Hi Jay, I've had that happen with new purchased roses. I think the grower seriously butchered the roots. Looking at your video, it looks like all you have now are feeder roots, ergo the thin, spindly growth. So now you are basically starting that rose off from the beginning. Such a shame when we pay so much for these plants. I didn't video it well, maybe a little bit in passing, but I dug up some very old roses from a homeowner who was going to just nuke his yard. But, I dug them up and had to cut back a lot of the tap roots and potted them up. They have all grown but it's very interesting on what they are doing. The one with the HUGE massive truck - at least 3 inches across, threw out little tiny leaves, lol. The others are doing much better and have actually put out strong canes and one even blossomed. So, I've garaged them to protected them from my cold winter and will see what happens next year. I'm starting to think that all new roses should be potted up for a couple years before putting them in the ground and when I plant any new rose, I'm going to do it the old way, dig a big darn hole and backfill with new, loose, well composted soil. I know this goes against the "modern" way of thinking, but since I've run across the problem you now have with that rose, well, it's my plan. Good luck with that little beauty, I hope she is happy in her pot and grows strongly for you.
@@DianePahl hi Diane hope your well. Sounds like an operation to save them roses well done. I do actually like the “modern” idea of small holes and native soil etc, I found it works for me very well usually. The problem here was the roots to begin with, it needed some life support for a while. Having the compost empty in transit didn’t help. And the soil it was somehow compacted down too much. I think it would have been better if it was airated some. If I plant a rose in the ground I usually do a small hole but then fork the area around the hole just a little and lift just a little after planting to get some air in there. That seems to work for me… usually :)
@@Jay_Jay I'm well, thank you! My soil is heavy clay so I think that's why some of my poor roses just are not pleased, lol. I still think the grow did a bad hair cutting job on your rose and what you are doing now will, hopefully, get it on the right path. I saw on some other plant people videos that they actually depot the plant right in the garden center to check the roots before they purchase it. Maybe not a bad idea lol.
I have to say, that seems like it was a pretty large rose to be digging up & potting when you got it. I've had it happen a couple of times that I'm sent a rose that is either too large or too small. Repotting is always traumatic, & I'm looking at those black ends on most of the canes, too. I agree, heavy soil. I put my roses into a potting soil mix that's made locally, called "Filthy Rich" (is that cute or what?) that is heavy on the compost, they generally take off like rockets, esp. from my own-root grower. But you are right, it just happens sometimes despite our best efforts. I'll bet Kordes will replace it for you, especially if you mention your UA-cam channel!
Hi vintage, yeah pretty sure I just got this one wrong. I usually do well with planting in a slightly heavier mix or straight into top soil but I think the roots just need a little more establishment to them for that. Not when they are cut back like you saw here. And your right sometimes things happen a rose at one end of the garden can do well and the same rose next to it only do half as well. I’ve seen it. But here I’m pretty sure that pot was just too heavy and them young roots were just not breathing.
Hi Jay Jay, this is so interesting and frustrating for you 😢 I have had this issue with my Desdemona and bring me sunshine. The roots are spindly and have been cut off.We shall see this year if there is any improvement otherwise, I'm afraid shovel pruning it is! I am going to try your recommendation of Uncle Tom's rose Tonic this year. ALSO..i am purchasing air pots. The reviews on the root growth and stimulation sounds brilliant and watching a few garden nursery's on here alot seem to use them with great effect..worth a try💪
Hi Hailey, two great roses you have there and I have to say bring me sunshine I’ve never heard of anyone being disappointed. Sometimes I think it can be like that, for whatever a reason a rose just doesn’t do so well. I wish I could say I have the patience to wait for year 2,3,4 etc and sometimes I do… but usually after a couple of summers if one just hasn’t done anything and another rose is doing so well I have a swap around. And that’s not something I’m proud of! I know some roses just take a few years at least to start singing. Do hope your well and start making some content!!!!! Look forward to seeing your garden next year. :)
@Jay_Jay it's so strange, isn't it how they all differ from garden to garden! I think I had 1 bloom of Desdemona last year, and all the stems are thinner than a pencil. Bring me sunshine was fantastic in the DA pot, but in the ground, I had so much die back, only 1 healthy stem hanging in there! I will see how they fair this year with Uncle Tom's Tonic. What I really need is basal breaks. I bought Chandos beauty from Eastcroft roses after your fantastic video. What a lovely man! The rose arrived in amazing condition, and o can't wait to see the flowers this summer. Lots of changes in our garden and so many new rose additions (can't help myself 😊) Let's hope its a good year for our roses!
