JUNGLE vs. DNB vs. BREAKCORE
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- You have been asking, so for the next installment on my favorite genre in the world, I thought I’d talk about how we got to where we are today - with a quick scenic tour of the early days of rave and hardcore. 🖤🖤
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"We can't accept Drum & Bass, we need Jungle, I'm afraid"
A man of culture who knows why I am here.
Amen brother ! Hail all Junglist !
When you miss your exit at Autechre Street and you have to walk all the way home from the Venetian Snares.
Better than getting stuck in Winnipeg
Winnipeg is a frozen shithole tbh
@@ldobehardcore Guys, don't worry, you can use my red hot car.
Breakcore has so much nostalgia to me because it was used in most ps2 games
"erm achrstually, thats abmient d and b, brankecore is venison sauce and apex legend or whatever they are called"
So informative ❤
since youre pretty much a genius on this, what type of dnb is tokyopill etherial, because im into breackcore and thats what i think it is
Glitchbreak or chill breakcore, Tkyopill is very multigenre tbh
Atmospheric DnB
I too enjoy stringing words together into unintelligible sentences
15 yr old Anime pfps listening to a video with a sad anime girl (usually Lain) as the thumbnail.
The track: a random song containing female vocals some one found and pitched up, hoped it would be obscure enough and DnB prime loops breaks fed through gross beat in FL Studio put over the top at 160 BPM, named: cvmw33b - I want to kill myself because my dad told me to take a shower.
"I love breakcore."
Chose the worst examples for all of them.
Breakcore sounds like rubbish compared to jungle and dnb.
I like the drastic change from sewerslvt being the "breakcore"
Edit: Please do not mistake my comment in a "ooh sewerslvt is breakcore" type of way. There is a reason why I typed it "breakcore". Because sewer isn't one to begin with
Minutes algo i discovered her and now i am listening goreship - fine night
She's is the most famous i belive
@@ruanmorais5288 the issue with that is that sewerslvt doesn't make much, if any (haven't looked at their full catalogue), breakcore
All of these sound like jungle to me, but the last one definitely is NOT breakcore
sewerslvt is a dude and if you don’t think u-ziq is breakcore you need to delight yourself with Venetian snares and shitmat
one thing for sure is that the breakbeats were what united all of us ♥️
Amen brother
Amen! 🙌
For real. It was probably just a name for something new that needed a name, but breakbeat was in my optics the last time genre names meant something. Maybe in some metal genres they still have that, but break beat was definitely "something"! We could request some breakbeat with the dj or radio dj and they knew, they knew what we were on about. But it was a short while, very short. The gerne expanded and exploded. For good. And for good! But still, there was a time where it was that new thing. That needed a name!
Just as a friendly critique: could be mentioned that breackore was also about being as crazy and brutal as possible in 2000s (thanks to producers like Rotator, Bong-Ra, FFF, Stazma and a lot more)
AKA Cringecore.
@@ForgedEggsit is subgenre of the metalcore
I actually love the direction 'breakcore' is going. The breakcore artists in the 2000s like Ebola and Sh**mat were a bit much for me and I had to take breaks in between listens, lol. Kid606 was the closest to achieving the breakcore that I was looking for, but I'm pretty picky, and like my breakcore to sit somewhere between ragga, jungle, and ambient dnb when I could find that. And we pretty much have that, except instead of the ragga we have anime lol. Somehow they have also settled on a wall of distortion that sits in the background with the ambient drones and it goes really well with the style.
venetian snares. nuff said
@@procerus3654 Decided to leave out since almost everyone knows him anyway
Breakcore is what my earliest work from around 20 years ago focused on. But I have been recently getting back into writing this and breakbeat IDM / Drill and bass type stuff. A bit surprised Venetian Snares wasn't your breakcore reference. His song Hand Throw, is one of my favorites. Its pure insanity. U-ZIQ is a serious bad ass though. His album Lunatic Harness is an essential classic
all of the choclate wheelchair album is soi good
@@peglord I’m on the chocolate wheelchair album kick right now and I can’t stop listening to it
I still didn't quite understand the way you tried to distinguish jungle and drum and bass.
I simply say that jungle has more of a calm vibe, and earlier it had many soul, reggae and hip hop influences, then DNB is much more "futuristic", it has more synthesized drum breaks and has powerful bass lines (as the name suggets duh) i don't know, no one really knows the exact difference
I think an easy to distinguish is just how complex the drum patterns are. Jungle seems to way more emphasis on crazy drum loops where as dnb is usually more moody and focuses on the bass way more.
jungle has intricate chops at a somewhat moderate tempo, while DNB has only a consistent drum loops with little break splicing, while also focusing on the atmosphere, tone, and bass.
