When you grow up in an abusive home, and the abuse lasts a lifetime, it’s a lifelong struggle to forgive. It has been the work of a lifetime, but reaching the goal is priceless. Heavenly Father works miracles. It’s a loooong, hard struggle, but it can be done; have hope. My “trick”, see them as the children they were, when their minds were broken. You can do it.
I grew up in the church in an abusive home. I hated the church and I think I blamed the church. Wanted nothing to do with it. Learn about love and families forever on Sundays but home, all I felt as a child growing up was fear and anger. I’m 43 now. Left the church from 17-38. I still have some anger issues occasionally. Very active in church and serve in the bishopric. It is only because of a miracle in my life at age 15, no less, that I am active. Heavenly Father blessed me with an incredible spiritual experience that forever changed the trajectory of my life. I left church for a while anyhow but I went from feeling suicidal to there’s hope in life and purpose even during the inactivity. I don’t have all the answers, especially for some of the Church history but I do know this is Christ’s church on the Earth with the fullness of the gospel. I know Joseph Smith is a prophet called of God and restored this great Gospel and the priesthood with the help of Angels. I have longed since forgiven my father. Only recently did I realize I needed to forgive my mother who was a victim too. She finally divorced my dad when I was 11. I do love my family and look forward to better relationships on the other side. He passed 6 years ago.
This is a magnificent and insightful talk. I know what he says is true! The gospel is simple not complicated. Love, forgiveness, and repentance, along with obedience and sacrifice is what it is all about.
Truman Madsen baptized my father back in 1965 on the day that President Madsen was released from his service as the New England mission president. President Madsen gave his closing talk and my father said that he could not deny the spirit any longer. President Madsen made sure my father's baptism happened that evening. -a very grateful daughter
Wonderful. He was one of my favorite people at BYU. His spiritually is so deep that it streams from the sound of his voice into the deepest places of my heart.
@@lindamoses3697Did you know my grandpa then? He was a professor at this same time and into the 80's. Glenn L Pearson. Professor of Religion and of The Book of Mormon.
I have clung to the message of this speech throughout my life and it’s helped me forgive and keep trying to love when it’s hard, to keep a temple recommend even though I often do not understand what I do in there, and to hope for more love and more understanding as the years go by. I had the speech on a cassette tape which is now lost. I’ve heard it on CD but I never saw him delivering it before, nor saw the crowd who originally received it. 👏👏👏
Understanding temple symbolism must be a lifetime achievement. I aim towards inviting the spirit and hope for enlightenment as I am ready to hear. Don’t feel alone 🤓
❤ have you read the book by Anthony Sweat called The Holy Covenants? It helped me understand what I was doing in the temple. Thank you for your message. May God bless you...❤
Thank you for making this and other talks by Brother Madsen available. He is truly insightful. His insights help bring us closer to Christ and perfection.
My dear friend Truman how I miss sitting in your office and our discussions thank you for having these recorded it's like sitting in your office all over again I miss you tremendously
great talk!! If you do not forgive, in you is the greater sin. Forgiveness is Christ's way! We need a broken heart and a contrite spirit. I'll be studying those 2 phrases.
That was such a wonderful speech, given by Truman G Madsen! I’m so happy I’ve just found this on UA-cam! Thank you very much to any and all here! I have been drawn to Truman Madsen over the years, hearing bits and pieces of speeches he gave and hearing his voice, which I love! He was a great man and I’m sure a great force for good at BYU! This was a very good topic about Elijah & us!!!
44 years ago. I am sure he and Elder Maxwell and Hugh Nibly and CS Lewis and the Lord are having a good talk. I am sure even these minds listened more then spoke.
My grandpa was among those men along with Gerald Lund. My grandpa, though, refused the church and the school to use his name on pretty much everything he wrote and co-wrote with needed incredible brethren. Glenn L Pearson I
We met him in Augsburg Germany where we served with the 101 Airborne and he held a conference for the Southern Germany area. This speech was held about 10 years after our time in Augsburg. But he did these conferences every year of our own service time. He always was in high demand for speaking engagements all around the church everywhere.
11:38 is about when my very young (at the time) parents started whispering to each other in the audience and you can see them in the middle of the frame. 😊 Looks like my mom was asking my dad a question. @Betty Pearson @Karl Pearson My Grandpa was a professor at BYU during this time. A professor of religion, and Truman and he became good friends. My Grandpa wouldn't speak at these or put his name on the many manuals and literature he wrote for the church's organizations or co-wrote with Truman Madsen, Gerald Lund, and many others. I wish he had, though. I sure miss him.
Deep doctrine i just learn now - Elijah and Enoch will be the prophets who will be slain in Jerusalem before Jesus' second coming? Wow! I love this knowledge.
Is it perhaps a reference to Revelation 11. 8? I am not LDS, but I know that many Christians think Elijah will be one of those two witnesses seen by John in the vision in the book of Revelation.