That was an interesting and useful video Jay Jay. I don't think I would have been brave enough to lift that rose and uncover the roots to investigate, Poirot old chap, but I'm glad you were. It did look immensely sturdy back in the spring, so that pathetic growth over the season must have been very disappointing. This video has convinced me that my new greenhouse bareroots will need to stay in their big pots until next winter, to give them a chance to grow their roots undisturbed before they go in the ground.
I think your bare roots will be 100 percent fine nik going straight in the ground. Probably better to do so. The problem I had here was it was start of potted rose season. Always a little tricky I think. Our favourite roses may have sold out bare root, so in desperation it’s easy to jump on the start of potted rose season straight after they have been farmed from the field. It would be nice to have potted roses in pots for a good time before sale but not often possible. So with them roots cut back I should have left it undisturbed for a few months. And how the hell that pot weighed so much I don’t know maybe I got the mix wrong, compacted it down too much I just don’t know but it happened. But them stubby little roots were never gonna do well in that compact soil.
@@Jay_Jay Yes, the bareroots could go straight in the ground, Jay Jay, but I don't want to plant them in the garden until they are a decent size - I'm reluctant to use my precious limited space on small bushes when I have bigger, established roses in pots from previous years which I can/need to put in the ground. And by waiting until next autumn I'll be able to see what the roses and bushes are like before they go in the ground. Besides, overwintering the bareroots in the unheated but bright greenhouse will hopefully push their growth along a bit before I bring them out in their (large) pots in the spring. On the topic of potted roses - are they always potted in the spring or does it go on through the year? I saw some very sturdy-looking Leah Tutus in the garden centre today. I was going to buy one in the spring, but if the ones I saw today were potted this spring, 8 months ago, and would therefore be a year older than next spring's potted, that would be an added incentive to buy one now. I must say I was very pleasantly surprised to see the Leah Tutus, the only rose left on my list (for this year) - it was like Christmas had come early (in fact I did see Santa in the garden centre!). I was also surprised to see quite a lot of DA roses still out for sale - I think in previous years there have only been half-a-dozen or so. Are people finding them too expensive nowadays or did the centre just order in too many? My next thought - will they be selling them off cheaply over the winter!? Followed by the thought - can I get away with it?
Hey long time no see! My roses are just starting to flower again. They really don’t know what time of year it is in Florida! Thanks for the video treat❤️❤️❤️
Hi Jay Jay I feel so bad for you because the Porcelain Parfuma that you sent to me earlier this year (thank you again x) has done really well but it is still in the pot you sent it in, which I believe is the original pot. I am going to plant it in the ground soon. I'm sure you're right about the 'heaviness' of that mix in your planter. I've had a similar thing with a fatsia I have in a pot. I mixed way too much topsoil in with it and it hasn't enjoyed it and like yours the pot is crazy heavy compared to my other fatsia which is much happier. It happens, we all do it from time to time. I hope your rose recovers now you've removed it, they are very resilient so I'm sure it will be fabulous for you next year.
