I appreciate your honesty about roses. The net is full of "experts" who do not mention the disadvantages of certain roses. Thank you for your very informative video. From Sweden/Greece
Thank you for this video! The Poet's Wife and Princess Alexandra of Kent are very beautiful. Gertrude Jeckyl and Crown Princess Margareta look amazing against pillars and of course the Lady of Shalott took my breath away on this video. I'm sure it would reduce me to tears should I ever have the privilege of bearing witness to it climbing like that in real life. Except for a couple locations, the majority of Canadians can only dream of growing roses in such manner. 🇨🇦
I reckon the form on the Generous Garden is so gorgeous. Some roses don’t have scents, as you know, but they have beautiful foliage and the flowers with its fragrance is such an extra added bonus. Thanks for the tour, I love that you are not pretending to know everything, it’s refreshing.
Oh thank you for taking us to Austin Gardens...❤❤ that's sad that you can't smell Desdemona, i have her and she smells very strong, even with rain, which effects some Varietys in Fragrance....i noticed a difference in colour, our Summers here are much hotter and the Sunshine more intense, most of my Austins fade in Summer very quickly, Gentle Hermione is almost white here and has intense Myrrh fragrance... and Jubilee Celebretion is just a delight ..Queen of Denmark is a very old Rose, i think she Flowers only once...Caroline Knight is a yellow Sport of Summer song which i Love very much for this incredible orange colour and the outstanding Fragrance, i don't know the Poets Wife but from the Fragrance Graham Thomas is outstanding.... .Lovely Reviews Thanks 🙋🏼♀️
0:18 Wow! Look at that quartering! I don't care fro white, too much like a blank sheet of paper with nothing on it, but THAT quartering in white would be awesome. Back later, nearly midnight here in Ohio.
The Poet's wife is a stunner! It looks upright and full of golden yellow blooms. Mine here in southeastern US is still a baby and it's graceful, but still a floppy one. I want my roses to look like this so bad! About fragrance though...I think there are definitely a lot of factors that play into fragrance, and the weather is definitely one of them. James Galway and Munstead Wood are good examples for me. I've grown Munstead Wood for years and only just discovered this year it's fragrance. The strongest fragrance came from blooms on a new and thick cane. It was in the middle of the morning around 9:30am. Later in the day it wasn't as strong, but it was still present. When it's super hot, you barely smell anything at all. James Galway is another one that caught me off guard. I thought this one had no fragrance at all, but strangely, it was in the hottest part of the day when it was fragrant. It was actually strong enough to smell from a distance on one bloom. But in the morning, I didn't smell a thing.
Hi Derek. Yes the poets wife did look exceptional here. I did buy one as a result of this visit it’s sat in my garden now but it’s currently very droopy. Wether or not it will stiffen up in time I don’t know. Fragrance yes many factors come into play. I think this year we had low overnight temps throughout June. Like single digit overnight temps. This killed the daytime fragrance in many roses I believe. I’m told colder overnight Temps roses can turn off there fragrance tap as it’s not best temps for insects to pollinate so they hold back. Also I’ve found some roses are not fragrant until you cut them and bring them indoors. Add to this the time of day, heat, stage of flowering, rain, it can get very complex. Thanks for dropping by and may your roses be fragrant ones :)
@@Jay_Jay Hey! I was looking for footage of The Poet's Wife and came back to your video! I think your footage is the best I've seen of this rose. Mine sadly still doesn't look like the ones you shot. It's an own root I've had for a few years now. It's very fragrant and has bloomed a lot, but like you said, it's very droopy and floppy and I haven't gotten any very large blooms from it either. I think it's because it's own root. I'm considering ordering a grafted one from DA for next season to see what it does. How has yours done for you this year? I'm also curious what you thought of Gabriel Oak's fragrance. It's a sweet fragrance that reminds me of hyacinth. It's something I like from a distance, but up close it's not that pleasant.
...... 6:32 yes, my Poet's wife is in her 3rd year now, endured the terrible ohio winter VERY well. The fragrance is 70% old rose, 30% grapefruit and the flower form is flawless, some blossoms are quartered, then disorganize upon maturity. A blessing to have such a clear, luminous, CADMIUM yellow, not mustard yellow rose. Gertrude Jekyll and Vita Sackville West's hearts would be beating fast to discover such a rose for their garden's. They lived in a simpler, more romantic era, we live in a more abundant era. And to be able to send your images all over the planet in a few seconds is truly a blessing, thank you for sharing. Now we need phones/computers that emanate fragrance! LOL!
With an ongoing pungent septic tank replacement next door we decided last night to see if we could get booked in to visit the David Austin Gardens in Albrighton today (Wednesday 8th June), about a 120 mile round trip. I was very surprised to find quite a few 3-hour slots available for today. It's nice to know that it can be a more spontaneous thing and that you don't have to plan weeks ahead - or maybe it's just a midweek lull? The visit was very useful because I particularly wanted to be able to see the roses in bloom (to see their size, colour and shape, and how the flowers fade and age) and see what their fragrances were like. The weather was nearly perfect, warm enough but not so hot that you got exhausted by the heat. My wife actually took quite an interest (which was unexpected and very gratifying - have I converted her?) and expressed some enthusiasm for buying this or that rose, and we both enjoyed sitting in one area of the garden admiring the hundreds of roses in beds and listening to the birdsong. There are at least 3 peacocks who made their presence heard (not so much bird "song" as screaming) and one was unconcernedly walking around people's feet as they walked along the paths - you had to take care not to tread on his sweeping trail of feathers. I was pleased that my sense of smell seemed to be working as well as it can these days, and I was able to appreciate the scents of many of the roses. My wife was keen to get a spreading ground-cover rose called "Centre Stage" and she fancied a fragrant yellow rose, so we got "The Poet's Wife" which you featured and recommended in your video, and we both agreed on the fragrant white "Susan Williams Ellis". I was a little disappointed that despite all the varieties on offer none struck me as must-buys, and quite a few were quite disappointing in real life compared with their catalogue images, although a few surprised me as being possible buys. I think I have already bought the ones I really, really want (and some I could maybe do without). Also we were both struck with how one type of rose looked good in one context, but not in another - was it the time of day, the stage of blooming, the light, the weather, our level of tiredness? Even one of my favourites, The Ancient Mariner, failed to impress when compared with my example at home - is it because I was comparing a young rose with my more established rose? I made a point of looking at the Carolyn Knight that grabbed your fancy. I'm sorry to tell you that neither of us was impressed - the colour seemed to have washed out to pale yellow since you saw it and I think some recent rain had caused balling of its many petals, leaving it looking rather bedraggled - although the scent was delicious. I think your point about the timing of your visit is valid - some of the roses you showed were less impressive just a few days later, and probably vice-versa. I don't think one visit is enough to get the full picture of how each variety performs over time - and in different weather conditions - but, unless you live close by, repeated visits are easier said than done. And you are unlikely to see a fully mature version of most of the roses in any case. I realised halfway through the visit that I should have been better organised and taken detailed notes while I was in front of the roses I liked, since I did lose track of my favourites and the reasons I liked them, because of the sheer quantity of roses you are looking at. I think there are about a dozen DA roses in total which would for me be worthy of a place in my garden - if I can find space in my garden! I was looking for a red rose and we both thought that Gabriel Oak, which we have, although not a proper red, is a good choice, with Thomas a Becket a good second, and the Old Rose "Rose de Rescht" has a beautiful fragrance. But some of the exotically named like Tuscany Superb and Ispahan turned out to be less impressive than their names suggested. The greenery around the unopened buds of the Chapeau de Napoleon was very intriguing and eye-catching. I also realised what a good job you had done with the filming of the roses - well done! Overall, a brilliant day out. And I got some more roses!
My word I can’t believe I haven’t replied to this already?!?!! ! I’m sorry I guess I missed it. A fascinating read as always nik and I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. A shame that Carolyn knight was not up to scratch when you visited but I guess these things happen. The day I was there it was magnificent but I’m not surprised to read days later it was a little beaten by the elements. Yes I had big plans for this day that kinda went a little down hill and I’m sad I didn’t record things much better. But I think repeated visits is the way forward if possible and practical. The roses can be so different just days apart. I’m glad you liked the poets wife for me it was splendid and I have since purchased one that I’m very happy with. Was it my imagination or the roses I mentioned had a generous scattering around the Garden? Weeks later I start to doubt myself. Well hope you and your wife are well and thanks for the read.
@@Jay_Jay Yes, I am just looking at the Garden Plan and DA obviously plant their most striking roses in a number of beds - Emily Bronte in 13 different beds, Gabriel Oak in 12 beds, but Claire Austin and Benjamin Britten each only featured in one bed (Gertrude was only in 4, but in huge numbers). Not surprising I suppose. Of course, we may have different opinions from those of DA gardeners as to what constitutes the best roses.
@@nikkonch yes the garden plan I didn’t get or think of that:) Gertrude I think I said in the video it was always in areas of high foot traffic either side of both entrances and I noticed it on 2 junctions both sides going through the gardens. Gentle Hermione was another rose I was looking for but only saw the one rose. I made an off the cuff remark about rose Elizabeth earlier that day in another video saying her scent was moody and I think now it’s a perfect description especially for that rose. There’s no telling how she will perform fragrance wise on any particular day and just when your convinced the fragrance will be underwhelming she hits you with a very fine tune indeed. A rose that likes to tease but I suspect one that will not feature so heavily at DA. Thanks nik
Many thanks indeed for your walk n commentary of DA garden. I too I can't smell Desdemona at a friend's place yet she says it smells nice. So I think it's to do our own particular sense of smell. For me my most favourite smell if old rose like in Gertrude. Or a strawberry fruity or citrus. Some tea scents does nothing to me. I also agree with u that weather conditions do affect rose scents. I have noticed that in my garden. I don't know many among the roses u did commentary on but do love Gertrude, PAOK, Emily Bronte n Gabriel Oak.
Hi there. Glad you enjoyed the walk around. Not as I was hoping but I went back just a couple of weeks later and it was much better fragrance wise. I think this was down to colder overnight temps when I visited on this video. The roses you mention I have them all now and fantastic they are. All very solid and reliable fragrance for me :)
Wonderful tour! Loved the commentary about the mystery of fragrance!! I believe I read somewhere that it is a technique of David Austin to plant roses 18" apart in a group of three.The roses grow into each other and create a full bush appearance.
Thanks tb but I know this Tour could have been so much better. In the coming days I’m going to consider going again and doing it much much better. But at the time of this tour I was feeling a little deflated and confused. I think it shows particularly in the camera work. ;)
@@Jay_Jay Oh that would be wonderful if you do another Trip, its always interesting to see the real growth habit of the varietys, most austinpictures don't show that well...could i kindly ask the favor of showing England's Rose and Rosemore if you are there ? I want to add them to my Collection but there are not so many pictures around...that would be lovely...🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️❤😍
Cheers for the tour! Scent is so finnicky and it seems especially so with Austens. The most consistently fragrant DAs I have are Wollerton Old Hall and Gertrude Jekyll; Mary Rose comes close. Desdemona and the Generous Gardener easily shift from redolent to scentless and Tess of the d’Urberville is almost in the same category. Then my two Malvern Hills are mild at best, but their perfume wafts on the wind on occasion, which is rare for most roses. Tottering-by-Gently and James L. Austin never exuded a whiff of anything for me, though I’ve been contradicted when it came to both, and I would’ve said the Albrighton Rambler’s almost odourless until I brought some cut flowers in the house last year and they filled the air around them with the most perfect musky aroma for a couple of days. Sun exposure, precipitation, time of day, the age of the plant and of the specific bloom definitely affect the scent and, on many occasions, the same factor affects roses differently. Then soil and, by extension, fertilizer perhaps more so? Plus the origin of the scent, whether it wafts from the petals or the stamens. I agree with you that the lack of reliability is disappointing. The one thing I seem to be able to count on is that the first few blooms coming in the middle of May will be quite fragrant in the case of most roses, DA or otherwise; perhaps that's to be chalked up to heat.
