In an interview Roddy McDowall said too many people have spent so much time just trying to link each movie to the next trying to make sense in how one leads to another. He expressed that it’s not worth it with so many holes it’s like explaining Frankenstein’s comeback “…okay.” That all that mattered was the current film and whether the story here was viable and successful. Fun fact: Throughout his whole life, McDowall never even saw Beneath the Planet of the Apes. None of them were thinking in “franchise” terms because franchises weren’t a big thing. They just went along with what was needed at hand with each film. I love that Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver went a different path with the idea that there could possibly be more movies so they wanted to focus each film on their one story.
@@patricktilton5377 Roddy McDowall said he’s never seen Beneath in his PotA interview for the behind the scenes documentary special edition. This interview was filmed in 1998 only months before he passed away. I wouldn’t put something like that in a comment and label as fact if I didn’t hear him say it himself. 😂 it’s on YT.
Also, on hindsight, the way both Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver first approached Rise was genius. I was a kid back when these cases happened in the late 2000s, but I had only just learned the tragic story of Travis the chimpanzee and the outcry that it caused in providing a serious discussion of wild animals as domestic pets, and when I read the basis of Rise, even though they didn't referred to that story specifically but other similar cases, it made me discover a whole new dimension with Rise I hadn't seen before
I’d say it’s a parallel reboot timeline to the original series. Some similar events could happen told differently from different points of views. Its parallel cause similar events could eventually happen. Another example of a contemporary reboot that parallels the original source material is the Bates Motel tv series to the original Psycho. Same thing applies here. I love that there is a bit more connective tissue in Kingdom, but this new series exists on its own without having to rely on the original series and it’s been an amazing journey with this new series as a result. Great video Josh
I've always had the mindset that the newer films are slowly working their way towards the original 1968 film for there are little nods to it in Rise as well as the others.
I think a simple explanation for both series to be connected is the fact that the original series takes place on the east coast of the US, and the modern series takes place on the west coast, and even hundreds if hears later transportation being on still horseback means that ape tribes on different parts of the world don't communicate with one another, the founder of the ape revolution was always Cesar, Cesar wasn't on the east coast so the apes there have formed their own explanation for how they came to be. Which is where the Arlo story comes in. Arlo was probably the first to be exposed to the virus and was the Cesar figure of the east coast tribes.
I actually like this idea! If the right writers use this concept, they could really make something great of it! I've been viewing the new PofA as a great character study of humanity and everything that comes with this higher form of awareness and intelligence we have. So much humanity is shown in these movies, staring apes that they could really tackle so many great topics, questions, and idea's we have about our own history and existence! Film 4 started to touch on the concept of religion. Taking a story pasted along over generations and seeing how it can evolve and morph into different interpretations depending on who's telling the story. Similarly, hundreds of miles away, a similar origin story takes place.. A different ape on the other side of the country says "No".. So many of the religions we have today have such similar origins stories that it seems like they might have come from one big telephone game told century after century that made it's why all over the world! I want to keep diving into this comment and rambling, but I'm going to stop here.. The bottom line is: I love it 🐒🐒
I agree they are currently not linked to the originals. I also love the sequels and prefer your take on it as far as leaving them separate timelines going forward. Great stuff!
The idea that folklore of an ape named Aldo will be invented by "the lawgiver" ape is a great angle. That the future apes lose the historical facts surrounding Ceasar and then invent their own origin story for the "sacred scrolls".
They planted that whole concept alone with the introduction of Proximus and his distortion of Caesars ideologies. Who knows how other apes will twist the history 2000 years after everything already happened.
It seems people ignore that the original movies are specifically time stamped onscreen beginning with Heston’s opening monologue… the ship clocks reveal the launch date year as 1972… Escape From the Planet of the Apes takes place in 1973…. Conquest takes place in 1991, it’s right there onscreen…so you can’t link these movies unless you bring in some Multiverse shit (please don’t bring in Multiverse shit….)
Ironically, the humans represent the biggest obstacles to linking the 20th century POTA films with those filmed in the 21st. How do you explain the advanced space technology (sleeper ships) being used in 1972 when this technology doesn't even exist today? How do you reconcile the totalitarian and later dystopian North American human societies seen in Conquest and Battle when those did not exist in the 1990s or 2000s in the new films? Also, if human society is basically decimated in the 2010s (according to the new films), who creates the Alpha and Omega bomb?
It would be very interesting to see a reimagining of the ‘68 version, but from the perspective of the apes. They learn what exactly happened between the apes and civilized humans, but now we have an ape and a human who want the same thing for the same reasons.
I think the reboots should be their own story. They're doing such a great job with it and I think connecting them to the original series will be a mistake. The Matt Reeves films in particular are exceptional!
@@KenMasters-w9z I think they work better as their own story. I love the 1968 film and definitely have a soft spot for "Escape", but the reboot series feels like a different take on a great story and it works as its own separate timeline IMO.
I just hope there won’t be any mutants in the new Planet of The Apes movies because it is dumb and it almost ruined the original franchise when Beneath of The Planet Apes came out which it became a terrible movie.
@@nomadictimbo9185 another thing too is that since the newer films are so disconnected from the original series with their own lore and world building details, it would take a tremendous amount of time for the film makers to try and time both sagas together to make them make sense. Essentially it would just be a huge waste of time and should be avoided. The newer films are great doing their own thing with their story while having some references to the original films here and there
I think the reboot should be separate from the main films. Not only that the continuity just doesn't add up (i.e. the Nuclear War message, the evolution of the apes in the originals, and the Ship Time being 1972 which I think is very important if they wanted to keep the original film as the only one.) It would be very interesting to have the world that the Astronauts crashing into the Reboot world and doing it's own thing instead of trying to force it into the original when there is too many things that wouldn't really add up. Then again, I always thought the Original series was mostly a time loop with the apes escaping Earth into the past and causing the Ape uprising, and later humanity's downfall.
I think it could get quite convoluted if both timelines end up connecting. There's no denying that for the Caesarverse, we might get to see the next evolution of the apes into a functioning techonlogical society akin to the original movies, but in a question that both Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver pondered up in a interview with Film Speak was this: "Do we want to rush toward an ending, or do we want to find an interesting story to tell with interesting characters?" That right there can tell you everything about where they want the Caesarverse to go, and its to be its own thing and explore new ideas and characters. And to me, I'll take that any day of the week over the risk of a multiverse story. Great video, my friend!
I personally consider the original films and the recent films to be different timelines. Conquest and Rise are essentially the same, just the latter sets up a more grounded world for the apes and both are different in terms of what happens in each film, setting up how the apes eventually take over.
The problem is that Escape and the proceeding films in the original continuity depict via time travel events that happen BEFORE Rise which clearly shows radical differences in the timeline including a completely different origin for Caesar, so it simply can’t be made to connect.
I prefer the idea where they only connect to the original 1968 movie and nothing else. I can see the Kingdom trilogy ending in a nuclear war, then at the very end before the credits we skip a couple thousand years and we see Taylor’s ship arriving, I think this would be the perfect ending.
yeah I wouldnt mind looking at the film differently ala Rogue One- Star Wars:A New Hope also what actor could replace Charlton Heston in this in Age id also have an issue with them recasting Taylor as a female or race swapping him.
I was thinking the same. A sequel later on down the line in this series as a reimagining of the 1968 film but with the story told a little differently like instead the astronauts that were sent into space and then went missing in Rise could return hundreds and hundreds of years later to find the earth mostly inhabited by intelligent apes but this time they could rehash the story from Escape where now the apes are at first welcoming of the new human visitors to their world and want to learn more about them but just like in Escape the apes could eventually grow fearful of these mysterious new humans and then like in Escape the humans may eventually overstay their welcome with the apes with the humans then going on the run from the apes.
There is another issue, in rise there is a scene of a broadcast about the icarus mission, implying that they left earth recently, contrary to the original where taylor left earth in the 70s
That's another great point! I completely overlooked that honestly, but I think it could still easily be included and retconned someway to fit into the OG timeline. Not that I would want them to, but I think it can be done.
I’d like the reboot to be separate from the originals and to tell its own story’s ending. If it has to tie into the originals them to put its own unique spin on things that’s the two options i’d like to pick from personally speaking. Take care 😘🏴 #Apes Together Strong ❤ #Caesar Never Forgotten ❤💔😭🤧 ❤ #Team Noa ❤
They will definitely connect it to the original movies. Noa and Noah were looking at the sky when they saw the spaceship from the 1968 movie in the Kingdom movie. So we will finaly see modern look of dr zaius, zira and cornelius.
Reboot timeline takes inspiration from the originals with nods, and it's even clear they're slowly working towards their version of astronauts landing on a PotA in this timeline. However, beyond light-hearted fan-canon I'd hate any serious attempt to say they're "prequels" to the original movie. To me, it's clear they're two different timelines with different backstories for the human race's downfall (i.e. nuclear war vs. unintentional human-made virus). Not to mention, the apes in the original are basically humanoid whereas in the reboot timeline they look more like their real-life Ape counterparts, so it doesn't even match in that regard. So, yeah, I think they should just let the reboot timeline, which most fans already love, stand on its own instead of trying to shoehorn into the original movie.
It would be bold and risky, but I would legitimately want a remake of the original, set in this timeline but the gimmick is that actors who’ve played apes play the humans. Toby Kebbel or Andy Serkis as Taylor. Actors who’ve played humans play the apes. John Lithgow or Brian Cox as Dr Zaius
I'm firmly in the 'keep them separate' camp. The problem with the Aldo line in Escape is that it completely contradicts the '68 film in which, except for a select few, apes had no idea of the actual history.
Cornelius was making up the stuff about Also on the spot. He said it was commemorated by the apes and in the sacred scrolls. We know from watching the first movie That the sacred scrolls say Nothing of the sort They didn't acknowledge that apes were even Ruled by humans. Zaius went to great lengths to k That from becoming public knowledge. @@nex_ialist06
@@nex_ialist06 Cornelius got the first ape(being aldo)from the sacred scrolls which in reality we all know history gets lost or twisted through Time like with Religion. We already saw in Kingdom that Caesar was held down as a religious figure to some,maybe his name got lost through out the years
What I love about the original films is that they get slightly lower quality over tine, the stories are insane and completely ridiculous and bro time travel The reason I love this is that it gives any new movies that are made the freedom to try things if they want to. This is a franchise that can live a long time due to the, well, almost «modular» nature of its earlier films
One thing is for sure...The Icurus (spelling?) is seen launching on TV in RISE. That will always appear as if that's where the new series of films is going.
It is an interesting concept that the original are connected to the newer version. We can see that History is mostly parts from winning sides and we had and have manuscripts to tell it. When a civilization mostly have oral and tradition as an History, it can fade away with time passes and it is some version of the actual fact, distorted that remains. So, they could have took some elements of the lore and twist them in their vision.
I always thought rise led up to the 68 one but only that one and not the sequels like in my head cannon the trilogy took place before that one movie like the events of the 68 one could still take place.
