@@nefelibata3213 it is the second time they are partnering with them and I really wonder if they sincerely do not know about all the stuff behind betterh*lp
What I love is that he thought about putting her down before falling 😂 Like 'there, you can stay here while I get rocks in my nose and mouth. Be right back'
@@histkontext No one is saying they were forced to make those movies, they're just saying the actors hated the movies too. Also I don't know about the actors' personal lives but maybe they really needed the money when they first got the role. Also, they had no way of knowing it would blow up and make them all those millions.
@@histkontext Yeah, they choose to participate in these awful films for money and as an career boost, to get other roles. But that doesn't change anything about the fact that they actually are capable actors, but had to work with an terrible script and that they hate the twilight movies.
More than this though. Unlike the delusion nowadays that Consent is ALL-JUSTIFYYYYING like a DIVIIINNEEE FORCE, actually theres way more that is bad aka 'perverse': Incest is really just the MOST OBVIOUS and literally just that. But theres more. Even if 2 Consent, it can be wrong, even IF they are not blood-related.
What's worse is that women are made to feel responsible for your death when you say that, which to me sometimes feels worse than being able to pull the card.
When a friend told me years ago that Twilight ruined his relationship with his ex, I laughed and told him he was being silly. He explained to me that his girlfriend started expecting him to act like Edward after reading the books. I didn't fully grasp what he meant until watching these videos. He knew when these stories first came out that Edward was controlling and abusive, and because he refused to treat her that way, she actually left him. That. Is. Sad. You guys aren't wrong.
I always find it weird when people genuinely want that controlling behavior out of a person, because even when I was younger watching these, I don't remember ever wanting a boyfriend like that. tbh, my favorite Twilight couple is Alice and Jasper
Twilight fans: We decide that we love twilight. Jonathan & Alan: I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.
@@arona6692 It's in the first Avengers movie when the secret council orders Nick Fury to launch a nuke at Manhattan to blow up the space portal to stop the invading aliens. Fury refused
Their worst I think could also mean mental health issues like depression or maybe some home troubles or something but if their worst is sexual assault then...
In my native language "hot" doesn't mean attractive, it means gay. So in that scene, Jacob is basically half-naked, staring in another man's eyes, saying "i'm gayer then you" 🙂
To be fair, Bella was essentially coerced into that kiss. Jacob was threatening suicide, and she didn’t want him to throw himself into battle to get killed. So she asked him to kiss her hoping it would change his attitude. You’re right, that does say a lot about her character, just not sure if it’s in the way you meant. Also, for the record, I’m not saying it was a smart move on her part, but I don’t think it was her fault or she did it to manipulate him.
@@wolfgoddess15 she can still think for herself. She kissed him with her fiancee right around the corner. She did it more because she wanted to (as she reveals) and saw an excuse to do it.
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are. You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one, but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane!
“You can find somebody who brings all of that good stuff-without assaulting, controlling, manipulating, disrespecting, dishonoring you…” As someone who broke free from a narcissistic relationship, these are words to live by.
Absolutely agreed. So much weight off your heart and your spirit. It's beautiful and freeing and cathartic. 💕 That's so wonderful, and I'm incredibly happy for you.
She can learn and be who she is supposed to be without a romantic partner. She is choosing to forever define herself by Edward and the Cullens. She is afraid of death and true growth.
Also you get a dead shell of woman (haha get it) who gets her life back, spends more time with her friends and ultimately moves back to live with her mom (+hubby)
i can’t express how much i love the names given to the characters in subtitles “vampire bride” “sparky” changing into “spark-less” in that scene where he doesn’t sparkle love it!
@@CinemaTherapyShow People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are. You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one, but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane! Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I thank Anna for that,i'm Brazilian and sometimes I have difficulty understanding spoken English, so the subtitles in English help me a lot to keep up with you. I love this channel!
@@tonichan89 Bella: You told me to choose, I chose Edward. Jacob: I said choose *me* Bella: How about n- Jacob: *Forces Bella to kiss him* You will choose me *now* , right? *RIGHT?!*
Concerning Jacob's and Bella's kiss, I'd like to point out that coerced consent is still not really consent. As you pointed out, he emotionally manipulated her by threatening to get himself killed if she did not give him a good enough reason to stay. Her expressing her emotions for him (in the books they are supposedly closer friends and Bella has come to genuinely care for him) by saying he is important to her is "not good enough" for him, but once she asked him to kiss her he doesn't even hesitate a second as if he'd had just waited for that. I hate how that is presented as she consenting to the kiss and even kissing him back. It's coerced consent and more than morally dubious imo
Cheers, that was my thought (as a woman who specializes in counseling DV/SA survivors). If you’re coerced, guilted, or threatened in any real way, you’re not truly consenting ( I only give the “real” qualifier cause I’m not including healthy, consenting bdsm relationships)
Jacob implying he will kill himself unless Bella is with him/chooses him etc. is really upsetting for me. My abusive ex used to threaten to kill himself everytime I wanted to leave to make me stay (because I would find out he cheated again, or he was hurting me). So I find it really hard to watch that part, and my friends who used to be Team Jacob (for me, this was a main reason I found Jacob to be trash) and they would say so much to excuse or justify it until they found out about how my ex treated me.
I sincerely hope you are in a good place now in life. The people who defend Jacob's actions there...there is something wrong with them. I was a sheltered 14 year old when I first read that and I knew it was not ok. It is sick and twisted and manipulative and not romantic at all.
@@breezy3392 Much better place now thankfully! I eventually realised he was all talk and no action with the threats. I agree, they have grown a lot since then, I suppose when its just a book or movie you don't have to care too much but when they say a real life example they realised how bad it is.
1) Jacob knows if a wolf doesn’t imprint on first sight after their first transformation, it’s never going to happen, so he’s okay with Bella ending up like Leah, broken-hearted and alone when his interest in her vanishes in a split-second. 2) Jacob assaulted Bella, and there was nothing done about it, because Bella’s father is his father’s best friend. 3) Jacob threatened to get himself killed if Bella didn’t show interest in him, so she kissed him to keep him from committing suicide (not that he would’ve actually done it). Team Anyone Else ❌
the "I make you feel nervous" resonated so hard with me. I once had a girl assume that I was attracted to her (and suggesting so) because she noticed my heart beating fast. The actual reason why my heart was pounding in my chest was that I was in panic mode and trying to get away from her as fast as possible. She had spent the last 2 hours crossing every boundary I tried to set, which was psychologically exhausting. I was nervous around her, but not because I liked her. Quite the opposite, actually.
Once in a bar (I was with a group of friends), a guy walked up and poured my beer into my glass. The action wasn’t wrong, it was the fact that this guy tried to take ownership of me when I didn’t know him from Adam. I have worse stories but won’t bore you with them, lol.
What kind of boundary crossing stuff did she do? Sorry, just curious. And also sorry that this happened to you, I hope you find someone who respects you and your boundaries.
She doesn't even sleep T_T she fakes it In the books she's like half asleep and wonders if the conversation between Jake and Edward is real but she hears it entirely
@@midoriemi3859 wow, I didn't think it was possible for me to have less respect for Bella. Now I'm mad she didn't get up, clunk their heads together a la Three Stooges, and tell them to stop being mouthy twits while she's trying to sleep.
The whole "talk with your kids about sex" thing is so important. My grandmother never talked to my mother about sex, or her period, or anything. They were very Catholic, and thought even talking about it was "dirty" or something, rather than natural. A guy kissed my mom so she thought she was pregnant (she didn't know sex was required for conception) so she married the loser. And yep, he was a grade A loser who couldn't hold a job or take care of his kids (when she actually DID get pregnant) then thought putting his hands on her would convince her she should shut up and stay. Don't make the same mistakes your parents made. My mom never talked to me about sex, despite being disappointed that her mother didn't talk to her, causing her life to take a terrible path. No effort whatsoever was made to educate me about menstruation or sex. I learned through movies, TV, and word of mouth, and health class. UA-cam didn't exist until I was 25, long after I needed the valuable gold nuggets of information that can sometimes be found here. I managed to stay child-free by choice and diligence, but it was not by any sort of effort on my parents' behalf. *Don't make the mistakes your parents made; talk to your kids about important things*
Exactly what happened in my family. I learned from movie... Literally... and my dad got angry because of the scenes on the movies. I meant, where's the talk dad? mom? 😅
I was 13 we have a lecture about menstruation cyles during scince class a week later by chance it came at morning before school. It would have been terrible if i had no idea. I think it's pretty weird that we had no idea that our mother's has this bleeding thing for a week every month. I had never seen a pad before I started having those, it's such a weird thing to think when you find out there is cabinet where she keep those and you never seen them before. I didn't know what a tampon was because when some nurses come to school and take to girls to conference room without telling what the topic was gonna be and they only show what a pad was and how you attach it. Boys had no idea since they weren't involved and we weren't exactly gonna tell them. They were very curious about it for a while 😀
@@n.a.02.02 You're pretty lucky to have it first at 13. I was barely 10 when I got mine. LUCKILY, I was at home and my mom got quite a shock 😅. My older sister just got hers couple months earlier and she was 12......................
I was WAY more invested in the side characters, namely Rosalie, Jasper, Alice and Leah, than in the bland, toxic love triangle between the three leads.
A question for us all. In another vampire writer's hands would they have been the central characters? I would happily read adventures centred around a developed Alice
When I was 17, I had a boyfriend threaten to kill himself because I wasn't giving him the attention he wanted. It's a terrible, terrible thing to do someone. You guys were totally right to call that out.
