I'm glad to see so much more interest in vegan and dairy free alternatives in the past few years, but this new development of non animal sourced casein is actually a huge upset for me, being allergic to dairy. As long as it's properly labeled and casein-free sticks around, its not too bad, but labeling a vegan cheese as such while containing casein can certainly have severe consequences for those who have allergies! Please be mindful of this :)
I completely agree. Seeing things like this is both encouraging but also concerning. As long as people remember that some of us are interested in vegan cheese as a casein-free alternative and properly label their products, I encourage the innovation. However, if vegan products containing casein aren’t labeled, it could have some dangerous consequences.
Right. I have the same issue, desiring an alternative to cheese without the animal protein, casein, which I am allergic to. However, I'm sure that someday the food scientists will develop a melting cheese without that animal protein.
As someone who’s also allergic to dairy as well as vegan, what concerns me is when this non-animal casein cheese makes it into restaurants, the potential for disaster is high. For years, even before I was vegan, vegan food has always been an easy, safe bet; as with most who have dairy allergies.So when a restaurant has “vegan” cheese with casein, that is going to cause a problem for workers being aware of what is in their food, and for consumers who have trusted vegan to mean dairy free for decades.
I'm also allergic to dairy as well a lot of other things and vegan products have always been safe, now it's going to get scary. I agree it's good for those who want cheese without relying on cows, and it's important for the future. I just hope the labeling reflects the ingredients. I've had issues with people and restaurants not realizing that imitation crab still contains shellfish, and I don't want the same problem with cheese.
@@Deathhead68 It was okay, we didn't have so much fun food as now but plant-based diets are quit similar. Very few people knew what a vegan lifestyle was so you got used to explain a lot more than now. Ahaha.
I’ve been vegetarian for I think about 5 years and even I’ve been able to see the huge developments and advances plant based alternatives have had. I live in an average suburban town and my grocery store now has multiple sections of plant based products all over the store
Thank goodness you don't force us to change. I have eaten both vegan and normal cheese an di found normal cheese to be better because it can melt and etc.
I guess the short answer is, vegan cheese does melt. It's great that they're still innovating. There are hundreds of vegan cheeses now and I've loved every one I've tried. I'm excited to try whatever they come up with next.
Smoked Applewood Cheese melts perfectly!!! Its literally the only vegan cheese I buy now, chao cheese isnt bad either. Sometimes I like to splurge and buy some artisan cashew cheese, that stuff is the bomb...
@@D0J0Master Not everyone can afford it, for some people it's part of their culture... Plus not everyone want to stop eating meat, fish or dairy product.
As a vegan, this is a great thing to get to see happen! Not all vegans care for vegan cheese or animal product substitutes, but I’m always willing to try new things! *honestly, vegan cheese is better in the way that it doesn’t get all congealed like regular dairy cheese does the next day. If you reheat like a slice of vegan cheese pizza, that cheese will essentially remelt. I never really found that to be true with regular dairy. The texture was off-putting.
My lactose intolerance has been becoming more severe over the years and lately I’ve been looking into going dairy-free to feel and be healthier. As someone who unfortunately loves dairy and esp. cheese, I’m so excited to see this scientific breakthrough in the culinary world :)
Yea there’s definitely quite a few different cheeses that melt perfectly and have no difference to dairy cheese. Vegan pizza and and Mac n cheese is obviously a popular dish. Sold at most vegan restaurants etc.
i became vegan few months ago. i loveeeed cheese and never though i would stop. but now after few months have passed i don't even feel like eating dairy cheese. sometimes i use vegan cheeses like violife and miyokos when i bake potatoes, pasta or tacos.i can say eventually they melt well only takes longer than dairy. the research that's being done is really nice !
Why didn't you mention Perfect Day? They already have microbial whey protein (at scale!) on the market in Kroger. Also, the next big challenge is the production of saturated fats in particular since all vegan cheeses (even these engineered casein cheeses you mention) still presumably rely on tropical fruits like coconut or palm for fat.
I want to be excited about this...but as someone who's very very allergic to casein and depends on vegan cheese to get that cheese-adjacent fix the idea of plant based cheese containing a compound I'm allergic to is honestly terrifying.
Many brands of vegan cheeses already better in texture and taste compared to dairy cheeses! They even melt when heated! Actually many types of vegan cheese are tastier when heated
As somebody with a cow's milk allergy I have been making vegan pizza for myself and normal for others for decades. Here is what I have discovered. f you are using a soy mozzarella instead of milk cheese there are 3 rules. (Note that the only soy one I have found to taste "normal" on good pizza is: “follow your heart” brand vegan gourmet mozzarella ) 1) put the cheese at the Parmesan cheese level as the only cheese and 2) use very sparingly - too much soy cheese is just glue and awful! Put all the ingredients on top of the soy cheese with maybe just some dots for looks on some ingredients like slices of Roma tomato 3) Cook 5 to 10 mins longer than the cows milk pizzas.
I think that when it comes to switching to vegan alternatives, starting this switch when people are young is essential. While I understand the need to create cheeses that mimic different types of cheeses, focusing on cheeses children eat will make the transition and sustainability for vegan cheeses stronger. "get them when they're young and you'll get them for life"
Yep. Kids eat what they are given. My toddler grandkids fave foods are Chao cheese, avocado& blueberries. They can sit at a table with folks eating chicken and still only consume their veggies with varied grains. Our 2 & 4 yr olds are well aquainted with farro, bulgar wheat, quinoa, also brown and black rice. Help your littles eat well even when grandpa isn't interested.
