and in the same time Quebec City still not have a team when they have a brand new arena next gen with 18000 seats, a buyers to buy the team, crazy hockey fans and a full province ready to go watch Nordiques play and revive the biggest and most intence rivality in Nhal history between Nordiques vs Montreal. for us in Québec City its a pure shame
How many new NHL fans does the NHL get by moving the Coyotes to Quebec? The NHL does not consider placing teams in already saturated markets. Right or wrong, it's how the owners and board of governors view expansion.
They actually don’t have buyers and there are doubts if they actually could fill it. For starters, it’s a small city in Canada so there is no companies there. Then there’s also the fact that it would be half the size of SLC and the smallest market in the league aside from Winnipeg (who QC barely beats out). And Winnipeg can’t even fill their 15,000-seat building every night
@@GoalHornGeek the jets can't fill their arena because of the economic climate in Canada. Winnipeg has been hit pretty hard by an unfavorable economy.
New fan here because of Kraken but I remember the name Nordiques and why on earth Salt Lake just stepped in. Just totally unfair! I am so sorry. Seattle lost the Sonics in 2010. Totally insane.
You’re treating this as rumor, but the owner said in the press conference yesterday that they are renovating the Delta Center, using “new technology” (removing beams and stuff I think) to make it a good experience for both sports. Ryan Smith (the owner) was asked like 5 different questions about the arena and he said every time that they aren’t building new they want to renovate the existing Delta Center because they like its location downtown. The mayor was there and confirmed the plans and Garry Beckman was there and said on camera that he saw the plans and thinks it will be a great NHL arena once it’s renovated. He also confirmed the Jazz (the basketball team) will continue to play there and even stated that this renovation will also improve the experience for basketball too.
My opinion is Smith feels the pressure to appease the State and Salt Lake city in keeping them downtown. Just because they say they can renovate the Delta center to configure a better hockey arena does not mean that is a solution and 17k will become very obsolete in a short period of time. I hope Smith uses his own common sense in this decision and not be arm twisted into a short term solution just because a bunch of bureaucrats want them in downtown Salt Lake and within 5 years we are back to needing a new arena. That is what will happen.
@@jeffmorgan9337 It is a sales tax. Not an income tax mandated to everyone. A billion investment is not a bad idea. Raising taxes on people to renovate that part of the city would be much more expensive than a billion. Same situation with the MLB new ballpark if the city had to spend money to renovate that area, which really has become an abandoned area eyesoar.
@@musekic4654 That's where they were talking about putting a potential baseball stadium, I hadn't heard if they would put a basketball/hockey arena out there as well (or instead)
Oh yes, the Delta center as is is very doable for a couple seasons. At the least they can make it a 14k arena even if using some of the obstructed seats and nobody would really complain. Perhaps a discount ticket for a not so great seat.
@@ericbowers1620 Ah yes, the hilarious "you've never been!!" argument from Coyotes fans. Nobody gives a shit about the ice. They were a pro team in a broom closet. It was a joke.
They already have 20000 deposits for season tickets with arena that can hold 12000 unobstructed and 4000 obstructed i live in utah i hope they tear down old delta center build bigger one that can accommodate at least 20000 hockey fans utah has a high demand for professional sports including hockey, people who dont live here and doubt the market do not know what they are talking about.
Josh, I agree that Metropolitan SLC will support hockey very well, despite being much smaller than Metropolitan Phoenix. My adult son lived there a few years and played in several beer leagues, so it’s clear SLC likes hockey. I also agree that Delta Center is not a good long term hockey arena. Ryan Smith and the franchise owners will either need to build a new, longer arena which can hold a hockey rink and at least 18,000 seats, or tear out one end of Delta Center to make it long enough to do the same. I really don’t know which is a better economic answer. That depends on land and infrastructure costs of building new versus the MAJOR rehab needed on Delta Center. Delta Center at least has all the infrastructure already in place. Seattle did an over-the-top renovation of Key Center, becoming Climate Pledge Arena, by raising the roof and lowering the lower bowl. I’ll bet it would have been cheaper to build a new arena from scratch, but there was a lot of politics and a lot of “preservationalists” wanting to breathe new life into a historic arena (which dated back to the 1962 World’s Fair in Seattle).
Curious to their plan. The upper deck will still have seats where you won’t see the near goal. Unless their plan is to lengthen the area both upper and lower bowls. Interested to see the plan.
Rogers Centre was changing the arrangement of seats and going lower into the ground for a better view. What would have to happen at the Delta Center is different. It's an operation of adding space, they'd have to go deep into the ground to make the lower bowl wider and it may affect the upper bowl too. To took Seattle two years to do this recently and same the thing with Portland back in the 90s. I 100% believe it will end up being a new stadium. Edit: they might play at the maverick center during renovations
Yup….obstruction city! What I dont get is they have to do something to this arena 2-3 Renovation….and the Yotes get that land and a brand new arena in about 3-4…why bother move the team then??? Just lose more money like they have been for 3-4 more years then make it happen in 2027. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
People are making a bigger deal out of this than it actually is. Is the current arena configuration for Hockey ideal? No. But the Delta Center is still a huge step up from a 5000 seat college rink, lmao. Ryan Smith explained in the press conference yesterday that they've decided to renovate the Delta Center instead of building a new arena, because lawmakers made it clear to him that they don't want either team to play outside of Downtown (and there's simply nowhere to build a new arena in Downtown.) It will also allow more money to go to everything else, like player housing and other development around the arena
Seriously it's ridiculous that this is such a huge issue right now. People are trying to make this problem for two reasons: A) clicks, and B) jealousy that Utah is getting a team.
@@keithck3720 Ok, true, I completely forgot that tbh (Im new to Hockey) regardless, Winnipeg lost them, now Arizona did. No other potential owner was pushing as hard as Ryan Smith for this team. I wish people could just be happy for Utah, lol
Actually I heard him say something different. He said they would further investigate the possibility if it is even feasible to modify the Delta Center. My hunch is the cost to just add 3 maybe 4k seats isn't worth it and a 17k outcome will be obsolete within 5 years. Smith seems to feel an obligation to appease the bureaucrats only interested in renovating the area and keeping the teams in downtown Salt Lake. I don't believe Smith ever even originally had any thoughts or plans to modify the Delta Center, IMO.