Hi Linda hope your well. I actually feel abit daft because when I read your comment I thought hold on a sec, my porcelain Parfuma has done really well!!! Ok, so I made a boo boo in the video :( The potted rose you see in the video that has done well is porcelain Parfuma. The rose you see that hasn’t done well is raspberry Parfuma. 🤡Doh! Either way I think you see it, another mistake down to me! Yeah I think sometimes it just happens, if you plant things often enough sometimes something rogue happens. I knew it wasn’t doing well it was only when I went to move the pot for something I felt the weight and I thought that’s not right. I can only assume I compacted it down too much for whatever reason. Not something I usually do. But I’m sure it will be fine next year, I’m confident it will be. Just a years delay hopefully.
@@Jay_Jay It's very easy to mix up the names of roses especially when you have so many of them as you do ! Haha you are single-handedly responsible for many of the roses we all love and grow in our own gardens now, so thank you for that 🌹I hope you and Donna are doing OK. It's lovely to see a video from you again.
Roses love acidic soil but over a certain value the roots get damage and the organic material produces humic acids and it is difficult to control this production. I have a plant of rose in organic material and inerts but the pot is very large ( 1 meter for 1 plant ) and not very tall, this shape of the pot permits to wash the soil with water and so a lot of humic acids go away from the holes at the bottom. With the spend of time the production of humic acids go down and now, after 4 years, I use water and vinegar ( 10 drops in 2 litres of water).
No not grow back the ones that were cut , but more larger roots develop to drill into that soil. I was half expecting to see at least some decent stronger roots. And was expecting to see more of the fine roots also. But there wasn’t much going on at all.
Yes agree, should have developed better roots for the amount of time they have been in. With the same potting mix for more than 50 odd potted ones I have noticed some do well better than others. Not sure why.
Thank you Jay-Jay, that was really instructive and I did notice you gave the date! Did you get those roses directly from Kordes in Germany or from a Kordes licensed English grower? I get my David Austin roses from a French outfit and the roots look nothing like the incredible roots I see on DA bare root roses in British videos. DA will deliver to Paris and some other major French cities but I'm out in the boonies where DA doesn't deliver.
Hi there, yes I was sure to add the date I’ll try and remember to get it earlier next time:) The roses were bought from an English supplier. I try ink it’s always a bit of a risk when buying potted roses at the start of potted rose season. It’s tricky because many of us are waiting on specific roses to become available and of course it’s the time of year they are most expensive. But recently farmed from the field……. I’d love a magic wand and say all potted roses to be sold after say 6 months or 1 year in the pots but of course the nursaries already struggling. And clowns like me planting as I did with this rose doesn’t help. 😂😂
An interesting one Jay Jay. I think you're right about the compaction but I think the rose might have been a bit upset about that severe root prune by breeder too. Let's hope it's a fighter. Passed through G.G earlier today and wondered what you were up to? Now I know.
Hi Peter, I think buying roses at start of potted rose season, you know when roses are at their most expensive is something I am gonna try and avoid. As I mentioned to nik it would be nice if roses were kept on shelves for a while after being farmed but before going on the market, but I guess not always possible. Soil in that pot defo too heavy and compact I don’t even know how the hell I done it. Maybe I got the mix wrong. I hope you and Silv are well. We’ve been out in Motorhome a fair bit :)
@@Jay_Jay Hi again and, yes Sylv and I are well thank you. I hope Donna and you are coping well with everything at the moment too. Glad to hear the Motorhome is still being well used. I remember reading something, somewhere several years ago that potted roses bought early in newly potted season should be left in their pots until the following June before doing anything at all with them. What you'd do with them then I don't know. Not really the time of year to put them in the ground. Maybe just in a bigger pot? Of course, I might have got that completely wrong too. Good luck, P.
informative video!
Hi Naffy, thanks. Hope your well.
