Another major flaw in the Jedi. They believe too heavily on force visions and try to prevent it from happening. Even if it means breaking their ideals and morals. But in their acts for the greater good, they end up creating the monster they try to prevent.
@@greenredbluezombie7793 Yeah, Jedi may be powerful in the Force. But they are pretty stupid when it comes to saving the galaxy and saving their follow Jedi comrades. Because they're the true meaning and flaw of anti-life.
the Jedi asserted themselves as altruistic and moral, blinded by their own arrogance and tradition. They failed to better themselves and their order. Their justified their actions with talks of peace. Honestly, they deserved their own destruction and Luke did a good thing by incorporating balance. Having strictly one side, light or dark, will blind you and will ultimately lead to your destruction.
@@jakealter5504 Well they aren't hypocrite about that, they completely embrace their emotion and their moto of might make right, it's frightening in real world, but in fiction it's pretty cool
@@rs2sensen830 Not really, ut would probably be fairly long actually with all the story it has to go through and then the fighting and such. It would be a fairly linear storyline but would be fairly awesome.
We seen how many people complain how you must be strong in the force to be a great Jedi. This story was to establish how you don't need to be strong in the force to be a great Jedi.
Zayne was strong in the Force it just that his abilities manifested as a bizarre form of luck that was at once good and bad, as Zayne himself once put it ''the Force doesn't want me dead, it doesn't want me happy either'' also Lucien Draay was a bad teacher. One of Luke's students a kid named Uldir Lochett had the same ability and might have been a descendent of Zayne.
Legends: Jedi commit atrocious actions like exterminating the Sith pureblood, killing their own padawans and kidnapping children. Disney: JeDi arE tHe bEsT, SItH the wORst.
I think Disney was trying to do The Grey Jedi/Grey Force User stuff with the Vindu in Rebel and the Movie where they talk about how the Jedi must end. They were not doing "JeDaI tHe BeSt".
@@jakealter5504 Don't forget during the war with the Sith, the Sith Lord blow up a few Sun destroying a few solar system and genocide a number of planet. People tend to down play this a lot or not even mention it so that the Jedi would look even worse. So what did they expect to happen after doing all that.
“Do you want to hear more of this era?” YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! The kotor comics are my favorite series and I’ve waited forever for someone to cover them cause they get no love.
Jedi killing their younglings cold blooded is very sociopathic and very immoral thing to do since the younglings are innocent plus you can't trust versions or take versions grain of salt since versions are pretty unclear and it doesn't explain the events lead up to the version.
That's probably why they didn't want the rest of the Order to know. They crossed a line but convinced themselves it was necessary, a convenient lie anyone would call them out on.
@@Avenger85438 in other words they were committing a sinful act for the sake of the "greater good." And that's very flaw of Jedi order. Also they are the true definition of anti-life. And could never take into consideration the human mind set. Or take a moment to think about their actions having more repercussions then they know.
Also the Jedi Covenant succeeded, One of their agents, Celeste Morne (i think thats the spelling) was put in a stasis pod and awoke in the Legacy era, and helped a skywalker descendent defeat the Sith yet again.
In my opinion the moment the Jedi Order failed the galaxy. Was when they abandoned or exile their former padawans and follower of Bogan from their homeworld. Which created the very evil they sought to destroy and remember the Jedi were the first to attack first and start the flames of war. Because the followers of Bogan/dark Jedi were minding their own business. They weren't against the Jedi order in any type way. They had their own place to doing as they please, without the Jedi watching their move. And don't get me started on the Republic. The Jedi order should've never ally with them in the first place. They have just stay as a "force-user organization" with their own community. Without getting involved with the affairs of the galaxy.
I just realized assassin's Creed and star wars have a very similar ideals, neither of the sides a good just different ideals clashing causing unnecessary loss of life. Just one is portrayed worse than the other.
The sad thing is that the Covenant wanted tae wait for Zayne to return before they slaughtered the padawans. The reason they had to jump straight to the murder was that the Padawans figured out something was wrong, because they knew there was no way Zayne could be knighted. They had no faith in him whatsoever. Those were his friends and classmates, and what saved Zayne was that they saw him as a failure. And yes, The Masters told him.
