When Rock Bands And Pop Artists Need To Shut Up!
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- Hey Everyone!
Ok, here’s a different kind of video for you!
When you go to a concert, do you go to listen to the music, or tirades from the artist themselves? Are you tired of celebrities of all sorts constantly raving on and on about things they haven’t got a real clue about?
Then this video is for you! I cover two examples of when, once in film, and once live, the Rock oriented act went too far! Way too far!
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BTW: The Video proper starts at: 2:10
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Michael Noland
The Bottom Line
Hey Michael. That was insightful. I always, and I mean always, dismiss any preaching from artists or actors. As you say: "Who are you to tell me!" Now it goes without saying, if the preaching is valid I might well take it onboard but on the whole I do find that an elevated status often achieved by a celebrity makes them think they have a right to spout off! Hey Ho! Oh yeah and thank you so much for the shour out! Much appreciated.
Hey Tudor!
Yeah, as long as someone makes sense, and doesn’t ram it down my throat, I can at least entertain many different point of views!
My views are no more valid than yours or anyone else’s! But I, like you and everyone else can still raise an objection or two!😉
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine its called free speech Michael. I'm actually shocked you don't support the right to free speech, although usually when people complain about famous people speaking out, it generally means they don't agree with what they've said, rather than when they said it.
Just a different point of view + it is his channel and he can do what ever he wants to. If you don’t like it well you are free to not agree also
@@flaviopitanga65 I hope that wasn't addressed to me. I'm pretty sure I never said Michael wasn't entitled to express his opinion....... just like famous people are entitled to express their opinion.
It's just a shame people like Michael think it's free speech for them, but limited speech for those who they don't agree with.
Yes I remember the day when I couldn't take it anymore and took His CD s out in the street and smashed them with a hammer.
Not the Boss just another democrat hack job.
As Ricky Gervais might say, play yer music, bow, take yer money and phuck off
Having an opinion is fine. It’s trying to silence people with dissenting opinions that’s the issue.
Yes, that's a real problem in this day and age.
Nicely put, yeah it's a mental disease now!
@@sharonjensen3016 it's always been a problem, ever since humans had opinions, love how people ignore that and think that this is a new sort of thing. PMRC or Reagan wankers banning books and other stuff
@@firesideshats #Truth
I used to be a massive U2 fan. I have been to a couple of amazing concerts in my life time. However heard a few of Bono's rants and found it just put me off. Seemed too much of a hypocrite.
Yeah I think it really hurt his reputation when he decided he was not just a rock star, but a savior of the world. Turned a lot of people off. I think he got the message though. I haven't seen him trying to stick his nose in world affairs in quite a while.
@@stevecarey2030 Apart from Ukraine, of course.
Exactly. In the end, all his "campaigns" were only pro Bono.
Bono is the official rock star of the deep state/illumimati. You'll never hear Bono call for an end to human trafficking.
Agreed. I have seen them about 4 times and no more . They join the list of Neil Young and The Loss
It’s ticks me off when the artists preach on climate and then jet off on their private gas guzzling jet.
Listen, it needs to be overall systemic change. A person flying has little impact. The entire system of transportation needs to be made sustainable and as clean as possible, but the wealthy who invest or run fossil fuel companies don't want that.
There probably on the same jet as Kenneth Copeland.
I’m a firm believer in that lead singers ( especially during a rock concert ) shouldn’t be so open with political related comments. The fans really don’t want to be preached to after paying for high priced tickets. They just want to hear the music.
Speak for yourself. I like to know where people are coming from, whether I agree with them or not.
Yeah, many people dont like the idea of musical artists expressing their right to free speech. Funnily, they are often the same people who go on about having the right to free speech the most.
Your into cancel culture then … funny those banging on about freedom of speech don’t like it when they disagree !
@@fclefjefff4041 surely you can figure that out through their lyrics. I assume you are intelligent enough to appreciate subtlety…
@@pablohanc Pablo, let me set you straight. You have the right to run down the street and tell everyone in sight you just pooped your pants. The question here isn’t whether you have the right to do so; the question is whether you should choose to do so, whether it is beneficial to you personally, for your business, brand, etc. The same applies when Bono has self-righteous and condescending verbal diarrhea about his political views during a show. I hope this helps you understand better.
I worry more about politicians and the government trying to tell me what to do or think. I REALLY don’t care what actors or musicians have to say about any topic…
Cheap Trick released a new album in March of 2021. It debut at #1 and got good reviews. Then in an interview they said that some of the songs reflected their disdain of Donald Trump and his policys. Suddenly the albums sales which were good plummeted. It was pointed out that a large portion of their fans were Trump supporters. Don't say anything that might piss off your fan base.