It is specifically a rabbinical tradition. It is not scriptural. There are a few different beliefs on it from the rabbinical teachings: Elijah, Moses, and Enoch are mentioned because Elijah and Moses called down fire from heaven, as these two prophets are foretold to do, and Enoch has traces of the JST of Genesis 14, I believe, where he was said to set at defiance the armies of nations, also as these two prophets are foretold to do. Rabbinical tradition also states that they will be named David, or descend from David. Rabbinical traditions are generally ancient teachings and can't be relied upon, just as maybe a Gospel Doctrine class may not be 100% right because it is just a commentary on the scriptures. You may note that all three of the ancient prophets mentioned can't be two prophets and are neither named David nor descendants of David. So they aren't all correct. I personally think that these will be modern-day mortals who are given keys to do there things, as the ancient prophets also were. Possibly given to them by the ancient prophets themselves, as Joseph Smith was.
At 10:30 to 11:10 He said our loved ones who have passed on know our thoughts and emotions yet in D&C 6:16 the Lord says only God knows our thoughts? Can I get some clarity on this.
Only God knows our thoughts, but if those who have passed on are allowed to see our doings, they will have a pretty good idea about many of our thoughts. And they may be inspired by the Spirit to understand what we are thinking. The Spirit can give them revelation, and we are part of their stewardship.
@@lafeharris8471 Lafe, I think you gave a perfect answer, because it can be understood by many. And I have found out for myself that it’s true that we are much more connected to our ancestors than we usually realize.
When you grow up in an abusive home, and the abuse lasts a lifetime, it’s a lifelong struggle to forgive. It has been the work of a lifetime, but reaching the goal is priceless. Heavenly Father works miracles. It’s a loooong, hard struggle, but it can be done; have hope. My “trick”, see them as the children they were, when their minds were broken. You can do it.
And pray to see them the way that the Savior does. That helps me.
I'm still trying but the gospel and this beautiful talk gives me hope and incentive and guidance. It's always ongoing just like LIFE!
I grew up in the church in an abusive home. I hated the church and I think I blamed the church. Wanted nothing to do with it. Learn about love and families forever on Sundays but home, all I felt as a child growing up was fear and anger. I’m 43 now. Left the church from 17-38. I still have some anger issues occasionally. Very active in church and serve in the bishopric. It is only because of a miracle in my life at age 15, no less, that I am active. Heavenly Father blessed me with an incredible spiritual experience that forever changed the trajectory of my life. I left church for a while anyhow but I went from feeling suicidal to there’s hope in life and purpose even during the inactivity. I don’t have all the answers, especially for some of the Church history but I do know this is Christ’s church on the Earth with the fullness of the gospel. I know Joseph Smith is a prophet called of God and restored this great Gospel and the priesthood with the help of Angels. I have longed since forgiven my father. Only recently did I realize I needed to forgive my mother who was a victim too. She finally divorced my dad when I was 11. I do love my family and look forward to better relationships on the other side. He passed 6 years ago.
This talk is as relevant today as it was in "1977.
I love the speech elder Truman G Madson a great message.
This is a magnificent and insightful talk. I know what he says is true! The gospel is simple not complicated. Love, forgiveness, and repentance, along with obedience and sacrifice is what it is all about.
Perfect principles. Thank you for saving this talk and making it available.
Man Am i soo glad i found this Speech and listened to it.
@@carolswarbrick1722 Yeah I needed this...
Truman Madsen baptized my father back in 1965 on the day that President Madsen was released from his service as the New England mission president.
President Madsen gave his closing talk and my father said that he could not deny the spirit any longer.
President Madsen made sure my father's baptism happened that evening. -a very grateful daughter
Wonderful. He was one of my favorite people at BYU. His spiritually is so deep that it streams from the sound of his voice into the deepest places of my heart.
Congratulations on your father's baptism. I'm glad it happened.
I'd love to hear a message from where he is now, after maybe meeting Elijah
That is a Wonderful thing sister in Zion😊
@@lindamoses3697Did you know my grandpa then? He was a professor at this same time and into the 80's. Glenn L Pearson. Professor of Religion and of The Book of Mormon.
I have clung to the message of this speech throughout my life and it’s helped me forgive and keep trying to love when it’s hard, to keep a temple recommend even though I often do not understand what I do in there, and to hope for more love and more understanding as the years go by. I had the speech on a cassette tape which is now lost. I’ve heard it on CD but I never saw him delivering it before, nor saw the crowd who originally received it. 👏👏👏
Understanding temple symbolism must be a lifetime achievement. I aim towards inviting the spirit and hope for enlightenment as I am ready to hear. Don’t feel alone 🤓
Yes! And I also. Thank You for your encouraging words.
yes, I always loved his talks, the book Eternal Man is a book of his that I love
❤ have you read the book by Anthony Sweat called The Holy Covenants? It helped me understand what I was doing in the temple. Thank you for your message. May God bless you...❤
Thank you for making this and other talks by Brother Madsen available. He is truly insightful. His insights help bring us closer to Christ and perfection.