A tip for it to melt is to put some water on it, with a sprinkler for example (i dont have one so i just put drops on it and it also works). And some vegan cheese do melt by their own.
I like that the people in this video finish their sentences in a declarative way, rather than finishing every sentence like if it were a question or like they weren't finished talking.
Aren’t there lactose free options available? Genuine question actually but I do know that there are lactase supplements you can consume if you plan on consuming dairy on a particular day.
@Moki Ac. yeah that’s true but not EVERYONE is lactose intolerant. Yes it’s true, and some of us stop producing lactase past our infant stage but some of us do still produce it.
I made a really cool mini doc on my channel about a vegan cuban place and the way they use cheese for pastelitos.. you can’t even tell its not real cheese.
It's literally the casein in cheese that makes people addicted because studies have shown it acts similar to opiates in your brain. I'm perfectly fine with vegan cheese without casein, but if they can make options with vegan casein and that helps more people become vegan then I'm all for it.
It’s the Caso morphine your thinking of. Literally a type of morphine. It’s for the baby to keep returning to mom. We have adults out here seriously consuming breast milk
@@hamu6118 no one is saying that lmao the point is that people do get very attached to cheese to the point where people feel they need meat and cheese in every meal or they feel theyre missing something its a very real thing especially in the us
@@hamu6118 Lol I'm British and I feel the same about cheese and meat. I need at least one of them in a meal otherwise I crave it like crazy. Definitely not a US problem
Yeah, I was a massive meat and cheese lover and I thought it would be terrible, but the cravings honestly stopped after a week or so. Every person has different experiences though, of course
@@Catty_Wampus4610 honestly, I ate meat and dairy 3 times a day every day. The more I looked into it, the more it felt wrong, but at the same time everyone does it, which is the weird part. Eventually I decided to reduce and stopped completely, it was only hard at first to figure out what to eat instead but once you know, that's it, it's just as easy.
I’m plant based and I find it so hard to buy anything at restaurants that’s not pasta or salad, sometimes makes me want to quit because of the lack of diversity
Oh wow, I always wondered why it doesn't! I've been a vegan for 8 years and just in that small amount of time we've had huge changes in the vegan cheese options available! Even if it doesn't melt as easily as actual cheese, that's okay. I'll stick with my vegan diet because it's about the animals anyway. 💪😊
Okay but do y’all not remember when one of those big pizza chains got in trouble for using not real cheese on their pizzas and ppl were mad bc they didn’t really notice??? Where is that cheese!!
I mean regular cheese doesn’t really melt well either. That melting is due to citric acid and for some reason the best melting cheese (American cheese) is reviled for being melty
For homemade vegan cheese: try rice starch and tapioca! There are loads if recipes and some taste very similar to mozzarella and stretches well. Nit the same as real, but the best I've found with what we have currently :)
The absolutely best vegan ‘cheese’ is homemade. Potatoes, carrots, nutritional yeast, spices, oil...look it up. It’s a dippy cheese, like velvet tea melted. It’s delicious. I am not vegan either. I still eat regular cheese but this recipe is that good . Try it.
Im not vegan but i would like to start consuming less dairy products but the only problem is that is too expensive for me compared to dairy cheese, its a shame
I’m a vegetarian who eats a lot of cheese but I’d looove to try this vegan casein cheese. Dairy cheese is so bad for the environment compared to milk because the yield is so much lower. I hope one day this is available to buy and it’s not super expensive
I know I'm a few weeks late but just in case someone needs this info and sees this - walmart (great value) has its own vegan cheese! It melts really well and it tastes really good! I can't speak for every location, but at least here in Missouri, it's very inexpensive compared to the name brands. Definitely worth a shot if you can find it!
There is something to it tho.. if i would go vegan i would miss cheese the most. And i tried couple of plant based ones before and they tasted like cardboard
@@plantahari What's the difference between vegan and vegitarian? Vegis are same as vegans but they just drink milk, and milk based products (which is fine, I mean cow produces 70% more milk than the amount req. to feed her calf).
@@pranavtiwari_yt cows are forcefully impregnated, repeatedly, their calves are taken away shortly after birth. the cows are force-fed an unhealthy diet of calorie dense grains so they produce more milk. most cows spend their entire "milking" lives in an assembly line, tied to various equipment, injected with antibiotics and supplements to keep them "healthy". when they can no longer produce milk they are sent to the slaughterhouse for low quality beef products (pet food, sausages). the calves usually don't get any of their mother's milk, instead they are fed a cheaper soy based formula and raised either for slaughter or dairy. the cycle continues over and over again, with hundreds of millions of cows killed every year. India is the second largest exporter of beef, despite cows being revered as a "mother". veganism is a way of living that goes beyond a diet, as vegans try to avoid other animal exploitation industries like for-profit zoos, leather, pet farms, circus, etc to the best of their ability.
@@Deathhead68 I agree but I still can't stand it, personally it's a waste of my money but I am glad that people are invested and trying to advance what can be achieved in food and science.
@@jeamspqr8439 A couple ones, violife and Applewood are decent if you wanted to try, but yeah I don't blame you. It's pure junk food too, basically just oil lol.
