The TERRIBLE Trolls Sequel...
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We're back again after almost a year with our own breed of nightmare... another Trolls movie! This is the path DreamWorks has chosen, and boy does it continue to have a lot of issues. But hey, it revolutionized the industry for being a direct to streaming film in 2020, so let's see if it was worth such an accolade as we explore the world of Trolls World Tour...
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...Well. That was a thing. At the very least, it wasn't as bad as the ORIGINAL Trolls 2.... - Фільми й анімація
Of fucking course Hollywood executives would depict the most profitable music genre as the hero and the most anti-establishment one as the villain.
This is basically 100% false.
Poppy was a "Troll" in the first film, they never thought that far ahead.
Being a pop trolls is based on her name (she is called it from "Poppy Pink"so its unrelated to her genre at all) and the fact the first movie was mostly pop songs. They didn't know what Cooper war, the only non-"pop" Troll from the first film until this film.
This time, its a coincidence, I mean thy even said Branch was used as the basis for the Rock Trolls.
In early versions of the film everything was completely different except Barb, but please, give some respects here is is not 100% what you think, its that they basically set the president from the first film with the overuse of Pop songs and now have to go with it for the main character
Also having the guy who sang 'War Pigs' as one of the leaders of a group committing baby's first genocide
Exactly my point
I mean the plot twist was that the exact opposite was true
@@theindependant001 wait- they got OZZY FUCKING OSBOURNE?
"Friendship takes years of mutual respect"
Actually..the "villain" makes a very good point.
It gets even worse if you’re a introvert
@@DoodlingFreak yeah
@@DoodlingFreak as an introvert I can confirm
the """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""villain""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
@@DoodlingFreak or when you have extreme worry of what people will think when you do anything. And it’s great… 😀
I'm pretty sure someone already said this but anyway...
The fact K-Pop exists in the Trolls universe implies there's a Troll Korea, a Troll Korea likely implies Troll North and South Korea, two Troll Koreas imply there was a Troll Korean War, a Troll Korean War implies a Troll Soviet Union, a Troll Soviet Union implies a Troll Cold War, a Troll Cold War implies there was a Troll World War 2, and a Troll World War 2 implies there was a Troll Hitler
Does this mean there are J-pop trolls? If so, where are they now considering j-pop kinda died off back in the late 2000s.
And hitler wanted to kill all the jews
Where did the israelites piss the philistines in? Israel/Palestine
Who invaded Israel/Palestine? The roman empire. And what formed in the roman empire? Christianity.
And what do christians believe? They believe that jesus died for their sins
And since there is a troll roman empire, it means that there was a troll jesus
@@user-cx6lq8mt5g i think youre glossing over the implication of TROLL HITLER
hmm yes troll hitler
You think the pop trolls genocided the emo trolls
When she said "Friendship takes years of mutual respect." And I LOVE that honestly I wish she was more different like the villains go after the pop trolls because of what they have done which would've been EVEN better so much potential gone to waste
I like her too :D
Such wasted potential
Just like Infinite in Sonic Forces.
@@julyakacarrie6260 yes I dont know why they would remove her she did survive in the 1st movie then in the 2nd shes gone
My biggest annoyance with this movie was how classical was given like one and a half seconds of screen time because they didn't think anyone cared about it.
They were actually the cutest trolls in the whole movie! If I was a kid now, I would definitely choose them over anyone else
Classical music is absolutely wonderful. Some of my favorite songs (or, rather, pieces) are in that genre.
@@etps4444 I completely agree. It's so wonderful 😭 (I'm a nerd, I play violin)
@@noveltea9593
That's so cool!! I play guitar, but I've always thought the violin was epic. Always admired violinists. ^^
@@etps4444 I love guitar! My best friend plays it 😀
They really made the "punk rockers" villains. 💀 when will people realize liking “edgy” things, of any degree, doesn’t make people inherently edgy.
the vast majority of people who create punk rock music, let alone listen to it (out of enjoyment) are not fucking bullies like this movie protrays them to be. they are not degrading to everybody around them. they are not hateful to everybody around them. i don't understand why somebody chose to make the shitfire
@@yuenmienyu PERIODT
Ever British person in the mid 2000's: 😳
Dude literally every rock fan is the most friendliest and most down to earth people ever
@@yeetusjesus8385
The singer of Cannibal Corpse is literally just a Teddy Bear. he's an extremely friendly person.
Trolls: Negativity is bad
Trolls 2: Rock is bad
Trolls 3: Anything that doesn’t boost Jeff Small’s net worth by 120% is bad
Lol
"Basically everything fun is bad... Welcome to my world!"
@@AllenTheAnimator004 i really hope someone other than me and those 5 people who liked get this joke
Trolls: complete
Trolls2: done
Trolls 3: November (2023)
Trolls 4: ???
Trolls 5: ??
Trolls 6: ??
Trolls 7: ??
Also all 7 movies are confirmed BY Justintmberlake!
This isn’t fake trolls 3 is coming in November
@@HarrierAnimations oh god why, just WHY DO THEY GOTTA CREATE ANOTHER TERRIBLE ABOMINATION JUST FOR MONEY??????
i just absolutely love how the *whole* meaning of the movie is that pop can’t take over all music genres yet they use the most pop-y version of each genre
Pop-y... Po- I just noticed. I'm gonna have a hard time trusting people with both the name Poppy and a taste for Pop music.
The classical trolls could easily have annihilated the rock trolls if they had used Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.
Tchaikovsky no
@@captain_kadaver Tchaikovsky YES
@@LloydTheZephyrian *fire the cannons*
Yeah that makes sense
Well rock could play 2112 as it would respond in kind in the first 4 minutes before stating there musical knowledge is lacking then drop bombs on them for the grand finally then after that 20 minute song they could sing about the twilight zone and where weed is grown
the sad part is it's a genuinely really cool concept of having different kingdoms be different genres, but the execution makes me want to execute myself
Facts
true
Nice choice of words.
