ROYAL ENFIELD CLASSIC 35O , TUNED OR STOCK??
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- 2 x 2022 classic reborn 350's.One with the Kent cam, DNA air filter, Fuel x lite, Full Hitchcock's exhaust system, the other one bog stock factory. Both bikes on standard gearing. A surprising result!
One of the best comparison videos I've ever seen on this UA-cam thingy. Thanks for that, I'll stick me cash back in the piggy bank and keep mine bog standard 👍
@stup1299 I am going to put the green one back to standard.
Best kept standard then!👍
@davidhawkins120 Absolutely!
😂🤣😂🤣Great stuff Mr Brown and your doppelganger! And the good lady cat too.
Very clever video.....👍
@petersheppard6085 Very amateurish!
Very enjoyable video.😂
Thanks for redirecting me, you may have saved me a lot of time, effort and money.
You had me chuckling away on that one.. Great film… 👍
@DickieMintCycles Glad to hear it!
Just recently started watching your channel. Late subscriber.😊
The issue encountered during the fitting of the camshaft. You found that the crank,hadn’t been locked up. (Sorry am no mechanic) thus it was a cog or two,out.
Steven lent the camshaft tools to Glyn Owen, for his project Classic 350. Glyn found that the crank locking tool would not fit, in to lock the crank. He had to work on the tool, to make it fit.
So when Steven has bike in at dealer to get cam fitted. Surely they would have found this out then, and should have gotten in touch with Steven, to say, that the crank tool, doesn’t fit into slot to lock the crank, in place.
You can go back and watch Glyn’s video, of him doing this.😊
Just putting 2 and 2 together.
Best regards….. Wee Mark.😊
@weemark67 Thanks for the sub! Yes, I am subbed to Glyn's channel. The problem was, as I said in the video, the the engine side casing had never been removed. So, the crank locking tool had never been used on this engine!
Thank you ! Your work is much appreciated.
@CrowsBrother
You are very welcome!
Brilliant! Great fun, and I think you showed that there is a difference, but . . . It comes down to whether the owner has the money to throw at a problem that isn't there. 👍
@stephencartwright5046 Exactly!
A damned clever video, very well done VB!
Well done,never seen a comparison video done like that before.
Great stuff and questions answered. Thanks. Good laugh too.
Thanks for your efforts VB ,an interesting video it dose seem that the cam makes a bit of difference at the top of the rev range, to be expected really ,👍
Very interesting and an excellent video, thanks for sharing.
That video was great,, very clever too, my clssic 350 does a perfect job for me, the sports bikes come zooming past me and i dont give a toss, the bike is such a pleasure to ride.keep up the good work Mr Brown .
@alanjones32 It would have been sort of clever if I knew what I was doing!
Great video thanks.
My 350 Classic is standard. Only difference is my mate’s has Hitchcock’s performance cam. Both v similar mileage and we’re roughly same weight. Both in 5th gear at 50 mph up a gradual incline, my mate 20yds behind me. Turned throttle to the stop simultaneously and he gradually pulled past me and away.
Tried it several times with exactly same result.
Apparently the benefit of the cam is at circa 4,000 rpm and above.
So I can only conclude that the cam does indeed seem to improve power delivery in certain circumstances.
Thanks again for your video👍🏍
Great stuff!
Bloody wonderful VB 👏🏻
@duncangallup9012 Thankyou!
That was funny. And useful. Looks like the mods are mainly money-to-noise converters
@32laurens There may be some truth in what you say!!
Oh Dear, Glad i stayed on the fence & left mine standard, Thanks .
Cheers
Baz
@bazxl57 I think you did the right thing!
Love the 350 classic 👍😉😀😁❤️🏁🏍️🛺🐑🇵🇭🏴
@gordonsuddery4635 They are a great little bike straight out of the crate!
Very clever mate. That was great. Good to see the dollar value for performance side by side. Watch out, you may have started a trend 😆
@iantownsend17 If I have started a trend perhaps someone could tell me how to do it properly!
Hey...... You got a twin Brother. 🤣😂😅
Very well produced Mr V.B👌
@ianwoollard9008 I think one of me is plenty enough!
That was a fun video! 👍
You’ll have to start rolling credits soon with all the cast members, Volcanic Brown, Doppelgänger, Kitty, Mod Bike, Stock Bike, cameo by Honda. 😂
For me, the modifications didn’t produce enough performance gains for the time & effort.