Every artist has to decide how much of their personal politics to put out there. If you do that, you're always going to alienate a certain portion of your audience. If it's important enough to you, you'll do it regardless. Evidently, Cheap Trick felt it was important enough to speak their minds. Pearl Jam, Bruce Springsteen, & Roger Waters haven't shied away from their feelings, either, and they've done just fine. I think they understand that the majority of their fans are intelligent, people who are well-capable of critical thinking who get their message. There's also the bonus of possibly changing some hearts and minds. That makes it well-worth it to me.
@@colico14 Absolutely, there is a reason Idon't listen to Nugent, Kid Rock and most Country. They can go kill some beer cans. It sounds better.
These people are full of themselves and think everything coming from them is pure gold.A total lack of self awareness.
Theyre honest. Trumps a dick.
In America, we do have free speech, which lets these artists (on both sides) have the freedom to say what they think. However, we as the audience also have the choice whether to support them for their beliefs or not. If you like an artist, yet everything they say goes against the grain of your personal beliefs, it is your choice whether you choose to support them further. You have that free will to ignore what they have to say, and not listen or support them ever again, or embrace the message they are putting across, and back them even more for it.
Then there’s the fact that over time, people’s positions change, and a message you may have been behind 10 years ago may not be the case now. Your own beliefs can be shaped by the influence of others, it is up to you to control how much that happens, and to agree or disagree as you choose.
I agree 100%. Take it from the Alice Cooper song on his latest album Detroit Stories. Just shut up and Rock!!!
Alice still rules. His live shows, newer albums, and voice are still in tact. Amazing performer.
Alice has had his political moments.
Hi Michael, I actually saw George Harrison with Ravi Shankar at the Denver Colosseum for $8.00 back in the 70’s. He played 3 sets with Ravi in the middle and lasted an easy 3 hours. The only Beatle I’ve ever seen live. But wow, I remember it vividly 😁
My ticket price for Paul McCartney Wings Across America at Madison Square Garden in NYC in 1976 was $8.50.
My brother had a $5 ticket for the Hollywood Bowl with The Doors, Steppenwolf and the Chambers Brothers
Billie Joe Armstrong of Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Bruce Springsteen and the douche of all douches Bono all come to mind.
Yep, they have no subtlety. They try to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Love McCartney but the only time he falls down is when he occasionally preaches practices, ironically something he once criticized Lennon for doing.
In the 2010s, he used to have these propaganda ads against eating animals and I skipped those as soon as the over dramatic music and green screen guilt montages of animal cruelty pop up
How could you leave out Bruce Springsteen? Maybe he doesn't do it explicitly in concerts, but he has in at least a few songs. he definitely uses his musical platform to spew his political beliefs
Do you feel the same way about the two trash “artists” Kid Rock and Fake Patriot Ted Nugent?
Springsteen is a woke pos
Springsteen is a huge phony with Communist tendencies. Boycott!
It is OK to put in in a song.. It just gets boring when they go on long political speeches.
Putting politics into songs is absolutely fine (as is ranting on stage, its called free speach). The protest song has long been a staple of music.
AMEN brother. I go to escape the madness, not have it thrown up on me.
You and I are the same wavelength, Mark!👌👍❤️
Been a musician and my motto is “ just shut up and play”
I believe that was shouted out at "Bono" at a concert !!
For me, music is entertainment. To forget about all that is problematic for a while, to come together for a time. I am fully capable of critical thinking, and deciding for myself my beliefs and values.
Oh frierich, I couldn’t agree more! Amen to critical thinking! 😉👍✌️👌❤️
Having seen the state of the world, there's a hell of a lot of people not capable of critical thinking. In the USA for example, a country clearly devoid of a large number of critical thinkers. If it was, the democrats and the republicans wouldn't get within a mile of power. 2 political parties that don't represent the majority of the people (ie everyone), but just a few at the top.
I’m with you Michael. I’ve never understood alienating your audience just to push a personal agenda. Forget the politics of it, it’s just bad business. And sadly, we are getting more of that than ever these days. Thank you so much for the mention btw! So appreciated.
My point exactly! It’s not what someone believes! Like I said, it’s letting everyone else have that same right, by not misusing whatever platform they have, as if that platform magically makes them superior!
And of course regarding the mention, my pleasure!
@@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine I have a hard time understanding how an artist having a particular political persuasion and being vocal about it bothers you. I like artists that are both liberal and conservative, because to me it's about the music and not their beliefs. The world has really changed when it comes to disagreeing politically, and I don't understand it. It used to be Democrats and Republicans could discuss politics civilly, agree to disagree, and move on but still be friends. Now it's as if you have to hate anyone who disagrees with you.