“The execution makes me want to execute myself”
Those are an amazing choice of words, I’ll be using that somewhere in my life.
Same as how the hell did they never notice experimental as a genre
I still think it's hilarious how when the movie tries to make us hate the villains more by fleshing them out, they actually make them look like the smart, competent, and logical ones.
The fact that they either threw away or ignored the idea of having combined music tastes for the trolls or even branch simply fitting in with other music choices instead of pop or rock just explains a lot about this movie to me.
The moral of this story is pop will rule the world and you can’t have other music tastes
This movie feels like it was commissioned by pop music to convince people it's the best type of music
Yeah man if anything rock doesn't try to kill other genre's it uses them to improve itself
agreed
@@lincolnjezek4370 no its not like that at all. You guys don't get it
@@sarailuvz1751 dont get what?
@@lincolnjezek4370 don't get that they are not trying to convince them that pop is the best music.they were just trying to bring everyone together and have their own music.6 and that's exactly what they did
Ah, yes. Trolls 2. The story of how the pop genre was able to destroy every other form of music in order to become supreme. I do love how Pop’s plan of controlling all music was carried out by his successor.
Everything wrong with Modern Pop music in a nutshell:
-Overuse of autotune
-Cheesy lyrics
-Cringe concepts, Black Pink's "Ice Cream" Being a clear example
-Rainbows and color Pink, rainbows and color pink
-Has no meaning
-Woke culture
-gets treated more as a fashion than a music genre.
-Made for the sake of money.
-Cringe celebrities
-Tiktok
@@Thunderblock7889 Amen! It all sounds the same, too!
Edit: Also, ironic that the end song sounds predominantly pop...
@@Kaitou1412Fangirl Most pop music is actually made by around 6 guys, which is why it sounds so samey
@@Thunderblock7889 I understand the other complaints, but why did you list the rainbow and pink colors as a negative?
@@Thunderblock7889 they don even use autotune in a good way, proper autotuning not made to decieve you can sound great
I only had a problem with how horrible they made the Rock Trolls seem, it was more of a stereotypical viewpoint of parents and adults rather than people who ACTUALLY listen to Rock music. They made them out to be the enemy and making them seem like they were all evil and in a way insane. They also made them seem selfish and insincere. For example, Barb might be controlling and a bit destructive but her father himself seems calm and happy with how things are going. Compared to Poppy I feel like they force to be the people pleaser that they need, like in the first movie where she realized that not everything is always going to be okay. Things happen and sometimes we can’t prevent it. But instead of keeping this in mind in the second movie, she goes on a journey to save all the musical strings but on her journey she judges them. Overall none of the other musical trolls are as represented as it should have been, especially the classical trolls, if the trolls had stayed with their instruments they could have shown their feelings through their genre. Such as K-Pop, I personally do not listen to that genre but I can say while it is popular they could have gotten a better genre to go with the movie. I do not agree with Poppy’s way to FORCE people to be happy. When people are sad you can help but you can not expect them to be happy as soon as you help them. Before I continue to ramble more than I already am I don’t think that Poppy is a good model for children if anything BARB is a better model by stating “Friendships deserve time and respect”, it doesn’t happen right away such as Poppy says.
14:45 SHE PICKED GUMDROPS OUT OF HER EARS AND ATE THEM
She has no sanity left
That would taste disgusting
DISGUSTANG-
*D I S T G U S T A N G*
Trolls have earwax too?
Is it just me or is it always horrible when characters who sing and dance in movies stare directly through the 4th wall with a serious look? It's got the energy of someone who puts "Tick-tock dancer" on their Starbucks resume.
LMBOOO STOPP
And yet Frozen does it a lot...
Like watching us paralyzed and in a creepy way?
@@AngelEmfrbl No one question about it cause Frozen successfully hypnotized them 😱😱😱
@@xx_somescenecath0lic_xx888 PP
The “villains” have way better points lmao and how the hell did they end up villains
@Dr. Cool SUSciety
Well, to take this to an extent further than the movie likely deserves, I do enjoy things such as heroic antagonists and other such anti-villain archetypes.
Poppy may very well be one of those villain protagonists that seem all the rage these days.
Society
@@excalibur6739 amogus
I’m pretty sure the creative team wanted more musical diversity and were tired of pop, but the producers changed a lot of the story to appeal to the pop fans, being the majority
I was hoping in the end when Branch was zapped, he didn’t transform seeing as he has a desaturated color pallet like the rock trolls. I thought that would be a good ending. HE would save the day and it could be a message about how you don’t have to stick to what u were born into.
Just what I thought went I first watched the movie.
Exactly. They made him super weak and useless
It's because if classical music could use their true powers, they would obliterate everyone. Devils Trill Sonata, La Campanella, Wrong Note, are a few ideas that could destroy the rock trolls
1812 overture anyone?
@@phoenix_waffles2122 literal cannons blasting them to pieces.
It makes me insanely upset that they seem to believe that all rock music is only hard rock. Rock music contains so many different subgenres, and it’s a huge shame that they didn’t consider representing other types than the heavy metal Metallica stuff. All rock is valid!
Actually, the movies lore basically notes that music comes and goes; Hard Rock is the CURRENT version of Rock as portrayed in the moiv.e
The minor Tribe Trolls are either Trolls in tribes going extinct and what you see is all that is left or Trolls in Tribes that are starting to appear.
In that case maybe make it were they have like a battle of the bands with the winner being their leader so there could potentially be alt or prog rock trolls who aid the other trolls
@@AngelEmfrbl that's actually interesting
Yeah plus wasn’t that heavy metal?? I listen to classic rock so i wouldn’t know lol
I personally think different types of rock music trolls live in the hard rock city but they live in small towns. And Queen Barbara just rules them all?🤔
I love how Poppy forces her Worldview to others countries, not trying to understand their culture at all. Kinda like colon-
Best comment ever!
