I’ve probably watched over a dozen videos on bracing alone, and I’ve never processed the counterbalance mechanic til this video. I really like the way you break things down!
Oh man! World's was so fun! Did a content practice round. It was like dg Disney World. Didn't get to meet many because I was busy caddying. Just had enough time to give Robbie C a pound when he wrapped his caddy round with Sully. I was bummed I missed meeting more folks.
This video and your advice mean a lot to me! Of all the things i want to accomplish, being able to throw a disc far is pretty important in my strange mind 😅
Interesting problem you worked through there. I think there are 2 key things involved, one is leaking power/spin-out, and the other is balance. You can see on your pre-lesson form you fall backwards after the shot, since your knee kicked up and your front foot stayed square and never opened up after releasing the disc. So I think it is important to keep your back leg behind you as a counterbalance, until the disc is gone. Most shots I like to finish completely balanced, the back leg naturally just kicks back behind me at the hit, and then once the disc is gone it swings around so I'm facing the target balanced. But you are very correct you have to stop your lower body, upper body and shoulders when you brace until the hit happens, and only then follow through. Even on a David Wiggins 360 shot, he does exactly that, but once the disc is gone, he goes spinning around to follow through so he doesn't hurt himself, but he's definitely not spinning-out.
Trebuchet DG does a great job explaining this, and the one legged drill is the best way to learn it for yourself. The only thing I’d point out is the extension of the rear leg happens by itself as the forward weight of the arm and disc moves forward, the body naturally wants to balance instead of falling over and it does this by extending the rear leg some. The transition from the one legged drill to the xstep can get tricky, and should only be done after checking the forward knee isn’t bowing out in front (Trebuchet knee safety). The only way you can keep that rear leg back is by staying on the balls of your feet. Any footwork laziness or otherwise will cause the back leg to rotate around more versus be collected in to some extent. It’s important to say that the drills by Josh are over exaggerated, and the full collection of the rear leg, similar to what you’re doing, is not exactly what you should be aiming for. There isn’t any pro to my knowledge who has their rear leg fully collected in, rather it’s just a little bit collected. So long as your rear leg doesn’t go immediately flying around yourself, you’re doing something right with your brace. As I always say, the most difficult part of the brace is being comfortable with the feeling of blindly falling forward in a balanced and controlled way. The easiest way to start working on this is to just practice walking sideways on the balls of your feet for a few minutes every day. Then do this and finish by mocking what should be done when you end on your brace leg. This gets you comfortable with not looking forward, while remaining balanced. Mix in some one legged drills from Trebuchet DG, and a new player should have a workable brace in a short amount of time, plus the entire xstep from start to brace. Edit: I should also add that for me, a swing thrower, the off arm swing has also helped greatly to collect the off leg in. This seems to be contrary to advice given by Spin Doctor, but all the swing throwers (GG, Gibson, McBeth) have a violent off arm swing in and down. Trebuchet DG also talks about how necessary this is as your off arm acts as an anchor by doing this. So, if you’re more of a swing thrower, I’d suggest looking into the off arm swing mechanics.
Yeah, this is certainly over-exaggerated as always with me and drills. It is why I put the wording disclaimer up twice. My full normal throws allow the leg to travel after the disc exits for sure.
A good way to know if the rear leg spun out ( leaked power) or properly released toque and shifted underneath is by paying attention to the thrower’s rear heel. The rear heel should initially go target ward first as it extends to counter the swing .
Go to OTs slow-motion video of Drew. At release, his back leg is in the same position I am talking about here. Hip rotation, I think, is a very misunderstood element of the motion. I don't claim to have it figured out at all, but I think some people who claim to, don't understand it either. Who knows, maybe I am wrong. All I know is that this helped me when Josh coached me through it. Gained probably 3-4 mph once I learned how to do it.
In my opinion, having the knee up like your pre-lesson form means you are not engaging the posterior oblique sling much. To engage the POS, the glutes need to contract, which will also cause the hip to extend. If the hip does not extend, that means you are not using the glutes. The backwards kick your talking about is not just a counterbalance, it is actually engagement of the POS that connects from your back leg hip to your throwing arm lat and shoulder. It is this extention of the back leg hip that may lead to the idea that the hips (or rather the pelvis) should be rotated forcefully, as hip extention will cause the back leg hip to move forward in relation to the front leg hip, which does cause the pelvis to rotate a bit. But the rotation of the pelvis is more of a biproduct than an actual goal. Although it could work well as a cue for some, because it could lead to more glute engagement.
