Please, Noooo Spandex!!! Your comment reminds me of a customer I saw walking by the paint desk where I work at the Madison Lowe's. He was 6'6" tall, a mohawk and wearing pink spandex and he seemed very proud of himself. I shudder every time I think of that visual. On to the more relevant subject of sawing logs into lumber, I understand the quarter sawing process much better. As usual, you have given us another video that lets is see the work involved and I have no desire to saw logs myself unless I am sleeping. I still recommend your business to customers that I am helping at Lowe's who are looking for much better quality lumber than what Lowe's carries. I used to buy the vast majority of my red oak at Lowe's and I still have those projects, but I will never buy any more red oak or poplar unless it is a small piece that I may need to finish something up in a more hidden area. Looking forward to the next video as well as my next visit to buy some more fine hardwood lumber from you for yet another project. Cheers.
I was reading this comment as I was eating breakfast and almost blew biscuits on my keyboard! The mental image was hilarious and cringy at the same time! Don't worry, you will never see me in spandex, and I may not ever eat another biscuit while on the computer! Thanks for shopping with us and thanks for being such a good customer!
I happened across your sites No.'s 1, 2 & then this one today, the 23rd anniversary of the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. On No. 2, I left a comment regarding quarter sawing as some styles of furniture and cabinetry are designed around, say, quarter sawn white (or red) oak, etc.. Then, upon refreshment of my computer (no alcohol involved), lo and behold, I find this post. I will be coming back to look up some more Spandex-Free nuggets of wisdom as "Old Sparky" (my computer) and (Father) time permit.
Love this technique for quarter sawing I am novice saver myself loving it thank you for sharing your knowledge it has completely changed how I look at a log thank you Robert
No issues with that, it helps to stay on the fleck. This log was the last in a long run and I was in the Zone. Some logs are cranky, this one was sweet. Thanks for trying the technique and thanks for watching.
Really like your channel. I watch several times because I'm a guy, we are simple creatures and need adult supervision. Thank you for creating your videos, very very helpful.
That was nice. I run Baker equipment, all 3-phase. It's a little tricky for me to do this technique because my band mill saws towards the log clamp. Sometimes it hard to get a good grip on the cant.
That's good information to know, I didn't realize that. Baker builds some real nice equipment, I am very impressed with them and their products. I took a detailed tour of their facility when we picked up our custom edger, and I was impressed. They are top notch!
I've watched this video a few times...GREAT INFO. Haven't found another channel that gives as much info as you do Robert. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
Always fasinated watching The Professor smart working. Great teacher, great presentation of relevant points. All that is missing is a blackboard, a lectern and chairs for students. The Professor is in the room.
Robert, your quarter sawing method is pure genius. I was hoping that you would show the setup for the gunbarreling technique. Have you ever shot video of the entire milling process from start to finish? I would be interested in seeing your full production procedure. (Retired mechanical engineer). And i hope you are feeling better after your illness. I really enjoy your humor.
Thanks, yes I have done a series of quartersawing videos, and a couple dedicated to gun barreling. They are scattered amid the videos I’ve made, and I will probably make a quartersawing playlist to better organize them. BTW, one professional quartersawing company has adopted my technique and says it’s both 15% faster and 15% higher yield than conventional techniques.
Yes I do see why . Some very beautiful wood . I enjoy watching your videos . I'm just getting in this , and I'm almost 60 yrs. Old , and still learning every day . I have a small home made bandsaw mill , does ok , and still learn something new . Appreciate you videos and your time and information . Thanks , Christopher Hale
That is awesome! I’m almost 60 as well and am still learning too. That’s the cool thing about sawing, there’s always something to learn and keep me excited.
I really enjoy your videos, Robert (and Chip), and the lack of spandex is refreshing! Even though I only have a Granberg-style chainsaw mill, and just cut slabs and process the timber for use in my own business (in Queensland, Australia) I have learnt plenty of great, relevant information from you, and have been well entertained at the same time! Definitely the best sawmilling channel on UA-cam!