Excellent thank you. Yes this is something I wasn’t aware of. Last year my fragrant roses I never noticed any depreciation of fragrance but this year up until a couple of days ago things went down hill for many of my roses fragrance wise and I believe this is the result of lower overnight temps. This effected some roses in my garden and many roses at my trip to da. But I’m in the process of putting together another video I will touch on this again. Thanks for your comment.
I know this video was posted a while ago but just watching as part of research for my garden. I can confirm that to me Desdemona is almost like limes and lemon, and very clean smelling. I notice its stronger just as the flower has opened and not strong at all in the evenings. Hope that helps 👍
Jay...l recommend u get # Royal Palace is red & very fragrant even in a wet & rainy tropical or # Firefighter from Australia. # Evelyn too is the old DA rose that's is so fragrant. # Fragrant Plum is a SA fragrant variety # Damask pink of course.
Hi there, yes I got two desdeamona now. I went back to DA a few weeks later and I bought them after I smelt it’s fragrance. But on this particular day they were a little tight to release the scent :)
I’ve got Desdemona Jay and it hasn’t got much scent. I’ve got Lady of Shallot in front of a trellis will try to get it to climb. Gave Queen of Denmark away! 🤪 I want the Generous Gardener if I can find the right spot. Can’t believe you didn’t buy. Did you see Munstead Wood? The fragrance is sublime.
I did buy a little later and now have Emily bronte, Carolyn knight, poets wife, James Galway and princess Alexandra of Kent as a result of my visit on this occasion. :)
Hi Jay Jay ! Greetings from Ireland 💚 Love your garden ..You have a lot of roses planted in the pots.. i am planning to plant this year a lot of roses in the pots too . Inspiration from your garden!!😄 So another question ❓ can you please let me know what date did you visited David Austin rose garden..as we are planning journey from Ireland..and i really would like to see DA garden in full bloom ..more blooms 😅😊 Thanks
Thanks for very lively virtual tour of the Garden. I have learned about few more varieties and ideas. your commentary makes it feel that if we were there.
Thanks bloombaag. I know 100 percent I could do a whole lot better. If I go again there will be no voice over and I will do more than half heartedly squirt of the camera around ;) the more of these comments I reply to this morning the more I’m growing determined to smash it next time :)
@@antonio3x3x3 great stuff but remember those roses for me, work. Your nose might pick up different things. That said I honestly believe Gertrude in particular will always push out a decent intensity. :) But if you can whenever you go to the garden centre have a try for yourself. The picture can and does change IMO. Best of luck ;)
@@Jay_Jay yah...i had an experience with this before.It was with my munstead wood.I planted it i a huge pot and situated it in front of the house southeast part.exposed in tje elements rain/wind for 3 years it was slow and stunted.Then i decided to move it in a less sun but more protected from wind. In that same year it grew twice its height and gave me lots of bloom.I could not believe it. So, i may consider this with desdemona if it will not grow this year.In fairness i only had it last spring bare root. so its only a year old really.but still compared to how PW, jubilee celebration and Boscobel florish they are amazing.🙂🙏
Thanks for the informative video. Almost as good as being there yourself. There's an extremely interesting detailed article about rose fragrance online - I did a search for "best weather for rose scent" and ended up on a page giving Karen's garden tips, where she talks about all sorts of factors affecting fragrance - colour, petal numbers and thickness, etc. I think that as we age we lose quite a bit of our ability to smell, and some people are anyway better "smellers". My wife is much more sensitive than me and often assures me that the rose I cannot smell does in fact have a fragrance. I tend to only really appreciate strong old rose/ fruity smells. However we react differently as well - she finds the scent of Lady Of Shalott unpleasant for example. I was looking at my impressive 5 foot tall Ancient Mariner with its 200 (!) blooms/buds today but the damp cool weather didn't let me get a good whiff - but since it is a myrrh fragrance I won't fully appreciate it anyway. However its strong upright growth and health together with the large, attractive flowers and its overall "neat" appearance ( a feature commented on by a visitor today when comparing it with my Eustacia Vyes) are inclining me to want to plant more (maybe a group of three!), whatever the fragrance. Although since they are so impressive on their own, perhaps it is not really worthwhile planting them as a group. I do really like the fragrances of Desdemona, Emily Bronte and of course Gertrude Jekyll (and Abraham Darby which is now difficult to get hold of because of health issues in the UK).
Lovely Reply as always nik. Yes I read up about this when I got back from DA. I read several articles online but chose to mention DA’s own one from Their website. I don’t think the loss of fragrance is just because I’m now an old git!:) 😃😃 but I do believe atmospherics, temperature, light and overall weather can also play a significant part in diluting fragrance. The problem is most of my learning until now comes from good old UA-cam. And a man of your calibre I trust you understand what I tried to allude to in this video 😉. You may see my response to Netty. Tonight I got home from work and we are back in business:) 😃😃. For how long I don’t know. Perhaps it was the low overnight temps we have been seeing lately I really don’t know. But tonight I got great fragrance. Let’s hope it continues. :)
I did leave empty handed naffy i promise you. I was actually a little deflated when there. But these roses I speak of for me were splendid. Emily bronte and the poets wife do not be surprised if they end up in my garden ;) do you fancy doing a video on how/if rose fragrance can fluctuate? You have an air of academic about you!:)
@@Jay_Jay Why deflated, if due to the blooms, the peak season of flowering is starting from the 3rd week of June from my experience last year (after several visits). The shrub roses and the long garden climbers and rambler will be at full display. I suppose I could research on rose fragrance and factors which may influence it. I also have Emily Bronte and it is a twin of Eustacia Vye in terms of fragrance and bloom shape. Cheers 😊
@@anorthfacinggarden9045 I thought you would have been up to scratch on fragrance already so dont worry if it’s a ballache but I’m pretty sure you could nail that better than anyone. Emily was lovely. And noticed a very generous scattering of her throughout the gardens along with poets wife and Gertrude.
Hi Jeff and sorry for not replying sooner. I haven’t touched UA-cam for sometime. Yes this visit to da I HAD to get this rose. The most adorable fragrance. I haven’t messed around with potting this rose either she has gone straight in the ground in a sunny position. I’m hoping she does well.
@@Jay_Jay CK and Summer song are gorgeous in color and fragrance. but they had bad reputation in China for not being able to survive the summer heat(summer in China is Very Hot up to 35℃+), so I would recommend to get some protection in hot days.
Thanks for the tour and comment on the fragrance. I loved the video. If you remember Jude the Obscure could you please comment on both the look and the fragrance? Thank you
I've seen video's on people going to David Austin HQ, but I think your tour is my fav, because your love of roses and it shows, well done on a awesome video, and I hope you had great day mate! :D
Thanks Jason. But I know I could have done this video a whole lot better. I am considering going again but this time I need a better understanding behind me. :) cheers mate
Yes the weather can make a huge difference. It is said the fragrance of roses attracts the insects to pollinate. If the weather is not right for the insects the roses can turn off the fragrance tap. Some varieties of rose more than others. Here we are having consistently low overnight temps so even if it’s perfectly nice during the day the damage has been done already.
Hi Jay next year I am going to do a video focused on fragrance. I am keeping a note of the weather time or year time of the day to see what I find with my roses. Fragrance really does seem the biggest mystery and so complex and maybe even personal. I went out and had another "sniff" of my gentle Hermione and its there but nowhere near as punchy as in May June time when it knocks your sock off. Funny enough my most fragrant right now is wallerton old hall. The deep cupped shape seems to trap the fragrance like a scent bomb when you smell it up close. QOS very faint my gorgeous shropshire lad also a much lighter fragrance than in earlier months. Rose de reich strong as ever Gertrude has finished so I can't compare at the moments. Vanessa bell is still blooming like crazy and smells of sweets like pear drops and sherbert
Please do Hailey that would be great if you were to do a video, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Many people I’ve heard will talk of what sex you are depends on the fragrance you do or don’t detect, older people lose there sense of smell or time of day effects the fragrance. Different flowers at different stages on the same rose etc. Personally I think there is perhaps some gravity in this. But for me the most sound explanation is the weather. Especially unseasonable weather. This year in June time we had very unseasonal mild overnight temps, even if during the daytime it was perfect and sunny, those cold overnight temps killed the fragrance. I have read that roses do a job of attracting pollinators and if the weather isn’t safe for those pollinators the roses will literally turn off the fragrance tap. A window is required of at least 48 hours of seasonal weather for the roses to release the scent. So the consecutive cold overnight temps obviously disturbed that. That said I do think that some varieties of rose handle this situation better than others. Emily Bronte for one. But I’d love to hear your thoughts because I agree it’s far more complex than I first thought. Perhaps people are getting into the hobby and buying roses with an…. Expectation of this or that, but without an understanding those same people might find disappointment. So highlighting this must be a good thing. Best of luck Hailey ;)
Gertrude Jekyll always makes me think of her getting her gardener to place a dead hare at the bottom of the hole when a rose was planted in her garden.
Hi chap, I went there on Thursday, had an amazing visit. My other half wants to go back at the end of June to get the full effect. I love that place, it’s my second visit. I also went there to buy Desdemona and I found her to be stunning with beautiful fragrance. I brought three of her to put in the border and the fragrence is lovely, I find it kind of spicy ??😂. I can’t stop smelling them every time lol pass 😂😂. I am a novice gardener, only been at it 2 years or so and got into it by accident. I agree with you though fragrance varies. If you go back, seriously consider Desdemona it’s a beautiful rose. One other thing, I had a longish conversation with one of the rose guys at David Austin, to try and get as much info as I could whilst I was there and they apparently plant in 3s or 5s, 3 roses per square metre. Great videos jay jay, cheers
Excellent mate. Yes I was careful to not come across as saying it wasn’t a fragrant rose, I know it must be fragrant but for me on this day I was only getting tiny fragrance. Not just Desdemona rose but several of the other big name big gun roses I only got light fragrance. Some I got decent fragrance from so I know my nose was working. I am hoping to go again in bear future hopefully in the next couple of weeks. :)
@@Jay_Jay mate you know so much more than me and I think fragrance is personal too. You didn’t come across in any way knocking the roses 👍 hope you have a great visit next time.
Hi Elian. This was filmed in July last year. I have since bought Carolyn knight and planted in the ground early this year. So taking into account this rose is still an infant I’ve discovered it’s flowers do not do so well in heat and rain. On its day fantastic as you see here, it’s a sport of summer song rose so the same rose just slightly different colour. It’s also grown pretty tall and leggy but remember it’s still an infant in my garden. These are my findings after just one summer, perhaps it will toughen up in future years I hope so because on its day it’s gorgeous. Thanks and good luck
@@Jay_Jay thank you for your detailed reply. I found different weather, climate and soil also will affect its color. I like Carolyn Knight’s color, but sad to hear it didn’t grow well at the moment. Will keep going follow your YT, hoping to hear more sharing. 😊
Desdemona in my garden for 3 years and does not smell at all. Others I have planted at work give a lovely scent in the second flush, however i am not happy with mine as it too is very floppy.
