Won a driver of my choice in a comp and this video is literally perfect. Once again, this channel delivers a extremely good helpful , informative video! Love it
The only thing that has changed in drivers since the COR limits were put in place is how forgiving a driver is. Rocco Mediate said it best, he's a PGA pro and his driver needs to be in the 2500-2600 spin area to be playable. Everyone that goes and buys the new Cobra that gets 1900 spin and 65 -70 feet of height are soon to find out they simply have no control over it. A driver that carries 260 and finishes 300 in farmer john's corn field is no good to anyone. Who is in the finals of these driver brackets every year? Mizuno, Tour Edge, Ping....constantly. Look at this graph, Cobra at 1800 spin is all over the place and Tour Edge at 2500 is a small white circle. The phrase, "our newest hot driver" is probably the most misleading line ever attached to drivers by major golf companies.
I was fitted for Mizuno STZ January 2022. After playing with it for season love it. I have 95-100mph club head speed and the distances Thomas was getting were spot on to what I get and I'm 55+. My last round of year in October was Buffalo Ridge in Branson and my Driver average total distance was 272 yards.
@Matt Pitzer I bought it with the Project X Hzds smoke blue 60 shaft, which is one of the stock shafts. My swing speed is usually 90-95 and this shaft is meant for mid level swings. It also has a little lower spin and launch. So far I like it.
I have hit practically every one of these and I'm in agreement. the title is TSR2 was by far the best for me personally. stealth was a close second but the title is just looks beautiful to the eye. so if you're looking at a combination of performance anesthetical appeal, the titleist was an easy choice for me. then again I'm biased. I'm playing with titleist irons vokey wedges and a Scotty so another manufacturer was going to really have to woo me with numbers to get me to not purchase the titlelist and fortunately for me it didn't happen. My numbers were overwhelming with the TSR2 as the best performer
Great job 2nd swing, funny reading the comments and ppl wanting "their" swing for the comparison. Im a lefty and just have to do my own "trial and error" testing. Currently have Cal BB B21 and TSi2....B21is the gamer..
Played G425 first half of the year, then switched to TSi2. Longer, not has forgiving but looks and sounds better..... then TsR came out and I was a little salty. I had no idea and would've waited.
It can be a little annoying and obnoxious. This is coming from someone who loves PING. I went from a G30 to a Mavrik, and the acoustic difference is huge.
Its a comparison guide so everything is considered. I think the Ping is ugly and although straight, it wasnt the best distance for me and I struggled to shape it. We all know that our bags are personal....
Great work, gents… Tomas, unrelated topic… Will you still be sharing your progress on Superspeed? You posted some great segments in the past on the topic. Thanks! 👍💪🙌💯
I love how politically they describe the sound of the Ping and the Tour Edge 🤣. I have the Rogue ST Max and it sounds amazing, but it sets up too closed. I'm unusual in that I've traditionally played Stealth +, M1, Epic SZ etc and went for the Rogue Max to get forgiveness. I'm thinking of getting the Rogue ST Max in 10.5 and lowering loft to open the face. The efficiency of the TSR 2 is impressive, but it shouldn't be in this test. It should be the TSi2. I'd love to see Thomas hit these at full speed. There are a bunch of players like me looking for forgiveness, but who are 105-110 SS
Just because someone doesn't hit it as good, or as far as Thomas, does not mean they should be fit into only the most "forgiving" models. I don't hit it that great or that far, but I have always been fit into the lower spin heads. My swing speed is only 103 to 106, but my miss is an over draw or even a little hook. I also carry too much spin. These problems are compounded by these heads. I just got fit into the titleist tsr3 with 60 gram 6.0 project x hzrdus black shaft. I love it. I don't love the feel of the shaft, but it works well. What are a couple similar profile shafts, but with some more feel?
I’ve played one round each with the rogue and stealth. I felt the stealth played a little longer and I really liked the ventus shaft. But I’m still gaming my Maverik fairway finder. I just didn’t want to shell out $500 this year.
@@amjr20061 why would the most forgiving driver at 100mph be different at 110mph??? The head shaft combo becomes more important at higher speeds...and that takes individual fitting.
The callaway is every bit as good or better than any of these other drivers. The loft could havd been adjusted a little and he obviously wasnt hitting the middle of the face with it either. Still even with sll that going againat it it was 3rd in carry distance.
They all could be tweaked but then the video would be much longer... This guide is to help narrow down however ppl will still be influenced by price and availability...
Two things. First while I realise why you were using the same shaft is it not the case that some shafts suit certain heads better than others? Second though I was using stealth I recently switched to the tsi1 which has given me much better results - carry distance, more optimal spin numbers, better launch and trajectory and reduced dispersion. Tsr1 not out yet and don’t expect it to be that much different to the tsi1 for such a player. Again different shafts in each to suit the heads more.