Thanks! That is great, some people take offense to my somewhat sarcastic personality, but hey, they ought to see me in person! I used to do some serious chainsaw work, and have a few tips that may help folks out, I don't know, but I have been wanting to make a video on it.
You are on point, I figured people would spot it and since I try to do full disclosure videos, I didn't want to hide it. The bad tooth was definately causing me issues, and you can hear the mill kind of complaining in its RPM as I was cutting. I'm always a stickler for removing band blades, but this was the last cant on the last log, and I was trying to get it done, which is me just being sloppy. However, none of the grooves are deep enough that I can't surface them out when we do our post kiln drying hit and miss planing. Good catch!
I’m setting up my mill and off load area similar to yours. I appreciate the thought you’ve put into your set up. Thanks for sharing your technique! I want to get that smooth!!
Hi! Viewing you from Western Newfoundland Canada. I enjoy watching your style of quarter sawing and Thank-you for the knowledge over all that you share, Because of that, I have taking a Great interest in your Vedic’s on UA-cam. Warm Regards, Dean P.
The people that do the videos and are wearing spandex are making the video for that reason only. Your video’s and Out Of The Woods videos are what I am trying to watch. I can watch spandex on many other type of videos.
Robert, you may have mentioned this before and I missed it, what is the smallest log that you will quarter saw. I really enjoy your videos and have learned a great deal from you on how to cut "good wood".
So far so good, I filmed this video a couple weeks before I put it down, and had been holding it in reserve in case of a problem. Last week we had lots of snow and I got sick so I pulled this one out and published it.
Second question. I’m making hickory flooring for myself, I’m doing quarter sawn, in your opinion, is it ok to mix in rift also. Asking because I’m sure my yields won’t allow for all quarter sawn.
Yes, it is perfectly fine to mix in rift sawn, as that is really quarter sawn just without the fleck. In all, they fall into the category "vertical grain sawn" which is how a great deal of flooring is sawn including much of the hardwood and softwood flooring sawn and sold today. Vertical grain, whether quartersawn or rift sawn will behave the same, and are perfectly compatible together. Very good question!
I know that the LT15 was your first mill and you made jigs to help you achieve your cuts. That is currently my first mill too. Any suggestions on how to jig my logs manually so that I can do the Reverse Roll Quarter Sawing. I know hydraulics make it a lot easier, just not there yet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Brady
The drops from board to board are done with a computer set works. Most mills will have either a mechanical or electrical setworks to make accurate board thicknesses.
I do the same I’m either in my shop or in the house sitting by the woodstove but i think you may have had more snow than we have so far this winter, it’s nothing like it used to be to be when I was a kid most younger generation don’t know how to drive when we get 3” or more heck they close the schools now if we get 3” of snow. Today is the 45th anniversary of the blizzard of 78 now that was a snow storm! I was 15 didn’t go to school for 2weeks😂
It depends on how straight the log is, since the edges and corners are used as references on the bed, either the log must be straight or it must be gunbarrled and straightened.
That is correct, heartwood has a different grain structure and will cause defects in any boards, so is removed either when sawing or doing the secondary processing later. It's removal is essential, and in the case of quartersawing, there are three "center boards" that are removed immediately after splitting the gunbarrel that I didn't show in the video to get the majority of the pith removed, and then after kiln drying, all the boards are planed and edged to bring them to finished S4S, which removes any remaining pith, angled edge and any curve.
Not in the house, but , I grew up playing ball and just don't feel comfortable not wearing a ball cap. It keeps the sun out of my eyes and sawdust as well. If you watch a few of Nathan's videos, you will see him wearing my Hobby Hardwood hat occasionally. He said it was the most comfortable hat he'd ever worn. You know, I ought to do a video without one, just so people know I'm not bald. I used to wear a cowboy hat, but I looked like Hoss Cartwright instead of John Wayne, so stopped.
