Is Fabien Barthez the Most Underrated Goalkeeper Ever?
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- I don't hear many people talk about the greatness of 'The Divine Bald One' nowadays, but I reckon he's one of the best to ever stand in between the sticks.
He played for Marseille, Monaco and Manchester United in a glittering career which saw him play a big part in France winning the World Cup in 1998 and the European Championships in 2000.
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Another underated goalkeeper who inspired me to play in goal, Francesco Toldo. He was Barthez's opposite number in the Euro 2000 final and were the two best goalkeepers in the tournament.
Watched Barthez in France in 98. Man Utd in 2003, in Korea 2002, in Germany in 2006. I've stood next to him. He is no bigger than 5'10. What makes a great keeper is winning, and you win with consistency. He was known for his mistakes on big occasions, something ALL keepers do, but it doesn't take away he was consistently good which is backed by winning. Barthez WON everywhere he went. The crazy Colombian keeper, Higuita, may have been the first to come out of his goal with the ball and be eccentric, but Barthez revolutionized and inspired the modern day keeper and how they handle the ball and being aggressive. Add in all the technical parts of his game; communication and ball distribution which are hardly ever shown in videos. The man was an athletic beast. These attributes put him in the top 5 for me. Especially when you consider he played thru the transition and technological advancement of both the soccer ball and soccer boots, and the change in height and speed of the modern day soccer player.
1)Oliver Khan
2)Fabian Barthez
3)Gigi Buffon
4)Peter Schmichael
5)Tie: Van Der Sar / Iker Casillas
But I will say, Manuel Neuer may be the best ever to play the game when he retires. The "quiet" Oliver Khan...
He could jump, the only other keeper I ever saw jump as well was Dhimitri Karin, you do see some bigger keepers who don't like having to jump fixed to the goal line.
As a Frenchman who followed his whole career, I can tell you he was a brilliant goalkeeper for sure. Judging him on his English career is like judging Shevshenko on his Chelsea spell.
You can ask to Casillas, Buffon or Kahn he is obviously in the Top 20 of best goalkeeper ever. Unfortunately the new generation don’t know him because there are ignorant but yes he has been recognize as one of the best goalkeeper in the world and between 1998 - 2000 he has been awarded for it
That shorty was outed as a fraud and a clown during his time at Man Utd, and was the main reason why Utd crashed out of the Champions league during his reign of terror.
@@Coumerzz Yep Edwin was just much better
@@Coumerzzshorty? He is no giant but by far not short
@@thankyounothankyou9722 He was listed as 5 ' 11 but is in fact 5'8 barefoot soaking wet. That's manlet territory and for a goalie that is a midge!
@@Coumerzz Barthez just got old, He had a slump at one point in his career. Would you only judge Iker Casillas' performances in his last few seasons?
For me easily the greatest of all time. Forget the shaky moments in England, he was a born winner. First Champions League in 92 aged 20. To WCfinalist at the end of his career in 2006.
No player boasts a career to that level. Add in fact that he’s not 6:3 like most keepers. Won titles at OM, AS Monaco, Man Utd, France.
You don’t win all that by being average.
English press made him a target that meant that every goal was over analysed for hints of error. Even this video cites Ronaldo’s hat trick. Like Ronaldo’s not merely one of the best of all time.
Elite.
Barthez was elite.
Le Barthezade was certainly the most ENTERTAINING goalkeeper ever
Pascal Olmeta another talented french goalkeeper was more entertaining, crazy and funny
I completely agree: not the best, but my favourite. He was eccentric, unique, whatever you wanna call him. He made matches worth watching every single time.
If Barthez is forgotten or unknown to younger Utd fans it is because although he was top GK even at his best he wasn't in the same class as Schmeichel, Van der Sar or De Gea.
he was a lot better than de Gea
@@grobariza
Don't be silly now, at one time De Gea was considered the best GK in the world. Yeah, De Gea, has made some blunders but not nearly as many or as disastrous as Barthez. However there have been a number of seasons where De Gea was Utd's best player, winning and keeping them in matches where they were completely outplayed.
@@eddisonfoncette9103 also true
I used to think Schemeichel was great. if not the greatest. but now that I rewatched former games of his, I feel that he's not as good as many other modern goalies.
if i have to rank united's best goalies in the modern era, I would put it like this:
1. Van der Sar
2. Barthez
3. Schmeichel
4. de Gea
5. Howard
6. Romero.
To be honest, I want to put Romero higher than Howard and de Gea.