To be truthful, the Jedi covenant misinterpreted the vision they had as if you read and view it again with thoughtfulness you can see that it was a potential fate that would have befallen the covenant had they no lingered fear the with as much as they had and not had been to fanatical and pious towards their Jedi teachings then they would have lived and all that death would have been prevented. But due to their failure of twisting the Force’s will with their own views on it they and the Jedi would not believe in prophecies like Anakin’s destiny in bringing true balance to the force like destroying or changing the Jedi and Sith orders for the betterment of the Galaxy.
"So you are a Jedi and hate the Sith? I thought Jedi were taught not to hate, so much for the tolerant Order" - Palpatine. Founder, Turning Point Galactic Empire
Almost all of these Jedi doing bad stuff got writen after the Knights of the Old Republic game, the game sort of inspire people to make the Jedi not as good. Eventually people were just adding more negative stuff then good. Like for almost forever they were good guys till they strated to added all the negative stuff to them as a way of subversion.
The Jedi Covenant suffered an ironic fate. They literally died as they had foreseen.... while trying to prevent their deaths. Looks like they pulled a DOUBLE Anakin! Killed padawans AND failed to stop their visions by trying to stop their visions.
The Jedi Covenant was probably worse than Darth Vader. There's an honesty in Vader's ruthlessness, whereas the Covenant was formed by cowards, liars, pampered idiots and murderers. They deserved their fate.
Lucien was Darth Sion, no? I remember a line on the comic “I name you Sion because your destiny is pain” (maybe It’s not exactly this, I read the comic a long time ago)
I bought these comics when they were first released, I completely forgot about their existence. Huh, thanks for reminding me of that weird part of my life
New verb - _to Anakin_ Meaning: _To slaughter a large amount of helpless individuals, usually children_ Usage: Woah, Joe came back from work, saw his kids break his LEGO Star Wars: Clone Wars ultimate collector series Ventor class Republic attack cruiser, and straight up Anakined them!
Anakin'd? More like Luke'd. Yeah, Anakin did that first, but this situation is more like Luke's, just going by a vision that wasnt clear. Hell, at least Luke was sure it was Ben. These Jedi only saw *one* mysterious figure & didnt see that person's face. I thought this would end with Zayne being the one that turned, making the vision coming true, their fault like Ben turning being Luke's fault. But no, he did not turn. How tf arent the Grey Jedi Order a thing in the new canon, or never fully were in the old canon(at best, come Jedi tread the line like Qui-Gon, Mace & even Dooku) when Jedi did shit like this?
I know KOTOR isn't canon anymore, but I couldn't help but think of these guys when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan discuss the dangers of prophecies in the Master and Apprentice novel.
Arguably my fav SW comic series! Fantastic story with awesome characters! Such depth and so many twists and turns! A very diffrent Jedi Order then we saw in the prequels and EU material.
![The Woman Darth Vader wanted to Penetrate the most with his Lightsaber [Canon] - Star Wars Explained](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/F7jLATe2iRM/mqdefault.jpg)
Can we all change the term "Child murder" to "Anakination"?
Please
OMG, thank you SO MUCH for that suggestion, I love the title XD
I'd vote for that in the Senate. lol.
@@zexalbrony4799 Aren't you forgetting,Palpatine is The Senate. Just wanted to get that out of my system.
@@geetslys Fordo see's what you did there. "I am the reinforcements!"- ARC-77 Captain Fordo during the Battle of Coruscant.
Jedi covenant: ( Murders their padawans)
Anakin: Wait! Thats MY job!
Jedi covenant: ( Murders their padawans)
Anakin: Wait! They DID THAT and WERE Jedi Masters? Why i'm NOT A JEDI MASTER?
@@squidsinspace75 They overcame their fear of the sand side of the force. You did not.
Have you ever heard the misadventures of Zayne Carrick? I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you, mostly out of embarrassment.
maybe so, but those misadventures were f***ing hilarious, not to mention deep and insightful and even emotionally moving at several points.
The padawan who got away and crashed the jedi enclave?
The Force wants him dead and alive at the same time.
