My Hero Academia S5E23 "Tenko Shimura: Origin" Reaction and Discussion!
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We see why Tomura is the way he is. A sad life he was born into, and a cruel fate he recieved
The most unfortunate thing about this all to me is, I think had Shiggys powers not manifested in that moment, he would have resolved his issue with his family.
His sister literally came to apologise. His father read the letter and was having a change of heart. His mother and grandparents finally stood up to the father and said this is where we draw the line....
But sadly, Shiggy didn't get to see any of that.
This really shows how quirks do more harm than good
@@plaguewater depends on the quirk
@@ASageCalledQ all quirks, theyre a sickness.
He was wondering why nobody stood up for him and intervened when he was being hit by his father, but he never got to see how his mom defended him in front of his dad and how she wouldn't stand for any more abuse. I think he really felt like nobody was on his side :/
@@shizar998 overhaul did NOTHING wrong
In this arc, they mention how quirks can affect your personality. Due to the nature of his quirk, I Believe shigaraki's itch is like a manifestation of his innate desire to destroy. Everytime he itches, it's like a subconscious urge to destroy something.
Very good point, similar to Toga
@@DmDaPDm Bingo!
That is literally what AFO tells him to make him believe all he can do is destroy and to fuel his hatred. Destroying is not something Tenko inherently possesses. He itches when he's in the house especially because that's where his father would berate him for his dream of being a hero. Tenko even says that he thought the itch would be gone but it's not, he thinks maybe if someone reached out their hand to save him the itch would have been gone for good. His nature as a kid was never to destroy, it was to help the outcasts and loners that felt left out because he has a big heart and that's why Mikkun told him 'you should be All Might, Ten.'
I personally believe that the itch is simply because of an early partial manifestation of his quirk, and that irritates his skin. Because his son is clearly always irritated just from looking at it.
@@sheevpalpatine6139 I don’t know, good theory, tbh I think it’s just to show when he’s stressed or upset, which is why him saying the itching stopped after he killed his Dad is pretty dark. That was the only time he was at peace.
Shigaraki is told to be "20 year old social reject" by the Doctor a few eps ago, definitely older than Deku iirc.
Yeah he is actually 22 by now
Shigaraki's story is so sad. He wanted his family to tell him that he could do it. That he could be a hero. The same thing Deku wanted his Mom to say. But they never did, they just accepted what his dad said. Just told him to endure the pain and suffering. Until it all burst out.
15:48 Shigaraki is 20-21 years old. So this happened close to the birth of people of Deku's generation(Shigaraki is 5 here).
Probably one of the saddest pasts in the anime history
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Careful youll anger the edgelords in the comments
@@jordandavis5206 ok
AFO really is a menace. I honestly want to know what Nana did to him to make him have this obsession with the Shimura's to the point where he targeted Nana's son, his family, and ruined her grandson's life. To mold Tenko into a villain that will be the 'symbol of fear' just to spite a previous OFA user, and I'm sure his machinations don't end there, for Tenko to not have been saved by anyone on the streets & with no heroes being around except AFO seems awfully suspicious, like you don't just happen to come across the 5 year old grandson of your nemesis from years ago after he killed his whole family. It just seems like everything fell into place too perfectly for him.
its actually because AFO hate all might so much, not nana, he mention it in s3
AFO is obsessed with OFA and everyone/thing that stands in his way of it. It’s the embodiment of his younger brother & the one thing that never bent to his will
We know how nana died it was showed in the all might ova. AFO Destroyed her during their battle
This backstory feels so real. Families will keep quiet about some fucked up shit when it happens behind closed doors or in private. I really felt Tenko's pain when he didn't understand why his family wouldn't help him when he needed them.
Well, not for anyone. For me it doesn't feel real because of magnitude of "fucked up shit" in that specific case. Shown scenes mean abuse only for people of some entirely different culture and mindset. Some manic drunkard father that beats his family with metal pipe on daily basis to went his anger - now, that's traumatic and tragic. But here we have an adequate one that just insist on his one - albeit strange for Tenko - home rule, and he is surprisingly gentle about it. I (as well as pretty much everyone of same generation around my place) was punished and slapped on the nape all the time in my childhood, and I know for a fact that it just ISN'T some world-breaking dramatic experience, as long as parents remain loving. In the morning you argue with father and get slapped, but at noon you already watch together funny cartoon and laugh happily. And in the evening he reads you about Harrison's "The Stainless Steel Rat" sitting near bed, and you peacefully go to sleep without any kind of hidden grudge or secret tears, because nothing out of the ordinary happened. There was literally nothing that warrants any pain, hatred and need of help in flashback until quirk manifested. Just happy family life with minor and expected level of discomfort that many would envy. So IMHO emotions and reactions of Tenko don't seem real and possible at all, and I can take entire sad scene seriously only if I assume that child was overreacting under influence of his quirk. Well, something like that.