@@eddisonfoncette9103 Barthez won a World Cup and is definitely one of the best goalies of all time. And at 5’10 and was a smoker 😂 he was crazy man and sometimes you need that from a player, someone who’s willing to break someone without thinking twice.
i'm from of south of toulouse , i'm goalkeeper ( 1m76 ) mr barthez its a GOAT
Great video! Barthez is my all time favorite goalkeeper.
Thanks! Yeah he's mine too, I love him. Judging by some of the comments here we're in the minority lol
Me too
Brilliant work referencing that Haman save, that to this day is the best save I’ve seen.
I love Fabien ❤️ I would like to marry him ^_^ As a goalkeeper I always was amazed how his presentation and every save was very stylish. He moved and dived with high class and grace plus his reflex and grip in hands. I wish he could be young again and goalkepeer in the modern times : 3
Barthez once had hair? 😅 He was ahead of his time with flamboyant saves and ball skills at his feet
I didn't know that KANE from THE BROTHERHOOD OF N.O.D. was secretly ( or undercover) the most famous French goalkeeper in History.
Love it. My fave so far.
One of the most underrated keepers for sure, alongside his compatriots Lloris and Coupet.
Coupet, yes. Lloris was mediocre at best and like barthez, a clanger was only half a game away.
Barthez was special but he was also a lunatic lol
This guy was nuts! Defintely not a top top top top top keeper, but every goalie is allowed a moment of madness (Schmeichel / Neuer come straight to mind) but they get forgiven very very quickly
If i'd seen more of him I'd love to say Chilavert was underrated. The ice in the veins you must need to take FK's at that level and always get it over the wall but have a realistic chance of scoring.
Given the accolades though, Barthez is a great shout.
Barthez got old at United. But what a keeper. I remember him megging Robbie Keane.
I knew I would crack up at least once , the trying to fool the attacker he was offside was it hahahhaha
Fit enough for modern gk.
Foreign goalkeepers for British clubs were the best. Klos, Charbonier, Niemi for Rangers were the best for that team. Barthez and Schmichael for Man United and so on.
Barthez had a bad second season at United, but he was a great keeper. That inconsistency puts him behind Schmeichel and Van der Sar. To be honest I think he was the best with the ball at his feet that United ever had between the sticks and appreciate his willingness to rush for crosses, through balls ect. De Gea has the appearance and clean sheet records at United, he even has the save reflexes that make him head an shoulders above most keepers, but to me Barthez rounds out my top 3 United keepers since the 90s.
Wouldve been brilliant in the modern day with the enthasis on ball playing keepers
Bonkers is an understatement but definitely underrated player
Ask United fans and they’ll probably say “Brilliant but inconsistent”. You never know what Bahrtez would turn up
I loved Barthez for his skill as a keeper. Not his flamboyance (wich i think was arrogance, and it costed him dearly), not his skill with the ball (again, arrogance) or his bald head/head kisses with Blanc.
I remember his peak level where he was a monster! I remember his ability to command defenders, but mostly and sadly, i remember his mistakes
And that is why, i don't regard him as "one of the best".......but man i loved his top level!
He was pretty good ,
Bonker is about right. I remember seeing this bald (comparatively) short goalie flying out of his box, lashed at the ball, clattering into the center forward some 30-40 yards from goal and got it. I thought the same.
The thing is the people who converse about football these days are Brits or Premier-League-centered people. All these people are very biased towards Barthez achievements at/with ManU. He was not at his prime there; he was certainly declining. They also compare him to Schmeichel, who is one of the greatest. Barthez, in his prime, was brilliant, and he was so for a number of years, not just one season. One of the best ever, in a top 15 or even a top 10 without hesitation. He has done stuff on his line that Schmeichel could not do, IMO.
More great content sir 👍👏
Perfect job!