Rich part is, by making his life harder, the Masters, essentially made him a knight
Those comics were amazing!
“A person often meets his destiny on the road he took to avoid it.”
Never take a "prophecy" at face value...
My main belief with prophecies is any action to prevent the prophecy usually causes it to happen
Another major flaw in the Jedi. They believe too heavily on force visions and try to prevent it from happening. Even if it means breaking their ideals and morals. But in their acts for the greater good, they end up creating the monster they try to prevent.
@@kingnamor7777 or you can pull a yoda and ignore your vision of clones betraying their Jedi allies
@@greenredbluezombie7793 Yeah, Jedi may be powerful in the Force. But they are pretty stupid when it comes to saving the galaxy and saving their follow Jedi comrades. Because they're the true meaning and flaw of anti-life.
@@HumGoo But what if taking the action to ignore the prophecy causes it to happen?
Zayne: “Hey Revan, the Jedi had a cult that butchered an entire class of padawans and sparked a mini civil war.”
Revan: “… What the fuck?”
Malak: *All I hear is the sound of cleansing coming*
By wtf, you must mean "starts taking notes"
@@johnnyscifiRevan didn't have murder on his mind just yet. Also, considering that he's saved malak early on, they'd be cool with him
this is the stuff that disney tries to cover up
They no like the stabby stabby
The good stories Disney doesn’t want you to know about
^ This why Star Wars Legends needs to be continued and why more folks need to support the Star Wars Legends movement.
Why tho, better than their movie crap
StAr WaRs ShUoLd bE KiD FrIeNdLy
hate is "not the jedi way" yet these fools hate the sith. As papa palpatine would say: "ironic"
They let the hate flow through them
...The legacy of the Jedi: failure, hypocrisy & hubris exemplified by this bunch
@@schnarre0 and the sith are no different
the Jedi asserted themselves as altruistic and moral, blinded by their own arrogance and tradition. They failed to better themselves and their order. Their justified their actions with talks of peace. Honestly, they deserved their own destruction and Luke did a good thing by incorporating balance. Having strictly one side, light or dark, will blind you and will ultimately lead to your destruction.
@@jakealter5504 Well they aren't hypocrite about that, they completely embrace their emotion and their moto of might make right, it's frightening in real world, but in fiction it's pretty cool
“Master, are you here to promote me to the rank of Jedi Knight?”
*Ignites lightsaber*
“Here’s a hint.”
A Crazy Sheep Dog In fairness, Masters ignited their sabers for knighting ceremonies too
You ruined my joke now Grievous, you truly are so uncivilized.
Idk why, but I just imagined the Jedi turning into a gun and shooting the padawans.
*Padawans get killed*
"Will there be any other padawans who wish to become Jedi Knights?"
@@zero312 *shaking in fear* "uhhh.... No?"
Too bad for the Jedi covenant, Zayne became so famous that he had a space station named after him
I literally shop and upgrade my weapons and armor there...
@@danielshaw2473 don’t worry, I do too
@@danielshaw2473 impostor
And the ironic thing is, Anakin didn't kill his padawan. Oh how ANGRY that makes him, every time he hears it.
@Righteous Like what?
@Righteous He's making a joke while remaining on topic and harmlessly entertaining his own sense of humor. I don't see any problem here.
@Righteous it fits the level of drama in the star wars universe
@Righteous and you are the first one to judge
@Righteous and that what makes the light from your comment go away, let people make jokes in peace
I don’t like the term “anakined”
It sounds... sandy.
It's a rough and course term, wouldn't want it to get everywhere too.
@@rootintootinnewton but it does
And it makes Pedme sad
@@absinthefandubs9130 Please cut the guy a break. If he hates sand, that's fine with me.
So if anyone kills their padawan it would be like “ oh he pulled a anakin”
*i like that*
Oh not another Anakin!
Geetsly's “uh oh lil jimmy got anakined”
And if any Jedi marries, they pulled a Bindo.
The term itself makes sense, but it is quite sad.
Why would it when Anakin didn’t even exist? Wasn’t even born
A classic tale of self fulfilling prophecy. Like Master Oogway said:
“One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it.”
