Musiclily Locking Tuners - Install and Review - Any Good?
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Are these £25 MusicLily Locking Tuners a worthwhile "upgrade"?
Installation tutorial, Review and a look at alternatives.
Another super easy mod - Quicker than changing strings!
Credit "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" for the synthwave backing tracks.
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00:00 Intro
01:59 Unboxing
03:00 Installation
07:05 Test?
07:35 Thoughts
08:39 Update!
10:14 Off Topic Rant/Tangent
Wow, Musiclily pro series locking tuners .Thanks a lot for supporting us. - Nina 😊
No worries! 😀 I have a request... Could you do locking tuners with "staggered" height pole pieces? That would be awesome to see! 😁👍
@@stevecassidyguitar Not yet at the moment. But we have a plan to launch such tuners in the future. Please stay tuned. -Nina
@@Musiclily That would be great! Would put you way ahead of the other competition offering "affordable" locking tuners 😀👍
I’m curious about musiclily pots, how do they compare to CTS and BOURN pots ????
Thanks Steve, great video as always. Good advice & entertaining presentation.
Thank you mate! 😃🙏
Loved the playing, particularly the intro!
Thank ya very much mate! 😀🙏
Great review/instal . Nice playing , Like the look of the Vansons thanks .
Thank ya very much mate 😃🙏
I’ve been thinking of getting locking tuners this vid helps thank you Steve
Cheers Mate! 😃
Recognise you from the 3 chord Dave live stream - thanks for checking out the channel 🙏
thanks for the honest review!
Thank you for watching 😃🙏
As always, I love the video. Useful reviews and I definitely agree that paying a little more for the Vanson tuners is the way to go. I also agree that that if someone knows which way to turn a screwdriver that basic upgrades are well within the capabilities of those new to guitar.
Thanks mate! Appreciated! 🙏
My mod skills don't go much beyond screwdriver turns (atm), but yeah, always looking to learn more, I wish I knew this stuff 20 years ago. Sharing now tho, albeit a bit late 😆👍
Dude, another great video. You need to upload more - I love the channel 😉
Thanks mate! Appreciated 🙏
It's a juggle with work n stuff. But I've got a bit of a holiday now, so planning to upload every week - for a bit 😆👍
@@stevecassidyguitar you feckin better dude, I have it in writing now haha. Btw you see the new Jets on the way in August 😉?
@@thelolguy007 😆👍
I did not know about the new Jets - where you get your info? I want in! 😀
@@stevecassidyguitar it’s on the Aul book of face mate 😉
I love Vanson tuners and pickups which I've used to upgrade some of my Harley Benton and Affinity guitars. Very good value for money considering the price of other brands.
Couldn't agree more mate - Hugley impressed with these Vansons! 😎👌
I totally agree with you about the Vanson tuners. I also hear good things about their pickups. Cheers Steve.🙂
Thank You mate! - Might give the pickups a go too! Cheers!
The "Vanson" name, although I'd heard it before - it's more on the ole Radar now 👍
I swapped the Single coils on the JS400 for IronGear's, the humbucker was actually ok, and suits the music we play, my Fazley Tele style has a P90 in the neck which is brilliant, and works well in the mid position too, much prefer it to those normal lipstick pickups
I got an IronGear HSS set to fit on my Korean Chapman ML1. I need to fit them sooner rather than later. I got this set because I'd already fitted a Blues Engine humbucker to my old Gordon Smith.🙂@@makinganoise6028
Love Vansons. Inexpensive and smooth as silk. Also their 3x3 are a straight swap on all HB LP’s and 335’s.
Ah that's great to know! Thanks for sharing this info - legend 😎👍
Bravo!
Thank ya mate! 😀🙏
Just to say I changed the nut on my Mustang to a 9.5 and I'm certain that's the size of the fret board now ,plays just like my Jag or Teles ,love it[I said this on the stream but had to take a call and dont know if you saw it] .Btw fitting the Fender [staggered]locking tuners I got was a pain but pretty easy .They have the same 2 pins but had to make new holes 2mm above the Squier holes .I'm sure cheaper ones would've done the job but these feel great I have to say .