He was a nighmare for us. My blood pressure still hasnt regulated
It really annoys me when fans confidently claim Yashin as one of the greatest ever goalkeepers. Almost no one outside of the former USSR or under the age of 70 has actually seen him play 1 game - in person or on screen! Let alone enough of his career to form a solid judgement
There are a couple of 5 minutes compilations of him competently dealing with some routine shots/situations on youtube, and that's it. Compared to the likes of Buffon, Neuer and other greats from let's say the 80s/90s onwards etc whose entire careers are recorded, available to watch and remembered by a significant proportion of fans
I mean there's a chance he could have been one of the greatest, but really it's all just hearsay. He's a myth that football fans cite because they've heard some pretentious types eulogise about him and want to come across as knowledgeable
I would say it's like you said though I cannot count very many goalkeepers that have been six footer under that have been top 10 lol
Good shop stopper but too erratic. You always felt a mad cock up could happen at any time! Give me Van Der Saar or Schmeichal
Köpke was the best Goalkeeper ever,..really ever
A truly great player does not prompt so many uses of the phrase "typically erratic". I always thought he was shite.
Thanks
I think overall contribution he's definitely top 5 but the problem is with smaller goalkeepers when they lose a fraction of a second on their rushes or jumping they tend to struggle a little bit because they're already undersized to begin. Jose Reina was similar to Liverpool he adjusted later on to learn how to play a little smarter but when these smaller goalkeepers lose a little bit of athleticism that they've relied on they usually have a terrible couple of seasons trying to adjust 2 things a fraction of a second slower
Reina isn't small- he's 6ft2
@@thecontextual1one411 lmao he's not 6,2 that's like them claiming Rory McIlroy is 5,9. Reina was stocky but not that tall Gerrard was 5,11 or so and they're equal height standing side by side. Reina on a good day was 6 feet tall.
@@thecontextual1one411 go look at pictures of Reina next carrager and Gerrard both of where 5-10 or 5-11 he's level height for someone that should have about three to four in over someone.
@@dscwac396 height doesn’t mean jack shit in this sport. It’s all about hard work, passion, and talent. As a goalkeeper I hate hearing when people talk about height as a factor. It obviously helps but it isn’t everything.
@@CG-xx2er height definitely means a lot for a gk.. thats why you very rarely see a top gk under 180cm
Santiago Canizares was one of the sub 6 foot tall GKs you were thinking of right?
I think Jorge Campos was the one I had in mind when writing this!
Fabs was only 5 foot 10...wow
Next video please state measurements in metric also since most of the world dont use imperial units😊
I loved him as a character, 2 leagues in 3 years, and was impressive in patches at Utd - but f**k did he make us sweat when the mistakes started. To be fair though Onana has prob made more mistakes already and hes still playing 🙄
He also dated Linda Evangelista 😂
he was a great keeper that cant be denied, but he wasn't the best keeper in the world at any time when he was playing, and there have been a few before and after that i'd pick over him in a "timeless" best 11. He's not even the best man utd keeper i've seen. I'd have schmeical over him for a start.
Good goalie, but did some seriously dodgy stuff.
too many blunders at United! the Premier League is unforgivable. Rio Ferdinand said that Di Maria will always have the Man United fail on his resume and we can say the same about Barthez. was he good? yes! great career? of course! one of the best. is he in the GOAT debate? no. forget Neuer, Buffon, Cassilas! I would pick van der Sar ahead of him!
Bert trautman
International and champions league level keeper but for not top 10 of all time or even I've seen in Mt lifetime 35yrs. Buffon, Schmeichel, cassilas, kahn, cech, Allison, ederson, lloris, neuir, courtois all better for me and that was just of top of my head. There are a good few more I could name better than him. Not saying he wasn't a very good keeper just not at the mad heights your saying.
Yeah I respect that, I think the lack of consistency in his later years is what makes many have a low opinion of him. Personally I would put him above Alisson, Ederson and Lloris. As is said in the video, I reckon he was a bit of a trailblazer in terms of goalies playing with the ball at their feet, and a lot of modern keepers have been able to learn from some of the mistakes he made.
And, for 3/4 years I believe he was widely considered to be the best in the world, from the World Cup up until the end of his first season with Utd, where it all started to go down hill!
You said all those things and I still can’t believe you think this guy is one of the greatest no
I'll answer both your comments here. So I think a disproportionate amount of his howlers came towards the end of his career, which coincidently was shorter than might be expected for a keeper. They were also high profile as he was playing for Man Utd. I feel that this leads many to completely discounting and forgetting about the outstanding performances he put in at key moments for teams earlier in his career: The champions league final v Ac Milan, France 98 and Euro 2000, the 00/01 season for Utd. However, with that being said a lot of the reasons why I love Barthez and he is my favourite keeper, are emotional rather than Logical: memories of watching him play for France as a child, his larger than life personality and unique character, his fearless and flamboyant style on the pitch etc.
