American Learns How The Provinces Of The Netherlands Got Their Names
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you pronounced all names of our provinces right, the narrator said it wrong, do not doubt yourself, you are like half Dutchie now :)
I was just about to comment this, you are 100% right.
One of us, one of us, one of us!
As correct as an English speaker can get. (I mean... the G will always remain a difficult point of course)
I was very impressed that he named 11 out of 12 provinces on top of his head.
Well, he kept the last e in Drente silent, but I was indeed very impressed. I think he left out Flevoland, which became a province during my lifetime and which I think is passed over by most people over a certain age.
I'm also impressed by the rest of the historic knowledge Charlie displays, most Dutch people, including myself, wouldn't have known all that.
You are actually saying Overijssel way better then the other guy , stick with ur original one! Same with the Zeeland , ur saying it right.
It's because in the Dutch language we connect adjectives to nouns!
Over Ijssel (other side of the Ijssel)(Ijssel is a Dutch river that runs South to North) they'd pronounce perfectly because they'd just take that little pause in between!
Was about to say the first attempt before the doubt was extremely ok especially for an foreigner. Had more problems with their pronunciation than with yours.
True. Believe me, cause I'm Dutch.
As far as I know is the province of Gerlderland is named after the the county of the Lords of Gelre ( De Heren van Gelre) the guys who ran that part of the Netherlands from the 11th century until roughly 1339 and they called it The County of Gelre ( Graafschap Gelre) Later addapted to Gelderland.
Your pronounciation of 'overijsel' was spot on :)
Fun fact: The northern tip of North-Holland is still called West-Friesland
And the north-western part of Germany Ost-Friesland!
They have their own dialect there, but I’m not sure if it’s still spoken. I remember they pronounce the ch as a k instead of a g.
@@jannetteberends8730 It is still spoken, It's called "Plat Deutsch" or "Platdeutsch". It sounds like Gronings. But it will probebly have become more like German over the years. Like Gronings has become more and more like Dutch.
I'm a Groninger. My parents, specialy my father knows a lot more old Groninger words than I do. And I know probebly a lot more then the younger generation.
I'm afraid the language is slowly dying.
Not the northern tip. Only the part inside the Westfriese omringdijk is West-Friesland. It's between Schagen, Alkmaar, Enkhuizen, Hoorn and Medemblik.
@@janharmlI live in Groningen as well and pretty close to the border and I oft end up talking Grunnings to them while they speak platduuts in return and we understand eachother almost flawlessly 👌🏻
If you want to emigrate to the Netherlands you do not have to take an integration course, you know more about our little country than we do 💪
Your pronunciation is 1000x better than that other guy's, don't sweat. :)
Love your pronunciation and factual knowledge of the provinces. Not bad, since not even a whole lot of Dutchies are familiar with our country's history and geography.
Your pronunciation is better then his. You know more about the Netherlands then some Netherlands themselves.
Inhabitants still are called Dutch!! Zou je toch moeten weten dacht ik zo...
@@basooink2305 So Dutch = Nederlander. Klopt als een bus. Oops, Charlie does not know what that means.🤪 Let him find out.
That city skyline you see when the Overijssel part begins is the city of Deventer. One of the oldest in the country. When they were still fishing with their hands in Amsterdam, Deventer was a thriving city.
Isn't a very tiny part of south Deventer in Gelderland?
I remember crossing that bridge near Steen kamer?? and saw a provincial sign of Gelderland and when departed that road to get to 'De Hoven' I was back in Overijssel again.. kinda funny how some borders are drawn right?
Edit : A similar situation is in Meppel, a tiny bit is in Overijssel while the main city is in Drenthe 😉
Man, your knowledge of our country is better than a lot of Dutch know. Keep going!
A part of Noord Holland is still called West Friesland.
Awesome bro! You named 11 out of 12 i'm truly impressed you should come over and live here, you know a lot of our tiny country, more than most foreigners...
your pronunciation is much better then the narrator, your language lessons are paying off🇳🇱👍🏻👍🏻
Fryslân land of the Frisii, a germanic tribe that lived there before the area became uninhabitable for a while, later the new people who moved there stuck to that name although they were not Frisii, the Frisii seemd to have a fierce reputation and such a reputation is a good thing to live safely. BTW i am a Frisian.
This is all legend.
To start with the first, Groningen originally just the name of the City, comes from 'green', Greeningen, that what is green, as its sandy hill spine was surrounded by bright green clay meadows.
Your "Overijssel" was close to perfect. Keep it up, your pronunciation is getting really good!