In the original movies, the apes' story changed when Zira and Cornelius time traveled to the past. It went from Aldo leading the apes to Caesar taking the lead. So theoreticaaly, you could connect every new series of films by saying that it always ends up with surviving humans destroying Earth with a final bomb but 3 apes also always managing to go back in time... but to different times in the past: the 70s, another time the 2000, 2010, ... You got an inevitable fate story + you can tell something new It's all headcanon tier thinking but yeah that's the first thing that came to my mind right now
Tim Burton's "Apes' movie IMO was a stand alone story, albeit the only movie in the franchise to remain true to the Pierre Boulle novel ending. It was 'Battle for...' which set the tone in the original series for the 2,000 year span of time to anticipate when Taylor's spaceship would crash. Deleted scenes involving the Alpha-Omega bomb in 'Battle' indicated the original series was intended to continue onward. Eventually linking that same bomb to Earth's destruction in 'Beneath...'. I've always scratched my head as to how Cornelius, Zira and Dr. Milo were able to get airborne in Taylor's spacecraft from the shockwave of a nuclear blast? Or was the spacecraft still in the water and they time-travelled that way? There is a void of time between the ending of 'Planet' and the beginning of 'Beneath' which would have to give Cornelius and Dr. Milo time to resurrect Taylors spacecraft. For me those are the only missing pieces from the original storyline. I believe both series will meet to form one continuous circle with the arrival of Taylor two or three movies from now.
That is why I like the movie Oblivion. That movie works as a reason for the terrain to change in the New York State area, to look like the original Planet of the Apes movie. The moon is even destroyed, like in the original movie Cities get buried under rock, like the original movies The Tim Burton movie can even be a crossover into how Apes evolved from the 4 new ones into the more evolved old ones. Plus, the pods in Oblivion could be humans taking the technology from Oblivion to re-engineering them into the pods in the Burton movie pods.
In my opinion, and specific, I suggest the modern trilogy and kingdom because it has technology, CGI, VFX, and everything else. Matt reeves did an incredible job and directed all three films. I didn't see the original movie and the TV show in the 60s at all.
If memory serves me correctly. Rise was supposed to be a prequel to the original, but it contradicted the timeline. So they rebooted the second movie to tell this new story. However, the connection is still there just not from 1972 but more 2010's. So if they were to do it. It would be a remake in a rebooted timeline.. And there's a video about how the Tim Burton movie works until the series. Y'all should check it out.
I think they can eventually link to Heston and beyond. As was said, with Kingdom, they started changing Caesar's story to fit Proximus' beliefs. This is part of history and history is written by the winners, so Proximus was the winner at the start of the movie and was writing history to fit his place in it. So eventually there is likely to be "aldo" who was really caesar but the writer of the sacred scroll choses Aldo perhaps Aldo is an ancestor of the ape leader the sacred scroll writer is trying to gain favor with. History is written by the winners. So the sacred scrolls could also have been written by the winner leader of ape society generations prior because you see how the orangutans are starting with Kingdom to be intellectuals and historians. Just a thought... history messes up the past to suit the present...
You could link them with a few lines of clever dialog in future movies. Keep the timelines seperate, no multiverse. The same or similar events happen in all timelines with just a few variables.
I think connecting them all together would result in the most epic movie franchise in history. They could absolutely manipulate and alter the past a little at time in each of the following films. Caesar is almost forgotten totally in Kingdoms time, it wouldn't take long for apes to reimagine their entire history. Think about the ape world, the apes are wrong about nearly everything. Flight is impossible, Apes evolved from men, evolution is heresy. So many of their ideas are so wrong, why would we accept their own origin story or their story of what humans did as solid fact when everything else they say is so wrong?
Theory for you. Icarus launch in 1972, 3 chimps return to past Earth in 1973. Causing the timeline to diverge. In timeline 1 Cornelius relates to Hasslein the Aldo origin story. But the Dog and Cat wipeout caused by chimps return shifts the timeline onto track 2 where Caesar takes Aldo ‘s role. The reimagined role of Caesar in the newer films segues into Noa becoming the Lawgiver and the author of the sacred scrolls. Final punch up between surviving humans and the ascendant apes leads to the nuclear devastation shown in first 2 films. Thus neatly bringing the timeline back onto track 1 for the Icarus to crash. The mutants are the survivors of the California base who end up in destroyed New York. There maybe logic holes in this, but hey it’s Hollywood.
There's also the possibility that we end this series with more time travel, leading to a second timeline which we could assume leads to the original and beneath, which then leads to the final timeline of escape, conquest, battle.
When the first film in this series was released, it was always my hope that the franchise would wrap around to a retelling of POTA 67. Especially when the news footage told of the lost spaceship. I still have that hope, but if the powers that be decide against it... I'm cool with that too.
Even in the original five films the Apes take over before any nuclear war happens, at least in the timeline viewed in Conquest (if you don't treat it as a time loop).
I always viewed the new films taking place in a separate timeline from the original. I do think it's possible they could take it to a world that looks similar to what we see in original series, I do think it's very possible that by the end of this new Wes Ball trilogy we see a nuclear war. Another thing that separates the original from the new series is the Icarus launched in 1972, while in "Rise" we seen the Icarus launched in the 2010s. I don't want them to connect the two series but that's my personal preference. While the sequels were botched up I do cherish them & enjoy them, I wouldn't want them removed from canon to connect the new films.
Maybe the could do a continuation/ reboot. Think back to Rise when the spaceship went missing I think it was Icarus. Maybe it comes back later after Kingdom like 100 more years or so. Maybe it got stuck in a time loop or something lol
One issue in tying the original film to the new movies is that the Icarus in Rise was a Mars mission that disappeared at the red planet. The Icarus in the original film was an interstellar spacecraft. As far as the nuclear war is concerned the new movies only seems to show a relatively small part of the western United States. Maybe nuclear war broke out during the chaos of the simian flu and places like New York got nuked whilst leaving most of the west coast area untouched.
I really like the idea of only making the original 68 cannon to the new movies. I also really like the idea of remaking the original movies but from the perspective of the apes which is an idea that others have had.
Anytime I talk to someone about the new films that arent familiar with the originals they just call them prequels. And I think as is that can totally work as prequels. Theres obviously gaps missing, but seeing as how wes ball seems to be a super POTA fan, i think your theory that newer films, if connected to the originals, are gonna sort of erase caesar from ape history. I like to view them as an alternate timeline tho. I like the idea of multiple planet of the apes timelines coexisting. I also wanna see sort of a remake of the original film with a new take on it. But I think if they try to connect everything it could work.
Long comment coming, so bear with me. I always saw the new movies as a reboot, but would be open to the idea of them being prequels. I think the biggest issue is the fact that in the original sequels it’s said that apes came to power after being turned into pets/saves, and they actually showed that. It’d be hard to get around that, and be a massive retcon. If we get a Noa trilogy I predict the third film will end with the humans launching the nukes to try, and eradicate the apes, and the apes creating the sacred scrolls. Honestly I think after the third trilogy they do a reimagining of the OG film from the apes perspective. Would you maybe do a video of who you think should play Taylor, Cornelius, zira, and Dr. Zaius if they ever did a reimagining of the OG film today?
I think the new films will eventually connect to the original series and it will actually work out just fine. First, note that Taylor just assumes that nuclear war has happened. But that is just his assumption. While such war might account for the wasteland or human depopulation, it does not account for the humans devolving and becoming mute. I think the status of the humans in the original films confirms the existence of the virus. Second, the "Aldo" story told in Escape is already a retcon because the whole point of the first film is that the apes don't know that humans were once the dominate species. They ares shocked by a talking human since to them humans are just animals that cannot be domesticated. And yet we suddenly have this Aldo character that is also retconned in Conquest to be replaced by that version of Ceaser. The story is so fluid that it allows for changes to be made. I think the new films are what "really happened" and then later on we get the original series of movies that lead to the story being changed through time travel.
One issue I’ve seen is that the original films contradict each other in some instances. Case in point, in Escape Cornelius tells about how the apes were held as slaves and Aldo’s rebelling is known by all apes, but in the first film Dr. Zaius is adamant about selling the history that apes have always been superior to humans. That’s always bothered me a bit. Still, I love these films.
One detail you didn't mention that I find to be irrefutable proof these are different timelines is that in the beginning of the original Planet of the Apes we are shown the date Taylor's ship left Earth, and of course in Rise the ship being reported missing is much later on. The idea of this series connecting back to that original movie would only be as a remake of that story.
I think it's possible that multiple ships could have been lost in space throughout history, so both Taylor's in the 70s and then the astronauts in 2011, but yeah it's definitely a big contradiction.
Honestly, since it is a different Continuity, i feel they really shouldent connect too much, what i would like to see them do is have the apes reach a civilization similar to the one in the Original Novel or Rod serlings draft of the movie which was later turned into the comic Planet of the Apes visionaries, with the Apes having an advanced morden style society or something close, with cars, helicopters, television, full on clothes and so on, they dident go with the concept in 1968 because they lacked the budget to realize it, but it shouldent be a problem Now.
I'd like to see the rise timeline create it's own ending but then you can watch the original POTA if you want a different ending/ continuation amd choose different type of endings
I don't believe disregarding the sequels is really possible because the origins of these two timelines are too far apart at the most basic level. Both stories must be told but not to the point of re-writing the other's history. It would be intriguing to know what Pierre Boulle thought about this but sadly that's not possible. Some really interesting thoughts nonetheless, appreciate ya!
Lowkey think it would be cool if Rokka was a descendant of Dr Zaius and we get a film where we find out he survived Kingdom to spread the word of Ceasar. We could also get the origin of the Forbidden Zone being related to Mae’s people trying to invade Earth and therefore putting Rokka and his relatives off of humans; hence Zaius’s attitudes towards humans in the og story.
IMO this new potential trilogy is already setting up the og film starting with Kingdom, they said they wanted to make 9 films back in 2011 though. I think whatever the final trilogy is will end with or include a remake in some form
Dr. Otto Hasslein would have to be a "time traveler" or "Time Lord" in order to connect to the Original Series to the New PLANET OF THE APES Movies. A time travel causality loop.
Said the same on Instagram but hey, for the algorithm! 😂 Personal opinion, I don't like the idea of making the movies line up with the original, I would preffer this New movies to stand on their own, do their own thing. Also I agree with some of your points, the events that lead to the rise of the apes are so different! It doesn't make sense to try and force the them together, the two timelines are too far apart, however I think a remake of the original movie in this new timeline would be better, if anything. Erasing Caesar's story from Ape history sounds sacrilegious, I hope they don't do that 😂😂 Caesar is way too loved by the fans, but I understand how it could work.
you have a good point but i think this new trilogy will end with a new timeline my reasoning being is becuse they show no atomic bomb so that mean there reason why mutant would exist but who know i might be wrong we got 2 movie left and it might end with both the human and ape fighting in new york and that where they find an atomic bomb
Is it any surprise Ape Nation offers us the best UA-cam video on the Great Ape Timeline Kerfuffle? I think not. Terrific take all around. I think Matt Reeves said it best during the War blu ray commentary - the 1968 original is a kind of "spiritual" sequel to the new series, obviously not a literal one. My main obstacle to tying it altogether in a ... well, still untidy bow would mean it would have to lead to Beneath, and we all know how I feel about Beneath. I even vastly prefer Battle now that I've gone back and rewatched. I'm one of the ones who hated the last half of Beneath as much as the first. Hated the mutants - though I think they could do all kinds of far more interesting things with them in the Caesar timeline. And the ending was just awful. Just kill everyone, seriously? If you remember the Unofficial Oral History of Apes you know I'm not alone. It was very creatively arbitrary. This version really needs to end with some kind of vague, even iffy and remote hope thst Ape and Human can exist together. But your ideas about how it could all potentially loop together are nonetheless the best I've heard. The distortion of history and all that. But of course, there are so many things in the OG series that contradict themselves even. Still, if we have to tread that route, I do think having the 1968 OG being the definitive "canon" (he he) end to all this and none of the others could work, and possibly be even cool and poetic. I always half assumed that's what Wes Ball meant when he talks about these films ending with Taylor and company crashing back on Earth. I just needed someone to articulate it. Anyway, solid thoughts and analysis. Keep aping out, my friend.
