Why I stopped wearing carbon plated shoes? And why you should too? BUILD A KILLER SHOE ROTATION!
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- Post Autumn marathons of 2013, I made the decision to ditch the carbon plated shoes and stop wearing them for training, sessions and the times where I want to dig deep and reap the rewards from all of the miles I put in. Saving my carbon shoes for race day. To get the most benefit and do something special when the time comes!
Take a watch of this weeks episode to understand my thinking and maybe, just maybe, you might stop wearing the carbon plated shoes as well!
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This is a great video , totally agree. Carbon plated shoes should not be used in training sessions , you need your body to build up the muscles in your legs etc . Carbon shoes are there to make your life easier on race day and maybe the odd race simulation. If you wear them all the time you will not build up the leg muscle / strength you need. You’ve put this together really well. 👍🏻👍🏻💨💨
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I’m guessing that strength training and/or plyo would help with that though
Yes it would , but the is also the job of the non carbon shoes they help build muscle that the carbons ones just won’t build up.
Ive worn my carbon shoes once in 3 years. When i have reached my maximum again i will try them again 👌
Brilliant! xx
Good to hear and what I’ve always thought. All runs (except racing) in regular running shoes.
Amen, brother! I wear the heaviest, most uncool shoes possible in training. Then race day is a revelation.
Totally agree with you. I train on trails in a near zero pair of Higher State (totally non-super) trail shoes. The carbon boss shoes only come out for races but so glad to have them for race days.
That’s what it’s all about! Never tried the higher state stuff, but definitely something I’ve kept my eye on 💪
Still yet to own carbon shoes.
How much time do you think you gain the mara.
Looking forward to this video
For me personally… not much, at best a minute, if anything! Just depends if you’re a responder or not and how you foot strike, a lot of people wear the Nike’s who tend to heel strike and if anything, they’re disadvantaging themselves.
I am a forefoot striker, but my PB’s pre and post carbon can’t really be split apart!
Steven the main thing with the supershoes is the recovery time..a hard session won't stay in your legs for days like traditional pumps
Agree with you g ,I wear rebels aswell as nb 1080s and 890s don't like wearing super shoes ,only on race day ,keep up the good work
I keep fancying a pair of the 880’s as a firmer daily shoe, but yet to pull the trigger on them!
Interesting point of view. I run both plated and none plated. My point of view is that whatever you're doing in racing you should be doing in training.
Going by your thought process as an extreme why not train in plimsolls so then any trainer would be beneficial on race day. Adaptations take place by putting your body in similar conditions to race day but without the raceday effort and prolonged fatigue.
Im not saying youre wrong what works for you only you know.
Yes exactly that, all an experiment on your own body… so that you’re in the best possible shape and giving yourself the opportunity to give it your all. 👏
Nice take.
Agree with what you mentioned but I must add, that using carbon shoes in training does have its benefits at least for me - I recover much faster and can go out hard again sooner, less pain too vs using flat pairs. It allows me to train longer and more frequent and that itself is a huge benefit for me. I only use worn off retired carbon shoes for training and not all the time, mixed with other shoes. And then on race day, I used a fresh pair, I still feel like Superman.
Yep I can see that… I think personally with the right daily shoe companion with enough cushioning allows for the similar benefit to allow you to train for longer and stay fresher. Keep running 👊
Nailed it. I agree with so much. (full disclosure, I am a brooks ambassador - it shouldn't make any difference in my comments, but always best to be upfront) . A bit like triathletes.. using heavy wheels in training and fast wheels in races. I would go further and say I also don't like to use super cushioned shoes for my long runs either. For long runs I like a flexible shoe with a moderate amount of cushion, but not crazy.. I want my feet to strengthen up for race day on those longs runs. I want my legs to build up strength - so many people are using super cushioned shoes for the long runs, and then they hit a marathon in a race shoe and the difference between training and race day (in terms of work the legs have to do) is just too big. And so right with 'eveyone in vaporflys' - 2019/2020 was crazy but I saw so many people who shouldn't have been running in them - it was a pronation nightmare.
Yep exactly that.. I think the cushioned shoes have a time and a place. Especially those recovery runs, hopefully we’ll feel the benefits in years to come when we still have knees left 🤣
And yep 19/20 was a sea of vaporflys on the start lines, but so many heel strikers there as well, there’s a reason the reinforced rubbber is at the front and it’s more or less a token gesture on the heel.
A few weeks ago I took note of the suggestion to stop wearing carbon plated shoes while training. And I must thank that person. In fifteen months of running I now proudly have my first black toes......lol
I'm going to try swimming with weights next.
Nice channel. Im trying to transition from Nike (Alphfly) to Altra - it also has carbon plate but it fits your barefoot background. (yes I also prefer the Alphafly v1 cos of lowest drop of 4mm, v2 is trash and v3 is for sub 2:20 runners)
Have a couple carbon shoes for fast days, racing and occasionally for long hard efforts. Keep my legs feeling fresh. I go to the gym twice a week to strengthen the legs. Do what’s best for you
Purpose in your practice and yep do what you think is best for you, that’s the beauty of running 😁
Agree with you. I'm 50 yo and my feet, ankles and calves do not work well with carbon plated shoes for everyday runs. You mentioned the stiffness but there is also more strain as an adverse effect of "energy return". I still tolerate nylon plates/rods for shorter quicker runs.
Yep carbon’s are great at the race pace stuff, but anything slower than that they don’t come into their element, so to speak.
I agree with you I've never had carbon and doubt I ever will I'm a massive adiós boost fan still got a pair I save for races when I get back that is lol...I've just got 2 pairs of the Adidas supernova 2 and supernova +...both great everyday go to trainer....great ramble👊
Adidas seemed to go downhill for me when Nike led the carbon war and they’re behind on the daily trainer market too, looking forward to trying the supernovas though!
