Nik Nocturnal | is Rock dead?!
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*Is rock dead? Let me know your thoughts in the comments!*
Rappers like Kanye West have said it and their fans of course agree with them. Kanye even said that "rappers are the new rockstars and I'm the biggest rockstar of all time" or something along those lines.
Nik - Rock is dead unless you include modern metal, which I think are very different things.
Ye meant it in the way that rappers are the new mainstream money-makers, like pop, the new sellouts to big record labels, rock, as in the genre is not dead, the best bands just refuse to sell out so they struggle on their own or on a small scale without radio access, streaming platform priority/forced ads, or tv channels, what is dead is "mainstream rock" music. The mainstream music industry is pure evil, you become owned, you burn out and lose yourself for a decade of fame and success then die, "rock" being "dead" just means they're struggling to exploit the genre now, i.e no fresh meat for the grinder.
As a teenager who listens to rock and metal pretty much every kid in my high school thinks rock is dead
I've managed to find quite a few modern rock bands that I like.
Band-Maid
Black Pistol Fire
Blues Pills
The Cold Stares
Crown Lands
Dirty Honey
Ghost Hounds
Kaleo
Larkin Poe
Mammoth WVH
Northward (a project of veteran metal musicians, but whatever)
The Record Company
Rival Sons
The Warning
Wolfmother
Rock isn't dead, it's just more diverse than ever. There are so many bands pushing new innovations and subgenres that to say it's "dead" is flat out wrong.
Jazz, blues etc are all dead, but i bet you can find a new blues or jazz artists with 20 million plays on YT and large spotify audiences. But its still dead. No one cares about the innovations of jazz (they are still literally happening, new diverse jazz genres, interpretations etc, just as there is in "classical") just like the "innovations" of metal are fizzled. Find me a band that doesnt sound like all the ones that came before. Look at Grunge to Glam, Glam to Classic, Classic to Rock, Rock to RocknRoll, metals last true innovations were the combination of Hardcore and Death metal to creat the core Genres, and then they spinned of in to sub categories and then we got Djent which is the last stylistically differentiating form of metal to come out in 10 years+. STP is still deathcore, i mean were almost to the point where the Joke bands are gaining more popularity, just like Steel Panther did with glam lol
Yea I believe rock isn’t dead either
Rock is dead trust me
Rock or metal music is not dying, rather I'm noticing that artists are experimenting with different genres of music to create something new, and honestly, I'm living for it
Fan-fuckin-tastic. So who the hell are they? Where are they? They may be doing amazing stuff for a small audience inside a niche sub-genre, but that hardly qualifies as "Rock is still alive!!" The same genre that once packed over a million at stadiums and sold the best-selling records of all time.
@@UnchainedEruption well that’s too bad man
@@UnchainedEruption um, hello?? Mr. Dramian pointed them out. examples being: Nothing More and Bring me. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they are not producing songs that blend dynamic sounds, doesn't mean that they are not promoting the rock genre and helping it move forward, because they are, thus keeping rock genre alive and breathing. You just are not paying attention.
Mostly when people say "Blank is dying" it usually mean from the mainstream not that there is no innovation. There are still new Jazz artist and brand new Jazz subgenres being made. There is even new composers making classical style of music. However, they are "dead genres" because they get no mainstream focus.
Classic Rock is honestly making a comeback, there's Maneskin who won Eurovision (European song contest) that shot them right into fame, and there's Dirty Honey who are very steadily climbing in fame every day and they are both definitely classic rock, pretty good too
Classic Rock is an oxymoron. Rock should be rebellious not appealing to authority. What you're seeing is sly corporate fuckery. It's nostalgia-baiting. It's trying to be as shallow and identical as possible in the hopes that a soulless a.i. algorithm will pick it up and place it in people's recommended feeds. There is nothing original about that. Everything else in Hollywood, games, you name it is doing the same thing.