I didn't know about Friesland or so meaning "cold" and I don't think it does - But vriezen (= to freeze) is almost the same word. I heard that confusion between vriezen/Friezen before. These words sound the same and Friesland is ground 0 for ice skating but I don't thinking the freezing is part of the Frisia etymology.
Zo heb je 't over Friezen, zo heb je 't over dooien. Herman Finkers joke comparing Friezen/vriezen to doden/dooien. Now you're talking about Frisians/freezing, next you're talking about dead people/thawing.
I live in Gelderland, i know of the weapon (flag) of Gelderland. But I never knew the dragon on it was there for this reason. Cool fact; GERLUUUUUU
Don't doubt your own pronounciations when watching a video about the Netherlands made by someone who's not Dutch. 😉
You are doing great Charlie!
Indeed, Charlie could teach that other guy a thing or two about Dutch pronounciations.
Even though most of the coast along the Netherlands, Germany and Belgium was Frisia they were not really united all the time and more like loose tribes that tolerated eachother, it was the Romans who collectively started calling them Frisii. Also before Groningen became it's own province it used to belong to the Drenthe region. Drenthe is also called the prehistoric province, being the oldest region were humans settled.
You have so much knowledge now. It's impressive
Your knowledge of the Netherlands is clearly growing. Naming all the provinces and missing only one was impressive. It would be like me naming 45 of the 50 states on top of my head. Don't worry to much about your pronunciation, you are doing fine.
The name origin of Friesland is unclear. A generally accepted explanation (but not 100% confiirmed) is that, just like Groningen, it was named after a leader named Friso. Another suggestion is that it was named by a Roman Emperor named Valentinianus who called it "vriesland" (which is actually one of the oldest explanations originating from 1540), More recently it is suggested it is related to "frizzy/curly hair". There is finally the etymology explanation where it is sugested Friesland is etymologic related to the Indo/European word Preisios which could be translated to "the Friends/friendly people" (modern day Frisians must not have gotten that note)
Your pronunciation of Overijsel is spot on. I join the Chorus in the comments "One of Us, One of Us" 😂
You never heard the Dragon story because it is BS. The province is just like Groningen named after a person. Count Gerard I van Gelre. This count indeed hailed from that German town Geldre and he owned the lands which were called Gelre's Lands (obviously) which changed over time to Gelderland.
One thing he missed though: Utrecht and Overijssel are very recent names. They used to be called Sticht and Oversticht. A sticht was an area ruled by a high church official; Sticht and Oversticht were ruled by the bishop of the city of Utrecht.
As someone from Gelderland. I've never heared that dragon story but I am glad I did now
In the 17th Century, when the Dutch fleet ruled the waves, Holland actually did run the Dutch Republic (and this is why about the entire world equates Holland with The Netherlands).
You're right about Groningen. Between 1000 and 1500 CE the province gradually turned Nether-Saxon. The original video got the explanation wrong. Gron is related to groen = green, ingen means open fields.
As other commenters already pointed out your pronunciation of the Dutch provinces is the better one.
The entire history of Gelre is pretty cool and not widely known in The Netherlands itself. It consisted of four quarters; the original, southern one is divided between Germany, Belgium and Limburg. Eg Roermond used to be a Geldern city too.
During the Middle Ages Brabant was one province - and the eternal enemy of Gelre. It largely consisted of (Belgian) Brabant, Antwerpen, North-Brabant and parts of (Belgian) Limburg.
Your pronounciation is on point :) The one tip I have is that, when you pronounce "land" in for example "Zeeland", you should pronounce it more like "lahnd" rather than "lend"
Indeed, the dutch 'a' in 'land' is pronounced as the english 'a' in 'arc' or the first 'a' in 'archway'. The second 'a' in 'Brabant' also has this pronounciation, while the first 'a' in Brabant, since it's followed by a single consonant which is not at the end of the word is pronounced as 'aa' (in old dutch texts words with this sound are always written with the double vowel 'aa') which is pronounced like the 'a' in 'Chicago'.
Your pronouncations are pretty spot on!
By the way...I'm watching from a town called Soest, in Utrecht. Soest is known for our beautiful woods, sand dunes (sitting here since the ice age!), polders and the many famous Dutch artists and performers living here. 😊👍
Exactly Charlie. The most northern part of North Holland is called West Friesland. Other side of the lake is what we call Friesland and cross the border into Germany there is Ost Friesland.
Watching your vid from Gelderland, but never knew about how it was named, so cool tho!
at 1.56 You got them almost all, Flevoland was the last one, DUDE YOU ROCK!!!!!