Its called passion.
It's called free speech guys. They are as entitled as anyone else to express their opinions.
They are also entitled to be smart enough to know they're mostly buffoons who shouldn't speak on topics they know nothing about
Absolutely agree. I go to be entertained not preached to.
Separation of church and concerts, Clive! I coulda swore it was somewhere in the constitution!😉
Ughhh, entertained, often equates to mindlessness.
Sorry guys, I'm gonna say bull$hit on this. If you believe in free speech, then they have the right to say what they think.
@@pablohanc but not in a music concert, turd. fans pay to hear music
@@dextervortexsungte5348 you either believe in free speech or you don't. It's not "free speech as long as it's done in a place I'm ok with".
My man Neal Schon said it best "For God's sake, music and politics don't mix. No band should push their personal agenda. We're there for the music."
So then he fired 2 of his bandmates for having the wrong politics.
@@mrman487 exactly!
Tell Bob Dylan that. Artists should do what they want. If it bothers you dont go. And guess what, just cause they say it, you dont have to obey...
@@mrman487 how petty, sacking people for having political beliefs he considered wrong politics.
The very fact that Neal Schon is your "man"... I dunno, it's a little wonkish.🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃😅🦃
I don't mind an artist offering an opinion on something. What's absurd is when they, or their fans, automatically think it's more significant that any other.
Yes!People take celebritie's words as if it was the word of God!Kin of ironic since a lot of celebrities are atheists!
@@christineobrien7707 a lot of non celebs are atheists as well. Why wouldn't they be?
I could give a shit what ANY celebrity has to say!
For me it is easy...In general ,there has been ,almost NO decent music produced since 1995!!
For me the cut off is 2001 when garage rock revival hit as a last hoorah of rock. Been mostly dead ever since. Late 90s still had some decent music coming out.
Great content Michael.
Musical artists should just play their music and not use their musical platform for anything but music. Plain n simple...
Musical artists should whatever the fuck they please with their musical platform, goober 😄
Yes wish Ted Nugent would shut his racist sexist mouth and do us all a favour .. it was people like Nugent you mean right ?
I saw Springsteen in San Jose years ago when he started talking about the trickle down theory of politics is not trickling down to everyone. A few people booed, then more and more booed until Bruce stopped talking. He looked at Little Steven and said something like "Get me outta this" and they broke into a song. A good job by the audience of shutting off his political crap.
This video just found its way into my recommended list so I gave it a try...I like what I heard. Now I've gotta check out some more of your content with the hopes that I like it as much as I do this one. Keep on keepin' on.
Thanks for the recommendations I’ll check them out. As always, great content.
Hey Michael, you make me ROFLMAO. You've nailed your opinion (& mine) right on the head. You're 100% right about everything you say. Thank you so much for brightening up my day!!!
They think they can be musicians and politicians at the same time. It never works. 👍👍👍
Absolutely, Roy! Do your job and play! I’ll decide my own politics, dude! Play the riffs I cant play, and leave me to decide the important aspects of MY life!😉👌
I actually do know politicians who are also musicians though.
Ok ... You got me on this one ! Very interesting topic. J, as j can, allways tell my public after the show to be careful and vigilent on the road back home. It questions me sometimes on the role of an artist while he or her gets full attention. J strongly beleive in tales, or at least, the way they take you off the ground. This is for me the main target in the construction of my shows. But j'm also a truck driver, j have been on roads for decades and know in my bones what it is to lose somebody you care for in a split second. J can't help saying it to basically everyone ... Could this be preaching ? Great channel, by the way, you keep Rock Music alive !
I love your channel! You don't mince words and I like that! You were talking about other reaction-type channels of current bands. Do you ever watch 'The Professor of Rock?' If I'm not mistaken, he seems to talk mostly about artists from the past. He did a really insightful video about Benny Mardones who sang 'Into the Night.' I was in tears by the end. Keep up the good work!
I was never offended by what Ravi said. It seemed more of a suggestion to me. What a great set too.
My hunch is that when an artist achieves some measure of success some of them get inflated egos and think they know best about everything, not just their art. And related to that, in this age of social media everybody thinks they need to make their opinions known to the world. Not playing holier than thou; I've been guilty of this in the past. These days I tend to keep my opinions a lot more to myself.
Ain't this the truth! It get's to the point where I can't even listen to frigging Springstein now, after he threw all his early supporters under the bus, and said he thought most of them were probably racist!--you know, all those hardworking midwestern fans who bought his music and gave him the very platform to kick them in the teeth!