@@UnchainedEruption well said
@@UnchainedEruption I mean... fair, but honestly? I don't give a flying fuck, the music sounds good, so I listen to it, and that's really all that matters to me
@@gervasiocampana6217 To me the meaning and lyrics matter as well, not as much as the melody, but they do matter.. so Maneski and all that, I say "Good, make Rock popular again, but then let the actual Rock bands show themselves too"
@@necrom4454 Don't be so quick to dismiss Maneskin. If you're looking for meaningful lyrics, i recommend their song "Coraline". It's my favorite song from them and it shows that even though some of their music seems shallow, they put a lot of heart into what they're doing.
The fact that shitty rappers swim in money, but really good bands can barely make living says it all for me.
You have to sell tonns of other crap to make living and tour like mad if you want to feed your family by playing rock/metal
Every rock band that was formed in the 1950s and up are still alive to this day and are still going strong! So rock is not dead, if the world ends, rock music will still live on forever.
Coming from a TEENAGER...rock is not dead and it never will be!
Plus now it's even more popular in the west
My 3 and 7 year old girls love Iron Maiden Soilwork and Slayer. Dad in very proud.
I think when people say rock is dead it's just because is kinda disappeared from the billboard chart and the mainstream in general. There are a couple of new bands but compared with New rappers and quite a small number. And to be honest, rock and metal bands who headline big festivals and selling out stadiums are still the bands from the 80's and 90's (even 70's).
Rock... well metal is getting stronger than it ever has been. Radio being the main consumption before our generation is a massive thing.
People like me who are halfway to 70 now have the best time right now. I'm 35 in March but I saw GnR in Paris 92 with my dad, saw Green Day in 2002 at 15 with friends; went to 7 Alter Bridge gigs in 2006 and I've seen Coheed and Cambria about 14 times. I've lived it all and I only found hardcore with Architects in 2007
I still can't believe that the hardcore/metalcore scene got so big during 2003-2010 time period.
Rock isn't dead and won't be, I'm sure in 10-15 years it would be very popular again... Trust me kids will be headbanging at school and shit
Well, I'm 52 and probably heard Rock is Dead more times than I can count, it more ebbs and flows with change in tastes, but, it's always there and always will be, but if rock was always popular and in the forefront, it would be like eating your favorite ice cream everyday and you'd just get tired of it. To me it's a good thing that it goes into the background once in a while, because when it comes back, it sounds fresh.
When people say rock is dead and buried it's more like the seed of rock has been planted. Soon new and innovative rock will sprout from it and thrive again. Also, I'll be 53 on Saturday and have heard rock is dead more times than I can count to.
Must be really fresh, because it's been cooking in the background for 2 decades now.
@@UnchainedEruption this
Although I love MIW and I'm glad that he mentioned them, I wouldn't call them rock, personally.
Tbh i would definitely enjoy a Posty Polyphia album. I mean they are already using Trap Beats in their music and if done right the combination would be great :D
Considering Posty's a huge metal head, he would probably love that
I've managed to find quite a few modern rock bands that I like.
Band-Maid
Black Pistol Fire
Blues Pills
The Cold Stares
Crown Lands
Dirty Honey
Ghost Hounds
Kaleo
Larkin Poe
Mammoth WVH
Northward (a project of veteran metal musicians, but whatever)
The Record Company
Rival Sons
The Warning
Wolfmother
Rock isn't dead, boomers just have difficulty finding band cause there are like 20 million more bands to discover. Not just 5 bands that dominate all outlets.
Rock is not gone, but it's not Billboard Top 100, Multiple Gold/Platinum records, stadium tour 'big' anymore. Yes, there are bands that are big, but not new bands making headlines and influencing pop culture and being relevant outside of the rock/metal scene.
Rock isn't dead, but it's evolving, like how 2000's pop is way different than pop now lmao
@Call Me, BLEGH Me, If You Wanna Reach Me we’ll say the same thing in 10-15 years. People will remember the 20 or so great songs and the rest of the garbage will be forgotten
@@phaaaze9984 there's not 20 or so great songs in current pop
@@nurgle333 in 20 years the sama thing will be said
I was born in 69 and went through the whole 80's and 90's rock metal boom. The scene declined for a while but didn't die out. Now there's more interest in the scene than there has been for a number of years. I don't know if rock/metal will be as popular as it was in the 80's or 90's but I'm enjoying what's happening now.