Nope, although rift sawn and quarter sawn are both sawn at angles to the growth rings, the difference is that quarter sawn as defined by the NHLA has to show significant fleck in oak, maple, sycamore and couple others. If it does not show fleck it is only rift, if it shows fleck, which is more difficult, it is quarter sawn. So in order to be quartersawn and show fleck logs must be aligned approximately 1/4" preferably 1/8" to the medullary rays and this is the part I skipped when I did the first part of the video. So I had a 100% hit rate, or 100% of the boards showed quartersawn fleck which is the whole point of this sawing technique. It saws as fast as any technique but yields nearly 100% high value quartersawn lumber, not lower value rift sawn. It's easy and fast and makes money.
Also is nice to have a machine do all the work. I have a ta schmid saw it's all Manuel crank up down and push it through the log and I have to remove the boards myself and I have to manually load the logs with my tractor. So my sawing is very physical. This sawing I can see if very enjoyable not that mine isn't cause when I'm done is satisfying knowing I manually did myself.
Yes, thanks. We have a nice machine now, but I started with a chainsaw mill, then went to a full manual mill with a 15hp engine, sounds a lot like yours, and as our business grew, we needed to produce more lumber so bought more and more equipment. No matter the mill, sawmilling is fun.
Please, Noooo Spandex!!! Your comment reminds me of a customer I saw walking by the paint desk where I work at the Madison Lowe's. He was 6'6" tall, a mohawk and wearing pink spandex and he seemed very proud of himself. I shudder every time I think of that visual.
On to the more relevant subject of sawing logs into lumber, I understand the quarter sawing process much better. As usual, you have given us another video that lets is see the work involved and I have no desire to saw logs myself unless I am sleeping. I still recommend your business to customers that I am helping at Lowe's who are looking for much better quality lumber than what Lowe's carries. I used to buy the vast majority of my red oak at Lowe's and I still have those projects, but I will never buy any more red oak or poplar unless it is a small piece that I may need to finish something up in a more hidden area.
Looking forward to the next video as well as my next visit to buy some more fine hardwood lumber from you for yet another project. Cheers.
I was reading this comment as I was eating breakfast and almost blew biscuits on my keyboard! The mental image was hilarious and cringy at the same time! Don't worry, you will never see me in spandex, and I may not ever eat another biscuit while on the computer! Thanks for shopping with us and thanks for being such a good customer!
I happened across your sites No.'s 1, 2 & then this one today, the 23rd anniversary of the terrorist attack on the Twin Towers. On No. 2, I left a comment regarding quarter sawing as some styles of furniture and cabinetry are designed around, say, quarter sawn white (or red) oak, etc.. Then, upon refreshment of my computer (no alcohol involved), lo and behold, I find this post. I will be coming back to look up some more Spandex-Free nuggets of wisdom as "Old Sparky" (my computer) and (Father) time permit.
That's great! Glad to have you on the team!
Love this technique for quarter sawing I am novice saver myself loving it thank you for sharing your knowledge it has completely changed how I look at a log thank you Robert
You are very welcome. That makes me feel that I'm doing some worthwhile videos!
Absolutely amazing! No commentary needed, all you need to see is the end result. Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Robert, I have only tried this a couple of times , but I still have to look at every board.😂
No issues with that, it helps to stay on the fleck. This log was the last in a long run and I was in the Zone. Some logs are cranky, this one was sweet. Thanks for trying the technique and thanks for watching.
Awesome technique. Thanks for making education sawmilling content.
Thanks for watching!
Really like your channel. I watch several times because I'm a guy, we are simple creatures and need adult supervision. Thank you for creating your videos, very very helpful.
It's always good to know our limitations, and thanks for watching!
That was nice. I run Baker equipment, all 3-phase. It's a little tricky for me to do this technique because my band mill saws towards the log clamp. Sometimes it hard to get a good grip on the cant.