@@Uaroth It's cute that you had to type up an essay in an attempt to self justify your lack of empathy, but hey, you do you my man
@@NoU-wc5ny you most certainly would not believe it, but from time to time I get accusations and troubles because of being "too empathetic", "westernized" and, if it's appropriate translation, "liberfag". Because I love to argue about understanding and humanism, tell people to "put yourself in other's shoes", insist "they are people just like any of us" and stuff like that. But there - there is literally nothing to empathize. It's just a fact, from what I saw he had picture-perfect childhood with minimal troubles. Everyone here can just remember they own early years with hits flying left and right, and no one snapped because of it, it was just a form of communication, innocent as handshake. And everyone still love and visit their fathers, if they have opportunity, and not brimming with hate because of mere home arrest or couple educational slaps. This is really easy thing to check, majority of people experienced it personnaly. So no, mocking about lack of empathy is not valid in situation where no one actually could suffer so much as it was depicted.
@@Uaroth If you call your father physically and emotionally abusing you a picture perfect childhood with minimal troubles, you're too far gone. "hits flying left and right" being as innocent as a handshake... oof, yep there's no saving you at all. Sorry your childhood was trash my man
@@NoU-wc5ny well, and yet with this trash childhood I've managed to become relatively decent and according to some witnesses pretty kind human being, I love my father, know many useful things thanks of him, and wrote a poem to him as adult. And, what's more important - I'm not unique in this regard, far from it, most people were raised the same way and never had agressive breakdown like in this episode. I have no way to know in which paradise you grew up, but almost anyone was restricted, grounded, yelled at and regularly slapped as part of normal upbringing, and yet they never minded it, they remain normal people, some of them are probably your friends. So called it trash if you want with your high standarts of new enlightened age, but people live happily with this trash and never feel so much hate, despair and agression over it, as Shigaraki right here.
I've had a theory that Shigiraki's power would be different if he was raised right, cause his decay only really showed itself when his heart was full of hatred. Always thought it'd be interesting if it gets revealed that if he feels extreme care and sympathy for something that it'd heal it or something like that.
THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A REALLY COOL AU MAN
theres a panel in the manga that they skipped, tenko got lost and a stranger brought him home, such a small thing, but that might have been all for one, and maybe thats how shiggi got decay, he was 5 and didnt got a quirk so it was safe to assume he was born quirkless.
and it would be a great parallel to Deku, two kids born quirkless wanting to be heroes.
@@chick1000123 I know that is the prominent theory that is most likely -- but I don't prefer AFO having a hand in basically everything. I would prefer that Shiggy already had something in him that he just triggered in him (he has quirk force activation). That Shiggy still was born with something somewhat destructive to show the natural unfairness of quirks of what Deku said at the start of the series that 'people are not BORN equal'.
It's not as bad as Deku having a secret quirk for me (again him not being born unequal but circumstance doing it) since that was such an intergral part to Deku's character being quirkless since the start, but still... even more makes AFO seem like the main villain manipulating basically every variable. But yeah, it is probably just a simple as him giving him decay...
They still have the parallels without that though, as they succeed both of the master's powerwise still, without him giving Tenko decay.
Shigaraki is 20 deku is 16
Sad that they censored Shigaraki losing 2 fingers, here they are just broken. Everything else was good.
3 fingers.
Idk how they'll approach it cus he gets prosthetics, so those fingers are gone, that's canon.
I mean he does get prosthetics and it’s shows in the second movie. Meaning he probably had to get those fingers amputated.
They're probably gonna change that when the blurays release. They typically have uncensored parts and little fixes.
"We got pieces of dog and child tho"
Lmao I feel bad for laughing-
great reaction. also have you guys seen all might rising OVA in that they show a glimpse of nana vs all for one.
Great reaction guys, yeah that episode was brutal
Shigaraki doesn’t have a normal quirk , his quirk was mutated and manifested in a certain way , just like eri she’s been threw a lot of abuse so when they finally got their quirk it was mutated that’s why it’s so strong and not normal also mutated quirks mess with your body so that’s why you see them with White/Light Blue-ish hair and red eyes!
Poor Tenko he was turned into decay due to circumstances
18:35 It was shown in the short OVA - *'All Might Rising'* how Nana died. There might be a better video of it but here's one. Link: ua-cam.com/video/8sH62evyOgQ/v-deo.html
there is no more way to get you in the road of villains than killing your family
the irony is the Mom hug that he couldn't have at end has been replaced with all for one hug
What sad is, Nana forbid her heroes friends to ever get in contact with her son to protect him. But the result was that he was left alone and sad, probably had to look out for himself from a pretty early age and ended up becoming a pretty flawed parent. Had he lived surrounded by people like Gran Torino and All Might, the only people alive close to family, who really understood his mother and why she was doing what she was doing, he probably would've not grow up with so much resentment and have all these issues. He would've take care of his family in a brighter and healthier way and all this tragedy could've been avoided. The guy is pretty much what Kota from season 3 could've become had he not met Izuku. It's clear that Nana Shimura's decision was coming from a good place, she was genuinely thinking it was the best for his son safety and happiness, but at the end she ended up making things worse and indirectly doomed her entire lineage.