Plus, I really like the red & chrome.
@pinkiewerewolf Your comment made me laugh! I think the mods are a complete waste of time and money, myself!
Very clever indeed, settled once and for all I would say. I always keep my Enfield's pretty much standard just the odd exhaust here and there mainly for the weight saving or looks.
@lesterhall5310 Well said!
Brilliant video, VB. All that money and time spend for utility bike. Stock is rock
@Stefan_trekkie I was so impressed with it, I am going to take it all off!
Brilliant 😂...and despite what you previously said about the stock setup I thought modded one would take it.
@jamesbambury5031 I don't know why the modded one was faster on the flat but the same on a hill in a headwind!
Excellent idea and a brilliant video! A few more could do with following your lead.
@williamnethercott4364 I made a bit of a mess of it because I don't know how to do it properly!
@@Volcanicbrown1878 You're miles ahead of me!
@@williamnethercott4364 Maybe only an inch or two!
Excellent! I like the split screen idea. So, I am not sure if the mods would be worthwhile given that the bike is never going to be quick.
@GapBahnDirk I think the mods make so little difference to the bike over stock, they are not worth bothering with.
This was a lot of fun - a very engaging video. My wife and daughter especially love Pussycat from this and your other videos. I have some thoughts about the performance modifications. I think that most people who perform these modifications really just like to mess around with their bikes. I have to applaud that, since there seems to be a general apathy towards mechanical things these days. I own a Classic 350 that I love to mess around with, as well, but not with engine modifications because the performance as stock is completely correct. Still, I ponder buying a Hunter 350 and modifying it in such a manner as your Halcyon Green. That would seem to be completely appropriate, and fun. As an aside, I don't think you should return your Halcyon Green to stock condition. I mean, why??? You have another model that is stock, so why not continue to ride them both as they are and, perhaps, allow your opinion to evolve about stock v. modified. I would be very interested in that. In any case, your video was bloody great. Thank you!
I don't know how to do videos, bet it took a while editing this one, a great result. Surprised to see no difference, I'm convinced my interceptor goes better after replacing the exhaust and air filter but have a secret suspicion it just sounds faster.!
@aladinfox4098 5hrs filming and 12 hrs editing!
I have done the same on my 650 Interceptor, and like you, It sounds faster!
Very good video! now you have an assistant do we get an extra clip each week!, I bet you're glad it wasn't your money spent on those mods!😁
@patrickgreenman8248 Very glad!
This does prove a gain in the 0-60 0f -4 seconds approximately. The tuning does work, but not worth the investment in the flatlands. But in hilly areas, is where it’s worth doing, and of course, safer overtakes. In the final analysis it depends whether you want to tune the J platform engine, and want to spend the money doing it. Great video by the way, split screen isn’t easy!
@TheNorfolkThunderbolt Your telling me it's not easy to do split screen Stephen!
G’day VB, was that meet the twin, I can see the similarity now with the 350’s.. not sure about the other bloke though, couldn’t see the similarity.. very clever & seriously impressive comparison, standard is the go mate ..Still nice looking RE’s …cheers Phil 🇦🇺
@philcox8771 I do now think that standard is best.
more cam duration robs the low end and gives it to the upper rmp. Also a Dyno the peake is not the most important number on a street bike, you want a goid braud torque curve with goid low rpm numbers.
My last two tankfuls gave 107 & 104mpg, thats including motorway use, along with being enjoyable to ride. The only thing the bike lacks is a bit more grunt for the occasional overtake but its not a deal breaker and losing the economy would not make me happy!
@islaws4589 I agree with that!
Look at you with your fancy editing 😂great stuff VB l take it the modded bike will be reverted back to stock soon ? 👍
That's the plan!
It depends how hard you want to wind the throttle of an air-cooled, 2-valve 350 single. Apart from the odd blast to hear the exhaust note, my mechanical sympathies exceed any desire to thrash the little Enfield to the limit.
@borderlands6606 Just hard acceleration up to 60, Neither bike got anywhere near the rev limiter so got nowhere near the limits. The vid was about performance mods over a stock bike. Can't demonstrate Performance parts by poodling about! (I do not ride like that normally)
@@Volcanicbrown1878 Not a criticism, more a comment on how some riders expect the little single to perform. I'm actually pleased some people ride them flat out, because it shows it's not a fragile engine. I still think there are better bikes if people regularly want to hoon about, and I've no idea why they'd choose a 350 Classic to do it.