Aww mate that would have really annoyed me if the pins didn't line up 🙈 Good on ya for sorting it! 😀👍
Yeah I think I did miss that on the stream - many apologies 😬🙏
Glad it's all worked out mate 😀👍
I ordered some Musiclily brass Tele saddles and although they looked the part, they weren’t very good at all. Sent them back. I think Vanson is a good shot for parts, always decent.
Thanks for the info 🙂👍 looks to be the same story with the tuners. Just need to spend that "wee bit" more to get the ideal quality/value ratio 👍
The Pink and Blue theme is pretty cool.
Thank ya pal 😀🙏
@@stevecassidyguitar made me get a pink strat style guitar ,not kidding.
your playing reminded me of Primus, a little Les Claypool slap bass in there
Thank you mate! 😀
Apparently I'm one of Les' biggest influences 😜
I do love a bit of Primus tho - "SHAKE HANDS WITH BEEF!" - That's a favourite 👌
@@stevecassidyguitar awesome 👌
cheers, you have sold me on the Vanson, over the cheapies tbh, maybe I'm lucky, but the tuners on my Jet and Fazley are both fine, funnily enough, my worst Guitar for staying in Tune is my most expensive, the Les Paul, even with the string tie trick, which helps a lot.
The Vanson's are great for the price. I've since learned (through the comments here) that they are Korean made Jin-Ho tuners, which are well made and seem to manufacture for other brands too (possibly Wilkinson too - will need to fact check that). Les Pauls are notoriously problematic for tuning due to the break angle from the nut to the tuner posts. Have you checked out the "String Butler" - i'd give that a go. Also seen cheap knock off versions of it on Ali Express - don't know if they'd be any good tho.
Cheers mate! 😀👍
Great video again, any videos coming up regarding value bigsby's? I have a jet tele I'm looking to install one on 😃
Fanks luv 😘
None planned. But how about you guinea pig it, and i'll review it? 😜
Speaking of which - gonna get that Talman/Starcaster pot mod done over the summer if/when yer free 😀
@@stevecassidyguitar I'll have plenty of time I think. I want the talman done, jet tele done with bigsby and new tuners, Harley tele to get a new look and, of course the 13 year project jazzmaster 😂
@@JayKay7737 Sounds like loadsa fun! 😀👌
Do You know if this tuners work on a squier affinity? Great vídeo!!
Thank you mate! Yes they will work - However the install wont be easy. If you want an easier job (no drilling) you'll need a "2 pin" set of locking tuners. Guyker do these, not sure about other brands. If not... Just drill one wee screw hole and you're good. 10mm posts mind 👍
Edit: Update! Musiclily do a 2 pin set too. £29 tho
Have to agree on the benefits of locking tuners being limited to easier string changes, I’ve never had any guitar have tuning issues that I diagnosed down to the string pulling out the tuner. I’ve also never used used the word tuner so often in a sentence!!
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Agreed!
"For me" tuning stability is more to do with how well the nut is cut, and saddle performance.
Locking tuners are a welcome upgrade, especially if the stock tuners are.... Not great 😜
As far as looks go Hip Shot open gear locking tuners are absolute guitar jewelry!
Agreed! 😎👌
I rather like the small vintage buttons and tried to fit one on the Harley Benton locking tuners, that i put on my JS-300 and JS-400, but they don't work. Looking forward getting the Jet JS-800 on monday. I might try and do a video about it!🎸🤘🎸
Interesting 🤔
Were the Harley Benton Tuners in the same packaging as in this video (@ 1:50) ?
Did the posts fit the post holes? Screw holes line up?