So if a person is allergic to milk and you go using all the same protein structures that are found in a cows milk to make vegan milk…won’t they be allergic to the vegan milk with synthesized animal proteins? Just had to go vegan due to some health issues. Actually more flexitarian cause I can still eat chicken and fish without feeling like I’m having an out of body experience about to be followed by a funeral. I gotta be REAL careful what I put in my tank after abusing my diet for 38 yrs. Wish I would have been less stubborn and judgmental of the vegan diet when I first heard of it years ago. But *sigh* fk it I’m here now. Life is good. Plus I got to learn to make so much good food. Any way… Cheers.
I make vegan nut-free mozzarella in 10 minutes without cooking, and it melts, stretches and grills on pizza perfectly well. It is tested by Italians too.
As a vegan, I never buy plant based cheese, not just because they don’t melt, but that they are laced with coconut oil which is saturated fat. I simply don’t think plant based cheese is that much healthier than their animal counterparts.
I had a vegan pizza at brixx pizza I had to ask the waitress 3x if she accidentally gave me real cheese I weirdly developed a milk allergy last year… milk products makes me violently ill
I applaud the efforts being made to create plant-based casein. However, that may only get you to the textural characteristics of dairy cheese. What about the flavor profile? Will you rely on so-called "natural flavors" to accomplish that, as everyone currently does, or will you try to use fermentation? The use of "natural flavors", rampant in the meat and dairy analog category, is a synthetic approach and it often results in an artificial flavor, in my opinion.
@@queenielouweekly3160 Last night I happened to watch this video because the youtube algorithm suggested it to me. I had previously viewed it a few years ago which is when I commented on it, the comment to which you replied. What's extremely odd is that I watched it prior to you replying to my comment, and by "prior" I mean a minute prior. In other words, I watched it, then checked my email maybe one minute later and saw that a reply had been left so I then saw your reply. This seems extremely unlikely to be a coincidence yet I can't explain it and I wonder if you can explain it. Thanks in advance.
everyone always says vegan cheese doesn't melt but I eat Mac and cheese, grilled cheeses, etc all the time and NEVEr have a problem melting cheese. Am I really the only one?
This has me very worried. A lot of us who eat vegan cheese are allergic to casein. So this sounds like gluten free bread makers trying to add gluten to make their bread more normal.
@@vsm6847 I'm sorry you can't eat casein. However, would you ask the world to cease eating gluten because some people have celiacs disease? I assure you there will continue to be gluten and casein free foods but I think quality vegan products like this make reducing your carbon emissions by lowering your animal product intake way more approachable to the general public. I can't tell you how many people I know who "would be vegan but I love cheese too much"
well thank goodness they’re replicating the casein protein in labs without cows like “brave robot” ice cream. now do it for cheese, the brand “follow your heart” is on to something
Cheese of the future maybe, but that would only be so if it can not only be reliably mass produced, but sold at a very cheap price as to contend with traditional cheese and other non-vegan products. I am an avid fan of the vegan diet, but sadly it can be quite costly, especially with how my existence is grounded on a 3rd world country. A switch in lifestyle is always welcome if the benefits outweigh the costs.
I had vegan cheese a few months ago and I think it was only a dollar more expensive than normal cheese so honestly the price wasn’t bad at all. I totally agree with your reasoning tho, if they’re able to lower prices on vegan alternatives I would gladly do it.
@@imtired6614 in my country rarely is real cheese even seen. We only see it in american pizza. We only really get the cheap artificial ones, so it really wouldn't be any different if we switched to vegan cheese. Although I doubt it can compete to 200g/dollar price tag of our glorified block of salty wax labeled as cheese.
@@yayayayya4731 that helps as well! :) but if you don't think that the world is gonna have to become much much more plantbased in the future for this planet to survive, then you're simply not aware of the facts.
What I was saying was that the most the plant based idea can do is 3-4 % less carbon footprint. This is actual research based findings(I did try to post the link, but the alg0rithm deleted my reply). Which is not worth it, as it will take a lot of money, which can be used to make stronger public transit systems.
watch a number of vegan cheese videos and you can find plenty that make stretchy cheese. I really do like precision fermentation, but mainly to make the world more eco (like a more eco way of getting omega 3 through algae) and not really to recreate real animal products. The reason is beacuse of allergies, too reminiscent of animal products, etc. Why not find a similar chemical to casein and go with that?
To the Comment Section: There is no need to mention *Morals* in being vegan Get off your high horse that you want to prove yourselves that your better than "meat eaters"
the supermarket vegan cheese shoudnt be called cheese because cheese is fermented. fermented vegan cheese is amazing, shop vegan cheese is potato puree with aroma
In the dairy industry cows are impregnated so that they'll produce milk, the male and surplus calves are killed within a few days to a few weeks of being born and the mothers are exploited for their milk until their yield begins to decline at the age of about 4 to 6 year when they are also slaughtered. A cow can live for up to 22 years. Dairy is an industry of violence and exploitation, that's why it's not vegan.
I've been veg/vegan for abt 40 years and agree that there's no good vegan cheese... at least if you're trying to imitate animal cheese. Plus the vegan cheese is high fat/salt, etc. I'm in it for heath first and foremost.. not really interested any more. Tastes change, and I'm not really interested in anything that tries to imitate something I don't like or want.
