I‘d say Codsworth would be chaotic good character. He has the best of intentions but still flames people alive and rebells against his own programming from time to time
Also when we first meet Ada she‘s a robot filled with most rage her programming would allow her to feel with plans to enact revenge and is absolutely internally pissed when we don’t kill the mechanist she also doesn’t give a shit if we absolutely eradicate the half of the commonwealth you cannot be sayin‘ she‘s on the same level as curie
@@tnagels I don’t think wanting revenge is inherently bad, and I remember how happy she was when I showed her how good the world is. I’m keeping it!!!!
@@T.J.Marcusstrong follows the principles of super mutants. The super mutants don't own things and share with there brother's. They have a hierarchy based on strength and respect each other as long as they follow the principles. You can see super mutants as Kommunist raiders
I feel like perhaps Piper should lean more towards the Chaotic side of the chart: there's a strong anti-authoritarian streak to her character, to the point where Diamond City Security have nicknamed the lockup "The Piper Suite". She also *really* likes it when you lockpick your way into places you're not supposed to be. She's more Robin Hood than Batman.
While we're all impatient sociopaths in games and hate Preston for being himself, if we lived in the wasteland Preston would be the friend we all want to have. He is the perfect lawful good character who avoids the trappings of lawful stupid, he would guide others in the direction of good just by being a positive presence. 100% this man is a treasure.
Don't worry, I won't change Preston Garvey's position. What does need to change is the precarious position of a nearby settlement that's in trouble. I'll mark it on your map.
Fun fact, in my first playthrough I helped so many settlements that I broke him, he no longer asks me to help settlements on that save. I have to listen to that god awful radio freedom to get radiant settlement quests. In numbers, my pip-boy said I had done 59 minutemen quests when he stopped, which annoyed me cause I wanted an even 60 😂
@@T.J.Marcus strong talks about making super mutants stronger and that super mutants share everything that super mutants are all brothers. I would have put him in Lawful Evil.
I'd argue putting Hancock in Lawful Neutral or even Chaotic Good because he likes it when you help people as well as stealing from/hurting bad/corrupt people, meaning he does have good morals
@@wolfmantheimpaler the random stabbing when I first met him made me question his morals just a little bit. But I thought he’s certainly a good guy that is willing to make some tough decisions for the sake of Goodneighbor.
@@T.J.Marcus Not really random. He saw a man threatening a visitor, he decided to tell him what he thinks about causing trouble to strangers. It's just his thoughts on that involve stabbing the troublemaker.
The rest of the conversations you have with Hancock put him as chaotic good in my book. He tries his best to do good, but it doesn't always work out like he plans. I figured the stabing was a last straw kind of thing. But I'm very biased. Hancock is my go-to romance.
@@T.J.Marcusthe stabbin seems random at first, but when you look into it, it really isn’t. finn seems to have a history of extortion, especially those new to goodneighbour. he also threatens hancock in some sorta way, sayin that if he lets newcomers “walk all over him”, he won’t be mayor for much longer.
Piper is chaotic good. Piper has this tendency to shot first ask questions later. She has gotten me in so many gun fights trying to sneak pass an enemy I just didn't want to deal with and then comes in ole Pipper with guns a-blazing!
@@topperman4541 I haven’t found a companion yet that doesn’t blow my cover the second we see enemies. My institute stealth character doesn’t use a companion for a reason haah
Her stories are also written in a very provocative way. Like she is trying to get a fight going. Yes she wants people to wake-up about the Institute, but she fans the flames of paranoia instead of trying to find a solution. I would move her to chaotic good.
I like how you mention in the video that the deeper you dig into a character, the more you can argue for them being almost anywhere on the alignment. My D&D group and I have argued over Hancock a lot. Arguments have been made for him to be aligned as chaotic good, lawful good, chaotic neutral, and lawful evil. I can see an argument for all of them except lawful evil personally. He does have governing moral principles as simple/few as they may be. But he also expresses that he prefers to follow his gut and act on impulse. And he values freedom of choice in life.
@@Nick-zp3ub also McCready HATES it when the player is killing some innocen people. and he is a loving father but afraid to be near his sick son thanks to his past
Sounds like he is a survivalist not evil. I always saw MacCready as True Neutral because he seen many people die and knows death is there all around him. Life in Fallout is a live or die. He knows this, he lives this. He shall help if it helps him, it doesnt matter if other is good or bad. He is there to survive. But what really makes him true neutral, he only kills if he is required to do such. He isnt going to kill anyone unless they force his hand. Only a true neutral would react like this.
Just to add to Nick, while he currently does things for cash, he tells you about when he first started he didn't even think to ask for payment, he was just happy to be treated like a person. He has no preferred faction coz at the end of the day, Nick stands for the people.
Yeah, I am realizing I might have based her alignment on how I lead her (which was good neutral). There were definitely other paths for her so I agree she is neutral but she could have been all 3 neutral spaces.
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS He likes all displays of strength, and sees stealing as cowardice. I still see him as chaotic evil but that is so subjective to my view of who is good and bad.
I'd say Hancock does have better morals than some of the other Chaotic companions, one of his voice lines being "We help those who need help, and hurt those who need to be hurt." Loose definition, but he definitely prefers to be helpful to those deserving of it. Those who don't deal in shady businesses.
Danse and X6-88 are definitely lawful. Where they go on the good/evil axis depends on what you think of the Brotherhood and Institute respectively; if you hate the Brotherhood more than you hate the Institute I can see a case for switching their positions.
The Brotherhood of Steel is evil no matter how much people try to give them credit. They are manipulative with well-controlled propaganda to avoid people realizing that they only want to plunder and keep technology for themselves. If on the surface, they say they want to prevent people from doing bad things with technology and that this is their main goal, in reality, they infantilize the population by looking down on them and do not hesitate to raze your city if you have technology that they want to seize. They just hide behind pretty speeches and a rigor that makes the rest of the population look like uneducated barbarians but their actions are not so far from simple plunderers. And I'm not even talking about the xenophobia deeply rooted in their doctrine. The BOT is a cult that just has big means. As for the institute, in reality, it is very much the same thing except that instead of a military rigor that gives them a false aura of heroism, they just emanate an exacerbated pragmatism (like Skynet from Terminator) and a fierce hatred of the living and the biological (their own xenophobia). There is therefore no good or even neutral in their existence or actions because they systematically and without notice eliminate anyone who does not agree with them. In the game, Dance only speaks to you because he saw that you were not doing as well as the illiterate local bumpkin against the ghouls and that you do not have a ghoul face either. We must not forget that we play a rather senior military officer in the game (he has to make an important speech and it is not the basic soldier who does that) with all his very white teeth and Dance just noticed it. His injured teammate who only talks badly to you is much more representative of how the BOT really perceives the rest of the population.
When you said Ada not knowing about the commonwealth is wrong and should not be included with curie because, yes curie hasn’t seen the commonwealth so it would make sense that she needs to embark with you but Ada has seen the commonwealth because she was in a caravan that travels throughout the commonwealth and has probably defended her self from raiders robots etc so she would know what it is like.
I understand why you would consider Strong to be Chaotic Evil but I think he fits more for Neutral Evil, he has some rules of his own, they're just super mutant rules, which are mostly might makes right and stealing bad, sharing good. So basically a communist barbarian, which true Americans like Sergeant RL3 would find detestable! Everything else, though, I think your choice in placement checks out. Maybe Dogmeat could be lawful Neutral like Danse, since you (the Sole Survivor) are basically Dogmeat's BOS, whatever Dogmeat does is in service to you, and all the ends justify the means. I'm indirectly saying Danse (And by extension X6-88) is a dog for whom he serves.