An aspect people seem to not acknowledge is video games and anime. Anime has a lot of gateway songs and bands for heavier music which stems from the fact that they tend to use popular artists and bands to produce songs for their shows. Ling Tosite Sigure, UVERworld, Coldrain, Aimer and LiSA all come to mind. Hell, Attack on Titan's new opening is metal. If you make a song for a popular anime, you get a lot more traction. Coldrain got a spike due to Mayday being used for Fire Force (which to me is crazy to see Crystal Lake blow up without having their songs used for anime).
And I've seen so many people say that they don't like metal but love the Doom soundtrack and other big franchises like Sonic and Tony Hawk have used rock and metal in their soundtracks. With Metal Hellsinger coming this year I can see that it could be another one to open the gates especially with big names tied to it like Matt Heafy, Alissa White-Gluz, Randy Blythe and Tatiana Shmayluk.
I hear it every time Imagine Dragons tops a rock chart. But every time I think of rock I remember Buckcherry exists and get sad
If you have any doubts about rock, being dead. Listen to Alter Bridge, they are the definition of rock, Miles and Mark are keeping the genre alive!! 🤘
Shout out to that guy in the chat with the Beartooth lyric cause that’s exactly what I was thinking too 😂
Corey Taylor doesn’t think Rock is dead, Why would he release songs like Through The Glass and Bother, by stone sour
Edit: You talked about maroon 5, they’re new shit SUCKS (In my own opinion) but when I was younger, Wake up call SLAPPED, I used to love it, Now I don’t listen to They’re music, let alone I don’t listen to pop………..John Mayer is an exception, he’s cool, He plays blues but categorized at Blues/pop/rock
I really want to know REALLY young bands. BMTH and MIW are very great bands but they both have at least 15 years old. I listen to and i love metal bands from the 2000's, 90's, 80's, even from 70's. But the genre need the next generation of young bands that push the genre to feel fresh. Spiritbox and Bad Omens are good examples, even if they are not very young. I'm excited for see what new bands are going to explose and put her music in the map this decade.
Rock is one thing, metal is another, they are NOT the same thing.
@@DaniloCardoso1991 3rd time
Yes they fukin are
i enjoyed discovering "young" bands as you say back in the day (mid 2000's). there was this website i randomly discovered that would post albums as they were released (im sure they still exist, just cant recall what this one was). used to download everything and discovered some great bands that way with their first releases. still remember the first time i heard the foreshadowing.
these days im too set in my ways and just keep going back to the same old music ive been listening to for 20-25 years and cant be bothered checking out anything new. ill never listen to that rap crap though.
@@V2ULTRAKill he’s right but he’s also wrong, metal is a genre, however at the same time it’s a subgenre of rock. Anyone who disagrees needs to look up heavy metal in a dictionary or encyclopedia.
@@metalflorida yeah but the dude was a fuckhead so i gave them the same energy back
As much as I wish Escape the Fate, Black Sabbath, and Sanguisugabogg werent the same genre (just because they sound so different it causes issues) they arent, but also are, stoner slam definitely isnt the same as post punk or classic heavy metal (or doom metal if youre pedantic)
it's a cycle like seasons always changing
and you sir are part of the New wave of What ever is coming
i can't wait for more Soul shocking music
I was playing polyphia on guitar a little while back, and now my dad, who is nearing his fifties, is a polyphia fan and puts their music on during dinner!!
Rock isn’t dead per se, but it isn’t thriving in the mainstream anymore. And I’m talking about world mainstream, not just western mainstream. But I’m mostly talking about the newest bands. Older bands who made it big like 20 to 10 years ago can still get a lot of traction now, based on their previous success. So Rock is pretty much a niche at this point, but it’s still killing it nonetheless. I mean many rock songs just age so well, and I can’t say the same about many pop stuffs.