Sorry to hear that Manuel. Roses I’m sure will be different for different people in different locations. I have an Olivia rose Austin that it doing twice as well only a few feet apart. Don’t give up I’m sure a decent rose will fit in your garden. I’m lucky to wait 2 years let alone 3. I’d try something else in that spot before it’s too late and the soil gets contaminated by your Desdemona. Best of luck.
Thanks for the lovely tour. I hope to get there too one day. I'm feeling the same as you on the fragrances especially this year. Desdemona at the front of the house you can normally smell from the pavement but this year so far very little, along with Boscobel and Eustacia Vye. I'm hoping it improves as the season goes on.
So glad you said that Netty. I felt bad even mentioning Desdemona in this video but truth is there were many big name roses I just didn’t get much from when I went. Even boscobel In my garden has been very disappointing the past week or so. However, just tonight I got home and you may be pleased to know we are back in business, And I filmed it! Footage is dark and not great so probably won’t upload but I’ll see tomorrow at work. Boscobel is probably the strongest I’ve ever smelt tonight. And tonight I have a new strongest fragrant rose! I’ve no idea what’s going on but keep the faith.
I've found these to smell really wonderful (not in order). 1) Ebb tide 2) Princess Charlene de Monaco 3) Memorial Day 4) Blue Girl (she doesn't last in a vase though). 5) Mr. Lincoln 6) Don Juan (super rich Velvet red climbing rose The color/texture really stands out). 7) Pope John Paul 11 (a beautiful white hybrid tea rose that lasts very long in a vase, and in the garden).
Many thanks for that tlc. Blue girl is a rose that’s been mentioned to me before and mr Lincoln is a rose I’ve looked at on a few occasions. A classic! But not easy to get hold of.
@@Jay_Jay yeah, I was fortunate that my local nurseries happened to have them when I was buying roses. Blue girl is such a gorgeous color too. Too bad she barely lasts a day or she'd be my perfect rose. I just started getting serious about roses this year.. they're doing great in large pots for me as long as I keep them fertilized🙂.
Poets wife is onevof the best...it is the best performer in my garden...first to bloom,proliferous,scent is constant irregardless if weather (Ireland)it seems tolerant to rain.The first year i had P.W she bloomed continously up christmas...i remember my relations spent christmas 2018 in my place and was astounded that P.W is still blooming.Very reliable,so as jubilee celebration and lafy of shalot.
Glad to hear that, I just added PW this year and I'm looking forward to it. Im on the shores of strangford lough, I used to garden at 800 ft just outside Belfast 😩 Heartbreaking 🙄 But here we enjoy something akin to a microclimate, milder, drier but with ferocious southerly winds.
Hi!Roontunes...well, I'm in county Cork.Southwest of the county but not too near the shore.I have strong wind in the southwest part of my garden ang my roses are battered during the bad weather.In this part, i have pots in roses and few planted in the ground.i'm collecting DA's...But i noticed my potted ones do suffer from weather and slow to growm.My P.W is doing so so well because i planted it in my back garden it grew about 4.5 feet and 3 ft wide full of blooms.If you like yellow roses you might consider PW.🙂
When you have to repot a rose you find out how quickly they cram a pot. And it has to be a huge pot to keep a shrub rose healthy. You might get better results with a patio rose or a small floribunda in s pot . Never been to cork, too far to drive for a spot of fishing 🤗. As for the wind, same here, they hate the wind and a rose in a pot will dry out quicker in a pot when it's getting wind blown. The also need reported every other year at least
@@roontunes yah they do cram quickly alright I change soil every 3 years in pot but yearly i top it with horse manure.it cost money as there is about 25 of them🤭im addicted to roses dont know when to stop😄 .Yah...Cork is way too far for fishing...I also follow one rosarian from Tallahasse,florida.I dont know if you have seen his potted roses in youtube...it is very healthy and huge full of blooms.he uses Air pot.I went around my area looking for this pot, i cant find it.probably he gets it online.
Happy Christmas Jay Jay !🎄 It's raining I'm warm indoors and just found this - a little wander around David Austin's with you :) I too went this year towards the end of June beginning of July I think, Emily was the stand out for me also, I had to put her on the top of my want list she looks so dainty and the fragrance was just lovely maybe like you say they are everywhere so I may have just noticed her a lot more !! Anyway I love her & I'm glad I got her. Did you ever get a Carolyn Knight? I think you can get a bare root at the moment, I didn't see that one I must have missed it. Was my first visit have to do it again and would love to go to Peter Beales one day too, their gardens look wonderful🤩
Hi there soulgirl and a merry Christmas to you too. I was gonna do a Christmas video but for one reason or another…I didn’t. Yes a wonderful visit. I actually went back just a few weeks later and it was much better and more what I was expecting. I actually done some filming whilst there on that second visit for a Christmas special type thing but as I told a few people now, I lost all that footage. I got locked out of my UA-cam account in the summer and couldn’t get back in for love nor money! I thought it was lost forever so in an attempt to get back in I wiped and reset my phone. It didn’t get me back in plus I lost all that video footage. Very annoying. Yes Carolyn knight I have now. It was a lovely rose and stand out for me on that day. I only saw a small group of them in one area but fantastic. And Emily I have now also. I will be going back next year similar time. I loved it. Well hopefully I’ll see updates on your channel in the new year I’ll look forward to that. For me I need to get back in the groove which I will ;) I hope 2023 brings you health wealth and happiness:) 🌹🌹🌹
@@Jay_Jay Oh no that's sounds like a real nightmare with your account I'm sorry to hear that I didn't know. Glad you got Carolyn Knight I could see you were taken with that one. I'm looking forward to more videos of your roses and your Mums garden, soon be Spring I hope and at least we've got the sun room back for the time being ! haha well most of it anyway, still a few plants in there being babied :) 💐🌸💮🌺🌹🏵 All the very best for 2023
I’ve seen a video (it’s long) I’ll have to send u the link. It’s with Paul Zimmerman and the woman in charge of David Austin roses here in the USA. I knew you can plant them so close ! She talks about all that. It’s a video u might want to have on while you’re in the car driving . It’s long but interesting. I’m loving all my roses and yes some days stronger than others . I don’t have the poets wife . The woman in the video talks about the roses getting more beautiful and larger with time. Paul Zimmerman said something extremely striking . Was something like”my hands weren’t this big when I was a baby” Everything takes time and patience and I’m betting my flowers will get better with time. I’m in the mindset that if they look good now it only gets better. Good luck with your purchase. Did u see any golden celebration? That one is my new fav so far I thing it blows me away. Crown princess of margarite yesssss mine if doing amazing in that sunless corner . Can’t wait for next yr.
Thanks Lucy. I will take a look. Yes there was some very close planting that I saw. Very close together. I did see golden celebration yes. A nice rose. It was a little heavy, droopy and the fragrance was ok for me on that day I was there. But a nice rose. The pilgrim and tottering by gently also nice roses but for me anyway the poets wife left the other yellows for dead. Poets wife I saw no bleaching, upright growth, many flowers and a lovely scent.
Everyone is different . Every climate is different. It’s ok to like what you like. I personally like the lighter colors that fade to cream. Something for everyone! I can’t wait to see what you go with. I’m thinking of adding a few more climbers . I’m confused as to what to go with. Definitely want more hight behind my princess A of Kent .
I much prefer Windermere over Desdemona...stronger scent and prettier flower and more of them...but I agree..weather and location can make a huge difference..this year many rosie people on know on Instagram have said Austin's are low on fragrance this year compared to 2021...a rose I would think you like is Summer Romance...I believe Graham Thomas is 1 of its parents..but it doesn't have the blackspot problem that GT has..Cathedral Bells and Queen of Elegance are also nice and 1 I think has English in its background ...🌹🌹🌹🌹
Hi there, yes summer romance is a rose I love. I have 4 of them. All new towards the tail end of last year or bare root this year. Despite there young age I’m over the moon with them. Yes I didn’t notice the lack of fragrance last year but I didn’t have many fragrant roses and the ones I did have last year were in the very fragrant category , Fragrant cloud, Gertrude etc. I haven’t seen any conversation about the weather and fragrance this year, that would have made things less confusing for me. I’m sure there must have been many years like this over the years. I don’t even think it’s been overly wet has it? I will look at the roses you mention. Thanks for dropping by.
Great coverage JJ. Thanks for sharing. Surprised you did not buy Poet's Wife ? Congrats on 600 subs....the channel is motoring now ! This video will get you to 1k imo.ATB Gav
Mate I know I messed up with this video. I know I could have done a far better job. I was just so deflated and confused shortly after entering. It shows 100 percent in the camera work This footage is just a salvage. I’m pretty sure I’m gonna go again.
@@Jay_Jay Let me know when you next go, I might meet up with you! It's only 90 minutes from me but I've never been ! The video is fine mate. Very informative. ATB Gav
@@DigPlantWaterRepeat Hi there, (not sure what to call you) but welcome 😀😀. I’ve just looked very briefly and I see you have your own channel, I will look forward to browsing through that later and watching your content. In the meantime if you know Gavin, I’m trying to bully him into showing us his garden:) If you could help me that would be great ;) 😃😃😃😃
I absolutely love this video, and love your voice/accent as well (I'm from the US). In regards to smell (you may have already thought about this), did you happen to have any allergies or a cold at that time, or did you take antihistamines? Those things can affect my sense of smell. If not, I'm wondering if the fertizer they used had an affect. I used bone meal on my roses for the first time, and noticed the new blooms were intensified. Wonderful video, thank you.
Hi there. I know what it was now why the fragrance wasn’t too good and that’s because the whole month of June we had lower than normal overnight temps. And sadly this killed the daytime fragrance on many of the roses. When things heated up during the night the fragrance arrived. I went back to DA a few weeks later and the scent was there. ;)
I haven't watched yet, but I have noticed something that doesn't seem to get mentioned,. and that is that the DA roses even the mighty GJ, lose the fragrance after being cut and brought into the house after 24 hours. This I was disappointed to learn, compared to the overwhelming fragrance from a cut peony.
In my experience, peak Rose time is the last two weeks in June through the first week in July, obviously depending on the weather. As for scent, there are a lot of reasons why scent might change, including the fact that men tend to lose their sense of smell more than women as they get older, but certainly weather is a factor and it’s something I thought was widely understood. Scent is about attracting insects to pollinate so plants have evolved to throw out more scent when there’s likely to be more insects about and less scent when fewer insects will be about such as on rainy/overcast days. As you claimed you couldn’t find any UA-cam videos that talk about this (I assume in the context of Roses/DA Roses) I’m surprised you haven’t seen any of my multiple videos filmed at DA Roses which have thousands of views. Here’s one where I specifically mention scent and how the weather can affect it when I’m looking at the Rose Grace. m.ua-cam.com/video/yIskDpFE6YI/v-deo.html
I did not leave a comment on your channel at the time, but glimpsing you here made me smile. Your recordings of and commentary on the development of your own Mayleen clematis over the years persuaded me to plant four of them a few months back. Cheers!