Wait… vegan cheeses can have nuts? Well add that to the list of things that I need to scour the ingredients list before eating or else I could die :/ I thought cheese of all things would be safe
If you have allergies or ethical reasons not to eat animal products I think this is great science but the best food is the simplest food. IE fewer ingredients and steps. So maybe the key is eating less cheese or meat products to reduce animal livestock numbers not making lab created alternatives?
Because animal agriculture is subsidized and because there's still low demand for vegan cheese while a lot of money is needed for all research and development.
What would the benefits of a vegan cheese be? So far what Weve seen is the vegetarian version of a substitute is just as, or worse for you than the animal variant
Solving this problem would help a lot of vegetarian people on the fence about being vegan make the switch
Why would you want to be vegan? It's awful
@@CruelQuertos are you vegan?
@@CruelQuertos Healthy, good for environment, maybe morals.
@@bronbettis4084 Yes because wasting our intellect on synthetic cheese really solves the moral dilemma that is consuming dairy.
@@therealgemmacollins2158 no, I've tried it and I ate vegetarian for 13 years prior. Now i eat meat and drink milk.
I'm glad to see so much more interest in vegan and dairy free alternatives in the past few years, but this new development of non animal sourced casein is actually a huge upset for me, being allergic to dairy. As long as it's properly labeled and casein-free sticks around, its not too bad, but labeling a vegan cheese as such while containing casein can certainly have severe consequences for those who have allergies! Please be mindful of this :)
It really is the future. There is no way we can keep going the way we have been forever. Something has got to give.
I completely agree. Seeing things like this is both encouraging but also concerning. As long as people remember that some of us are interested in vegan cheese as a casein-free alternative and properly label their products, I encourage the innovation. However, if vegan products containing casein aren’t labeled, it could have some dangerous consequences.
Right. I have the same issue, desiring an alternative to cheese without the animal protein, casein, which I am allergic to. However, I'm sure that someday the food scientists will develop a melting cheese without that animal protein.
As someone who’s also allergic to dairy as well as vegan, what concerns me is when this non-animal casein cheese makes it into restaurants, the potential for disaster is high. For years, even before I was vegan, vegan food has always been an easy, safe bet; as with most who have dairy allergies.So when a restaurant has “vegan” cheese with casein, that is going to cause a problem for workers being aware of what is in their food, and for consumers who have trusted vegan to mean dairy free for decades.
I'm also allergic to dairy as well a lot of other things and vegan products have always been safe, now it's going to get scary. I agree it's good for those who want cheese without relying on cows, and it's important for the future. I just hope the labeling reflects the ingredients. I've had issues with people and restaurants not realizing that imitation crab still contains shellfish, and I don't want the same problem with cheese.
I have been vegan for over 10 years and it's truly great to see so many advances in culinary science. :)
I've only been vegan for 3 years, can't imagine how it was back then.
@@Deathhead68 It was okay, we didn't have so much fun food as now but plant-based diets are quit similar. Very few people knew what a vegan lifestyle was so you got used to explain a lot more than now. Ahaha.
I’ve been vegetarian for I think about 5 years and even I’ve been able to see the huge developments and advances plant based alternatives have had. I live in an average suburban town and my grocery store now has multiple sections of plant based products all over the store
Thank goodness you don't force us to change. I have eaten both vegan and normal cheese an di found normal cheese to be better because it can melt and etc.
@@iamnonexistent1680 mate nobody can force you to do anything lol. The only thing that happens by force is what happens to the animals
I guess the short answer is, vegan cheese does melt.
It's great that they're still innovating. There are hundreds of vegan cheeses now and I've loved every one I've tried.
I'm excited to try whatever they come up with next.
Smoked Applewood Cheese melts perfectly!!! Its literally the only vegan cheese I buy now, chao cheese isnt bad either.
Sometimes I like to splurge and buy some artisan cashew cheese, that stuff is the bomb...
If you don’t mind, can you please tell me the brands? I’m lactose intolerant and would love some good cheese alternatives. Thanks!
@@Sara-jc4xw Those are the brand names, why havnt you gone vegan if I might ask?
@@D0J0Master Not everyone can afford it, for some people it's part of their culture... Plus not everyone want to stop eating meat, fish or dairy product.
@@Sara-jc4xw the brand is applewood, I think it’s only in the UK tho. So hopefully you can find it!
@@basmac3016 poo poo
Domino's, "now with real... Oh never mind they liked the fake cheese better."
Lmao
As a vegan, this is a great thing to get to see happen! Not all vegans care for vegan cheese or animal product substitutes, but I’m always willing to try new things!
*honestly, vegan cheese is better in the way that it doesn’t get all congealed like regular dairy cheese does the next day. If you reheat like a slice of vegan cheese pizza, that cheese will essentially remelt. I never really found that to be true with regular dairy. The texture was off-putting.
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i can’t wait for it to hit the market!
My lactose intolerance has been becoming more severe over the years and lately I’ve been looking into going dairy-free to feel and be healthier.
As someone who unfortunately loves dairy and esp. cheese, I’m so excited to see this scientific breakthrough in the culinary world :)
yeah. thats pretty much the case for me too.
Until then, try Chao. It's very good and does melt.
Cool, I already use vegan cheese for my some purposes but it would be awesome if I could use them for my Mac and cheese and pizza too.
This video is so bizarre, I use Okanagan's Soya and it melts and stretches great when I make pizza.