@@georgehigh4723 nah according to Garry Bettman and Ryan Smith its 4000 obstructed seats and 12000 good seats. They planned to make it 17.5k hockey friendly seats over the next 2 years
If you would’ve watched the press conference yesterday, you would know that they are not building a new arena. They want to keep have the NBA and NHL downtown and there is not land to do that. The plan is to do a MAJOR renovation of the current arena. The exterior of the building is also going to be completely redone and extended. The new entrance to the building will face east. It won’t even look recognizable. The renderings that were released a few weeks ago are indeed the current Delta center. They haven’t released the full plans yet, but I speculate that the upper bowl will be left in place while the lower bowl will be completely blown out and expanded underneath the lower bowl … it could actually end up being a very unique arena. That’s very good for both hockey and basketball. The lower bowl is completely below grade so this is definitely possible. I think what we’re going to end up with is a lower bowl that’s a completely different shapes than the upper bowl.
@@mattreedah That’s correct. A lot of people spewing BS fail to realize that when you put a 200 foot long hockey rink into a basketball designed arena, the entire upper bowl behind the goal is useless, because you CAN’T SEE THE GOAL BENEATH YOU!! I live in San Antonio. The Frost Bank (formerly AT&T) Center was built for the SA Spurs. We also had an AHL Hockey team, the Rampage. For Spurs games, it held over 18,000. For Rampage games, they collapsed the entire lower bowl behind the west goal, and didn’t sell seats in the upper bowl behind the west goal. In that configuration, seating was about 12,500. Perfectly fine for minor league hockey, but not for NHL. Without a MAJOR re-construction of the Delta Center, it will have the same problem Phoenix had with America West Arena where the Coyotes first played. AWA was and still is a basketball designed arena!
this you tube channel seems to look age as a decided factor for facility to get replaced, but as you already stated why a new arena is not the plan in Utah.
Name one other potential NHL expansion city that is being asked by the IOC to host back to back Winter Olympics. Salt Lake is committed to winter sports for the Long Haul. They have the finances, they have the government support, they have competent management, and they have the fan support. There is NO better Market for the NHL to expand into. Utah was the right choice. With just a teeny tiny bit of patience you will see that the Utah NHL team will have all of their needs met with facilities that live up to NHL standards.
Also, they’re not debating the name. It’s going to be Yeti. The issue is having jerseys and merch ready to roll out. My guess is they will try for XMas break next season but I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen till fall 2025.
As a kid I watched several seasons of Golden Eagles hockey and didn’t have any issues. That was 30 years ago though and the Delta Center has gone through renovations since for more basketball oriented crowds. Here’s to hoping they build a new one.
Hockey was not played there during the 2002 Winter Olympics. They played at the Maverick Center (then known as E center.) Delta was only used for ice skating, however, they of course had the same issues as mentioned here.
The Delta Center did not host hockey during the 2002 Olympics, they were held at the Maverik Center in West Valley City (which is a hockey specific arena).
No new Arena! Smiths said renovation. Not sure what the plan will be. Smith said the plan will be to build a village next to arena. Nothing wrong with Delta center. Just spent 300M for new seats, scoreboard, clubs.
Honest question, why the hell do they ever build arenas that are basketball only in orientation??? Complete idiocy. There's been countless times where suddenly a basketball only arena needs to be utilized for hockey and it's always a terrible experience when it just doesn't have to be that way. Why would they spend so much money on an arena that's only good for a small portion of its potential purposes???
Utah Jazz missed out having an apropos name. Slam is a noise, hockey is a noisy game with body checks and pucks being slapped into a net. Invariably, there is a fight where someone gets slammed to the ice. So, UTAH SLAM with the SL giving a nod to Salt Lake. A Batman type sound bubble with SLAM! inside logo.
I could be wrong but my understanding after watching the press conference they're not building a whole new arena they're just going renovate the whole arena the plans that were going to be apart of the new arena will be added to the delta center
The situation with hockey at the Delta Center mirrors the problems the NY Islanders had when they played their games at Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a few years: smaller capacity, obstructed views of the rink! I remember how many Islanders fans were angered about the bad seating and sightlines...
Look, it's better than the 5000-seat arena the Coyotes played in. And if SLC wins the bid for 2034 Winter Olympics, problem solved since they're going to build a new arena and some sort of agreement will be reached. Until then they're only going to invest the necessary minimum to the existing arena but not much beyond that.
On what to do w/ Delta Center after new arena: Keep it for Olympics plus, if/when the Coyotes come back I imagine they will also take back the Tuscon Roadrunners as their AHL team, leaving the Utah team without one. They just put a bunch of money into making Delta Center viable for hockey. Expand the AHL into the Delta center to act as Utah's AHL affiliate.
That Delta Arena hockey configuration eliminates the high priced ice level seats near the boards. So only 12,000 seat while have fewer high priced seats. Great economics??? The arena will feel empty like during Covid and the crowds will barely be heard.
That stadium can be renovated to fit nhl hockey properly, however it would have to be closed. Why? Because they'd have to dig lower into the ground to make this thing fit like what they did in Seattle. So because of that theyll eventually say new arena. They approved money for the arena and a baseball stadium. Two billion dollars, one for each sport. Nhl jumped on the opportunity first before baseball could make a move. It will likely be a new arena unless there construction workers can guarantee to a renovation without interrupting the schedule. Edit: they'll like play at the Maverick Center during renovations
I remember Barclays Center's Hockey Configuration when I went to see the Islanders games there, It's was the same thing what the Coyotes dealt with in their early years where they playing out same arena as the Suns. The setup at the Delta Center is even worse that both ends of the ice surface are obstructed, unlike Footprint Center & Barclays Center both had one end of the ice surface was obstructed. One other problem of note with Barclays Center that needs to be known, The ice quality in that building was very poor and was difficult to maintain.
No, the previous owner of the franchise retains rights to the name and brand. That was a big part of the deal. We wouldn't want that name or brand anyway. Utah needs to make it its own.
Not sure the exact plans but the gateway center is across the street from the Delta Center and was an entertainment district for the 2002 Olympics that’s rather died over the years. If they tear it down and build the new arena there, they could tear down the delta center and use that land as part of the new entertainment district along with any leftover land from the gateway
Delta Center hosted figure skating and short track speed skating for the 2002 Olympics, so the obstructed views weren't as big of a deal. The Maverik Center, home of the ECHL's Utah Grizzlies, is where Olympic hockey was held.