X6 is one of the most interesting companions in the Fallout series as a whole, the absolute reverence for his creators and disregard for his own life makes him probably the saddest follower even compared to Lily from Jacobstown. Danse is both the opposite and mirror image of X6, both are extremely loyal to their respective faction's with the former going so far as to be hostile to you if you destroy the Prydwen after Blind Betrayal, I think Danse could be reasonably placed anywhere on the Lawful side depending on how you see him and the Brotherhood as a whole.
He reminds me a bit of Weyoun from Star Trek DS9, being a tool/slave with absolute loyalty to creators who consider him disposable/worthless. A tragic and interesting character trope that is almost never explored beyond the surface.
I’d have strong as chaotic neutral. He has no malice in his actions and evil intentional. Is a lion evil for eating a gazelle? Or for killing a lion challenging him?
I can see that. Since she's experiencing so much of the world, I saw her as very open minded about things. She did have her own set of principles, though.
Like you said, Cait doesn't like it if you sell little Billy into slavery, but she likes it if you tell him that his parents are probably dead. When you do, Cait basically tells Billy to get used to life's disappointments.
Hancock is difficult, he's chaotic, but he's lawful in his chaos. A lack of principles IS his principle, and he will fight for his ideals while his ideals are the lack of ideals.
Only thing I would really change is that I'd say that Hancock is probably True Neutral, having some guiding principles he needed to establish, to really become a mayor of Goodneighbour
I’d say strong isn’t exactly evil, he likes it when you help settlements, and he doesn’t like raiders or slavery because they harm human society, his principles are different than ours, and they come across as chaotic at least to us, but he’s not ruthlessly evil like the other super mutants
Id hardly call the bos or Maxwell evil, neutral at worst. The only one from the bos id call evil would be father Elijah, tho I'm biased since he's my least favorite character in the franchise besides Lucy.
@@T.J.MarcusI'd go lawful evil for both, mostly because Max isn't willing to give people who have shown they ARE PEOPLE a chance. He had the chillest, nicest BoS leader save his life and went kind of crazy with the power at such a young age. He's not the SAME level of evil, but he's nowhere near good
I did something like this in the fallout 4 subreddit, X6-88 was lawful evil on mine too but a lot of people were arguing about him being neutral evil, hadnt really thought about ADA being neutral good, i put her in true neutral as she's indifferent to the player's actions, good and bad, like dogmeat, but yours is better considering that she does have that set of morals i hadnt taken into account
I've always figured this morality grid needs a 4th column and line for the 'paradoxical'. The characters that are so fleshed out and sometimes even twisted in the ways in how they are, that it's almost impossible to place them in any of the original 9 squares properly. Hancock might be the best example of this with FO4, because even though he may seem chaotic, the fact he understands that some rules have to exist makes him also kind of lawful. His shtick isn't so much a lack of principle, but rather having a different set of them from what our society looking at this black mirror would judge him under. His whole thing is "Do as you will, so long as you are NOT doing things that harm others... but if you do, harm will come to you." sort of deal. To the sort of people who cannot live without someone else giving them laws to follow, his sort seems very unprincipled. Lawless even in some cases. But they perhaps have the most sane reasoning around the most important tenet of why our laws come to exist in the first place. Freedom. Laws are all about the expression, protection of, and sometimes even restriction of freedom in some form or another. He just wants the most free version of society, which he understands means that there still must be some ground rules to follow for those who like I said earlier, just cannot live without laws. So, if a 4th column and row were to be named the paradoxical, his square would probably be the one labelled as Lawful Chaotic 'good', where the squares all in total would read some combination of lawful and chaotic in the order of hierachry for their personality, and then good or evil or neutral where it applies. The neutral one would sit in the far corner being the most odd ball of them all. So Lawful Chaotic Good, Chaotic Lawful Good, Lawful Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Lawful Evil, Lawful Chaotic Evil. That goes from the top right, down to the corner, to the bottom left, to keep it roughly in line with how the 'good and evil' sections run. Why no Chaotic Lawful Neutral? It's effectively the same square. Being neutral would mean that these two are basically balanced out in such a way that it's hard to tell if they are good or evil, and so the default of lawful takes over since they are lawful to some degree even if not by much. Kind of like Hancock again, but ultimately he hates tyranny which makes him good compared to one who wouldn't care, making them neutral. One last thing. Hancock might not care if you hurt raiders, but that's because raiders hurt others. They bring tyranny upon others, so he doesn't mind them getting their own medicine. I figured this might get brought up, so I'm handling it ahead of time.
Curie is Lawful Good, perhaps even more so than Preston. She has a strict moral code and hates violence (you will frequently hear her say so in combat, even when fighting objectively bad people like Raiders). She also dislikes it when you are being rude in dialogue, similar to Codsworth. As a medical robot, we can assume she was programmed with something like the Hippocratic Oath at the core of her value system. While she is consistently curious and passionate about science, she also opposes people using science to harm others, even if they are doing so for a nominally noble goal. (Like the intended purpose of her native Vault 81...)
I feel like lawful and chaotic also apply to world laws/ethics as well. Batman has his own code, but in his universe he’s a controversial character because as much good as he does, he’s still breaking the law.
One thing to add about Strong, and I don't know if this affects his placement on the alignment chart in any way, but when you actively agree to help settlements, he likes it when you do that.
I think as it stands at the point of the game, super mutants by fault are chaotic evil. It’s not clear where Strong will do once he’s learned about what the milk of human kindness actually is but I would imagine he’d break past his mental programming to a more neutral or even lawful stance.
I think Danse is 100% a lawful evil. He'll do anything the Brotherhood wants, slaughtering mutants, ghouls or synths, no matter if they are hostile. The Brotherhood will forcefully take over farms and settlements. They'll nuke an entire part of town if their enemy is located there. They'll wipe out the Railroad, killing humans who are sympathetic to synths. If they could build and use a Death Star to defeat their enemies, they would, and Danse would go along with it. Danse is absolutely willing to do terrible things if the Brotherhood orders it. He's a lawful evil.
I agree, it stings a little but Danse is definitely lawful evil leaning neutral. He has good ideals but his willingness to go along with any order no matter how evil it is pushes him over the edge for me. Treating synths like shit-and often outright killing them-stealing food from starving settlers, hostility towards non-feral ghouls, and just generally treating non-brotherhood peeps like shit aren’t things someone can be totally on board with and still be considered neutral to me. Danse himself treats your ghoul and synth companions with disdain and hatred, he just isn’t the best dude morally speaking, even if he is definitely very principled.
I don't think cait is "neutral" lol. She is a malicious person who likes hurting people for no reason. She likes it when you off the little girl's cat in vault 81.
I would call Piper Chaotic Good. She is willing to not follow the law, especially if she sees the law as detrimental. She is not above lying to get what she wants. She still only wants to do good.
@@GrantReedIII this is very fair. I was leaning into lawful because she is very principled, almost as if she has her own journalistic laws. She does, however, not care about the laws of diamond city 😅
Only change I'd make is Ada being true Neutral. Other than hunting the Mechanist, she has zero capacity for moral judgement - like Dogmeat. In the game, reflected by not using affinity in any way. Curie remains neutral good though - her programmed medical-care duties give her a 'healer' aura - her only real flaw is naivety. Unlike Codsworth, she hasn't had 210 years outside to learn 'who to trust and who to kill' - hence she back the Brotherhood of Steel despite their hostility to synths and 'peace only through war' mentality. Agree with Strong, though. Whilst he does sometimes show appreciation of 'like helping like', he only believes humans should co-operate in order to further their ability to kill, not for any higher purpose.