Thanks for the video but, for me, throwing off on one leg has never worked for me. BUT, this video did get me to thinking... Somebody else mentioned Happy Gilmore. What sport would a disc golf Happy Gilmore play? A: Baseball. Long story short, I get into a RHBH standstill stance. Then I rotate back for the back swing while lifting my front leg (like a baseball pitcher). Then I spring off my back leg to plant my front foot. and then I throw through the pocket. sweeeeeeet. Lifting the front leg forces the weight to shift to the back. Springing off the back leg to drive in the plant shifts weight to the front AND seems easier to wait for that plant before initiating launch. This allowed me to easily transition to a 4 step run up.
I do it just touching my toe back to the ground. The purpose isn't to fall back on the back foot. Because in a full power throw, that's not what you would do. This drill is just focusing on using that back leg as a counter weight.
Ehh not sure….for sure the pros back leg is usually completely off the ground and usually behind them but not sure it robs distance to swing around as the disc is already gone. You look more stiff and unathletic here. Ezra aderhold has a pretty prominent spin out with the knee coming up into this chest in a hard throw. On the early side of the throw if x stepping in the proper lanes the rear leg will be back and behind. Like pitching in baseball you are going to have a swing around of the leg but it’s after the ball is gone so you have to release it or you are going to get injured
Yeah, I'm not talking about follow-through here for sure. What I'm talking about is people who let that back leg travel as they are throwing. For sure, let your leg go after throwing so you don't hurt yourself. Most every top-level coach will tell you what I am telling you here. But it doesn't mean it's 100% true for everyone. Thanks for the comment!
If you haven't yet check out slingshot disc golf! I've been working on implementing it because he breaks it down well just like you did. Got stuff brother!
@discgolfdadddy yeah, I'm familiar with Sling Shot. Some of his stuff I agree with some I don't. That's the great thing about this sport so many different approaches. Thanks!
What is happening here is the brace is delaying your lower body from spinning. You will definitely spin your lower body on your follow through on full power throws. If you watch Anthony Barela, his lower body always lags behind his release and spins with the remaining momentum in the body after the majority of the energy is transferred into the throw. If you are spinning your lower body as you release and you have to literally land on your back leg to stop your forward momentum, then you haven’t braced properly. The only person who breaks this rule on even medium power throws is James Conrad, who uses his entire body to launch the disc all at once, which is going to be unconventional for most people.
Halfway in I'm going to be annoyed if this is clickbait. I dont see 70mph or 500+ distance in you, looks like a shitty view grab for yourself showing 70mph on the video thumbnail...
Apologies. That wasn't my intention. No where do I say I throw 70 mph or 500 ft. I guess it was bad judgement to use the speed limit sign. I'm not in the practice of clickbait, as you can see by my other vids. Doesn't make the content any less true. I do, however, throw 60+ mph and 400+ feet, which isn't awful for 50+ years old. ;)
@@discsmdthat comment was generated by an AI bot attempting to create chaos. Nevermind the trolls. Your videos are worth the watch and I appreciate your efforts to educate newer disc golfers. I also greatly appreciated the Psalm you included! Praise the lord Jesus!!! Keep up the good work my brother
Nice video, up until the bible verses. The same book that condones slavery and slaying the firstborne sons. Not a very moral book for cherry picking quotes from.
I respect your right to your opinion. And you are absolutely welcome to stop the video before the verse. I would argue it doesn't condone either of those things, but that is a discussion for outside of UA-cam. Glad you liked the dg content!
Best explanation of the brace I have seen yet, will be grinding on this for a while. Thank you.
Really appreciate that. I've been learning a lot lately.
Just now seeing this... I'm totally jealous...the Worlds! It's amazing to see just how good the pros are! Glad you were able to go🎉
Yeah, man. Best disc golf experience of my life. Totally worth attending it at some point.
I’ve probably watched over a dozen videos on bracing alone, and I’ve never processed the counterbalance mechanic til this video. I really like the way you break things down!
I've seen a lot of one leg stuff, its a difficult concept. I think these are good tips
Oh man! World's was so fun! Did a content practice round. It was like dg Disney World. Didn't get to meet many because I was busy caddying. Just had enough time to give Robbie C a pound when he wrapped his caddy round with Sully. I was bummed I missed meeting more folks.
Yeah, dude, Worlds was a BLAST! I was talking with Robbie right after he caddies for Sully, too!! Lol. Small world.
@discsmd he had to go in and finish scoring. All i got was a fist bump. Lol! Forgot to tell him I'm Birdie fam.
Thanks for the verse! I enjoyed your video. Im a 63yo getting into discgolf looking for all the help i can get.
Glad I could help! If you have any questions specific to you, please reach out to me and ask.
Thanks for the scripture. I will commit it to memory. Glad you got to go to the Worlds,...I bet it was really cool and awesome.