Top 20 at best. Fun to watch but never that reliable. And his time on peak form is way to short to be even considered top 10
I mean you have your own channel and you can make as much content as you like it’s your opinion and you’re free to put it out there as you like..but Fabian wasn’t that good dida and llores are the same made so many mistakes it’s laughable he’s not even a top20 goalkeeper
No 👍🏻
Do you also think he's overrated lol?
@@flashbackfootball1367 I do. He was France's undisputed number one with loads of caps and played for one of the biggest, most successful and most popular clubs in the world. He was rated very highly. But his mistakes and unreliable mentality made him a burden imo and I'd definitely describe him as overrated
I am real madrid fan and when I saw him in real madrid vs manchester united game at 2002/2003 I was shocked seeing his height....and he was so poor....In 2nd leg ronaldo scored Hattrick....A tall goalkeeper would have definitely saved 1st and 3rd goal of ronaldo...I think he is not the goat....kahn is definitely better than him....
Yes, as I say in my video, I don't think he is the goat and I don't expect anyone else to think he is. He is my personal favorite because he was unreal for France and I have a soft spot for such characters.
A taller goalkeeper isn’t saving those goals 😂 probably the dumbest take I’ve heard
Because you only saw him in his declining period, he just got old at some point. But in 90's, he was one of the best in the world.
No
Good goalkeeper but not the best 👌
He's not underrated. He was good for a short period of time but god did he concede a ton of goals outisde of the box due to his short size - 6 feet tall. He went to shit after his 2nd season at United where along with Brown and Silvestre formed the Chuckle brothers circus act.
'Short period' I see what you did there Mahone ;). In all seriousness, I would argue that he was great for longer than he was shit.
@@flashbackfootball1367 He was considered a top 10 keeper in the world for at least 3 years between 1999-2002. His first season at United was good but then the decline started. He started making howlers you just don't expect from a top keeper not to mention due to his short stature - he was one of the smallest keepers at top level football he conceded and astronomical amount of goals from distance. In one season at Utd he probably conceded at least 10 goals from 25 yards
@@mesicek7 it wasn’t because of height though 😂 that’s so dumb in my opinion. You’re saying Casillas could’ve saved some of the goals if he was taller is just nonsense. Casillas was only like an inch or 2 taller and I don’t hear people make those same arguments.
@@CG-xx2er It was cause of the height. Small keepers have problems with saving long shots - even Casillas had issues with them. Why do you think we don't see under 6 feet goalkeepers?
In a word, no.
He isn't a top five keeper for United.
Says who? Some nobody named Bill 😂
Underated maybe not...but most clown yes...one ot the worst SAF buying
As a Man Utd fan, I can safely say no, Barthez was not the most underrated because he was shit, an absolute joke.
In ManU, he was in his declining period, he got old, but in 90's he was one of the best in the world. The number one at some point.
@@tibsky1396 No, even at his prime, he was always a liability who would make far too many mistakes, he was never anywhere near the top level of keepers such as Yashin, Banks, Zoff, Shilton, Jennings etc.
Too short… thought he was an outfield player and the most overrated keeper ever… he even smoked cigarettes
He was dreadful
He was terrible for utd.
Only one French keeper is more overrated than Barthez. Lloris. Both are the luckiest keepers of all time. Underrated 😂
Overall, he was mid at best.
he s the most overrated. foh
No. He's not even in the top ten. His positional awareness was next to nothing. It's ironic because Hugo was the same when he came to Spurs. He was always so far off his line. He was coached hard to stop that.
One of the most overrated I'd say. Constantly giving away goals with silly delusional attempts at footwork
More like overrated 😅😂🤣😭💀
How can you be overrated if no one talks about you? You’re actually slow
@Drulou Back in those times, he was smdh. What are u 12?
Very good but nowhere near as good as you’re making out. There’s valid reasons why nobody puts him in an all time list
He was terrible
No.
You believe he is adequately rated?
Overrated.
@@warickhunt4147 Going to have to strongly disagree with that one mate.
His dumbarse caused Man Utd many trophies, and in retrospect, some of his saves looked good because he is a manlet with such a short wingspan, all his saves had to be exaggerated somewhat. That said I will never forget Didier Deschamps using his dome in ways that would make his wife jealous, very cute.