Still a huge upgrade over Mullet Arena, and it's not like they're going to be playing there that long. They're getting a new arena for the Jazz & Utah NHL team in the next few years.
9:31 Realistically, you'd need two separate ice arenas for the Olympics - one for hockey and one for figure skating. So keeping the Delta Center through 2034 with the potential new arena makes some sense in that regard.
They’ve got their work cut out as far as a renovation goes. I thought they had $900 million or some ungodly sum hoisted from the public for a new arena already? You can get an arena built in 24 months without having to pay premiums for materials. Anything short of that, the costs goes skyward. But 900 million?? Just put the shovels in the ground and design it while they’re building the foundation. Sheesh
Smith is being pressured and arm twisted by bureaucrats with short term goals in keeping them in downtown SLC. The only long term solution is to demo the Delta center and rebuild. A reconfigured expensive make over to just get 17k hockey seats will not be a long term solution and we will be right back to we need a new stadium. Hate to see the Delta Center go but in the end if keeping both teams downtown is the goal, it is the only way.
I think This Delta Center is fine. If they do build a new arena soon, get and have a PWHL team play here... like in Detroit, I think they should of kept the Joe for the PWHL Detroit lady's team. Yes, of course, renovate the Joe Louis Arena, because those steps that went up into the building and the steps in the seating bowl was too narrow. I also read that the Joe had people suing the building in the first 10 years of operation, because they kept getting hurt on the stairs.
Yeah, we knew the Delta Center was a poor place to play hockey. The basketball sight lines are different than hockey sight lines. The point is that there is a plan going forward in Salt Lake City. The only thing for the NHL in Arizona was a bunch of questions.
They should use the Delta Center for the figure skating and the short track speed skating events for the 2034 Winter Game. Just like they did with the Pacific Coliseum the former home of the NHL's Vancouver Canucks, when they used it for short track speed skating and figure skating during the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games
Earth to Phil. Renovations don’t cost much. So it doesn’t matter if they renovate Delta Center while the New Arena is being built. For example the Rams renovated the LA Coliseum while Sofi Stadium was being built.
There probably is pressure to get as many seats since hockey depends on arena attendance more so than other pro sports. They may want to have 2 arenas available for the Winter Olympics.
The answer to your question is that if Smith keeps them in downtown Salt Lake and decides renovating the Delta center doesn't really work, it will be demolished and a new arena built in its place. That is probably the best solution. Either way, if renovating or demo and rebuild happens, neither the Jazz or hockey will be playing there for at least 2 yrs. I don't see how the Maverick center does not be used for hockey and the Jazz playing at the University of Utah, which they have done before. Don't know where you got 18+k for basketball but I believe for basketball the number is around 20.7k.
Utah Hockey Club sounds like a good permanent name. All of these other names are just copies of other places or weird. You can use Utah Hockey Club as the name of the team and have a mascot of something like a Yeti (Whatever a Yeti is) or some other creature.
It is weird that they built the arena for the 2002 winter Olympics, where it hosted the hockey tournament and figure skating finals, and they didn’t build something that had better ice viewing potential.
Correct. They simply collapsed the seats behind the west end goal, and didn’t sell seats in the upper west end bowl. This resulted in about 12,000-13,000 good seats for hockey. Which is fine for AHL hockey. This is exactly the same problem that the Coyotes had when Winnipeg 1.0 moved to Phoenix. America West Arena in downtown Phoenix was built for Suns basketball, not hockey. Frustratingly, Toyota Center in downtown Houston is already perfectly suited for NHL hockey. It was built to be compatible for hockey right from the get-go, and holds over 17,500 for hockey. I THOUGHT the main reason Bettman approved the move to SLC was because they promised a new hockey-compatible arena would be built in SLC. Looks like Ryan Smith and SLC are already reneging on that promise!!! 🤮
Ryan Smith said at his presser that they plan to renovate and *NOT* build a new arena. He seemed pretty adamant about that and wanted to focus more on the neighborhood around the arena. He seemed to not be concerned at all about renovating versus building a totally new building because the new arena site would not be in the downtown area where he wants to keep the arena for both the Jazz/hockey team AND the Olympics, should they win that bid.
I believe Smith knows better than that and renovating the Delta center will not work long term.. He has to appease or feels obligated to appease a bunch of bureaucrats that only care he stay in Salt Lake city. We need a new arena and that is the reality. 17k will not cut it and we all know it. If he feels they should stay in downtown Salt Lake the long term solution is to just demo the Delta center and rebuild.
The Delta Center should do a complete renovation to better accommodate the new NHL Utah team. The Jazz hopefully will agree to make something happen now that it has a new indoor neighbor. I'm guessing that if there will be a renovation, it'll cost about (I'll just throw out a random number) $500M. I could be wrong and it may cost more than that. If I'm wrong, do share your opinions peeps.
Dude do you have any idea about arenas??? You cant renovate a basketball arena in order to accommodate hockey even if you spend 1 billion, unless you tear the whole building down and build a new one
Absolutely correct. The angles of the folding seats at either end of this arena are incredibly steep. I don't see how you correct this and still have a viable number of seats to make a difference.
I imagine they'll do it by extending the lower bowl at the top, and removing seats at the bottom. Of course the exterior of the building will have to be extended to accommodate.
That is what needs to happen, I think Smith already knows this but he seems to feel obligated to the bureaucrats that all they see is keeping both NBA and NHL in downtown Salt Lake. Mark my words, 17k will not cut it and we will be right back to saying we need a new stadium within 5 yrs, hell maybe even one year.
It seems they aren’t building a new arena and putting hundreds of millions into the Delta Center renovation to accommodate the NHL and NBA teams. Delta Center is in a great location which they understand and just going to make the arena NHL ready and much better. When done I’m sure will be great for many years
If they wanted a more viable arena there are other cities that should have been considered to relocate the Coyotes to and then go to Salt Lake City as an expansion after a proper arena is built. It is stupid that for Canada there are insane requirements to get a team and in the US there are virtually none other then the money.