Hi there, thanks very much for your comment. Rather than type a lengthy reply I actually thought video would be quicker way of responding. I was wrong! I will try and upload later. And thanks once again
I have a little story , 62 years ago a rose breeder fled from the occupyd germany and wasnt gunt down he knew a girl in holland and married her and started with her a rose breeding garden and they planted and sold their roses in ouwer front garden it were single flower roses fire red no smel 70 cm high .and here coms the question and anwser as in that time 5 year old boy i was standing in the first summer they bloom in front of them and the inpact was born for the rest off my live, so are the da roses beautifull they sertainly are but the impact ......red roses single flower ... So here you see one off the things that are on the pallet of colours in the " mind" that toutch a click with the flower for one person or not. Succes with the flowers who toutches ouwer innerbeen, tony netherlands
@@Jay_Jay no a dont remeber that rose and here we go again 62 years ago but when i see a variation off them well you get the Feeling off it.. In my expectation the quarterd roos is beautyful but.. The smell toutses a other sence and so on.. And for sure you have to love again other ones.. Alsof that is a question on his own to learn to get space in the mind to apreciate.. Many greetings from the netherlands a beautyful hobby off the innerbeigh. Toon
@@antoonvermeulen8064 growing up as a child my parents had many many roses. For the life of me I can’t remember most of them but spent many hours trying to find online names I might recognise and trying to fit the ones I can recall in my garden. Fragrant cloud for one that always takes me back to childhood when I smell it. ;)
Oh you have some unusual roses. The only one I recognise is chandos beauty. I got two of them and they have budded well but still not opened. Looking forward to another fragrance in my little garden
Zhanna is there any way of getting English subtitles on your channel? I can’t seem to do it my end when I go to auto generate subtitles it only comes up the Russian language. Can you enable English, is that possible?
(You don’t have to have permanent subtitles just enable the English language subtitles option, and it should generate English subtitles for those that choose. I’ve not seen it used yet and don’t know how accurate it will be ) thanks
Thank you for posting this. A couple of observations if I may. I see DA use woodchip as a mulch or weed suppressant. I am surprised at that, there is so much critical commentary on woodchip and a lot of it negative. Of all the roses I have I so far can only recommend three for positive strong fragrance. Gertrude of course, Isaac perierre, wonderful fruity fragrance and Floriana, a rose I got from Tuin Centrum in holland, even my wife ( my worst critic ) goes 'wow !' Boscobel, nothing LA of Kent, nothing Harlow Carr, nothing Queen of Sweden, nothing Eustacia vye, 3/10 James Galway lightly fragrant 3/10 Bathsheba delicious, unusual but light and seldom CP Margareta, 3/10, fresh and fruity Gardeners Glory, a rock solid golden yellow HT bloom form with vigorous growth and 5/10 fragrance Candy land, nothing Duchess of Cambridge ( Chippendale) fabulous prolific bloomer but no scent so far Susan Williams Ellis gave up delightful citrus fragrance last year (yr 1) but so far this year, nothing That's what's blooming for me at the moment. But it's a lottery, too cool too warm too windy too early too late too acid too alkali wrong mulch 😩😩😩 yes indeed some expert rosarians swear by granite pebbles to boost fragrance 🤗. But they're all gorgeous to see and worth waiting for
Wow roontunes thank you for your reply. Thank you thank you thank you. Fragrance can be such a minefield. People want to hear certain things, even I want to hear certain things! but I’m finding that it’s not always as straight forward as that. Different people, different noses, different atmospherics, different weather can effect different roses differently😂😂😂. And I’m only learning this now. I don’t think it’s something that is so widely spoken of on social media. Not that I have seen anyway. All I can do is bring to you my honest opinion as best I can and hope people understand things may be different for them also. Thanks ever so much for your comment, travelling back from da it felt I was going mad.
Regarding the wood chip mulch this is the first I have heard of this negative aspect, I will look into this. I will also of course cast an eye on your fragrant roses.
Wood chips. Almost everything you can buy is artificially coloured, potentially 'treated'. If the wood chip begins to migrate into the soil then the soil begins to break it down and that can take many many months to the detriment of the plants. When the woodchip become damp and mouldy it harbours all manner of critters that will devour your roses. I'm sure DA will do all the management and husbandry required to keep the woodchip problem under control but Joe Blogs just wants a weed barrier that he can forget about. Me, I'm using leaf litter topped up with lawn clippings around my roses that are in my daffodil bed so I don't kill my bulbs, I pull it away from the canes to keep them clear at the bottom. In my other beds I use broken slates in a fan pattern as a suppressant, looks well, suppresses the weeds and allows the soil to breathe. On another note. Isaac perierre grew long canes last year with adequate blooms. I didn't prune them this year, just pegged them and they are heaving with strongly fragrant blooms. Your obedient 'lovely viewer' 😉
Thanks Jade yes I watched it. The video was sadly bought out a few days after mine. It was explained to me by someone far more educated than myself that in addition to what she says here, part of the reason for fragrance is too attract pollinators. And IF the weather is too dangerous or not suitable for these pollinators at any particular moment in time, or too dangerous for it’s flowers, then the rose literally turns off the fragrance tap. So colder overnight temps fall into that category. And crucially it takes 24 or even 48 hours for the fragrance to come through again. So regardless of weather the following day, the time of day or how many flowers on a rose you smell, no matter what stage of development the flower is in, if that fragrance tap has been turned off it then takes time 24-48 hours for the oils to come through again for our noses. Some varieties fair a little differently than others with a more reliable fragrance. Emily bronte for example and my new purchase this year mum in a million. Throw into the mix our noses our ages it gets pretty complex. But the above message as far as I was aware at the time at least I for one was completely unaware of. Thanks for the link that is my understanding of it now.
You are not in the minority ! Through the years, David Austin's roses caused a lot of debate around the world...just because of the company's claims. On every attribute of a named variety, the rosarian world is quite tight, so any claim is noted by the gardeners. The big issue with D.A. roses has been in fragrance, color, size, and disease resistance. I for one, stopped mail ordering any named variety, unless i loved just the form in the picture. DA's pictures from the company were always photoshopped with color, which made them useless for trusting. { One has to remember that the internet as we know today wasn't around for quite a long period in the life time of the company, so a buyer was at the mercy of the grower.} If any other attribute was doubtful, i waited to read about others experiences, or experienced it in person, like in an established garden. Now, another BIG issue was fragrance....which a lot of people were disappointed in. With this, adding to the failure of health and bloom frequency, the old time rosarians rightfully got shy with trust. The next big issue was the "Variety Making Machine" mentality that developed, where good all around popular varieties were axed from production, and then replaced by the company with inferior NEW varieties. Another point is the fact that DA is the new kid on the block, with a NEW product that the world didn't take to easily. DA himself defended his new hybrids with the excuse that they are a different beast altogether compared to the standard varieties in the world, and as such, need 'several years' to get established. So, when everyone came up with a consensus of a great or good DA rose varieties, { all from years of trials } they were very disappointed that this variety was then discontinued ....leading to more trust issues. The biggest problem still is the fragrance issue. Around the world a lot of varieties just don't have it....and that's from all environment's. When a rose is classified in fragrance as good or great, it has to be so from all the different environments to get a general consensus. That's the standard for getting a reputation, not because you have to shove your nose into a flower....of which there are numerous none DA roses out there, that are not classified as a strong or fragrant, because you have to bury your nose in the flower to get the scent. So i just don't trust DA the company anymore. I love his roses, but i'm sticking with his old varieties that need codeling just because of their truly great flowers that have fragrance and beautiful shape.
Everyone should be aware that if it doesn't say 'English' rose, that it isn't a rose bred by David Austin. I think this is very misleading for the customer. Queen of Denmark is an old rose, which was NOT bred by David Austin.
I’m just trying to understand what your saying here forgive my stupidity but I’ve read it several times. You use the words doesnt and isn’t and two negatives equals a positive? But I think your saying old english roses are often incorrectly thought of as being David austin roses. Or put another way but equally incorrect, for a rose to be classed as being an English rose, it has to be bred by David Austin ? If so then yes this is an incorrect belief. There are many other English and British rose breeders currently and who were around long before david Austin. The term English rose has been around for centuries. If I referred to queen of Denmark as being a david austin rose in this video I apologise. ;)
@Jay_Jay sorry for the confusion, David Austin sells many roses which he didn't breed but still sells online & at his nursery Eg Iceberg - which is a common rose that can be bought anywhere. It isn't described in his sales catalogue as 'an English shrub rose', just as a 'shrub rose,climbi g rose etc'. The same goes for fragrant cloud, Queen of Denmark, etc etc, on fact any rose not bred by David austin. I have noted through the years that all David Austin roses bred by him have the word 'English' in the discription. If it doesn't, then it wasn't bred by him. I'm really pleased you did the nursery tours. BTW, I found it very helpful.
I appreciate your honesty about roses. The net is full of "experts" who do not mention the disadvantages of certain roses. Thank you for your very informative video. From Sweden/Greece
Thank you George
Thank you for this video! The Poet's Wife and Princess Alexandra of Kent are very beautiful. Gertrude Jeckyl and Crown Princess Margareta look amazing against pillars and of course the Lady of Shalott took my breath away on this video. I'm sure it would reduce me to tears should I ever have the privilege of bearing witness to it climbing like that in real life. Except for a couple locations, the majority of Canadians can only dream of growing roses in such manner. 🇨🇦
Thank you so much for this footage, I enjoyed every minute of it!
Hi there and sorry for the delay in replying. Thanks for dropping by
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I reckon the form on the Generous Garden is so gorgeous. Some roses don’t have scents, as you know, but they have beautiful foliage and the flowers with its fragrance is such an extra added bonus.
Thanks for the tour, I love that you are not pretending to know everything, it’s refreshing.
The generous gardener looked so awesome I have to say. That particular rose could end up in my garden I wouldnt be surprised.
Thank you for the honesty. It helps us all to learn.
Your welcome and thanks for dropping by
I agree, Carolyn knight is astonishing, my favorite as well.
Oh thank you for taking us to Austin Gardens...❤❤ that's sad that you can't smell Desdemona, i have her and she smells very strong, even with rain, which effects some Varietys in Fragrance....i noticed a difference in colour, our Summers here are much hotter and the Sunshine more intense, most of my Austins fade in Summer very quickly, Gentle Hermione is almost white here and has intense Myrrh fragrance... and Jubilee Celebretion is just a delight ..Queen of Denmark is a very old Rose, i think she Flowers only once...Caroline Knight is a yellow Sport of Summer song which i Love very much for this incredible orange colour and the outstanding Fragrance, i don't know the Poets Wife but from the Fragrance Graham Thomas is outstanding.... .Lovely Reviews Thanks 🙋🏼♀️
Thank you das :)
Absolutely beautiful awesome flowers .
Thank you
Where do I buy these seedlings
0:18 Wow! Look at that quartering! I don't care fro white, too much like a blank sheet of paper with nothing on it, but THAT quartering in white would be awesome. Back later, nearly midnight here in Ohio.
The Poet's wife is a stunner! It looks upright and full of golden yellow blooms. Mine here in southeastern US is still a baby and it's graceful, but still a floppy one. I want my roses to look like this so bad!
About fragrance though...I think there are definitely a lot of factors that play into fragrance, and the weather is definitely one of them. James Galway and Munstead Wood are good examples for me. I've grown Munstead Wood for years and only just discovered this year it's fragrance. The strongest fragrance came from blooms on a new and thick cane. It was in the middle of the morning around 9:30am. Later in the day it wasn't as strong, but it was still present. When it's super hot, you barely smell anything at all.
James Galway is another one that caught me off guard. I thought this one had no fragrance at all, but strangely, it was in the hottest part of the day when it was fragrant. It was actually strong enough to smell from a distance on one bloom. But in the morning, I didn't smell a thing.
Hi Derek. Yes the poets wife did look exceptional here. I did buy one as a result of this visit it’s sat in my garden now but it’s currently very droopy. Wether or not it will stiffen up in time I don’t know.