Is the second one a question or just for you to talk about yourself? Anyways, the shaft is build for the player, not the head. The shaft will create a consistent swing with the right bend profile. The head generates the numbers. If you had this guy swing 10 times with the TSR2 and 5 different shafts, I bet the numbers wouldn’t be that different and it would mostly come down to strike location consistency rather than shaft characteristics. You could put him in an AirSpeeder 45g and a Ventus black 7X and he would likely swing about the same with both and the launch/spin numbers would surprise you with how close they are
@@jazzyjay4595 noted. Yes consistency of strike point is obviously key - I raised the question because some fitters suggest that certain shafts suit certain heads better. Maybe it is due to variation in swingweight or at least that was my takeaway. But good to get a view. Thanks.
Seems like manufactures have the 460cc limit pretty much optimized. Except for the LTDX. Maybe it's the shaft, maybe Cobra has something different there. Very interesting. Please do a normal golfer test with ultralightweight shaft with extra head weight vs stock vs heavier shaft with a lighter head.
Surprised the Cleveland Launcher XL didn’t get a mention. Did you feel it wasn’t up to standard of the others. I liked it when I tested it and was thinking of buying.
Go try it if you can, I tried one alongside the rogue st max and there wasn’t much it in for me ( I average just under 100 mph club head) neither was notably different out of the middle than my 2018 rogue though so I haven’t changed as I’m pretty consistent it hitting the centre. If I was a bit more wayward I might have gone for the launcher due to the price
If the winner isn’t the G425 or the STX, this isn’t real. As a fitter that almost never fits solid players, those are the 2 drivers that consistently produce better quality shots and ball speeds, almost immediately after putting it in people’s hands
Interesting. What irons do you recommend for forgiveness and distance? I hit a 7 iron around 165, but it goes low and runs out 15 yards(little stopping power)...I was thinking Mizuno 225 but maybe that's not game improvement enough.
@@giomusah2155 Mizuno JPX Hot Metal 923 HL would be a good place to look. You’ll need some of that extra launch and spin. The 225’s tend to keep the ball pretty low. Srixon ZX5 are pretty forgiving and will definitely get you some more height. Those are the first 2 I would try out
@@giomusah2155 Go with G425 full set. I have their driver, 3w, 4H, 5-U iron. And 2 vokey sm8 wedges. Ping putter. Ping killed it. Very consistent, forgiveness is massive and the sounds to me is the cherry on top. Love ping sound!
When a driver is forgiving what is the trade-off? A smaller sweet spot? Also if you hit a non forgiving one off center what would the shot likely to be
Ok I have all type of drives ...and custom shop ..and the most forgiving driver to me tsr4...its something like if you compare IT should not be that way..its easy for a L.S
Seems you picked the drivers based on price. Only the most expensive need apply. Some good cheaper brands didn't make the cut. Guess they live on the wrong street 🤔
i had a Srixon ZX5 and it was one of the worst drivers i have ever had. Probably the shaft but it turned me off the brand. Ping, Tour edge, too noisey. Stealth and Mizuno look ok for me.
Gotta try Callaway. Between them and Titleist, they're about as good as it gets. I have the Mavrik, and I love how it sets up and how it sounds when struck.
Won a driver of my choice in a comp and this video is literally perfect. Once again, this channel delivers a extremely good helpful , informative video! Love it
This's the best drivers review I've seen so far. I also liked the review on Stealth Plus vs Rouge ST Max LS. Very informative. Thank you.
The only thing that has changed in drivers since the COR limits were put in place is how forgiving a driver is. Rocco Mediate said it best, he's a PGA pro and his driver needs to be in the 2500-2600 spin area to be playable. Everyone that goes and buys the new Cobra that gets 1900 spin and 65 -70 feet of height are soon to find out they simply have no control over it. A driver that carries 260 and finishes 300 in farmer john's corn field is no good to anyone. Who is in the finals of these driver brackets every year? Mizuno, Tour Edge, Ping....constantly. Look at this graph, Cobra at 1800 spin is all over the place and Tour Edge at 2500 is a small white circle. The phrase, "our newest hot driver" is probably the most misleading line ever attached to drivers by major golf companies.
Spin for most pro’s would be determined more by the shaft & ball theyre using less than the clubhead.
Unless, of course, you spin the crap out of it. Everyone has their own lane and that's why these guys do what they do to put us in it.
I was fitted for Mizuno STZ January 2022. After playing with it for season love it. I have 95-100mph club head speed and the distances Thomas was getting were spot on to what I get and I'm 55+. My last round of year in October was Buffalo Ridge in Branson and my Driver average total distance was 272 yards.