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lmao💀
SHE LITERALLY IS A COLONIST THO, I LEARNED ABT IT IN SOCIAL STUDIES IT’S THE 100% SAME 💀💀
LMAO💀
Poppy pretty much ignored how their cultures worked and tried to make everyone get along , even tho they literally did at the end with the old “ Sing until everyone agrees on 1 thing “
Metal and classical music go together so well, they should be friends not fighting
Fun fact: The original troll doll was created by Thomas Dam from Gjøl in Denmark in 1958. The first ones were filled with wood shavings. Many styles and sizes were made and even animals from donkeys, elephants, giraffes, horses, lions and monkeys.
@@felixmckinney7132 a lot of people actually, it's just an interesting fact.
@@felixmckinney7132 ignore the comment then
Good to know
Denmark is the land i live in... *it's epic living there ngl*
@@felixmckinney7132 I care
Honestly was hoping it would be revealed that branch was secretly a death metal troll and that's why he didn't like any genre's and had natural black hair then he could go up against Barb in a face off
Lmao id love a Morbid Angel/Bathory Cover in this movie lmao
(yes i know Bathory is Black Metal but still)
he has natural black hair because singing killed his grandma 💔
That would have been a great idea.
@@victoriabell9546 it would change past info, his hair turned black because of his grandma dying
@@victoriabell9546 it would change past info, his hair turned black because of his grandma dying
My heart shattered when he said that branch had an arc about confessing to poppy. Even if the original wasn't 'good' it didn't force two characters to be together.
"And then I'm gonna watch the 3rd one immediately, I'm invested now"
That is exactly how I felt after watching the movie too lol
It's time for the best movie game: "How can they out-fuck it up more than the last one?"
This entire movie is dreamworks basically saying “there’s something wrong with you if you’re not following what’s trendy and popular”. But they totally lack the self awareness to understand why that’s a bad thing, much like the rest of the world.
They even had a record label with Elliot Smith, Counting Crows and EELS
agreed
If only DreamWorks still made religious movies like Prince of Egypt.
@@zvenafnazbalji7539 They don't need to be religious, just not fucking soulless. Prince of Egypt was still godly, though.
@@wallybrown1341
Yeah true.
I’m just saying black metal would get the job done waaay quicker
Lmaoo
true
I would burn churches to see black metal trolls running around a grim and frostbitten forest like Immortal in Call Of The Wintermoon.
Oh I’d LOVE THAT. I need Trolls with corpse paint
Lol, would they be the growling types like most black metal bands, or the high-pitched screaming types like Graf Von Baphomet?
The first movie is just tiny little creatures running away from giants who eat them and then the sequel made me forget they were even tiny and just strayed away from the first movie and decided to make lore about "strings that make music" the first movie felt so fantasy like and the second felt so modern and advanced
As a metalhead the lava "hardrock" troll world is the best looking and sounding
ah yes jazz, the century-spanning worldwide over-genre that has a big part in the creation of rock, hip hop, even pop, is represented with one smooth jazz troll
The original draft of the movie was that several trolls (some not in the final version) were fragments of Tribes going extinct and gathered together for scraps of interest in the hope someone would listen.
In short, int the Trolls world, music comes and goes, at the moment Jazz is on the extinction list, while K-Pop and that are new andupcoming.
@@AngelEmfrbl ah so they were going to try and explain it but never did. also I understand smooth jazz being in decline, but electro swing and jazz hop are pretty popular
This is exactly how I felt towards the introduction of the techno trolls, which for some reason get ANNIHILATED FIVE SECONDS INTO THE FILM
@@sapphony6464 😂
I used to play clarinet and all I got for it was squidward, now I play electric guitar among others and get called called wannabe edgy
It’s like you can’t win
And so apparently Poppy absorbs all genres of music into her own stale, overly-happy, repetitive and meaningless mush.
Much like real pop.
This is supposed to be a good ending, right?
idk why but my mind drifted to colonisation and assimilation, which I guess is what the pop trolls kinda did? I've been reading too much history
@@mmymmy315 the movie was about racism and it made it clear neither Poppy nor Barb was right. Poppy took an entire movie to realise she was wrong and Barb struggled to accept unity in the end.
Barb was hinted at being misguided and not evil throughout the movie;she cares about Debbie her pet, her father and the kids of her Tribe.
Dude watch Trollstopia and maybe you will see otherwise... Trollstopia came after and in it, they create a place where everyone can live with their music, in harmony.
@@AngelEmfrbl ah ok. I haven't watched any of the movies, only seen reviews like this one, thanks for explaining tho!
The entire plot of this movie is her learning that it's wrong to want everyone to be the same
“I remember being a kid! I’m gonna watch what they got for kids now”
“I don’t trust humanity anymore”
Literally only the shows on Netflix like She-ra and the princesses of power, Voltron, Glitch Techs, The Dragon Prince and a few others are the only good kids things but you need Netflix-
@@xXPastelCatsXx exactly
@@ThisIsThePersonalUsername I felt that same way even when I was a child. I've always preferred 90s and 2000s children's shows over the more modern ones that would usually bore me to death.
When you actually want the "villains" to succeed
the fact that the villain had more chemistry with poppy in less than 30 minutes than branch and her did in two whole movies 💀
please dont make me start drawing poppy x barb in anime styles.
@@painedidiotnoises3072 dont
@@painedidiotnoises3072 do
LMAO
@@painedidiotnoises3072 it
I like how pop and kpop are treated likw two different generes when they are at the end both POP
The pop trolls even sang Gangnam Style in that one scene ;-;
I don’t see the soda pop trolls in the movie so HMMM
Same bro.🙄
As if Kpop itself wasn’t originally modeled after American boy bands like New Kids on the Block
ikr just different countries
16:45 I forgot that branch got friendzoned
There was one scene when the trio arrived to Country and the Sheriff was singing her song in which Branch made a comment about really liking it even though it was depressing. I was watching the movie on the plane and praying to god that maybe, just maybe, they’d do something with it, but lo and behold they did nothing. I was extremely disappointed and like… idk what else to say about my disappointment
I hate country music but that song was really good and probably one of the best parts of the movie
I have a question why do they only have hard rock trolls. There are different genres of rock like classic rock, punk rock, grunge, heavy metal, nu wave, hair rock, glam metal, pop punk, power metal, progressive rock, symphonic, psychedelic rock, and rock n roll. There is so much more they can do with this like they could bring back the Bergen’s and have them represent the current genres they live in. And there so many awesome music duels they can take inspiration from. Also why is rock the villain, I know there isn’t really a villain in this movie but they could easily make a villain representing the music industry. This movie could have been at least good, not great but good.