Curie is literally programmed to do good with principles and rules literally programmed into her that are those of a doctor (in addition to her Nanny programming). You can't get more procedural than that. So she is absolutely not neutral when it comes to following rules and principles, especially since she keeps saying she does it for science and especially for the good of humanity, not to mention the rejection she gets when our character makes bad comments or acts badly with other people or the compassion she felt for her fellow scientists in the hidden area of the shelter (they didn't put themselves in their closet/coffin). How can she be neutral when she is practically the very personification of rigor and goodness? The worst part of all this is that we could have explained that you put her in neutral if she was just following her program without any free will, but that is nevertheless the whole point of her adventure to demonstrate that she has forged her own personality just as she has gotten closer to humans by ardently wanting to change her body. And Deacon? It's not because Deacon is an inveterate mythomaniac that he doesn't have his rules that he follows to perfection. The fact of always lying is already rigor in itself. This guy is a spy at heart. He is the one who follows the most principles of the entire rail network. He continues to lie even outside of service hours (if I may say so) because he cares so much about his mission and controls his life. He says it himself and I'm sure it's one of his rare moments of truth, he gets facial surgery every year for his job. It's not because he's difficult to understand that it makes him someone chaotic because it's precisely this rigor in his behavior that gives us this uncertainty. This guy must have a daily routine at least as strict as that of Paladin Dance to act as he does and to master all the characters he plays with such nonchalance and it is this nonchalance in addition to his mythomania that makes us believe in someone unstable when it is not the case, quite the contrary.
@@gothicnight96 Are you familiar with the Warhammer universe? EVERYONE is the bad guy. Fallout isn’t too different but I’m not taking my boy Preston Garvey out of Lawful Good and you can’t change my mind. Though, he is a little incompetent 😅
@@T.J.Marcus as a matter of fact, I'm VERY familiar with 40k. I know EVERYONE is evil and everything blows. And it blows hard. As for Preston, he just falls into incompetent but not evil. Definitely kinda stupid though, like everyone in FO4
@@gothicnight96 I play a lot of Total Warhammer 3 and I love factions like the Empire, but when you read the missions and events, you realize how evil these people actually are
@@T.J.Marcus As far as the video games go, I've only played Dawn of War, Fire Warrior and Space Marine, but I used to be VERY heavy into the 40k tabletop before my dad passed in 2020. I also keep up with Arch and Luetin for lore since I quit playing the tabletop.
This is something I wish would be changed in Fo4. In Fo3 you had characters that had their own morals. Fawkes was good karma and would refuse to be your companion if you were evil or even neutral. And Butch would only join you if you were neutral. And my favourite, Jericho. Will only join if your evil. Everyone in Fo4 gets pissy if you do anything evil. (Except automations you make) Dunno if Gage is evil.
I'd disagree somewhat with strong being chaotic evil In terms of evil, he is either indifferent to others or generally means them harm, so I agree that he is evil In terms of chaotic, he has few principles, however he does have a strong sense of brotherhood. He believes in the superiority of super mutants, but also speaks often of super mutants helping each other. If you win him over, he promises to follow you always. Not exactly what I would call lawful behaviour, but there is some lawful element to it. I would put him in neutral evil, personally
MacCready felt hard to place to me, because he's only in the Commonwealth to look for a cure for his kid, which seems good. But thinking of this from a selfish v selfless streak, that's the most selfless thing, and is even a little still "for *my* kin" right? He's opposed to Gunners, for selfish reasons. Wants to end those two, because they're after him. The fastest way to rush affinity with him is to pick owned locks. Anyway, maybe he should fit to the evil end of the spectrum, is I guess my thought to express.
@@davidcollinsjr4288 he does so much good and bad that I thought neutral was the only proper place. However, a sign of a good character is being hard to place because real people aren’t black and white.
On every play through, I will complete every quest in the game that I can except “Benign Intervention”. I absolutely depend on Cait’s “fuck them all” attitude in order to accomplish certain tasks in the game without worrying about upsetting someone. Yeah, yeah I could also use Dogmeat but I enjoy Cait’s banter.
@T.J.Marcus oh yea. Sarah Lyons was the lover who was a synth. Would explain why maxson hates the institute so much. Maxson was trained by her, so upon learning she was a synth, began a campaign to hunt the institute. Hence, the anger about Danse being a synth. Deacon has been to capital wasteland, is the correct age of the game. And has had extensive surgeries. "I put myself under the knife every year or two."
I would say Piper is Chaotic Good, Hanncock is Lawful Evil, and Strong is Chaotic Neutral. Those are the only three that I would move. Piper has her own principles and morals, but hates authority. Hanncock, has no issue with killing people if they break his rules and he has a code that leans closer to Evil. Strong has some morals, he hates stealing, respects strength, and the cannibalism is accepted by him because he doesn't think any source of food should be overlooked, but doesn't seem to enjoy torture. Other Super Mutants are Chaotic Evil because they have no morals and enjoy torture.
No, if Preston Garvey is Lawful Good because he follows a set of principles then Paladin Danes should also be Lawful Good, as he believes the Brotherhood of Steel to be morally correct.
That depends on your definition of "good". I consider the minutemen "good" and the BoS "neutral". Feel free to make your own based on your own principles because all of this is subjective and nobody is really wrong.
Oh come on, his radiant quests are annoying (bad game design, meta complaint and not technically part of his personality), but he is also one of the nicest and most sincerely well-intentioned characters in the game
I consider Strong not all evil. He does respect you when helping people, but he sure got a lot of negatives. Like hating when you hack or even lockpick. There is no pleasing the big guy most of the time.
If X6-88 is LE, so is danse. Same MO for both, same motivations, same lack of personal code over organisational ideology. I think you've conflated the alignment of their faction with the NPC... Ada is LN, she has an absolute moral code guiding her questline.
13:25 you are so wrong if anything he's neutral evil he hates it when you take from other humans he likes it when you share with other humans he likes it when you help other humans and if not evil person he's just have the differing look on things and when you tell the little boy Billy and that his family is dead strong is sympathetic about it he will say life hard deaths come to wall best little human learn now and if you help Billy find his parents strong will say human should help human this is good and if you don't help Billy he will say human should help human strong know like this strong no like
@@B1_1_9_7_5 I didn’t know there were so many Strong supporters until I made this video. I’m keeping him in chaotic evil, but I get your point. Might be doing a Strong playthrough soon to see what this guy is all about 🤔
As for this list, I agree with just a few changes. Piper CG, she's too much a loose cannon. Strong is more Neutral or lawful evil, as stated in the comments below, he's got his pown morals, wierd as they are. Ada, TN. Outside her revenge quest she has no care what you do. And even the revenge is easily altered by you explaining what the Mechanist was trying to do.
Hey, enjoyed the video and I just subscribed and I wanted to give you a heads up that the link for your book is broken, it just goes to an "oops" page. Other than that keep up the good work!
I only had one disagreement with you, X6-88. On the basis that IF we had an interesting institute ending, the sole survivor could change his orders to do good. I just think he's the counter beat to dance, but they're both neutral to me.
I see it slightly, differently with Lawful being about structure, whilst Chaotic hates structure. Good meanwhile is about beauty, whilst Evil enjoys vandalising the world. On that scale, Cait and Hancock both strike me more as Neutral Evil, with Cait maybe even being Chaotic Evil.
They wasted so much potential by making X6 a generic bad guy. He lacks the scientific mindset and utilitarian morality that I would expect from an Institute character. He could have been a darker version of Curie, equally inquisitive and perhaps even well-intentioned, but willing to do bad things for a higher purpose, living by the words of Spock ("the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"). He would also make a great tragic character, a slave with the sole purpose of serving people who consider him barely more than a disposable machine. His character arc could have been like that of Connor in DBH, depending on player choices, at max affinity he might end up staying a machine slave or going "deviant" and embracing his personhood.