I don't think rock is anywhere near dead. A dead genre is like Dubstep (don't call me a Dubstep hater, I grew up loving it) but it's nowhere near what it was.
Damn dubsteps dead? How come?
It got super popular and then just vanished. Like you used to hear about these massive EDM festivals all the time, now there is nothing. People used to talk about to Dubstep, now if you bring it people say "oh yeah, that was a thing". Kind of like Disco, it was super popular for like a decade and then just stopped. People still made it and still do or have elements, but Disco is dead.
@@unknowngaming1432 dubstep is very much alive, skrillex clones are dead, dubstep existed long before skrillex fucked up the genre and itll thrive long after skrillex is forgotten
@@unknowngaming1432 See this is why when someone says something is or isnt dead its entirely derived from your own bubble. Those festivals still happened a ton prior to 2020, all the time, i have plenty of "rave" friends who are always going out now to local spots and they are in their young 20s. I agree that it is a dead genre, but i can almost garuntee those local EDM clubs have more people attending per show, then most metal touring acts.
@@plusixty8992 of course. The audience isn't dead and the shows still happen, but on a larger scale I belive that genre has died as for a majority of people it has disappeared. Metal and rock is still everywhere and still growing, unlike Dubstep in my experience where either evolved and then just kinda was done. Died out like a flame.
When we're allowed to again, come visit Wacken, and watch everything that isn't on the main stages, and you'll discover rock and metal are very much alive. That said, I guess in Europe we don't give a flying toss about what some guy from Disturbed says about anything.
Rock is dead in the sense that it's not the center of the cultural zeitgeist, it being replaced by hip-hop. It'll never see the success and relevance it had, but can still be successful. It's the same thing that happened to swing & jazz, they're still successful genres on several levels.
Y’all seen the line up for So What Music Fest in Arlington Texas?
Tbh the popularity doesn't concern me. As long as I can mosh to that new Tallah album while seeing the subreddit lose their shit over it, I know it'll always be great
MGK will tour with slipknot after he's done beefing with Corey Taylor
I mean, I would say that rock (more so more metal) is still going pretty strong and there are a number of classic rock bands that are still going and touring like Paul McCartney, Queen (Brian May and Roger Taylor now with Adam Lambert), Pink Floyd á la Roger Waters, Metallica, Iron Maiden, etc. but there are also a lot of good metal bands like Avenged Sevenfold, Gojira, Slipknot, Code Orange, etc.
Rock will never die. There are so many bands that still keep that alive and another band I wanna say keeps it alive to is Greta Van Fleet. Rock is alive along with all these other genres out there too
Greta van fleet is trash though
@@nurgle333 to you maybe a lot of people like them probably the biggest rock band other than foo fighters atm
BMTH got me into metal, ink kept me there👀🙌
i mean, if a metal / rock genre has a medium to get popular its pretty much alive, mgk's rap fans might've gotten into pop punk after tickets to my downfall, anime being s popular as ever with anime's like fire force, Aot having kickss core ops, tons of modern bands charting on billboard, BMTH bringing tons of new ppl into the genre. i mean, to me this looks pretty alive
What are your favorite modern Rock bands? Mine are Rival Sons, Alter Bridge and Black Stone Cherry! Please answer, I'm gonna listen to all of them! ♥
Beartooth literally have a song called rock is dead
I’m thinking Lorna shore is gonna take over I mean they’re touring with with BMTH I mean that’s fuckin crazy I think there’s a possibility we see another “slipknot”
Rock is not dead. It is not the most mainstream music now days but it doesn’t mean its dead.
I'm in my early 50s and I heard about Post Malone somewhere and how many people were into him and how he was a musical 'genius'. Then I saw one of his live videos. Holy crap, I can't believe you can get that many people hyped about, not just mediocrity, but just straight up garbage! I don't feel this way about all modern music, just what seems to be the most popular right now.