Dude this is a legit kickass story, I could see a game being made from this storyline
Fingers crossed 🤞
i wish! but it's probably too dark, too story driven and not got enough room for monetization for EA/Disney
@@ahrixxoxo1698 your right
Would be a short game though.
@@rs2sensen830 Not really, ut would probably be fairly long actually with all the story it has to go through and then the fighting and such. It would be a fairly linear storyline but would be fairly awesome.
Chad Old Republic Jedi > Virgin New Republic Jedi
Which new republic you are refferring legends or Canon version?
@@gamerpro9809 Canon. In terms of the old Canon (legends) it was on equal footing with the Old Republic.
“They hated the sith with a passion”
*IRONIC*
It certainly is
Intentionally so.
Anakin just became a VERB
We seen how many people complain how you must be strong in the force to be a great Jedi. This story was to establish how you don't need to be strong in the force to be a great Jedi.
*cough rey cough*
Zayne was strong in the Force it just that his abilities manifested as a bizarre form of luck that was at once good and bad, as Zayne himself once put it ''the Force doesn't want me dead, it doesn't want me happy either'' also Lucien Draay was a bad teacher. One of Luke's students a kid named Uldir Lochett had the same ability and might have been a descendent of Zayne.
@@lordnorj It's been a while since I've read it but pretty sure his ability wasn't combat related which is why he was seen as weak.
Legends: Jedi commit atrocious actions like exterminating the Sith pureblood, killing their own padawans and kidnapping children.
Disney: JeDi arE tHe bEsT, SItH the wORst.
In my opinion, there's no one worse than pretend good guy. Like the jedi. They pretend they're the "good" guys yet they fucked up so many lives.
I think Disney was trying to do The Grey Jedi/Grey Force User stuff with the Vindu in Rebel and the Movie where they talk about how the Jedi must end. They were not doing "JeDaI tHe BeSt".
The Jedi also are peacekeepers but decide to act as generals in a galactic war and abandon their ideals for “peace”
In the case of exterminating the sith, the Jedi actually didn’t want to but were forced to by the supreme chancellor during the great hyperspace war
@@jakealter5504 Don't forget during the war with the Sith, the Sith Lord blow up a few Sun destroying a few solar system and genocide a number of planet. People tend to down play this a lot or not even mention it so that the Jedi would look even worse. So what did they expect to happen after doing all that.
It's things like this that make the Jedi look like a crazy bunch of religious zealots.
Look at what anti fascists do
'On this channel we specialize in the dark truths of the swu... We have only scratched the surface' I pledge myself to your teachings
It's almost like, there's a Galaxy worth stories?!! Who would have thunk it
“Do you want to hear more of this era?” YES YES YES YES YES YES YES! The kotor comics are my favorite series and I’ve waited forever for someone to cover them cause they get no love.
Lucien Draay’s story is one of the best in Star Wars
His Padawan's story was the best.
Jedi killing their younglings cold blooded is very sociopathic and very immoral thing to do since the younglings are innocent plus you can't trust versions or take versions grain of salt since versions are pretty unclear and it doesn't explain the events lead up to the version.
Do you mean vision, not version?
@@rootintootinnewton I think he means Verizon
@@masterxicon2453 yea, you're right.
That's probably why they didn't want the rest of the Order to know. They crossed a line but convinced themselves it was necessary, a convenient lie anyone would call them out on.
@@Avenger85438 in other words they were committing a sinful act for the sake of the "greater good." And that's very flaw of Jedi order. Also they are the true definition of anti-life. And could never take into consideration the human mind set. Or take a moment to think about their actions having more repercussions then they know.
Please do more videos on large scale warfare, just discussing 'strategies' stuff!
@Sleezie Delo Thank you, friend! May the force be with us and Geetsly's reads this comment!
Also the Jedi Covenant succeeded,
One of their agents, Celeste Morne (i think thats the spelling) was put in a stasis pod and awoke in the Legacy era, and helped a skywalker descendent defeat the Sith yet again.
In my opinion the moment the Jedi Order failed the galaxy. Was when they abandoned or exile their former padawans and follower of Bogan from their homeworld. Which created the very evil they sought to destroy and remember the Jedi were the first to attack first and start the flames of war. Because the followers of Bogan/dark Jedi were minding their own business. They weren't against the Jedi order in any type way. They had their own place to doing as they please, without the Jedi watching their move.