Preston is a Gloryhound. Somehow everyone knows him as the face of the Minutemen while YOU, THE PLAYER, takes care of any issues. He is a false friend in my opinion that chases glory and recognition. Where to put him? I personally wa t to put him in Chaotic Good (wanted to say True Neutral at first) based on that, but there is more nuansce (spelling?) to it. Thoughts on that?
Nah, he seems very genuine, but also depressed (he reveals suiсidal thoughts if you reach high affinity). It is surprising that only two companions (Preston and Cait) are implied to have mental health problems, considering the world they live in. If anything Preston's problem seems to be that he kind of hates himself, the exact opposite of seeking glory and recognition.
Batman is Chaotic Good. He ignors laws and only follows his own morals. Like V from V for Vendetta. Batman would never surrender to the police if they wanted (seriously) to arrest him. Superman would be considered Lawful Good. As he has surrendered to police when they called for his arrest.
Just like all the factions, they are all good except the raiders. Gage, handcock, arguably Strong and X6 are the morally grey/evil characters. Bethesda doesn't do so well with making evil factions/companions in my opinion. To be fair tho, Fallout NV really doesn't have any evil companions. Fallout 3 had probably the best assortment of companions when it comes to outright good and evil companions. I love Fallout 3, 4, and NV. But I feel Fallout 4 railroads you into being a good guy with good guy companions. Atleast until they got tired of people bitching and made nuka world lol.
Fallout 3 (at least the main story) railroads you WAY more into being good. There is only one main faction of Lawful Good paladins you can join, and the only given choice contrary to that is poisoning the water supply at the very end of the game because a computer told you so. Compared to that, Fallout 4 (for all its flaws) was a major step up. New Vegas does it best of course, to the point that (well, other than the Legion...) there is no clearly good or evil faction.
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus I see you point. But think about New vegas companions. You got Boone (NCR and pretty morally good/innocent), Cass (NCR, Morally good/innocent but with a bit of a temper), Arcade Gannon (Followers, Morally good but born in the Enclave) Raul (Morally good, but the only humanoid companion other than Lilly that doesn't hate the legion) Lilly (Not really morally evil, just schizophrenic). Rex and EDE are both non humanoid so they really don't have a moral compass. Rex kinda does depending on the brain you give him but not really. The arguably only two companions in NV that could be considered evil is Dean in dead money and Joshua Graham in honest hearts but Joshua is more or less reformed. Fallout New vegas has less variety in companions than Fallout 4 or Fallout 3. Better written companions for sure, but Karam just doesn't factor into new vegas that much other than slide shows. Kinda disappointing.
I dont think that Cait nor Hancock belive they are "good" per se. Pretty sure that Cage also knows he is rotten. This in reference to you saying "alll think they are good" On the other note Strong for instance isnt directly good either, but he may think he is it, hard to tell due to his cognitive abilites being imparied to say the least :P (Kind of hard to know if he even can grasp the concept of good/evil etc the way normal cognitive persons do)
I‘d say Codsworth would be chaotic good character. He has the best of intentions but still flames people alive and rebells against his own programming from time to time
Also when we first meet Ada she‘s a robot filled with most rage her programming would allow her to feel with plans to enact revenge and is absolutely internally pissed when we don’t kill the mechanist
she also doesn’t give a shit if we absolutely eradicate the half of the commonwealth you cannot be sayin‘ she‘s on the same level as curie
Codsworth is also totally chill with cannibalism and actually has some funny lines when you do
if you keep drinking buddy instead of sending to rexford he won't be mad
@@verybadwordforname I remember he “hated it” when I ate people.
@@tnagels I don’t think wanting revenge is inherently bad, and I remember how happy she was when I showed her how good the world is.
I’m keeping it!!!!
Strong actually hates it when you steal. And I still can't believe that is the same guy who voices Goku
@@ageinggamer3049 I’ve never looked up something so quickly in my life…
Instant promotion to Lawful!
@@T.J.Marcus yep Sean Schemmel, he voices a lot of the ghouls too.
@@T.J.Marcusstrong follows the principles of super mutants. The super mutants don't own things and share with there brother's. They have a hierarchy based on strength and respect each other as long as they follow the principles.
You can see super mutants as Kommunist raiders
He also likes when you help other people if i'm correct, i can't renember well but you could farm friendship with him by doing minutemen quests.
@@Matt-td8xw that's the milk of human kindness he's been looking for
Dogmeat should have his own alignment. Goodest Good Boy.
I feel like perhaps Piper should lean more towards the Chaotic side of the chart: there's a strong anti-authoritarian streak to her character, to the point where Diamond City Security have nicknamed the lockup "The Piper Suite". She also *really* likes it when you lockpick your way into places you're not supposed to be. She's more Robin Hood than Batman.
While we're all impatient sociopaths in games and hate Preston for being himself, if we lived in the wasteland Preston would be the friend we all want to have. He is the perfect lawful good character who avoids the trappings of lawful stupid, he would guide others in the direction of good just by being a positive presence. 100% this man is a treasure.
Don't worry, I won't change Preston Garvey's position.
What does need to change is the precarious position of a nearby settlement that's in trouble.
I'll mark it on your map.
GOD DAMN IT
Fun fact, in my first playthrough I helped so many settlements that I broke him, he no longer asks me to help settlements on that save.
I have to listen to that god awful radio freedom to get radiant settlement quests.
In numbers, my pip-boy said I had done 59 minutemen quests when he stopped, which annoyed me cause I wanted an even 60 😂
DANG YOU GARVEY!
Strong i disagree with the "chaotic" part, because strong does have a set of principles, as strange as they may be.
Strong must find the milk of human kindness
@@theextracrispycolonel9502 Maybe I wrote off his quest for the milk of human kindness too quickly.
@@T.J.Marcus strong talks about making super mutants stronger and that super mutants share everything that super mutants are all brothers. I would have put him in Lawful Evil.
I'd argue putting Hancock in Lawful Neutral or even Chaotic Good because he likes it when you help people as well as stealing from/hurting bad/corrupt people, meaning he does have good morals
@@wolfmantheimpaler the random stabbing when I first met him made me question his morals just a little bit.
But I thought he’s certainly a good guy that is willing to make some tough decisions for the sake of Goodneighbor.
@T.J.Marcus granted, the guy he stabbed sort of made a veiled threat to him, saying, "If you get too soft, maybe somebody will take your place"
@@T.J.Marcus Not really random. He saw a man threatening a visitor, he decided to tell him what he thinks about causing trouble to strangers. It's just his thoughts on that involve stabbing the troublemaker.
The rest of the conversations you have with Hancock put him as chaotic good in my book. He tries his best to do good, but it doesn't always work out like he plans. I figured the stabing was a last straw kind of thing. But I'm very biased. Hancock is my go-to romance.
@@T.J.Marcusthe stabbin seems random at first, but when you look into it, it really isn’t. finn seems to have a history of extortion, especially those new to goodneighbour. he also threatens hancock in some sorta way, sayin that if he lets newcomers “walk all over him”, he won’t be mayor for much longer.
Piper is chaotic good. Piper has this tendency to shot first ask questions later. She has gotten me in so many gun fights trying to sneak pass an enemy I just didn't want to deal with and then comes in ole Pipper with guns a-blazing!
@@topperman4541 I haven’t found a companion yet that doesn’t blow my cover the second we see enemies. My institute stealth character doesn’t use a companion for a reason haah
Her stories are also written in a very provocative way. Like she is trying to get a fight going. Yes she wants people to wake-up about the Institute, but she fans the flames of paranoia instead of trying to find a solution. I would move her to chaotic good.