What is wrong with Stephanie Meyer. I can't believe she put s*it like this in a book aimed at children and called it romantic. It's infuriating 😠 I hope you're ok and in a good place now
I knew someone who would talk about it from time to time. Never really threatened to do it, but always seemed to demand I provide a reason not to. Vehemently hated therapy and relatable stories, and refused to get help for himself. I think I eventually answered him with something along the lines of 'what you do is your decision; I just hope you understand the consequences of that decision'. Which is not a good answer to give I would assume. He never went through with it, but he did stop bringing it up. Though to be honest, I don't really regret saying it. I do hope he got the help he needed, but living has to start with the self. There's no point extending a hand if the one being reached for won't grab back.
I think the biggest lesson I learned through the years is drawing a line between my needs and those of others. I am still learning it, as I've kind of overcorrected to being a little too selfish. At the very least I do value my sleep more (though it was never really a commodity I enjoyed foresaking in the first place).
Sure more interesting and a better story than the movie they are talking about. Now I realise, that wouldn't say much, since most things are better. But Alan`s story was A LOT better.
These guys have such powerful wholesome dad energy And they are interacting with a very troublesome piece of media The classic unstoppable force vs immovable object
My thoughts exactly although imagining them in a poly relationship would be a hilarious dumpster fire, 1 of 2 things would happen. 1. Someone would get jealous/have issues and because they're terrible at communicating it wouldn't get resolved and blow up in their faces. 2. They're toxic and possessive in a mono relationship so imagine that same energy twice over but with supernatural beings? Nope. Not worth it.
As someone who escaped an abusive relationship it is So Important to me to hear these two men calling out this behavior as bad, wrong, inappropriate, and unacceptable. It is such a relief to hear men telling a woman to get out of that situation, to make her own choices, to not be controlled by these two people in her life. When I was being abused, no one told my boyfriend he was acting badly, or that he was wrong. No one told me to get out of that, to escape, to be myself or that I deserved more. You're calling this out and it feels like you're telling my younger self all the things she needed to hear but didn't get. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for saying it out loud, and asserting that controlling, abusive behavior is wrong for everyone to hear. Thank you for showing my damaged (and in therapy, and now happily married) psyche that there are men who know it's wrong and who want women to find something better.
I could have written this. Nobody told me shit either. 14 years in an abusive marriage and none of my loved ones around me said ANYTHING. Mainly because of their own dysfunction status quo and not wanting to Pry....but I say: speak up!!!! SAY SOMETHING!!! Being with the abusive ex almost killed me.😢
Tbf, everyone loves more than one person, it's just very different ways. I love my partner, and I love my siblings, my nieces and nephews, my parents and my grandparents (that's 15 people in total)
Honestly I think snuggling with Jacob would have been more effective if he were in wolf form. Fur is meant for insulation and he would be a giant blanket. Plus it would be less awkward
This precisely! Isn't there a prior scene where she's scratching his head while he's a wolf? So it's clear she's more comfortable touching him that way.
Now, we don’t kink shame here.. but it’s noted that you think the scene would have played out better (be more believable), if Jacob was a furry. That is absolutely priceless; thank you for that! 🤣🤣🤣
When my husband proposed in the park, the moment I said yes, the band at the wedding reception nearby immediately struck up an inspiring rendition of CeeLo Green’s “F You”, then we got caught in a thunderstorm, ended up in a flash flood, and had to take shelter in the parking lot of a psychiatric institution, and it was STILL A BETTER PROPOSAL THAN TWILIGHT! This St. Patrick’s Day we’ll celebrate our tenth anniversary!
Well, it was unforgettable special and original proposal tho :D especially unforgettable. and it sounds great to me :D it's like a little adventure together
That line about abusers being genuinely sorry really got to me... I always assumed that abusers were never sorry. Explains a lot of unhealthy relationships... I kept forgiving them, no matter what.
But genuine remorse and apologies mean little without honest, consistent, and meaningful change, especially in the context of abuse. You can love and forgive someone and still make the decision to cut ties with them if they're a toxic person in your life
Yes, they are. Keep in mind that for some of them, they actually can't really control themselves. They have huge, real issues that need to be addressed (it's not just a "With them he/she'll maybe get better, especially if I show how faithful and loving I am"), but they don't address it, they push themselves into a corner which is usually how they lose their cool, their mind. It can also be a lot of things that are bottled up in them, all of their troubles are there, and they can "feel" them but they can't face them, they don't understand them, they don't understand what it is bothering them, and that's partly how they exteriorize them. I'm just talking about some abusers though, not a generalization of all of them.
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are. You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one, but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane! Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
I literally had two different girlfriends in high school break up with me because they each started to judge our relationship based entirely on this series. I haven’t given them much thought in 12-15 years but I feel oddly vindicated right now. 😂
I hear you. There was a woman in college who told me she wouldn't date me because she wanted something like Bella and Edward. Looking back... I'd say I dodged a bullet there. :)
heard you also this myth in your Teen-years (90s to early 20s for me) that girls are sooner "mature" than boys ? What garbage, I saw the opposite more than once.
Is no one going to talk about the part where Jonathan takes the cup holders out of the couch and muffles his ears with them? That part had me rolling I watched it like four times
The polyamory joke made me realize that I would have enjoyed Twilight significantly more if the three just had a moment of clear communication and discussion and dropped the toxic behaviour to become a happy polycule. It would have needed a lot of time for them to work through their toxic masculinity, dependency issues, views on consent & free choice, but I would have loved to see characters learn and grow into healthy communicators
I read these books when I was 12. I'm only a couple years older but I now realize how toxic and destructive the relationships were. These videos are so good!
Likewise, I adored the books as a naive preteen, but now, I see that the entire love triangle was toxic, and Bella would have been better off single, or even with Alice!
Dude, yes. As a preteen, I was pining for people like Jacob and Edward, because "that's true love"....now I realize how completely terrible that was. I'm so thankful to be married to a man who is the exact OPPOSITE of these two bafoons
Gosh, I wish this channel existed during my early high school years when I obsessed over these books. One incredibly emotionally abusive relationship later, I’m just now realizing and learning at 32. Thank you for the work you to, Cinema Therapy team ❤ I love y’all.
The fact that the author created a pretty decent lore and the side characters have such interesting backstory and she did nothing with that pisses me off. Like I would read and watch all about the life of each Cullen family member, other than Edward and Bella, all day long. Like Alice, Carlisle, and Rosalie have such interesting backstories that I would pay genuine money to read, and the lore behind the Volturie seems very interesting.
There are this fanmade short movies in youtube that i once found and watched, unknowing that it was about twilight, and was like, this is good. And realized it was the stories of twilight characters and let me baffled. Like, wtf, it could have been good.
Maybe on the Cullen side, but as a native person the amount of They All Look Alike To Me rehashes and always using descriptors like "russet" for skincolor is gross. Russet, much like redskin, is a fucking potato type and not an appropriate description of a human being. The only one on that side who seemed to get any kind of real backstory was the dude who lost control and ripped off his girlfriend's face.
It's not about the good times, it's about ''what are they at their worst''. “If their worst is sexual assault and physically harm you… pull the eject lever”. This should be taught in schools.
The thing is especially in this one is that BELLA is also being incredibly manipulative to both of them and playing them off each other. People always seem to miss that part over the abusiveness of Edward and Jacob.
Same, bella isnt just a victim here and is not held accountable for her actions. >ye im marrying you >othrr guy finds out, gets upset >uhbut kiss me so you feel better >fiance: im cool with this. In what woooorllddddd
@@pretzelicious4200 In my opinion, it's Bella who's being manipulated in the "kiss me" scene. She only asked him to do it because he threatened to kill himself, because it was only thing that would have stopped him. She didn't *want* to kiss him.
@@pretzelicious4200 the books show the more manipulative side to Bella. I hated the books reading them as an adult. I got to the Jake/baby part of BD and I couldn't finish it. I used the whole series to start a lovely bonfire...the only burn burning I support because they are better as kindling. I say this as a writer of Twilight fanfiction based around Jasper and Peter. SM wrote better stories for her background people than for her Mary Sue erotic dream.
I'm not entirely sure they would be clueless in -that- situation 😂 My friends mock me for how oblivious I can be, but even I got the message in a similar situation.
What I never understood was why Jacob tried so hard considering he HADN'T imprinted on Bella. It made me imagine what he thought their future would be like since he would ultimately imprint on someone else and leave Bella stranded the way it happened with Sam and Leah.
Also he didn't even want to be with Bella when he first changed into a wolf because of how Sam scarred his wife so like when he says "I'm perfectly right for you" it's kind of a huge contradiction to what he had been saying
Yes! This! There was even an example of that in the pack. I would never marry a guy who might at any moment fall desperately in love with someone else and leave me.
Apparently he was attracted to her... ovaries... or smth, cuz later in breaking dawn he imprints on Bella's *daughter* when she is a _baby_ Imagine if he actually convinced Bella to be in a relationship with him, married her, had a kid aaaand... ugh. I don't even wanna think about it.
I don’t think he cared about how he could hurt her in the future by imprinting on someone else. He only cared about having her, not what was best for her. Because he wasn’t what was best for her (and neither was Edward, but we’re just talking about Jacob now). And he had to have known that from observing what happened with Sam, Leah, and Emily.
One point to add to the "talk to your children about sex" point - make sure you actually are telling them truths. The amount of old wives tales and disproven "facts" my parents told me was excessive. I've actually had to teach my parents about this stuff which is just sad.
Yes!! And kids’ BS meter is so insanely good. If you’re feeding them shit, they’ll know and not trust you (or other adults) as reliable sources of information. They can’t make informed decisions.