@TenaciousGaming And?
Grunge trolls would be too powerful that is why.
Probably because it would be way too confusing
@@redwarriorstudios6077 it’s a kids move that’s too confusing their not gonna remember all of that and they wouldn’t like the music anyway
@Enmity the Kindhearted Or classical music that goes through wild shifts depending on which era you are talking about
All I’m going to say is I saw this at a drive in movie theater and i have never laughed harder in my life. Because we were inside a car we could make whatever comments we wanted without disturbing anyone. It’s not good!!! But it’s FUN with the right people
Bad films are really enjoyable with friends. Same thing happened to me while watching slenderman with a friend. The film was shitty, but we laughed all the time from how shitty it was
Hey i saw it at a drive in movie too! What a coincidence! Yes it was so fun making fun of it!
@@duncanevans8937 i did too haha
@@dont_scrool_too_much_here explain why it’s shitty
@@clbarton21 sure, we didn't like the pacing of the film. The jumpscare sometimes were obvious. I personally didn't liked a scene were there was flashy lights and weird photo on screen. The characters were really dumb. And slenderman felt flat.
11:04 why is that funnier then movie
Idk but couldn't stop laughing
*"WANKAR-"*
@@dogmanwes2790I think he actually says “WHAT THE- F”
@@Mago-Wizard I don't hear it
*W H A T K I-* ☀️
14:22 *bruh why*
as soon as i saw the trailer i thought, “oh great, another kids movie showing that rock is the bad guy”, honestly i think that a better choice would’ve been to have the classical trolls be the villains because they could be annoyed with all the other types of music being too loud and disrupting their peace, i also wish that they had more than just hard rock for the rock trolls
Pop being the power-hungry villain would make more sense
heavily agree
Or Experimental....
A family member of mine was the producer and if I remember correctly they said that was one of the ideas but the higher ups ya know didn’t think it would make sense for the younglings/ be relatable
@@Sugarskulladdict97 Yeah well when have higher ups ever had something smart to say?
I love how everything the rock trolls do to showcase how evil they are usually just unintentionally makes them more relatable, like, who doesn't just want to rip on pop music at this point?
frrrr
*cough* kidz bop *cough cough*
I do
I use to like pop now i like o l d country
"Who doesn't just want to rip on pop music at this point?"
Answer: Hollywood
I still can't believe me and an ex-friend jokingly predicted Kpop trolls years before this was released
They made Hickory German and dressed “ridiculously” so he couldn’t be a viable love interest anymore
As Schaffrillas Productions once said, "Why did it have to be the James Corden troll? I hate James Corden!"
Edit: Thank you all so much for my first 1K likes!
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When he said that? I can't find his video talking about Trolls/Trolls 2
@@lucymcangel255 It’s in his DreamWorks ranking video. The movie is #35 on the list.
@@DanGamingFan2846 tnx!
Mad facts
Kinda ironic how destroying the guitar causes the Hard Rock Kingdom to fall, when rockstars usually destroy their guitars
Lol
It's because of the strings, not the guitar
@@Niko-ci8sw doesn't matter...
15:07
Dazz: **talking**
The last troll: AAAAAAAAA
14:10 Okay you have to admit Poppy's rock design is better than her original tho
Your point about the hard rock trolls being the bad guys is everything I can think of. People in hard rock are often some of the most accepting and nice people you'll meet. Punk, rock, hard rock, metal, and all their subgenres. But every movie ever feels like they use them as the "bad guys" similar to making punks unfriendly. I've been into this music since I was 12 and I've encountered tons of nice people who are very accepting of other types of music. Yeah, every group has their bad eggs, but as soon as I saw the hard rock trolls were the villains of the movie, I knew exactly what this would be like.
In fact, most of the mean people I've met are into pop music :/ in fact, it would have been more interesting if they made the pop trolls be an unintentional antagonist where in trying to unite them after learning about the other trolls, they ended up just wanting to add pop to everything (like the way Poppy's letter or whatever to the rock trolls went over) and being toxic and positive and not respecting boundaries and the hard rock trolls call them out for it. But we all know the people making Trolls are just here for a cash grab and nothing more, so the mean looking hard rock trolls are the bad guys like every time.
Edit: Even with them going with "the pop trolls tried to conquer" it is so poorly done and doesn't actually work as "the pop trolls were really the bad ones all along" because it isn't built up at all and is so rushed and falls flat. If they really wanted to do that in a 90 minute kids movie, they should have leaned into it instead of "hard rock trolls are evil oh but it turns out the pop trolls tried to conquer originally." But hey, I've already said that is too much for a cash grab and these people making it will not put in the effort.
Also I do have to say I really enjoy the visuals and such of the movie. The trolls have a good enough and unique appearance and the worlds are actually quite beautiful to look at even if they aren't super memorable overall.
You said it perfectly
Yeah, whoever made the movie is also making people with piercings look bad when we aren't! I think the hard rock trolls are the coolest looking trolls.
It's also pretty awful considering the movie pushes the rep that rock is "bad". Rock music has historically been seen as the 'devil's music' or 'evil', etc, so even though the dispute is resolved in the end, the movie still portrays rock as an evil genre through the majority of the film
The labelling of "evil" comes from Poppy calling Barb it; the rock trolls were following Barb's guidance. Barb and Poppy both thought they were the hero and barb considered the Pop Trolls "the bad guy" due to their presence from the past. Barb didn't realise she was repeating history. Proof of Barb being actually not evil is her own reaction to Debbie, her father, the kids of her own Tribe. Unfortunately, some things about the plot were cut before realise, she was suppose to also note in her talk with Poppy that she was living up to the legacy of her own father; a lot of the entire plot was her trying to live her to expectations of her station, but we just gt one glossed overline in the final version.