@@T.J.Marcus Strong being the worst culprit.
Right. I agreed with the placement of everyone except Piper. She’s clearly chaotic good.
She shall also use people to get to her goals.
I like how you mention in the video that the deeper you dig into a character, the more you can argue for them being almost anywhere on the alignment.
My D&D group and I have argued over Hancock a lot. Arguments have been made for him to be aligned as chaotic good, lawful good, chaotic neutral, and lawful evil. I can see an argument for all of them except lawful evil personally.
He does have governing moral principles as simple/few as they may be. But he also expresses that he prefers to follow his gut and act on impulse. And he values freedom of choice in life.
MacCready might be more evil, when you find someone in a random encounter needing a cure from radiation he says he wouldn’t have bothered.
Sounds more selfish than evil. Macready will steal and lie but he won’t murder innocent people without provocation
@@Nick-zp3ub also McCready HATES it when the player is killing some innocen people. and he is a loving father but afraid to be near his sick son thanks to his past
@@annareifer2249 He is also quite repentant of his past.
Sounds like he is a survivalist not evil. I always saw MacCready as True Neutral because he seen many people die and knows death is there all around him. Life in Fallout is a live or die. He knows this, he lives this. He shall help if it helps him, it doesnt matter if other is good or bad. He is there to survive. But what really makes him true neutral, he only kills if he is required to do such. He isnt going to kill anyone unless they force his hand. Only a true neutral would react like this.
I kinda saw him as chaotic good, probably because of his backstory and the fact that he actively scurts around the rules.
Just to add to Nick, while he currently does things for cash, he tells you about when he first started he didn't even think to ask for payment, he was just happy to be treated like a person. He has no preferred faction coz at the end of the day, Nick stands for the people.
Pfft. Ada is an absolute chaos machine and goes along with anything you do. Definitely not the same as Curie.
Yeah, I am realizing I might have based her alignment on how I lead her (which was good neutral). There were definitely other paths for her so I agree she is neutral but she could have been all 3 neutral spaces.
@@T.J.Marcus She isn't much a character outside of Automatron and that expansion doesn't really do much for her anyway.
Being an old school D&D player, I found this video very interesting thanks for using the alignment system that was very informative
To me, Dogmeat is lawful neutral instead of true neutral. His guiding principle is being loyal to the player and following commands without question.
THAT... is a good argument, actually. He does have a guiding principle.
Strong actually likes when people work together and he disapproves stealing.
I wouldn't call him good but chsotic evil is a bit much
I think Neutral would be good for him
@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS He likes all displays of strength, and sees stealing as cowardice. I still see him as chaotic evil but that is so subjective to my view of who is good and bad.
I hate to go all Jedi, but from his point of view, Strong is both good and principled.
I'd say Hancock does have better morals than some of the other Chaotic companions, one of his voice lines being "We help those who need help, and hurt those who need to be hurt." Loose definition, but he definitely prefers to be helpful to those deserving of it. Those who don't deal in shady businesses.
Danse and X6-88 are definitely lawful. Where they go on the good/evil axis depends on what you think of the Brotherhood and Institute respectively; if you hate the Brotherhood more than you hate the Institute I can see a case for switching their positions.
The Brotherhood of Steel is evil no matter how much people try to give them credit. They are manipulative with well-controlled propaganda to avoid people realizing that they only want to plunder and keep technology for themselves. If on the surface, they say they want to prevent people from doing bad things with technology and that this is their main goal, in reality, they infantilize the population by looking down on them and do not hesitate to raze your city if you have technology that they want to seize. They just hide behind pretty speeches and a rigor that makes the rest of the population look like uneducated barbarians but their actions are not so far from simple plunderers. And I'm not even talking about the xenophobia deeply rooted in their doctrine. The BOT is a cult that just has big means. As for the institute, in reality, it is very much the same thing except that instead of a military rigor that gives them a false aura of heroism, they just emanate an exacerbated pragmatism (like Skynet from Terminator) and a fierce hatred of the living and the biological (their own xenophobia). There is therefore no good or even neutral in their existence or actions because they systematically and without notice eliminate anyone who does not agree with them. In the game, Dance only speaks to you because he saw that you were not doing as well as the illiterate local bumpkin against the ghouls and that you do not have a ghoul face either. We must not forget that we play a rather senior military officer in the game (he has to make an important speech and it is not the basic soldier who does that) with all his very white teeth and Dance just noticed it. His injured teammate who only talks badly to you is much more representative of how the BOT really perceives the rest of the population.
When you said Ada not knowing about the commonwealth is wrong and should not be included with curie because, yes curie hasn’t seen the commonwealth so it would make sense that she needs to embark with you but Ada has seen the commonwealth because she was in a caravan that travels throughout the commonwealth and has probably defended her self from raiders robots etc so she would know what it is like.
Love how you use the D&D alignment system!
It's a fun system and applies well to other worlds.
Dogmeat's alignment is GB, Good Boy.
I understand why you would consider Strong to be Chaotic Evil but I think he fits more for Neutral Evil, he has some rules of his own, they're just super mutant rules, which are mostly might makes right and stealing bad, sharing good. So basically a communist barbarian, which true Americans like Sergeant RL3 would find detestable!
Everything else, though, I think your choice in placement checks out.
Maybe Dogmeat could be lawful Neutral like Danse, since you (the Sole Survivor) are basically Dogmeat's BOS, whatever Dogmeat does is in service to you, and all the ends justify the means. I'm indirectly saying Danse (And by extension X6-88) is a dog for whom he serves.
Good list. Ada doesn't seem to care what actions the sole survivor takes or really have lot of sense of self so I might list her as neutral
X6 is one of the most interesting companions in the Fallout series as a whole, the absolute reverence for his creators and disregard for his own life makes him probably the saddest follower even compared to Lily from Jacobstown.
Danse is both the opposite and mirror image of X6, both are extremely loyal to their respective faction's with the former going so far as to be hostile to you if you destroy the Prydwen after Blind Betrayal, I think Danse could be reasonably placed anywhere on the Lawful side depending on how you see him and the Brotherhood as a whole.
He reminds me a bit of Weyoun from Star Trek DS9, being a tool/slave with absolute loyalty to creators who consider him disposable/worthless.
A tragic and interesting character trope that is almost never explored beyond the surface.
@@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus they do explore him beyond the surface, I wouldn't have brought him up if they didn't.
I’d have strong as chaotic neutral. He has no malice in his actions and evil intentional. Is a lion evil for eating a gazelle? Or for killing a lion challenging him?
I always thought of Curie as Lawful Good.
I can see that. Since she's experiencing so much of the world, I saw her as very open minded about things. She did have her own set of principles, though.
That's because she is the most Lawful Good character in the game
Awesome I love finding people that make their own stuff! I'm getting that book lol
Curie at neutral good? Out of everyone, she’s the one who needs to be in lawful good. Curie will even call you out on looting, calling that a crime
Like you said, Cait doesn't like it if you sell little Billy into slavery, but she likes it if you tell him that his parents are probably dead. When you do, Cait basically tells Billy to get used to life's disappointments.
Bro 😹😹
Hancock is difficult, he's chaotic, but he's lawful in his chaos. A lack of principles IS his principle, and he will fight for his ideals while his ideals are the lack of ideals.
Dogmeat smiling at me stockpiling bodies in sanctuary.
I would put old longfellow mire in chaotic neutral and hancook in chaotic good
Your first interaction with Hancock is him stabbing someone to death after they try and Rob you
@@samdrop9223 yes but he want Rob you and he don't like stealing and he likes if you help people
@@fliegendertitanfliegendert8691 I thought his morals were a little all over the place. But he does have a good side, you’re right.