@@Mcowling thanks
Yea there’s definitely quite a few different cheeses that melt perfectly and have no difference to dairy cheese. Vegan pizza and and Mac n cheese is obviously a popular dish. Sold at most vegan restaurants etc.
I found daiya vegan cheese melts well and I just found a daiya boxed Mac n cheese at Walmart too!!
@@nichellecece i gotta check it out. Thank you
i became vegan few months ago. i loveeeed cheese and never though i would stop. but now after few months have passed i don't even feel like eating dairy cheese. sometimes i use vegan cheeses like violife and miyokos when i bake potatoes, pasta or tacos.i can say eventually they melt well only takes longer than dairy. the research that's being done is really nice !
Why didn't you mention Perfect Day? They already have microbial whey protein (at scale!) on the market in Kroger. Also, the next big challenge is the production of saturated fats in particular since all vegan cheeses (even these engineered casein cheeses you mention) still presumably rely on tropical fruits like coconut or palm for fat.
I want to be excited about this...but as someone who's very very allergic to casein and depends on vegan cheese to get that cheese-adjacent fix the idea of plant based cheese containing a compound I'm allergic to is honestly terrifying.
Same. It’s also kind of discouraging as well. The only vegan cheeses that we can eat are the ones that don’t act like real cheese, unfortunately.
Same. It’s also kind of discouraging as well. The only vegan cheeses that we can eat are the ones that don’t act like real cheese, unfortunately.
Many brands of vegan cheeses already better in texture and taste compared to dairy cheeses! They even melt when heated! Actually many types of vegan cheese are tastier when heated
exactly. thank you. violife is better than cheese
2:57 Are the subtitles wrong? It sounded like "heterologous", said to be the opposite of what the subtitles say - "homologous"
As somebody with a cow's milk allergy I have been making vegan pizza for myself and normal for others for decades. Here is what I have discovered. f you are using a soy mozzarella instead of milk cheese there are 3 rules. (Note that the only soy one I have found to taste "normal" on good pizza is: “follow your heart” brand vegan gourmet mozzarella )
1) put the cheese at the Parmesan cheese level as the only cheese and
2) use very sparingly - too much soy cheese is just glue and awful! Put all the ingredients on top of the soy cheese with maybe just some dots for looks on some ingredients like slices of Roma tomato
3) Cook 5 to 10 mins longer than the cows milk pizzas.
I think that when it comes to switching to vegan alternatives, starting this switch when people are young is essential. While I understand the need to create cheeses that mimic different types of cheeses, focusing on cheeses children eat will make the transition and sustainability for vegan cheeses stronger. "get them when they're young and you'll get them for life"
Yep. Kids eat what they are given. My toddler grandkids fave foods are Chao cheese, avocado& blueberries. They can sit at a table with folks eating chicken and still only consume their veggies with varied grains. Our 2 & 4 yr olds are well aquainted with farro, bulgar wheat, quinoa, also brown and black rice. Help your littles eat well even when grandpa isn't interested.
A tip for it to melt is to put some water on it, with a sprinkler for example (i dont have one so i just put drops on it and it also works). And some vegan cheese do melt by their own.
I like that the people in this video finish their sentences in a declarative way, rather than finishing every sentence like if it were a question or like they weren't finished talking.
Very interesting. Can't wait to see the next generation of vegan cheeses
My kid is lactose intolerant, I love it that products like this exist!
Aren’t there lactose free options available? Genuine question actually but I do know that there are lactase supplements you can consume if you plan on consuming dairy on a particular day.
@Moki Ac. yeah that’s true but not EVERYONE is lactose intolerant. Yes it’s true, and some of us stop producing lactase past our infant stage but some of us do still produce it.
Goat cheese is lactose free and I do tolerate and like it better than other cheese
I made a really cool mini doc on my channel about a vegan cuban place and the way they use cheese for pastelitos.. you can’t even tell its not real cheese.
It's literally the casein in cheese that makes people addicted because studies have shown it acts similar to opiates in your brain. I'm perfectly fine with vegan cheese without casein, but if they can make options with vegan casein and that helps more people become vegan then I'm all for it.
It’s the Caso morphine your thinking of. Literally a type of morphine. It’s for the baby to keep returning to mom. We have adults out here seriously consuming breast milk
who tf is addicted to cheese omg you act as if sprinkling a bit of parmigiano on pasta is the same as sniffing cocaine
@@hamu6118 no one is saying that lmao the point is that people do get very attached to cheese to the point where people feel they need meat and cheese in every meal or they feel theyre missing something its a very real thing especially in the us
@@kg7219 seems like a very usa problem, sorry
@@hamu6118 Lol I'm British and I feel the same about cheese and meat. I need at least one of them in a meal otherwise I crave it like crazy. Definitely not a US problem
I'm not vegan but this will certainly life changing
Y'all Vegans strong as hecc, Y'all can go without meat and cheese EVERYDAY
Honestly bro, it's only difficult for the first couple weeks, you get used to it pretty quick.
Yeah, I was a massive meat and cheese lover and I thought it would be terrible, but the cravings honestly stopped after a week or so. Every person has different experiences though, of course
@@Deathhead68 Oh cool really?
@@letthebeatr0ck That's cool
@@Catty_Wampus4610 honestly, I ate meat and dairy 3 times a day every day. The more I looked into it, the more it felt wrong, but at the same time everyone does it, which is the weird part. Eventually I decided to reduce and stopped completely, it was only hard at first to figure out what to eat instead but once you know, that's it, it's just as easy.