@@NewtinedThx for that explanation. Now it makes more sense.
Jungle is distinguished by the tribal beats...which is why i laughed that the "this is D n b" example was clearly jungle...LOL...but whatever...im not gonna be a dick about it
DnB is more focused on the melody, not the breakbeats. And ordinary DnB songs have a drum pattern that is easy to recognize
Glazers getting into fights over whether an artist makes DnB or breakcore while the artist itself doesn’t give a shit about it
Breakcore is great when you don’t have a loser in your ear telling you it isn’t actually breakcore because the bpm is one number off from some arbitrary range
Tell us about Aphex Twin. That'll be fun.
Breakbeat hardcore + some jungle on the side is still the goat
Pretty sure Breakcore existed in the 2000s and it was very much called Breakcore.
Best music recommendation channel even after the sin of mentioning sewerslvt alongside the genre of breakcore
Haha, I know. I did that to pander, not to platform. The Gen z kiddies on tiktok for years have been commenting “sewerslvt!!” any time I dip into dnb :)
@@ChrisMichael Jokes aside it's an understandable move
Shit like this is why I don't seek out new music anymore
@@JM-ms5trhe was just messing around. plus, even if he wasnt, its easy to separate music from its fans.
exploring new music is a absolute trip for me, because i get to see (...listen) how far and wide it can be
I'm so glad I was introduced to the wonderful genre/subgenre that is DnB... I've even been inspired to start making and uploading my own DnB!
Same bro, idk how to get started with mixing and stuff tho
Using Sewerslvt as an example for Breakcore is just so wrong....
anyhow, you are confusing IDM with Breakcore...
Quote: "What is Breakcore? Breakcore is the "bastard hate child" of jungle, happy hardcore, gabba, speedcore, drum 'n' bass, techno, IDM, acid, ragga, electro, dub, country, industrial, noise, grindcore, classical music, hardcore, metal and punk."
And Sewerslvt is just plain boring...
Breakcore today doesn't sound anything like it was in the 2000's, and needs its own new classification ngl. Would dare call it "J-Core". All of the producers nowadays are using samples or sounds composed by a japanese person or from an anime. It is prevalent in what I would say to be the majority of new breakcore releases, and the most popular breakcore artists all have that in common which I find to be somewhat neat.
if sewerslvt is breakcore
then merzbow is jazz
Wont accept the first Sully track as dnb to me its jungle
You used a jungle track for your breakbeat hardcore reference. A jungle track for your jungle reference. A jungle track for your dnb reference and used a breakcore for your breakcore reference. A classic actual breakbeat hardcore track is “Awesome 3 - don’t go. And a classic dnb track would be Ram Trilogy - Human Future
Nah the breakbeat hardcore example was breakbeat hardcore. Dnb example was wrong though. He didnt use a breakcore song for his breakcore however. Sewerslvt - mr kill myself was Atmospheric Dnb.
Must admit ps2 games had some very good breakbeat songs
Im fucking sick of people nowadays making dnb tracks and calling them breakcore
This feels like a very American interpretation of what Jungle was.
Jungle leaned heavily on old Ragga/ Dancehall samples from Jamaican music.
aaaaaaaa severslvt
Let’s be honest everyone, all three of these genres are fucking awesome.
i got to breakercore from getting bored of lofi and wanting something closer to progressive jazz/metal while keeping the distortion, atmosphere and unconventional tempos and song progressions that force me to think about music in a more open minded state
Sewerslut was bad then rest were alright.
Squarepusher's exquisite Port Rhombus and µ-Ziq in one video?!? Stop spoiling me!!!
Finally someone who actually knows their shit lol seen so many videos where people have no idea what they’re talking about 🤣
really loved that you included "torn" as an example of jungle. i love that track a lot!
Torn by who?
@@misanthrope5063 Omni Trio
@@laienmalowa4371 damn I didn't know about that track but I knew about Omni trio. Thanks for replying so fast.
@@misanthrope5063 yeah, no problem!
Of course the video explaining the differences between dnb and jungle looks like this
😁 Thank You
30 years later, I'm still Jungle, D'n'B fan ✌️
Sewersvlt is jungle tho
Someone finally managed to sum everything into a concise 2 min video
breakcore is a direct derivative from breakbeat hardcore. term was made by alec empire in early 90s.