This video and your advice mean a lot to me!
Of all the things i want to accomplish, being able to throw a disc far is pretty important in my strange mind 😅
Welcome to disc golf obsession...lol.
I like the new intro!
Thanks! I'm kinda partial to it myself...lol
Interesting problem you worked through there. I think there are 2 key things involved, one is leaking power/spin-out, and the other is balance. You can see on your pre-lesson form you fall backwards after the shot, since your knee kicked up and your front foot stayed square and never opened up after releasing the disc. So I think it is important to keep your back leg behind you as a counterbalance, until the disc is gone. Most shots I like to finish completely balanced, the back leg naturally just kicks back behind me at the hit, and then once the disc is gone it swings around so I'm facing the target balanced. But you are very correct you have to stop your lower body, upper body and shoulders when you brace until the hit happens, and only then follow through. Even on a David Wiggins 360 shot, he does exactly that, but once the disc is gone, he goes spinning around to follow through so he doesn't hurt himself, but he's definitely not spinning-out.
Yeah, I can get behind all of this. Thanks for the comment!
Trebuchet DG does a great job explaining this, and the one legged drill is the best way to learn it for yourself. The only thing I’d point out is the extension of the rear leg happens by itself as the forward weight of the arm and disc moves forward, the body naturally wants to balance instead of falling over and it does this by extending the rear leg some. The transition from the one legged drill to the xstep can get tricky, and should only be done after checking the forward knee isn’t bowing out in front (Trebuchet knee safety). The only way you can keep that rear leg back is by staying on the balls of your feet. Any footwork laziness or otherwise will cause the back leg to rotate around more versus be collected in to some extent.
It’s important to say that the drills by Josh are over exaggerated, and the full collection of the rear leg, similar to what you’re doing, is not exactly what you should be aiming for. There isn’t any pro to my knowledge who has their rear leg fully collected in, rather it’s just a little bit collected. So long as your rear leg doesn’t go immediately flying around yourself, you’re doing something right with your brace.
As I always say, the most difficult part of the brace is being comfortable with the feeling of blindly falling forward in a balanced and controlled way. The easiest way to start working on this is to just practice walking sideways on the balls of your feet for a few minutes every day. Then do this and finish by mocking what should be done when you end on your brace leg. This gets you comfortable with not looking forward, while remaining balanced. Mix in some one legged drills from Trebuchet DG, and a new player should have a workable brace in a short amount of time, plus the entire xstep from start to brace.
Edit: I should also add that for me, a swing thrower, the off arm swing has also helped greatly to collect the off leg in. This seems to be contrary to advice given by Spin Doctor, but all the swing throwers (GG, Gibson, McBeth) have a violent off arm swing in and down. Trebuchet DG also talks about how necessary this is as your off arm acts as an anchor by doing this. So, if you’re more of a swing thrower, I’d suggest looking into the off arm swing mechanics.
Yeah, this is certainly over-exaggerated as always with me and drills. It is why I put the wording disclaimer up twice. My full normal throws allow the leg to travel after the disc exits for sure.
Like your lessons! Thanks.😊
You are most welcome!
Great job buddy !!! 🎉🎉🎉
A good way to know if the rear leg spun out ( leaked power) or properly released toque and shifted underneath is by paying attention to the thrower’s rear heel.
The rear heel should initially go target ward first as it extends to counter the swing .
Interesting. I'll have to pay closer attention to that. Thanks!
I don't know about this one mate, that drew gibson bodanza bootcamp video focused on the rear hip clearing.
Go to OTs slow-motion video of Drew. At release, his back leg is in the same position I am talking about here. Hip rotation, I think, is a very misunderstood element of the motion. I don't claim to have it figured out at all, but I think some people who claim to, don't understand it either. Who knows, maybe I am wrong. All I know is that this helped me when Josh coached me through it. Gained probably 3-4 mph once I learned how to do it.
In my opinion, having the knee up like your pre-lesson form means you are not engaging the posterior oblique sling much. To engage the POS, the glutes need to contract, which will also cause the hip to extend. If the hip does not extend, that means you are not using the glutes. The backwards kick your talking about is not just a counterbalance, it is actually engagement of the POS that connects from your back leg hip to your throwing arm lat and shoulder.
It is this extention of the back leg hip that may lead to the idea that the hips (or rather the pelvis) should be rotated forcefully, as hip extention will cause the back leg hip to move forward in relation to the front leg hip, which does cause the pelvis to rotate a bit. But the rotation of the pelvis is more of a biproduct than an actual goal. Although it could work well as a cue for some, because it could lead to more glute engagement.
I like where your head's at. Good insights. Thanks!