I’m plant based and I find it so hard to buy anything at restaurants that’s not pasta or salad, sometimes makes me want to quit because of the lack of diversity
Omg. Try finding a restaurant that is not vegan or without several vegan options in Atlanta.
Oh wow, I always wondered why it doesn't! I've been a vegan for 8 years and just in that small amount of time we've had huge changes in the vegan cheese options available! Even if it doesn't melt as easily as actual cheese, that's okay. I'll stick with my vegan diet because it's about the animals anyway. 💪😊
lol ur pfp is the accidently vegan Doritos flavor
@@chairwood LOL yeah I love those chips because they're the only vegan flavor 😅
@@christinas814 sorry but I love a good steak
@@wheal2825 Nobody asked, but sure.
@@NahvomaLena I asked
Okay but do y’all not remember when one of those big pizza chains got in trouble for using not real cheese on their pizzas and ppl were mad bc they didn’t really notice??? Where is that cheese!!
i need this. i want this. I want better vegetarian options. the textures are wrong to me.
I mean regular cheese doesn’t really melt well either.
That melting is due to citric acid and for some reason the best melting cheese (American cheese) is reviled for being melty
Can flax gel or okra goo create the stretch? I mean… in the ingredients for cheese there can be space for that someone name a video and test it out
For homemade vegan cheese: try rice starch and tapioca! There are loads if recipes and some taste very similar to mozzarella and stretches well. Nit the same as real, but the best I've found with what we have currently :)
The absolutely best vegan ‘cheese’ is homemade.
Potatoes, carrots, nutritional yeast, spices, oil...look it up. It’s a dippy cheese, like velvet tea melted. It’s delicious. I am not vegan either. I still eat regular cheese but this recipe is that good . Try it.
Typo: VELVEETA, not velvet tea.
Tofu?
@@zenjm6496 it’s not tofu not has any in it.
Tofu is soy...be careful.
I def need to make some more homemade vegan cheese. I did one with cashews which was rly nice and creamy but its a bit expensive lol
see if you vegans would post more stuff like this not pushing your diet and not encuging fake food it will be all good.
Im not vegan but i would like to start consuming less dairy products but the only problem is that is too expensive for me compared to dairy cheese, its a shame
What happened to everybody getting apoplectic about overly processed foods? This product couldn't get LESS processed.
They want non GMO foods, but will eat vegan cheese lol
I don't think vegans and health freaks are the same thing
@@yayayayya4731 veganisme as nothing to do with GMO, this is a coincidence if vegan tend to be against GMO
@@zoqin I know. I'm just saying 😅, there is nothing wrong with gmos
Have you seen how regular cheese is made? It’s also highly processed.
I’m a vegetarian who eats a lot of cheese but I’d looove to try this vegan casein cheese. Dairy cheese is so bad for the environment compared to milk because the yield is so much lower. I hope one day this is available to buy and it’s not super expensive
Will the vegan casein be edible by those with dairy allergies?
I know I'm a few weeks late but just in case someone needs this info and sees this - walmart (great value) has its own vegan cheese! It melts really well and it tastes really good! I can't speak for every location, but at least here in Missouri, it's very inexpensive compared to the name brands. Definitely worth a shot if you can find it!
I am lactose intolerant and very much miss pizza with realistic cheese on it. So this would be amazing.
Violife doesn’t melt very well but applewood is amazing!
There is something to it tho.. if i would go vegan i would miss cheese the most. And i tried couple of plant based ones before and they tasted like cardboard
Then you can go vegetarien, you will miss nothing and still help in a way
you can always eliminate all animal foods except cheese. veganism doesn't have to be absolute. being plant based is great. do the best you can.
It's because casein mimics morphine. It's highly addictive. I wish you the best giving it up.
@@plantahari What's the difference between vegan and vegitarian?
Vegis are same as vegans but they just drink milk, and milk based products (which is fine, I mean cow produces 70% more milk than the amount req. to feed her calf).
@@pranavtiwari_yt cows are forcefully impregnated, repeatedly, their calves are taken away shortly after birth. the cows are force-fed an unhealthy diet of calorie dense grains so they produce more milk. most cows spend their entire "milking" lives in an assembly line, tied to various equipment, injected with antibiotics and supplements to keep them "healthy". when they can no longer produce milk they are sent to the slaughterhouse for low quality beef products (pet food, sausages). the calves usually don't get any of their mother's milk, instead they are fed a cheaper soy based formula and raised either for slaughter or dairy. the cycle continues over and over again, with hundreds of millions of cows killed every year. India is the second largest exporter of beef, despite cows being revered as a "mother".
veganism is a way of living that goes beyond a diet, as vegans try to avoid other animal exploitation industries like for-profit zoos, leather, pet farms, circus, etc to the best of their ability.
As a vegan I still don't eat vegan cheese
There have been leaps and bounds in the past couple of years tbf
@@Deathhead68 I agree but I still can't stand it, personally it's a waste of my money but I am glad that people are invested and trying to advance what can be achieved in food and science.
@@jeamspqr8439 A couple ones, violife and Applewood are decent if you wanted to try, but yeah I don't blame you. It's pure junk food too, basically just oil lol.