Lady Gaga and Metallica was an awesome performance…but imagine Harry styles with slaughter to prevail 😂😂😂
Could be interesting!
'Phrost
From what I hear, rock is dead but metal has never been more alive, which doesn't make sense
That's the comment i was looking for, they are 2 completely different genres and people always think they are the same.
@@DaniloCardoso1991 but they arent
Metal is literally that one subgenre of rock that got so far up its own ass people forgot its origins
@@DaniloCardoso1991 if they are completely different then why was Metallica at the Monsters of Rock festival in 1989 and recently at the Welcome to Rockville festival? Why does Dio have a song titled Rock ‘n’ Roll Children? Why does Judas Priest have an album called Rocka Rolla?
@@metalflorida Rock in rio in brazil they put every kind of bullshit, most of it is not even rock or metal. Keep it to the music, if it sounds like metal, so be it. And all of these bands are old, they were in the middle of the evolution of rock into metal (Metallica, the newest of them has Metal in its name lol), and yeah, i don't deny that one thing led to the other, but it became its own genre.
I think he's talking about rock music in general which includes punk, metal, etc..
Rock isn’t dead it’s just not the top genre like it used to be.
ROCK WILL NEVER DIEEEEEEE YAAAAAAAAH
The traditional concepts of musical genre are pretty much dead so our old ideas, delineations often don't apply anymore.
I do think screaming and Metal are going to remain pretty niche, they may be popping up more but I don't see them dominating because most people are looking to be soothed by music and not really challenged by the sounds they hear!
The only reason why they think it's dead cuz rock is no longer mainstream. But that doesn't mean the genre is coming to and end
Finn McKenty some times says Rock is dead
Rock and metal aren't dead, they just became more separated from the popular scene which is now changing. I think only fandoms and tribalism didn't help this. I keep saying this decade will be the next 90s, both because of the average age of parents now and also because of the hybrid nature of a lot of stuff. Say what you want about commercial core and it's blurring of genre lines to make empty sounding music (and I agree) it allowed rock and modern-pop to become a more interesting sonic playground in the long run. I also felt that for a long time every new rock and metal band was only inspired by other rock and metal bands, sometimes only within very specific sounds. We're starting to see more people pull from a wider amount of influences in all genres which allows for the hybridity to occur. Side note, rock and metal are thriving in the underground with bands like wargasm and strange bones. You just need to know where to look. Second side note, a Post Malone x polyfia tour makes way too much sense
Rock is very much alive. Bands are not dominating the charts like they used to so now they’re making music in the alternative scene without the overarching control from major labels
do you have the Muse reaction?
You got the muse reaction?
3:58 "Dwayne Johnson still lives" LOL
Cypress Hill and Ho99o9 is touring with Slipknot now
Don’t see many females at metal shows, at least in San Diego. But most big tours expect us to drive to Los Angeles . If I met a girl willing to buy a tool ticket for $400 I’d be all in
short answer - yes
long answer - still kinda kickin'
Rock is very much not dead, we still have Breaking Benjamin! 🤘🤘
to me Rock isnt dead, it's evolved, Rock and Metal is intertwined to me and Metal is being discovered by more and more people every day, it'll never die.
Look up heavy metal in a dictionary or encyclopedia, it’s intertwined because heavy metal is a style of rock music.
Not dead, but evolving, maybe even morphing. Look at what Frog Leap Studios and Broken Peach are doing. Rock in the 'conventional' form like say Guns 'n Roses or Foo Fighters kind of way, yes I believe it is. But no more 'dead' than jazz or classical music. It just isn't main stream anymore. Just receding into a niche where modern 'pop' can pick bits of it and call it their own. A bit bees in a honey comb.
