzzzZzzZZZzz

  • @rightcoastermtb2340
    @rightcoastermtb2340 4 роки тому +4

    wow, that engagement difference is pretty significant. how much would that 18-36 upgrade cost?

    • @dave1343
      @dave1343 3 роки тому +1

      my engagement dt swiss 54t cost 120$

  • @hectorsaavedra8092
    @hectorsaavedra8092 4 роки тому +2

    Upgrade? The wheel spins longer with 18 than with 36

  • @daverichards5567
    @daverichards5567 7 років тому

    Great vid, How did you make it so loud!?

  • @jerome27100
    @jerome27100 7 років тому +1

    Why would you actually use 18T ratchet when the 36T provides the advantage of double the engagement?

    • @SteveHindman
      @SteveHindman 6 років тому +7

      There's a tiny bit more resistance with 36 teeth when freewheeling and some people might not like the sound.

    • @richpotatothebestg.m.ovegg2599
      @richpotatothebestg.m.ovegg2599 6 років тому +1

      Jerome Anker It comes stock so you have to give them another 60$ for the kit.

  • @mevesko
    @mevesko 7 років тому +2

    Lika plane haahah

  • @idontcaresapo8233
    @idontcaresapo8233 7 років тому +2

    my hub doesn't sound like that I have the same rim just the way it comes from factory....it's very quiet...it's ts this ok?

    • @amstudioprojects
      @amstudioprojects  7 років тому +8

      Brand new ones are quieter to start with, it will get louder with more use. You could open it up and have a look and use less grease.

    • @MrBoobo11
      @MrBoobo11 7 років тому +1

      mine too the hud its not as luod as this :(

    • @joshuamouritsen8056
      @joshuamouritsen8056 7 років тому

      ride!

    • @SergioGonzalez-tu8xy
      @SergioGonzalez-tu8xy 6 років тому

      hi.from spain. please help with this. i have a roval cl50 in my road bike ,with Rear Hub: Roval AF1, sealed cartridge bearings, DT Swiss 350. its compatible with the 36t kit??thanks so much

    • @dddtaaa
      @dddtaaa 6 років тому

      Yes it is

  • @thou_shalt_kill1355
    @thou_shalt_kill1355 6 років тому

    Jet engine

  • @alen6881
    @alen6881 4 роки тому

    Throw out your scales, 18T weigh 15 grams, he changed it to 54t

  • @adriansue8955
    @adriansue8955 7 років тому +1

    Here's a fun idea:
    since 36 is an even multiple of 18.
    What if you installed an 18 star meshing with a 36?
    in theory,
    you still get the 36 position 10degree ratcheting, but now instead of just throwing away the old stars, you have created two identical sets; one as a spare.
    double the value?

    • @ius8998
      @ius8998 7 років тому +1

      The angle of engagement for 18 and 36 are not the same, so it would not work

    • @adriansue8955
      @adriansue8955 7 років тому

      36 divides evenly by 18, it would just mesh every-other-tooth

    • @SteveHindman
      @SteveHindman 6 років тому

      The teeth on the 36t may be smaller in size vs. the height of the teeth on the 18t gear.

    • @1specialchild
      @1specialchild 6 років тому

      Set aside the theory, do the actual experimentation to know the result!

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      specialchild WHY?!?!youll have a weaker engagement. This is the drive mechanism in your wheel. Its what makes you move!!!!!

  • @codeseven7057
    @codeseven7057 6 років тому +2

    36 is better.

    • @jonathanhowson6420
      @jonathanhowson6420 5 років тому

      72 engagements per rotation with near indestructible bearings is best. Chris king all the way

  • @JasonChambersPhoto
    @JasonChambersPhoto 5 років тому +1

    My ratchets have worn already after owning my 1501 wheels that came on my m team Orbea Rallon. Probably had around 15-20 hours riding.

  • @manoz6194
    @manoz6194 Рік тому

    imo it should come standard, another way to squeeze money out of the consumer

  • @MauriceNL1
    @MauriceNL1 6 років тому +1

    that sound is always so annoying bikes, my e bike has that sound to

  • @stricmic000
    @stricmic000 6 років тому +2

    The best upgrade for DT Swiss hubs is to replace them with Chris King

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      Stricmic000
      YUP! Better driver(much
      larger)Waaaay better bearings. CK is the only guy who makes his own proprietary bearings. Everybody else uses off the shelf sealed cartridges of varying quality.
      I have a Classic hub 24 years old still on the original bearings! Probably over 100000 miles on this hub, on and off road and all weathers.
      Still gotta maintain these hubs though! Thats the key to make anything last a long time.

  • @anonymouskomentar783
    @anonymouskomentar783 3 роки тому

    Your rotor is rubbing..