Only thing I would really change is that I'd say that Hancock is probably True Neutral, having some guiding principles he needed to establish, to really become a mayor of Goodneighbour
I think you did a great job! 👍
I don't deserve you 🥲
I’d say strong isn’t exactly evil, he likes it when you help settlements, and he doesn’t like raiders or slavery because they harm human society, his principles are different than ours, and they come across as chaotic at least to us, but he’s not ruthlessly evil like the other super mutants
Which is why he was locked up with Rex.
He dosen’t like it when you aren’t nice because it gets you further from finding the milk of human kindness
@@S4v4gedragon1 ALMOST like he knows what it is....almost.
Where would you put the faction leaders like Father and Elder Maxin?
@@Keymaster2022 lawful evil and lawful neutral. I consider the BoS morally neutral but I understand some people will disagree.
@@T.J.Marcus Max is pure evil.
Id hardly call the bos or Maxwell evil, neutral at worst. The only one from the bos id call evil would be father Elijah, tho I'm biased since he's my least favorite character in the franchise besides Lucy.
@@T.J.MarcusI'd go lawful evil for both, mostly because Max isn't willing to give people who have shown they ARE PEOPLE a chance. He had the chillest, nicest BoS leader save his life and went kind of crazy with the power at such a young age.
He's not the SAME level of evil, but he's nowhere near good
@@fluffycamoI’m curious, what makes Father Elijah your least favorite?
I did something like this in the fallout 4 subreddit, X6-88 was lawful evil on mine too but a lot of people were arguing about him being neutral evil, hadnt really thought about ADA being neutral good, i put her in true neutral as she's indifferent to the player's actions, good and bad, like dogmeat, but yours is better considering that she does have that set of morals i hadnt taken into account
@@memcrem she can be convinced after the Automatron DLC that humans are good and worth saving. But I think you can convince her to go the other way.
I agree with the Chaotic part, but Strong I feel is Chaotic Good. He loves smashing skulls but likes when you help others.
Cait, Hancock & McCready are my go to trio.
Strong is one of my favorites, because he approves war crime
He's just down to clown and I respect that.
@@T.J.Marcus"down to clown" is more suitable for Hancock imo
I've always figured this morality grid needs a 4th column and line for the 'paradoxical'. The characters that are so fleshed out and sometimes even twisted in the ways in how they are, that it's almost impossible to place them in any of the original 9 squares properly. Hancock might be the best example of this with FO4, because even though he may seem chaotic, the fact he understands that some rules have to exist makes him also kind of lawful. His shtick isn't so much a lack of principle, but rather having a different set of them from what our society looking at this black mirror would judge him under.
His whole thing is "Do as you will, so long as you are NOT doing things that harm others... but if you do, harm will come to you." sort of deal.
To the sort of people who cannot live without someone else giving them laws to follow, his sort seems very unprincipled. Lawless even in some cases.
But they perhaps have the most sane reasoning around the most important tenet of why our laws come to exist in the first place. Freedom. Laws are all about the expression, protection of, and sometimes even restriction of freedom in some form or another. He just wants the most free version of society, which he understands means that there still must be some ground rules to follow for those who like I said earlier, just cannot live without laws.
So, if a 4th column and row were to be named the paradoxical, his square would probably be the one labelled as Lawful Chaotic 'good', where the squares all in total would read some combination of lawful and chaotic in the order of hierachry for their personality, and then good or evil or neutral where it applies. The neutral one would sit in the far corner being the most odd ball of them all.
So Lawful Chaotic Good, Chaotic Lawful Good, Lawful Chaotic Neutral, Chaotic Lawful Evil, Lawful Chaotic Evil. That goes from the top right, down to the corner, to the bottom left, to keep it roughly in line with how the 'good and evil' sections run.
Why no Chaotic Lawful Neutral?
It's effectively the same square. Being neutral would mean that these two are basically balanced out in such a way that it's hard to tell if they are good or evil, and so the default of lawful takes over since they are lawful to some degree even if not by much. Kind of like Hancock again, but ultimately he hates tyranny which makes him good compared to one who wouldn't care, making them neutral.
One last thing. Hancock might not care if you hurt raiders, but that's because raiders hurt others. They bring tyranny upon others, so he doesn't mind them getting their own medicine. I figured this might get brought up, so I'm handling it ahead of time.
Dogmeat -- at least my dogmeat was chaotic evil
"Hey go over there"
*Turns a diamond city denizen into chew toy*
If Selflessness can be Evil, is everything you need to know about X6.
Curie is Lawful Good, perhaps even more so than Preston. She has a strict moral code and hates violence (you will frequently hear her say so in combat, even when fighting objectively bad people like Raiders). She also dislikes it when you are being rude in dialogue, similar to Codsworth. As a medical robot, we can assume she was programmed with something like the Hippocratic Oath at the core of her value system. While she is consistently curious and passionate about science, she also opposes people using science to harm others, even if they are doing so for a nominally noble goal. (Like the intended purpose of her native Vault 81...)
I feel like lawful and chaotic also apply to world laws/ethics as well. Batman has his own code, but in his universe he’s a controversial character because as much good as he does, he’s still breaking the law.
Perfectly done
@@JacobBerry-w4h I’m putting you in lawful good 😎👍👍
One thing to add about Strong, and I don't know if this affects his placement on the alignment chart in any way, but when you actively agree to help settlements, he likes it when you do that.
@@CaelumRoxas He seems to “like” every sign of strength. I guess aiding settlements is a sign of strength.
I think as it stands at the point of the game, super mutants by fault are chaotic evil. It’s not clear where Strong will do once he’s learned about what the milk of human kindness actually is but I would imagine he’d break past his mental programming to a more neutral or even lawful stance.
I think Danse is 100% a lawful evil. He'll do anything the Brotherhood wants, slaughtering mutants, ghouls or synths, no matter if they are hostile. The Brotherhood will forcefully take over farms and settlements. They'll nuke an entire part of town if their enemy is located there. They'll wipe out the Railroad, killing humans who are sympathetic to synths. If they could build and use a Death Star to defeat their enemies, they would, and Danse would go along with it.
Danse is absolutely willing to do terrible things if the Brotherhood orders it. He's a lawful evil.
But sometimes the Brotherhood asks him to do good things 👼
I agree, it stings a little but Danse is definitely lawful evil leaning neutral. He has good ideals but his willingness to go along with any order no matter how evil it is pushes him over the edge for me. Treating synths like shit-and often outright killing them-stealing food from starving settlers, hostility towards non-feral ghouls, and just generally treating non-brotherhood peeps like shit aren’t things someone can be totally on board with and still be considered neutral to me. Danse himself treats your ghoul and synth companions with disdain and hatred, he just isn’t the best dude morally speaking, even if he is definitely very principled.
Cait starts off as chaotic neutral, but she arguably edges her way towards true neutral over time. Mind you, that's not a hill I'd die in.
I don't think cait is "neutral" lol. She is a malicious person who likes hurting people for no reason. She likes it when you off the little girl's cat in vault 81.
Batman is every alignment.
Now hear me out. Elder macnamara is lawful nuetral
Checks out, IMO.
Valentine is the dad we should all have.
I would call Piper Chaotic Good. She is willing to not follow the law, especially if she sees the law as detrimental. She is not above lying to get what she wants. She still only wants to do good.
@@GrantReedIII this is very fair. I was leaning into lawful because she is very principled, almost as if she has her own journalistic laws. She does, however, not care about the laws of diamond city 😅
Then again, she dislikes when you steal or demand more money from other NPC's.