If it were really alive and kicking, you wouldn't have to ask. You'd know because you'd be reeling from the right hook he just delivered to your stomach. What you're doing is looking at a comatose patient on life support and asking, Hmm, is he *really* dead, or is he actually just exploring an interesting new kind of being alive?
rock is not dead in my opinion, i feel like people think rock is dead because it is lighter music then metal and a lot of the younger generations get heavier and heavier. i am a big fan of trap metal and metal in general the only thing i don't like is metalheads listening to trap metal and say no because you need to evolve your music taste, i know pop music is huge but i think rap is even bigger and i wish hip hop heads and even old school hip hop heads be more open minded and i hope it makes it's way to t he mainstream one day but i feeling that's not going to happen
Bad Wolves died with Tommy Vext's exit.
What happened to rock? Time passed. There's only so much you can do with the basic singer/guitarist/bassist/drummer setup without adding other elements. There's a finite amount of songs you can write with the available notes and chords on a guitar, only so many drum patterns you can play and only so many 4x4 rock songs you can write. After many decades of people doing this, they exhausted most of the creativity, and that resulted in experimentation and crossover into subgenres because people want to hear something new and different. Obviously bands can still write and release good basic "rock" music but it's pretty hard to stand out in this day and age just doing that. Same goes for pop and rap, that's why there's so much crossover now like a metal or rap cameo in pop songs and vice versa.
YES! Another twitch episode. Great! I think rock isn't dead tho.
It's the pop musicians lol influenceing rock musicians resulting changes in rock music. Like they add synths and stuff like that etc .
The only rock band heard these days are Machine Gun Kelly and Skillet. Rock isn't dead but it just for less.
5:58 tiktok is cringe 😂 those kids listen to trap music wearing a hood thinking they're cool lol. So the other day I thought of discovering trap metal it was just a normal rock riff (not even that catchy) with a million Hi- hats in it lol and people in that comment section were just like "ohh this is how u release all ur anger so heavy" I bet they haven't evenheard the word metal in thier lives lol but hip hop is sometimes good I make hip hop too sometimes.
Tik tok isn't a bad place the people in it made it WORSE. But there are some talented musicians in there.
All they do to get views is just write some random lottery numbers in the screen and pluck some Guitar strings and replacing the audio with some annoying song LMAO
5:58 everything u said from here was absolutely right.
Imagine if drake screamed Blegh and became a metal vocalist....
And then Ed Sheeran and Bring Me collaborated on Bad Habits... Nik predicted the future.
Rock is dying..? Or at least it isn't much of it left. There are like 10-20 big rock bands out there formed after 2000, and everything else has either shifted towards metal, pop, or electronic. Honestly, the only band that exists right now that I would call pure "rock", if that even is a thing, is Foo Fighters. Everything else is fusing with other genres, and nobody is bothering to try and redefine what rock has become.
Where metal is hyper focused on genres, rock just said "fuck it" and decided to become something else.
Well ETID broke up...
But so much good music this past year
Bruh, people are lame for listening to metal since like mid 2010s if not earlier.
At some Point a Pop artist will collab with a rock artist go viral and rock will be more maonstream again probably
and now Oli Sykes is going to collab with MGK, damn wtf
if you consider Imagine dragons, MGK to be some sorta rock genre, its alive. If not its as dead as British Queen. Indie rock like Arctic Monkeys, The 1975 kinda shii is alive thoe. The classic rock, heavy metal kinda shii is dead
rock 4 me is led zeppelin Pink Floyd queen and fleetwood mac. so i would say that its dead now may rise again who knows?
i mean the proof is in the bands he listed. BMTH is 15 years old, MIW 15 yrs old, Nothing more is 20 years old. There are no new acts that are actually gaining any mainstream popularity. Jazz died, blues died, classical died, its ok. They arent mainstream at all anymore and metal just really isnt either. Not anywhere near Rap or Country where new artists are thriving and seeing hug success. Were gonna see rock/metal styles being integreated into these genres but really i dont see metal or rock as it was being anything of relevance. i could feel it happening about5/6 years ago, and now its really rolling it out. There no new nirvana, no cannibal corpse, nothing grabbing or attracting.