We sure loved all the years of "AH-HA" moments experienced through Bro. Madsen's teaching.
My dear friend Truman how I miss sitting in your office and our discussions thank you for having these recorded it's like sitting in your office all over again I miss you tremendously
great talk!! If you do not forgive, in you is the greater sin. Forgiveness is Christ's way! We need a broken heart and a contrite spirit. I'll be studying those 2 phrases.
I have been studying those same topics and added this one. Come into Christ with a full purpose of heart.
I Love His understanding and incouragement!
It was a wonderful and informative talk! Loved everything and ever word!
Wow! We needed this great talk! Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
That was such a wonderful speech, given by Truman G Madsen! I’m so happy I’ve just found this on UA-cam! Thank you very much to any and all here! I have been drawn to Truman Madsen over the years, hearing bits and pieces of speeches he gave and hearing his voice, which I love! He was a great man and I’m sure a great force for good at BYU! This was a very good topic about Elijah & us!!!
I love to hear him speak. He spoke truth so powerfully.
A beautiful and powerful talk. A timeless talk.
Ohh I just love each one of his talks!
Watch some of his classes and they are fantastic and very much appreciated 😊❤️
I love Truman Madsen!
A great mind, and a great message.
44 years ago. I am sure he and Elder Maxwell and Hugh Nibly and CS Lewis and the Lord are having a good talk. I am sure even these minds listened more then spoke.
My grandpa was among those men along with Gerald Lund.
My grandpa, though, refused the church and the school to use his name on pretty much everything he wrote and co-wrote with needed incredible brethren.
Glenn L Pearson I
This was given back then but its so true. Family is under attack and some think neglecting family is the way forward
We met him in Augsburg Germany where we served with the 101 Airborne and he held a conference for the Southern Germany area. This speech was held about 10 years after our time in Augsburg. But he did these conferences every year of our own service time. He always was in high demand for speaking engagements all around the church everywhere.
My husband served with the 101st Airborne Division.
But it was ~10 years ago. 😊
Love Truman G
This is golden!
I am pleased to know
11:38 is about when my very young (at the time) parents started whispering to each other in the audience and you can see them in the middle of the frame. 😊 Looks like my mom was asking my dad a question.
@Betty Pearson @Karl Pearson
My Grandpa was a professor at BYU during this time. A professor of religion, and Truman and he became good friends.
My Grandpa wouldn't speak at these or put his name on the many manuals and literature he wrote for the church's organizations or co-wrote with Truman Madsen, Gerald Lund, and many others. I wish he had, though. I sure miss him.
He is speaking without notes!
The truth you have revealed in this about Elijah having inspired me beyond what you have said again I have been so enriched by what you say
He is my favourite.
Deep doctrine i just learn now - Elijah and Enoch will be the prophets who will be slain in Jerusalem before Jesus' second coming? Wow! I love this knowledge.
so good
I like his humorous touch at the beginning, haha.
At the beginning of his speech I laughed with a mouthful of food. I feel so much love for people, they're cuter than puppied
💖
Who knows the reference he mentions at 17:15 about Elijah being one of the dead prophets in the streets before the second coming?
I believe it is found in Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
He expounds on this in another lecture here on YT. He gives several reasons for the speculation, and they sound very good to me.
Is it perhaps a reference to Revelation 11. 8? I am not LDS, but I know that many Christians think Elijah will be one of those two witnesses seen by John in the vision in the book of Revelation.
It is specifically a rabbinical tradition. It is not scriptural. There are a few different beliefs on it from the rabbinical teachings: Elijah, Moses, and Enoch are mentioned because Elijah and Moses called down fire from heaven, as these two prophets are foretold to do, and Enoch has traces of the JST of Genesis 14, I believe, where he was said to set at defiance the armies of nations, also as these two prophets are foretold to do.
Rabbinical tradition also states that they will be named David, or descend from David.
Rabbinical traditions are generally ancient teachings and can't be relied upon, just as maybe a Gospel Doctrine class may not be 100% right because it is just a commentary on the scriptures.
You may note that all three of the ancient prophets mentioned can't be two prophets and are neither named David nor descendants of David. So they aren't all correct.
I personally think that these will be modern-day mortals who are given keys to do there things, as the ancient prophets also were. Possibly given to them by the ancient prophets themselves, as Joseph Smith was.
Scholarly.
At 10:30 to 11:10 He said our loved ones who have passed on know our thoughts and emotions yet in D&C 6:16 the Lord says only God knows our thoughts? Can I get some clarity on this.
Only God knows our thoughts, but if those who have passed on are allowed to see our doings, they will have a pretty good idea about many of our thoughts. And they may be inspired by the Spirit to understand what we are thinking. The Spirit can give them revelation, and we are part of their stewardship.
@@lafeharris8471 Lafe, I think you gave a perfect answer, because it can be understood by many. And I have found out for myself that it’s true that we are much more connected to our ancestors than we usually realize.
So what was the closing song???????
It will be revealed in due time and then your joy will be full.