@@catsmom129 This reminds of an episode from the first season of Reba where Reba was substituting at Cheyenne's school and the principle said something like, "The motto of this school is that sex doesn't exist." So there's no sex ed at your school, mam? I know it's just a show but still. Haha
@@JustLindaThings It's true. Where I am, in the US, teachers (in some states) are mandated to an abstinence-only curriculum. They're not allowed to talk to them about anything like contraception or safe sex practices. Countless studies have shown that abstinence-only education doesn't work, but if they want to keep their jobs, there isn't a damn thing teachers can do about it...
@@4pensword4 I went to 2 different schools throughout junior high and high school. In junior high and my junior my year, I went to a private school. The health teacher talked to my class about sex. He didn't talk about having protective sex because well, it was a private school (religious too) and they didn't believe in premarital sex but there are teens who have sex so protective sex needs to be taught. I remember being taught about periods in like 4th grade.
I like reading the Twilight books - they're my favorite hate read! I keep yelling at the pages for Bella to grow a spine. The last book is 'the best' (relatively speaking) since there Bella FINALLY stands up for herself. When my kids are older, I'll make them read the series and tell them to RUN if anyone treats them that way in a relationship. So in that way, the books are pretty educational: they show you exactly what not to do/put up with.
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are. You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one, but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane! Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
I had a friend recommend the books to me when I was like 18. The first book, I got rapid like everyone else. Then the second I was like….when is Bella going to rely on herself? Just so much dependency. And then the 3rd book, I barely made it through and just rage quit. I even owned the last book but didn’t read it because I was so effing annoyed by that point. I had so many people tell me, “no Bella finally gets strong in the last one!” Yeah, too little, too late! I still don’t know what happens, I’ve only seen clips in these type of analysis, never watched the films. Bella is such a disappointing, bland, flat character.
As someone who was in an abusive relationship, it wasn’t so much that stayed for the good times. I stayed because I created a logic where I would repeat to myself “good love is hard love”. I was able to get out of my situation very luckily by seeing my twin sister get into a healthy relationship. I saw here relationship and realized I wanted that. So I left… and I got it. Good love is not hard love. Love is easy, life is hard.
I was also in a WORSE relationship than Bella and Edward, and I thought exactly like you - I should deal with it because relationships are hard work and it's not all sunshine and roses...and when the first book came out and I read it, I cried for 3 days because I realized I wanted someone to love me like Edward loved Bella....and it inspired me to divorce the POS. My life was actually improved by Twilight because Edward was a better person than the POS I was married to...
@@woolypuffin392 It's ok to love the good moments, but are they enough? You have to take the bad stuff too and is that really the relationship you deserve? In a good relationship, there's still lots of good moments, but no toxicity. You can have that too! It's a matter of asking yourself is this (the whole relationship, good+bad) what I want from life?
When my husband proposed to me he tried doing a romantic dip and kiss....he's 6 foot 3 and I'm 5 foot 1 so our centers of gravity are way different. Long story short...we fell over and he landed on me, we both laughed and now have a fun story to tell.
Couple with a similar height difference here (he's 6'2" and I'm 5'2") and it is indeed possible to dip kiss! You both just need to be ready for it. Or in the worst case he can just support all your weight himself if he's got the muscle for it lol
I have a friend whose parents had the worst real life proposal ever. Dad had the ring and was waiting for the right moment to propose so he kept the ring in the glove box. They were driving somewhere and a female friend of his came up whom mom was jealous and suspicious of. A fight ensued while they were driving and it escalated. I have no idea what was said but it ended with her yelling, “Why don’t you just break up with me and marry her?!” He pulled over, practically kicked the door open, stomped around the car, threw her door open, jammed open the glovebox, grabbed the ring, yelled “I don’t want to marry her, I want to marry you” threw the ring into her lap, closed the door, and stomped around to his side of the car again. He took several deep breaths before he calmed down long enough to realize he needed to say, “will you marry me?” They were married for 40 something years until he died.
My dad's proposal to my mum was sort of similar... He went to pick her up from work and when she got in the car he said there's something in the glovebox for you... Funnily when she told him she was pregnant they'd been fighting in the morning and after work she gave him a dummy and he thought she was taking a shot at him 😅
I have a friend with something similar. He had the ring in the glovebox, and had a whole plan for something romantic. Before that happened, he got a flat tire when she happened to be riding with him. Without thinking, he said something to the effect of, “Would you look in the glove box for the insurance (or something, idk, doesn’t matter).” To hear him say it, it was like time slowed down, and he couldn’t course correct before she found the ring. She asked him about it, and he proposed right there on the side of a busy highway. They seem happy to this day.
Yup! A friend of mine loves twilight, and she and a guy had a discussion that ended with her saying something like "I love The Shining, I don't model my behavior after those relationships either"
This "they are teenagers" made me think of that awesome line from teen wolf (i know i know) where scott is in pain because he lost Allison and Melissa tells him "im gonna tell you something no teenager believes, you fall in love more than once" and it stuck with me because you rarely see that in the screen, and it's something important to tell kids. Love is eternal while it lasts, and it's ok if it doesn't. You are whole, a partner doesn't define your worthiness to be loved.
I remember this line! It's a rare occasion of a movie about teenagers where they actually are treated as teenagers and not fully grown adults. Which is why I hated it in s6 when Melissa basically tells him that he has to save the whole town on his own, with a bunch of other teenagers, working against an army of armed adults. Way to support your kid, Melissa.
"Because I'm not normal. I've had to face death, and loss and pain." Um... What part of that isn't normal? 🥴😂 That's literally the most universal experience, literally the most normal thing that all humans have in common, is dealing with loss/pain in some fashion. 🤦♀️
I take it to mean she's had to face more of it than average and closer up than most as a result of the supernatural elements in her life. Also, dramatic teenager.
I don’t know if you’ve ever watched Dominic Noble’s videos on the books but he raises the point a few times that Stephanie Meyers could be a genuinely good horror writer if she wanted to be, not just because of all the unintentionally creepy stuff that’s meant to be romantic but because the stuff that’s actually meant to be scary, like the Volturi slaughtering a bus full of innocent people and Bella giving birth, is legitimately horrifying
@@jonasquinn7977 I am pretty sure the woman was not into writing healthy relationships or good horror. She was into writing day dreams about sparkly boys. I still wonder how did she not realise that she was writing such toxic relationships _even_ when she was editing her books. Cause writers write a ton of crap during their first draft. It's during the editing process that the crap gets revised and filtered out. Her writing feels like that of a teenager who never allowed herself to experience a relationship. Trust me, even when a person is not allowed to do something, they still find ways to experience something that they want to. It's how humans work. Her being a mormon only partially explains this abusive mess of a fictional piece of work.
@@rottworks whoever wrote Twilight was an expert in literary torture because if it's painful to watch, it's probably 5x more so reading it bc reading takes forever, unless it's right before bed
So Jacob was obsessed with Bella because he imprinted on her EGG, so um... if she had actually been with Jacob, would he have... imprinted on.... their child? Gonna wait for Steph Meyer to answer that.
I say no because i believe if he was imprinting on the egg that would become renesme, he would have to be imprinting in the sperm from edward that would fertilize said egg and become the baby. Which also explains the eye fucking with edward XD
These episodes have made me realize how much cinema, when consumed at crucial points in your psychological growth, can really impact what you expect from the world and other people. My obsession with these movies as a pre-teen genuinely did have an effect on what I looked for in relationships, and I paid for it. It’s so important for us to think critically about what lessons these movies are teaching young people. Even the controversy that surrounded these movies during their peak of popularity had more to do with the dark lore and whether the sexually charged content was appropriate for young people, than the fact that the depictions of these relationships were so problematic.
@@kittenmatchvids6440 One of the timing codes slipped into the caption. It's been corrected few minutes ago, so should disappear if you reload the page. Apologies for the slip
I love how much Alan offers his input and gets into the therapizing even though he is just a film maker. He seems like a cool dude and a great friend. I just love these two so much
I always thought it would be funny if Bella did choose Jacob and Jacob ended up imprinting on someone else. After all that arguing and fighting over her, and manipulating her, etc he just ends up being just like Sam dumping Leah lol
The horrifying implication of that is that he might.... imprint on their child? I mean, we later establish it's been Resume (or really, the egg that becomes her) that's been pulling him to Bella soooooo yea....🤮
I read these books because one of my friend's teen daughter was into them. I read them. I enjoyed and hated them at the same time. I remember telling my friend's daughter that "my inner high school teen loves these books! But my adult lady self has a lot of problems with the books." We then had a lengthy conversation about the relationships and the abusive/concerning parts of this book. I've had similar conversations with my daughter, my nieces and kids I've worked with in therapeutic settings. I find myself grateful for the opportunities books, movies and music give us to talk to others about these issues. Can you imagine me talking to my friend's daughter about abuse otherwise? So not appropriate. Media/entertainment is a tool. Whether it's a tool to help or to harm is up to us who use it. I loved the first movie for the music soundtrack. It got me through a very hard time. I'm thankful for that. Thanks, guys, for what you do. I have used your videos a lot to talk to friends, clients and family about important issues around relationships. 👍🏽
That's probably the only good outcome from that franchise, but it is a worthy one. Actually this is how Danish children's TV is written "show, don't tell." The characters ads badly (usually they are unreasonable or abusive (in the way children can be abusive to each other) and children realises "this is bad behaviour, I should avoid being like that"
As a person who grew up in a narcissistic family, I never knew what healthy relationships looked like. I used to think that twilight is a good love story. I didn't know that was abuse because the abuse was normal in my family. You guys have helped me a lot through cinema therapy. Now, I at least have an idea of how relationships should or shouldn't be. I have never been in a healthy relationship as of yet. But now I am confident that even if I date a toxic person next, I would be able to identify the red flags and leave. Thank you so much.