And don't get me started on the Republic. The Jedi order should've never ally with them in the first place. They have just stay as a "force-user organization" with their own community. Without getting involved with the affairs of the galaxy.
I just realized assassin's Creed and star wars have a very similar ideals, neither of the sides a good just different ideals clashing causing unnecessary loss of life. Just one is portrayed worse than the other.
Half the Covenant where one degree from being Prong Krell, not true Jedi. The other half misguided or blinded by manipulation.
In their attempt to prevent their deaths, they ended up causing them……who could have seen that coming?
And they didn't even come remotely close to stopping the Sith Lord the vision warned them about.
1:52 well they were obviously terrible at their job.
In the right hands this story could be a solid 8 part live action series.
How many times has "a group of Jedi dedicated to stop the return of the Sith fucked it up" lead to the actual return of the Sith?
The sad thing is that Q'anilia took her life without realizing the truth...
Jedis Actived Anakin mode.
It’s because they all had green lightsaber cough cough yellow and purple blade gang
Jedi masters do something bad with kids and the jedi council just shuffles them around?
Zayne was framed for the murder charges, and Council brought that tale completely. Only Tokare conducted an investigation on his own.
Zayne will always be my favourite expanded universe character!
I was wondering if you were going to mention these masters when you mentioned this situation in your video the other day.
Ironic. The Jedi Covenant sought to destroy the Sith if they ever returned, but Instead destroyed themselves
Only one correction. Haazen took. Remote control of the Republic fleet where Xamar had been assigned and was killed by his "allies"
The sad thing is that the Covenant wanted tae wait for Zayne to return before they slaughtered the padawans. The reason they had to jump straight to the murder was that the Padawans figured out something was wrong, because they knew there was no way Zayne could be knighted. They had no faith in him whatsoever.
Those were his friends and classmates, and what saved Zayne was that they saw him as a failure.
And yes, The Masters told him.
oh, so basically they caused self-fulfilling prophecies?
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it" -Master Oogway
"One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it..."
- Master Oogway, Kung Fu Panda
Prime example of the Jedi code being dumb creating there own downfall
The Senate approves of these jedis.
And Raana Tey fell because of Kyndra's Prophecy of Five
Killing students before they can kill you. Are we sure these guys weren't secret Sith?
LOL.
It's almost like trying to murder your jedi padawans is either gonna lead them or you down the dark path. Who would have seen this coming?
I love this story a lot but I think disney made it non canon
Master Draay, there are too many of them, what are we go- *Lightsabers go STAB STAB*
Keep the good work coming
Thanks man
Zayne Carrick is one of my favs very underrated
It’s no wonder Sidious won so easily. He let the Jedi destroy themselves. Order 66 was a mercy killing.
Yea dark things happen in the old republic
So close to being first comment, yet so far
Sorry
Ah! I am late!
I didn’t even know what the video was about
@@GBR481 😀
@@GBR481 No prob bro
To be truthful, the Jedi covenant misinterpreted the vision they had as if you read and view it again with thoughtfulness you can see that it was a potential fate that would have befallen the covenant had they no lingered fear the with as much as they had and not had been to fanatical and pious towards their Jedi teachings then they would have lived and all that death would have been prevented. But due to their failure of twisting the Force’s will with their own views on it they and the Jedi would not believe in prophecies like Anakin’s destiny in bringing true balance to the force like destroying or changing the Jedi and Sith orders for the betterment of the Galaxy.
"So you are a Jedi and hate the Sith? I thought Jedi were taught not to hate, so much for the tolerant Order" - Palpatine. Founder, Turning Point Galactic Empire
An this is why Yoda always said, the future is always in motion. They brought this shit all on them selves
Hello there
Jedi: *commit pre-meditated mass murder*
Also Jedi: "You just can't have parties anymore."
Yeah Jedi don't have a great record
Almost all of these Jedi doing bad stuff got writen after the Knights of the Old Republic game, the game sort of inspire people to make the Jedi not as good. Eventually people were just adding more negative stuff then good. Like for almost forever they were good guys till they strated to added all the negative stuff to them as a way of subversion.