The phenomenon has much to do with celebrity worship and people who mistake actors and musicians like Frida Kahlo, Marilyn Monroe, and John Lennon for gods, goddesses, and avatars. I'll admit that I consider Duane Allman to be an avatar but that's completely based on what he did on those guitars. Coltrane may have been an avatar as well. The bottom line is that our favorite artists were/are human-just like us-and were/are capable of being both wise and monumentally stupid. The smartest celebrities are those who don't confuse their public persona with their private lives and my favorites are Keith Richards and Billy Gibbons. They both play great music, grin a lot, and don't try to tell us what to think or do.
This is the video that made me sub! Right On Brother! Right On!
I remember the Neil Young show where the old guys walked out because he was singing about George W.🤣
I’m glad you gave us examples of people that went to far.
Joe Perry said it best, "Let The Music Do The Talking".
I agree with you. I love James Taylor but he started voicing his politics one concert and it was definitely a shut up and play moment. My brother loved Bonnie Raitt but after her political rants at a concert he attended he hates her and never bought anything of hers again.
Over the years I've learned to play a TON of James Taylor's songs, and now he's seriously diminished himself in my view.
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Doesnt take much to upset you lot, does it. Snowflakes.
Yup saw James Taylor long ago in the 1990s at Jones Beach in NY. He suddenly started preaching his politics. My buddy and I literally walked out.
I agree and it's the same way with sports. I don't watch sporting events for athletes to tell me how to think. Thx for the video.
You may not believe me Michael but I am a distant cousin of George Harrison. This is a strange story. I was born in Springfield, MO in 1961 to a very musical family. My Father had his own radio show and played with Porter Wagoner, Red Foley, Tex Ritter (had lunch with him and 2 of his son's, one being John Ritter the actor in Nashville in 1972) and remember going to watch the Beatles on Ed Sullivan in 1964. I was hooked! So my older brother bought every Beatles record he could find. I learned how to sing harmonies by singing to John, Paul and George. Now for the really strange part. My Uncle did our family history in the early 70's and had found our family originally came from England. I remember thinking "wouldn't it be cool if we were related?" But I never gave it much thought until I happened to check out a book about the Beatles in 1998. That's where I read that George's Mother's maiden name was French. I told my brother about it and he started researching himself. In 2002 unfortunately after George died he found a connection. George's sister Louise had a Beatles cover band called Liverpool Legends who were based in Branson, MO so he got ahold of her. After telling her what he had found they met at a show in Tulsa, Oklahoma and she confirmed we were indeed related. I didn't meet her until 2006 but we had some great visits and I even got to get on stage with the band. She is getting older but still alive as far as I know at this writing. I'm friends with his nephew on Facebook but I've talked to him in person many times. I started playing drums when I was 8 but switched to guitar by 9 because I wanted to write my own music. I never became famous and I never wanted to but I played my butt off in bands and had some regional success but we were always doing covers. I only wanted to be a songwriter and sit back in anonymity and collect royaty check's. But people kept pushing me so I finally got in a studio in Nashville on Music Row in 2000 and made a 3 song demo. My producer shopped it around and I was supposed to play on MTV Spring Break. Just a 45 minute set but that would have put me in the spotlight. I had 30 days to get a band together but I couldn't find a bass player who could keep his stuff together and leave drugs alone and I had to cancel. I eventually got an offer out of Australia for a million dollars for a 10 song album then I was supposed to tour Asia, Europe and then come back to the State's and play warm up for better known acts on a college tour. That's where I found the evil in the modern music business and I didn't sign the contract and made a lot of people mad because they wanted some of my money. I don't regret my decision for a second. I just have a couple of small UA-cam channels and I'm not trying to stream or anything. I write all over the place. Some Rock, some Country, some just off the wall stuff. I can send a link if you want to hear some raw 4-track original music. It's rough bc I played all the instruments myself except for the one Nashville song and the vocal mix is rough but I own the DAT tape. Finally I'm so happy to have found your channel. I just found it and subscribed last week. It's my favorite UA-cam channel! Love what you're doing! ♥️☮️🎶🎶
Many of us have strong convictions and I will say everyone has a right to their opinion, however I'm not in favor of using the stage as a soapbox. Fans are there for the show and one artists opinion is not any more important than anyone else's. In many cases the fans take time off from work, sometimes drive hours and drop money on a hotel room to see you. We are in it for way more than the price of a concert ticket and maybe a band shirt. If you happen to alienate them they will not be back.
I was at a concert, and everyone was on their feet having a great show. then they brought up her feelings toward the president and everyone booed and sat down.
No you werent.