Another reason people stay in abusive relationships is because the partner will threaten self harm if they leave: or people are scared that their partner will attack/harm them if they leave. Fear is a huge reason people stay
Definitely as a healthy family dynamic the Addams are brilliant. I don't believe they ever define what they are ss far as mystical beings. Part of the fun that Charles Addams originally designed.
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I'm really love your videos but sorry, i cannot watch this. These movies are too bad.🤮🤮🤮
Is it sad that there is SO MUCH wrong here that the total review is probably 40% the length of the movie? Yes...yes it is.
Came here to say this. I love the Cinema Therapy lads, I hate to think they might not know who they've partnered with.
@@nefelibata3213 it is the second time they are partnering with them and I really wonder if they sincerely do not know about all the stuff behind betterh*lp
So Alan literally fell for his wife? That is too cute!
What I love is that he thought about putting her down before falling 😂 Like 'there, you can stay here while I get rocks in my nose and mouth. Be right back'
aww :)
omg thats so sweet, I hope he did not hurt himself
Still a better Lovestory than... okay forget about the meme, it's just fantastic
I love that story. Unfortunately I may have taken my fiancé with me if I was him lol
The way the subtitles call Jacob "Wolfy" and Edward "Sparky" KILLS ME
or "spark-less" and "vampire bride"
And Bella is Vamprie Bride,wai :D
VAMPIRE BRIDE
I had to turn the subtitles on for a little to see if this was true and sparkly, wolfy, and vampire bride have me dead 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀
@@sophie3869 I died at sparkless 😂😂
It's official...Bell's dad and the sandwich are the healthiest relationship in this movie, and also have more chemistry.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
this made me laugh
Do you mean the police officer that ignored the sexual assault of his own daughter?
@@TheChillimouse they said his relationship with the sandwich is the healthiest not his relationship with his daughter.
Less cheesey
Please remember that no one hates Twilight more than Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart.
oh i made millions of dollars oh I hate it so much, i made voluntary choice and i hate it...
@@histkontext No one is saying they were forced to make those movies, they're just saying the actors hated the movies too. Also I don't know about the actors' personal lives but maybe they really needed the money when they first got the role. Also, they had no way of knowing it would blow up and make them all those millions.
@@histkontext Yeah, they choose to participate in these awful films for money and as an career boost, to get other roles. But that doesn't change anything about the fact that they actually are capable actors, but had to work with an terrible script and that they hate the twilight movies.
What about everyone else involved? They all hated it too, right?
@@DrDolan2000 yeah, them too!
"I'm not saying sexuality is gross, I'm saying abusive sexuality is gross" THIS!!!
More than this though.
Unlike the delusion nowadays that Consent is ALL-JUSTIFYYYYING
like a DIVIIINNEEE FORCE,
actually theres way more that is bad aka 'perverse':
Incest is really just the MOST OBVIOUS and literally just that.
But theres more.
Even if 2 Consent, it can be wrong, even IF they are not blood-related.
@@slevinchannel7589 but incest isn't a sexuality. It's incest.
@@vxmit.mxnster actually nothing wrong it. Just taboo by society by its problematic if you have kids.
@@Darkstormsun9865 umm tf....
@@kiritokirigaya6716 by technicality its the truth.
Jacob pulled the old
“If you do not accept my proposal then I shall enlist in the war and die”
Literally a tale as old as incels
Omg 😂😂
What's worse is that women are made to feel responsible for your death when you say that, which to me sometimes feels worse than being able to pull the card.
best comment ever!
I’m sad to know ya, I’m sad to know ya...
I kinda like those movies where the girl is like: ok good for you. Bye.
Short Twilight's summary: two predators fighting over a piece of meat.
XD
Pretty much 😂
PIECE OF MEAT, PLS 💀💀
Less of a piece of meat more like the half-eaten dollar menu cheeseburger left somewhere at the food court
More like a piece of meat who don't use brain itself
When a friend told me years ago that Twilight ruined his relationship with his ex, I laughed and told him he was being silly. He explained to me that his girlfriend started expecting him to act like Edward after reading the books. I didn't fully grasp what he meant until watching these videos. He knew when these stories first came out that Edward was controlling and abusive, and because he refused to treat her that way, she actually left him. That. Is. Sad. You guys aren't wrong.
That's just depressing
thats sad but honestly he dodged a bullet
He dodged a bullet imo
@@bhavya5692 that’s not an opinion that’s a fact!
I always find it weird when people genuinely want that controlling behavior out of a person, because even when I was younger watching these, I don't remember ever wanting a boyfriend like that. tbh, my favorite Twilight couple is Alice and Jasper
Twilight fans: We decide that we love twilight.
Jonathan & Alan: I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.
I understood that reference 😂
@@breezy3392 from where ?
@@arona6692 The Avengers
@@breezy3392 I watched every films but didn't recognize the line, is this about the sokovian accords ?
@@arona6692 It's in the first Avengers movie when the secret council orders Nick Fury to launch a nuke at Manhattan to blow up the space portal to stop the invading aliens. Fury refused
Best comment I ever saw about "love triangles" like this is that they're not triangles, they're corners. And the woman is usually backed into it.
This.
Yup
Oh my god! I've never heard that but this is so good. I must remember this.
An actual love triangle would have been polyamory, which sadly didn't happen. What wasted potential. At least fanfic exists though...
Oooo I like that!
Someone once said: “If you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best.”
Jonathan: “If their worst is sexual assault…”
„Then their best isn’t worth it“ 👌
I think that was Marilyn Monroe
@@reveranttangent1771 ye it was marilyn monroe
Heard it was taken out of context. Not about behaviour, but looks and appearances.
Their worst I think could also mean mental health issues like depression or maybe some home troubles or something but if their worst is sexual assault then...
In my native language "hot" doesn't mean attractive, it means gay. So in that scene, Jacob is basically half-naked, staring in another man's eyes, saying "i'm gayer then you" 🙂
Underrated comment 😂
Lmao😂😂😂
I mean, considering those two have more chemistry with each other than with Bella... Just sayin'
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What language is it? I need to know!
Does anyone else also feel weirdly therapeutic every time Jonathan or Alan openly display their displeasure over Twilight? ✋
It's so cathartic
Ditto, it feels so cathartic and wonderful to watch them openly diss Twilight!
Twilight left me with more negative feelings than any other book I've ever read. This is a therapy for me
Yes
@Kara Thrace same. I saw the first one but i remember nothing. I think my brain is protecting me lol. Also... Amazing name there, Starbuck ;)
Bella: "And I wanna tie myself to you."
Jono: "And in that moment, 50 Shades was born."
I'm dying over here XD
That one got me good 😂
Like, do Jonathan and Alan know the history? That 50 Shades was born as a Twilight fanfic? Guys, I need to know that you know!!
@@annadavis9924 they do. I’m pretty sure they referenced that in their last video
@@annadavis9924 That's the most iconic trivia abou "50 Shades of Crap" - movie nerds like them know things like that. Just check IMDB.
"... in every way humanly possible" 😉
"She got the tiniest hint of free will, and she graduated to beige."
I am dead. This is so hilariously accurate!
I found that funny too, my guess is the filmmakers wanted to make her seem more bridal than before
I was scrolling over this the exact second it was said in the video, lol, creepy.
The fact Bella was worried about how Jacob would act upon seeing her wedding ring says a whole lot about their relationship.
She also ended up kissing him. It said a lot about Bella too.
To be fair, Bella was essentially coerced into that kiss. Jacob was threatening suicide, and she didn’t want him to throw himself into battle to get killed. So she asked him to kiss her hoping it would change his attitude.
You’re right, that does say a lot about her character, just not sure if it’s in the way you meant.
Also, for the record, I’m not saying it was a smart move on her part, but I don’t think it was her fault or she did it to manipulate him.
@@wolfgoddess15 she can still think for herself. She kissed him with her fiancee right around the corner. She did it more because she wanted to (as she reveals) and saw an excuse to do it.
@@ditchfood8047 exactly
@@ditchfood8047 Jacob had to threat suicide to get that kiss from her. Says a lot about their relationship.
Edward: "Will you do me the extraordinary honor of marrying me?"
*stifled laughter*
John: "His eyes are diarrhea colored."
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are.
You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one,
but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane!
Fitting because watching Twilight is looking at shit.
@@Xehanort10 Yes
Bella spends so much time in the books thinking about the colour of his eyes.
@@tovekauppi1616 They're compared to honey, amber, and gold in the books, but in reality, they look like liquid shit.
“You can find somebody who brings all of that good stuff-without assaulting, controlling, manipulating, disrespecting, dishonoring you…”
As someone who broke free from a narcissistic relationship, these are words to live by.
Absolutely agreed. So much weight off your heart and your spirit. It's beautiful and freeing and cathartic. 💕
That's so wonderful, and I'm incredibly happy for you.
Whoa. Props to you. The narcissistic relationships are really hard to get out of. Speaking from observing people I know still trying to do it.
Even living without someone who brings all the good stuff is better! A bad day out of the relationship is better than a good one in it.
She can learn and be who she is supposed to be without a romantic partner. She is choosing to forever define herself by Edward and the Cullens. She is afraid of death and true growth.
Also you get a dead shell of woman (haha get it) who gets her life back, spends more time with her friends and ultimately moves back to live with her mom (+hubby)
i can’t express how much i love the names given to the characters in subtitles
“vampire bride”
“sparky” changing into “spark-less” in that scene where he doesn’t sparkle
love it!