It was confirmed from the creators, at no point were the Rock Trolls evil. As Poppy said, what would have happened with the strings in tact, another tribe would then repeat but Pop and ock did in the future. The strings were a ticking time bomb. Country, Funk, Techno or Classical would hav been the next to go out on a conquest.
In reality, Poppy wasn't even correct, she thought the Trolls were, all the same, failing to acknowledge how different they were until it was too late and her friends, even Branch basically had had enough. She learns the lessons and realises her mistake.The entire movie's point was to be a reference to flat-out racism, it used music genres to represent different groups of people.
I feel like at time points, people had so many issues with the movie and were so bias that they didn't WANT to pay attention to the movie and some of its details.
@@AngelEmfrbl Except for the fact that the way the rock trolls are presented IS as evil. Which is very common. This happens a lot in media and I've seen it many times. Rock/punks coming across aggressive and only protective of their own and them being "nice" is weird. Even if that was the intention, the thing is that it didn't come out like that. It was too messy and poorly written to have that message come across. It's like when people make a character they want to be likeable only for them to be unlikable. This is very common in poor writing and something I've seen tons of times. Trolls 2 has done it again. Think of actually good kids movies that can make people feel and realize a message. Trolls 2 isn't that. It's too rushed and too much is going on and it barely knows what it wants to be. I've seen plenty of media use diversity and and racism in such in better ways with better things to illustrate their points. Trolls 2 fell flat with this and ended up being something that wanted to pander to children. I don't even hate the Trolls franchise, but this was so poorly done. Especially representing the other music groups, especially with the "bounty hunters." Music is very indepth and such and they needed it to be shallow for it to be understood, which can work, but it still feels so poorly researched. Also if most people are missing that point, it's probably because the movie wasn't written well enough to have it come across. And if they cut stuff out then that's the issue, the movie isn't what it wanted to be, it's a stripped down shell of what it originally intended to be. Usually with cut scenes, they are scenes that ultimately felt unnecessary or had to be removed for time reasons but the movie still makes sense without them. If a whole plot point was lost because of a cut scene, that isn't a sign of a good movie that has its message well received. Regardless of the original intent, the rock trolls come across as mean, aggressive, and antagonistic. A stereotype that is rarely seen in real life. Even some of my favorite games and shows have used this stereotype even if they had them turn out "nice" by the end. Rock has a long history of being seen as this and being treated like this and being antagonized especially with its fans. Whether the movie intended to or not, it made rock out to seem to be an antagonist with no real say otherwise. You do raise some valid points, but the fact that so many people miss it, says a lot about how well the message of this movie ran over /nm /gen
Almost as if the ending is telling is that pop music eventually overtakes every other genre in its path to conquer all. Seriously, the pop trolls were revealed to be the real bad guys and nothing comes of it?
poopy learns that the pops trolls caused the division and feels bad about it so there that
@@yulee3266 she also didn't even apologize to branch like what?
No the pop trolls a couple generations ago did. That's like holding all white people accountable in the US for slavery that's been abolished for decades. Move on. Everyone probably has had ancestors that did horrible stuff. War and slavery are thousands and thousands of years old.
@@mariantambe5110 slavery and wars are not a thousand years old🥴 but i get your point ig.
@@tsuyuasui7297 everything over a decade ago is a thousand years old tbh. A year feels like a century
imagine if the reason why the whole world looks all felt-like is because the story is Poppy retelling what happened via scrapbook, which explains why the pop trolls are always seen as the heroes despite being more negative than positive. Like she’s telling the story with a scrapbook, but it’s all from her perspective.
my dad was Fangirling through the whole movie because of the rock trolls
what it’s like having an angsty emo dad 😭✋
😂
😊
Poppy was really cruel with Branch. She never listens to him, throw away his weapons, ignore his advices. I didn't like her atitude :S The worst? Poppy never appologises for all the mean things she said or did. Not ONCE the princess says '' Your right Branch! I was a terrible friend! I'm sorry, i should've listen to you. '' It didn't happen.
The movie isn't that bad! The animation is pretty and colorful, the songs are entertaining (except the part in the Country town. That was awful!) Barb is a great character, funny and cool. I like her :D
Well
1: Poppy is now Queen, not princess
2: the point of the movie was she DIDN'T listen
Erm... Yeah... The point was she didn't listen.
This movie has potential, and what dreamworks did with that potential was throw it out.
@@AngelEmfrbl still should've had her apologize later on
Poppy pretty much became Mabel from gravity falls as Mabel was pretty much a terrible friend and sister for half if not most of the series to the point even a inter dimensional demon called her out for it
@@fork-man dipper did some pretty shit stuff too like making mabel depressed cus he's a simp for Wendy
Isn't it weird how this movie is literally exactly what it says it's against? It's canonical in this universe that the pop trolls attempted to conquer the others and wrote a revisioned history after the fact, then instead of addressing that they just have A POP DANCE NUMBER WITH ACCOMPANIMENT
AKA: "Your culture is awesome so long as it's indistinguishable from ours!"
...You know, the real world enemy of "Celebrate your differences?"
No, it's the pop trolls try to take over the world, fail, and hide themselves away in the middle of the forest, separated from the other genres.
The movie just fumbles a bit with showing that it's okay to like different things. Most of the trolls are intolerant of eachother and lived in separate widely spaced out communities. They just rushed the ending to have a mushy gushy " oh we all get along now" happy ending.
It's a perfect allegory to real life SJWs. They claim to be against racism but can't separate a person from their skin color.
@ferret OK zoomer.
@ferret yeah, throughout all my life seeing people complaining
that sjws this sjws that, i have ironically never encountered one at all. its just another stereotype created out of boredom or exaggeration
@@dddmn do you think white supremacists exist?