  • @truthseeker8483
    @truthseeker8483 6 років тому +4

    Double engagement = double friction...

    • @poiik2682
      @poiik2682 6 років тому +2

      TRUTH SEEKER only friction is when you stop to pedal... So i guess don't stop pedalling?

    • @truthseeker8483
      @truthseeker8483 6 років тому +2

      Cordier Theuns actually if you stop pedalling you are probably slowing down so a bit more friction could be helpful..I dont like the horrible noise though....

  • @tarukmongto
    @tarukmongto 6 років тому +1

    That's a noisy drive chain, double ring 4 eva

  • @mallorymcguire833
    @mallorymcguire833 7 років тому +5

    How is this better? I have DT Swiss wheels and I hear this awful noise on the road, and it's so loud and screeching it's distracting. Why would anyone want hubs this noisy?

    • @seanhornchek6440
      @seanhornchek6440 7 років тому +5

      better engagement, for technical mountain climbs its a serious upgrade.

    • @michaelt5624
      @michaelt5624 6 років тому +1

      I don't even notice mine unless I'm intentionally listening for it.
      Wind noise or my ear buds take care of any unwanted sounds generally.
      When I do listen for it, its kinda like music.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      Some roadies and their issues with noise are the bane to all us mechanics existence. Get a fixed gear, mine is silent, except tires on the ground. Get a silent hub! Some Shimano’s are pretty quiet. Stealth makes a silent hub.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 5 років тому

      Pedaling more helps too! Thats where that fixed gear comes in!

  • @kay19833
    @kay19833 5 років тому

    One thing I don't know is, what did I just watch? what is a rachet system, do other brands have the same? how is this a thing? I know what ABS does in a car's braking system but, what does a rachet system do in bike hubs rather than screaming to the world, "look at me!, I am alive, recognize my existence!"?

    • @sickbassdrop
      @sickbassdrop 5 років тому +3

      It decreases the distance your cranks turn before they engage the hub. This makes technical climbs, where you need to stop pedaling at some point then begin again, much easier. You don't eat up all of your pedal stroke before you engage your hub making for a more efficient power transfer. Your ignorance is ok, but the way you ask your question is not. You're condemning something without having any knowledge of it. You would do well to carry this lesson throughout all aspects of your life.

    • @sickbassdrop
      @sickbassdrop 5 років тому +1

      Also, no, other brands use other configurations of ratchet systems. Most use a pawl and ring system wherein the internal spring loaded pawls engage against a ratchet ring around the circumference of the system (e.g., Hope, Industry 9, Novatec). There are a few brands that are "silent". This is accomplished using a sprag clutch. Go educate yourself!

    • @kay19833
      @kay19833 5 років тому

      @@sickbassdrop I'm glad I have effectively moves a nerve in you with my logic. You see when someone gets so abrasive and defensive when mildly criticized and they throw a prebubescent tempertantrum, you know you hit the right nerve because, they couldn't logically debunk the initial point made.
      That said, culd you tell me, what system was the winner/winners of the XC racers been using for the past 10years or even 5 to make things easier. Since DT-Swiss rachet is so good that we gotta have it. Tell me are the winners using this system? if not, maybe it just ain't all that, have you thought of that?

    • @sickbassdrop
      @sickbassdrop 5 років тому +6

      ​@@kay19833 I'm pretty positive that I answered the questions you posed in your original post. No nerves were hit. I was simply providing some education. I could have belittled you and told you to go look it up yourself or just insulted you and left it at that. I am honestly at a loss as to where you made the determination that I was being defensive. I would need a point to defend first, correct? You must be in serious need of conflict because you're really reaching to accuse me of throwing a tantrum. I'm convinced now that you never actually read my reply.
      Ok, I'll bite. The last 10 years of UCI XCO World Cup championship have been dominated by both Nino Schurter and Julien Absalon with the exception of Kulhavy, in 2011, I believe. The system and equipment that top pros use means nothing to average Joe riders. Nino Schurter could beat any of us with a Wal-Mart bike. But to answer your challenge Nino has run DT Swiss XMC (or XRC) 1200 wheels in almost every race for the past 3 years and he uses the DT Swiss 36 tooth ratchet system. Please, feel free to use whatever system you want.

    • @darrensmith9182
      @darrensmith9182 4 роки тому +1

      @@sickbassdrop well said

  • @rosomak8244
    @rosomak8244 Рік тому +1

    I have a better upgrade for all those DT swiss riders. It's free! It involves a cardboard and the spokes. You take a small piece of cardboard and fold it. Then you place it between the fork and spokes. It makes even more annoying noise. However I know: you won't accept free because you love to overpay 10x for simple things.

  • @willrobb5838
    @willrobb5838 6 років тому +1

    Had to stop watching as soon as he put them on the scales..