So if a person is allergic to milk and you go using all the same protein structures that are found in a cows milk to make vegan milk…won’t they be allergic to the vegan milk with synthesized animal proteins? Just had to go vegan due to some health issues. Actually more flexitarian cause I can still eat chicken and fish without feeling like I’m having an out of body experience about to be followed by a funeral. I gotta be REAL careful what I put in my tank after abusing my diet for 38 yrs. Wish I would have been less stubborn and judgmental of the vegan diet when I first heard of it years ago. But *sigh* fk it I’m here now. Life is good. Plus I got to learn to make so much good food. Any way…
Cheers.
I make vegan nut-free mozzarella in 10 minutes without cooking, and it melts, stretches and grills on pizza perfectly well. It is tested by Italians too.
Do you have a recipe or link to a video?
As a vegan, I’d really appreciate my artificial cheese melting. Thank you for clearing the air on this troubling issue that I have.
As a vegan, I never buy plant based cheese, not just because they don’t melt, but that they are laced with coconut oil which is saturated fat. I simply don’t think plant based cheese is that much healthier than their animal counterparts.
So u just never eat cheese?
No cheeseburgers, no pizzas?
That's kinda sad man ngl
@@AnjaliSingh-0304 You’d be surprised how much delicious food there is in the vegan world.
@@AnjaliSingh-0304 I never eat cheeseburgers or pizzas, but I do eat coconut cream or milk almost every day. :) good for my brain.
This is so sad for people with CMPA. If my daughter doesn’t outgrow hers she will not be able to consume these in the future.
What is CMPA?
@@amy_inglis cow’s milk protein allergy. Casein is a cow’s milk protein which is what they’re trying to replicate.
2:24
Wouldnt it make sence to genetically modify the yeast,
Chao Original Slices melt pretty well. They are perfect for grilled cheese.
I had a vegan pizza at brixx pizza
I had to ask the waitress 3x if she accidentally gave me real cheese
I weirdly developed a milk allergy last year… milk products makes me violently ill
this is a really misleading title. this isn't about it melting - it's about stretch. semi-Clickbait.
I applaud the efforts being made to create plant-based casein. However, that may only get you to the textural characteristics of dairy cheese. What about the flavor profile? Will you rely on so-called "natural flavors" to accomplish that, as everyone currently does, or will you try to use fermentation? The use of "natural flavors", rampant in the meat and dairy analog category, is a synthetic approach and it often results in an artificial flavor, in my opinion.
Casein also adds to the flavor profile of cheese.
@@queenielouweekly3160 Last night I happened to watch this video because the youtube algorithm suggested it to me. I had previously viewed it a few years ago which is when I commented on it, the comment to which you replied. What's extremely odd is that I watched it prior to you replying to my comment, and by "prior" I mean a minute prior. In other words, I watched it, then checked my email maybe one minute later and saw that a reply had been left so I then saw your reply. This seems extremely unlikely to be a coincidence yet I can't explain it and I wonder if you can explain it. Thanks in advance.
CHAO Brand melts perfectly and is AMAZING!!!
I always wondered. Thanks, guys!
everyone always says vegan cheese doesn't melt but I eat Mac and cheese, grilled cheeses, etc all the time and NEVEr have a problem melting cheese. Am I really the only one?
The main problem of vegan cheese is the near-complete absence of nutritional value - most are purely fat-based with very little protein
I heard The Terminator voiced over Orville Redenbacher's moving lips @2:35
Try chao cheese and Violife cheeses. They melt like regular cheese.
I have always wondered why vegan cheese doesn't melt as much. It is still delicious to eat though
Casein is the gluten of dairy. 😒
This has me very worried. A lot of us who eat vegan cheese are allergic to casein. So this sounds like gluten free bread makers trying to add gluten to make their bread more normal.
Im sure there will continue to be casein free cheeze. As a vegan Im BEYOND excited
@@nohandlepleaseandthanks “your concerns about these products aren’t anything to me except a roadblock to getting what I want”
@@vsm6847 I'm sorry you can't eat casein. However, would you ask the world to cease eating gluten because some people have celiacs disease? I assure you there will continue to be gluten and casein free foods but I think quality vegan products like this make reducing your carbon emissions by lowering your animal product intake way more approachable to the general public. I can't tell you how many people I know who "would be vegan but I love cheese too much"
Wait what I literally got super gooey vegan mozzarella cheese a few months ago
Yeah, there are a bunch of vegan cheeses that melt really nicely. This might be a made up problem.
Seems to melt of you wet it. Vegan grilled cheese/quesadillas/etc. melts if you put some sort of a metal pot over to contain the heat!
Violife melts best imo
well thank goodness they’re replicating the casein protein in labs without cows like “brave robot” ice cream. now do it for cheese, the brand “follow your heart” is on to something
Wow I want to become cheese researcher too
Cheese of the future maybe, but that would only be so if it can not only be reliably mass produced, but sold at a very cheap price as to contend with traditional cheese and other non-vegan products. I am an avid fan of the vegan diet, but sadly it can be quite costly, especially with how my existence is grounded on a 3rd world country.
A switch in lifestyle is always welcome if the benefits outweigh the costs.
I had vegan cheese a few months ago and I think it was only a dollar more expensive than normal cheese so honestly the price wasn’t bad at all. I totally agree with your reasoning tho, if they’re able to lower prices on vegan alternatives I would gladly do it.