@ayham kimo that’s simply untrue that it takes 10 years of work. Most bands that become something do so relatively quickly generally within a couple years, nowadays it might take 10 years because metal is essentially dead but there is no new cannibal corpses no new genres being produced in metal anymore the last one was djent which is just progressive deathcore
@ayham kimo you’re right that rock isn’t just America and I am entirely basing this off of America. But that is the prism we see through. Eastern music is dead here despite its massive popularity in the East. Mariachi is banging in Mexico, number one spots but it’s dead in America unless your Mexican. Rock not being dead in some Euro countries isnt an indicator of health and one or two acts gaining noteriety is again a sign of death. They’re a jazz/blues/classic rock/insert dead genres here that gain massive traction and get huge that does not mean jazz revived, blues revived or the Greta con fleet ushered in a new era of classic rock (they didn’t) the metal/deathcore era was the last surge of metal popularity spring 15-20 years of new bands and innovation but at this point it’s gone and djent didn’t hold the torch.
@ayham kimo because in modern times no one gives a shit! Spiritbox is about the only metal band that has become anything in 5/6 years. Eskimo callboy is getting there. But we’re talking about in 2011 we have had sleeping with sirens, I see stars etc that were MASSIVE getting 10x what spiritbox or Eskimo are getting for plays and shit. We are in its death throes. Have a couple off shoots is not an indicator of revival or that the genre isn’t dead. There are acts that are big, can get big, and will get big. Maneskin is highly unoroginal which is another nail, if you get popular singing like and making music like frank sinatra, it doesn’t mean jazz revived lol it’s like saying micheal Bublee revived jazz lol I mean literally if someone said jazz isn’t dead look at these new artists doing big things and listed bublee from 2005 as a source of “new talent” for jazz.. well. That’d be insane. Except.. David did that. Listed 3 bands that are old as hell and have been popular for literally years upon years. It’s not just “because I think so” the proof is in its popularity. Your the one that thinks a singular rock band gaining popularity is a sign of it not being dead and the said 2 bands that are 2 of the only relevant metal bands that rose quickly. You obviously have not been in bands or are a musician because that’s not how the industry works. Most of the time if you haven’t garnered succes in 2-3 years your bands basically done. There is almost nothing you can do. And I’ve been in a band for 6 years before lol hell the band I’m in rn is 4/5 years old, I love the music but it’s nothing “innovative”. I’m sticking with it cuz it has traction and did so on its debut release. Do you talk to any people in bands because the ignorance is astounding.
@ayham kimo but I know the local musicians, have played with the big acts, asked questions and gathered data for what people did to garner success. And it’s always a flight. Eskimo callboy first fucking hit was 2 years after there formation you are so undereducated it’s laughable. Davids argument is bands that have been popular for 15 years are more popular than they were 15 years ago so they are new. His argument is weak and so is yours lol it’s not entirely dead, which I never said it was if you read my comments, I only have noted is steep and sharp decline stating “death throes” none of my language has said it’s completely dead, I said other genres have died and it’s ok if ours does too. If you release a song and it has hundreds of thousand of listens on YT and good streaming numbers then your there. You are signed, you have a base. Gaining more followers after being a reading act for 10 years isn’t the same as defining genres, creating new things etc. rock and metal is on its way out, it’s not impossible to be saved but like I said, no new nirvana, no new cannibal corpse, no periphery, etc nothing has come out to define new styles. And new styles determine health. Rap is still innovating. You probably are just in the crowd of “4/4 continuous beat bad” rap has done more innovating in its genre in 10 years then metal by far which is why it superseded it as the next most culturally relevant form of music.
@ayham kimo I can only laugh because using Eskimo callboy that started in 2010 and had a songs with 1 million+ views in 2011 and 2012 means they put in 10 years of work lol no. bands get success off the bat and then build on it, they don’t sit in a bunker for 9 years being over looked and then skyrocket. You release a couple songs and hope they take off and you do that for a few years if nothing happens then your pretty much just a large local act and every year your chances of relevancy diminish.
You can't kill something that's so influential.
I agree Rock isn't dead but man if I hear Thunderstruck one more time......