Nice one Re the Js800 - please do a vid, they're aren't many vids on that model 😃👍
@@stevecassidyguitar Hey Steve, yes, the box was nearly the same although i ordered the other HB tuners that look more like the musiclily ones! No issues with those (yet...)😁 The screwholes and postholes all fit perfectly. Other than that, both got Allparts pots, roller stringtrees and i completely shielded the JS-300 with continuity from the jacksocket to the neck pup cavity. This makes a world of difference....oh, and i mounted a mini toggle to the 300 to add the neck pup to pos. 1+2...have a great weekend!🎸🤘🎸
Nice Mods! I'm about to do the same with the Toggle switch to a Js400 😀👍
That's a shame your HB tuners didn't work on your Jets - can't think what's happened there 🤷♂️
Thank you - same to you bro! 🥳
@@stevecassidyguitar I couldn't swap the buttons! HB tuners fit perfectly on the Jet's!😁
@@gearViewmirror Ah I See!! Apologies - my mistake 🙈
Changed my terrible tuners on my DIY tele kit to Wilkinson EZ lok tuners (with the odd spelling) with the 19:1 ratio. The ones I received are excellent. No slop. Now, back to intonation that SOB....
Cool! Never tried the EZ locks. Never been quite sure how they worked, not having the button/wheel on the back. Are they like the PRS ones?
Not certain if htey are like PRS. These have a hole up one the post and another lower down. Pass the string through both, locking it in.
@@calbrockocat8728 Ah I see - that's pretty clever, probably won't add the weight like the button/wheel ones either 🤔
Will very likely check these out soon 👍
I just built a kit too. Guitar kit world. Quite amazing quality aside from hardware. The pups are cheap but actually sound great. Go figure. Lol. I'm needing a nice bunch of locking tuners for my classic vibe 60s , MIM fsr Gilmour vibe strat Fender, and then my kit. The tuners I feel on one of them a nice bump while turning. Hahm
Nice - would definitely vouch for and consider Vanson gear 👍
Just double check your measurements. The 60's mim could be vintage spec (not 10mm posts) and potentially 2pin fixings?
Have you had any experience with Musiclily pots and if so how do they compare with cts and bourns pots, they look good but do they perform
I don't think I have tried thier pots mate - soz. But I recently fell in love with the Bournes low friction EVH vol pot that comes stock on the Charvel DK22 😎👌
Hi friend. I could not understand... The screws of vanson tuners , dont fix well on jet? Its crooked? Thanks
No problem mate - The Musiclily Tuners were a little bit off with the screw holes and screws, but I still managed to get them to fit. The Vanson tuners fit my Jets perfectly - everything lined up easy👍
@@stevecassidyguitar Thanks my friend. 👍
Love that Jaguar or is it a Jazzmaster?I may've mentioned I recently bought a Blacktop Jaguar 90 ,love the p90 sound but a bit hefty.Anyway I was about to buy black Musiclilly locking tuners for my £90 Bullet Mustang when a couple of amazon reviews said their qc was trash so I went fook it and bought a black Fender locking set for £100 .I just got a cost of living payment from the govt so this is what they meant I'm sure lol .
😂Nice one - yeah the Fender ones are actually very decent - staggered too 😎👍
great vid but too late. i bought a set for a squire and they were poop. it looked like the holes on your set didnt match up, thought you could have mentioned that. but..... i am now goint to get a set of wilkinson and try them thanks to your advice.
Yeah mate I think I did mention in the vid the holes didn't line up on the Fazley. But I managed to screw them in at an angle 👍
The Vanson's are way better 👍
Wilkinson will be too 👍👍👍👍
How is the tunnin stability while using the tremolo bar? Keep in tune?
Yes! 😃
It's not perfect, but it is really good imo for a 2pt non locking trem.
Although I don't think the locking tuners have much to do with the tuning stability from trem use - that's more to do with the well cut nut, no issues with the saddles and the graphtech string tree helps too 👍
@@stevecassidyguitar Thank you for your help
@@denunciasasea1128 No worries mate 😀👍
What is that tune you are playing at the beginning please, great tune and well played
Aww thanks mate! 😃🙏
It's just something I came up with on the spot (with a little bit of refinement).