Been using the ZX5 but am changing to the TSR2, which arrives in January. Cannot wait to play it.
I tested them all and have to say the Cobra LTDx LS Was by far the most impressive
Recently bought the Mizuno STZ and really like it. With the price discount it's literally half the price of the Titleist.
I want to buy last years model with the price discount but unsure of what shaft to buy. What did you get and what is your club head speed?
@Matt Pitzer I bought it with the Project X Hzds smoke blue 60 shaft, which is one of the stock shafts. My swing speed is usually 90-95 and this shaft is meant for mid level swings. It also has a little lower spin and launch. So far I like it.
@@wks4511 is this a stiff shaft?
@@conalsands4748 yes
I have hit practically every one of these and I'm in agreement. the title is TSR2 was by far the best for me personally. stealth was a close second but the title is just looks beautiful to the eye. so if you're looking at a combination of performance anesthetical appeal, the titleist was an easy choice for me. then again I'm biased. I'm playing with titleist irons vokey wedges and a Scotty so another manufacturer was going to really have to woo me with numbers to get me to not purchase the titlelist and fortunately for me it didn't happen. My numbers were overwhelming with the TSR2 as the best performer
Great job 2nd swing, funny reading the comments and ppl wanting "their" swing for the comparison.
Im a lefty and just have to do my own "trial and error" testing. Currently have Cal BB B21 and TSi2....B21is the gamer..
Another great review boys 👍💪
Played G425 first half of the year, then switched to TSi2. Longer, not has forgiving but looks and sounds better..... then TsR came out and I was a little salty. I had no idea and would've waited.
I am kinda used to Taylormade for drivers but I'll try TSR2...thanks for video.
Curious why sound is such a prime concern. My Ping 425 Max has the most accuracy
It can be a little annoying and obnoxious. This is coming from someone who loves PING. I went from a G30 to a Mavrik, and the acoustic difference is huge.
Its a comparison guide so everything is considered. I think the Ping is ugly and although straight, it wasnt the best distance for me and I struggled to shape it.
We all know that our bags are personal....
Great video with the 100mph and 2* up swing. Thank you!
Great work, gents… Tomas, unrelated topic… Will you still be sharing your progress on Superspeed? You posted some great segments in the past on the topic. Thanks! 👍💪🙌💯
I love how politically they describe the sound of the Ping and the Tour Edge 🤣. I have the Rogue ST Max and it sounds amazing, but it sets up too closed. I'm unusual in that I've traditionally played Stealth +, M1, Epic SZ etc and went for the Rogue Max to get forgiveness. I'm thinking of getting the Rogue ST Max in 10.5 and lowering loft to open the face. The efficiency of the TSR 2 is impressive, but it shouldn't be in this test. It should be the TSi2. I'd love to see Thomas hit these at full speed. There are a bunch of players like me looking for forgiveness, but who are 105-110 SS
Just because someone doesn't hit it as good, or as far as Thomas, does not mean they should be fit into only the most "forgiving" models. I don't hit it that great or that far, but I have always been fit into the lower spin heads. My swing speed is only 103 to 106, but my miss is an over draw or even a little hook. I also carry too much spin. These problems are compounded by these heads. I just got fit into the titleist tsr3 with 60 gram 6.0 project x hzrdus black shaft. I love it. I don't love the feel of the shaft, but it works well. What are a couple similar profile shafts, but with some more feel?
I’ve played one round each with the rogue and stealth. I felt the stealth played a little longer and I really liked the ventus shaft. But I’m still gaming my Maverik fairway finder. I just didn’t want to shell out $500 this year.
That mavrick is a FW finder. Prices have come way down and n all of t here above though. More like $300 now the the newer ones.
Can you test forgiving drivers for fast swings as well?
If you got a fast swing then shaft and loft are your concerns. I would worry less about heads and more about delivery. Then fined a fitter.
@@jamesjackson4264 that’s not my concern. I just want to see the forgiveness and spin when with 110 swing speed.
@@amjr20061 why would the most forgiving driver at 100mph be different at 110mph???
The head shaft combo becomes more important at higher speeds...and that takes individual fitting.
Am I wrong in thinking that if you loft down the Rogue ST, you would get more out of that club? Decrease launch some and lower spin?
The callaway is every bit as good or better than any of these other drivers. The loft could havd been adjusted a little and he obviously wasnt hitting the middle of the face with it either. Still even with sll that going againat it it was 3rd in carry distance.
They all could be tweaked but then the video would be much longer...
This guide is to help narrow down however ppl will still be influenced by price and availability...