Great tip! Ever squish one between there... not fun! lol
Hmmm I don't have this leg issue. 🎉😂 sweet! Gtg!
Congrats! Thanks! 😅
Muy interesante la aportacion
Thanks for the video but, for me, throwing off on one leg has never worked for me.
BUT, this video did get me to thinking...
Somebody else mentioned Happy Gilmore.
What sport would a disc golf Happy Gilmore play? A: Baseball.
Long story short,
I get into a RHBH standstill stance.
Then I rotate back for the back swing while lifting my front leg (like a baseball pitcher).
Then I spring off my back leg to plant my front foot.
and then I throw through the pocket.
sweeeeeeet.
Lifting the front leg forces the weight to shift to the back.
Springing off the back leg to drive in the plant shifts weight to the front AND seems
easier to wait for that plant before initiating launch.
This allowed me to easily transition to a 4 step run up.
Yeah, the baseball throws that Nick Crush does is essentially what you talk about. I'm glad the video got you thinking bout stuff! That's the goal! 😀
@11:26 should one do this drill with the back heel hitting the ground or on the balls?
I do it just touching my toe back to the ground. The purpose isn't to fall back on the back foot. Because in a full power throw, that's not what you would do. This drill is just focusing on using that back leg as a counter weight.
What’s your average golf line distance ?
Right now, I'd say 380-390 avg. That's a flip up to flat, pushing line.
@@discsmd solid 🙏🏼
@HaikesXO thanks. I've been working so hard I feel like it should be farther...lol
@@discsmd I feel that! But keep in mind a 385ft golf shot is farther than probably 75% of average disc golf players . Maybe more
I do this motion, keeping leg back, on hyper flips....when they come out right it does go far....hmmmm
Yeah man, it's a tough thing. I have issues throwing hyzer, always have.
Bunky I forgot to mention that I also am sponsored by Lone Star as a Ranger
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Ehh not sure….for sure the pros back leg is usually completely off the ground and usually behind them but not sure it robs distance to swing around as the disc is already gone. You look more stiff and unathletic here. Ezra aderhold has a pretty prominent spin out with the knee coming up into this chest in a hard throw. On the early side of the throw if x stepping in the proper lanes the rear leg will be back and behind. Like pitching in baseball you are going to have a swing around of the leg but it’s after the ball is gone so you have to release it or you are going to get injured
Yeah, I'm not talking about follow-through here for sure. What I'm talking about is people who let that back leg travel as they are throwing. For sure, let your leg go after throwing so you don't hurt yourself. Most every top-level coach will tell you what I am telling you here. But it doesn't mean it's 100% true for everyone. Thanks for the comment!
If you haven't yet check out slingshot disc golf! I've been working on implementing it because he breaks it down well just like you did. Got stuff brother!
@discgolfdadddy yeah, I'm familiar with Sling Shot. Some of his stuff I agree with some I don't. That's the great thing about this sport so many different approaches. Thanks!
What is happening here is the brace is delaying your lower body from spinning. You will definitely spin your lower body on your follow through on full power throws. If you watch Anthony Barela, his lower body always lags behind his release and spins with the remaining momentum in the body after the majority of the energy is transferred into the throw. If you are spinning your lower body as you release and you have to literally land on your back leg to stop your forward momentum, then you haven’t braced properly. The only person who breaks this rule on even medium power throws is James Conrad, who uses his entire body to launch the disc all at once, which is going to be unconventional for most people.
Halfway in I'm going to be annoyed if this is clickbait. I dont see 70mph or 500+ distance in you, looks like a shitty view grab for yourself showing 70mph on the video thumbnail...
Apologies. That wasn't my intention. No where do I say I throw 70 mph or 500 ft. I guess it was bad judgement to use the speed limit sign. I'm not in the practice of clickbait, as you can see by my other vids. Doesn't make the content any less true. I do, however, throw 60+ mph and 400+ feet, which isn't awful for 50+ years old. ;)
Fixed, again, apologies. Clickbait is the last thing I want.
@@discsmdthat comment was generated by an AI bot attempting to create chaos. Nevermind the trolls. Your videos are worth the watch and I appreciate your efforts to educate newer disc golfers. I also greatly appreciated the Psalm you included! Praise the lord Jesus!!!
Keep up the good work my brother
@stefandomagalski3722 Thanks. Appreciate that. Just want to be above reproach. 😀 Appreciate you and your faith.
Nice video, up until the bible verses. The same book that condones slavery and slaying the firstborne sons. Not a very moral book for cherry picking quotes from.
I respect your right to your opinion. And you are absolutely welcome to stop the video before the verse. I would argue it doesn't condone either of those things, but that is a discussion for outside of UA-cam. Glad you liked the dg content!