"meme genre" 😂 good video but you could've used a much better example for breakcore, this hardly distinguishes it from jungle
There are lots of very good documentaries on UA-cam explaining the historical origin of each style, and the connections between them.
A good starting point is "Jungle Fever - BBC 2 Documentary 1994 - Jungle Drum & Bass Documentary"
To me, personally, DnB is the gateway, the most similar to any other "normal" song. It has the melody and probably some vocals; the drums are a big part, but they don't make the song on their own. Whereas in Jungle, the drums ARE the melody. There is some other stuff going on, but they're not the main thing.
Breakcore is like either, but faster and on drugs. At least the recent zoomer breakcore. I still enjoy it, though.
Thank you so much for this- am looking to do some cross-genre exploration and this was really helpful :)
This was a good video. If you think the Jungle/DnB distinction is hard, wait until you get into the difference between "dubstep" and "brostep." I think the sound change is obvious, but because the newer "brostep" style has become so popular, NO ONE wants to admit "pure UK dubstep" is its own style or at least worthy of a subgenre. People just say stupid stuff like "idk bro 140bpm half time. Same to me cuz I'm deaf."
sewerslvt was the worst thing to happen to the breakbeat community
Yeah coming in on the post Y2K pnw PDX s.o. rave scene... Obvious things happen everywhere always but sufficient to say speaking from 1st perspective...
If there were three rooms at a party... Chill (ambi dt) main (tech house trance... HC) and then the like opposite of chill (dnb, jungle... industrial... Later drill glitch idm)
Man I really wish this wasn't so spotty in my memories... Not the x I swear... Really...
But yeah I remember the rise of 2 step garage (uk vinyl imported proto dubstep) during the cool school PDX scene like 03
I took about 5 years out of the scene and remember the first time someone asked me about dub step....a very vuja de de javu mix mash of a sensation...
Then life began (and ended) and I've been writing from silent corners of the backside of the stairwell basically ever since...
Spiral 4 Space
Seriously I'm like the straight James St James (not that anything would be lesser or problematic if I wasnt... simply stating that in the whole dance club rave scene... the trend factor token value of a like semi blue color dude from Mayberry and well sheik scenster valley boy flames... Is not equal to one or really any euclidean rationale but the whole thing anyways simply stating I've never been the easy route... and silent stalwart workhorse would be a closer approximation... irony is James st James types were usually really close friends above all the nonsense during the window of show time costumes glitz and stuff...
Anywhoo what a nice little jaunt down memory lane to nostalgiaville.
Thank you uploader have fun ttyl
Thanks Pendulum from presenting me DnB, always my fav. music genre ❤
I totally agree with Breakcore.
Being very honest, it sounds more like a piece of attraction then a GENRE STYLE were people would listen to daily, and through daily activities.
Their music simply... don't quite fit in the mood.
This is only partly correct:
- DnB revolves around a 2 step-pattern.
- Jungle is all about having a lot of different and unusual drum rhythms in the track. Also Jungle uses way more drumbreaks.
I love this video. It's funny and it's real! I watched it 3 times. Imma go watch it again.
I miss breakbeat - real break beat, back when it was really just a name for something new in the midtones that needed a name. And I miss jungle, and I miss when it was a thing in itself. It really lived, there was whole parties only playing jungle. I miss jungle significantly because I also quite like DnB, but really primarily for the reason that it reminds me of jungle! But in all honesty, I can't keep up anymore. So I throw down and just keep parting. Anyone reading this comment, plz send some awesome jungle my way, oldskool nuskool, my ports are unblocked, just turn me on!
i fucking love midwinter log. so beautiful yet so chaotic. perfect closer for lunayic harness
you had me upset at sewerslvt for breakcore, but pulling out squarepusher AND µ-ziq redeemed yourself
Haha, thanks. I threw sewerslvt in there to appease the tiktok kiddies wanting breakcore representation, but my heart will always be squarepusher and µ-ziq :)
and u-ziq is drill n bass lmao
@@thegoofycoil id argue a couple his tracks nestle somewhere into breakcore
@@taggerung_ yeah true
I’d never refer to Squarepusher as breakcore, but he absolutely helped define what became breakcore so… yeah. I guess.