Hi Jay, I've had that happen with new purchased roses. I think the grower seriously butchered the roots. Looking at your video, it looks like all you have now are feeder roots, ergo the thin, spindly growth. So now you are basically starting that rose off from the beginning. Such a shame when we pay so much for these plants. I didn't video it well, maybe a little bit in passing, but I dug up some very old roses from a homeowner who was going to just nuke his yard. But, I dug them up and had to cut back a lot of the tap roots and potted them up. They have all grown but it's very interesting on what they are doing. The one with the HUGE massive truck - at least 3 inches across, threw out little tiny leaves, lol. The others are doing much better and have actually put out strong canes and one even blossomed. So, I've garaged them to protected them from my cold winter and will see what happens next year. I'm starting to think that all new roses should be potted up for a couple years before putting them in the ground and when I plant any new rose, I'm going to do it the old way, dig a big darn hole and backfill with new, loose, well composted soil. I know this goes against the "modern" way of thinking, but since I've run across the problem you now have with that rose, well, it's my plan. Good luck with that little beauty, I hope she is happy in her pot and grows strongly for you.
@@DianePahl hi Diane hope your well. Sounds like an operation to save them roses well done.
I do actually like the “modern” idea of small holes and native soil etc, I found it works for me very well usually.
The problem here was the roots to begin with, it needed some life support for a while. Having the compost empty in transit didn’t help.
And the soil it was somehow compacted down too much. I think it would have been better if it was airated some.
If I plant a rose in the ground I usually do a small hole but then fork the area around the hole just a little and lift just a little after planting to get some air in there. That seems to work for me… usually :)
@@Jay_Jay I'm well, thank you! My soil is heavy clay so I think that's why some of my poor roses just are not pleased, lol. I still think the grow did a bad hair cutting job on your rose and what you are doing now will, hopefully, get it on the right path. I saw on some other plant people videos that they actually depot the plant right in the garden center to check the roots before they purchase it. Maybe not a bad idea lol.
Thanks for this lovely video!!!
Hi Denise thank you
I have to say, that seems like it was a pretty large rose to be digging up & potting when you got it. I've had it happen a couple of times that I'm sent a rose that is either too large or too small. Repotting is always traumatic, & I'm looking at those black ends on most of the canes, too. I agree, heavy soil. I put my roses into a potting soil mix that's made locally, called "Filthy Rich" (is that cute or what?) that is heavy on the compost, they generally take off like rockets, esp. from my own-root grower. But you are right, it just happens sometimes despite our best efforts. I'll bet Kordes will replace it for you, especially if you mention your UA-cam channel!
Hi vintage, yeah pretty sure I just got this one wrong. I usually do well with planting in a slightly heavier mix or straight into top soil but I think the roots just need a little more establishment to them for that. Not when they are cut back like you saw here.
And your right sometimes things happen a rose at one end of the garden can do well and the same rose next to it only do half as well. I’ve seen it.
But here I’m pretty sure that pot was just too heavy and them young roots were just not breathing.
Hi Jay Jay, this is so interesting and frustrating for you 😢 I have had this issue with my Desdemona and bring me sunshine. The roots are spindly and have been cut off.We shall see this year if there is any improvement otherwise, I'm afraid shovel pruning it is! I am going to try your recommendation of Uncle Tom's rose Tonic this year.
ALSO..i am purchasing air pots. The reviews on the root growth and stimulation sounds brilliant and watching a few garden nursery's on here alot seem to use them with great effect..worth a try💪
Hi Hailey, two great roses you have there and I have to say bring me sunshine I’ve never heard of anyone being disappointed.
Sometimes I think it can be like that, for whatever a reason a rose just doesn’t do so well.