Why not the Utah Coyotes? That’s what the Titans did their first two seasons after leaving Houston and moving to Tennessee, they went with Tennessee Oilers then rebranded as the Tennessee Titans. Arizona can get the Coyotes name back if/ when they build an arena, kinda like the Hornets though it wasn’t planned like this, they moved to New Orleans, Charlotte received an expansion team two years later, named the Bobcats, it wasn’t until a decade later under new ownership did New Orleans want their own identity picking the Pelicans which is the state bird, they even rewrote history giving Charlotte their history back from 1988-2002 and Hornets name, colors. I just think a generic Utah Hockey Team is so lame.
Sounds like to me and call me crazy. Maybe they could’ve brought the team somewhere where there was ALREADY an arena ready to go like Quebec with a hot market for hockey…. Just a thought
Utah is building a new arena for strictly nhl hockey & Olympic hockey ice. Jazz will keep their own home, salt lake will make a new home for the NHL team..
It's mind boggling that they would take a billion dollar idea and such a huge change for an organization and the league and just rush it through with an arena like this. Honestly if I lived in Utah I would rather hear I'm getting a team in a year or two that will have a state of the art facility that will impress the whole league. But delaying gratification isn't cool anymore.
If it’s only 12,000 seats and they’re planning on getting a new arena, I don’t understand why they don’t play at the Maverick Center. It’s 15 minutes from the Delta Center and it holds about the same amount of people but it doesn’t have the eye sore of the pushed up seats
They need to switch to Big Ice. The players are so fast, they need more room to skate. Start with one arena and eventually they'll all be converted. I don't care if it takes 10 years to get all arenas to Big Ice, it needs to be done.
And as a side note I think the Kings take the Frozen Fury game to Mexico in 2025. It’s a good vehicle to test the waters for a team (ask SLC and Vegas). Would be a good market to expand to. This is where being part owned by Phil Anschutz/AEG helps.
*hence* they are remolding it over the next few summers with new technology to fit 17.5 for hockey, and we had 30k show up today just for play introductions....
I thought that the Olympics were coming to Utah again which would have a new rink built for the Olympics. And then they will use that one. Maybe I heard that wrong
Be easier probably but costs more money Ryan Smith has money build new arena in same location or near by make it for both sports like so many do. Play in Delta Center till new stadium ready. This reminds me of Barclay's in Brooklyn was liker that for hockey and failed for Islanders not saying happen here. Can do minor stuff to adjust for it if can't get new arena build quickly
They're planning on renovating 100%. I watched the press conference.
Yea. But apparently they got a 900 million dollar arena getting built for the olympiques bid.
@@TheBlazersfan22that money can be used to remodel or do a new stadium
@@TheBlazersfan22 The money was approved to be a new arena for the Jazz but since it hasn’t built yet it can be redesigned to fit NHL team as well.
If only the Suns’ owners had been willing to do this in Phoenix, this video and comment section would not exist
In the meantime they should play at the Maverik Center in West Valley. It’s a decent sized arena at 12,000.
This guy😂 he could do a 10 minute video on a renovation to a McDonald’s
A Mackdonalds with a retractable roof
That Mac Donald’s is dump it. It was built 2 years ago
@@jdspreestand drinking rails with standing room, maybe a rooftop district
Small upper deck
At least the Delta Center is still a major upgrade over Mullet Arena.
Lightyears better than the Mullet
So would the Maverik Center. And the MC is literally built for the purpose of hockey. Capacity of 12,000, it’s a great temporary solution.
Ever been? Didnt think so :)
@@dragonkingsports Maverick would need a big upgrade. It was pretty rough even for an ECHL arena.
and in the same time Quebec City still not have a team when they have a brand new arena next gen with 18000 seats, a buyers to buy the team, crazy hockey fans and a full province ready to go watch Nordiques play and revive the biggest and most intence rivality in Nhal history between Nordiques vs Montreal. for us in Québec City its a pure shame
How many new NHL fans does the NHL get by moving the Coyotes to Quebec?
The NHL does not consider placing teams in already saturated markets.
Right or wrong, it's how the owners and board of governors view expansion.
They actually don’t have buyers and there are doubts if they actually could fill it. For starters, it’s a small city in Canada so there is no companies there. Then there’s also the fact that it would be half the size of SLC and the smallest market in the league aside from Winnipeg (who QC barely beats out). And Winnipeg can’t even fill their 15,000-seat building every night
@@GoalHornGeek the jets can't fill their arena because of the economic climate in Canada. Winnipeg has been hit pretty hard by an unfavorable economy.
New fan here because of Kraken but I remember the name Nordiques and why on earth Salt Lake just stepped in. Just totally unfair! I am so sorry. Seattle lost the Sonics in 2010. Totally insane.
I’m glad the coyotes are not in Quebec
You’re treating this as rumor, but the owner said in the press conference yesterday that they are renovating the Delta Center, using “new technology” (removing beams and stuff I think) to make it a good experience for both sports. Ryan Smith (the owner) was asked like 5 different questions about the arena and he said every time that they aren’t building new they want to renovate the existing Delta Center because they like its location downtown. The mayor was there and confirmed the plans and Garry Beckman was there and said on camera that he saw the plans and thinks it will be a great NHL arena once it’s renovated. He also confirmed the Jazz (the basketball team) will continue to play there and even stated that this renovation will also improve the experience for basketball too.
My opinion is Smith feels the pressure to appease the State and Salt Lake city in keeping them downtown. Just because they say they can renovate the Delta center to configure a better hockey arena does not mean that is a solution and 17k will become very obsolete in a short period of time. I hope Smith uses his own common sense in this decision and not be arm twisted into a short term solution just because a bunch of bureaucrats want them in downtown Salt Lake and within 5 years we are back to needing a new arena. That is what will happen.
So how much to taxpayers who have no interest ?
@@jeffmorgan9337 It is a sales tax. Not an income tax mandated to everyone. A billion investment is not a bad idea. Raising taxes on people to renovate that part of the city would be much more expensive than a billion. Same situation with the MLB new ballpark if the city had to spend money to renovate that area, which really has become an abandoned area eyesoar.
@@musekic4654 That's where they were talking about putting a potential baseball stadium, I hadn't heard if they would put a basketball/hockey arena out there as well (or instead)
@@musekic4654 That is the area that the MLB baseball stadium is going to be located.