I love how while I have many issues with the series my biggest problem with the second movie to this day is how Branch’s colors couldn’t stay consistent between films. I liked the blue color they made him at the end of the first film. Why is he grey/green now?
I'm not sure the writers thought through the implications of having the pop kingdom being responsible for an attempt at imperialism in the past only to then have every music ideology just go along with a pop song at the end
Well, we certainly can't have rock music being portrayed as a positive thing. No. Rock is often controversial, and subversive. We can't allow kids to believe that controversial, and subversive is a good thing....
Actually, its portrayed as good later on! Ypu have to know that there is a cartoon serie and all the tribes are learning to live together and some of the best characters who are a good example for kids and are growing up are from the rock tribe! There are a lot of things that have to be looked behind
@@naomicravana To be honest,t he fault is on Barb, not the entire Tribe to begin with. And itsPoppy who basically called Barb "evil", it was before Poppy started toput 2 and 2 together herself and work out "hey, differences DO matter!".
I'm going to be fought and attacked on this opinion for sure but that just proves my point. Rock was literally for kids with issues. The ones who hated their parents and needed to let out pent up rage written by people who hated their parents and wanted to let out pent up rage. I listen to a lot of rock and even death metal but its not my go-to. Screaming head banger forceful music and dark edgy clothing isn't something to be glorified. You're wording it as if its a world changing respectful rebellious in a good way stand point. But teen emos and adults who never left that punk rock phase are some of the most embarrassing self loathing confused people I know. Its disturbing. And trust me I love gothic styles. And vibrant colors. My likes in both music and fashion are all across the spectrum. You're acting like kids should grow up idolizing emos and rock. And I full heartedly disagree. There's a good kind of controversial and a bad kind of controversial. I fight literally almost every opinion modern day people have because I genuinely think that this is one of the worst generations ever society and personality wise. This generation is so twisted up in the head that they're impossible to reason with and sheep into mass opinions. I stand firm for my beliefs even if im the ONLY person in the room with that opinion because I don't want to be a sheep or fake. So yeah, Rock isn't anything special and a god awful role model for kids, so is rap. This grnerations music taste makes me want to vomit, and like I said I like all music, but there's like 50% good rap, 50% bad rap, and this generation seems to only like the bad rap to the point where its not even music. Its barely english with all the slang and slurrs and incorrect concepts. I would have picked a very different Trolls sequel, but this wasn't GOD AWFUL and rock wasn't portrayed as badly as you're acting
@@Oumphthassgudpipe Hasn't rock been somewhat dead for the last 10 years or something?
We're basically beating a dead horse here.
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This movie kind of wrote itself into a corner. You can't really mash nations together because they have different direct aspects that can't be merged. It's not like there's a solution to this at all, because why do countries exist?
But separation isn't the answer either, it was breeding hatred for other Tribes.
The 2D follow up TV series is about this problem.
Honestly kind of reminds me of the "Love Nikki" franchise which is about fashion rather music. In "Shining Nikki" we learn a bit more about Miraland, each of the nations have their own style and own culture. Ninir has a queen that is elected while Pigeon is a Monarchy.
Shame that trolls didn't go as much into this idea. If someone flees a kingdom, do they become a true citizen of their new country? What if one declares independence? How does music work as a weapon!?
what are you talking about? national borders are imaginary
@@TurbopropPuppy , tell that Canada, Japan, Finland, etc etc in all parts of the world except Quasar because that’s the only country in the world without borders, and it has a total open border policy for everybody and everything.
Umm..... countries dont exist bc of differences, they exist bc people ruled over or conquered them.
I hate how the rock trolls are portrayed as wanting to make everyone the same but rock actually promotes more originality individualism and self expression than pop which’s most songs are literally copies of each other and why are the rocks the bad guys they have better points of view🤘🎸
6:28 is exactly how I feel about most pop music-
“Shut up….it’s 7 AM in the morning…”
Sounds like something old branch would say
Sounds like something any normal person would say
@@Rhhhinnn Branch is the most normal person in this whole movie I guess
i miss old branch
@@minecraftamogus Old Branch was a little boring, but the new Branch is sImP (just kidding)
@@minecraftamogus Old Branch was awesome
It’s like they had all the ingredients to make an interesting movie that commented on modern music and then just barfed on it with no regard of what they were making. Like you said they had opportunities to mix genders perfectly. Personally I think classical and rock music actually mix super well and imagine how cool it could’ve been to see the rock and classical battle it out with notes and sounds. Maybe to defend classical plays orchestral versions of rock and the rock trolls play rock versions of past classical orchestral music
Idk I’m just rambling now
mix _genders?_
@@redeyesdrgn *they said what they said.*
@@redeyesdrgn i believe they meant genres
@@bloodiegawz i know ! thought it was kinda funny
yeah agreed. Honestly if they just put an ounce of effort into the music, then it might actually have been a pretty good series overall. Kinda stupid that they didn't considering music is literally the main ethos of the franchise
6:50 Now I’m actually starting to think this is all a big ploy to pretend pop musicians aren’t the real villains seeing as they are the stars of the show
At the end of the movie I was genuinely excited when poppy supposedly got turned into a rock troll, I thought it would have been really cool for the side characters to have to take the lead to save her and everyone, but no, they reused a bad joke because WHY THE FUCK NOT?
"we don't like jukebox musicals"
Today, Dazz was found dead. The only evidence left by the killer? A knife and a Mamma Mia boxset.
@Enmity the Kindhearted the ABBA fans are more powerful than they've ever been. ABBA's two new songs fuel them with the strength needed to destroy the earth.
I LOVE Jukebox musicals
And the &Juliet soundtrack
@@goodnight-moon564 yup, haha
@@avacornthelastponybender8583 same. I'll always prefer completely original ones, but I have nothing against a solidly done Jukebox
I watched my movie with my 5th year old cousin and I asked her “so how is it?” And she literally starts crying 💀
clearly she has good taste
BAHAHAHAHAHHA
I mean can you blame her tho I too wanted to cry after watching that movie 💀
Idk nothing about kids but kids hate this movie as well
💀😂
8:05 dazz: boom! Not for kids.