Spakenburg, Is 7 KM. From the Province of Gelderland. And 7 from the Province of North Holland. Just look up Bunschoten-Spakenburg. On the map of the Netherlands. It really is at the tip of the province of Utrecht.
I'm impressed with your knowledge of our country! You should come visit 👍
6:53 You do it much better than the voice of the video. I am from Overijssel, so i know. 9:20 Yes, again, your'e pronounce it beter that the voice of the video. (He speak with to much English accent). If he was talking about New Zeeland i agree with his pronunciation.
Your Dutch is brilliant my friend ! Nearing perfection !
I'm almost sure there's some Dutch blood running through your veins.
Most American sounding pronunciation of Gelderland I've ever heard 🤠 But that was just funny I'd say your pronunciation was much better than the original vid and I could understand it perfectly fine 👍
Flevoland...!..it is the new province we claimed from 'het IJssel- en Markermeer...'
🤦♂️yeah I realized later in the video lol
Previously known as the Zuiderzee.
@@ItsCharlieVest, 'Just forget about it!' - Noord Brabant 😘😘😘
4:33 actually that map is inacurate the Frissian empire was al the way to Zeeland and even parts of the English coast were Frissia. Utrecht also, infact the great battle of Radboud was fought in Utrecht, Dorestad to be exact a place wich they later came back to from Denmark as "Vikings".
Looking from Noord-holland. Just under the area called west-Friesland. Yes it stil exists in name...
Flevoland the big polder you missed I believe
The region that used to make up the County of Zutphen (now part of Gelderland province) is just called the County ( _De Graafschap_ ).
Rather unimaginative.
Never realized that. It’s funny.
The one you missed is Flevoland, the one that is taken from the sea.
I live in Gelderland. I know about this dragon, but I'm quite sure that the name Gelre was not a sound coming from that dragon. It has got more to do with "de Heren van Gelre", the Lords of Gelre. Gelre is just another name for Gelderland.
i am from enschede overijssel
top Video again, you pronounce it very well
Brabant was talked about to little. Brabant does not mean broken lands but it means swamp region (braec bant)
Your pronouncing is quite ok for an English speaker!
In the Dutch language we don't pronounce the A towards the E as in English!
When you pronounce the word "Brabant" you can distinguish the two different sounds of the A in english while in Dutch both A are pronounced as the first one!
English example: Bra or like the band name Aha.
We also use AA in the Dutch language and it's the same sound only prolonged so it sounds like the end of that band name Ahaaaa!
Dutch examples;
Naar = To or Creepy
Waar = Where or True
Daar = There
Snaar = String
Then we've got some vowel mixtures like AE, AI, AU, AO but by pronouncing your A and AA right you go a long way already!
You can practise with this sentence!
Ik las vandaag in de krant de aanvraag van een amerikaanse klant!
Today I read in the newspaper the demand of an American client!
Charly, trust in what you have learned about the pronunciations in the Nederlandse taal. Don't let someone who doesn't speak Nederlands make you doubt how to pronounce the words/names 😉
your pronunciations are good man, Overijsel "the land over the ijsel " You might be ready for the more difficult ones :) like Heerhugowaard, s'Hertogenbosch
Or Gorinchem or Tytsjerksteradiel
He actually reacted to a video about the Binnendieze in 's-Hertogenbosch (note the spelling :P), and he was actually 100% spot on with the pronunciation of it, so that was pretty damn amazing, haha.
I am from Zeeland, you pronounce all perfectly. almost
Noord Brabant, that's my "provincie". And live in the middle of it. Tilburg city. Btw. Belgium also has a provence called Brabant, Divided in 2 parts. The waals(france language) and the Vlaams (Belgium/dutch language).
ook hier noord brabant ( nistelrode ) ongeveer 10 minuten van oss
Watching from Gelderland, also never heard where it comes from.
Really Funny you had al the old ones but you just missed the new one Flevoland. I see You figured it out. I lived my whole life in Gelderland but never heard the story of the dragon. I always thought that it was named after the “count/duke” named Gelre
Even within provinces there are significant differences in architecture. Architecture styles are not bound to the borders of a province.
Neder means down. De Nederlanden are the lands downriver, along the Lower Rhine, as opposed to the Opperlanden, along the Upper Rhine. Both names stem from 10th C Lotharingen, the remnant of the Middle Kingdom of the Frankish empire, but go back to Roman era Germania Inferior and Germania Superior.
Hollow land is do obviously wrong. When you stand on a flat land, the horizon curves down and the world looks bulbous, not hollow.