@@mikitz when you steal, yes. That is when you are causing harm to someone, theft is like that. She likes when you pick an unowned lock.
Only change I'd make is Ada being true Neutral. Other than hunting the Mechanist, she has zero capacity for moral judgement - like Dogmeat. In the game, reflected by not using affinity in any way. Curie remains neutral good though - her programmed medical-care duties give her a 'healer' aura - her only real flaw is naivety. Unlike Codsworth, she hasn't had 210 years outside to learn 'who to trust and who to kill' - hence she back the Brotherhood of Steel despite their hostility to synths and 'peace only through war' mentality.
Agree with Strong, though. Whilst he does sometimes show appreciation of 'like helping like', he only believes humans should co-operate in order to further their ability to kill, not for any higher purpose.
Curie is literally programmed to do good with principles and rules literally programmed into her that are those of a doctor (in addition to her Nanny programming). You can't get more procedural than that. So she is absolutely not neutral when it comes to following rules and principles, especially since she keeps saying she does it for science and especially for the good of humanity, not to mention the rejection she gets when our character makes bad comments or acts badly with other people or the compassion she felt for her fellow scientists in the hidden area of the shelter (they didn't put themselves in their closet/coffin). How can she be neutral when she is practically the very personification of rigor and goodness? The worst part of all this is that we could have explained that you put her in neutral if she was just following her program without any free will, but that is nevertheless the whole point of her adventure to demonstrate that she has forged her own personality just as she has gotten closer to humans by ardently wanting to change her body.
And Deacon? It's not because Deacon is an inveterate mythomaniac that he doesn't have his rules that he follows to perfection. The fact of always lying is already rigor in itself. This guy is a spy at heart. He is the one who follows the most principles of the entire rail network. He continues to lie even outside of service hours (if I may say so) because he cares so much about his mission and controls his life. He says it himself and I'm sure it's one of his rare moments of truth, he gets facial surgery every year for his job. It's not because he's difficult to understand that it makes him someone chaotic because it's precisely this rigor in his behavior that gives us this uncertainty. This guy must have a daily routine at least as strict as that of Paladin Dance to act as he does and to master all the characters he plays with such nonchalance and it is this nonchalance in addition to his mythomania that makes us believe in someone unstable when it is not the case, quite the contrary.
It's fallout. Everyone is either evil or incompetent, often both.
@@gothicnight96 Are you familiar with the Warhammer universe? EVERYONE is the bad guy.
Fallout isn’t too different but I’m not taking my boy Preston Garvey out of Lawful Good and you can’t change my mind. Though, he is a little incompetent 😅
@@T.J.Marcus as a matter of fact, I'm VERY familiar with 40k. I know EVERYONE is evil and everything blows. And it blows hard.
As for Preston, he just falls into incompetent but not evil. Definitely kinda stupid though, like everyone in FO4
@@gothicnight96 I play a lot of Total Warhammer 3 and I love factions like the Empire, but when you read the missions and events, you realize how evil these people actually are
@@T.J.Marcus As far as the video games go, I've only played Dawn of War, Fire Warrior and Space Marine, but I used to be VERY heavy into the 40k tabletop before my dad passed in 2020. I also keep up with Arch and Luetin for lore since I quit playing the tabletop.
This is something I wish would be changed in Fo4. In Fo3 you had characters that had their own morals. Fawkes was good karma and would refuse to be your companion if you were evil or even neutral. And Butch would only join you if you were neutral. And my favourite, Jericho. Will only join if your evil.
Everyone in Fo4 gets pissy if you do anything evil. (Except automations you make) Dunno if Gage is evil.
Any Fallout 4 player knows Preston is lawful evil 😛
@@yomandinga you SHUT your MOUTH.
@@T.J.Marcusdamn are you diamond city guard, did the bullet in the ass finally got to you?
“Theres another settlement that needs YOUR HELP. I’ll mark it on your map.”
@@T.J.Marcus He heads a busted protection racket he's trying to rebuild.
@@RXTRUX1 he would never. I swear!
Preston is chaotic evil only because that there is another settlement that needs your help, i will mark it on your map.
You thank your lucky stars he sent you and not somebody more appreciative of his Lawful Good status.
I'd disagree somewhat with strong being chaotic evil
In terms of evil, he is either indifferent to others or generally means them harm, so I agree that he is evil
In terms of chaotic, he has few principles, however he does have a strong sense of brotherhood. He believes in the superiority of super mutants, but also speaks often of super mutants helping each other.
If you win him over, he promises to follow you always. Not exactly what I would call lawful behaviour, but there is some lawful element to it.
I would put him in neutral evil, personally
13:40 codsworth: would you like some salt with that?
MacCready felt hard to place to me, because he's only in the Commonwealth to look for a cure for his kid, which seems good. But thinking of this from a selfish v selfless streak, that's the most selfless thing, and is even a little still "for *my* kin" right? He's opposed to Gunners, for selfish reasons. Wants to end those two, because they're after him. The fastest way to rush affinity with him is to pick owned locks.
Anyway, maybe he should fit to the evil end of the spectrum, is I guess my thought to express.
@@davidcollinsjr4288 he does so much good and bad that I thought neutral was the only proper place. However, a sign of a good character is being hard to place because real people aren’t black and white.
On every play through, I will complete every quest in the game that I can except “Benign Intervention”. I absolutely depend on Cait’s “fuck them all” attitude in order to accomplish certain tasks in the game without worrying about upsetting someone. Yeah, yeah I could also use Dogmeat but I enjoy Cait’s banter.
Deacon is the fallout 3 playable character. Cant change my mind about that 😂
@@kylen7351 I’m gonna ponder this for a while 🤔🤔🤔🤔
@T.J.Marcus oh yea. Sarah Lyons was the lover who was a synth. Would explain why maxson hates the institute so much. Maxson was trained by her, so upon learning she was a synth, began a campaign to hunt the institute. Hence, the anger about Danse being a synth. Deacon has been to capital wasteland, is the correct age of the game. And has had extensive surgeries. "I put myself under the knife every year or two."
@@kylen7351 Slow down, I can't handle this theory so early in the morning.
@@T.J.Marcus the gang deacon was talking about. Tunnel snakes
They are all very needy! Codsworth is the Best
I would say Piper is Chaotic Good, Hanncock is Lawful Evil, and Strong is Chaotic Neutral. Those are the only three that I would move. Piper has her own principles and morals, but hates authority. Hanncock, has no issue with killing people if they break his rules and he has a code that leans closer to Evil. Strong has some morals, he hates stealing, respects strength, and the cannibalism is accepted by him because he doesn't think any source of food should be overlooked, but doesn't seem to enjoy torture. Other Super Mutants are Chaotic Evil because they have no morals and enjoy torture.
No, if Preston Garvey is Lawful Good because he follows a set of principles then Paladin Danes should also be Lawful Good, as he believes the Brotherhood of Steel to be morally correct.
That depends on your definition of "good". I consider the minutemen "good" and the BoS "neutral". Feel free to make your own based on your own principles because all of this is subjective and nobody is really wrong.
Preston Garvey needs a whole new category: Lawful PITA.
That's called AWFUL good.
Reported for making fun of my best friend!
(not really reported)
Oh come on, his radiant quests are annoying (bad game design, meta complaint and not technically part of his personality), but he is also one of the nicest and most sincerely well-intentioned characters in the game
I consider Strong not all evil. He does respect you when helping people, but he sure got a lot of negatives. Like hating when you hack or even lockpick. There is no pleasing the big guy most of the time.
Good video. Subscribed.
@@todd.cannon I’m putting you in Lawful Good 🥹
It's 100% Cait for me - loves caps and scraps.