That's good information to know, I didn't realize that. Baker builds some real nice equipment, I am very impressed with them and their products. I took a detailed tour of their facility when we picked up our custom edger, and I was impressed. They are top notch!
I've watched this video a few times...GREAT INFO. Haven't found another channel that gives as much info as you do Robert. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
I appreciate that!
Get with it big guy.
Yep, gonna try.
Octagon is the answer. Great lesson
Thanks!
Beautiful. RTR.
Thanks!
Always fasinated watching The Professor smart working. Great teacher, great presentation of relevant points. All that is missing is a blackboard, a lectern and chairs for students. The Professor is in the room.
Thanks!
This is the best quarter saw video I've ever seen. (Minus spandex)
Thanks!
Robert, your quarter sawing method is pure genius. I was hoping that you would show the setup for the gunbarreling technique. Have you ever shot video of the entire milling process from start to finish? I would be interested in seeing your full production procedure. (Retired mechanical engineer). And i hope you are feeling better after your illness. I really enjoy your humor.
Thanks, yes I have done a series of quartersawing videos, and a couple dedicated to gun barreling. They are scattered amid the videos I’ve made, and I will probably make a quartersawing playlist to better organize them. BTW, one professional quartersawing company has adopted my technique and says it’s both 15% faster and 15% higher yield than conventional techniques.
Thank you for sharing. Looks like ya'll got some snow up there.
Yes, it was a wet, soggy mess.
Wow! That's some efficient sawing!
Thanks! Quartersawing doesn't have to be slow, it just has to be accurate.
I think I will be picking up my saw next week. I can’t wait to try your techniques. Thanks for all the impeccable advice!
Nice! Good luck with it and thanks for watching.
Thanks for the tips, we do sawing as a hobby for our own needs, not for a living.
Thanks for watching.
You make it look easy....and thanks for the spandex -free info. Cheers
Any time!
Good work there . The pieces you put on the drag back work very well .
Thanks 👍
Great video Robert
Thanks 👍
We love our cherry. Ty
Thanks!
I’m glad I found you. I will see you soon.
Sounds good!
Yes I do see why . Some very beautiful wood . I enjoy watching your videos . I'm just getting in this , and I'm almost 60 yrs. Old , and still learning every day . I have a small home made bandsaw mill , does ok , and still learn something new . Appreciate you videos and your time and information . Thanks , Christopher Hale
That is awesome! I’m almost 60 as well and am still learning too. That’s the cool thing about sawing, there’s always something to learn and keep me excited.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!!!
My pleasure!
Good video; interesting and impressive. Needs more spandex, though.
I thanks, just the thought of me wear spandex make me want to throw up a little!
Thanks for the great videos.
Glad you like them!
I really enjoy your videos, Robert (and Chip), and the lack of spandex is refreshing! Even though I only have a Granberg-style chainsaw mill, and just cut slabs and process the timber for use in my own business (in Queensland, Australia) I have learnt plenty of great, relevant information from you, and have been well entertained at the same time! Definitely the best sawmilling channel on UA-cam!
Thanks! That is great, some people take offense to my somewhat sarcastic personality, but hey, they ought to see me in person! I used to do some serious chainsaw work, and have a few tips that may help folks out, I don't know, but I have been wanting to make a video on it.
Always great information 👍 😊
Thanks 👍
Great video! Very educational.
Thanks!
I’m glad you said something about the bad tooth. I was starting to think you were going too slow and getting band marks.
You are on point, I figured people would spot it and since I try to do full disclosure videos, I didn't want to hide it. The bad tooth was definately causing me issues, and you can hear the mill kind of complaining in its RPM as I was cutting. I'm always a stickler for removing band blades, but this was the last cant on the last log, and I was trying to get it done, which is me just being sloppy. However, none of the grooves are deep enough that I can't surface them out when we do our post kiln drying hit and miss planing. Good catch!