Groningen is the name of the city. The surrounding province used to be known as the Ommelanden, literally the lands round about.
West Friesland is the tip of North Holland. In fact, all of Holland used to be Western Frisia. The part East of the Afsluitdijk is Friesland proper. Only the Germans call that part West Friesland.
Many stories about the name. Apparently the Romans named Frisia after the Frisii and the Frisivones. Friso is also a personal name, just like Gruno. Some say it comes from an old vorm of vrij, meaning free.
Everybody forgets Flevoland. It has no history, so it's not exactly ingrained in our collective memory.
Yeah, I never heard that story about the dragon either, and I'm 60 and have lived in Gelderland. Gelderland is the Dutch part if what used to be the Duchy of Gelre. There may be a story about a dragon, but it sounds like a made up explanation from after they forgot where the name really comes from. Folk-etymology, they call that.
No limetrees in Limburg. Btw.
There is some debate on the meaning of the latin (Roman) name for Utrecht.Some scholars think that ultrajectum (ad Rhenum) means that it was where you could cross the river and the last (ultra) place where the river boats on the Rhine stopped before transfering their cargo from Germany to sea going ships en route to Britain (and vice versa). There are also etymologies saying that it was called Trajectum ad Rhenum uut (uut is germanic and means in this context downstream). Fun fact: Some more places have this Roman stem "trajectum" in their name (Dordrecht, Maastricht)
7:01 once again you beaten the Artificial Insanity. You done ti right on Overijssel, Charlie!, AI got it wrong
Noord Holland . Zuid holland
Zeeland, brabant, limburg, gelderland, utrecht. Overijsel , Drente, groningen, friesland en flevoland.
The naming of Brabant in the video was wrong. Brabant is named after a legend story, "Brabo and the Gaint!!"
Brabo cut off the hand of the Gaint and throw this one in the Schelde (River near Antwerp, 4th City of the Benelux with 530.000 people).
Antwerp by name is also connect to this legend, in Dutch it called:"Antwerpen". Antwerpen is from Handwerpen (Hand throwing), The Hand of the Gaint.
Me myself life in Tilburg, a city in North Nrabant and I am just as you very interested in history and geographic, so I know for sure what I did tell you, was right!!!
Your pronounciation is a *lot* better then the ones in the video ;) Only the g needs some work (though I think you may need to have been born Dutch to pronounce that properly:) You nailed Overijssel, for zeeland its a short 'a', more like in e.g. father (same goes for holland)
Watching from Gelderland. Dragons are cool.
Northern part of Noord holland is still called west friesland. You said Overijssel in the good way, the guy in the video said it wrong.
I love how the ancient Frisians already had the afsluitdijk on the map.
And your pronounciations are much better than his.
Belgium has a province of Limburg too. They also had a Brabant (that's why ours is called Noord Brabant), but they split that up for the same reason we split up Holland. Brussel was the capital of Brabant when it was still one province, a Duchy. That's what the capital of Noord Brabant is named after, it's offically called 's Hertogenbosch, the Duke's Forest, but we usually shorten in to Den Bosch.
we don't have only north brabant,there is also west brabant
How come there is not one Dutchie, naming the 12 provinces to him here? Is everyone lost about it them selfs? 😅
From south west by the coast up to north east and down the borders. Leaving the 2 inland provinces to name last. (At least that's how I could remember them when I was a kid)
1. Zeeland,
2. Zuid Holland,
3. Noord Holland,
4. Friesland,
5. Groningen,
6. Drenthe,
7. Overijssel,
8. Gelderland,
9. Limburg,
10. Noord Brabant,
11. Utrecht,
12. Flevoland.
This with out the oversea's islands in the Caribbean. They have some kind of special status I'm not familiar with but they are not a province as far as I know.
Let me be redundant and repeat what others have already commented: Your Dutch pronunciations are much better than those of the English dude. Especially Overijssel.
Is your tire repaired?
yeah had some other comments deleted, sorry
yes, thanks for asking!
Flevoland was the one you forgot. Still impressive! I don't think I can name all US states.
I'm in Noord-Brabant while I watch this video.
Nu, nog een keer in het Nederlands. Gelderland, Met de keel G. En Zee/Sea. Land. En dan nog Flevoland? Het blokkeert, onze oude zee Haven/Port. Ik kan zonder mijn zeilbootje. Er gewoon bijna, heen lopen. Groetjes uit Spakenburg, Nederland.
@gerbentvandeveen, mooie Germaanse naam hedde gy. Gerbern = beer met de speer.