Isn't hardcore more in the hardstyle / gabber direction? Or do we distinguish between different hardcores? :-)
I love all this stuff man, it's so good. I mostly listen to stuff like sewerslvt, but also a LOT of rory in early 20s, whos got some seriously killer breaks.
I NEED THAT JUNGLE WENDY’S SHIRT OMFG
thats considered glitch break by people that listen to actual breakcore
funny that the dnb example you used is closer to jungle than dnb.
sewerslvt isnt breakcore its atmospheric jungle.
Sewerslvt as vreakcore well why the fook not :D
I don't think I saw the word liquid once in that entire video 😐
Try again
amen break has become like a fetish nowadays !!! way better than feet for example xdxd
FEEL THE GLITCH!
Drill and bass developed separate the original breakcore scene
My hair all stand up when he suddenly change to mr kms
I can't accept drum n' bass. We need jungle I'm afraid
Fun fact, there was no dnb in this video
I’m more confused now than before 😂
one you forgot to mention which is a more jungle-esque genre of jungle is "intelligent drum n bass", a more calm, spacey sounding version of drum n bass/jungle which was popularized by video games like street fighter: 3rd strike or games alike, it was very popular in videogames in the 90s and 00's
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why is he mouthing everything lol
I am none the wiser.
So breakcore isn't real???
This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks
nice video
i enjoyed watching it, as i am a big fan of everything that's related to drum and bass
That first track is pretty pure jungle
I'm more confused now
Heavy disagree on your description of breakcore. You're describing drill n bass, which I also disagree is a synonym for breakcore. A lot of people use those terms interchangeably, but that's just a mistake due to the surface similarities between the two genres (namely the highly complex, chaotic breakbeats, as you can no doubt guess).
Breakcore requires at least some sort of hardcore techno element, like the heavy distorted kicks, in order to qualify as such. It's literally "break-core", "hardcore + breaks". It can be IDM-ish, but it can also be silly over-the-top heavy dance music with a more regular rithmic pulse.
Meanwhile drill n bass is, as you said, literally just the IDM version of drum n bass and/or jungle.
Lots of music obviously combines the two styles and qualifies as both, as is usually the case with similar genres, but they're by no means the exact same thing
Totally agree. For the sake of a 90-second video for the new generation of internet kiddies calling everything breakcore... I rounded up
@@ChrisMichael Fair enough mate, lmao. I don't usually bother correcting people, either
0:26 Nombre de la musica
Kiljoy is massive
Audio jungle
Mu zik
if jungle came first then I would Summerize like this...drum and bass is a sub genre of jungle and jungle is a subgenre of electronic music? 41 yrs old and been into electronic music of all kinds of genres since mid 90's (as a young mid-level teen 😂). as far as U-zic ....is that even what you said..... that reminds me so much of a particular pioneer of sorts from back in the day.... the one and only Aphex twin. I fell deep in love with his vibe back in early early 2000. that kind of ALL over the place breaks and as you say glitches
Drum and bass is a modernized version of jungle.
Mu ziq and aphex twin go way back and even released an album together called 'Mick and rich'. Total contemporaries. 😊
Whats the last song?
See,... easy... /satire
Olive juice
OH HEY 👋 HELL NAW
Squarepusher.
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Quite a bit of the stuff you called dnb I would say is jungle. Dnb generally has a more standardised beat
El ciego: ¿?
Brain Rot
What is the first tune called
Sully - Verité
Nice video.
😂
Breakcore is just a bastardization, the beats are just not coherent
that's the point
@@Or4ANGEpm of what? I don't see him make fun of it
To me JUNGLE derives from breaks (I.e. sped up chopped amen loop, I.e Ghost Snares and shakers) . DrumNBass is more fast 909 drum kit (boom, Kat.boom Kat) … Then however the Bass & other layers are thrown in , makes it whatever other sub DnB genres there are. 🤔
i wouldnt call breakcore close to becoming a meme genre, there are plenty of innovators that i myself have been able to talk to firsthand, and the community is definitely growing in a much more forward thinking way than the 2019-2021 sewerslvt clone days, if you would like for me to elaborate, I can :)
Nice Video! but What's IDM?
I made a video about just that a little while back!
@@ChrisMichael i found it xd
@@ChrisMichael Also, what do you mean when you say
"DNB is all about the meat and Jungle is all about the bones"?
okay but what about the whole 90s Berlin breakcore/digital hardcore stuff?
I WISH ALL GENRE LESSONS ARE LIKE THIS