If the new films are a reboot, and do not intend to connect to the original film, then I hope that at some point, we get to see the character of Taylor presented in a future film, as a salute to Charlton Heston, given that without his being cast in the lead role of the original and the strong performance he gave, this genre may not have become as popular as it has become.
What if the timeline is that after like 9 movies it leads up to the original planet of the apes and beneath but with escape, Cornelius, Zira and dr milo going back in time to create an alternate timeline that changes the events of how the apes take over
Before I watched all the Apes films (Minus Burtons) I thought maybe both series could connect. But after watched the original 5 there's no way. Unless they utilize the timeloop paradoxical nature of the old films. I'd love to see it that way. Events play out again and again but never the same
Something that comes to mind is that these movies, while being sci-fi stories, are being created by regular film making teams. They aren't comicbook writers who can easily retcon the whole universe like what Marvel and DC have done many times. I couldn't imagine Wes Ball and Matt Reeves sitting down and coming up with a reason to connect the newer films to the original series without having to break up the world building and lore that they created. It sounds like that would be too time consuming trying to patch up contradictions and retroactively make up changes when making their own spin on the Planet of the Apes premise has been successful being it's own continuity which has references to the original series. Wes Ball could eventually do a "remake" or "reimagining" of the 68 film with astronauts landing on Earth, that would be fine, but it would still fundamentally be a different story and not the same as the original film
Chatgpt can connect the continuity I said: Write a timelime merging the original Planet of the apes movies and tv shows to fit continuously with the new Planet of the apes movies. Include the movie Oblivion and the movie 12 monkeys in the timeline continuity. Place the continuity in this order of events, please; 1. Launch of Taylor's spaceship from Planet of the Apes (1968), and other spaceships by space agency. 2. Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) 3. Launch of the spaceship from the movie Oblivion (2013) to meet the alien ai in space. 4. 12 Monkeys (1995) 5. Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011) 6. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) 7. Oblivion (2013) 8. Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014) 9. Using the re-engineering of the alien ship pods from Oblivion (2013), humans and apes build a spacestation and spaceship pods from Planet of the Apes (2001) 10. War for the Planet of the Apes (2017) 11. Planet of the Apes (2001) 12. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) 13. Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973) 14. Planet of the Apes TV show (1974) What ChatGPT came up with below; Creating a comprehensive timeline that 3-5 3 merges the original *Planet of the Apes* movies, TV shows, the new *Planet of the Apes* movies, *Oblivion* (2013), and *12 Monkeys* (1995) is an ambitious task. The timeline needs to accommodate various sci-fi elements such as time travel, space exploration, apocalyptic events, and the rise of both apes and artificial intelligence. Here’s how these stories could fit together in a continuous narrative: --- ### **20th and Early 21st Century: The Dawn of Space Exploration and Viral Pandemics** #### **1968: Launch of Taylor's Spaceship** - **Event**: In the late 1960s, astronaut George Taylor and his crew are launched into space on a deep-space mission aboard the Icarus. The goal of the mission is to explore uncharted regions of space, with the hope of finding new habitable worlds. This marks one of several manned missions launched by Earth's space agency during this era. #### **1971: Launch of Other Space Missions** - **Event**: Following Taylor's mission, additional spacecraft are launched as part of humanity’s increasing ambition to colonize space. These missions are seen as a way to secure humanity’s future in the face of growing tensions on Earth. #### **1971: *Escape from the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: After the events of *Beneath the Planet of the Apes*, Cornelius, Zira, and Dr. Milo, three intelligent apes from the future, escape the destruction of Earth by repairing and using Brent's spacecraft laying on the beach. They are hurled back in time to the year 1971, landing on Earth in the present day. Their arrival causes a major stir as they reveal the future fate of humanity. ### **Early to Mid-21st Century: The Rise of the Apes and the Decline of Humanity** #### **2013: Launch of the Odyssey Mission (*Oblivion*)** - **Event**: In the mid-21st century, humanity launches the Odyssey mission, a deep-space expedition designed to investigate a mysterious alien AI signal detected beyond the Jupiter's orbit. The spaceship, piloted by Jack Harper and his crew, leaves Earth with hopes of making first contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. This mission inadvertently sets off a chain of events that will have profound consequences for Earth’s future. #### **2011: *Rise of the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: Dr. Will Rodman’s experiments with ALZ-112 unintentionally lead to the creation of the Simian Flu, which grants enhanced intelligence to apes while proving deadly to humans. Caesar or Aido, the first of the intelligent apes, leads his kind to freedom as humanity begins to crumble under the weight of the pandemic. #### **2011-2013: *12 Monkeys* and the Rise of the Simian Flu** - **Event**: Around this time, a pandemic caused by the Simian Flu devastates humanity. The virus, initially created as part of the ALZ-112 trials in *Rise of the Planet of the Apes* (2011), spreads rapidly, leading to widespread societal collapse. Simultaneously, the events of *12 Monkeys* unfold, with James Cole being sent back in time to prevent the viral outbreak, but his efforts are ultimately unsuccessful. The pandemic weakens humanity, setting the stage for the apes' rise to power. #### **2020s: *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: In the aftermath of the Simian Flu, apes, now led by Caesar, begin to organize and resist their human oppressors. *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes* sees the apes rise up against their human masters, establishing the early stages of their dominance. ### **Mid to Late 21st Century: Alien Intervention and Final Human-Ape Conflict** #### **2077: *Oblivion*** - **Event**: Decades after the launch of the Odyssey mission, Jack Harper returns to a ruined Earth, unaware that his mission and memories have been manipulated by the alien AI, the Tet. He discovers that the planet has been devastated by a war with the Tet and that the remaining human population is in hiding. The Tet's presence on Earth leads to a final showdown, with Jack ultimately destroying the AI, saving the remnants of humanity, and paving the way for a new future. #### **2028-2030: *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: As human civilization continues to decline, tensions rise between the surviving human communities and the growing ape nation. Caesar struggles to maintain peace, but hostilities inevitably lead to conflict, further weakening humanity and solidifying the apes' dominance. #### **Late 21st Century: Re-Engineering Alien Technology** - **Event**: Using remnants of the alien technology from the Tet, humans and apes work together to build a new space station and advanced spacecraft. This marks the beginning of a new era of exploration and defense, with humanity and apes both aware of the dangers lurking in deep space. These developments lead to the construction of the spaceship pods seen in *Planet of the Apes* (2001). ### **22nd Century: The Final Battles and the Fate of Earth** #### **2040s-2060s: *War for the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: As tensions between apes and humans reach a boiling point, a final, devastating war erupts. Caesar leads the apes to victory, but at great personal cost. This war cements the apes' rule over Earth, leaving the few surviving humans to live in isolated, primitive conditions. #### **2070s: *Planet of the Apes* (2001)** - **Event**: In the early 22nd century, a human astronaut named Leo Davidson crash-lands on a planet where apes rule and humans are enslaved. Unknown to him, this planet is Earth, where the events of the previous centuries have led to a complete reversal of the species’ roles. This film reimagines the classic story with new twists but ultimately fits within the same timeline of apes’ ascension. #### **2090s: *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: The Kingdom of the Apes represents the height of ape civilization. With humans largely reduced to subservience, the apes have built vast cities and advanced their society. However, internal power struggles and the lingering presence of human resistance groups threaten to destabilize this new world order. #### **2100s: *Battle for the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: As the ape civilization matures, internal conflicts between different factions-particularly between Caesar’s descendants and the more militant gorillas-lead to a climactic battle. This marks the beginning of the slow decline of the ape civilization, setting the stage for the events to come. ### **23rd Century: The Decline of Civilization and the Search for a New Future** #### **2300s: *Planet of the Apes* TV Show (1974)** - **Event**: Centuries after the apes' rise to power, scattered human tribes still exist, often in conflict with ape rulers. The television series explores the lives of humans and apes struggling to coexist in a world that has long forgotten its origins. #### **2500s: *Return to the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: The animated series depicts a future where apes have developed advanced technology, including a militaristic society. Human astronauts from a future Earth encounter this world, leading to new conflicts and a rediscovery of lost knowledge. ### **Far Future: The End of the Ape-Human Struggle** #### **3955: *Planet of the Apes* (1968)** - **Event**: Taylor’s spaceship, having traveled through time due to the effects of relativity, crash-lands on a planet that appears alien but is later revealed to be Earth. He discovers that apes rule this world, and humans have become mute and primitive. The remnants of the past are buried under centuries of apes' dominance. #### **3955: *Beneath the Planet of the Apes*** - **Event**: The events of *Beneath the Planet of the Apes* occur simultaneously with Taylor's exploration. Brent, another astronaut, arrives on Earth and discovers the remains of human civilization beneath the surface, including a mutant race worshiping a doomsday weapon. Zira, Cornelius, and Dr. Milo also find Brent’s spaceship washed up on the beach, setting up their eventual escape in *Escape from the Planet of the Apes*. --- ### **Conclusion** This timeline integrates the original *Planet of the Apes* films, the new trilogy, *Oblivion* (2013), and *12 Monkeys* (1995) into a single cohesive narrative. The timeline spans millennia, chronicling the rise and fall of both human and ape civilizations, their interactions with alien intelligence, and the cyclical nature of their struggles for survival. This timeline provides a rich, layered story that blends themes of time travel, apocalyptic events, space exploration, and the deep, often tragic, interconnectedness of all living beings.