My STFU list- Springsteen, Bono, and top of the pile ? The ultimate megalomaniac ROGER WATERS.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Bono.
Well said. That is why I listen to artists who only challenge themselves musically.
I am 100 percent with you in this point!!!!
If an artist’s music speaks prominently to social, political, environmental issues, etc, you should expect that there will be commentary from the artist about those issues during the concert. You bought your ticket, you get the artist…music, words, feelings, and opinions
Exactly, music is the expression of that person performing. If they don't like it, stay home.
When the IRA told Bono to keep his mouth shut, he did
Wise decision🙄
Michael thank you for speaking common sense and truth.
Celebrities need to be told to STFU AND entertain us like you're paid to do.
Abso-freakin’-lutely, gtg!👌❤️👍😉
Screw entertaining. Artists need to express. Entertainment is a corporate mindset, devalues everything for a buck.
Not shutting up has had a real negative effect on u2, springsteen and roger waters, reduced as they are to selling out stadiums almost exclusively on their world tours.
There is a difference between entertainers and artists, or you could say people are entertained by many different things, and it seems many want to see artists who speak their mind. Maybe they agree?
One of the worst mistakes I made was to follow some of my favorite current artists on Twitter. You think they're preachy at their shows? Oh, man! "I write songs, so I'm an expert on everything!!!"
When I go to concerts, I expect to hear music and not political or social preaching. Even if I agree with what the artist is saying, I still wish they'd shut up and get on with the music.
When I attended concerts, I expected to hear great music, not be targeted and harassed because of my race. Apparently, that’s a thing with some artists.
My favourite albumn of all time, "song remains the same." My second favorite albumn, "kind of blue" miles davis. They both breath and float as masters do.
Wonderful recommendation with Miles, Rick!👌
Agree. No preaching. If an artist wants to put his/her message across it should be done in a subtle, artistic way through the song. But then again, in an unimposing way. Whether the message will be accepted or not, it's up to the audience.
let's face it, celebrities in general are not the sharpest crayons in the box. I could care less what they say and think.
Right! How dare Ravi or anyone express concern for us...they should play their music and take the money and run...and we will be happy!
Wow, Michael, what a comment! I‘m glad to be not the only one with that opinion. Sometimes I love the music of someone and I must say generally, the more I like it the less I know about a musician as a private person. I‘m not interested in his or her political or moral standards and I definitely don‘t want to know if anyone has got an exotic illness. That all changes the reception of the music, which is not helpful at all. And that, by the way, is valid since the pop artists had names like Beethoven and Mozart!
I agree about an actual concert. You didn’t buy a ticket to be preached to. However, if an artist has a platform in their capacity as a private citizen, I think it’s their right to say what they want…..and if what they say offends you, then don’t watch their channel….or visit their Facebook page……
Exactly! I did mention that if asked, say what you believe! But to just open your mouth and use your newly-found platform as well as a newly-found ego, to Blah Blah Blah, that gets my goat every single time! Thanx, W!
Oh, they can do it, but it's usually not particularly prudent, business-wise.
@@TheRealDrJoey yep, being so open with his opinions has really effected bono. Hes now reduced to almost exclusively performing in sold out stadiums, all over the world. Him expressing his opinions has clearly destroyed his career. His band mates must hate him for destroying their careers.
@@pablohanc I suppose you're being sarcastic, and frankly I've never paid any attention to Bono one way or another, but I do know that many of the artists that I really liked, I like a lot less, now that I know how benighted their politics and thinking in general is. Examples: Roger Waters and his virulent Jew-hatred, James Taylor sucking up to the Democrats, and, most painful, Paul McCartney a Hillary supporter. There are more, but you get the idea...Oh, wait, you probably don't.
@@TheRealDrJoey ? Oh dear son. Roger waters doesnt hate jews. He hates israeli policies towards the palestinians, that's not the same thing son. And when exactly did Roger waters express Jew hatred in one of his concerts?
But, we've established from the 3 examples you give, your objection isn't to musicians expressing opinions. It's to musicians expressing opinions you dont agree with.
Basically, we can thank John Lennon for starting this "celebrity thinking they are an authority on something" nonsense. But then again, we can blame most modern problems on the idiots of the 60's. I know, I grew up during that era and even as a kid thought that Lennon was a jerk for his activism.
IMAGINE what a jerk he was for preaching peace.
@@israeldelrio Exactly! I wonder what modern problems this guy wants to blame on "idiots" from the 60's?
@@gregbailey8253 The diminishing of family values, the me, me ,me generation, the normalisation of recreational drug use, sexual promiscuity and a refusal to take responsibility for ones own actions and the consequences thereof, casual violence, the permanent teenager who just won't grow up....................?