Anna who does our captions is THE TRUTH. She's super-funny and a wonderful person.
@@CinemaTherapyShow People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are.
You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one,
but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane!
Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I thank Anna for that,i'm Brazilian and sometimes I have difficulty understanding spoken English, so the subtitles in English help me a lot to keep up with you. I love this channel!
Now I feel the urge to rewatch this video with the subtitles on…
Don’t forget “Wolfy” 😂😂😂
Jacob: "You can love more than one person Bella."
Also Jacob: "It's either me or him. Choose."
Bella: Chooses
Jacob: No not like that
@@tonichan89 Bella: You told me to choose, I chose Edward.
Jacob: I said choose *me*
Bella: How about n-
Jacob: *Forces Bella to kiss him* You will choose me *now* , right? *RIGHT?!*
So accurate 🤣🤣🤣
Alan: “Call it sex”
Alan, minutes later: “Time to BOINK”
John after: * dwarf elephant noises*
I think he was olny talking about jumping on the bed like a child, that's why Jonathan answered "how old are you??"
@@midoriemi3859 Omg. I seriously, seriously hope that you're not being serious with this one... 🤦♀️
@@wioi Yes i am lol
But maybe that's because I'm French, for us "boink" is a bouncing noise haha
If you play the Twilight Saga backwards, it's about a mother finally escaping her stalker husband and I think that's the best thing about it.
Oh..My..GOD!!! Shit! You're spot on...man, I never thought of that.....
And her baby rapidly shrinking back into a fetus that is shoved back into her womb...an action violent enough that chases away her vampirism!
@@ForcedHandleName Lol, best reply ever
@@ForcedHandleName lmaooo
@@ForcedHandleName Thank you for that
Concerning Jacob's and Bella's kiss, I'd like to point out that coerced consent is still not really consent. As you pointed out, he emotionally manipulated her by threatening to get himself killed if she did not give him a good enough reason to stay. Her expressing her emotions for him (in the books they are supposedly closer friends and Bella has come to genuinely care for him) by saying he is important to her is "not good enough" for him, but once she asked him to kiss her he doesn't even hesitate a second as if he'd had just waited for that. I hate how that is presented as she consenting to the kiss and even kissing him back. It's coerced consent and more than morally dubious imo
As someone who "wasn't really assaulted" because I gave coerced consent thank you for adding that.
This.
@@inaligrimalkin 💚
Cheers, that was my thought (as a woman who specializes in counseling DV/SA survivors). If you’re coerced, guilted, or threatened in any real way, you’re not truly consenting ( I only give the “real” qualifier cause I’m not including healthy, consenting bdsm relationships)
Yes!
“The only positive character development in this show was Bella going from flannel to beige” I died
That WAS the character arch 😅
"She got the tiniest hint of freewill and graduated to beige" - this is such a great line!
Jacob implying he will kill himself unless Bella is with him/chooses him etc. is really upsetting for me. My abusive ex used to threaten to kill himself everytime I wanted to leave to make me stay (because I would find out he cheated again, or he was hurting me). So I find it really hard to watch that part, and my friends who used to be Team Jacob (for me, this was a main reason I found Jacob to be trash) and they would say so much to excuse or justify it until they found out about how my ex treated me.
I'm so very sorry that you endured that. But I am so thankful and so happy that you're free of that. 💕
I can relate, too. *Hugs*
I sincerely hope you are in a good place now in life.
The people who defend Jacob's actions there...there is something wrong with them. I was a sheltered 14 year old when I first read that and I knew it was not ok. It is sick and twisted and manipulative and not romantic at all.
@@lunabearsong2043 Thank you! Sorry to hear you can relate, hugs!
@@breezy3392 Much better place now thankfully! I eventually realised he was all talk and no action with the threats. I agree, they have grown a lot since then, I suppose when its just a book or movie you don't have to care too much but when they say a real life example they realised how bad it is.
thats absolutely horrible, im glad you're okay now
1) Jacob knows if a wolf doesn’t imprint on first sight after their first transformation, it’s never going to happen, so he’s okay with Bella ending up like Leah, broken-hearted and alone when his interest in her vanishes in a split-second.
2) Jacob assaulted Bella, and there was nothing done about it, because Bella’s father is his father’s best friend.
3) Jacob threatened to get himself killed if Bella didn’t show interest in him, so she kissed him to keep him from committing suicide (not that he would’ve actually done it).
Team Anyone Else ❌
* In the book, Jacob grip’s Bella’s back and the back of her neck so hard he bruises her, refusing to let go until she kisses him back.
@@DoranGale eeeew noooo abusive pick me boy
@@DoranGale wow!!! Thanks for info!
I think Team No One shirts should have been made. With asterisk saying learn more at Cinema Therapy.
Or, alternatively, Team Alice (and Jasper).
@@HeadDetectiveLassie or Team Alice and Bella 👀🤭
the "I make you feel nervous" resonated so hard with me. I once had a girl assume that I was attracted to her (and suggesting so) because she noticed my heart beating fast. The actual reason why my heart was pounding in my chest was that I was in panic mode and trying to get away from her as fast as possible. She had spent the last 2 hours crossing every boundary I tried to set, which was psychologically exhausting. I was nervous around her, but not because I liked her. Quite the opposite, actually.
Once in a bar (I was with a group of friends), a guy walked up and poured my beer into my glass. The action wasn’t wrong, it was the fact that this guy tried to take ownership of me when I didn’t know him from Adam. I have worse stories but won’t bore you with them, lol.
I’m so sorry that happened to you
I'm so sorry that happened to you! You didn't deserve that. I hope you have/receive the support you need.
If someone told me "I know you like me because I make you nervous" I'd just say "I'm nervous around spiders, I don't like them AT ALL." -_-
What kind of boundary crossing stuff did she do?
Sorry, just curious.
And also sorry that this happened to you, I hope you find someone who respects you and your boundaries.
Someone: "Make love, not war"
Alan, an intellectual: "Boink, don't bonk"
@Juliana I loved how Jonathan made a little fun of him for this. Only a best friend can do that. (8/24/2021)
We should print that on stickers! The old line could use a little update. ^^
I love how Jacob and Edward have the "No, she's in love with ME" conversation literally over Bella's head while she sleeps.
She doesn't even sleep T_T she fakes it
In the books she's like half asleep and wonders if the conversation between Jake and Edward is real but she hears it entirely
@@midoriemi3859 wow, I didn't think it was possible for me to have less respect for Bella. Now I'm mad she didn't get up, clunk their heads together a la Three Stooges, and tell them to stop being mouthy twits while she's trying to sleep.
Yeah, like they don't even ask her directly but just decide their anwser among themselves...
@@joex1084 why would they ask her? After all, "she doesn't know what she wants." Clearly the men need to hash out what's best for her.
Alan's "I fell off a hill story" was somehow better than all of the story lines in these movies... Also made me laugh more
Yessss, loved that story!! 😍😂 #relationshipgoals
The fact that he left his wife so he would fall alone is kinda romantic.
@@nidohime6233 yep, wouldn't say he ruined the moment. it was quick and noble thinking
That was the best part! And props to him for managing to put her down before taking a tumble
Yes!! So cute!!
Alan: “talk to them, call it sex”
Also Alan: “time to BOINK” 😂😂😂😂
I love how much that made Jonathan laugh.
Alan is unreal. 🤣
The whole "talk with your kids about sex" thing is so important.
My grandmother never talked to my mother about sex, or her period, or anything. They were very Catholic, and thought even talking about it was "dirty" or something, rather than natural. A guy kissed my mom so she thought she was pregnant (she didn't know sex was required for conception) so she married the loser. And yep, he was a grade A loser who couldn't hold a job or take care of his kids (when she actually DID get pregnant) then thought putting his hands on her would convince her she should shut up and stay.
Don't make the same mistakes your parents made. My mom never talked to me about sex, despite being disappointed that her mother didn't talk to her, causing her life to take a terrible path. No effort whatsoever was made to educate me about menstruation or sex. I learned through movies, TV, and word of mouth, and health class. UA-cam didn't exist until I was 25, long after I needed the valuable gold nuggets of information that can sometimes be found here.
I managed to stay child-free by choice and diligence, but it was not by any sort of effort on my parents' behalf.
*Don't make the mistakes your parents made; talk to your kids about important things*
This!!! Also, about healthy relationships & loving and respecting yourself first!!
Exactly what happened in my family. I learned from movie... Literally... and my dad got angry because of the scenes on the movies. I meant, where's the talk dad? mom? 😅
Well said! I would have known nothing if not for health and science classes, so glad for public education!
I was 13 we have a lecture about menstruation cyles during scince class a week later by chance it came at morning before school. It would have been terrible if i had no idea. I think it's pretty weird that we had no idea that our mother's has this bleeding thing for a week every month. I had never seen a pad before I started having those, it's such a weird thing to think when you find out there is cabinet where she keep those and you never seen them before. I didn't know what a tampon was because when some nurses come to school and take to girls to conference room without telling what the topic was gonna be and they only show what a pad was and how you attach it. Boys had no idea since they weren't involved and we weren't exactly gonna tell them. They were very curious about it for a while 😀
@@n.a.02.02 You're pretty lucky to have it first at 13. I was barely 10 when I got mine. LUCKILY, I was at home and my mom got quite a shock 😅. My older sister just got hers couple months earlier and she was 12......................
I was WAY more invested in the side characters, namely Rosalie, Jasper, Alice and Leah, than in the bland, toxic love triangle between the three leads.