Everytime I pick up that baritone - something new & interesting (to me) comes out 😃
It's tuned to A standard
@@stevecassidyguitar you couldn’t tab it for me could you (please) lol it’s lovely I wanna learn it
@@dirteedank2602 Thank you mate - glad you like it 😃
What I'll do is... Make a quick tutorial vid on it and post it - howzat? 😃
But it might be a while - soz 😬
@@stevecassidyguitar yes please 🙏🏻 that’s amazing, thank you
Btw my gauges arrived and the 2020 Squire Bullet is near as damn it 9.5 in btw It might be 10 but def not 12 in so I think you'd love one ,everyone should have one just for the weight alone ,mine @ 5.7lbs is on the heavy side lol
You've had me thinking about these 🙈 I think I'll keep an eye out for a Used Squier Sonic Mustang now - they're apprently 9.5" and I prefer the maple fretboard. I'd imagine it will also be light as they're small and only have 40mm bodies 😀👍
@@stevecassidyguitar They re v good too but alder instead of basswood so about a pound or so heavier but that's still light
@@Dave062YT Ah - Good point 😎👍
@@stevecassidyguitar You could build one from parts ,a bullet body and a sonic neck .I may even do that myself as it goes.[tho I'm v happy with the bullet neck/fret board .
@@Dave062YT You're full of the great ideas tonight! 😀👍
That could be the best of both 👍
Anyone have any experience of GUYKER tuners? Any good?
Yes mate! I've had a l;ocking set before. I got them years ago when you could only get them on Ali Express. They were not great - but I believe they have tiers of different quality (I probably got the cheapest ones). And since then I've heard they have better quality, but I've not revisited them since.
@@stevecassidyguitar ta!
Agreed. Jump in and getting your hands dirty. These guitars are not hard at all. Actually the set up is the crucial tetiuos part. Building kit was pretty easy.
Couldn't agree more Re set-ups takes a lot of time and experience to get it dialled in how you like it 👍
So, here's what I think. Vanson and Wilkinson Tuners probably come out of the same factory (Jin Ho in Korea). Like much more affordable locking tuners from Asia likes Kaynes, Guyker, Artfit and whatever they are called - those which all look the same, just the logo switches.
I've installed loads of the tuners from any of the brands mentioned before (just not Vanson, looks like they only sell in the UK, at least not in Germany) and only had to return a set once. All others were fine. So nothing special, QC can't be perfect.
The most recent set of tuners I installed are the exact same Musiclily tuners you used in the video. I experienced the same thing with the holes not fitting perfectly, but it worked out. For me they were the best affordable locking tuners I ever used. Blindfolded I wouldn't be able to tell them apart from my Gotoh MG-Ts. Smooth as butter. I was really impressed. Maybe I just got lucky. Or you were unlucky. Or something in between. Or both.
Yes indeed mate - you're spot on. I only learned this (about Jin Ho) from someone else recently commenting on this video (I love this community! 😃)
The Vanson's are stamped "Jin Ho" on the underside. The musiclily ones weren't terrible, I'm keeping them on, they're decent. But the Vanson's are definitely smoother turning, feel more robust, and have a better grip on the locking wheels.
With all your experience.... Do you know of any budget locking staggered sets?
Around £45 - £50 would be a great price point 😁👍
@@stevecassidyguitar unfortunately not. I know Jin Ho also produces some of the staggered locking tuners for Harley Benton, but I so far I couldn't find any budget friendly staggered locking tuners.
Edit: If I really really want staggered I use the before mentioned Gotoh MG-T. Should come for like £50 - £70, as I pay around 60- 80 € most of the time. Depends...
Edit 2: I just found out the information previously posted at this place was wrong, what a shame.
@@tostrmofo6686 Oh wow!! Nice one! 😃👍
That's brilliant news - they must be really new! 😃 I've been checking on and off for a while.
I did a review of the Harley Benton Fusion ii and was asking if anyone knew what the tuners were and where to get them as they're brilliant 👌
Awesome find thanks again bro! 🥳
@@stevecassidyguitarWell unfurtunately that was a misinformation. I will edit it out. I just got in contact with HB and they told me none of them are staggered. It seems like someone misinterpreted something.
Edit: So the Thomann website claimes the "6L NI" to be staggered. That's where the mistake originated probably.