I’m setting up my mill and off load area similar to yours. I appreciate the thought you’ve put into your set up. Thanks for sharing your technique! I want to get that smooth!!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi! Viewing you from Western Newfoundland Canada. I enjoy watching your style of quarter sawing and Thank-you for the knowledge over all that you share, Because of that, I have taking a Great interest in your Vedic’s on UA-cam.
Warm Regards,
Dean P.
Thank You Canada! I'm glad you like my videos, thanks for letting me know. I appreciate it!
Nice to see you using the pivot point method of moving and stacking your boards moving smarter not harder
Thanks! I had a buddy once tell me "Never lift both ends of the board at the same time" and for old people like me, that is great advice.
The people that do the videos and are wearing spandex are making the video for that reason only.
Your video’s and Out Of The Woods videos are what I am trying to watch.
I can watch spandex on many other type of videos.
Thanks!
Robert, you may have mentioned this before and I missed it, what is the smallest log that you will quarter saw. I really enjoy your videos and have learned a great deal from you on how to cut "good wood".
Oh, it’s not kind of a hard and fast rule, but about 18 inches is about my cutoff. Thanks for watching!
Nice work as always. Can't see the concrete floor, how is it holding up
So far so good, I filmed this video a couple weeks before I put it down, and had been holding it in reserve in case of a problem. Last week we had lots of snow and I got sick so I pulled this one out and published it.
Second question.
I’m making hickory flooring for myself, I’m doing quarter sawn, in your opinion, is it ok to mix in rift also. Asking because I’m sure my yields won’t allow for all quarter sawn.
Yes, it is perfectly fine to mix in rift sawn, as that is really quarter sawn just without the fleck. In all, they fall into the category "vertical grain sawn" which is how a great deal of flooring is sawn including much of the hardwood and softwood flooring sawn and sold today. Vertical grain, whether quartersawn or rift sawn will behave the same, and are perfectly compatible together. Very good question!
Do you have a video of the log prep. It looks like you shaved it into a octagon, then cut it half. Is there a certain way you prep it?
Yes, you are correct, it's in one of my other videos, it's called "gun barreling" the log to prep it for quartersawing.
I know that the LT15 was your first mill and you made jigs to help you achieve your cuts. That is currently my first mill too. Any suggestions on how to jig my logs manually so that I can do the Reverse Roll Quarter Sawing. I know hydraulics make it a lot easier, just not there yet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Brady
Yes, I know people who RRQS on manual mills, I will ask them. Thanks for commenting.
Great videos. How thick do you cut your boards.
1 1/8”
Them boards will sure make a purty fence....
They would, but they will make some nice furniture, also.
Are you using a computer to move the saw down or just that familiar with the saw? I am debating on buying one but not sure it is worth the cost.
The drops from board to board are done with a computer set works. Most mills will have either a mechanical or electrical setworks to make accurate board thicknesses.
I personally do not enjoy watching quarter sawing but you some how put the beer goggle lense on and I’m very much enjoying this! Don’t tell my wife😂😂😂
That's great. I don't know how I did that, but I will try to make them all fun to watch!
Look at all that snow happy winter from NW Ohio😂
I don't see how you folks do it! The snow and ice basically shut us down! All I wanted to do was work inside in the warm. Thanks for watching.
I do the same I’m either in my shop or in the house sitting by the woodstove but i think you may have had more snow than we have so far this winter, it’s nothing like it used to be to be when I was a kid most younger generation don’t know how to drive when we get 3” or more heck they close the schools now if we get 3” of snow. Today is the 45th anniversary of the blizzard of 78 now that was a snow storm! I was 15 didn’t go to school for 2weeks😂
hahahaha spandex I liked the reference but Im here for the information
Good, that's why I make the content. Thanks for watching.
Do you always gun barrel log in this technique
It depends on how straight the log is, since the edges and corners are used as references on the bed, either the log must be straight or it must be gunbarrled and straightened.
Where can replacement board return fingers be purchased?