Although the Utah Stadium situation is not ideal, it's still miles ahead of the Mullet Arena fiasco.
Very true. I’d much rather go to the Delta Center than the freakin Mullet lol
Oh yes, the Delta center as is is very doable for a couple seasons. At the least they can make it a 14k arena even if using some of the obstructed seats and nobody would really complain. Perhaps a discount ticket for a not so great seat.
Ever been? Not the fiasco youre referring to. Had some of the best ice in the league :)
@@ericbowers1620 Ah yes, the hilarious "you've never been!!" argument from Coyotes fans.
Nobody gives a shit about the ice. They were a pro team in a broom closet. It was a joke.
Quebec City literally has a beautiful 18,000 capacity stadium for their QMJHL team. This is absurd, move the team to Quebec City
better than the mullett
the point this video is trying to make could be made in three minutes but this dudes ability to talk in circles is impressive.
They already have 20000 deposits for season tickets with arena that can hold 12000 unobstructed and 4000 obstructed i live in utah i hope they tear down old delta center build bigger one that can accommodate at least 20000 hockey fans utah has a high demand for professional sports including hockey, people who dont live here and doubt the market do not know what they are talking about.
Josh, I agree that Metropolitan SLC will support hockey very well, despite being much smaller than Metropolitan Phoenix. My adult son lived there a few years and played in several beer leagues, so it’s clear SLC likes hockey. I also agree that Delta Center is not a good long term hockey arena. Ryan Smith and the franchise owners will either need to build a new, longer arena which can hold a hockey rink and at least 18,000 seats, or tear out one end of Delta Center to make it long enough to do the same.
I really don’t know which is a better economic answer. That depends on land and infrastructure costs of building new versus the MAJOR rehab needed on Delta Center. Delta Center at least has all the infrastructure already in place.
Seattle did an over-the-top renovation of Key Center, becoming Climate Pledge Arena, by raising the roof and lowering the lower bowl. I’ll bet it would have been cheaper to build a new arena from scratch, but there was a lot of politics and a lot of “preservationalists” wanting to breathe new life into a historic arena (which dated back to the 1962 World’s Fair in Seattle).
Same thing happened when Winnipeg moved to AZ. 🤷🏼♂️
The Blue Jays just demolished, and rebuilt the entire lower bowl of the Rogers Centre in 5 months. How could they not do the same at the Delta Center?
Curious to their plan. The upper deck will still have seats where you won’t see the near goal. Unless their plan is to lengthen the area both upper and lower bowls. Interested to see the plan.
Rogers Centre was changing the arrangement of seats and going lower into the ground for a better view. What would have to happen at the Delta Center is different. It's an operation of adding space, they'd have to go deep into the ground to make the lower bowl wider and it may affect the upper bowl too. To took Seattle two years to do this recently and same the thing with Portland back in the 90s. I 100% believe it will end up being a new stadium.
Edit: they might play at the maverick center during renovations
Watch the press conference Ginger. The new arena is not going to happen. Delta Center renovation is the future. They are staying downtown.
This guy doesn't do basic ressearch
He makes video that takes an hour total.
It's temporary. Control yourself
This looks exactly like America West Arena (now Footprint Center) in Phoenix, the original arena the Coyotes played in 😂
Yup….obstruction city! What I dont get is they have to do something to this arena 2-3 Renovation….and the Yotes get that land and a brand new arena in about 3-4…why bother move the team then??? Just lose more money like they have been for 3-4 more years then make it happen in 2027. 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
@@ericbowers1620 Couldn't stay in Mullett that long
The owner said they will be making renovations to the Delta Center instead of building a new arena.
People are making a bigger deal out of this than it actually is. Is the current arena configuration for Hockey ideal? No. But the Delta Center is still a huge step up from a 5000 seat college rink, lmao.
Ryan Smith explained in the press conference yesterday that they've decided to renovate the Delta Center instead of building a new arena, because lawmakers made it clear to him that they don't want either team to play outside of Downtown (and there's simply nowhere to build a new arena in Downtown.)
It will also allow more money to go to everything else, like player housing and other development around the arena
Seriously it's ridiculous that this is such a huge issue right now. People are trying to make this problem for two reasons: A) clicks, and B) jealousy that Utah is getting a team.
@@Rookie_Mode2023 Yeah, especially the Canadians. They're super bitter that an American franchise is staying an American franchise, lol
@@Utonian21FWIW, it was originally a Canadian team but yes, as a Canadian I agree that some Canadian fans are blowing this way out of proportion.
@@keithck3720 Ok, true, I completely forgot that tbh (Im new to Hockey) regardless, Winnipeg lost them, now Arizona did.
No other potential owner was pushing as hard as Ryan Smith for this team. I wish people could just be happy for Utah, lol
Actually I heard him say something different. He said they would further investigate the possibility if it is even feasible to modify the Delta Center. My hunch is the cost to just add 3 maybe 4k seats isn't worth it and a 17k outcome will be obsolete within 5 years. Smith seems to feel an obligation to appease the bureaucrats only interested in renovating the area and keeping the teams in downtown Salt Lake. I don't believe Smith ever even originally had any thoughts or plans to modify the Delta Center, IMO.
The capacity is 12 000 for HOCKEY FRIENDLY seats, but there's 4000 more seats with obstructed view. They said it during the press conference!
I think half are obstructed
@@georgehigh4723 nah according to Garry Bettman and Ryan Smith its 4000 obstructed seats and 12000 good seats. They planned to make it 17.5k hockey friendly seats over the next 2 years
Dude talks about a new arena and shows a picture of Provo while talking about it. I would go to a local source to get your info.
Smith would totaly move the teams to Provo if he could get away with it. Guy's the #1 BYU booster.
If you would’ve watched the press conference yesterday, you would know that they are not building a new arena. They want to keep have the NBA and NHL downtown and there is not land to do that.
The plan is to do a MAJOR renovation of the current arena. The exterior of the building is also going to be completely redone and extended. The new entrance to the building will face east. It won’t even look recognizable. The renderings that were released a few weeks ago are indeed the current Delta center.
They haven’t released the full plans yet, but I speculate that the upper bowl will be left in place while the lower bowl will be completely blown out and expanded underneath the lower bowl … it could actually end up being a very unique arena. That’s very good for both hockey and basketball. The lower bowl is completely below grade so this is definitely possible. I think what we’re going to end up with is a lower bowl that’s a completely different shapes than the upper bowl.