@@supercriceto An imperfect human being who was sadly assassinated in the prime of his life while providing a loving home to his second wife and son. You don't like the man, fine, but surely you cannot say you disagree with the message? This discussion is about artists not being "entitled" to express messages, so don't change the topic.
Rage Against The Machine comes to mind. That's their platform: calling out injustices and political BS. Rage fans know the messages they're getting. Not my thing, but I respect Rage's right to be their authentic selves in their music.
i love yur Utube channel. Best music channel on utube. keep on rockin
They say never meet your heros. I have a addendum to that. Never ,never and I mean never follow them on social media. During the pandemic, the war in Ukraine, Trump in office and the abortion laws you see these people just melting down. A lot of them spewing nonsense and talking about things that have no business talking about. Saying really mean stuff too. I have lost a lot of interest in bands and artist lately that were always preaching.
Most of these artists are owned, which is one reason why they rose to stardom. Which makes them influential. Which those that own them exploit to spread their propaganda. And when they stop preaching, they fade away. But they're so addicted to the limelight.
Celebrities used to have agent/handlers who taught them to keep their damn mouths shut. Now they seem to go out of their way to alienate as much of their fan base as possible. For example, I used to love Pink Floyd, but Roger Waters' virulent, caustic Jew-hatred has turned me off so hard I can't stand to listen to them anymore.
You nailed it! Greetings from Croatia 🇭🇷🤘
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Just checked out Anne De Franco. 1st time. Thanks. Mike. From Michael T Wyman and 99 rock duo in L.A.
Weekly Jam Night jammers 2013-2109 too. . Cheers!.
I am completely with you Michael. Their is NO correlation between musical talent and understanding and interpreting scientific data, geopolitical events, etc.. Mr. Armstrong of Green Day appears to be the latest of the useful idiots.
However, an artist, like any person, might have information and knowledge in a particular area that is useful in pointing you in a direction.
One thing about artists. For many of them their job is looking at the world and responding to what they see. They often research in areas people are too busy to. While they can be wrong, many also have had significant positive impacts.
Take someone like Frank Zappa, he was brilliant, and saw things many did not see.
Captain sensible often has a rant about anything & its normally quite funny too.
Jaz coleman also has a rant off too & i find it quite informative.
I agree 100% though I spend my time at concerts feeling the groove and looking for the girl with Betty Davis eyes
UA-cam “celebrities” are so amazing!!! I never miss the honor of being enlightened by the perspective of someone with a camera and a dream.
I have never heard of Ani DiFranco but if she wants to get her point across then fine. You're right about these stars preaching. I was brought up with 60's,70's and 80's music but after that i just couldn't get along with the other decades, sure there have been some classic hits but not my taste. I would like to make just 1 point though, when a singer or group-say the Rolling Stones for instance- reach a very old age then it's time to call it a day. Each of the group barring Charlie Watts who died old are reaching an age when all this dancing around on stage can bring on heart attacks. They've made enough money so while they still have their marbles, let them enjoy it. I do like your vids by the way and i too am a subscriber. Just keep them coming as i could listen to them all day.
I think Ravi took to heart the whole Bangladesh thing so he wanted everyone else to too, and the concert to not be just another pot smoking rock concert, so I kind of see where he was coming from, but yeah I see your side of it too
Thanx! I’m not saying that what he was saying was wrong. It was the setting, that’s all! Like I said everyone has an opinion, and if asked, I might be all ears!
But when I pay to see someone under already accepted social norms, that’s no when I want to be corrected!
But your point is well taken, and I learned a long time ago that I am only a majority of one! 🤙😉😇
Interesting bit about an artist who never had to "shut up."
There's a 1972 press conference Michael (on UA-cam) at the Hilton Hotel prior to his Madison Square Garden concert where Elvis Presley was asked by a female reporter what he thought of Vietnam war protestors.
Presley gave a preeminent answer. Neil Young & Bruce Springsteen obviously never learned this. Elvis never tipped his own hand because he stated he was just an entertainer.
He knew the value of not alienating his liberal or conservative audience. Both had $$, asses to fill seats & buy records. That was more paramount to Elvis than spewing his opinion/agenda if he had one.
I gained so much respect for him for having handled that question so well.
Was it a cop-out? No, I was in publicity at a major network in the 70s & entertainers need people to go to their concerts & movies, and buy their products -- that's their livelihood. They should always remain neutral in public. Becoming famous should not be a license to have a soapbox on subjects you may not be experienced with.