It was mostly Jasper for me. I was always intrigued by him.
A question for us all. In another vampire writer's hands would they have been the central characters? I would happily read adventures centred around a developed Alice
Nearly all of the other characters, including the minor vampires introduced in Breaking Dawn, are more interesting than the unholy trio
Rosalie’s backstory is far more interesting than any of these movies.
I love the Hale "twins" and Alice! As much as I love The Twilight Saga, I have always wanted a series about them.
"You're on the top of a mountain, bring her something to heat--"
*Jacob enters*
"...oh, you did."
KILLED ME
Me too! XD XD XD
Same 😂😂😂
I really like the phrase "dishonoring you" because it makes it sound like your body is a temple and abusers are like people who litter at temples lmao
Lol i'm imagining Mushu calling out all the abusers like this, especially Cullen and Jake
When I was 17, I had a boyfriend threaten to kill himself because I wasn't giving him the attention he wanted. It's a terrible, terrible thing to do someone. You guys were totally right to call that out.
What is wrong with Stephanie Meyer. I can't believe she put s*it like this in a book aimed at children and called it romantic. It's infuriating 😠
I hope you're ok and in a good place now
@@gsandau
That person is so toxic, wow!
I knew someone who would talk about it from time to time. Never really threatened to do it, but always seemed to demand I provide a reason not to. Vehemently hated therapy and relatable stories, and refused to get help for himself. I think I eventually answered him with something along the lines of 'what you do is your decision; I just hope you understand the consequences of that decision'. Which is not a good answer to give I would assume. He never went through with it, but he did stop bringing it up.
Though to be honest, I don't really regret saying it. I do hope he got the help he needed, but living has to start with the self. There's no point extending a hand if the one being reached for won't grab back.
I think the biggest lesson I learned through the years is drawing a line between my needs and those of others. I am still learning it, as I've kind of overcorrected to being a little too selfish.
At the very least I do value my sleep more (though it was never really a commodity I enjoyed foresaking in the first place).
@@breezy3392 Coming from a woman, that too. She's atrocious
"A full-body experience with a popsicle" got me 😂
I mean unless you're into temp. Play xD. But with that popsicle hell nah xD
@@katarinalavoie6476 yeah, there's specific dildos you can freeze for this purpose. It's not THAT weird...there's clearly a market for it lmao.
@@AnxietyRat lol im aware 😂 ive seen plenty of corners of the internet 🤣
This is at 666 Likes and I'm not changing it so I'll just comment that I like it.
Alan's falling down a hill story is the most wholesome thing I've heard all month.
Sure more interesting and a better story than the movie they are talking about.
Now I realise, that wouldn't say much, since most things are better.
But Alan`s story was A LOT better.
Y’all ever realize that Bella literally commanded Jacob like a dog like she went “JACOB, STAY” idk I just thought this was funny
Probably learnt that from Edward 😂
Bella: What are you doing here?
Alan: And why are you wearing shirts?
LMAO
These guys have such powerful wholesome dad energy
And they are interacting with a very troublesome piece of media
The classic unstoppable force vs immovable object
That object is made of marshmallow when it comes to justified critizism.
You gave me the mental image of charlie being in there watching the movie with them going
'RIGHT?' every time they talk shit lol
Wolfy: "You can love more than one person at the same time."
Me: "It's called polyamory"
Jono: "It's called polyamory"
My thoughts exactly although imagining them in a poly relationship would be a hilarious dumpster fire, 1 of 2 things would happen.
1. Someone would get jealous/have issues and because they're terrible at communicating it wouldn't get resolved and blow up in their faces.
2. They're toxic and possessive in a mono relationship so imagine that same energy twice over but with supernatural beings? Nope. Not worth it.
@@Nosebleed47692 Yeah, it would be hilariously bad.
@@Nosebleed47692 It would be still better than imprinting on a baby ending, horrible but not as disgusting
/polygamy moment/
Its called 'Failure at Monogamy'.
As someone who escaped an abusive relationship it is So Important to me to hear these two men calling out this behavior as bad, wrong, inappropriate, and unacceptable. It is such a relief to hear men telling a woman to get out of that situation, to make her own choices, to not be controlled by these two people in her life. When I was being abused, no one told my boyfriend he was acting badly, or that he was wrong. No one told me to get out of that, to escape, to be myself or that I deserved more. You're calling this out and it feels like you're telling my younger self all the things she needed to hear but didn't get. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for saying it out loud, and asserting that controlling, abusive behavior is wrong for everyone to hear. Thank you for showing my damaged (and in therapy, and now happily married) psyche that there are men who know it's wrong and who want women to find something better.
Agreed!!! 💖
I could have written this. Nobody told me shit either. 14 years in an abusive marriage and none of my loved ones around me said ANYTHING. Mainly because of their own dysfunction status quo and not wanting to Pry....but I say: speak up!!!! SAY SOMETHING!!!
Being with the abusive ex almost killed me.😢
I'm sorry you had to go through that, I hope you find a partner who would be an actually healthy relationship for you :)
@@pkmntrainerred4247 I have, thank you for your kind words
yay for therapy and your happy relationship!
Shout out to the person, who wrote the subtitles and called Edward "sparky" and Jacob "Wolfie"
And Bella is vampire bride lol🤣
also calling Bella "Vampire bride"
But then at the end it said “Spark-less”
[painful silence]
I came here to say that and some beautiful genius beat me to it 😂
Jacob: "You can love more than one person at a time!"
Jonathan: "It's called polyamory..."
😂🤣😂🤣
Would have made this story more interesting.
@@carmen_says_hi Knowing this movie, they probably would’ve somehow messed that up too
Tbf, everyone loves more than one person, it's just very different ways. I love my partner, and I love my siblings, my nieces and nephews, my parents and my grandparents (that's 15 people in total)
@@annejeppesen160 the quote is more accurately trying to say "be in love with more than one person" which can happen
yup. sexual and romantic attraction to more than one person and that being discussed and respected would solve many a love triangle
Honestly I think snuggling with Jacob would have been more effective if he were in wolf form. Fur is meant for insulation and he would be a giant blanket. Plus it would be less awkward
Plus he's bigger. More surface area.
This precisely! Isn't there a prior scene where she's scratching his head while he's a wolf? So it's clear she's more comfortable touching him that way.
Now, we don’t kink shame here.. but it’s noted that you think the scene would have played out better (be more believable), if Jacob was a furry. That is absolutely priceless; thank you for that! 🤣🤣🤣
It happens in The Dracula novel...would have been a good reference if she read the Damn book
Yeah... But would it though?
When my husband proposed in the park, the moment I said yes, the band at the wedding reception nearby immediately struck up an inspiring rendition of CeeLo Green’s “F You”, then we got caught in a thunderstorm, ended up in a flash flood, and had to take shelter in the parking lot of a psychiatric institution, and it was STILL A BETTER PROPOSAL THAN TWILIGHT! This St. Patrick’s Day we’ll celebrate our tenth anniversary!
Well, it was unforgettable special and original proposal tho :D especially unforgettable. and it sounds great to me :D it's like a little adventure together
That is so crazy it’s beautiful. I hope you two are still going strong.
@@sedmidivka funnily enough, the song the band played next, while we were busy laughing about "F* You", was actually Nat King Cole's "Unforgettable"!
@@Hessed3712 11 years on St. Patrick's Day!
I absolutely love this story. 💜
"I'm having more thoughts in the last 20 minutes than were put into the screenplay." Haha, highly accurate! 😂🤣
😂😂😂
That line about abusers being genuinely sorry really got to me... I always assumed that abusers were never sorry. Explains a lot of unhealthy relationships... I kept forgiving them, no matter what.
But genuine remorse and apologies mean little without honest, consistent, and meaningful change, especially in the context of abuse. You can love and forgive someone and still make the decision to cut ties with them if they're a toxic person in your life
@@meglannenneet3787 absolutely, even when it hurts, in the end, if it's better for you to get them out of your life, you should do it
Yes, they are.
Keep in mind that for some of them, they actually can't really control themselves. They have huge, real issues that need to be addressed (it's not just a "With them he/she'll maybe get better, especially if I show how faithful and loving I am"), but they don't address it, they push themselves into a corner which is usually how they lose their cool, their mind.
It can also be a lot of things that are bottled up in them, all of their troubles are there, and they can "feel" them but they can't face them, they don't understand them, they don't understand what it is bothering them, and that's partly how they exteriorize them.
I'm just talking about some abusers though, not a generalization of all of them.
Jacob "I'm done!"
Jonathan "good!"
Jacob "I'm so done!"
Jonathan "So are we!"
Hahaha
That's how I behave when I watch movies with other people but they're usually annoyed ... :D
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are.
You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one,
but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane!
Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
I literally had two different girlfriends in high school break up with me because they each started to judge our relationship based entirely on this series. I haven’t given them much thought in 12-15 years but I feel oddly vindicated right now. 😂
I hear you. There was a woman in college who told me she wouldn't date me because she wanted something like Bella and Edward. Looking back... I'd say I dodged a bullet there. :)
@@j.s.ramirez4670 being in your teens and 20s are crazy
Really so many of these stories in the comments. You guys dodged a bullet 😅
You dodged 2 bullets there
heard you also this myth in your Teen-years (90s to early 20s for me) that girls are sooner "mature" than boys ? What garbage, I saw the opposite more than once.
Is no one going to talk about the part where Jonathan takes the cup holders out of the couch and muffles his ears with them? That part had me rolling I watched it like four times
his sanity is more important to us than chairs integrity. 🎧 Go, Jonathan!