She's fun for a scrapper build.
If X6-88 is LE, so is danse. Same MO for both, same motivations, same lack of personal code over organisational ideology. I think you've conflated the alignment of their faction with the NPC...
Ada is LN, she has an absolute moral code guiding her questline.
13:25 you are so wrong if anything he's neutral evil he hates it when you take from other humans he likes it when you share with other humans he likes it when you help other humans and if not evil person he's just have the differing look on things and when you tell the little boy Billy and that his family is dead strong is sympathetic about it he will say life hard deaths come to wall best little human learn now and if you help Billy find his parents strong will say human should help human this is good and if you don't help Billy he will say human should help human strong know like this strong no like
@@B1_1_9_7_5 I didn’t know there were so many Strong supporters until I made this video. I’m keeping him in chaotic evil, but I get your point.
Might be doing a Strong playthrough soon to see what this guy is all about 🤔
@@T.J.Marcus he is also very wise not matter how hungry human don't eat dirt tastes like dirt pure poetry
As for this list, I agree with just a few changes. Piper CG, she's too much a loose cannon. Strong is more Neutral or lawful evil, as stated in the comments below, he's got his pown morals, wierd as they are. Ada, TN. Outside her revenge quest she has no care what you do. And even the revenge is easily altered by you explaining what the Mechanist was trying to do.
Hey, enjoyed the video and I just subscribed and I wanted to give you a heads up that the link for your book is broken, it just goes to an "oops" page. Other than that keep up the good work!
@@grumpygramps9542 omg thank you and thank you 🥹
i'd have put nick at lawful neutral b/c he really doesn't give a crap if you kill skinny outright. job was done. "bad" guy eliminated as per justice
I only had one disagreement with you, X6-88. On the basis that IF we had an interesting institute ending, the sole survivor could change his orders to do good. I just think he's the counter beat to dance, but they're both neutral to me.
Dogmeat can not be good or evil as he has no knowledge of either. He will be by your side no matter what you do
The truest neutral companion 🐕🦺
X6-88 and strong are switched places.
Personally I would have put Piper in chaotic good.
I would have put dog meat in good neutral but hey it’s your opinion
Dogmeat doesnt care what you do. He doesnt like or dislike anything. If you wanna do an evil run with dogmeat, he will oblige lol
@@gameboy12373 Dogmeat has no objections to my evil play through.
But he's a good Boy!
I see it slightly, differently with Lawful being about structure, whilst Chaotic hates structure. Good meanwhile is about beauty, whilst Evil enjoys vandalising the world.
On that scale, Cait and Hancock both strike me more as Neutral Evil, with Cait maybe even being Chaotic Evil.
🤔Not a bad take. I need to reflect on this.
Long fellow is an old bar fly with guns
@@unclejoker9956 He loves and hates with passion (and alcohol)
They wasted so much potential by making X6 a generic bad guy. He lacks the scientific mindset and utilitarian morality that I would expect from an Institute character. He could have been a darker version of Curie, equally inquisitive and perhaps even well-intentioned, but willing to do bad things for a higher purpose, living by the words of Spock ("the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"). He would also make a great tragic character, a slave with the sole purpose of serving people who consider him barely more than a disposable machine. His character arc could have been like that of Connor in DBH, depending on player choices, at max affinity he might end up staying a machine slave or going "deviant" and embracing his personhood.
Isn’t Batman more neutral good?
Preston is a Gloryhound. Somehow everyone knows him as the face of the Minutemen while YOU, THE PLAYER, takes care of any issues. He is a false friend in my opinion that chases glory and recognition. Where to put him? I personally wa t to put him in Chaotic Good (wanted to say True Neutral at first) based on that, but there is more nuansce (spelling?) to it. Thoughts on that?
Nah, he seems very genuine, but also depressed (he reveals suiсidal thoughts if you reach high affinity). It is surprising that only two companions (Preston and Cait) are implied to have mental health problems, considering the world they live in. If anything Preston's problem seems to be that he kind of hates himself, the exact opposite of seeking glory and recognition.
First time watching your video. Been on a major new vegas kick recently, if you make an alignment chart for FNV companions I'll instantly click on it.
I’ll do it for the New Vegas fans, because they would do it for me 🥹
🤓 Um, actually, Danse is a paladin, and paladins MUST be lawful good, so he cannot be lawful neutral.
/s
😉
Changed in 4th Ed-Present.
Wouldn't the police think Batman is chaotic good because he dosent follow technical law as they do?
@@ajosralastname7823 Yes. And if you think the institute is good, X6-88 is Lawful good. It’s all subjective.
Batman is Chaotic Good. He ignors laws and only follows his own morals. Like V from V for Vendetta. Batman would never surrender to the police if they wanted (seriously) to arrest him. Superman would be considered Lawful Good. As he has surrendered to police when they called for his arrest.
I agree I love Piper and i hate Preston and his annoying voice. While i do like Dogmeat because he's a dog and Deacon is cool along with Valentine.
Not sure getting any help (consciously or not) from that weirdo Oxhorn is a good thing.
Sry man but I love his lore videos.
What did he do?
i didnt see the boring/useless categorie for preston garvey . where is it !? 😐
Just like all the factions, they are all good except the raiders. Gage, handcock, arguably Strong and X6 are the morally grey/evil characters. Bethesda doesn't do so well with making evil factions/companions in my opinion.
To be fair tho, Fallout NV really doesn't have any evil companions. Fallout 3 had probably the best assortment of companions when it comes to outright good and evil companions.
I love Fallout 3, 4, and NV. But I feel Fallout 4 railroads you into being a good guy with good guy companions. Atleast until they got tired of people bitching and made nuka world lol.
Fallout 3 (at least the main story) railroads you WAY more into being good. There is only one main faction of Lawful Good paladins you can join, and the only given choice contrary to that is poisoning the water supply at the very end of the game because a computer told you so. Compared to that, Fallout 4 (for all its flaws) was a major step up. New Vegas does it best of course, to the point that (well, other than the Legion...) there is no clearly good or evil faction.
@wasserruebenvergilbungsvirus I see you point. But think about New vegas companions. You got Boone (NCR and pretty morally good/innocent), Cass (NCR, Morally good/innocent but with a bit of a temper), Arcade Gannon (Followers, Morally good but born in the Enclave) Raul (Morally good, but the only humanoid companion other than Lilly that doesn't hate the legion) Lilly (Not really morally evil, just schizophrenic). Rex and EDE are both non humanoid so they really don't have a moral compass. Rex kinda does depending on the brain you give him but not really.
The arguably only two companions in NV that could be considered evil is Dean in dead money and Joshua Graham in honest hearts but Joshua is more or less reformed.
Fallout New vegas has less variety in companions than Fallout 4 or Fallout 3. Better written companions for sure, but Karam just doesn't factor into new vegas that much other than slide shows. Kinda disappointing.
cool good video
I don't deserve you (thanks).
@@T.J.Marcus make one on like skyrim
Dog meat is the best companion of all time .
Whhhhhhay piper is sooo evil. She lets her sister all alone at a young age. She lies manipulate to get inside diamond city...wtf
I dont think that Cait nor Hancock belive they are "good" per se. Pretty sure that Cage also knows he is rotten.
This in reference to you saying "alll think they are good"
On the other note Strong for instance isnt directly good either, but he may think he is it, hard to tell due to his cognitive abilites being imparied to say the least :P (Kind of hard to know if he even can grasp the concept of good/evil etc the way normal cognitive persons do)
Good and evil are a matter of perspective.
100% agree. This video is my perspective. If someone thinks the Institute is good, then X6-88 goes from lawful evil to lawful good.