Bad publicity can harm a career for decades & tarnish a reputation. If you make a comment prematurely it could also make you appear fairly idiotic. Cher, Bette Midler & Barbra Streisand have no clue what they're talking about ever. Never mind their dislike of Trump, their idiocy is consistent. Frank Zappa, John Denver, and Ted Nugent -- come close to making sense or at least start a viewer thinking -- because they tread carefully.
You can make a statement indirectly as Elvis successfully achieved -- "If I Can Dream," clearly supported Martin Luther King, Jr. "In the Ghetto," was clearly a commentary on the inner-city. But none of it was controversial to the point of rendering Elvis a lunatic.
I wrote for No Depression & write now for Americana Highways. Your videos & topics are covered quite well & respectfully (because if you criticize you explain why, as you did with Rod Stewart). I hope you continue to produce them.
John right on with Elvis!
I couldn’t give a damn, anybody is entitled to an opinion and to be judged on it accordingly. If you perceive someone to be a fool and they open their mouth to put it beyond doubt, more the fool them. Their loss.
I agree! But when you pay to see them perform their material, and they turn it into an almost traveling medicine show, I just can’t help but feel, There’s Snake Oil to sold somewhere!😉✌️
I can't tell you how great it is to know I'm not the only one who gets jacked up when I hear celebrities preaching there opinions and actually telling us what to do and who vote for and so on. They haven't caught on that people with more than a two digit IQ would tell them to go do something unnatural to themselves.
Sucks to live in a free country where people are free to have an opinion isn't it.
@@dalemartell8639 = The aforementioned 2 digit IQ demographic
It depends. If an artist wants to let's say, energize young(er) people to vote, that's OK with me personally. Some may disagree. If someone else pushes a lifestyle choice, like the examples you highlighted, I will resist. I think some artists feel that they should use their bully pulpit to press their causes. They want to expose more people to whatever it is they're pushing. To me, it's a case by case basis.
I've always gravitated to artists that write about the issues of the day or social issues, not always but it's ok with me. I don't see it as preaching, just lett us know how they feel like they would do about any other subject. It makes me relate to them even more. Try not to look at it as preaching. Sometimes it's alerted me to something I didn't know or care about.
Great video! I saw Heart years ago in NC. They were very political. It was annoying. I just wanted to see and hear them play the set. It would be like going to a political debate and the politicians just talk music the entire time. I subscribed. I like your channel.
Now athletes are the same, preaching their political opinions when nobody asks them to. Do politicians play sports in debating chambers?
it not just musicians that need to quit ranting about their political views. other celebrities in the entertainment industry that need to shut up. I mean actors, Directors, Authors, Producers, Comedians, Journalist, and etc. no one gives a rat ass and they keep acting like people do give a rat ass by being arrogant and tone deaf. it obnoxious and annoying. what worst is the damn woke BS. I absolutely am so damn sick of the Woke mob shenanigans they shove down people's throat.
I go to concerts for the music and singers who want to preach about their opinions should go where people are protesting about something.
Total Agreement!
I agree wholeheartedly! Sing your song, play your guitar and perform! That's what I paid for. I'm hip, too many in the media and journalists will ask different artists their opinion on various subjects. I think we as the public are guilty of giving credence to their personal opinion, but when they're asked in a presser they should voice their answer openly. Two of my favorites were from Elvis and Charles Barkley.
During his stay in Vegas, circa 1968, he was asked about his views on the Viet Nam war. "Ma'am, I'm just a singer on stage. I'd rather keep my opinions to myself." The reporter continued, "Do you think other artists should also keep their own opinions silent?" Pressley's answer, "That's up to them." Subject dropped.
Barkley was traded to AZ from the Philadelphia 76ers, in 1985. At the time their Governor, Meechum, didn't recognize MLK Day as a paid-off holiday and was chastised for it. "As a Black man, how can you play in a state that doesn't celebrate MLK Day?" the reporter asked. "Ma'am, I'm an NBA player. I'd rather not say. Thank you." Unsatisfied with his answer she pressed and asked again. Sir Charles is not known for his subtleness responded, "Look! I'm a PROFESSION basketball player! I'd play for the KKK if they paid me enough!" Gotta love him!
Well said, Phil! Adding anything further would only muddy the waters! Thank You!👌
It's ironic you named your site "The Tribe." My daughter and I have made that claim in regard to our relationship. We are of the same tribe. Same warped sense of humor, likes and dislikes, music, etc...She's more of a Beatle fan than Zeppelin, but I love her just the same.
Dolly Parton is cool because she wouldn't tell a journalist who she voted for. She said that she has fans on both sides and didn't think it right to alienate them. Good for her.