Second generation by ai; Merging the original *Planet of the Apes* movies and TV shows with the newer *Planet of the Apes* movies, while also integrating *Oblivion* and *12 Monkeys*, creates an expansive and intricate timeline. This timeline will span centuries, involving space travel, viral pandemics, apocalyptic wars, and the rise and fall of civilizations. Here's how the events unfold: --- ### **Timeline of Events:** ### **1. Launch of Taylor’s Spaceship and Other Space Missions (1968)** - **Year: 1972** - The U.S. space agency launches the Icarus spacecraft, with Captain George Taylor and his crew on board. Their mission is a deep space exploration to find a habitable planet. During the journey, the ship encounters a time dilation effect, causing them to be lost in space and time. **Parallel Missions**: Several other space missions are launched during this period, aiming to explore the vastness of space in search of new worlds or advanced technology. **The Events of Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) lead the US government to send many ships** ### **2. Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)** - **Year: 1973** - Zira, Cornelius, and Dr. Milo, intelligent apes from the future, escape Earth’s destruction by using Taylor’s repaired spaceship. They travel back in time, landing on Earth in 1973. Their arrival sparks concern about the future dominance of apes and the potential for a global catastrophe. ### **3. Launch of the Spaceship from *Oblivion* (2013)** - **Year: 2017** - Following the ape incident, a new secretive space mission is launched. This mission involves a spaceship designed to rendezvous with an advanced alien AI known as the "Tet." The mission’s goal is to explore and potentially harness alien technology to defend Earth from future threats. ### **4. *12 Monkeys* (1995)** - **Year: 2011** - A deadly virus, the Simian Flu, begins spreading across the globe. In a dystopian future, James Cole is sent back in time to 2011 to gather information about the virus's origins and prevent the impending apocalypse. His mission becomes increasingly complex as he navigates the events leading to the collapse of human civilization. ### **5. *Rise of the Planet of the Apes* (2011)** - **Year: 2011** - Dr. Will Rodman develops ALZ-112, a drug intended to cure Alzheimer’s disease. The drug unintentionally leads to the creation of the Simian Flu and the rise of a highly intelligent ape named Caesar. The Simian Flu spreads rapidly, causing the collapse of human civilization. ### **6. *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes* (1972)** - **Year: 2020** - The surviving human population, now drastically reduced, begins to enslave apes as a labor force. Caesar, now an adult, leads a rebellion against human oppressors, igniting a war for dominance between humans and apes. ### **7. *Oblivion* (2013)** - **Year: 2077** - Many years after the rebellion, Earth is devastated by war and environmental collapse. The surviving human remnant is served by drones and clones, overseen by the alien AI Tet. Jack Harper, a drone technician, discovers the truth about the Tet and rebels against it, leading to the AI’s destruction and the freeing of humanity. ### **8. *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes* (2014)** - **Year: 2025** - A decade after the Simian Flu pandemic, humanity is on the brink of extinction, while Caesar leads a flourishing ape society. Conflict arises when a small band of human survivors encroaches on the apes’ territory, leading to a war that further cements the apes’ dominance. ### **9. Re-engineering Alien Pods and the Building of Spacecraft (2013/2001)** - **Year: 2079** - Utilizing the alien technology recovered from the Tet and the lessons from previous space missions, humans and apes collaborate to build advanced spacecraft. These new ships resemble the designs from *Planet of the Apes* (2001), capable of deep space travel and exploration, leading to the construction of a massive space station. ### **10. *War for the Planet of the Apes* (2017)** - **Year: 2032** - Caesar faces his greatest challenge yet as the apes are hunted by a rogue military faction led by the Colonel. This brutal war determines the fate of both species, with the apes ultimately prevailing and Caesar securing a future for his kind. ### **11. *Planet of the Apes* (2001)** - **Year: 2100** - Centuries after the ape wars, a human astronaut, Leo Davidson, crashes on a mysterious planet where apes rule over primitive humans. After a series of battles, Leo eventually escapes the planet, only to find Earth transformed, with apes now in control. ### **12. *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes* (2024)** - **Year: 2145** - In the far future, ape civilization has evolved into a complex society with kingdoms and factions vying for power. Humans are mostly subjugated, living in isolated pockets or serving apes. The struggle for power and survival continues as both species seek to assert their place in this new world. ### **13. *Battle for the Planet of the Apes* (1973)** - **Year: 2150** - After years of conflict, a fragile peace is established between the apes and the surviving human communities. Caesar, now an aging leader, works to maintain this peace, but internal and external threats challenge the stability of the new world order. ### **14. *Planet of the Apes* TV Show (1974)** - **Year: 2152** - The fragile peace is further tested as two astronauts, Alan Virdon and Pete Burke, crash-land on Earth in the distant future. They must navigate the complex political landscape of ape civilization while seeking a way back to their time. Their adventures reveal more about the history of Earth and the eventual downfall of humanity. ### **15. *Return to the Planet of the Apes* (1975)** - **Year: 2154** - As the astronauts continue their journey, they uncover ancient human ruins and learn more about the origins of the ape society. The conflicts between the apes and humans intensify as both sides grapple with their shared history and future. ### **16. *Planet of the Apes* (1968)** - **Year: 3978** - Taylor's spacecraft finally lands on a distant planet after centuries in space. He discovers a world dominated by apes, with humans reduced to mute, primitive beings. The shocking truth is revealed when Taylor finds the ruins of the Statue of Liberty, realizing he has been on Earth all along. ### **17. *Beneath the Planet of the Apes* (1970) and *Escape from the Planet of the Apes* (1971)** - **Year: 3980** - Following Taylor's discovery, another astronaut, Brent, arrives in search of Taylor. He discovers an underground city of mutated humans worshipping a doomsday weapon. Meanwhile, Zira, Cornelius, and the scientist discover Brent's ship on the beach and decide to escape Earth's impending doom. They manage to travel back in time, setting the stage for the earlier events in 1973. --- ### **Conclusion:** This timeline intricately merges the events of the *Planet of the Apes* movies and TV shows with *12 Monkeys* and *Oblivion*, creating a vast narrative that spans millennia. It explores the rise and fall of civilizations, the consequences of technological advancement, and the enduring struggle for dominance between humans and apes. Each chapter in this timeline builds upon the last, leading to a future where the lines between humanity and apes blur, and the ultimate fate of Earth remains uncertain.
I love the originals and I really love the new ones, but I’m not interested in an attempt to make them flow into a cohesive timeline. I think that will lead to some really predictable stories, or some stories where the plot holes will have to be so big you could drive a truck through them. In my opinion, treat this as an alternate universe type of thing. The originals were what would have happened for their world’s time and problems. The new ones are the future for this world’s time and problems. Even the Burton film could fit into that frame of reference, it’s an alternate future for an alternate timeline. Connecting them will not make the films better or necessarily even more interesting. Also it very well could explain why the different apes in the three universes look so different, although time could also technically fill that function as well.
I hope they don't. I feel about the original Apes saga the same way I feel about the original X-Men films: the characters, actors, themes and iconography are the best there are, but the movies don't work as a collective because of the contradictions and continuity mistakes.
You left out a major clue from Rise. The lost space ship is still lost. In spite of what they said during Rise, they could have put the lost ship in just in case if they can connect them. The trip back to the 1970’s would have created a new timeline thus making the current films before the original to be prequels.
They reased the Icurous lost in space in the first film. I want to see basically a modern remake of the original. That doesant end with a time loop or Taylor blowing up the Earth. But still discovering later on that they are on Earth. What if they end up in Saint Lewis and see the tip of the gateway arch sticking out of the ground and broken and dented instead of the statue of liberty.
Tbh I don’t think the idea of the reboot films being canon with the originals should be dismissed because of the origin story given in Escape. Purely on the fact that he refers to the sacred scrolls which easily could be like any historical text today. Some of the key beats could be correct but the finer details not so much. The idea that in several generations, the apes find out their whole origin is down to a human virus and hate the concept so they change the narrative to being evolution in the sacred scrolls. Would make perfect sense. I think there’s easy ways to fit the films together and perhaps Caesars name is changed by the Apes in the scrolls to Aldo to remove the human origin too. I think there’s SO much potential for the franchise to link in a real satisfying but gradual way.
yeah, basically there is only one OG. Those sequels dont count. Beneath makes no sense. Rescue mission by Brent? Escape. They pulled ship from water and launched in literal minutes? Beneath and Conquest are just filler movies. Just make an end movie that shows taylor arriving. Make them flying over monuments that are recognizable to the viewer but taylor, dodge and brent dont see it because they are still sleeping. No remake of OG.
I see a lot of continuity issues going from the original franchise to this current franchise. I just don't feel one can bridge the two as one single cannon story. I'm looking for the Icarus mission patch to show up somewhere down the line.
There was a mars mission shown on TV in Dawn and in in second movie the a news paper showed them lost . In original they were supposed to go to another solar system
Set 300 years after “War,” Ball’s “Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes” is just marking time because come 2670 A.D., the Lawgiver essentially shuts down any remaining attempts to domesticate Humans, thereby ensuring POTA’s dead-end future for Humans for the next 1300 years. One interesting thing, though: In the Sacred Scrolls, the Lawgiver did NOT call for the extermination of Man, only that he be shunned and driven back into the forests.
I want them to connect and I actually want a remake of beneath 😅. Maybe not exactly the same, but I actually liked the concept of the mutants and the worship of the nuclear bomb.
They need to be careful with how they approach the mutants because I get worried modern audiences would reject them, but I think they could find a way to make it work!
In an interview Roddy McDowall said too many people have spent so much time just trying to link each movie to the next trying to make sense in how one leads to another. He expressed that it’s not worth it with so many holes it’s like explaining Frankenstein’s comeback “…okay.” That all that mattered was the current film and whether the story here was viable and successful. Fun fact: Throughout his whole life, McDowall never even saw Beneath the Planet of the Apes. None of them were thinking in “franchise” terms because franchises weren’t a big thing. They just went along with what was needed at hand with each film. I love that Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver went a different path with the idea that there could possibly be more movies so they wanted to focus each film on their one story.
How do we know whether or not Roddy ever saw BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES? Did he say that in an interview anywhere? Citation needed.
@@patricktilton5377 Roddy McDowall said he’s never seen Beneath in his PotA interview for the behind the scenes documentary special edition. This interview was filmed in 1998 only months before he passed away. I wouldn’t put something like that in a comment and label as fact if I didn’t hear him say it himself. 😂 it’s on YT.
Also, on hindsight, the way both Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver first approached Rise was genius. I was a kid back when these cases happened in the late 2000s, but I had only just learned the tragic story of Travis the chimpanzee and the outcry that it caused in providing a serious discussion of wild animals as domestic pets, and when I read the basis of Rise, even though they didn't referred to that story specifically but other similar cases, it made me discover a whole new dimension with Rise I hadn't seen before
I’d say it’s a parallel reboot timeline to the original series. Some similar events could happen told differently from different points of views. Its parallel cause similar events could eventually happen. Another example of a contemporary reboot that parallels the original source material is the Bates Motel tv series to the original Psycho. Same thing applies here. I love that there is a bit more connective tissue in Kingdom, but this new series exists on its own without having to rely on the original series and it’s been an amazing journey with this new series as a result. Great video Josh
What these movies do so well is they tell their own contained story, while also showing small connections to the 1968 film and awesome discussion.
"Whoever controls the present, controls the past" I can see them going that route to put them together.
Its so cool that a 50 year franchise is still up and running
I've always had the mindset that the newer films are slowly working their way towards the original 1968 film for there are little nods to it in Rise as well as the others.
I'd prefer that they keep the two timlines separate.