I also watched your Fusion II video last night (I couldn't sleep, you gained quite a few views out of that circumstance). I liked mine a lot, hat the HH FR version and couldn't enjoy it any more after getting my first Ibanez Prestige with Super Wizard HP neck. As much as I love that neck, it destroyed quite a few relationships to other guitars I just don't feel comfortable to play anymore.
Btw. I ended up ordering a Fazley Strat last night as well. I hope I will like the neck, as it is s affordable... If I do I might cancel the Nashville-Tele project.
@@stevecassidyguitar So, good news. At least the 6l gd and ni are as I stated before staggered. What happened: I looked at the engineering drawing and saw the following: the shafts have the same lenghts, but the string holes are in deed staggered. I asked Thomann if this was the case with the other Harley Benton 6l locking tuners as well, as they don't have a drawing in the description. They answered that none of them are staggered.
Today they contacted me again to tell me that they made a mistake and that the tuners are staggered. I have them check if this is the case for the balck and chrome ones as well, as they initially stated it is not. I will updated you as soon as they come back to me.
If it doesn't have "JIN HO" stamped on the bottom, then it's not worth it, Chinese made with quality issues. If it's a JIN HO rebrand (like Tote Ninja or probably these Vanson, maybe even some Guykers etc.) then they're solid tuners from Korea.
Ah! Good to know! Thanks for that - I've seen the Jin Ho on various tuners and always wondered about that.
Great info - thank you! 🙏
not sure about vanson but I have had many wilkinson parts and they are poor, very poor. Will try vansons tho.
What I've since learned, is the Vanson & Wilkinson locking tuners are practically the same thing. They should have "JIN-HO" stamped on the underside. These are made in a factory in Korea, and in my experience, have been very good quality 😀👍
I have heard this aswel, I have had 3 sets of wilkinson tuners and found they just dont hold tune after any bends. I haven't tried the locking version tho so I might try the vanson, even if they are the same the returns policy might be better.@@stevecassidyguitar
I think both chords were subscription. But my grandad being a Scot what would I know.
Edit! Apologies Just rewatched the video - I forgot about the subscription chords! 🙈
Thanks for the sub mate! 🙏 Welcome to the channel 👋😀
Locking tuners! 😀
What's your favourite? School me! 😎👍
Duesenberg. They have the post hole like the vintage style tuners, which works a treat. And look great😊
@@aussiephildan440 Never tried those - will check em out.
Cheers 😃👍
Honestly , before changing the tuners , we must know this luthier technique , i have seen the effect on a a guitar with brand new strings ,with very meh meh tuners , it's just AMAZING ....
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As i don't know a lot about locking tuners , i can say that this is the best technique to get close to them , i wonder if it isn't better , you lock the string .....
Those who already know it won't need this video , but i guess that they aren't a majority ....
Anyway it can spare some money ....
Nice video, but I couldn't disagree more. Musiclily Pro 6 inline Locking String Tuning Pegs are excellent.
Each to their own eh? 🤷
They are a big improvement over the stock tuners on the Fazley/Jet (but those were REALLY bad 😆). The Vanson's and other higher priced lockers I've tried feel better than the Musiclily's - to me 😉
Thanks for your comment though 🙂🙏
Thank you~
I bought these and they didn't even last me a year. Two stopped working at the same time somehow, just stopped turning. Don't cheap out on tuners, got to pay for quality.
I'm not surprised mate 😬Mines are still working, but they don't feel as good quality to me as the Wilkinson/Vansons.
I'm not sure the locking feature is worth it, vanson standard seem perfect just as good as Gotoh IMHO. Locking tuners have the rep. of snapping strings too.
Good points well made sir.
I like the locking feature mainly for convenience and ...emergencies 🙈
I need those quick string changes, as I'm foolish enough to only bring one guitar to a gig 🙈
I've never experienced Lockers breaking a string (yet) currently got em on 15 guitars, various brands and prices.
Wish I never typed that - Guaranteed string break this week now! 🙈
Probably not used,just a sweaty fingered worker loading the product in packaging.
Unacceptable! 🧐
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