@@borderlands6606 I don't ride like shown in the video on the 350's, if I want to do that, i mount up the 750 Interceptor or even the 650 Inter! You don't have to try to make them go! I personally think the lil Enfield's are perfectly fine as they are, standard.
Well that was facinating Mr B ! Just goes to show how much hype there is about tuning mods on RE's, as you say dont bother just put the money in the fuel tank & enjoy what you have ! By the way do you have a figure for what Steve paid for all the parts & the cost of having them fiited ?
@gvinrad No, I don't but could work it out from Hitchcock's website.
Hi ya what about fuel consumption , now its set up right whats the difference
@markoevo It does use more fuel than a standard one for sure, but how much more, I haven' worked out yet.
On Hitchcocks dyno graph they say not to pay attention to the numbers themselves but the percent gained. Maybe 30% on a 15hp bike isn’t really that noticeable after all. I bet you’d know it going from 100 to 130hp. Everyone says it’s like night and day though, so who knows?
@elwood62 Jumping from one bike to the other, I cannot tell the difference between the two!
I think you need to double check your results . I wouldn't trust the other guy if I was you .
@dungspreader I personally wouldn't trust either of them, They look well dodgy!
Dyno should be the same one model only as there are many Dyno.Some measure from the crank some are in Nm some in Lbs/ft some at the wheels & some will say 4hp gain & another will same 5hp gain.
They don't allow for camber in-climb & weight which have a affect.Two bikes the same but one 10kg lighter will be quicker etc.Lot's of factors to consider.A 1-2hp & 4Nm gain & the weight loss with lighter pipe actually makes a big difference in the real world 🌎, people see 1-2hp 4Nm & think 🤔 that's bugger all but don't consider weight savings as well & rpm differences & if try it notice it straight away & are surprised.A 4-5hp gain with a Cam upgrade is alot especially on a smaller bike.
@ruahinesrider It's a shame the mod kit doesn't make hardly a jot of difference on the Enfield over a standard one.
You're not wrong. Remember we use to go by a term called brake horsepower. We measured that by bolting a giant brake disk to the back of an engine, revved it up an slammed on the brakes. Brake horsepower was how much energy it took to drag the engine the engine to a stop. Completely useless information for comparing anything but the same engine on the same dyno.
Real world 0 to 60s are much more useful an easier to understand. The problem is consistency. It's extremely hard as a rider to do everything exactly the same. So it's usually done lots of times an averaged.
Current drum dynos are trying to simulate actual acceleration. The drum is weighted to simulate the mass of what it's testing. The test is also ran without shifting. It's makes for a much more consistent, repeatable test. But it still has problems. The drum is always to heavy or to light so not directly comparable to real world tests. You also still can't compare between different dynos. What you can do is compare completely different engines.
I am sure we could build a better system but would it matter. No matter how good we build a system, the end result will give us a graph. What we have now is good enough for people that really understand how to read the graphs. Most people will never be good at that. They need something visual like this video. Or they need to feel it. You can't get around that. So perfecting a better graph maker is pointless.
It's also worth pointing out that these upgrades don't really create much more power, it just moves where in the engine rpm range the power is produced. While this test is valid for how you ride the bike, another rider may have better or worse results. The guy that keeps the engine in the lower part of the rpm range by shifting earlier will be faster on the factory bike. The guy using the top of the rpm range by shifting later, he is going to be faster on the modified bike. If that doesn't muddy the water on if someone should mod theirs, I don't know what would, lol.
@@RebelCowboysRVs All very valid points! I'm just a fella with a GoPro and a few bikes, so all I can do is what I did! If that makes any sense!
I can´t really have an opinion on this since the testing is no where near scientific. This test tells you exactly one thing: A person drives slightly different from time to time.....
Good effort tho! 👍
@RiderOftheNorth1968 Both bikes round to the stops , nothing different there! can't do better than that!
The final scene reminded me of Dave Allen’s answering machine gag for some reason… very clever 🫡
The first half only helps reinforce my conclusion that my Classic 350 is perfect as it is, straight out the box with none of this fettling malarkey 👍
@dennisbuckley I haven't seen that Dave Allen gag, I will go look for it! Yes I agree, I will be undoing all the mods and putting the bike back to standard.