Same
Me too
I think a simple explanation for both series to be connected is the fact that the original series takes place on the east coast of the US, and the modern series takes place on the west coast, and even hundreds if hears later transportation being on still horseback means that ape tribes on different parts of the world don't communicate with one another, the founder of the ape revolution was always Cesar, Cesar wasn't on the east coast so the apes there have formed their own explanation for how they came to be. Which is where the Arlo story comes in. Arlo was probably the first to be exposed to the virus and was the Cesar figure of the east coast tribes.
I actually like this idea! If the right writers use this concept, they could really make something great of it!
I've been viewing the new PofA as a great character study of humanity and everything that comes with this higher form of awareness and intelligence we have. So much humanity is shown in these movies, staring apes that they could really tackle so many great topics, questions, and idea's we have about our own history and existence!
Film 4 started to touch on the concept of religion. Taking a story pasted along over generations and seeing how it can evolve and morph into different interpretations depending on who's telling the story. Similarly, hundreds of miles away, a similar origin story takes place.. A different ape on the other side of the country says "No".. So many of the religions we have today have such similar origins stories that it seems like they might have come from one big telephone game told century after century that made it's why all over the world!
I want to keep diving into this comment and rambling, but I'm going to stop here.. The bottom line is: I love it 🐒🐒
I agree they are currently not linked to the originals. I also love the sequels and prefer your take on it as far as leaving them separate timelines going forward. Great stuff!
It’s definitely a reboot/remake, there’s so many contrasts!
Agreed!
So happy to have found a PotA community!
Welcome aboard!!
The idea that folklore of an ape named Aldo will be invented by "the lawgiver" ape is a great angle. That the future apes lose the historical facts surrounding Ceasar and then invent their own origin story for the "sacred scrolls".
It would certainly help to answer Taylor's question in the first film: "How in hell did this upside-down civilization get started?"
They planted that whole concept alone with the introduction of Proximus and his distortion of Caesars ideologies. Who knows how other apes will twist the history 2000 years after everything already happened.
It seems people ignore that the original movies are specifically time stamped onscreen beginning with Heston’s opening monologue… the ship clocks reveal the launch date year as 1972… Escape From the Planet of the Apes takes place in 1973…. Conquest takes place in 1991, it’s right there onscreen…so you can’t link these movies unless you bring in some Multiverse shit (please don’t bring in Multiverse shit….)
Ironically, the humans represent the biggest obstacles to linking the 20th century POTA films with those filmed in the 21st. How do you explain the advanced space technology (sleeper ships) being used in 1972 when this technology doesn't even exist today? How do you reconcile the totalitarian and later dystopian North American human societies seen in Conquest and Battle when those did not exist in the 1990s or 2000s in the new films? Also, if human society is basically decimated in the 2010s (according to the new films), who creates the Alpha and Omega bomb?
It would be very interesting to see a reimagining of the ‘68 version, but from the perspective of the apes. They learn what exactly happened between the apes and civilized humans, but now we have an ape and a human who want the same thing for the same reasons.
I think the reboots should be their own story. They're doing such a great job with it and I think connecting them to the original series will be a mistake.
The Matt Reeves films in particular are exceptional!
How would it be a mistake? The reboots are the perfect origin for how the planet become the way it did in the original movie.
@@KenMasters-w9z I think they work better as their own story. I love the 1968 film and definitely have a soft spot for "Escape", but the reboot series feels like a different take on a great story and it works as its own separate timeline IMO.
I just hope there won’t be any mutants in the new Planet of The Apes movies because it is dumb and it almost ruined the original franchise when Beneath of The Planet Apes came out which it became a terrible movie.
@@nomadictimbo9185 another thing too is that since the newer films are so disconnected from the original series with their own lore and world building details, it would take a tremendous amount of time for the film makers to try and time both sagas together to make them make sense. Essentially it would just be a huge waste of time and should be avoided. The newer films are great doing their own thing with their story while having some references to the original films here and there
@@Spongebrain97 totally agree
I think the reboot should be separate from the main films. Not only that the continuity just doesn't add up (i.e. the Nuclear War message, the evolution of the apes in the originals, and the Ship Time being 1972 which I think is very important if they wanted to keep the original film as the only one.) It would be very interesting to have the world that the Astronauts crashing into the Reboot world and doing it's own thing instead of trying to force it into the original when there is too many things that wouldn't really add up. Then again, I always thought the Original series was mostly a time loop with the apes escaping Earth into the past and causing the Ape uprising, and later humanity's downfall.
I think it could get quite convoluted if both timelines end up connecting. There's no denying that for the Caesarverse, we might get to see the next evolution of the apes into a functioning techonlogical society akin to the original movies, but in a question that both Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver pondered up in a interview with Film Speak was this: "Do we want to rush toward an ending, or do we want to find an interesting story to tell with interesting characters?"
That right there can tell you everything about where they want the Caesarverse to go, and its to be its own thing and explore new ideas and characters. And to me, I'll take that any day of the week over the risk of a multiverse story. Great video, my friend!
I personally consider the original films and the recent films to be different timelines. Conquest and Rise are essentially the same, just the latter sets up a more grounded world for the apes and both are different in terms of what happens in each film, setting up how the apes eventually take over.
The problem is that Escape and the proceeding films in the original continuity depict via time travel events that happen BEFORE Rise which clearly shows radical differences in the timeline including a completely different origin for Caesar, so it simply can’t be made to connect.
I prefer the idea where they only connect to the original 1968 movie and nothing else. I can see the Kingdom trilogy ending in a nuclear war, then at the very end before the credits we skip a couple thousand years and we see Taylor’s ship arriving, I think this would be the perfect ending.
yeah I wouldnt mind looking at the film differently ala Rogue One- Star Wars:A New Hope also what actor could replace Charlton Heston in this in Age id also have an issue with them recasting Taylor as a female or race swapping him.
@@JBTriple8cry bitch he’s gonna be black
@@JBTriple8they would definitely recast him as a female 😅😅
Would love to see a reimagining of the original in this rebooted universe.
I was thinking the same. A sequel later on down the line in this series as a reimagining of the 1968 film but with the story told a little differently like instead the astronauts that were sent into space and then went missing in Rise could return hundreds and hundreds of years later to find the earth mostly inhabited by intelligent apes but this time they could rehash the story from Escape where now the apes are at first welcoming of the new human visitors to their world and want to learn more about them but just like in Escape the apes could eventually grow fearful of these mysterious new humans and then like in Escape the humans may eventually overstay their welcome with the apes with the humans then going on the run from the apes.
There is another issue, in rise there is a scene of a broadcast about the icarus mission, implying that they left earth recently, contrary to the original where taylor left earth in the 70s
That's another great point! I completely overlooked that honestly, but I think it could still easily be included and retconned someway to fit into the OG timeline. Not that I would want them to, but I think it can be done.
I agree - it's a new continuity but telling the same essential story, and could lead to a "re-telling" of the original
Its a reboot that actually cares about the source material. Just enjoy the ride...dont overthink it
I’d like the reboot to be separate from the originals and to tell its own story’s ending. If it has to tie into the originals them to put its own unique spin on things that’s the two options i’d like to pick from personally speaking. Take care 😘🏴 #Apes Together Strong ❤ #Caesar Never Forgotten ❤💔😭🤧 ❤ #Team Noa ❤
I say reboot it works on its own
keep the writing good
I believe having a reimagined version of the original films is the way to go.
They will definitely connect it to the original movies. Noa and Noah were looking at the sky when they saw the spaceship from the 1968 movie in the Kingdom movie. So we will finaly see modern look of dr zaius, zira and cornelius.
That was definitely not the ship that they were looking at in Kingdom, but maybe they'll connect later on!
Reboot timeline takes inspiration from the originals with nods, and it's even clear they're slowly working towards their version of astronauts landing on a PotA in this timeline. However, beyond light-hearted fan-canon I'd hate any serious attempt to say they're "prequels" to the original movie. To me, it's clear they're two different timelines with different backstories for the human race's downfall (i.e. nuclear war vs. unintentional human-made virus). Not to mention, the apes in the original are basically humanoid whereas in the reboot timeline they look more like their real-life Ape counterparts, so it doesn't even match in that regard. So, yeah, I think they should just let the reboot timeline, which most fans already love, stand on its own instead of trying to shoehorn into the original movie.
I completely agree
It would be bold and risky, but I would legitimately want a remake of the original, set in this timeline but the gimmick is that actors who’ve played apes play the humans. Toby Kebbel or Andy Serkis as Taylor. Actors who’ve played humans play the apes. John Lithgow or Brian Cox as Dr Zaius
I would love that idea!
I'm firmly in the 'keep them separate' camp.
The problem with the Aldo line in Escape is that it completely contradicts the '68 film in which, except for a select few, apes had no idea of the actual history.
If they do connect, I personally think it will only connect to the original first film, and ignore everything from Beneath to Battle For.
I think Escape is how the timeline resets. They can connect to the original and Beneath then the timeline resets again.
The thing is when cornelius talks about aldo he is talking about the first timeline
Cornelius was making up the stuff about Also on the spot. He said it was commemorated by the apes and in the sacred scrolls. We know from watching the first movie
That the sacred scrolls say
Nothing of the sort
They didn't acknowledge that apes were even
Ruled by humans. Zaius went to great lengths to k
That from becoming public knowledge. @@nex_ialist06
or Aldos name couldve used for Caesar instead
@@nex_ialist06 Cornelius got the first ape(being aldo)from the sacred scrolls which in reality we all know history gets lost or twisted through Time like with Religion.
We already saw in Kingdom that Caesar was held down as a religious figure to some,maybe his name got lost through out the years
The original Ceasar wasn't a lab ape. Leave them separate.
What I love about the original films is that they get slightly lower quality over tine, the stories are insane and completely ridiculous and bro time travel
The reason I love this is that it gives any new movies that are made the freedom to try things if they want to. This is a franchise that can live a long time due to the, well, almost «modular» nature of its earlier films
One thing is for sure...The Icurus (spelling?) is seen launching on TV in RISE. That will always appear as if that's where the new series of films is going.
I think these set of movies connecting to the original are about as likely as the first class x men movies connecting to the og ones lol.
It is an interesting concept that the original are connected to the newer version. We can see that History is mostly parts from winning sides and we had and have manuscripts to tell it. When a civilization mostly have oral and tradition as an History, it can fade away with time passes and it is some version of the actual fact, distorted that remains. So, they could have took some elements of the lore and twist them in their vision.
I always thought rise led up to the 68 one but only that one and not the sequels like in my head cannon the trilogy took place before that one movie like the events of the 68 one could still take place.
In the original movies, the apes' story changed when Zira and Cornelius time traveled to the past. It went from Aldo leading the apes to Caesar taking the lead.
So theoreticaaly, you could connect every new series of films by saying that it always ends up with surviving humans destroying Earth with a final bomb but 3 apes also always managing to go back in time... but to different times in the past: the 70s, another time the 2000, 2010, ...