Fragrance yes many factors come into play. I think this year we had low overnight temps throughout June. Like single digit overnight temps. This killed the daytime fragrance in many roses I believe. I’m told colder overnight Temps roses can turn off there fragrance tap as it’s not best temps for insects to pollinate so they hold back. Also I’ve found some roses are not fragrant until you cut them and bring them indoors. Add to this the time of day, heat, stage of flowering, rain, it can get very complex. Thanks for dropping by and may your roses be fragrant ones :)
@@Jay_Jay Hey! I was looking for footage of The Poet's Wife and came back to your video! I think your footage is the best I've seen of this rose. Mine sadly still doesn't look like the ones you shot. It's an own root I've had for a few years now. It's very fragrant and has bloomed a lot, but like you said, it's very droopy and floppy and I haven't gotten any very large blooms from it either. I think it's because it's own root. I'm considering ordering a grafted one from DA for next season to see what it does. How has yours done for you this year?
I'm also curious what you thought of Gabriel Oak's fragrance. It's a sweet fragrance that reminds me of hyacinth. It's something I like from a distance, but up close it's not that pleasant.
Thank Perfevy review. Exactly what I needed to see and hear.
Thanks cheetara
Stunning beautiful flowers June and July the perfect month to visit David Austin Roses, I went there last August not much blooms. thanks for sharing.
Thank you.
...... 6:32 yes, my Poet's wife is in her 3rd year now, endured the terrible ohio winter VERY well. The fragrance is 70% old rose, 30% grapefruit and the flower form is flawless, some blossoms are quartered, then disorganize upon maturity. A blessing to have such a clear, luminous, CADMIUM yellow, not mustard yellow rose. Gertrude Jekyll and Vita Sackville West's hearts would be beating fast to discover such a rose for their garden's. They lived in a simpler, more romantic era, we live in a more abundant era. And to be able to send your images all over the planet in a few seconds is truly a blessing, thank you for sharing. Now we need phones/computers that emanate fragrance! LOL!
With an ongoing pungent septic tank replacement next door we decided last night to see if we could get booked in to visit the David Austin Gardens in Albrighton today (Wednesday 8th June), about a 120 mile round trip. I was very surprised to find quite a few 3-hour slots available for today. It's nice to know that it can be a more spontaneous thing and that you don't have to plan weeks ahead - or maybe it's just a midweek lull?
The visit was very useful because I particularly wanted to be able to see the roses in bloom (to see their size, colour and shape, and how the flowers fade and age) and see what their fragrances were like. The weather was nearly perfect, warm enough but not so hot that you got exhausted by the heat. My wife actually took quite an interest (which was unexpected and very gratifying - have I converted her?) and expressed some enthusiasm for buying this or that rose, and we both enjoyed sitting in one area of the garden admiring the hundreds of roses in beds and listening to the birdsong. There are at least 3 peacocks who made their presence heard (not so much bird "song" as screaming) and one was unconcernedly walking around people's feet as they walked along the paths - you had to take care not to tread on his sweeping trail of feathers. I was pleased that my sense of smell seemed to be working as well as it can these days, and I was able to appreciate the scents of many of the roses. My wife was keen to get a spreading ground-cover rose called "Centre Stage" and she fancied a fragrant yellow rose, so we got "The Poet's Wife" which you featured and recommended in your video, and we both agreed on the fragrant white "Susan Williams Ellis". I was a little disappointed that despite all the varieties on offer none struck me as must-buys, and quite a few were quite disappointing in real life compared with their catalogue images, although a few surprised me as being possible buys. I think I have already bought the ones I really, really want (and some I could maybe do without). Also we were both struck with how one type of rose looked good in one context, but not in another - was it the time of day, the stage of blooming, the light, the weather, our level of tiredness? Even one of my favourites, The Ancient Mariner, failed to impress when compared with my example at home - is it because I was comparing a young rose with my more established rose?
I made a point of looking at the Carolyn Knight that grabbed your fancy. I'm sorry to tell you that neither of us was impressed - the colour seemed to have washed out to pale yellow since you saw it and I think some recent rain had caused balling of its many petals, leaving it looking rather bedraggled - although the scent was delicious. I think your point about the timing of your visit is valid - some of the roses you showed were less impressive just a few days later, and probably vice-versa. I don't think one visit is enough to get the full picture of how each variety performs over time - and in different weather conditions - but, unless you live close by, repeated visits are easier said than done. And you are unlikely to see a fully mature version of most of the roses in any case.
I realised halfway through the visit that I should have been better organised and taken detailed notes while I was in front of the roses I liked, since I did lose track of my favourites and the reasons I liked them, because of the sheer quantity of roses you are looking at. I think there are about a dozen DA roses in total which would for me be worthy of a place in my garden - if I can find space in my garden! I was looking for a red rose and we both thought that Gabriel Oak, which we have, although not a proper red, is a good choice, with Thomas a Becket a good second, and the Old Rose "Rose de Rescht" has a beautiful fragrance. But some of the exotically named like Tuscany Superb and Ispahan turned out to be less impressive than their names suggested. The greenery around the unopened buds of the Chapeau de Napoleon was very intriguing and eye-catching.
I also realised what a good job you had done with the filming of the roses - well done!
Overall, a brilliant day out. And I got some more roses!
My word I can’t believe I haven’t replied to this already?!?!! ! I’m sorry I guess I missed it. A fascinating read as always nik and I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. A shame that Carolyn knight was not up to scratch when you visited but I guess these things happen. The day I was there it was magnificent but I’m not surprised to read days later it was a little beaten by the elements. Yes I had big plans for this day that kinda went a little down hill and I’m sad I didn’t record things much better. But I think repeated visits is the way forward if possible and practical. The roses can be so different just days apart. I’m glad you liked the poets wife for me it was splendid and I have since purchased one that I’m very happy with. Was it my imagination or the roses I mentioned had a generous scattering around the Garden? Weeks later I start to doubt myself. Well hope you and your wife are well and thanks for the read.
@@Jay_Jay Yes, I am just looking at the Garden Plan and DA obviously plant their most striking roses in a number of beds - Emily Bronte in 13 different beds, Gabriel Oak in 12 beds, but Claire Austin and Benjamin Britten each only featured in one bed (Gertrude was only in 4, but in huge numbers). Not surprising I suppose. Of course, we may have different opinions from those of DA gardeners as to what constitutes the best roses.
@@nikkonch yes the garden plan I didn’t get or think of that:) Gertrude I think I said in the video it was always in areas of high foot traffic either side of both entrances and I noticed it on 2 junctions both sides going through the gardens. Gentle Hermione was another rose I was looking for but only saw the one rose. I made an off the cuff remark about rose Elizabeth earlier that day in another video saying her scent was moody and I think now it’s a perfect description especially for that rose. There’s no telling how she will perform fragrance wise on any particular day and just when your convinced the fragrance will be underwhelming she hits you with a very fine tune indeed. A rose that likes to tease but I suspect one that will not feature so heavily at DA. Thanks nik
What a story! Thank you!
Many thanks indeed for your walk n commentary of DA garden. I too I can't smell Desdemona at a friend's place yet she says it smells nice. So I think it's to do our own particular sense of smell. For me my most favourite smell if old rose like in Gertrude. Or a strawberry fruity or citrus. Some tea scents does nothing to me. I also agree with u that weather conditions do affect rose scents. I have noticed that in my garden. I don't know many among the roses u did commentary on but do love Gertrude, PAOK, Emily Bronte n Gabriel Oak.
Hi there. Glad you enjoyed the walk around. Not as I was hoping but I went back just a couple of weeks later and it was much better fragrance wise. I think this was down to colder overnight temps when I visited on this video. The roses you mention I have them all now and fantastic they are. All very solid and reliable fragrance for me :)
Wonderful tour! Loved the commentary about the mystery of fragrance!! I believe I read somewhere that it is a technique of David Austin to plant roses 18" apart in a group of three.The roses grow into each other and create a full bush appearance.
Thanks tb but I know this Tour could have been so much better. In the coming days I’m going to consider going again and doing it much much better. But at the time of this tour I was feeling a little deflated and confused. I think it shows particularly in the camera work. ;)
@@Jay_Jay Oh that would be wonderful if you do another Trip, its always interesting to see the real growth habit of the varietys, most austinpictures don't show that well...could i kindly ask the favor of showing England's Rose and Rosemore if you are there ? I want to add them to my Collection but there are not so many pictures around...that would be lovely...🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️🙋🏼♀️❤😍
Cheers for the tour!
Scent is so finnicky and it seems especially so with Austens. The most consistently fragrant DAs I have are Wollerton Old Hall and Gertrude Jekyll; Mary Rose comes close. Desdemona and the Generous Gardener easily shift from redolent to scentless and Tess of the d’Urberville is almost in the same category. Then my two Malvern Hills are mild at best, but their perfume wafts on the wind on occasion, which is rare for most roses. Tottering-by-Gently and James L. Austin never exuded a whiff of anything for me, though I’ve been contradicted when it came to both, and I would’ve said the Albrighton Rambler’s almost odourless until I brought some cut flowers in the house last year and they filled the air around them with the most perfect musky aroma for a couple of days.
Sun exposure, precipitation, time of day, the age of the plant and of the specific bloom definitely affect the scent and, on many occasions, the same factor affects roses differently. Then soil and, by extension, fertilizer perhaps more so? Plus the origin of the scent, whether it wafts from the petals or the stamens.
I agree with you that the lack of reliability is disappointing. The one thing I seem to be able to count on is that the first few blooms coming in the middle of May will be quite fragrant in the case of most roses, DA or otherwise; perhaps that's to be chalked up to heat.
Excellent thank you. Yes this is something I wasn’t aware of. Last year my fragrant roses I never noticed any depreciation of fragrance but this year up until a couple of days ago things went down hill for many of my roses fragrance wise and I believe this is the result of lower overnight temps. This effected some roses in my garden and many roses at my trip to da. But I’m in the process of putting together another video I will touch on this again. Thanks for your comment.
Hey JayJay! Thank you for this video! I could only dream to see that place! Lucky duck!!
Hi issha hope your well and I see your garden is doing well :) Yes I was very lucky to go there last year.
Greetings from Maine. I wonder how many times you said weather in this video! Thank you for the wonderful tour!
Too many times I’m sure :) 😂😂 thanks for dropping by and sorry for the delay
The Poet’s Wife is a clear yellow, and does not seem to fade badly like most other yellows.
Yes mine is doing well in my garden now, it’s growing strong now I’m hoping this next flush with strong growth behind it the flowers do well. :)
I know this video was posted a while ago but just watching as part of research for my garden. I can confirm that to me Desdemona is almost like limes and lemon, and very clean smelling. I notice its stronger just as the flower has opened and not strong at all in the evenings. Hope that helps 👍
Jay...l recommend u get # Royal Palace is red & very fragrant even in a wet & rainy tropical or # Firefighter from Australia.
# Evelyn too is the old DA rose that's is so fragrant.
# Fragrant Plum is a SA fragrant variety
# Damask pink of course.
Thanks very much intan.
Desdemona is a super fragrant rose. With roses sun helps them release perfume more. Enjoy your videos
Hi there, yes I got two desdeamona now. I went back to DA a few weeks later and I bought them after I smelt it’s fragrance. But on this particular day they were a little tight to release the scent :)
I’ve got Desdemona Jay and it hasn’t got much scent. I’ve got Lady of Shallot in front of a trellis will try to get it to climb. Gave Queen of Denmark away! 🤪 I want the Generous Gardener if I can find the right spot. Can’t believe you didn’t buy. Did you see Munstead Wood? The fragrance is sublime.