( Changes the script to not be for kids)
UA-cam: it’s for kids.
( marks the video for kids regardless)
Somebody explain how when Poppy doesn't get possesed by the power chord that she can still play the guitar after her only musical experience would be with pop where nothing like what she plays exists, and let alone that the only instrument we see poppy play is a cowbell?
The reason why the Rock and Jazz are underrepresented is not a deep reason:
For the toys
I thought it was because it was invented by black people and sanitized by white people
(Or that rock is genuinely the more wholesome of the music fans)
@@anarchomando7707 , I’m a white person that’s never listened to jazz in his entire life, but from what I recall researching jazz clubs in the 20s is the only reason on why banning alcohol didn’t stop the sales of alcohol completely, and that’s why there were more alcoholics in the 20s than stoners and heroin addicts, so if you have a link to show my knowledge of jazz being factually inaccurate than I’d agree with your take more than people like Adam Canover’s viewpoints on jazz and jazz clubs in the 20s.
The big reason why Quality is way better than Quantity
Which is funny, cause younger me would’ve much rather had a Rock troll toy than a Pop troll toy
The trolls has lore spanning 15 in-universe religions, 70,000 years and over 1,000 individual characters. It is the pinnacle of story telling
yeah but like
jukebox musical
@@victoryjamz jukebox musicals are the pinnacle of storytelling though. Such classics like shrek 3, boss baby.
@@frogmouth2 do not speak of boss baby here
The boss baby has some or the best writing in film history so I don’t know what you issue is.
Guys they're obviously trolling lol
Edit: no pun intended
Dreamworld has gone from jokes about a donkey in a glue factory to ha-ha, farty horse
honestly the fakeout would have worked a lot better if they had gone for the theme of overlapping genres, the reason she cant be converted to punk rock is because she already enjoyed punk rock, you cant forcibly convert her to something shes already embraced
Poppy has a huge problem in that she never has to sacrifice anything, make a significant change to her worldview. She gets the kingdoms united but never has to realise her mindset was patronising to anyone who didn’t share it. Other trolls talk about her like she’s made big achievements, but she’s fundamentally the same character she was at the start of the original. It’s others who change their mind and perspective, she brings them around.
It's a SJW wet dream.
You ever seen that "sympathetic villain; anti-villain; anti-hero; plain annoying" Tumblr post? Poppy is plain annoying. She gets away with everything, loses nothing, and people listen to her for no reason?? She's just not a good character xP
And, yeah, no character development. The only thing that changed is she has a status of power
i love how hyprocritical and omnibenevolent she is💀 she directly shows intentions to bring people together and make others feel happy in the first movie, yet tears other people's music down because it isn't her type, and they're not feeling the same mood as her.
edit: grammar corrections
@@yuenmienyu ikr like bestie isnt the whole point of liking stuff is just- liking it and not belittling people for what they like that doesnt suit you- 🤡
@INeedCoffee I mean basically everyone hated him because he was depressed in the first film so mans probably not used to basic decency from anyone outside of Poppy
The thing I hate the most about this movie is that there were so many good ideas and a lot of potential but they totally wasted it.
I'm imagining how cool it could have been if this was about the Pop trolls learning that they have been oppressing the other genres who now all band together against them. Poppy as the Queen has to show them that they can all be friends, but does so in such a way that is trying to make the others all conform to a more Pop way of life. The Pop trolls could learn to embrace the other genres and actually accept them as they are, and Poppy could learn that blind optimism isn't always the right way (I think they tried to do that). Branch could be the one who has to show her how to be adaptable since he gets along with all genres, so now he gets to teach her a lesson like she taught him in the first one.
This would be a cool allegory for a lot of reasons. For one like Dazz said the music industry is in a weird place, especially pop where it's very manufactured and fake happy garbage with no real meaning (everything Barb said in her rant basically.) But also weirdly fits as an allegory about the state of America. Like how a certain groups claim to be embracing of all types of different people but only if they rigidly conform to their own standards of right and wrong. And we need to learn that different doesn't mean bad and there's value in different points of view. And they already included the revisionism....
Why am I thinking this hard about Trolls 2
The movie feels rushed, if the writers ain't shit, I still prefer the first one though
@@laei6391 That's right.
Ikr
Yeah, this movie had potential that it juts didn’t expand on. I liked that idea of Branch understanding other music because mans went like 15 years hating pop. Have him sympathise with the rock, give him depth. Make Poppy’s obliviousness worse, and just completely delete James Corden
OMG dude okay so-
I’m an Oregonian and about a year ago there were those fires spreading, and my family had a big house by a forest and they had to evacuate. So my aunt and my two little cousins can and stayed with us for a bit, and oh my FUCK I don’t even know how many times we had to watch Trolls 2 because my little cousin was having her little 5 year old brain rot on it. I’m happy to see other people criticizing this movie so deeply as I am LMAO
Fun fact that nobody cares:when the kpop trolls sing the song playing in the background is about killing people Russian Roulette by Red Velvet
heres a alternative ending i made
at the end when Poppy break the huge guitar and the cord and everything turned to nothing,, i think that the person who should have started the heart thing was Barb,, and the melody would be like this
boom boom tshh boom boom tshh boom boom tshh
then Branch who is a multi genre troll would be like
Poppy youre a girl make a big noise playing on the valley,, gonna be a big queen someday
and then others troll start to sing (no i dont have the other lyrics i dont know how to continu it)
and it would be a
we will we will rock/funk/pop/country/yodel/jazz/whatever you
I realized the OG script you were gonna kick Branch’ s head off, but in the video you kick off Poppy’s. Correct choice. Character development.
He couldn't easily edit branch's head
perfection.
VERY CORRECT CHOICE.
branch is an icon a legend and the moment
I was crying when they gave him a crush on poppy like no the romantic subplot consumed him noooooo 😔😔😢😢😭😭😭
Actually, “Perfect for Me” was an original song Timberlake wrote himself for Branch and Poppy. So they did have something original in there
Just sing... born to die...