The obstructed view seats are in the upper bowl. The lower bowl seats have no room to come out
@@mattreedah That’s correct. A lot of people spewing BS fail to realize that when you put a 200 foot long hockey rink into a basketball designed arena, the entire upper bowl behind the goal is useless, because you CAN’T SEE THE GOAL BENEATH YOU!!
I live in San Antonio. The Frost Bank (formerly AT&T) Center was built for the SA Spurs. We also had an AHL Hockey team, the Rampage. For Spurs games, it held over 18,000. For Rampage games, they collapsed the entire lower bowl behind the west goal, and didn’t sell seats in the upper bowl behind the west goal. In that configuration, seating was about 12,500. Perfectly fine for minor league hockey, but not for NHL.
Without a MAJOR re-construction of the Delta Center, it will have the same problem Phoenix had with America West Arena where the Coyotes first played. AWA was and still is a basketball designed arena!
Can you link to these renderings?
this you tube channel seems to look age as a decided factor for facility to get replaced, but as you already stated why a new arena is not the plan in Utah.
900 million dollar renovation. 2 year renovation. They discussed this.
Maybe do basic research. $2 billion in State commitments (already passed) to build a new arena and a baseball stadium.
If you remember the 2002 Olympic Hockey was not played at the Delta Center. It was at a minor league building in the suburbs the seated 8,000.
Yeah IIRC the Delta Center was used for figure skating and short track speedskating
Name one other potential NHL expansion city that is being asked by the IOC to host back to back Winter Olympics. Salt Lake is committed to winter sports for the Long Haul. They have the finances, they have the government support, they have competent management, and they have the fan support. There is NO better Market for the NHL to expand into. Utah was the right choice.
With just a teeny tiny bit of patience you will see that the Utah NHL team will have all of their needs met with facilities that live up to NHL standards.
Also, they’re not debating the name. It’s going to be Yeti. The issue is having jerseys and merch ready to roll out. My guess is they will try for XMas break next season but I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen till fall 2025.
Kinda strange why the video ended w/ a shot of downtown Ogden, Utah. -- now, I'm confused.
The new stadium is planned to open in time for the Olympics in 2034. So Ryan Smith has already pulled a fast one on the NHL.
i thought they earmarked 900 million dollars for a new NHL / NBA arena
That’s not worth that just make a new arena.
no where downtown to put it and part of them coming here was them staying downtown
Would having glassed in executive suites behind the nets work so no netting is needed? A wall of suites with not netting obscuring the view?
Ryan Smith has said they are renovating one side of the arena this off season and the other half on the next off season
As a kid I watched several seasons of Golden Eagles hockey and didn’t have any issues. That was 30 years ago though and the Delta Center has gone through renovations since for more basketball oriented crowds. Here’s to hoping they build a new one.
500 million Reno sounds insane, you would think that could a long way to purchase a new building
Hockey was not played there during the 2002 Winter Olympics. They played at the Maverick Center (then known as E center.) Delta was only used for ice skating, however, they of course had the same issues as mentioned here.
The reason why they dont want to build a new arena is because nobody wants to leave downtown.
The Delta Center did not host hockey during the 2002 Olympics, they were held at the Maverik Center in West Valley City (which is a hockey specific arena).
No new Arena! Smiths said renovation. Not sure what the plan will be. Smith said the plan will be to build a village next to arena. Nothing wrong with Delta center. Just spent 300M for new seats, scoreboard, clubs.
Honest question, why the hell do they ever build arenas that are basketball only in orientation??? Complete idiocy. There's been countless times where suddenly a basketball only arena needs to be utilized for hockey and it's always a terrible experience when it just doesn't have to be that way. Why would they spend so much money on an arena that's only good for a small portion of its potential purposes???
The other factor is that the nhl basically pushed out a bad owner too
Coyotes players will be confused by home crowds larger than 8-K people. 🙄
Utah Jazz missed out having an apropos name. Slam is a noise, hockey is a noisy game with body checks and pucks being slapped into a net. Invariably, there is a fight where someone gets slammed to the ice. So, UTAH SLAM with the SL giving a nod to Salt Lake. A Batman type sound bubble with SLAM! inside logo.
Didn't they have money approved for a new arena?
Not being built till later next year
theres money spproved it can be used to convert or build new
I could be wrong but my understanding after watching the press conference they're not building a whole new arena they're just going renovate the whole arena the plans that were going to be apart of the new arena will be added to the delta center
The situation with hockey at the Delta Center mirrors the problems the NY Islanders had when they played their games at Barclays Center in Brooklyn for a few years: smaller capacity, obstructed views of the rink! I remember how many Islanders fans were angered about the bad seating and sightlines...
Look, it's better than the 5000-seat arena the Coyotes played in. And if SLC wins the bid for 2034 Winter Olympics, problem solved since they're going to build a new arena and some sort of agreement will be reached. Until then they're only going to invest the necessary minimum to the existing arena but not much beyond that.
On what to do w/ Delta Center after new arena: Keep it for Olympics plus, if/when the Coyotes come back I imagine they will also take back the Tuscon Roadrunners as their AHL team, leaving the Utah team without one. They just put a bunch of money into making Delta Center viable for hockey. Expand the AHL into the Delta center to act as Utah's AHL affiliate.
That Delta Arena hockey configuration eliminates the high priced ice level seats near the boards. So only 12,000 seat while have fewer high priced seats. Great economics??? The arena will feel empty like during Covid and the crowds will barely be heard.
That stadium can be renovated to fit nhl hockey properly, however it would have to be closed. Why? Because they'd have to dig lower into the ground to make this thing fit like what they did in Seattle. So because of that theyll eventually say new arena. They approved money for the arena and a baseball stadium. Two billion dollars, one for each sport. Nhl jumped on the opportunity first before baseball could make a move. It will likely be a new arena unless there construction workers can guarantee to a renovation without interrupting the schedule.
Edit: they'll like play at the Maverick Center during renovations
I remember Barclays Center's Hockey Configuration when I went to see the Islanders games there, It's was the same thing what the Coyotes dealt with in their early years where they playing out same arena as the Suns. The setup at the Delta Center is even worse that both ends of the ice surface are obstructed, unlike Footprint Center & Barclays Center both had one end of the ice surface was obstructed. One other problem of note with Barclays Center that needs to be known, The ice quality in that building was very poor and was difficult to maintain.