I did buy a little later and now have Emily bronte, Carolyn knight, poets wife, James Galway and princess Alexandra of Kent as a result of my visit on this occasion. :)
Hi Jay Jay !
Greetings from Ireland 💚
Love your garden ..You have a lot of roses planted in the pots.. i am planning to plant this year a lot of roses in the pots too . Inspiration from your garden!!😄
So another question ❓ can you please let me know what date did you visited David Austin rose garden..as we are planning journey from Ireland..and i really would like to see DA garden in full bloom ..more blooms 😅😊
Thanks
Thanks for very lively virtual tour of the Garden. I have learned about few more varieties and ideas. your commentary makes it feel that if we were there.
Thanks bloombaag. I know 100 percent I could do a whole lot better. If I go again there will be no voice over and I will do more than half heartedly squirt of the camera around ;) the more of these comments I reply to this morning the more I’m growing determined to smash it next time :)
Lucky you! I enjoyed every minute of it, thank you!
I’m glad you enjoyed it Seniye ;)
Thanks so much for this! Great video.
Thank you :)
@@Jay_Jay I’m glad to say I have a mixed collection. Gertrude & Poet’s Wife will pick up the slack of the others on overcast & rainy days, I guess.
@@antonio3x3x3 great stuff but remember those roses for me, work. Your nose might pick up different things. That said I honestly believe Gertrude in particular will always push out a decent intensity. :) But if you can whenever you go to the garden centre have a try for yourself. The picture can and does change IMO. Best of luck ;)
I have desdemona and noticed that the scent is much appreciated when it is dry and sunny...it is scented...
I love my desdemona! She’s got the most sweetest growth habit.
She’s a work horse.
She flowered for me in December of last yr. Prolific bloomer
Sorry lily I only just see this comment. Yes I don’t doubt desdemona is a fragrant rose.
@@Jay_Jay This year..she is slow to start.istill dont have blooms.
@@lilyrose5612 2 of my early bloomers from last year still haven’t bloomed yet. Funny how it works sometimes :)
@@Jay_Jay yah...i had an experience with this before.It was with my munstead wood.I planted it i a huge pot and situated it in front of the house southeast part.exposed in tje elements rain/wind for 3 years it was slow and stunted.Then i decided to move it in a less sun but more protected from wind. In that same year it grew twice its height and gave me lots of bloom.I could not believe it. So, i may consider this with desdemona if it will not grow this year.In fairness i only had it last spring bare root. so its only a year old really.but still compared to how PW, jubilee celebration and Boscobel florish they are amazing.🙂🙏
Thanks for the informative video. Almost as good as being there yourself.
There's an extremely interesting detailed article about rose fragrance online - I did a search for "best weather for rose scent" and ended up on a page giving Karen's garden tips, where she talks about all sorts of factors affecting fragrance - colour, petal numbers and thickness, etc.
I think that as we age we lose quite a bit of our ability to smell, and some people are anyway better "smellers". My wife is much more sensitive than me and often assures me that the rose I cannot smell does in fact have a fragrance. I tend to only really appreciate strong old rose/ fruity smells. However we react differently as well - she finds the scent of Lady Of Shalott unpleasant for example.
I was looking at my impressive 5 foot tall Ancient Mariner with its 200 (!) blooms/buds today but the damp cool weather didn't let me get a good whiff - but since it is a myrrh fragrance I won't fully appreciate it anyway. However its strong upright growth and health together with the large, attractive flowers and its overall "neat" appearance ( a feature commented on by a visitor today when comparing it with my Eustacia Vyes) are inclining me to want to plant more (maybe a group of three!), whatever the fragrance. Although since they are so impressive on their own, perhaps it is not really worthwhile planting them as a group.
I do really like the fragrances of Desdemona, Emily Bronte and of course Gertrude Jekyll (and Abraham Darby which is now difficult to get hold of because of health issues in the UK).
Lovely Reply as always nik. Yes I read up about this when I got back from DA. I read several articles online but chose to mention DA’s own one from Their website. I don’t think the loss of fragrance is just because I’m now an old git!:) 😃😃 but I do believe atmospherics, temperature, light and overall weather can also play a significant part in diluting fragrance. The problem is most of my learning until now comes from good old UA-cam. And a man of your calibre I trust you understand what I tried to allude to in this video 😉. You may see my response to Netty. Tonight I got home from work and we are back in business:) 😃😃. For how long I don’t know. Perhaps it was the low overnight temps we have been seeing lately I really don’t know. But tonight I got great fragrance. Let’s hope it continues. :)
Thanks for sharing, I bet you didn't leave without a purchase or two 😉. The Poets wife is always a stunner and fragrant too !
I did leave empty handed naffy i promise you. I was actually a little deflated when there. But these roses I speak of for me were splendid. Emily bronte and the poets wife do not be surprised if they end up in my garden ;) do you fancy doing a video on how/if rose fragrance can fluctuate? You have an air of academic about you!:)
@@Jay_Jay Why deflated, if due to the blooms, the peak season of flowering is starting from the 3rd week of June from my experience last year (after several visits). The shrub roses and the long garden climbers and rambler will be at full display. I suppose I could research on rose fragrance and factors which may influence it. I also have Emily Bronte and it is a twin of Eustacia Vye in terms of fragrance and bloom shape. Cheers 😊
@@anorthfacinggarden9045 I thought you would have been up to scratch on fragrance already so dont worry if it’s a ballache but I’m pretty sure you could nail that better than anyone. Emily was lovely. And noticed a very generous scattering of her throughout the gardens along with poets wife and Gertrude.
Спасибо Вам. Очень красиво.
Thank you
Thanks so much!
Your welcome Nwet
carolyn knight is a mutate from summer song, its fragrance is superb with a mix of sweet fruits. it's also one of my favorite fragrance😄
Hi Jeff and sorry for not replying sooner. I haven’t touched UA-cam for sometime. Yes this visit to da I HAD to get this rose. The most adorable fragrance. I haven’t messed around with potting this rose either she has gone straight in the ground in a sunny position. I’m hoping she does well.
@@Jay_Jay CK and Summer song are gorgeous in color and fragrance. but they had bad reputation in China for not being able to survive the summer heat(summer in China is Very Hot up to 35℃+), so I would recommend to get some protection in hot days.
Thanks for the tour and comment on the fragrance. I loved the video. If you remember Jude the Obscure could you please comment on both the look and the fragrance? Thank you
Hi belle. This is my most recent visit to David Austin’s and a short video just for you.
ua-cam.com/video/Nt64P5CPRF8/v-deo.html
I've seen video's on people going to David Austin HQ, but I think your tour is my fav, because your love of roses and it shows, well done on a awesome video, and I hope you had great day mate! :D
Thanks Jason. But I know I could have done this video a whole lot better. I am considering going again but this time I need a better understanding behind me. :) cheers mate
@@Jay_Jay I'll look forward to that video, but most importantly did did you enjoy yourself mate :D
@@jasonwoods4811 yes mate I did enjoy it. A week or two too early but very good. And now I’m getting a better understanding also :)
@@Jay_Jay Glad to hear it mate :D
I have noticed the fragrance differences particularly with Boscobel on hot days in Washington DC.
Yes the weather can make a huge difference. It is said the fragrance of roses attracts the insects to pollinate. If the weather is not right for the insects the roses can turn off the fragrance tap. Some varieties of rose more than others. Here we are having consistently low overnight temps so even if it’s perfectly nice during the day the damage has been done already.
Hi Jay next year I am going to do a video focused on fragrance. I am keeping a note of the weather time or year time of the day to see what I find with my roses.
Fragrance really does seem the biggest mystery and so complex and maybe even personal.
I went out and had another "sniff" of my gentle Hermione and its there but nowhere near as punchy as in May June time when it knocks your sock off. Funny enough my most fragrant right now is wallerton old hall. The deep cupped shape seems to trap the fragrance like a scent bomb when you smell it up close.
QOS very faint my gorgeous shropshire lad also a much lighter fragrance than in earlier months. Rose de reich strong as ever Gertrude has finished so I can't compare at the moments. Vanessa bell is still blooming like crazy and smells of sweets like pear drops and sherbert
Please do Hailey that would be great if you were to do a video, I’d love to hear your thoughts. Many people I’ve heard will talk of what sex you are depends on the fragrance you do or don’t detect, older people lose there sense of smell or time of day effects the fragrance. Different flowers at different stages on the same rose etc. Personally I think there is perhaps some gravity in this. But for me the most sound explanation is the weather. Especially unseasonable weather. This year in June time we had very unseasonal mild overnight temps, even if during the daytime it was perfect and sunny, those cold overnight temps killed the fragrance. I have read that roses do a job of attracting pollinators and if the weather isn’t safe for those pollinators the roses will literally turn off the fragrance tap. A window is required of at least 48 hours of seasonal weather for the roses to release the scent. So the consecutive cold overnight temps obviously disturbed that. That said I do think that some varieties of rose handle this situation better than others. Emily Bronte for one. But I’d love to hear your thoughts because I agree it’s far more complex than I first thought. Perhaps people are getting into the hobby and buying roses with an…. Expectation of this or that, but without an understanding those same people might find disappointment. So highlighting this must be a good thing. Best of luck Hailey ;)
Gertrude Jekyll always makes me think of her getting her gardener to place a dead hare at the bottom of the hole when a rose was planted in her garden.
Wow I never knew that
Hi chap, I went there on Thursday, had an amazing visit. My other half wants to go back at the end of June to get the full effect. I love that place, it’s my second visit. I also went there to buy Desdemona and I found her to be stunning with beautiful fragrance. I brought three of her to put in the border and the fragrence is lovely, I find it kind of spicy ??😂. I can’t stop smelling them every time lol pass 😂😂. I am a novice gardener, only been at it 2 years or so and got into it by accident. I agree with you though fragrance varies. If you go back, seriously consider Desdemona it’s a beautiful rose. One other thing, I had a longish conversation with one of the rose guys at David Austin, to try and get as much info as I could whilst I was there and they apparently plant in 3s or 5s, 3 roses per square metre. Great videos jay jay, cheers
Excellent mate. Yes I was careful to not come across as saying it wasn’t a fragrant rose, I know it must be fragrant but for me on this day I was only getting tiny fragrance. Not just Desdemona rose but several of the other big name big gun roses I only got light fragrance. Some I got decent fragrance from so I know my nose was working. I am hoping to go again in bear future hopefully in the next couple of weeks. :)
@@Jay_Jay mate you know so much more than me and I think fragrance is personal too. You didn’t come across in any way knocking the roses 👍 hope you have a great visit next time.
The P.W in DA albrighton that you video has exact performance in my garden...So it really is worth having.
I know I will get pw very soon. 100 percent. :)
Jay Jay, Thank you for sharing your experience in DA rose garden. 🙂
Thank you for your video. Really enjoy it. Carolyn Knight is my next target 🤭
May I know which month for this video in last year?
Hi Elian. This was filmed in July last year. I have since bought Carolyn knight and planted in the ground early this year. So taking into account this rose is still an infant I’ve discovered it’s flowers do not do so well in heat and rain. On its day fantastic as you see here, it’s a sport of summer song rose so the same rose just slightly different colour. It’s also grown pretty tall and leggy but remember it’s still an infant in my garden. These are my findings after just one summer, perhaps it will toughen up in future years I hope so because on its day it’s gorgeous. Thanks and good luck
@@Jay_Jay thank you for your detailed reply. I found different weather, climate and soil also will affect its color. I like Carolyn Knight’s color, but sad to hear it didn’t grow well at the moment. Will keep going follow your YT, hoping to hear more sharing. 😊
Desdemona in my garden for 3 years and does not smell at all. Others I have planted at work give a lovely scent in the second flush, however i am not happy with mine as it too is very floppy.