Weather rock is dead or not, I don't really care.. But there is no denying that rock is in an unbelievably sad state. Luckily, metal is alive and well!
Well he didn’t specify, he could be talking about metal too, because it’s a style of rock music.
Most of the music that makes the music charts, nowadays, is pop music.
Rock and metal are dead in terms of mainstream - in the 70s, 80s, 90s, rock and metal was on the mainstream charts constantly. Nowadays, rock and metal bands never find themselves on the top 200 charts (except maybe the already established legend status bands like Metallica, Maiden, etc). The normal rock/metal bands just have their own rock/metal charts and that's it. So yeah - sure, there's many bands and many genres, but the genre of rock itself is no longer considered a mainstream genre. They used to televise rock/metal nominations during award shows - they stopped doing that. Now it's all pop, rap and r&b.
Rock isn't dead. It's more like hard rock/alternative metal that has been on the decline. Rock will always be on the radio. Im talking bands like Red, Chevelle, Breaking Benjamin, three days grace. It feels like these types of bands are on the decline. Nowadays u either listen to something very tame or something very heavy. So ppl will listen to radio rock, or some heavy ass metal. The middle area is shortening
Bring Me The Horizon got me into core
It was his cousin you said that, Machine Fun Nelly
Machine Gun Kelly took his name from the 1930's American gangster, George "Machine Gun Kelly" Barnes.
Go listen to Turnstile's GLOW ON and then come tell me if rock is dead or not
Probably Mike Paton having a cry about Wolfmother or Greta Van Fleet.
Metalgate
Thank God that metal isn't dead because there would nothing else to listen to
Rock is not dead. Rock is just 'retired'
Greta Van Fleet is keeping rock alive!
MGK is obviously going to be touring with Ronnie Radke
Has no one here heard of starset
Rock music is very dead. Heavy music or "modern metal" is now more mainstream than rock music because we have bands like bring me the horizon, northlane, falling in reverse, novelists, bad omens etc. who are continuously reinventing and modernising the genre. Where as rock musicians seem to be set on "staying true to rock and roll" or "sticking to your roots" and just keep rehashing old sounds and styles then wonder why pop music is more popular.
Heavy metal is a style of rock music, five different dictionaries say so.
I swear its either a game is dead or its a music genre
Manson said rock is dead like 20 years ago
Rock needs new fun bands. I don’t know when rock became this super serious genre but it wasn’t always like that. It’s turned into musicians making music for other musicians. The vast majority of people don’t give a crap about your technique. They just want relatable music that is fun to listen to. If it’s well written that’s just a plus and will likely keep it alive for years to come. Rock for decades wasn’t afraid to have catchy hooks and melodies. But now every time a young band or artists come out that’s having fun a bunch of old heads stuck in 1988 say they’re making a mockery of rock music
I don’t like MGK that much but at least he’s trying to make rock music that has broad appeal. Yet everyone trashes him even though if he was doing his thing in the 80 everyone would be saying “hell yea that dude’s living the rockstar life”
Skull Fist, Enforcer, and Haunt are Great New Fun Bands. True Heavy Metal
No, it is far from dead. If Alice Cooper and other legends still believe and think that rock is alive, then it’s alive! The ones who say this are either the ones who like 80’s metal/rock or basement dwellers who only like the underground shit.
Aren’t all the bands Draiman mentioned like 20 years old?
Really depends how you define rock. If metal is included as a sub-genre of rock then no, rock is not dead.
I'd say rock is dead in the sense I don't see new "classic rock" sounding bands dominating the music industry.
"Happy-go-lucky" does describe pop and rock from decades ago. Lovers' music I call it, in a whistful way.
Billie Ellish is disturbed because of porn (her own admission), which is something which harms a lot of people.
I don't disagree with Nik's music predictions. I can see it.
Yeah, i define metal as a completely different genre, not a sub-genre of rock, maybe it could have been one day, but nowadays, certainly not.
@@DaniloCardoso1991 yeah it is....objectively
Just like punk is
Theyre the 2 divergent rock subgenres