That's what I was looking for in the comments. I saw it multipe times as well. 🤣
@CommonSenseless And made himself look like Princess Leia in the process. (8/24/2021)
@@daniellemusella1594 I had the same thought! 🤣
The polyamory joke made me realize that I would have enjoyed Twilight significantly more if the three just had a moment of clear communication and discussion and dropped the toxic behaviour to become a happy polycule. It would have needed a lot of time for them to work through their toxic masculinity, dependency issues, views on consent & free choice, but I would have loved to see characters learn and grow into healthy communicators
Would have been way better
All fun and games until Nessy
Would have filled a lot of movies. Especially if they had that clarity at a late movie in the original series.
Someone please re write this whole series in this light. PLEASE
I loved how Alan's wife laughed on their special engagement day. I would honestly will laugh first and then help my friends up.
Love how Bella went from 'Bella' to 'Vampire Bride' in the subtitles after she said yes to the marriage.
Before that she was "Garbage person" in New Moon LMFAO
I read these books when I was 12. I'm only a couple years older but I now realize how toxic and destructive the relationships were. These videos are so good!
Likewise, I adored the books as a naive preteen, but now, I see that the entire love triangle was toxic, and Bella would have been better off single, or even with Alice!
Dude, yes. As a preteen, I was pining for people like Jacob and Edward, because "that's true love"....now I realize how completely terrible that was. I'm so thankful to be married to a man who is the exact OPPOSITE of these two bafoons
Same
Same! I used to love Twilight and Jacob and Edward. It's all so abusive now that I've watched these videos
Not just this, a lot of romances have very toxic or unhealthy and too many are influenced into believing that's how love should be.
"and I'm not saying sexuality is gross, I'm saying abusive sexuality is gross"
THANK YOU!!!
I’m not even here for the Therapy part anymore. I just love seeing you guys obliterate these movies lol.
Gosh, I wish this channel existed during my early high school years when I obsessed over these books. One incredibly emotionally abusive relationship later, I’m just now realizing and learning at 32. Thank you for the work you to, Cinema Therapy team ❤ I love y’all.
Thanks for your support. We're glad to have you here!
Good for you - healing is good whenever it comes.
The subtitles were hilarious 😆 “Wolfy”, “Vampire Bride”, but my favorite by far was “painful silence” 😆😂
Edward is freaky sparky xD I can’t
@@yourmum6316 Until the end in the meadow. Then he's spark-less!
check the previous episode and you can see Bella was "Garbage Person" :3
The fact that the author created a pretty decent lore and the side characters have such interesting backstory and she did nothing with that pisses me off. Like I would read and watch all about the life of each Cullen family member, other than Edward and Bella, all day long. Like Alice, Carlisle, and Rosalie have such interesting backstories that I would pay genuine money to read, and the lore behind the Volturie seems very interesting.
There are this fanmade short movies in youtube that i once found and watched, unknowing that it was about twilight, and was like, this is good. And realized it was the stories of twilight characters and let me baffled. Like, wtf, it could have been good.
fanfic beats cannon
Agree. The lore is interesting, it manages to be creative and original, had potential to be soo cool. But she ruined with the stupid love story
Especially Carlisle
Maybe on the Cullen side, but as a native person the amount of They All Look Alike To Me rehashes and always using descriptors like "russet" for skincolor is gross. Russet, much like redskin, is a fucking potato type and not an appropriate description of a human being. The only one on that side who seemed to get any kind of real backstory was the dude who lost control and ripped off his girlfriend's face.
*cold feet discussion*
Alan: “yea, it’s such a turn on, right?”
Johnathan: “it’s like AhhH!”
Alan: “oh, I guess I’ve been doing it wrong”
😂😂😂
I have a deal with my partner, he'll warm my feet - if I warn him first 😂
I think it's funny they don't think a girl has ever put a popsicle up there. 😂😂😂😂
(Not me though that sounds torturous!)
1:48 I literally started crying. If only someone had told me this 2 years ago. This UA-cam channel is an absolute necessity for this world.
Wow, thanks so much!
Yeah, best piece of advice ever👏👏👏
It's not about the good times, it's about ''what are they at their worst''.
“If their worst is sexual assault and physically harm you… pull the eject lever”.
This should be taught in schools.
Word
Facts
Someone had way too much fun with the names in the CC. “Vampire Bride.” “Wolfy.” “Sparky.” Amazing!
I like when it changes to "spark-less" 🤣
Wolf-Whisperer
"Pitch perfect"
"Yea, I can feel it coming."
Alan: "In these old knees."
Me: *chokes on siliva laughing*
That part killed me too🤣
Yes, that 😂
What is siliva bruh
@@nilbog972 saliva...
*Atheritis coming back to haunt you again be like:*
Whoever did the subtitles for this 👏 love it!!
Sparky! :D
yes!
Wolfy needs a punch in the face, I mean seriously
Vampire bride 😂
@@TheNaomiFearn also not-sparky
The thing is especially in this one is that BELLA is also being incredibly manipulative to both of them and playing them off each other. People always seem to miss that part over the abusiveness of Edward and Jacob.
All three of them are toxic a hell. Snd Bella feels like someone who would be absolutely draining to be around irl
Same, bella isnt just a victim here and is not held accountable for her actions.
>ye im marrying you
>othrr guy finds out, gets upset
>uhbut kiss me so you feel better
>fiance: im cool with this.
In what woooorllddddd
@@pretzelicious4200 In my opinion, it's Bella who's being manipulated in the "kiss me" scene. She only asked him to do it because he threatened to kill himself, because it was only thing that would have stopped him. She didn't *want* to kiss him.
@@pretzelicious4200 the books show the more manipulative side to Bella. I hated the books reading them as an adult. I got to the Jake/baby part of BD and I couldn't finish it. I used the whole series to start a lovely bonfire...the only burn burning I support because they are better as kindling. I say this as a writer of Twilight fanfiction based around Jasper and Peter. SM wrote better stories for her background people than for her Mary Sue erotic dream.
“Oh, I think she’s sending the message pretty clearly,” Jonathan, you’d be surprised how clueless some guys can be.
I'm not entirely sure they would be clueless in -that- situation 😂
My friends mock me for how oblivious I can be, but even I got the message in a similar situation.
True. MY man would have broken the kiss and asked me "So what is it you want?" If I don´t say it he doesn´t know it.
Incels be like "she says no but she mEANS YES"
@@Bllll957 in that particular situation she certainly means yes, or rather "please"
Welp, assuming will land you in jail if you're not careful, so, it's the least of two evils
“Twilight brings out the worst in us.” I freaking died! XD
What I never understood was why Jacob tried so hard considering he HADN'T imprinted on Bella. It made me imagine what he thought their future would be like since he would ultimately imprint on someone else and leave Bella stranded the way it happened with Sam and Leah.
Also he didn't even want to be with Bella when he first changed into a wolf because of how Sam scarred his wife so like when he says "I'm perfectly right for you" it's kind of a huge contradiction to what he had been saying
Yes! This! There was even an example of that in the pack. I would never marry a guy who might at any moment fall desperately in love with someone else and leave me.
Apparently he was attracted to her... ovaries... or smth, cuz later in breaking dawn he imprints on Bella's *daughter* when she is a _baby_
Imagine if he actually convinced Bella to be in a relationship with him, married her, had a kid aaaand... ugh. I don't even wanna think about it.
I don’t think he cared about how he could hurt her in the future by imprinting on someone else. He only cared about having her, not what was best for her. Because he wasn’t what was best for her (and neither was Edward, but we’re just talking about Jacob now). And he had to have known that from observing what happened with Sam, Leah, and Emily.
One point to add to the "talk to your children about sex" point - make sure you actually are telling them truths. The amount of old wives tales and disproven "facts" my parents told me was excessive. I've actually had to teach my parents about this stuff which is just sad.
Yes!! And kids’ BS meter is so insanely good. If you’re feeding them shit, they’ll know and not trust you (or other adults) as reliable sources of information. They can’t make informed decisions.
That’s why I get annoyed when people say schools shouldn’t teach it, only parents. The two can complement each other.
@@catsmom129 This reminds of an episode from the first season of Reba where Reba was substituting at Cheyenne's school and the principle said something like, "The motto of this school is that sex doesn't exist." So there's no sex ed at your school, mam? I know it's just a show but still. Haha
@@JustLindaThings It's true. Where I am, in the US, teachers (in some states) are mandated to an abstinence-only curriculum. They're not allowed to talk to them about anything like contraception or safe sex practices. Countless studies have shown that abstinence-only education doesn't work, but if they want to keep their jobs, there isn't a damn thing teachers can do about it...
@@4pensword4 I went to 2 different schools throughout junior high and high school. In junior high and my junior my year, I went to a private school. The health teacher talked to my class about sex. He didn't talk about having protective sex because well, it was a private school (religious too) and they didn't believe in premarital sex but there are teens who have sex so protective sex needs to be taught. I remember being taught about periods in like 4th grade.
I like reading the Twilight books - they're my favorite hate read! I keep yelling at the pages for Bella to grow a spine. The last book is 'the best' (relatively speaking) since there Bella FINALLY stands up for herself.
When my kids are older, I'll make them read the series and tell them to RUN if anyone treats them that way in a relationship. So in that way, the books are pretty educational: they show you exactly what not to do/put up with.
People really need to realize just how much worse the Books are.
You would think the Movie is so bad, it must be the Worse one,
but no, they actually fixed-while-adapting... HARD. In the BOoks, Edward is massively more manipulating, to the point where he tricks and bribes and manipulated like some Mastermind-Anime-Villain. Its insane!