Mullets Ice was some of the best :)
The Coyotes aren't going to be the "Utah Coyotes" when they move to Salt Lake City?
No, the previous owner of the franchise retains rights to the name and brand. That was a big part of the deal. We wouldn't want that name or brand anyway. Utah needs to make it its own.
Not sure the exact plans but the gateway center is across the street from the Delta Center and was an entertainment district for the 2002 Olympics that’s rather died over the years. If they tear it down and build the new arena there, they could tear down the delta center and use that land as part of the new entertainment district along with any leftover land from the gateway
The old homeless shelter killed The Gateway. Was such a shame.
Oh god they need to fix that arena asap. Olympic rinks are larger but they don’t mind playing on an NHL six rink if needed like 2010
Delta Center hosted figure skating and short track speed skating for the 2002 Olympics, so the obstructed views weren't as big of a deal. The Maverik Center, home of the ECHL's Utah Grizzlies, is where Olympic hockey was held.
The plan is to renovate to accommodate both. Ryan Smith has said its at 16,500 for hockey as of now
Still a huge upgrade over Mullet Arena, and it's not like they're going to be playing there that long. They're getting a new arena for the Jazz & Utah NHL team in the next few years.
This is still better then playing in a shit college arena 😂
The Mullet was the best place to watch a NHL game and I have been to a few of them
It was a super cool place…but I doubt youve ever been there. All AZ truly needs is a true owner not some POS from Cali.
9:31 Realistically, you'd need two separate ice arenas for the Olympics - one for hockey and one for figure skating. So keeping the Delta Center through 2034 with the potential new arena makes some sense in that regard.
They’ve got their work cut out as far as a renovation goes. I thought they had $900 million or some ungodly sum hoisted from the public for a new arena already? You can get an arena built in 24 months without having to pay premiums for materials. Anything short of that, the costs goes skyward. But 900 million?? Just put the shovels in the ground and design it while they’re building the foundation. Sheesh
The 900 million will be coming from tourists not the people here
@@jeron3966
Nope.
It will be an increase on sales tax to SLC residents.
The problem is that lawmakers want the teams to remain in downtown, and there's currently no viable property downtown to build a new arena
Smith is being pressured and arm twisted by bureaucrats with short term goals in keeping them in downtown SLC. The only long term solution is to demo the Delta center and rebuild. A reconfigured expensive make over to just get 17k hockey seats will not be a long term solution and we will be right back to we need a new stadium. Hate to see the Delta Center go but in the end if keeping both teams downtown is the goal, it is the only way.
@@Utonian21 they’re looking at Glendale area it’s still technically part of downtown
I think This Delta Center is fine. If they do build a new arena soon, get and have a PWHL team play here... like in Detroit, I think they should of kept the Joe for the PWHL Detroit lady's team. Yes, of course, renovate the Joe Louis Arena, because those steps that went up into the building and the steps in the seating bowl was too narrow. I also read that the Joe had people suing the building in the first 10 years of operation, because they kept getting hurt on the stairs.
Yeah, we knew the Delta Center was a poor place to play hockey. The basketball sight lines are different than hockey sight lines.
The point is that there is a plan going forward in Salt Lake City. The only thing for the NHL in Arizona was a bunch of questions.
The only bad thing in AZ was terrible ownership for the last two decades.
They should use the Delta Center for the figure skating and the short track speed skating events for the 2034 Winter Game. Just like they did with the Pacific Coliseum the former home of the NHL's Vancouver Canucks, when they used it for short track speed skating and figure skating during the 2010 Vancouver Winter Games
Earth to Phil. Renovations don’t cost much. So it doesn’t matter if they renovate Delta Center while the New Arena is being built.
For example the Rams renovated the LA Coliseum while Sofi Stadium was being built.
There probably is pressure to get as many seats since hockey depends on arena attendance more so than other pro sports. They may want to have 2 arenas available for the Winter Olympics.
The answer to your question is that if Smith keeps them in downtown Salt Lake and decides renovating the Delta center doesn't really work, it will be demolished and a new arena built in its place. That is probably the best solution. Either way, if renovating or demo and rebuild happens, neither the Jazz or hockey will be playing there for at least 2 yrs. I don't see how the Maverick center does not be used for hockey and the Jazz playing at the University of Utah, which they have done before. Don't know where you got 18+k for basketball but I believe for basketball the number is around 20.7k.
Utah Hockey Club sounds like a good permanent name. All of these other names are just copies of other places or weird. You can use Utah Hockey Club as the name of the team and have a mascot of something like a Yeti (Whatever a Yeti is) or some other creature.
It is weird that they built the arena for the 2002 winter Olympics, where it hosted the hockey tournament and figure skating finals, and they didn’t build something that had better ice viewing potential.
It opened in 1991, long before the Olympics, and as a basketball arena. It didn't host hockey during the Olympics, just figure skating.
It was built for the Utah Jazz and the Jazz only. No one cares about hockey.
That's similar to how it was here in San Antonio when we had the AHL team here. One end basically had no seats.
Correct. They simply collapsed the seats behind the west end goal, and didn’t sell seats in the upper west end bowl. This resulted in about 12,000-13,000 good seats for hockey. Which is fine for AHL hockey.
This is exactly the same problem that the Coyotes had when Winnipeg 1.0 moved to Phoenix. America West Arena in downtown Phoenix was built for Suns basketball, not hockey.
Frustratingly, Toyota Center in downtown Houston is already perfectly suited for NHL hockey. It was built to be compatible for hockey right from the get-go, and holds over 17,500 for hockey.
I THOUGHT the main reason Bettman approved the move to SLC was because they promised a new hockey-compatible arena would be built in SLC.
Looks like Ryan Smith and SLC are already reneging on that promise!!! 🤮
Ryan Smith said at his presser that they plan to renovate and *NOT* build a new arena. He seemed pretty adamant about that and wanted to focus more on the neighborhood around the arena. He seemed to not be concerned at all about renovating versus building a totally new building because the new arena site would not be in the downtown area where he wants to keep the arena for both the Jazz/hockey team AND the Olympics, should they win that bid.