Sorry to hear that Manuel. Roses I’m sure will be different for different people in different locations. I have an Olivia rose Austin that it doing twice as well only a few feet apart. Don’t give up I’m sure a decent rose will fit in your garden. I’m lucky to wait 2 years let alone 3. I’d try something else in that spot before it’s too late and the soil gets contaminated by your Desdemona. Best of luck.
Thanks for the lovely tour. I hope to get there too one day. I'm feeling the same as you on the fragrances especially this year. Desdemona at the front of the house you can normally smell from the pavement but this year so far very little, along with Boscobel and Eustacia Vye. I'm hoping it improves as the season goes on.
So glad you said that Netty. I felt bad even mentioning Desdemona in this video but truth is there were many big name roses I just didn’t get much from when I went. Even boscobel In my garden has been very disappointing the past week or so. However, just tonight I got home and you may be pleased to know we are back in business, And I filmed it! Footage is dark and not great so probably won’t upload but I’ll see tomorrow at work. Boscobel is probably the strongest I’ve ever smelt tonight. And tonight I have a new strongest fragrant rose! I’ve no idea what’s going on but keep the faith.
@@Jay_Jay I’m still not getting anything from Boscobel or Desdemona but others are smelling lovely 🥰
@@Jay_Jay I’m still not getting anything from Boscobel or Desdemona but others are smelling lovely 🥰
I've found these to smell really wonderful (not in order).
1) Ebb tide
2) Princess Charlene de Monaco
3) Memorial Day
4) Blue Girl (she doesn't last in a vase though).
5) Mr. Lincoln
6) Don Juan (super rich Velvet red climbing rose The color/texture really stands out).
7) Pope John Paul 11 (a beautiful white hybrid tea rose that lasts very long in a vase, and in the garden).
Many thanks for that tlc. Blue girl is a rose that’s been mentioned to me before and mr Lincoln is a rose I’ve looked at on a few occasions. A classic! But not easy to get hold of.
@@Jay_Jay yeah, I was fortunate that my local nurseries happened to have them when I was buying roses. Blue girl is such a gorgeous color too. Too bad she barely lasts a day or she'd be my perfect rose. I just started getting serious about roses this year.. they're doing great in large pots for me as long as I keep them fertilized🙂.
I am really truly green with envy!
If I go again I will record it much better, warts and all. :)
@@Jay_Jay The warts, especially the warts! And the bad and the ugly too :-)
Poets wife is onevof the best...it is the best performer in my garden...first to bloom,proliferous,scent is constant irregardless if weather (Ireland)it seems tolerant to rain.The first year i had P.W she bloomed continously up christmas...i remember my relations spent christmas 2018 in my place and was astounded that P.W is still blooming.Very reliable,so as jubilee celebration and lafy of shalot.
Glad to hear that, I just added PW this year and I'm looking forward to it. Im on the shores of strangford lough, I used to garden at 800 ft just outside Belfast 😩 Heartbreaking 🙄 But here we enjoy something akin to a microclimate, milder, drier but with ferocious southerly winds.
Hi!Roontunes...well, I'm in county Cork.Southwest of the county but not too near the shore.I have strong wind in the southwest part of my garden ang my roses are battered during the bad weather.In this part, i have pots in roses and few planted in the ground.i'm collecting DA's...But i noticed my potted ones do suffer from weather and slow to growm.My P.W is doing so so well because i planted it in my back garden it grew about 4.5 feet and 3 ft wide full of blooms.If you like yellow roses you might consider PW.🙂
When you have to repot a rose you find out how quickly they cram a pot. And it has to be a huge pot to keep a shrub rose healthy. You might get better results with a patio rose or a small floribunda in s pot . Never been to cork, too far to drive for a spot of fishing 🤗. As for the wind, same here, they hate the wind and a rose in a pot will dry out quicker in a pot when it's getting wind blown. The also need reported every other year at least
@@roontunes yah they do cram quickly alright I change soil every 3 years in pot but yearly i top it with horse manure.it cost money as there is about 25 of them🤭im addicted to roses dont know when to stop😄 .Yah...Cork is way too far for fishing...I also follow one rosarian from Tallahasse,florida.I dont know if you have seen his potted roses in youtube...it is very healthy and huge full of blooms.he uses Air pot.I went around my area looking for this pot, i cant find it.probably he gets it online.
Thank you
Happy Christmas Jay Jay !🎄 It's raining I'm warm indoors and just found this - a little wander around David Austin's with you :) I too went this year towards the end of June beginning of July I think, Emily was the stand out for me also, I had to put her on the top of my want list she looks so dainty and the fragrance was just lovely maybe like you say they are everywhere so I may have just noticed her a lot more !! Anyway I love her & I'm glad I got her. Did you ever get a Carolyn Knight? I think you can get a bare root at the moment, I didn't see that one I must have missed it. Was my first visit have to do it again and would love to go to Peter Beales one day too, their gardens look wonderful🤩
Hi there soulgirl and a merry Christmas to you too. I was gonna do a Christmas video but for one reason or another…I didn’t. Yes a wonderful visit. I actually went back just a few weeks later and it was much better and more what I was expecting. I actually done some filming whilst there on that second visit for a Christmas special type thing but as I told a few people now, I lost all that footage. I got locked out of my UA-cam account in the summer and couldn’t get back in for love nor money! I thought it was lost forever so in an attempt to get back in I wiped and reset my phone. It didn’t get me back in plus I lost all that video footage. Very annoying. Yes Carolyn knight I have now. It was a lovely rose and stand out for me on that day. I only saw a small group of them in one area but fantastic. And Emily I have now also. I will be going back next year similar time. I loved it. Well hopefully I’ll see updates on your channel in the new year I’ll look forward to that. For me I need to get back in the groove which I will ;) I hope 2023 brings you health wealth and happiness:) 🌹🌹🌹
@@Jay_Jay Oh no that's sounds like a real nightmare with your account I'm sorry to hear that I didn't know. Glad you got Carolyn Knight I could see you were taken with that one. I'm looking forward to more videos of your roses and your Mums garden, soon be Spring I hope and at least we've got the sun room back for the time being ! haha well most of it anyway, still a few plants in there being babied :) 💐🌸💮🌺🌹🏵 All the very best for 2023
I’ve seen a video (it’s long) I’ll have to send u the link. It’s with Paul Zimmerman and the woman in charge of David Austin roses here in the USA.
I knew you can plant them so close ! She talks about all that.
It’s a video u might want to have on while you’re in the car driving . It’s long but interesting.
I’m loving all my roses and yes some days stronger than others .
I don’t have the poets wife . The woman in the video talks about the roses getting more beautiful and larger with time. Paul Zimmerman said something extremely striking . Was something like”my hands weren’t this big when I was a baby”
Everything takes time and patience and I’m betting my flowers will get better with time. I’m in the mindset that if they look good now it only gets better. Good luck with your purchase. Did u see any golden celebration? That one is my new fav so far I thing it blows me away.
Crown princess of margarite yesssss mine if doing amazing in that sunless corner . Can’t wait for next yr.
Thanks Lucy. I will take a look. Yes there was some very close planting that I saw. Very close together. I did see golden celebration yes. A nice rose. It was a little heavy, droopy and the fragrance was ok for me on that day I was there. But a nice rose. The pilgrim and tottering by gently also nice roses but for me anyway the poets wife left the other yellows for dead. Poets wife I saw no bleaching, upright growth, many flowers and a lovely scent.
Everyone is different . Every climate is different. It’s ok to like what you like. I personally like the lighter colors that fade to cream. Something for everyone! I can’t wait to see what you go with. I’m thinking of adding a few more climbers . I’m confused as to what to go with. Definitely want more hight behind my princess A of Kent .
@@Lucysroses absolutely right Lucy. It can be all so different there’s no one size fits all.
I much prefer Windermere over Desdemona...stronger scent and prettier flower and more of them...but I agree..weather and location can make a huge difference..this year many rosie people on know on Instagram have said Austin's are low on fragrance this year compared to 2021...a rose I would think you like is Summer Romance...I believe Graham Thomas is 1 of its parents..but it doesn't have the blackspot problem that GT has..Cathedral Bells and Queen of Elegance are also nice and 1 I think has English in its background ...🌹🌹🌹🌹
Hi there, yes summer romance is a rose I love. I have 4 of them. All new towards the tail end of last year or bare root this year. Despite there young age I’m over the moon with them. Yes I didn’t notice the lack of fragrance last year but I didn’t have many fragrant roses and the ones I did have last year were in the very fragrant category , Fragrant cloud, Gertrude etc. I haven’t seen any conversation about the weather and fragrance this year, that would have made things less confusing for me. I’m sure there must have been many years like this over the years. I don’t even think it’s been overly wet has it? I will look at the roses you mention. Thanks for dropping by.
A great place to visit
Yes it is indeed :) but the timing and weather has to be right :)
Great coverage JJ. Thanks for sharing.
Surprised you did not buy Poet's Wife ?
Congrats on 600 subs....the channel is motoring now ! This video will get you to 1k imo.ATB Gav
Mate I know I messed up with this video. I know I could have done a far better job. I was just so deflated and confused shortly after entering. It shows 100 percent in the camera work This footage is just a salvage. I’m pretty sure I’m gonna go again.
@@Jay_Jay Let me know when you next go, I might meet up with you! It's only 90 minutes from me but I've never been !
The video is fine mate. Very informative. ATB Gav
JJ, I subbed because of this video! Great job! Thanks Gavin for telling me about this one!
@@DigPlantWaterRepeat Hi there, (not sure what to call you) but welcome 😀😀. I’ve just looked very briefly and I see you have your own channel, I will look forward to browsing through that later and watching your content. In the meantime if you know Gavin, I’m trying to bully him into showing us his garden:) If you could help me that would be great ;) 😃😃😃😃
I absolutely love this video, and love your voice/accent as well (I'm from the US). In regards to smell (you may have already thought about this), did you happen to have any allergies or a cold at that time, or did you take antihistamines? Those things can affect my sense of smell. If not, I'm wondering if the fertizer they used had an affect. I used bone meal on my roses for the first time, and noticed the new blooms were intensified. Wonderful video, thank you.
Hi there. I know what it was now why the fragrance wasn’t too good and that’s because the whole month of June we had lower than normal overnight temps. And sadly this killed the daytime fragrance on many of the roses. When things heated up during the night the fragrance arrived. I went back to DA a few weeks later and the scent was there. ;)
@@Jay_Jay interesting, I'll have to observe the smell at different temps.
I haven't watched yet, but I have noticed something that doesn't seem to get mentioned,. and that is that the DA roses even the mighty GJ, lose the fragrance after being cut and brought into the house after 24 hours. This I was disappointed to learn, compared to the overwhelming fragrance from a cut peony.
Hi there, peony’s is something we have started growing only last year and only the one. Hopefully we will get good fragrance from it mind.
In my experience, peak Rose time is the last two weeks in June through the first week in July, obviously depending on the weather.
As for scent, there are a lot of reasons why scent might change, including the fact that men tend to lose their sense of smell more than women as they get older, but certainly weather is a factor and it’s something I thought was widely understood. Scent is about attracting insects to pollinate so plants have evolved to throw out more scent when there’s likely to be more insects about and less scent when fewer insects will be about such as on rainy/overcast days.