You got an inevitable fate story + you can tell something new
It's all headcanon tier thinking but yeah that's the first thing that came to my mind right now
I agree with the idea of leading ultimately to a remake of the original
Tim Burton's "Apes' movie IMO was a stand alone story, albeit the only movie in the franchise to remain true to the Pierre Boulle novel ending. It was 'Battle for...' which set the tone in the original series for the 2,000 year span of time to anticipate when Taylor's spaceship would crash. Deleted scenes involving the Alpha-Omega bomb in 'Battle' indicated the original series was intended to continue onward. Eventually linking that same bomb to Earth's destruction in 'Beneath...'. I've always scratched my head as to how Cornelius, Zira and Dr. Milo were able to get airborne in Taylor's spacecraft from the shockwave of a nuclear blast? Or was the spacecraft still in the water and they time-travelled that way? There is a void of time between the ending of 'Planet' and the beginning of 'Beneath' which would have to give Cornelius and Dr. Milo time to resurrect Taylors spacecraft. For me those are the only missing pieces from the original storyline. I believe both series will meet to form one continuous circle with the arrival of Taylor two or three movies from now.
That is why I like the movie Oblivion.
That movie works as a reason for the terrain to change in the New York State area, to look like the original Planet of the Apes movie.
The moon is even destroyed, like in the original movie
Cities get buried under rock, like the original movies
The Tim Burton movie can even be a crossover into how Apes evolved from the 4 new ones into the more evolved old ones.
Plus, the pods in Oblivion could be humans taking the technology from Oblivion to re-engineering them into the pods in the Burton movie pods.
In my opinion, and specific, I suggest the modern trilogy and kingdom because it has technology, CGI, VFX, and everything else. Matt reeves did an incredible job and directed all three films. I didn't see the original movie and the TV show in the 60s at all.
If memory serves me correctly. Rise was supposed to be a prequel to the original, but it contradicted the timeline. So they rebooted the second movie to tell this new story. However, the connection is still there just not from 1972 but more 2010's. So if they were to do it. It would be a remake in a rebooted timeline.. And there's a video about how the Tim Burton movie works until the series. Y'all should check it out.
I think they can eventually link to Heston and beyond. As was said, with Kingdom, they started changing Caesar's story to fit Proximus' beliefs. This is part of history and history is written by the winners, so Proximus was the winner at the start of the movie and was writing history to fit his place in it. So eventually there is likely to be "aldo" who was really caesar but the writer of the sacred scroll choses Aldo perhaps Aldo is an ancestor of the ape leader the sacred scroll writer is trying to gain favor with. History is written by the winners. So the sacred scrolls could also have been written by the winner leader of ape society generations prior because you see how the orangutans are starting with Kingdom to be intellectuals and historians. Just a thought... history messes up the past to suit the present...
You could link them with a few lines of clever dialog in future movies. Keep the timelines seperate, no multiverse. The same or similar events happen in all timelines with just a few variables.
I think we will get a version of the 60’s characters. The space shuttle eater egg in Rise says there’s astronauts in space on a mission.
I think connecting them all together would result in the most epic movie franchise in history. They could absolutely manipulate and alter the past a little at time in each of the following films. Caesar is almost forgotten totally in Kingdoms time, it wouldn't take long for apes to reimagine their entire history. Think about the ape world, the apes are wrong about nearly everything. Flight is impossible, Apes evolved from men, evolution is heresy. So many of their ideas are so wrong, why would we accept their own origin story or their story of what humans did as solid fact when everything else they say is so wrong?
Theory for you. Icarus launch in 1972, 3 chimps return to past Earth in 1973. Causing the timeline to diverge. In timeline 1 Cornelius relates to Hasslein the Aldo origin story. But the Dog and Cat wipeout caused by chimps return shifts the timeline onto track 2 where Caesar takes Aldo ‘s role. The reimagined role of Caesar in the newer films segues into Noa becoming the Lawgiver and the author of the sacred scrolls. Final punch up between surviving humans and the ascendant apes leads to the nuclear devastation shown in first 2 films. Thus neatly bringing the timeline back onto track 1 for the Icarus to crash. The mutants are the survivors of the California base who end up in destroyed New York. There maybe logic holes in this, but hey it’s Hollywood.
Definitely some plot holes, but I think that would be a solid way to make it all work, nice job!
Thank you very much.
There's also the possibility that we end this series with more time travel, leading to a second timeline which we could assume leads to the original and beneath, which then leads to the final timeline of escape, conquest, battle.
When the first film in this series was released, it was always my hope that the franchise would wrap around to a retelling of POTA 67. Especially when the news footage told of the lost spaceship. I still have that hope, but if the powers that be decide against it... I'm cool with that too.
Whatever they do, I trust them
Great video
I've been thinking the 1968 one is the only cannon one from the old ones when i was watching the new ones. They line up
I think it’s set in two different universes
@@spiderzilla2832 same universe different timelines
I love how open ended all these movies are. U can still watch these movies and get a good idea of how the the apes in the original series came to be.
100% agree!
Even in the original five films the Apes take over before any nuclear war happens, at least in the timeline viewed in Conquest (if you don't treat it as a time loop).
13:43 - Or Texas Chainsaw Massacre... or Highlander
I absolutely loathe the "requel" trend🤦♂️
I think it's a great idea in theory, it just hasn't been executed well for the most part
I am soo glad i saw Charlton Heston and those other Apes movies. Because, thesr new movie about Ape are alright.
I always viewed the new films taking place in a separate timeline from the original. I do think it's possible they could take it to a world that looks similar to what we see in original series, I do think it's very possible that by the end of this new Wes Ball trilogy we see a nuclear war. Another thing that separates the original from the new series is the Icarus launched in 1972, while in "Rise" we seen the Icarus launched in the 2010s. I don't want them to connect the two series but that's my personal preference. While the sequels were botched up I do cherish them & enjoy them, I wouldn't want them removed from canon to connect the new films.
Maybe the could do a continuation/ reboot. Think back to Rise when the spaceship went missing I think it was Icarus. Maybe it comes back later after Kingdom like 100 more years or so. Maybe it got stuck in a time loop or something lol
One issue in tying the original film to the new movies is that the Icarus in Rise was a Mars mission that disappeared at the red planet. The Icarus in the original film was an interstellar spacecraft. As far as the nuclear war is concerned the new movies only seems to show a relatively small part of the western United States. Maybe nuclear war broke out during the chaos of the simian flu and places like New York got nuked whilst leaving most of the west coast area untouched.
I really like the idea of only making the original 68 cannon to the new movies. I also really like the idea of remaking the original movies but from the perspective of the apes which is an idea that others have had.
Anytime I talk to someone about the new films that arent familiar with the originals they just call them prequels. And I think as is that can totally work as prequels. Theres obviously gaps missing, but seeing as how wes ball seems to be a super POTA fan, i think your theory that newer films, if connected to the originals, are gonna sort of erase caesar from ape history. I like to view them as an alternate timeline tho. I like the idea of multiple planet of the apes timelines coexisting. I also wanna see sort of a remake of the original film with a new take on it. But I think if they try to connect everything it could work.
Long comment coming, so bear with me.
I always saw the new movies as a reboot, but would be open to the idea of them being prequels. I think the biggest issue is the fact that in the original sequels it’s said that apes came to power after being turned into pets/saves, and they actually showed that. It’d be hard to get around that, and be a massive retcon. If we get a Noa trilogy I predict the third film will end with the humans launching the nukes to try, and eradicate the apes, and the apes creating the sacred scrolls. Honestly I think after the third trilogy they do a reimagining of the OG film from the apes perspective.
Would you maybe do a video of who you think should play Taylor, Cornelius, zira, and Dr. Zaius if they ever did a reimagining of the OG film today?
That is actually something I have been wanting to do and have a fan casting video planned for it!
I think the new films will eventually connect to the original series and it will actually work out just fine. First, note that Taylor just assumes that nuclear war has happened. But that is just his assumption. While such war might account for the wasteland or human depopulation, it does not account for the humans devolving and becoming mute. I think the status of the humans in the original films confirms the existence of the virus. Second, the "Aldo" story told in Escape is already a retcon because the whole point of the first film is that the apes don't know that humans were once the dominate species. They ares shocked by a talking human since to them humans are just animals that cannot be domesticated. And yet we suddenly have this Aldo character that is also retconned in Conquest to be replaced by that version of Ceaser. The story is so fluid that it allows for changes to be made. I think the new films are what "really happened" and then later on we get the original series of movies that lead to the story being changed through time travel.
One issue I’ve seen is that the original films contradict each other in some instances. Case in point, in Escape Cornelius tells about how the apes were held as slaves and Aldo’s rebelling is known by all apes, but in the first film Dr. Zaius is adamant about selling the history that apes have always been superior to humans. That’s always bothered me a bit. Still, I love these films.
@@sbk123411 Aldo was a made up version of the truth,Caesar was always the one to rise and lead the apes
One detail you didn't mention that I find to be irrefutable proof these are different timelines is that in the beginning of the original Planet of the Apes we are shown the date Taylor's ship left Earth, and of course in Rise the ship being reported missing is much later on. The idea of this series connecting back to that original movie would only be as a remake of that story.
I think it's possible that multiple ships could have been lost in space throughout history, so both Taylor's in the 70s and then the astronauts in 2011, but yeah it's definitely a big contradiction.
Honestly, since it is a different Continuity, i feel they really shouldent connect too much, what i would like to see them do is have the apes reach a civilization similar to the one in the Original Novel or Rod serlings draft of the movie which was later turned into the comic Planet of the Apes visionaries, with the Apes having an advanced morden style society or something close, with cars, helicopters, television, full on clothes and so on, they dident go with the concept in 1968 because they lacked the budget to realize it, but it shouldent be a problem Now.
I'd like to see the rise timeline create it's own ending but then you can watch the original POTA if you want a different ending/ continuation amd choose different type of endings
"Keep them separate"
I don't believe disregarding the sequels is really possible because the origins of these two timelines are too far apart at the most basic level. Both stories must be told but not to the point of re-writing the other's history. It would be intriguing to know what Pierre Boulle thought about this but sadly that's not possible. Some really interesting thoughts nonetheless, appreciate ya!
When rise came out. I thought it was a prequel to the Mark Wahlberg movie.
Lowkey think it would be cool if Rokka was a descendant of Dr Zaius and we get a film where we find out he survived Kingdom to spread the word of Ceasar. We could also get the origin of the Forbidden Zone being related to Mae’s people trying to invade Earth and therefore putting Rokka and his relatives off of humans; hence Zaius’s attitudes towards humans in the og story.
Ancestor not descendant haha sorry
Idk about being related to Zaius, but I definitely believe he's still alive
IMO this new potential trilogy is already setting up the og film starting with Kingdom, they said they wanted to make 9 films back in 2011 though. I think whatever the final trilogy is will end with or include a remake in some form
Dr. Otto Hasslein would have to be a "time traveler" or "Time Lord" in order to connect to the Original Series to the New PLANET OF THE APES Movies. A time travel causality loop.
Said the same on Instagram but hey, for the algorithm! 😂
Personal opinion, I don't like the idea of making the movies line up with the original, I would preffer this New movies to stand on their own, do their own thing. Also I agree with some of your points, the events that lead to the rise of the apes are so different! It doesn't make sense to try and force the them together, the two timelines are too far apart, however I think a remake of the original movie in this new timeline would be better, if anything.