Two things. First while I realise why you were using the same shaft is it not the case that some shafts suit certain heads better than others? Second though I was using stealth I recently switched to the tsi1 which has given me much better results - carry distance, more optimal spin numbers, better launch and trajectory and reduced dispersion. Tsr1 not out yet and don’t expect it to be that much different to the tsi1 for such a player. Again different shafts in each to suit the heads more.
Is the second one a question or just for you to talk about yourself? Anyways, the shaft is build for the player, not the head. The shaft will create a consistent swing with the right bend profile. The head generates the numbers. If you had this guy swing 10 times with the TSR2 and 5 different shafts, I bet the numbers wouldn’t be that different and it would mostly come down to strike location consistency rather than shaft characteristics. You could put him in an AirSpeeder 45g and a Ventus black 7X and he would likely swing about the same with both and the launch/spin numbers would surprise you with how close they are
@@jazzyjay4595 noted. Yes consistency of strike point is obviously key - I raised the question because some fitters suggest that certain shafts suit certain heads better. Maybe it is due to variation in swingweight or at least that was my takeaway. But good to get a view. Thanks.
I game the Srixon but always find myself swinging the Ping when I’m at Roger Dunn.
Seems like manufactures have the 460cc limit pretty much optimized. Except for the LTDX. Maybe it's the shaft, maybe Cobra has something different there. Very interesting.
Please do a normal golfer test with ultralightweight shaft with extra head weight vs stock vs heavier shaft with a lighter head.
The shaft is the same on every club in this test. My guess is either the CNC milled face or just slightly low strikes
what shaft was used for these??
Surprised the Cleveland Launcher XL didn’t get a mention. Did you feel it wasn’t up to standard of the others. I liked it when I tested it and was thinking of buying.
Go try it if you can, I tried one alongside the rogue st max and there wasn’t much it in for me ( I average just under 100 mph club head) neither was notably different out of the middle than my 2018 rogue though so I haven’t changed as I’m pretty consistent it hitting the centre. If I was a bit more wayward I might have gone for the launcher due to the price
Wilson D9 missing too. Guess only the pretty rich girls get to play in this group.
If the winner isn’t the G425 or the STX, this isn’t real. As a fitter that almost never fits solid players, those are the 2 drivers that consistently produce better quality shots and ball speeds, almost immediately after putting it in people’s hands
Somewhat surprised on the STX. Agree with Ping call
Interesting. What irons do you recommend for forgiveness and distance? I hit a 7 iron around 165, but it goes low and runs out 15 yards(little stopping power)...I was thinking Mizuno 225 but maybe that's not game improvement enough.
@@jasongrant3681 not always the best speed off the face but the thing goes straight
@@giomusah2155 Mizuno JPX Hot Metal 923 HL would be a good place to look. You’ll need some of that extra launch and spin. The 225’s tend to keep the ball pretty low. Srixon ZX5 are pretty forgiving and will definitely get you some more height. Those are the first 2 I would try out
@@giomusah2155 Go with G425 full set. I have their driver, 3w, 4H, 5-U iron. And 2 vokey sm8 wedges. Ping putter. Ping killed it. Very consistent, forgiveness is massive and the sounds to me is the cherry on top. Love ping sound!
Great job
I got fitted for the Mizuno STx 220 . It’s so forgiving and nearly half price of the latest Titleist
What shaft do you have in it and what is your club head speed?
@@mattpitzer5566 Tensei blue 65 stiff . Not sure what my swing speed is . I’m 58 so can’t see it being fast
When a driver is forgiving what is the trade-off? A smaller sweet spot? Also if you hit a non forgiving one off center what would the shot likely to be
@@stephencarlisle3743must be fast if the shaft is stiff
How about a driver test for senior golfers who have slower swing speeds please?
That would be a different shaft test than driver head....and better to do your own testing..
Ok I have all type of drives ...and custom shop ..and the most forgiving driver to me tsr4...its something like if you compare IT should not be that way..its easy for a L.S
Seems you picked the drivers based on price. Only the most expensive need apply. Some good cheaper brands didn't make the cut. Guess they live on the wrong street 🤔
Got a tsi2 with hzrds smoke 6.0 , no need for tsr 2.
i had a Srixon ZX5 and it was one of the worst drivers i have ever had. Probably the shaft but it turned me off the brand. Ping, Tour edge, too noisey. Stealth and Mizuno look ok for me.
Gotta try Callaway. Between them and Titleist, they're about as good as it gets. I have the Mavrik, and I love how it sets up and how it sounds when struck.
2 year old model is the sweet spot in my opinion
Get the 2022 pxg brand new fir 199
i was at the range and one of the other golfers complained my driver is too loud. guess which one i have? ha ha ho ho ho merry xmas
A driving range Karen?! Come on...
PXG?
Don't think you can go wrong with any of these.