@@therunningmaninblue ..yeah I agree they did go down hill after adiós boost era these supernovas are the first Adidas I've had since a decent medium weight shoes great for easy /tempo sessions 👍
I broke the cuboid bone in my ankle in Nike Zoom Fly 3s. I did hit the edge of a curb hard at an awkward angle but it could be that the plate did not allow me to absorb the impact better. Since then I've transitioned into Altra zero drops, primarily the Escalante Racer which is pretty minimal. I am interested in the Altra Vanish Carbon 2 though - for ego runs :)
The Altra range is fantastic! There’s a lot of benefits to be had from zero drop shoes 💪
If you had to pick one all rounder everyday / tempo /easy / long. what would it be. I’ve Nike invincible 2 but ready for something new. Was looking at sacorney speed 3 but it has mixed reviews. Thanks.
If you’re comparing to the invincible 2’s… I’d go for the New Balance 1080v13’s, honestly they’re class, you can wind the pace up in them if you really wanted to. A lot more stable than the invincible with the right amount of cushioning.
Cheers mate
Balance is a key word here: base building is the right time to buid that strength and work those little muscles, and for that, non carbon plated shoes might be better. However, the closer to a goal race, the more specific you should be training, including training conditions, material and shoes too, IMHO.
It depends how often you race as well… if you’re racing often, that will come from realistic practice.. if you’re racing sparingly, you’ll need to create that simulation yourself.
Yeah the NB Rebel V3's are a fantastic shoe. So light and bouncy. Faster training and parkruns for these. I going to replace my Adidas Pro 3's for easy/long runs with some Puma Forever Run Nitro and save my Diadora Gara Carbon's for race day.
The Puma Forever Run’s get some great reviews. Be interested to try a pair!
How do you feel about shoes with carbon rods like the Boston 12?
Same as a carbon plate?
I haven’t been a fan of the Boston’s since the 9’s… they changed the whole market of them and I haven’t gone back since. But yep similar philosophy and way of thinking in my head, in relation to rods and plates.
Boston 12 doesn't have carbon rods. It has fiberglass rods, which are more forgiving and less aggressive than a carbon plate. Their more like tubes than a rod. They have 5 independent rods that extend all the way to the toes. The rods are narrow enough where you have some flex point in the forefoot. As a forefoot striker, the rods feel much more natural than a plate and imo vesatile and ideal for daily training. I rotate them with the Topo Cyclone 2 and the Puma Volocity Nitro 2. Both are nonplated with traditional geometries and plenty of ground feel.
Race day only.
Wow! You're using more shoes than me and I own The Complete Runner! Then again I'm not running the 70/8/90 miles per week as I was when I too ran 2.25. We no longer have a Nke account so I haven't worn their plated shoes but from Asics Glideride etc my view (for what's it's worth) is that heel strikers (slower runners?) should be wary of stiff plated shoes. As the foot rolls forward my experience is that greater force is required to overcome the pivot and toe off. This reacts on the quads above the knee especially leading to injury. We don't hear much about injury from plated shoes so this video is of interest. I suppose runners aren't going to spend over £200 and proclaim the shoes have caused them injury. I can see your logic in restricting usage of your plated shoes to race day as a "marginal gain" but wonder if eventuallu you will give them up altogether? Back in the '80s when so many good marathon times were recorded the race shoe would be very flexible, very lightweight, quite minimal. But yes the legs felt it! I can see the benefit of a midsole of foam creating a protective barrier and aid speedier recovery certainly. But to repeat slower runners might think twice about the stiff, plated shoes. There are other ways to record better race times. Terry Lonergan
Yep I agree.. nature of human beings, they don’t want to admit something. Definitely see a lot of individuals who are heel strikers in carbon shoes. There is a reason that Nike place the rubberised reinforcement at the front of their shoes and not so much at the rear.
Hello Gareth, recently on his Run Smarter podcast, Aussie physiotherapist Brodie Sharpe did an episode called Bone Stress Injuries in Runners Using Carbon Fiber Footwear... you might be interested in checking it out !! My takeaway was that the science is inconclusive because it's still very early days but that there is some evidence that we need to at the very least include a transition period in our training when intending to use carbon shoes in races. A couple of years ago he also did an episode called Is a Carbon Fibre Shoe Right for Me? with Simon Bartold, which you might also find very interesting. Happy Running!! 💪🏻🏃🏻♀💪🏻🙋🏻♀
Yep it is very interesting… it might be that we’re hypersensitive to it because carbon shoes are all new, but just feels as though there are more prominent stress fractures and documented fractures.
What about carbon shoes for heavy weight beginners/people who just run once a week to assist them and make running more fun and less of a struggle?
Not an expert - a very average runner - but I don't think that carbon plates are wise for slower/more recreational runners. It's not what they're designed for, and they can be quite unstable, too. Probably more worthwhile to just have a bouncy foam sole.
I do all my runs in speeds 3s and last year before my first marathon chester i got sum saucony pro 3 a week before the race. A ran in them once and went into the marathon with like dead legs ha. Was a disaster. its proper put me off carbon shoes like. Got manchester dis year going for sub3 a was tempted to buy sum carbon shoes again to help me get that sub 3, just alot of money to spend on 1 race like and risky if they make my legs ache again ha
I think running style and as another comment says, an adaptation period is necessary… having been a wearer of both though I don’t seem to find that issue.
Thanks for the video!! Can you please never bend "fold" your shoes again!! It greatly affects the structure of your shoes! Creates weak points
Thankfully I wouldn’t plan on doing that on a regular basis… call it dramatic effect 😅