@@Underworlddream will the Jedi are the definition of anti-life. So course it is going to have flaws.
Seeing as how this took place thousands of years before order 66 it would be more accurate to say Anakin pulled a covenant.
(Darth Sidious watching this video)
Wait their Jedis. Now I'm much more disgusted
The covenant lost due to an obsession with a fate they caused. It was deadly self-fulfilling prophecy that killed off a lot of people.
So, basically they were extremist jedi who took visions way too seriously.
Mackenzie Bauroth Yes
@Mackenzie Bauroth "Always in motion is the future" - Yoda to Luke, they really fucked up Luke...
_The Padawans were not the Sith Lords..._
_2 Sith Lords remain..._
I hate to ruin this joke.
I really do, it's a funny pun, but...
there were A LOT more Sith Lords hiding in the Unknown Regions at that time.
:(
The Jedi Covenant suffered an ironic fate.
They literally died as they had foreseen.... while trying to prevent their deaths. Looks like they pulled a DOUBLE Anakin! Killed padawans AND failed to stop their visions by trying to stop their visions.
You'd think the covenant would know this if they were so a good at foresight. But no!
greivous in the afterlife: “ At least I never killed younglings”
The Jedi Covenant was probably worse than Darth Vader. There's an honesty in Vader's ruthlessness, whereas the Covenant was formed by cowards, liars, pampered idiots and murderers.
They deserved their fate.
They did WHAT?!
Draay Lucien: I took a calculated risk but man am i bad at math!!!
Jedi arrogance
Talk about a self- fulfilling prophecy
Red kinda sus
I remember reading about this a long time ago but wasnt sure if it was real or not. So glad its proof the jedi are terrible
One's future is determined by their actions in the present.
How you gonna kill your students thats just cold
Where is da early squad?!
Lucien was Darth Sion, no? I remember a line on the comic “I name you Sion because your destiny is pain” (maybe It’s not exactly this, I read the comic a long time ago)
I bought these comics when they were first released, I completely forgot about their existence. Huh, thanks for reminding me of that weird part of my life
I think I have almost the entire run just missing a couple comics to complete it. Same with Star Wars Legacy almost have the entire run of that too.
They also got played worse then Anakin ever did. ❤️ this series.
I never thought anakin would become a verb
I definitely wanna know more from this era
If only they turned this into a tv show.
New verb - _to Anakin_
Meaning:
_To slaughter a large amount of helpless individuals, usually children_
Usage:
Woah, Joe came back from work, saw his kids break his LEGO Star Wars: Clone Wars ultimate collector series Ventor class Republic attack cruiser, and straight up Anakined them!
Ok
The title is something 😂
Dark story, or a comedy of errors?
Anakin'd? More like Luke'd. Yeah, Anakin did that first, but this situation is more like Luke's, just going by a vision that wasnt clear.
Hell, at least Luke was sure it was Ben. These Jedi only saw *one* mysterious figure & didnt see that person's face.
I thought this would end with Zayne being the one that turned, making the vision coming true, their fault like Ben turning being Luke's fault. But no, he did not turn.
How tf arent the Grey Jedi Order a thing in the new canon, or never fully were in the old canon(at best, come Jedi tread the line like Qui-Gon, Mace & even Dooku) when Jedi did shit like this?
Live this description "Anakined"🤣🤣🤣😜
Sooo self fulfilled prophecy
I love the Zayne Carrick stories! It was available in our library in omnibus format (missing the middle volume tho oof)
I heard about this before.
Ah they were looking for the Return of the Sith but they should have been looking for the Revenge of the Sith. That’s where they went wrong
I know KOTOR isn't canon anymore, but I couldn't help but think of these guys when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan discuss the dangers of prophecies in the Master and Apprentice novel.
The Clone Wars!Anakin Skywalker :
*_“How Many Other Lies Have I Been Told By The Council?”_*
Arguably my fav SW comic series! Fantastic story with awesome characters! Such depth and so many twists and turns! A very diffrent Jedi Order then we saw in the prequels and EU material.