@@AngelEmfrbl and it’s all love
I love all the songs in the sequel but the movie itself? Don't hate it but also don't love it? I feel neutral. I just mainly love the songs like It's All Love, Just Sing and Perfect for Me.
11:46 yooooo is that the roblox forcefield? Epic cameo
6:38 I didn’t expect facts to come out of a review for a kids movie
Infinity War: exists
Trolls World Tour: “Write that down, write that down!”
Hi buddy
That is literally what Trolls 2 is.
so true
It's Infinity War but bad
The infinity gems were a copy of stuff before it.
Eveyrthing in modern media is constantly beingre-shuffled.
You know I was thinking about 14:17 and it would have made a lot more sense if it was Branch. As we saw earlier Branch is really flexible when it comes to other music genres, so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to keep his free will when zapped.
Too bad the movie needed a false "all hope is lost" moment.
I fucking hate this scene there's sooo much error on this scene and obviously how dumb this shit is
@@unfaircatt no shit shes a queen im just say how cheap it was at the end of the movie like imagine there's two knights that r fighting with swords and one of them took out a gun and shot him like wtf that is random as hell
@@SJK1209 IKR
bruh, am i the only one who doesnt get how Poppy turned her eyes red when she was
pretending to be hypotised?
This movie's the equivalent of "I did almost no help in the group project but I still get all the credit."
A fight scene with musicals sound really cool!
To bad it didn’t happen
Have you heard about HamiLton
Other thoughts for fight scenes:
-Classical trolls are powerhouses, especially in large groups (orchestras). But because they're from an older era, they lack the ability to fully attack younger genres(?). They can use offense, but maybe it's a lot weaker. Their defense is nigh unbeatable. Unless you're Barb, who does her research and finds "weaknesses" in classical music defense.
-Funk is highly advanced and super powerful. What can I say? They have offense defense, advanced tactics, etc. But Barb has multiple strings by now, they were destined to lose.
-Pop trolls are so regressed because the other trolls exiled them, and hate everything to do with them.
The classic trolls also should have a cannon as a reference to the 1812 overture
The last one was correct. (mostly the hate everything to do with them)
also metal incorporates a lot of classical elements, so there's that aspect that could have been a thing
we can all agree on one thing,
poppy is more insufferable in this movie
she's a pick-me in the music industry
*i'm not like the other trolls, i trash on rock music for no reason*
I think making it a trolls sequel was their first mistake. The trolls were supposed to be about happiness and finding your own happiness and whatever bullshit the movie where a guy wouldn't sing because it killed his grandma or whatever.
I'd love an original world about the different types of music as embodiments of creatures, where we could get a bunch of cool songs and end with the frequently added lesson of acceptance, equality, and getting along. Mostly I just want it for the music because I don't mind admitting that I liked most of the songs in the movie- though I'd prefer there being more original ones than there were, if they were any, because I'm pretty sure I recognized them all from somewhere else.
9:20
I love it when gags from previous movies are recycled in the next movie. 😑
The fact that the only character I liked was the villain-
Same lol
Yeah same it’s the only one that had my interest kinda
Yeah. We watched the movie at school and she sang CRAZY TRAIN. That's a great song. She also sang some others but forgot. But I also recognized some other songs that I liked in it but it wasn't that good (One More Time, Girls just Want To Have Fun)
But the movie was bad in my opinion
Yea, and how the hell did they get Ozzy to voice one of the characters?
When my family was watching this my dad thought that Branch, somewhere near the end, was actually a rock troll. Might've been an interesting idea now that I think of it...
Yeah, that would’ve made the movie a little more interesting if you think about it.
2:54
Impossible! They have Determination!
This comment made ME BALL laughing
They are like undyne they need 500 lines of text
I genuinely didn’t know there even was a second movie…
Remember when Trolls were just little naked things?
And for a brief time in the 2000's a Bratz style show...
Yeah.. especially the Bratz dolls phase one..in fact I use to have those version of those Trolls dolls when I was little..but I lost em.😅
@@kimberlybogert7031 Oh good, then Trollz wasn't just a fever dream I had.
@@rhodrage it was a failure to get a proper license from Dam Things. Dam Things struggled to cope with its own franchise having issues with the trademark of "Trolls" world wide. IT was sold to DreamWorks in 2010-2013, meaning that Trolls is now the oldest property DreamWork owns.
Omg I remember that!!
I knew I wasn't hallicunating that
Okay, I’m going to use my creative brain to try to make a better plot:
What if there’s like this council that decides which genres of music are “deserving” of getting a string. Basically, classical music is divided amongst a whole bunch of genres, since that music has been around for hundreds of years. The Rock Trolls want to be the ones that get it, so they attack every other newer type of music, trying to become the only competitors. Poppy talks Barb into letting the Pop Trolls compete as well. When the council awakens, Pop and Rock compete in a battle. The council actually denies both of them- claiming that Pop music is too simple and that Rock is (I dunno… too aggressive or something?). The council refuses to hand out any strings. Poppy and Barb console each other in the “emotional moment” scene. The Classical Music Trolls decide to give some of their strings to the newer genres, claiming that it’s time for someone else to have the spotlight- and each newer genre of music gets a string transferred from the older genres. The council doesn’t like this, but the older genres defend the newer ones. The council is revealed to be the bad guys, who are trying to keep music into closely defined categories- and are then defeated by a song which mixes categories of music together.
I think this makes more sense out of the “strings” plot line. It also has some meaning to it, and has a lot to do with music adapting over time.
**claps loudly** i'm proud of you, stranger on the internet
Cool
You just wrote a much better synopsis.
I love this😁
You damn genius, you have my respect
- writer and classical music fan
Ah, the fortress of festivity. I love that music from pikmin. 5:37
the thing i hate about this movie is how they make fun of every music genre in some way, but yet they dont do it to pop. Like, what the heck?!
Barb do it