Friesland = Freyasland from the Germanic goddess of love
Limburg = Dragonfort from lintworm an old extinct type of dragon (not the parasite) and burcht meaning mountain or fortress.
Drenthe is just like saying rente(d) in English or caliente in Spanish.
I live in province . Utrecht
We don't have any frisian heritage pride here in Groningen. The population is mosty Dutch and Lower Saxonic
You missed Flevoland... very good pronounciation though.
There is actually a better channel that i know for names and countries/states.
He actually try’s to pronounce the name and his research is topnotch. Sometimes he has multiple theories for one name.
Which is actually quite cool. Also he shows it in a very easy graphic to see it clear.
His name is GENERAL KNOWLEDGE.
The one that is narating this is an Englishman so his pronounciaten is in english and not dutch
Crazy that an American can name 11 out of 12 provinces. I think the average Dutchman can name less.
Flevoland is the last and newest province ,The extreme side of Friesland is called West Friesland, so that is not North Holland.❤
8:49 there is no south brabant...only north and west brabant
Flevoland is the one you missed
Not one of the provincien, but there is still a Cariben part of the country 🏝️
Im from Lelystad, Flevoland on the bottom of the former Southern-sea, thus from about 16 feet below sea level. Your pronunciations are way better than the narrators.
Most Dutch sports fans cheer for Holland instead of for the Netherlands national sportsmen,sportswoman and or teams. At least you know better LOL
Beasty boys say ""No sleep till Breukelen!"";)
There is a lot wrong with this video you react on. The name Gelre has its origin on gel rode where gel means fertile and rode means clearing/ cultivation (of land that was forested or 'wild').
Zeeland, New Zealand got its name from it..
You said Zeeland correctly, the narrator was so wrong :D
Pun: "Er gaat niets boven Groningen"
Narrator sucked at the pronunciations. Yours are really rather good and would be understood correctly in the Netherlands without any issues.
The whole explanation of Brabant is way off. The split is because of the Dutch Revolt (aka 80years war). The name is a combination of ‘braec’ (swampy) and ‘bant’ (region).
Would be nice if someone making a video about the naming of provinces, would actually take the time to know how to pronounce them. You did way better Charlie.
Pretty hard to do for a non native dutch speaker without having a native dutch speaker to correct you when going off rail.
@@BlacksmithTWD Since when is pretty hard a reason to produce inaccurate videos? I don't mind him making these mistakes, I do mind that he's spreading these on the internet to other people. Charlie doubting his pronunciation should be a clear example.
@@user-xi6nk4xs4s Seeing all inaccuracies in youtube videos, I don't think the makers of these required a reason. In general, I don't think people need a reason to make a mistake, on the contrary, the two concepts tend to exclude each other as by definition a mistake is something not done on purpose while something done based on a reason is something done on purpose.
Perhaps you should uphold the rather high standard you seem to have for youtube videos to apply to the youtube comments you place as well?
@@BlacksmithTWD Not to make the mistake, but as I mentioned before, if you want to spread information, other standards apply in my opinion. We're talking about an informational video, from someone, one may assume, who has at least some minor interest in language. If I would create informational videos, I would apply those standards to myself as well, if for no other reason than that the information doesn't come across due to my own inaccuracies. Thank you for placing my comments on the same level as creating videos, but I don't think that is justified.
Groningen
You pronounced Overijssel en Zeeland better, the others I think he was a bit better at, but still not perfect.
9:35 yours are correct, Charlie, AI isn't as intelligent as the I in it suposes it to be...
Charlie, this is just a little information. The Netherlands are as difference as Italy
Fresena = Free, so Frisian = free people, idc what anyone says
The way you pronounce overijssel is right. The narrator in the video has it wrong ;)
Incredible. You are more knowledgable about us, then the people here (yes, that includes those that pretend to be nationalists)
No dude, you pronounced it better it is your version of overijssel
flevoland is the other 1
Don't worry about the pronounciations; as several others have noticed the video was in average more off than you.
I don't think the Drenthe one is correct.
Tvihanti (later Twente region) and Thrihanti (later Drenthe province) were two tribes that lived in those areas. These were the names that the Romans gave them, they were translated from Twihantōz en Þrihantōz.
This guy in the video says overrijsel completely wrong
No no your Overijssel was way way way better than his. He said something more like 'of ijsel". You really said 'ovER ijssel' which is correct! Don't listen to this guy lmao you'd be ruining your hard work! Same with Zeeland, you're again correct :) So, good job.