With shiggys quirk I don’t think it mattered what family who grew up in his quirk manifesting was going to be a fucking horror film no matter what no child no matter how stable would be able to handle that randomly happening without destroying some things by accident. I think the only difference is instead of getting mad at the world he would’ve just became depressed and blamed himself if he was born in a good household
Poor tenko shimura😭. That bad father kotaro.😠
Boo on Nana for abandon her kid and her actions led to the painful and sad fate of Shimur
I mean she could have kept him and he got killed like her husband got killed from AFO or she would have died anyway under her care like Kota's parents. Would that be the better alternative? lol
That Star Wars theory he mentioned made me now entertain the possibility that if All for One is Deku's father, maybe he got together with his mom because she reminded him of his first lover, who ends up being Nana Shimura (which connects to how All Might found them similar), and this in turn would mean that All for One's lover was turned into the next One for All in hopes of being able to stop him, which would make her getting killed by him more tragic and layered,... and all of this would accumulate to the reveal that Koutaro was Nana & One For All's love-child, making All for One Shigaraki's grandfather, making Koutaro Deku's older half-brother & making Deku blood related to his overarching nemesis by being Shigaraki's half-uncle.
shigaraki would have a terrible life regardless of his upbringing, hes just another piece in All for ones game.
Shigaraki is 21 years old. He is 5 years older than Deku.
Ost is called symbol of fear
Hope Twice can save Toga-Chan!
I may be remembering wrong but I could have sworn at the beginning Deku's mum mentions the dad could breathe fire or something. Other than that though yeah I think you guys are right about never hearing anything about him.
Another reason Kotaro was in a negative mindset is because he still would have been grieving for his own father when Nana dropped him into the system.
He’s 21. It isn’t stated in the anime besides the doctor saying he’s in his 20s.
The grandma one for all really caused this wow
When Shigaraki puts hands on himself why wasn't he decayed like the rest of his family at that time he didn't know how to control his quirk so he should've also decayed right? Quirks can also hurt the person that's using them. Best example is Blue flame villain who burns his own skin while using flames.
that's no quite right. every quirk works a little bit different, shigaraki's quirk might be one of those that work on everything else, but not on himself, which is far more realistic than thinking he never accidentally touched himself (and dabi's flames hurt him for a very specific reason, so he's kinda a bad example).
@@grinstrashcan ok thanks for clarifying. I'm guessing that reason is spoiler so I won't ask, What reason?
What was nanas quirk?
Shigaraki was evil even as a kid, and he admits it.
He didn't just kill everyone because of ONE slap and some harsh words, I am pretty sure Todoroki and Bakugo were taking a ton of beating on a daily basis, and they didn't turn evil. Shigaraki had HATE and Killing Intent in his heart from such an age! Wow!
He is still in my top 5 most favorite list tho, but I hate him nonetheless for his pure Evil essence.
Deku's dad is working overseas
shigaraki is 20, toga is 16 or 17 and Dabi is 19
I've seen quite a few people make the "his dad was strict and that's why Shiggy's a villain" argument and... I don't buy it. Yes, he played "heroes" with his friends but he was 5, of course he did. A 5 year old that was literally itching to kill his parents. Maybe he wouldn't have wanted to if his dad wasn't an ass, but a 5 year old wanting to kill anyone to begin with is kind of a red flag.
It's the same with Toga, and she didn't even have a traumatic experience, but an urge to drink blood that started when she was about the same age. She was able to repress it until she stabbed a boy she liked because she saw him get a bloody nose in a fight.
Maybe there could be some form of therapy to curb their violent urges, but the idea that they could have been "normal" if not for some unfortunate event seems unlikely.
@_ scüp It still would have manifested the same way, your upbringing doesn't affect how/when your quirk will manifest. Your quirk affects you.
@_ scüp I wouldn't say I'm "forgetting" that quirks can affect a person's personality, just that it wasn't really relevant to my point. If anything it reinforces the idea that he was likely going to be a messed up guy regardless of his upbringing. I also didn't say his itch was conscious, and regardless of how it manifests, a passionate desire to violently destroy the things you hate isn't a 'good' trait.
@@WiqidBritt The proverb "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" fits Tenko perfectly.
Grandma one for all for the streets 😂 she literally just left homie in foster care 🤨🤨
I i feel bad for Mon the dog he didn't deserved the fate he got but the rest did...hi own sister ratted him out and blamed him for her actions and the mother and grandparents did nothing to help Tenko when he needed it most, and thoigh that final scene woth his mom trying to go to him was heartbreaking a little too late.
Him becoming a villain honestly is completely justified. In my opinion atleast
Not justified, just understandable. There is a difference.
@@ADHDkid321 i believe it was justified meaning i think it was reasonable to become a villain after everything he went through and how he was treated. That’s why why I said in my opinion.