Erasing Caesar's story from Ape history sounds sacrilegious, I hope they don't do that 😂😂 Caesar is way too loved by the fans, but I understand how it could work.
I believe that all the sequels to RISE OF APES are remakes of the old sequels- BENEATH CONQUESTS etc to one extent or another.
you have a good point but i think this new trilogy will end with a new timeline my reasoning being is becuse they show no atomic bomb so that mean there reason why mutant would exist but who know i might be wrong we got 2 movie left and it might end with both the human and ape fighting in new york and that where they find an atomic bomb
Is it any surprise Ape Nation offers us the best UA-cam video on the Great Ape Timeline Kerfuffle? I think not. Terrific take all around.
I think Matt Reeves said it best during the War blu ray commentary - the 1968 original is a kind of "spiritual" sequel to the new series, obviously not a literal one. My main obstacle to tying it altogether in a ... well, still untidy bow would mean it would have to lead to Beneath, and we all know how I feel about Beneath. I even vastly prefer Battle now that I've gone back and rewatched. I'm one of the ones who hated the last half of Beneath as much as the first. Hated the mutants - though I think they could do all kinds of far more interesting things with them in the Caesar timeline. And the ending was just awful. Just kill everyone, seriously? If you remember the Unofficial Oral History of Apes you know I'm not alone. It was very creatively arbitrary. This version really needs to end with some kind of vague, even iffy and remote hope thst Ape and Human can exist together.
But your ideas about how it could all potentially loop together are nonetheless the best I've heard. The distortion of history and all that. But of course, there are so many things in the OG series that contradict themselves even.
Still, if we have to tread that route, I do think having the 1968 OG being the definitive "canon" (he he) end to all this and none of the others could work, and possibly be even cool and poetic. I always half assumed that's what Wes Ball meant when he talks about these films ending with Taylor and company crashing back on Earth. I just needed someone to articulate it. Anyway, solid thoughts and analysis.
Keep aping out, my friend.
One thing that also doesn’t line up is the dates, which could be solved with a floating timeline. The same events happened, just at a later date.
If the new films are a reboot, and do not intend to connect to the original film, then I hope that at some point, we get to see the character of Taylor presented in a future film, as a salute to Charlton Heston, given that without his being cast in the lead role of the original and the strong performance he gave, this genre may not have become as popular as it has become.
Idk if we'll ever get "Taylor" per say, but a new character that's meant to represent him is definitely possible.
My guess is, if the plan works out, the original POTA is going to stretched out across the next trilogy.(the last 3 films of this 9 film series plan)
Ohhh I never thought about them turning one movie into a trilogy, but could be!
What if the timeline is that after like 9 movies it leads up to the original planet of the apes and beneath but with escape, Cornelius, Zira and dr milo going back in time to create an alternate timeline that changes the events of how the apes take over
Before I watched all the Apes films (Minus Burtons) I thought maybe both series could connect. But after watched the original 5 there's no way. Unless they utilize the timeloop paradoxical nature of the old films. I'd love to see it that way. Events play out again and again but never the same
I think there are ways they could make it work! I'd just prefer if they didn't.
@@Ape-Nation I agree regardless of how they could do it. They work so well as their own series.
Something that comes to mind is that these movies, while being sci-fi stories, are being created by regular film making teams. They aren't comicbook writers who can easily retcon the whole universe like what Marvel and DC have done many times. I couldn't imagine Wes Ball and Matt Reeves sitting down and coming up with a reason to connect the newer films to the original series without having to break up the world building and lore that they created.
It sounds like that would be too time consuming trying to patch up contradictions and retroactively make up changes when making their own spin on the Planet of the Apes premise has been successful being it's own continuity which has references to the original series. Wes Ball could eventually do a "remake" or "reimagining" of the 68 film with astronauts landing on Earth, that would be fine, but it would still fundamentally be a different story and not the same as the original film
Chatgpt can connect the continuity
I said: Write a timelime merging the original Planet of the apes movies and tv shows to fit continuously with the new Planet of the apes movies. Include the movie Oblivion and the movie 12 monkeys in the timeline continuity. Place the continuity in this order of events, please;
1. Launch of Taylor's spaceship from Planet of the Apes (1968), and other spaceships by space agency. 2. Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)
3. Launch of the spaceship from the movie Oblivion (2013) to meet the alien ai in space.
4. 12 Monkeys (1995)
5. Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011)
6. Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
7. Oblivion (2013)
8. Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014)
9. Using the re-engineering of the alien ship pods from Oblivion (2013), humans and apes build a spacestation and spaceship pods from Planet of the Apes (2001)
10. War for the Planet of the Apes (2017)
11. Planet of the Apes (2001)
12. Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024)
13. Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973)
14. Planet of the Apes TV show (1974)
What ChatGPT came up with below;
Creating a comprehensive timeline that 3-5 3 merges the original *Planet of the Apes* movies, TV shows, the new *Planet of the Apes* movies, *Oblivion* (2013), and *12 Monkeys* (1995) is an ambitious task. The timeline needs to accommodate various sci-fi elements such as time travel, space exploration, apocalyptic events, and the rise of both apes and artificial intelligence. Here’s how these stories could fit together in a continuous narrative:
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### **20th and Early 21st Century: The Dawn of Space Exploration and Viral Pandemics**
#### **1968: Launch of Taylor's Spaceship**
- **Event**: In the late 1960s, astronaut George Taylor and his crew are launched into space on a deep-space mission aboard the Icarus. The goal of the mission is to explore uncharted regions of space, with the hope of finding new habitable worlds. This marks one of several manned missions launched by Earth's space agency during this era.
#### **1971: Launch of Other Space Missions**
- **Event**: Following Taylor's mission, additional spacecraft are launched as part of humanity’s increasing ambition to colonize space. These missions are seen as a way to secure humanity’s future in the face of growing tensions on Earth.
#### **1971: *Escape from the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: After the events of *Beneath the Planet of the Apes*, Cornelius, Zira, and Dr. Milo, three intelligent apes from the future, escape the destruction of Earth by repairing and using Brent's spacecraft laying on the beach. They are hurled back in time to the year 1971, landing on Earth in the present day. Their arrival causes a major stir as they reveal the future fate of humanity.
### **Early to Mid-21st Century: The Rise of the Apes and the Decline of Humanity**
#### **2013: Launch of the Odyssey Mission (*Oblivion*)**
- **Event**: In the mid-21st century, humanity launches the Odyssey mission, a deep-space expedition designed to investigate a mysterious alien AI signal detected beyond the Jupiter's orbit. The spaceship, piloted by Jack Harper and his crew, leaves Earth with hopes of making first contact with extraterrestrial intelligence. This mission inadvertently sets off a chain of events that will have profound consequences for Earth’s future.
#### **2011: *Rise of the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: Dr. Will Rodman’s experiments with ALZ-112 unintentionally lead to the creation of the Simian Flu, which grants enhanced intelligence to apes while proving deadly to humans. Caesar or Aido, the first of the intelligent apes, leads his kind to freedom as humanity begins to crumble under the weight of the pandemic.
#### **2011-2013: *12 Monkeys* and the Rise of the Simian Flu**
- **Event**: Around this time, a pandemic caused by the Simian Flu devastates humanity. The virus, initially created as part of the ALZ-112 trials in *Rise of the Planet of the Apes* (2011), spreads rapidly, leading to widespread societal collapse. Simultaneously, the events of *12 Monkeys* unfold, with James Cole being sent back in time to prevent the viral outbreak, but his efforts are ultimately unsuccessful. The pandemic weakens humanity, setting the stage for the apes' rise to power.
#### **2020s: *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: In the aftermath of the Simian Flu, apes, now led by Caesar, begin to organize and resist their human oppressors. *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes* sees the apes rise up against their human masters, establishing the early stages of their dominance.
### **Mid to Late 21st Century: Alien Intervention and Final Human-Ape Conflict**
#### **2077: *Oblivion***
- **Event**: Decades after the launch of the Odyssey mission, Jack Harper returns to a ruined Earth, unaware that his mission and memories have been manipulated by the alien AI, the Tet. He discovers that the planet has been devastated by a war with the Tet and that the remaining human population is in hiding. The Tet's presence on Earth leads to a final showdown, with Jack ultimately destroying the AI, saving the remnants of humanity, and paving the way for a new future.
#### **2028-2030: *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: As human civilization continues to decline, tensions rise between the surviving human communities and the growing ape nation. Caesar struggles to maintain peace, but hostilities inevitably lead to conflict, further weakening humanity and solidifying the apes' dominance.
#### **Late 21st Century: Re-Engineering Alien Technology**
- **Event**: Using remnants of the alien technology from the Tet, humans and apes work together to build a new space station and advanced spacecraft. This marks the beginning of a new era of exploration and defense, with humanity and apes both aware of the dangers lurking in deep space. These developments lead to the construction of the spaceship pods seen in *Planet of the Apes* (2001).
### **22nd Century: The Final Battles and the Fate of Earth**
#### **2040s-2060s: *War for the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: As tensions between apes and humans reach a boiling point, a final, devastating war erupts. Caesar leads the apes to victory, but at great personal cost. This war cements the apes' rule over Earth, leaving the few surviving humans to live in isolated, primitive conditions.
#### **2070s: *Planet of the Apes* (2001)**
- **Event**: In the early 22nd century, a human astronaut named Leo Davidson crash-lands on a planet where apes rule and humans are enslaved. Unknown to him, this planet is Earth, where the events of the previous centuries have led to a complete reversal of the species’ roles. This film reimagines the classic story with new twists but ultimately fits within the same timeline of apes’ ascension.
#### **2090s: *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: The Kingdom of the Apes represents the height of ape civilization. With humans largely reduced to subservience, the apes have built vast cities and advanced their society. However, internal power struggles and the lingering presence of human resistance groups threaten to destabilize this new world order.
#### **2100s: *Battle for the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: As the ape civilization matures, internal conflicts between different factions-particularly between Caesar’s descendants and the more militant gorillas-lead to a climactic battle. This marks the beginning of the slow decline of the ape civilization, setting the stage for the events to come.
### **23rd Century: The Decline of Civilization and the Search for a New Future**
#### **2300s: *Planet of the Apes* TV Show (1974)**
- **Event**: Centuries after the apes' rise to power, scattered human tribes still exist, often in conflict with ape rulers. The television series explores the lives of humans and apes struggling to coexist in a world that has long forgotten its origins.
#### **2500s: *Return to the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: The animated series depicts a future where apes have developed advanced technology, including a militaristic society. Human astronauts from a future Earth encounter this world, leading to new conflicts and a rediscovery of lost knowledge.
### **Far Future: The End of the Ape-Human Struggle**
#### **3955: *Planet of the Apes* (1968)**
- **Event**: Taylor’s spaceship, having traveled through time due to the effects of relativity, crash-lands on a planet that appears alien but is later revealed to be Earth. He discovers that apes rule this world, and humans have become mute and primitive. The remnants of the past are buried under centuries of apes' dominance.