I believe everyone has the right to speak their opinion. Whether I agree or disagree with their opinion is another story altogether. Just because a person is famous doesn't make their opinion more or less valid than anyone else's. But if you preach to me I'm less likely going to listen to your opinion. I believe in the freedom of thought and that everyone should value their own beliefs even if they don't always mesh with mine. Unless of course your beliefs are violent and someone could get hurt, in which case your beliefs are completely messed up.
I never got into politics until it affected me, which was you know when, but I remember hearing lots of talk about Bono saying or doing political things. I do not know what. I never really paid attention, but I always thought why would anybody care what a singer would say about politics? I love U2, but I hate it when..........oh.......it just hit me. I have been a HUGE Neil Young fan since I was a young teen. I am 56 now. He got one foot out the door with me when he tossed his wife out the door and then he pulled this Joe Rogan stuff out and he is done as far as I am concerned. I saw him 10 times and wish I had seen someone else.
I see certain artists who preach my opinions, but I see many who preach against. They are just as human as the rest of us and have the same rights as I do to state my beliefs. But as an artist myself I leave all that out because art should inspire and make you think, politics just divide
The worst offender to me has to be Bruce Springsteen.. I idolized this man back in the day.. It was bad enough then having to sit through his dopey memories of having a father that didn't understand rock n roll...Then Born in the U.S.A happened and it became a big political slam on Ronald Reagan who mistook the title song as a modern day patriotic anthem... The cover showed bad taste as well. Like -America blow me -And the back saying- America kiss my ass. ...
I know what you mean. Ted Nugent couldn’t shut up about politics and the audience kept yelling “shut up and play your guitar” the whole time.
A tough topic to take on... Clapton and Van Morrison have been criticized of late for their take on the lockdowns but to me speaking out and protest etc... has always been a part of rock n roll BUT... you're right it can all be a bit self righteous and preachy if not handled with some degree of self-awareness. 👍
Right on!
When we attended the Roger Waters' The Wall concert, during the performance of "Mother" he asks the question "Mother, should I trust the government?" and the projector flashes across the half-built wall the words "Fuck No!" I thought to myself that I don't need Roger Waters to tell me whether to trust the government or not, it was enough to ask the question.
Roger
Shut the hell up and go back to your filthy little island!
I personally enjoy Crosby, Stills & Nash (and sometimes Young) but I'm really fed up with their hypocritical bullshit and political propaganda. They're not brain surgeons or architects so just stick to the music and let me enjoy it.
Excellent discussion, may I offer you a quote I read from "Alice Cooper" that supports the opinion on Rock stars being political or ideologues .
Quote:
"When Musicians are telling people who to vote for, I think that's an abuse of power.
You're telling your fans not to think for themselves, just to think like you.
Rock N Roll is about freedom, and that's not freedom".
It’s hilarious to hear someone sharing their opinion and telling artist to shut up. Hilarious!
Eddie Vedder
Country loving libertarian here. Being preached to by an eccentric artist is a big turn off. Keep up the good work!
I'm with you 💯 on this Michael. Even if I actually like the music, I just can't stand that pretentious "everything sucks, and it's all someone else's fault" BS some acts put out there. Hollywood... don't get me started-- Gotta tip my hat to Mark Wahlberg, though...he called out his "peers" for their self-important preaching. .. even many he agrees with. It's an entertainer's job to entertain, not preach.
We pay our hard-earned cash to be entertained, not dictated to. Everyone has his or her own tastes, and it sure as ____ isn't up to someone who makes a living being the world's greatest at pretending to be sincere to decide for anyone else if they are "correct" or not, even if THEIR position is actually valid.(of course, it sometimes is) I believe we all deserve to get exactly what we pay for, not what someone else thinks we should get. I believe in "live and let live." I'm enough of a realist to know I'll just have to just love em for what they are rather than hate em for what they ain't. That's the kind of peace that lets me sleep at night.
The bottom line, I suppose, would be just "keeping it real." That and backing off and letting others decide what to do with their own lives.
Not one for free speech then mate?
@siralanlordsugarIf true, I am disgusted as well, but in my defense, I wasn't aware of any of that. I merely commented on something more recent about which I am aware. I guess I had gotten a little too preoccupied with the details of my own mundane existence. Please forgive my ignorance concerning every detail of the lives of our society's most vital and important citizens 😉. Then again you do give a clear example of the abuse of privilege far too many famous people seem prone to. These people are important, damnit, we must all listen to what they say, and protect their right to be heard above us.
@ted langille it's even more scary that there's people out there who want to deny free speech. "You can speak your mind..... but only where and when we say so".
Don’t have a problem with artists offering opinions or raising awareness about stuff.. you’re free to disregard it…