I believe Smith knows better than that and renovating the Delta center will not work long term.. He has to appease or feels obligated to appease a bunch of bureaucrats that only care he stay in Salt Lake city. We need a new arena and that is the reality. 17k will not cut it and we all know it. If he feels they should stay in downtown Salt Lake the long term solution is to just demo the Delta center and rebuild.
Wow gonna add 5,000 seats to 12,000 to make it 17,000 set arena. Golden eagle days they put up seats behind the removed section in one end.
Why are people acting like it hasn’t been know since this was still a rumor that this version of the delta center is temporary
The Delta Center should do a complete renovation to better accommodate the new NHL Utah team. The Jazz hopefully will agree to make something happen now that it has a new indoor neighbor. I'm guessing that if there will be a renovation, it'll cost about (I'll just throw out a random number) $500M. I could be wrong and it may cost more than that. If I'm wrong, do share your opinions peeps.
Dude do you have any idea about arenas??? You cant renovate a basketball arena in order to accommodate hockey even if you spend 1 billion, unless you tear the whole building down and build a new one
Yes you can and they did, over 70% of the seats have a perfect view and they have close to 20 thousand seats.
yah u can
Absolutely correct. The angles of the folding seats at either end of this arena are incredibly steep. I don't see how you correct this and still have a viable number of seats to make a difference.
I imagine they'll do it by extending the lower bowl at the top, and removing seats at the bottom. Of course the exterior of the building will have to be extended to accommodate.
That is what needs to happen, I think Smith already knows this but he seems to feel obligated to the bureaucrats that all they see is keeping both NBA and NHL in downtown Salt Lake. Mark my words, 17k will not cut it and we will be right back to saying we need a new stadium within 5 yrs, hell maybe even one year.
900 Million Bucks. We’ll have a new arena ready in 2 seasons.
No one is confused but you. They were super clear on how they would be approaching this in the press conference.
This is the same guy who said the NBA play in was "too confusing" last year
At least they have a said: "arena"! I hear Alex and Coyotes Trademark are still searching...
The Delta Center reminds me of the Spectrum where the Flyers played in their Stanley Cup period.
The Spectrum was designed to accommodate hockey. DC not so much.
It seems they aren’t building a new arena and putting hundreds of millions into the Delta Center renovation to accommodate the NHL and NBA teams. Delta Center is in a great location which they understand and just going to make the arena NHL ready and much better. When done I’m sure will be great for many years
If they wanted a more viable arena there are other cities that should have been considered to relocate the Coyotes to and then go to Salt Lake City as an expansion after a proper arena is built. It is stupid that for Canada there are insane requirements to get a team and in the US there are virtually none other then the money.
Why not the Utah Coyotes? That’s what the Titans did their first two seasons after leaving Houston and moving to Tennessee, they went with Tennessee Oilers then rebranded as the Tennessee Titans. Arizona can get the Coyotes name back if/ when they build an arena, kinda like the Hornets though it wasn’t planned like this, they moved to New Orleans, Charlotte received an expansion team two years later, named the Bobcats, it wasn’t until a decade later under new ownership did New Orleans want their own identity picking the Pelicans which is the state bird, they even rewrote history giving Charlotte their history back from 1988-2002 and Hornets name, colors. I just think a generic Utah Hockey Team is so lame.
Sounds like to me and call me crazy. Maybe they could’ve brought the team somewhere where there was ALREADY an arena ready to go like Quebec with a hot market for hockey…. Just a thought
I think you renovate the Delta Center and build a new arena as if they do get the Olympics you need more than one arena, Just a thought!
Theyre moving for the luxury boxes. The owner doesnt care about individual seats per se.
Utah is building a new arena for strictly nhl hockey & Olympic hockey ice. Jazz will keep their own home, salt lake will make a new home for the NHL team..
It's mind boggling that they would take a billion dollar idea and such a huge change for an organization and the league and just rush it through with an arena like this. Honestly if I lived in Utah I would rather hear I'm getting a team in a year or two that will have a state of the art facility that will impress the whole league. But delaying gratification isn't cool anymore.
If it’s only 12,000 seats and they’re planning on getting a new arena, I don’t understand why they don’t play at the Maverick Center. It’s 15 minutes from the Delta Center and it holds about the same amount of people but it doesn’t have the eye sore of the pushed up seats
Smith doesn't own the Maverik Center and get ALL the revenue it generates. They'd be paying rent and losing out on profit, that's the reason.
You need to do a video on these Entertainment Districts and the Corruption involved with them! Leading all the way up to Commisioner Bettman
No. That’s incorrect. It seats 16,000 with 12,000 being unobstructed.
You didn''t watch the press conference. We are not getting a new arena. There updating Delta Center.
12,000 is more then enough for hockey in Utah at least it will appear to be full, Bettman can hail great success
Yes the arena is weird but it’s still 3x bigger than Mullet.
They could temporarily play at Maverik?
They need to switch to Big Ice. The players are so fast, they need more room to skate. Start with one arena and eventually they'll all be converted. I don't care if it takes 10 years to get all arenas to Big Ice, it needs to be done.
And as a side note I think the Kings take the Frozen Fury game to Mexico in 2025. It’s a good vehicle to test the waters for a team (ask SLC and Vegas). Would be a good market to expand to. This is where being part owned by Phil Anschutz/AEG helps.
*hence* they are remolding it over the next few summers with new technology to fit 17.5 for hockey, and we had 30k show up today just for play introductions....
The only reason it makes sense in a way for renovations, is for the Winter Olympics
Bring back the WHA. Chicago Cougars.
Who gives a shit? Playing in front of 15,000-18,000 fans is leaps and bounds above the 6,000 they are used to playing in front of..😂
I thought that the Olympics were coming to Utah again which would have a new rink built for the Olympics. And then they will use that one. Maybe I heard that wrong
Be easier probably but costs more money Ryan Smith has money build new arena in same location or near by make it for both sports like so many do. Play in Delta Center till new stadium ready. This reminds me of Barclay's in Brooklyn was liker that for hockey and failed for Islanders not saying happen here. Can do minor stuff to adjust for it if can't get new arena build quickly
It'll be Delta and eventually their own arena later
I don’t mind watching this dude’s channel. He does cover a lot of interesting stuff. But goodness, his lack of research is glaring!!