As you claimed you couldn’t find any UA-cam videos that talk about this (I assume in the context of Roses/DA Roses) I’m surprised you haven’t seen any of my multiple videos filmed at DA Roses which have thousands of views. Here’s one where I specifically mention scent and how the weather can affect it when I’m looking at the Rose Grace.
m.ua-cam.com/video/yIskDpFE6YI/v-deo.html
I did not leave a comment on your channel at the time, but glimpsing you here made me smile. Your recordings of and commentary on the development of your own Mayleen clematis over the years persuaded me to plant four of them a few months back. Cheers!
@@mihneapietreanu9842 oooh that sounds fantastic! I hope you have plenty of room for them!!!
Hi there, thanks very much for your comment. Rather than type a lengthy reply I actually thought video would be quicker way of responding. I was wrong! I will try and upload later. And thanks once again
I have a little story , 62 years ago a rose breeder fled from the occupyd germany and wasnt gunt down he knew a girl in holland and married her and started with her a rose breeding garden and they planted and sold their roses in ouwer front garden it were single flower roses fire red no smel 70 cm high .and here coms the question and anwser as in that time 5 year old boy i was standing in the first summer they bloom in front of them and the inpact was born for the rest off my live, so are the da roses beautifull they sertainly are but the impact ......red roses single flower ... So here you see one off the things that are on the pallet of colours in the " mind" that toutch a click with the flower for one person or not. Succes with the flowers who toutches ouwer innerbeen, tony netherlands
Beautiful words antoon. Do you recall the name of the fire red rose ?
@@Jay_Jay no a dont remeber that rose and here we go again 62 years ago but when i see a variation off them well you get the Feeling off it.. In my expectation the quarterd roos is beautyful but.. The smell toutses a other sence and so on.. And for sure you have to love again other ones.. Alsof that is a question on his own to learn to get space in the mind to apreciate.. Many greetings from the netherlands a beautyful hobby off the innerbeigh. Toon
@@antoonvermeulen8064 growing up as a child my parents had many many roses. For the life of me I can’t remember most of them but spent many hours trying to find online names I might recognise and trying to fit the ones I can recall in my garden. Fragrant cloud for one that always takes me back to childhood when I smell it. ;)
Smell 5 / 5 : Kordes ( Gräfin Diana); Pheno Geno Roses: Renee van Wegberg ; Roses Forever: Our last summer ;Harkness: Chandos Beauty; NIRPinternational : rosemantic cream saumityl; Dorieux 2000 : Annapurna ;Poulsen: Naomi.
In any weather, there are always: smell 5 / 5. (these are my observations).
Oh you have some unusual roses. The only one I recognise is chandos beauty. I got two of them and they have budded well but still not opened. Looking forward to another fragrance in my little garden
Excellent zhanna. I’ve only just realised now that you speak English! A fantastic collection of roses you have and a fine channel. ;)
Zhanna is there any way of getting English subtitles on your channel? I can’t seem to do it my end when I go to auto generate subtitles it only comes up the Russian language. Can you enable English, is that possible?
(You don’t have to have permanent subtitles just enable the English language subtitles option, and it should generate English subtitles for those that choose. I’ve not seen it used yet and don’t know how accurate it will be ) thanks
@@Jay_Jay I am sorry. My English is almost forgotten and I write badly already. But I like to watch videos English roses blogers.
Thank you for posting this. A couple of observations if I may. I see DA use woodchip as a mulch or weed suppressant. I am surprised at that, there is so much critical commentary on woodchip and a lot of it negative.
Of all the roses I have I so far can only recommend three for positive strong fragrance. Gertrude of course, Isaac perierre, wonderful fruity fragrance and Floriana, a rose I got from Tuin Centrum in holland, even my wife ( my worst critic ) goes 'wow !'
Boscobel, nothing
LA of Kent, nothing
Harlow Carr, nothing
Queen of Sweden, nothing
Eustacia vye, 3/10
James Galway lightly fragrant 3/10
Bathsheba delicious, unusual but light and seldom
CP Margareta, 3/10, fresh and fruity
Gardeners Glory, a rock solid golden yellow HT bloom form with vigorous growth and 5/10 fragrance
Candy land, nothing
Duchess of Cambridge ( Chippendale) fabulous prolific bloomer but no scent so far
Susan Williams Ellis gave up delightful citrus fragrance last year (yr 1) but so far this year, nothing
That's what's blooming for me at the moment. But it's a lottery, too cool too warm too windy too early too late too acid too alkali wrong mulch 😩😩😩 yes indeed some expert rosarians swear by granite pebbles to boost fragrance 🤗.
But they're all gorgeous to see and worth waiting for
Wow roontunes thank you for your reply. Thank you thank you thank you. Fragrance can be such a minefield. People want to hear certain things, even I want to hear certain things! but I’m finding that it’s not always as straight forward as that. Different people, different noses, different atmospherics, different weather can effect different roses differently😂😂😂. And I’m only learning this now. I don’t think it’s something that is so widely spoken of on social media. Not that I have seen anyway. All I can do is bring to you my honest opinion as best I can and hope people understand things may be different for them also. Thanks ever so much for your comment, travelling back from da it felt I was going mad.
Regarding the wood chip mulch this is the first I have heard of this negative aspect, I will look into this. I will also of course cast an eye on your fragrant roses.
Wood chips. Almost everything you can buy is artificially coloured, potentially 'treated'.
If the wood chip begins to migrate into the soil then the soil begins to break it down and that can take many many months to the detriment of the plants.
When the woodchip become damp and mouldy it harbours all manner of critters that will devour your roses.
I'm sure DA will do all the management and husbandry required to keep the woodchip problem under control but Joe Blogs just wants a weed barrier that he can forget about.
Me, I'm using leaf litter topped up with lawn clippings around my roses that are in my daffodil bed so I don't kill my bulbs, I pull it away from the canes to keep them clear at the bottom. In my other beds I use broken slates in a fan pattern as a suppressant, looks well, suppresses the weeds and allows the soil to breathe.
On another note. Isaac perierre grew long canes last year with adequate blooms. I didn't prune them this year, just pegged them and they are heaving with strongly fragrant blooms.
Your obedient 'lovely viewer' 😉
@@roontunes love it :)
I got chippendale in Rosen Tantau spring of 2021 and up to now it has not really grown much and few bloomsbut it is so so pretty.
CAROLYN KNIGHT ORAANGE CUP, FRAGRANT
@14:35
What rose would you say ,has the strongest Myrrh fragrance?
Debbie from Texas
From 8:00 on, Julia has explained the relationship between weather and fragrance:
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Thanks Jade yes I watched it. The video was sadly bought out a few days after mine. It was explained to me by someone far more educated than myself that in addition to what she says here, part of the reason for fragrance is too attract pollinators. And IF the weather is too dangerous or not suitable for these pollinators at any particular moment in time, or too dangerous for it’s flowers, then the rose literally turns off the fragrance tap. So colder overnight temps fall into that category. And crucially it takes 24 or even 48 hours for the fragrance to come through again. So regardless of weather the following day, the time of day or how many flowers on a rose you smell, no matter what stage of development the flower is in, if that fragrance tap has been turned off it then takes time 24-48 hours for the oils to come through again for our noses. Some varieties fair a little differently than others with a more reliable fragrance. Emily bronte for example and my new purchase this year mum in a million. Throw into the mix our noses our ages it gets pretty complex. But the above message as far as I was aware at the time at least I for one was completely unaware of. Thanks for the link that is my understanding of it now.
When did you go Jay? June, July?
Hi Marilyn I went in June. June the 5th I believe. I went again two weeks later and it was much better. Sorry for the delay Marilyn
david austin's roses are very popular in japan.
I see some lovely Japanese roses also. Another part of the world with great gardens :)
You are not in the minority ! Through the years, David Austin's roses caused a lot of debate around the world...just because of the company's claims. On every attribute of a named variety, the rosarian world is quite tight, so any claim is noted by the gardeners. The big issue with D.A. roses has been in fragrance, color, size, and disease resistance. I for one, stopped mail ordering any named variety, unless i loved just the form in the picture. DA's pictures from the company were always photoshopped with color, which made them useless for trusting. { One has to remember that the internet as we know today wasn't around for quite a long period in the life time of the company, so a buyer was at the mercy of the grower.} If any other attribute was doubtful, i waited to read about others experiences, or experienced it in person, like in an established garden.
Now, another BIG issue was fragrance....which a lot of people were disappointed in. With this, adding to the failure of health and bloom frequency, the old time rosarians rightfully got shy with trust. The next big issue was the "Variety Making Machine" mentality that developed, where good all around popular varieties were axed from production, and then replaced by the company with inferior NEW varieties. Another point is the fact that DA is the new kid on the block, with a NEW product that the world didn't take to easily. DA himself defended his new hybrids with the excuse that they are a different beast altogether compared to the standard varieties in the world, and as such, need 'several years' to get established. So, when everyone came up with a consensus of a great or good DA rose varieties, { all from years of trials } they were very disappointed that this variety was then discontinued ....leading to more trust issues.
The biggest problem still is the fragrance issue. Around the world a lot of varieties just don't have it....and that's from all environment's. When a rose is classified in fragrance as good or great, it has to be so from all the different environments to get a general consensus. That's the standard for getting a reputation, not because you have to shove your nose into a flower....of which there are numerous none DA roses out there, that are not classified as a strong or fragrant, because you have to bury your nose in the flower to get the scent. So i just don't trust DA the company anymore. I love his roses, but i'm sticking with his old varieties that need codeling just because of their truly great flowers that have fragrance and beautiful shape.
What are the roses at 3:25 mark?
oh wow Jay jay....i thought u are an indian...now i see you are from western country.....now i will see your all videos
Everyone should be aware that if it doesn't say 'English' rose, that it isn't a rose bred by David Austin. I think this is very misleading for the customer. Queen of Denmark is an old rose, which was NOT bred by David Austin.
I’m just trying to understand what your saying here forgive my stupidity but I’ve read it several times. You use the words doesnt and isn’t and two negatives equals a positive? But I think your saying old english roses are often incorrectly thought of as being David austin roses. Or put another way but equally incorrect, for a rose to be classed as being an English rose, it has to be bred by David Austin ? If so then yes this is an incorrect belief. There are many other English and British rose breeders currently and who were around long before david Austin. The term English rose has been around for centuries. If I referred to queen of Denmark as being a david austin rose in this video I apologise. ;)
@Jay_Jay sorry for the confusion, David Austin sells many roses which he didn't breed but still sells online & at his nursery Eg Iceberg - which is a common rose that can be bought anywhere. It isn't described in his sales catalogue as 'an English shrub rose', just as a 'shrub rose,climbi g rose etc'. The same goes for fragrant cloud, Queen of Denmark, etc etc, on fact any rose not bred by David austin. I have noted through the years that all David Austin roses bred by him have the word 'English' in the discription. If it doesn't, then it wasn't bred by him. I'm really pleased you did the nursery tours. BTW, I found it very helpful.
& Yes, to clarify, if you want to be sure you are buying a David Austin bred rose, make sure it says ' English'
why is his poets wife very upright but the ones i see are all very floppy?
i hate the big hand and the cheap ring under those flowers
Absolute bell end. I hope you find what is missing in your life.
У нас лучше уход и чёрной пятнистости нет. Урал.
Никого не волнует что у тебя там на урале
спасибо луч света))