I wish I could say I have the patience to wait for year 2,3,4 etc and sometimes I do… but usually after a couple of summers if one just hasn’t done anything and another rose is doing so well I have a swap around. And that’s not something I’m proud of! I know some roses just take a few years at least to start singing. Do hope your well and start making some content!!!!! Look forward to seeing your garden next year. :)
@Jay_Jay it's so strange, isn't it how they all differ from garden to garden! I think I had 1 bloom of Desdemona last year, and all the stems are thinner than a pencil. Bring me sunshine was fantastic in the DA pot, but in the ground, I had so much die back, only 1 healthy stem hanging in there! I will see how they fair this year with Uncle Tom's Tonic. What I really need is basal breaks. I bought Chandos beauty from Eastcroft roses after your fantastic video. What a lovely man! The rose arrived in amazing condition, and o can't wait to see the flowers this summer. Lots of changes in our garden and so many new rose additions (can't help myself 😊) Let's hope its a good year for our roses!
That was an interesting and useful video Jay Jay. I don't think I would have been brave enough to lift that rose and uncover the roots to investigate, Poirot old chap, but I'm glad you were. It did look immensely sturdy back in the spring, so that pathetic growth over the season must have been very disappointing. This video has convinced me that my new greenhouse bareroots will need to stay in their big pots until next winter, to give them a chance to grow their roots undisturbed before they go in the ground.
I think your bare roots will be 100 percent fine nik going straight in the ground. Probably better to do so.
The problem I had here was it was start of potted rose season. Always a little tricky I think.
Our favourite roses may have sold out bare root, so in desperation it’s easy to jump on the start of potted rose season straight after they have been farmed from the field.
It would be nice to have potted roses in pots for a good time before sale but not often possible.
So with them roots cut back I should have left it undisturbed for a few months.
And how the hell that pot weighed so much I don’t know maybe I got the mix wrong, compacted it down too much I just don’t know but it happened.
But them stubby little roots were never gonna do well in that compact soil.
@@Jay_Jay Yes, the bareroots could go straight in the ground, Jay Jay, but I don't want to plant them in the garden until they are a decent size - I'm reluctant to use my precious limited space on small bushes when I have bigger, established roses in pots from previous years which I can/need to put in the ground. And by waiting until next autumn I'll be able to see what the roses and bushes are like before they go in the ground. Besides, overwintering the bareroots in the unheated but bright greenhouse will hopefully push their growth along a bit before I bring them out in their (large) pots in the spring.
On the topic of potted roses - are they always potted in the spring or does it go on through the year? I saw some very sturdy-looking Leah Tutus in the garden centre today. I was going to buy one in the spring, but if the ones I saw today were potted this spring, 8 months ago, and would therefore be a year older than next spring's potted, that would be an added incentive to buy one now. I must say I was very pleasantly surprised to see the Leah Tutus, the only rose left on my list (for this year) - it was like Christmas had come early (in fact I did see Santa in the garden centre!). I was also surprised to see quite a lot of DA roses still out for sale - I think in previous years there have only been half-a-dozen or so. Are people finding them too expensive nowadays or did the centre just order in too many? My next thought - will they be selling them off cheaply over the winter!? Followed by the thought - can I get away with it?
Hey long time no see! My roses are just starting to flower again. They really don’t know what time of year it is in Florida! Thanks for the video treat❤️❤️❤️
Hi Cathy glad to hear yours are in flower. Hope your well.
Great video :D
Cheers Jason
@@Jay_Jay How are you?
Hi Jay Jay I feel so bad for you because the Porcelain Parfuma that you sent to me earlier this year (thank you again x) has done really well but it is still in the pot you sent it in, which I believe is the original pot. I am going to plant it in the ground soon. I'm sure you're right about the 'heaviness' of that mix in your planter. I've had a similar thing with a fatsia I have in a pot. I mixed way too much topsoil in with it and it hasn't enjoyed it and like yours the pot is crazy heavy compared to my other fatsia which is much happier. It happens, we all do it from time to time. I hope your rose recovers now you've removed it, they are very resilient so I'm sure it will be fabulous for you next year.
Hi Linda hope your well. I actually feel abit daft because when I read your comment I thought hold on a sec, my porcelain Parfuma has done really well!!! Ok, so I made a boo boo in the video :(
The potted rose you see in the video that has done well is porcelain Parfuma. The rose you see that hasn’t done well is raspberry Parfuma. 🤡Doh!