#### **3955: *Beneath the Planet of the Apes***
- **Event**: The events of *Beneath the Planet of the Apes* occur simultaneously with Taylor's exploration. Brent, another astronaut, arrives on Earth and discovers the remains of human civilization beneath the surface, including a mutant race worshiping a doomsday weapon. Zira, Cornelius, and Dr. Milo also find Brent’s spaceship washed up on the beach, setting up their eventual escape in *Escape from the Planet of the Apes*.
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### **Conclusion**
This timeline integrates the original *Planet of the Apes* films, the new trilogy, *Oblivion* (2013), and *12 Monkeys* (1995) into a single cohesive narrative. The timeline spans millennia, chronicling the rise and fall of both human and ape civilizations, their interactions with alien intelligence, and the cyclical nature of their struggles for survival. This timeline provides a rich, layered story that blends themes of time travel, apocalyptic events, space exploration, and the deep, often tragic, interconnectedness of all living beings.
Second generation by ai;
Merging the original *Planet of the Apes* movies and TV shows with the newer *Planet of the Apes* movies, while also integrating *Oblivion* and *12 Monkeys*, creates an expansive and intricate timeline. This timeline will span centuries, involving space travel, viral pandemics, apocalyptic wars, and the rise and fall of civilizations. Here's how the events unfold:
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### **Timeline of Events:**
### **1. Launch of Taylor’s Spaceship and Other Space Missions (1968)**
- **Year: 1972**
- The U.S. space agency launches the Icarus spacecraft, with Captain George Taylor and his crew on board. Their mission is a deep space exploration to find a habitable planet. During the journey, the ship encounters a time dilation effect, causing them to be lost in space and time.
**Parallel Missions**: Several other space missions are launched during this period, aiming to explore the vastness of space in search of new worlds or advanced technology.
**The Events of Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) lead the US government to send many ships**
### **2. Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)**
- **Year: 1973**
- Zira, Cornelius, and Dr. Milo, intelligent apes from the future, escape Earth’s destruction by using Taylor’s repaired spaceship. They travel back in time, landing on Earth in 1973. Their arrival sparks concern about the future dominance of apes and the potential for a global catastrophe.
### **3. Launch of the Spaceship from *Oblivion* (2013)**
- **Year: 2017**
- Following the ape incident, a new secretive space mission is launched. This mission involves a spaceship designed to rendezvous with an advanced alien AI known as the "Tet." The mission’s goal is to explore and potentially harness alien technology to defend Earth from future threats.
### **4. *12 Monkeys* (1995)**
- **Year: 2011**
- A deadly virus, the Simian Flu, begins spreading across the globe. In a dystopian future, James Cole is sent back in time to 2011 to gather information about the virus's origins and prevent the impending apocalypse. His mission becomes increasingly complex as he navigates the events leading to the collapse of human civilization.
### **5. *Rise of the Planet of the Apes* (2011)**
- **Year: 2011**
- Dr. Will Rodman develops ALZ-112, a drug intended to cure Alzheimer’s disease. The drug unintentionally leads to the creation of the Simian Flu and the rise of a highly intelligent ape named Caesar. The Simian Flu spreads rapidly, causing the collapse of human civilization.
### **6. *Conquest of the Planet of the Apes* (1972)**
- **Year: 2020**
- The surviving human population, now drastically reduced, begins to enslave apes as a labor force. Caesar, now an adult, leads a rebellion against human oppressors, igniting a war for dominance between humans and apes.
### **7. *Oblivion* (2013)**
- **Year: 2077**
- Many years after the rebellion, Earth is devastated by war and environmental collapse. The surviving human remnant is served by drones and clones, overseen by the alien AI Tet. Jack Harper, a drone technician, discovers the truth about the Tet and rebels against it, leading to the AI’s destruction and the freeing of humanity.
### **8. *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes* (2014)**
- **Year: 2025**
- A decade after the Simian Flu pandemic, humanity is on the brink of extinction, while Caesar leads a flourishing ape society. Conflict arises when a small band of human survivors encroaches on the apes’ territory, leading to a war that further cements the apes’ dominance.
### **9. Re-engineering Alien Pods and the Building of Spacecraft (2013/2001)**
- **Year: 2079**
- Utilizing the alien technology recovered from the Tet and the lessons from previous space missions, humans and apes collaborate to build advanced spacecraft. These new ships resemble the designs from *Planet of the Apes* (2001), capable of deep space travel and exploration, leading to the construction of a massive space station.
### **10. *War for the Planet of the Apes* (2017)**
- **Year: 2032**
- Caesar faces his greatest challenge yet as the apes are hunted by a rogue military faction led by the Colonel. This brutal war determines the fate of both species, with the apes ultimately prevailing and Caesar securing a future for his kind.
### **11. *Planet of the Apes* (2001)**
- **Year: 2100**
- Centuries after the ape wars, a human astronaut, Leo Davidson, crashes on a mysterious planet where apes rule over primitive humans. After a series of battles, Leo eventually escapes the planet, only to find Earth transformed, with apes now in control.
### **12. *Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes* (2024)**
- **Year: 2145**
- In the far future, ape civilization has evolved into a complex society with kingdoms and factions vying for power. Humans are mostly subjugated, living in isolated pockets or serving apes. The struggle for power and survival continues as both species seek to assert their place in this new world.
### **13. *Battle for the Planet of the Apes* (1973)**
- **Year: 2150**
- After years of conflict, a fragile peace is established between the apes and the surviving human communities. Caesar, now an aging leader, works to maintain this peace, but internal and external threats challenge the stability of the new world order.
### **14. *Planet of the Apes* TV Show (1974)**
- **Year: 2152**
- The fragile peace is further tested as two astronauts, Alan Virdon and Pete Burke, crash-land on Earth in the distant future. They must navigate the complex political landscape of ape civilization while seeking a way back to their time. Their adventures reveal more about the history of Earth and the eventual downfall of humanity.
### **15. *Return to the Planet of the Apes* (1975)**
- **Year: 2154**
- As the astronauts continue their journey, they uncover ancient human ruins and learn more about the origins of the ape society. The conflicts between the apes and humans intensify as both sides grapple with their shared history and future.
### **16. *Planet of the Apes* (1968)**
- **Year: 3978**
- Taylor's spacecraft finally lands on a distant planet after centuries in space. He discovers a world dominated by apes, with humans reduced to mute, primitive beings. The shocking truth is revealed when Taylor finds the ruins of the Statue of Liberty, realizing he has been on Earth all along.
### **17. *Beneath the Planet of the Apes* (1970) and *Escape from the Planet of the Apes* (1971)**
- **Year: 3980**
- Following Taylor's discovery, another astronaut, Brent, arrives in search of Taylor. He discovers an underground city of mutated humans worshipping a doomsday weapon. Meanwhile, Zira, Cornelius, and the scientist discover Brent's ship on the beach and decide to escape Earth's impending doom. They manage to travel back in time, setting the stage for the earlier events in 1973.
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### **Conclusion:**
This timeline intricately merges the events of the *Planet of the Apes* movies and TV shows with *12 Monkeys* and *Oblivion*, creating a vast narrative that spans millennia. It explores the rise and fall of civilizations, the consequences of technological advancement, and the enduring struggle for dominance between humans and apes. Each chapter in this timeline builds upon the last, leading to a future where the lines between humanity and apes blur, and the ultimate fate of Earth remains uncertain.
I love the originals and I really love the new ones, but I’m not interested in an attempt to make them flow into a cohesive timeline. I think that will lead to some really predictable stories, or some stories where the plot holes will have to be so big you could drive a truck through them. In my opinion, treat this as an alternate universe type of thing. The originals were what would have happened for their world’s time and problems. The new ones are the future for this world’s time and problems. Even the Burton film could fit into that frame of reference, it’s an alternate future for an alternate timeline. Connecting them will not make the films better or necessarily even more interesting. Also it very well could explain why the different apes in the three universes look so different, although time could also technically fill that function as well.
I hope they don't. I feel about the original Apes saga the same way I feel about the original X-Men films: the characters, actors, themes and iconography are the best there are, but the movies don't work as a collective because of the contradictions and continuity mistakes.
You left out a major clue from Rise. The lost space ship is still lost. In spite of what they said during Rise, they could have put the lost ship in just in case if they can connect them. The trip back to the 1970’s would have created a new timeline thus making the current films before the original to be prequels.
I’ve looked at these movies as the timeline prior to it being altered in escape 🤷♂️
Maybe!
They reased the Icurous lost in space in the first film. I want to see basically a modern remake of the original. That doesant end with a time loop or Taylor blowing up the Earth. But still discovering later on that they are on Earth. What if they end up in Saint Lewis and see the tip of the gateway arch sticking out of the ground and broken and dented instead of the statue of liberty.
More evidence for being separate: Taylor's ship was launched in 1973; the ship launched in the new series took off in presumably 2011.
I think it's possible that multiple ships could have been launched and lost throughout history, so it could have happened in 1973 and 2011.
Tbh I don’t think the idea of the reboot films being canon with the originals should be dismissed because of the origin story given in Escape.
Purely on the fact that he refers to the sacred scrolls which easily could be like any historical text today. Some of the key beats could be correct but the finer details not so much.
The idea that in several generations, the apes find out their whole origin is down to a human virus and hate the concept so they change the narrative to being evolution in the sacred scrolls. Would make perfect sense.
I think there’s easy ways to fit the films together and perhaps Caesars name is changed by the Apes in the scrolls to Aldo to remove the human origin too.
I think there’s SO much potential for the franchise to link in a real satisfying but gradual way.
yeah, basically there is only one OG. Those sequels dont count. Beneath makes no sense. Rescue mission by Brent? Escape. They pulled ship from water and launched in literal minutes? Beneath and Conquest are just filler movies. Just make an end movie that shows taylor arriving. Make them flying over monuments that are recognizable to the viewer but taylor, dodge and brent dont see it because they are still sleeping. No remake of OG.
Well one is in San Francisco and Taylor arrived in NY
There would have to be some ai writing cross-over to merge what happens between the 2 Ceasars
1 in San Francisco, 1 in New York
I see a lot of continuity issues going from the original franchise to this current franchise. I just don't feel one can bridge the two as one single cannon story. I'm looking for the Icarus mission patch to show up somewhere down the line.
There was a mars mission shown on TV in Dawn and in in second movie the a news paper showed them lost . In original they were supposed to go to another solar system
Set 300 years after “War,” Ball’s “Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes” is just marking time because come 2670 A.D., the Lawgiver essentially shuts down any remaining attempts to domesticate Humans, thereby ensuring POTA’s dead-end future for Humans for the next 1300 years.
One interesting thing, though: In the Sacred Scrolls, the Lawgiver did NOT call for the extermination of Man, only that he be shunned and driven back into the forests.
Ai voice cloning/lip syncing could replace the new Ceasar's name with Aido
Have to be some editing and work around, but possibly
It was a complete reboot for the second time including MW version in the early 2000s 😊
I want them to connect and I actually want a remake of beneath 😅. Maybe not exactly the same, but I actually liked the concept of the mutants and the worship of the nuclear bomb.
They need to be careful with how they approach the mutants because I get worried modern audiences would reject them, but I think they could find a way to make it work!