Woodmizer sells them, or they can be pretty easily fabricated. Some people just use hanging roller chain, like in the Baker sawmills.
Like the video.
Thanks!
I always thought there was a heartwood cant that is not used for grade lumber but you keep the heartwood? Is that his sellable lumber?
Heartwood is removed when he passes it through the edger.
That is correct, heartwood has a different grain structure and will cause defects in any boards, so is removed either when sawing or doing the secondary processing later. It's removal is essential, and in the case of quartersawing, there are three "center boards" that are removed immediately after splitting the gunbarrel that I didn't show in the video to get the majority of the pith removed, and then after kiln drying, all the boards are planed and edged to bring them to finished S4S, which removes any remaining pith, angled edge and any curve.
Do you draw on the end to help you see from your position or was that a demonstration for the video?
It was just for demonstration, I normally saw these by eye.
It's so he doesn't get lost! 😂
Robert i think we now need a spandex video so we can judge for ourselves.
If I did that people would lose their lunch.
@@HobbyHardwoodAlabama 😂
Do you wear a ball cap even in the house? I don't think I've ever seen you without it. Love the Reverse Roll.
Not in the house, but , I grew up playing ball and just don't feel comfortable not wearing a ball cap. It keeps the sun out of my eyes and sawdust as well. If you watch a few of Nathan's videos, you will see him wearing my Hobby Hardwood hat occasionally. He said it was the most comfortable hat he'd ever worn. You know, I ought to do a video without one, just so people know I'm not bald. I used to wear a cowboy hat, but I looked like Hoss Cartwright instead of John Wayne, so stopped.
Baseball caps are formal dress in Alabama. Especially ones with a manly logo.
love it
Thanks!
Loving it... but it makes me wish I had hydrolics on my mill...
Someone should dare you to do a thumbnail in spandex... ooops I did it
I keep thinking Chip would look good in Spandex. He's not so sure!
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks!
@@HobbyHardwoodAlabama thanks for the education. Mills coming in 2 months, got a lot to learn.
Congratulations!
Like to see 1/4 sawing
Thanks!
12:12
Yea, that was some pretty wood!
Thank you for 0/spandex
Thanks for watching.
No spandex. It’s a privilege not a right
I've never seen a professional sawmiller wear spandex, ever.
That's mostly rif sawed. Just saying.
Nope, although rift sawn and quarter sawn are both sawn at angles to the growth rings, the difference is that quarter sawn as defined by the NHLA has to show significant fleck in oak, maple, sycamore and couple others. If it does not show fleck it is only rift, if it shows fleck, which is more difficult, it is quarter sawn. So in order to be quartersawn and show fleck logs must be aligned approximately 1/4" preferably 1/8" to the medullary rays and this is the part I skipped when I did the first part of the video. So I had a 100% hit rate, or 100% of the boards showed quartersawn fleck which is the whole point of this sawing technique. It saws as fast as any technique but yields nearly 100% high value quartersawn lumber, not lower value rift sawn. It's easy and fast and makes money.
Also is nice to have a machine do all the work. I have a ta schmid saw it's all Manuel crank up down and push it through the log and I have to remove the boards myself and I have to manually load the logs with my tractor. So my sawing is very physical. This sawing I can see if very enjoyable not that mine isn't cause when I'm done is satisfying knowing I manually did myself.
Yes, thanks. We have a nice machine now, but I started with a chainsaw mill, then went to a full manual mill with a 15hp engine, sounds a lot like yours, and as our business grew, we needed to produce more lumber so bought more and more equipment. No matter the mill, sawmilling is fun.
Ok question quarter sawing ok I get it what about the edges that are now angled that's not a complete square board what do you do for the angle side
Nothing after milling and green, we a wait until after the wood is dried, then put a finished edge on it and sell it for S3S.
Spandex🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Spandex sells videos and that’s about it.
It certainly does.
I started out viewing spandex Sawyer channel, but The Professor cured me.