Either way I think you see it, another mistake down to me!
Yeah I think sometimes it just happens, if you plant things often enough sometimes something rogue happens.
I knew it wasn’t doing well it was only when I went to move the pot for something I felt the weight and I thought that’s not right. I can only assume I compacted it down too much for whatever reason. Not something I usually do.
But I’m sure it will be fine next year, I’m confident it will be. Just a years delay hopefully.
@@Jay_Jay It's very easy to mix up the names of roses especially when you have so many of them as you do ! Haha you are single-handedly responsible for many of the roses we all love and grow in our own gardens now, so thank you for that 🌹I hope you and Donna are doing OK. It's lovely to see a video from you again.
Roses love acidic soil but over a certain value the roots get damage and the organic material produces humic acids and it is difficult to control this production.
I have a plant of rose in organic material and inerts but the pot is very large ( 1 meter for 1 plant ) and not very tall, this shape of the pot permits to wash the soil with water and so a lot of humic acids go away from the holes at the bottom.
With the spend of time the production of humic acids go down and now, after 4 years, I use water and vinegar ( 10 drops in 2 litres of water).
Hi Jay, as usual. Good video to explain what is happening underneath as well. If I am not mistaken, taproot would not come back again after being cut🤔
No not grow back the ones that were cut , but more larger roots develop to drill into that soil. I was half expecting to see at least some decent stronger roots. And was expecting to see more of the fine roots also. But there wasn’t much going on at all.
Yes agree, should have developed better roots for the amount of time they have been in. With the same potting mix for more than 50 odd potted ones I have noticed some do well better than others. Not sure why.
Thank you Jay-Jay, that was really instructive and I did notice you gave the date! Did you get those roses directly from Kordes in Germany or from a Kordes licensed English grower?
I get my David Austin roses from a French outfit and the roots look nothing like the incredible roots I see on DA bare root roses in British videos. DA will deliver to Paris and some other major French cities but I'm out in the boonies where DA doesn't deliver.
Hi there, yes I was sure to add the date I’ll try and remember to get it earlier next time:)
The roses were bought from an English supplier. I try ink it’s always a bit of a risk when buying potted roses at the start of potted rose season. It’s tricky because many of us are waiting on specific roses to become available and of course it’s the time of year they are most expensive. But recently farmed from the field…….
I’d love a magic wand and say all potted roses to be sold after say 6 months or 1 year in the pots but of course the nursaries already struggling. And clowns like me planting as I did with this rose doesn’t help. 😂😂
An interesting one Jay Jay. I think you're right about the compaction but I think the rose might have been a bit upset about that severe root prune by breeder too. Let's hope it's a fighter. Passed through G.G earlier today and wondered what you were up to? Now I know.
Hi Peter, I think buying roses at start of potted rose season, you know when roses are at their most expensive is something I am gonna try and avoid. As I mentioned to nik it would be nice if roses were kept on shelves for a while after being farmed but before going on the market, but I guess not always possible.
Soil in that pot defo too heavy and compact I don’t even know how the hell I done it. Maybe I got the mix wrong. I hope you and Silv are well. We’ve been out in Motorhome a fair bit :)
@@Jay_Jay Hi again and, yes Sylv and I are well thank you. I hope Donna and you are coping well with everything at the moment too. Glad to hear the Motorhome is still being well used. I remember reading something, somewhere several years ago that potted roses bought early in newly potted season should be left in their pots until the following June before doing anything at all with them. What you'd do with them then I don't know. Not really the time of year to put them in the ground. Maybe just in a bigger pot? Of course, I might have got that completely wrong too. Good luck, P.
Hi jay you need to put the rose in a tall deep pot with John inns no3 roses like to send their roses deep down ❤
I would also recommend when you buy a new rose and the soil falls of to put micro fungi on the roots
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