@@imtired6614 in my country rarely is real cheese even seen. We only see it in american pizza. We only really get the cheap artificial ones, so it really wouldn't be any different if we switched to vegan cheese. Although I doubt it can compete to 200g/dollar price tag of our glorified block of salty wax labeled as cheese.
everyone: so you guys cure cancer yet?
scientists: *melted vegan cheese*
Helps to cure the climate crisis
@@FasFas160 doesn't. Better would be to have more public transport
😂
@@yayayayya4731 that helps as well! :) but if you don't think that the world is gonna have to become much much more plantbased in the future for this planet to survive, then you're simply not aware of the facts.
Vegan Cheese is the cure to cancer xD
Honestly we’re all going to have to switch to plant-based food if we want this planet to survive
What the f happened to my reply man
@Related_browser1 ✓ I doubt anyone on the left or right will. Corporations make too much money, so why interrupt the status quo?
Lol you really think there is enough plants or enough farms to feed all human beings plus all the animals?!
ua-cam.com/video/uKYgFTGnqP4/v-deo.html nice
What I was saying was that the most the plant based idea can do is 3-4 % less carbon footprint. This is actual research based findings(I did try to post the link, but the alg0rithm deleted my reply). Which is not worth it, as it will take a lot of money, which can be used to make stronger public transit systems.
Next they gotta make the Dandies marshmallows more meltable for rice krispies. 👏
watch a number of vegan cheese videos and you can find plenty that make stretchy cheese. I really do like precision fermentation, but mainly to make the world more eco (like a more eco way of getting omega 3 through algae) and not really to recreate real animal products. The reason is beacuse of allergies, too reminiscent of animal products, etc. Why not find a similar chemical to casein and go with that?
To the Comment Section: There is no need to mention *Morals* in being vegan
Get off your high horse that you want to prove yourselves that your better than "meat eaters"
the supermarket vegan cheese shoudnt be called cheese because cheese is fermented. fermented vegan cheese is amazing, shop vegan cheese is potato puree with aroma
This will be a nightmare for people who are allergic to diary
whats you guys favorite vegan Cheese?? mine is chao
I love the daiya jalapeño block, but follow your heart shreds melt the best for me :D
Miyokos is good but hard to find and more expensive
Violife if you guys have that
I Iived through thread lean vegan cheese years 89 until now.
What are you smoking cuz I want some
@@AlaskanGamerz I freebase cocaine.
For a second I thought this was the Cheddar channel
Would have been perfect smh
Yeah ... A pity. I love Cheddar 🧀
Can anyone explain what part of milk is "non-vegan"?
In the dairy industry cows are impregnated so that they'll produce milk, the male and surplus calves are killed within a few days to a few weeks of being born and the mothers are exploited for their milk until their yield begins to decline at the age of about 4 to 6 year when they are also slaughtered. A cow can live for up to 22 years.
Dairy is an industry of violence and exploitation, that's why it's not vegan.
I've been veg/vegan for abt 40 years and agree that there's no good vegan cheese... at least if you're trying to imitate animal cheese. Plus the vegan cheese is high fat/salt, etc. I'm in it for heath first and foremost.. not really interested any more. Tastes change, and I'm not really interested in anything that tries to imitate something I don't like or want.
I don't care about being vegan but if it's CHEAPER then people will definitely eat less meat
LOL meat is expensive
@@BKD995 it is, but are the vegan alternatives cheaper?
I just wish more vegan companies weren't so reliant upon coconut oil in their ingredients.
Will it be less calories than real cheese?
2:56 He said heterologous, not homologous, they have opposite definitions :>)
Vegan cheese does melt it just needs to get warm enough! And it depends on the brand
I melt vegan cheese in water and sodium citrate, and it will melt with the same texture as Velveeta.
And not one mention of morals which is what veganism is all about.
Is mentioning morals more important to you than acting accordingly? I'd say actions are more important than words.
@@BKD995 Veganism IS about aligning our actions with our words and beliefs.
I don't have to worry about this at all. I find cheese disgusting.
There's a few that melt? violife, and earth island are my go tos when I make Mac and Cheese or pizza.
I'm happy how people in the comments are not insulting vegans/veganism and actually totally cool with people being vegan
That's great👍🏼👍🏼
Wait… vegan cheeses can have nuts? Well add that to the list of things that I need to scour the ingredients list before eating or else I could die :/ I thought cheese of all things would be safe
I have found that daiya vegan cheese melts well and I just found a daiya boxed Mac n cheese at Walmart too!! (:
If you have allergies or ethical reasons not to eat animal products I think this is great science but the best food is the simplest food. IE fewer ingredients and steps. So maybe the key is eating less cheese or meat products to reduce animal livestock numbers not making lab created alternatives?
Lol. Violife vegan cheeze melts a beaut. Poor reporting
It doesn't melt like real cheese
@@joshswain6495 tell that to my vegan mac and cheese
We are living in exciting times
3:42 looks very sussy, looking very among us
S U S
Vegan Cheese: I resist
When vegan cheese is more expensive than real cheese...
Because animal agriculture is subsidized and because there's still low demand for vegan cheese while a lot of money is needed for all research and development.
Give it to meeeee already! I wanna have pizza again
I like the mayo jar next to the sciency microscope.
What would the benefits of a vegan cheese be? So far what Weve seen is the vegetarian version of a substitute is just as, or worse for you than the animal variant
Chao cheese bubbles and stretches!