Hence why i would recommend Krimson Rogue and such Book-Reviewers.
I had a friend recommend the books to me when I was like 18. The first book, I got rapid like everyone else. Then the second I was like….when is Bella going to rely on herself? Just so much dependency. And then the 3rd book, I barely made it through and just rage quit. I even owned the last book but didn’t read it because I was so effing annoyed by that point. I had so many people tell me, “no Bella finally gets strong in the last one!” Yeah, too little, too late! I still don’t know what happens, I’ve only seen clips in these type of analysis, never watched the films. Bella is such a disappointing, bland, flat character.
@@slevinchannel7589 Why have you put this reply to multiple comments? I think this is the 3rd (?) time I've seen this comment.
@@kspoo10_ To get more people to see it?
@@slevinchannel7589 tbh i think twilight at this point should be a horror movie
As someone who was in an abusive relationship, it wasn’t so much that stayed for the good times. I stayed because I created a logic where I would repeat to myself “good love is hard love”. I was able to get out of my situation very luckily by seeing my twin sister get into a healthy relationship. I saw here relationship and realized I wanted that. So I left… and I got it. Good love is not hard love. Love is easy, life is hard.
I was also in a WORSE relationship than Bella and Edward, and I thought exactly like you - I should deal with it because relationships are hard work and it's not all sunshine and roses...and when the first book came out and I read it, I cried for 3 days because I realized I wanted someone to love me like Edward loved Bella....and it inspired me to divorce the POS. My life was actually improved by Twilight because Edward was a better person than the POS I was married to...
I had a very similar thought process...I'm glad you got out of that relationship.
@@Trilingualeks Well relationships are hard work, BUT that DOES NOT mean there's any room for abusive or toxic behavior.
Can you guys give me your strength? My relationship is very toxic, yet I love the good moments so i don't leave. Wish I had the guts to break up.
@@woolypuffin392 It's ok to love the good moments, but are they enough? You have to take the bad stuff too and is that really the relationship you deserve? In a good relationship, there's still lots of good moments, but no toxicity. You can have that too! It's a matter of asking yourself is this (the whole relationship, good+bad) what I want from life?
When my husband proposed to me he tried doing a romantic dip and kiss....he's 6 foot 3 and I'm 5 foot 1 so our centers of gravity are way different. Long story short...we fell over and he landed on me, we both laughed and now have a fun story to tell.
Couple with a similar height difference here (he's 6'2" and I'm 5'2") and it is indeed possible to dip kiss! You both just need to be ready for it. Or in the worst case he can just support all your weight himself if he's got the muscle for it lol
Awww! That is so cute and perfect!
Dips should be across the man’s body. A lot of women can be dipped it’s just never been done properly.
I have a friend whose parents had the worst real life proposal ever.
Dad had the ring and was waiting for the right moment to propose so he kept the ring in the glove box.
They were driving somewhere and a female friend of his came up whom mom was jealous and suspicious of. A fight ensued while they were driving and it escalated.
I have no idea what was said but it ended with her yelling, “Why don’t you just break up with me and marry her?!”
He pulled over, practically kicked the door open, stomped around the car, threw her door open, jammed open the glovebox, grabbed the ring, yelled “I don’t want to marry her, I want to marry you” threw the ring into her lap, closed the door, and stomped around to his side of the car again. He took several deep breaths before he calmed down long enough to realize he needed to say, “will you marry me?”
They were married for 40 something years until he died.
This totally sounds like something out of a sitcom
@@debymello4756 Right?
oh my god i cant stop laughing this is incredible
My dad's proposal to my mum was sort of similar... He went to pick her up from work and when she got in the car he said there's something in the glovebox for you... Funnily when she told him she was pregnant they'd been fighting in the morning and after work she gave him a dummy and he thought she was taking a shot at him 😅
I have a friend with something similar. He had the ring in the glovebox, and had a whole plan for something romantic. Before that happened, he got a flat tire when she happened to be riding with him. Without thinking, he said something to the effect of, “Would you look in the glove box for the insurance (or something, idk, doesn’t matter).” To hear him say it, it was like time slowed down, and he couldn’t course correct before she found the ring. She asked him about it, and he proposed right there on the side of a busy highway. They seem happy to this day.
oh my god bella in the subtitles is WOLF WHISPERER I'm dying
She's also Vampire's Bride 😂😂😂
SPARKY 😂😂😂
"His eyes are diarrhea colored, which is apropos." LOL 🤣 Perfect.
"And that's how you assassinate a character" I do love how much of this is just them yelling at Edward and Jacob to be less horrible. Hilarious stuff
"one year for him is seven, right?" Thank you Jonathan for giving me much needed laugh in the middle of the night
"I haven't read the pamphlets" is officially my favourite line from this episode 😂
That really got me too! 😂😂
😂 lol
I love the relazation at the end when you said
"Weve been treating our fans like how Edward treats bella"
Yup! A friend of mine loves twilight, and she and a guy had a discussion that ended with her saying something like "I love The Shining, I don't model my behavior after those relationships either"
This "they are teenagers" made me think of that awesome line from teen wolf (i know i know) where scott is in pain because he lost Allison and Melissa tells him "im gonna tell you something no teenager believes, you fall in love more than once" and it stuck with me because you rarely see that in the screen, and it's something important to tell kids. Love is eternal while it lasts, and it's ok if it doesn't. You are whole, a partner doesn't define your worthiness to be loved.
I remember this line! It's a rare occasion of a movie about teenagers where they actually are treated as teenagers and not fully grown adults. Which is why I hated it in s6 when Melissa basically tells him that he has to save the whole town on his own, with a bunch of other teenagers, working against an army of armed adults. Way to support your kid, Melissa.
"Because I'm not normal. I've had to face death, and loss and pain."
Um... What part of that isn't normal? 🥴😂 That's literally the most universal experience, literally the most normal thing that all humans have in common, is dealing with loss/pain in some fashion. 🤦♀️
Bella: I'm not like other girls, I've had things happen in my life!
Everyone else: Riiiiight okay.
I take it to mean she's had to face more of it than average and closer up than most as a result of the supernatural elements in her life. Also, dramatic teenager.
@@rachaelknudsen8801 Oh 💯. Lol it's just that she says it with such conviction, just like a dramatic teenager haha.
It's very "nObOdY uNdErStAnDs Me"🥴
YES!!! My thoughts exactly
Literally every shift
Revisiting this series more than 10 years after reading it has really shown me how toxic the story really is. In that sense, it’s great horror?
I'm actually working on writing a Twilight as a horror story just to spite Twilight 😂 It's my own characters and setting with my own take on vampires
I don’t know if you’ve ever watched Dominic Noble’s videos on the books but he raises the point a few times that Stephanie Meyers could be a genuinely good horror writer if she wanted to be, not just because of all the unintentionally creepy stuff that’s meant to be romantic but because the stuff that’s actually meant to be scary, like the Volturi slaughtering a bus full of innocent people and Bella giving birth, is legitimately horrifying
Maybe it's like Killing stalking. It was supposed to be a psychological horror and people turned it into a romance 🙃
@Brianna I would love to read that book LOL
@@jonasquinn7977 I am pretty sure the woman was not into writing healthy relationships or good horror. She was into writing day dreams about sparkly boys. I still wonder how did she not realise that she was writing such toxic relationships _even_ when she was editing her books. Cause writers write a ton of crap during their first draft. It's during the editing process that the crap gets revised and filtered out. Her writing feels like that of a teenager who never allowed herself to experience a relationship. Trust me, even when a person is not allowed to do something, they still find ways to experience something that they want to. It's how humans work. Her being a mormon only partially explains this abusive mess of a fictional piece of work.
"Can I throw things at the screen?"
Is probably the most accurate feeling when I have to watch Twilight. You should've stayed a book series.
That made me think of all the times I wanted to throw the books. I might have actually done it too if not for reading them on my computer.
@@rottworks whoever wrote Twilight was an expert in literary torture because if it's painful to watch, it's probably 5x more so reading it bc reading takes forever, unless it's right before bed
It should have stayed in Meyer's mind as the wet dream it started as.
It should never have become reality
The books are worse
So Jacob was obsessed with Bella because he imprinted on her EGG, so um... if she had actually been with Jacob, would he have... imprinted on.... their child? Gonna wait for Steph Meyer to answer that.
🤮
I'm just questioning the odds of that specific egg being fertilized, which are very low odds
I say no because i believe if he was imprinting on the egg that would become renesme, he would have to be imprinting in the sperm from edward that would fertilize said egg and become the baby. Which also explains the eye fucking with edward XD
Can you imagine the imprinted egg chanting: "I have a boyfriend! I have a boyfriend! You rest are losers!!!"
🤣🤣🤣
I am both curious for the answer, and blissful in my ignorance.
These episodes have made me realize how much cinema, when consumed at crucial points in your psychological growth, can really impact what you expect from the world and other people. My obsession with these movies as a pre-teen genuinely did have an effect on what I looked for in relationships, and I paid for it. It’s so important for us to think critically about what lessons these movies are teaching young people. Even the controversy that surrounded these movies during their peak of popularity had more to do with the dark lore and whether the sexually charged content was appropriate for young people, than the fact that the depictions of these relationships were so problematic.
I am loving the captions. They are just…chef’s kiss.
Thank you!
@@asvpreis what do all those numbers in the story of Jono's wife's cold calf mean?
@@kittenmatchvids6440 One of the timing codes slipped into the caption. It's been corrected few minutes ago, so should disappear if you reload the page. Apologies for the slip
@@asvpreis I had almost hoped it was some sort of coded dirty joke XD
@@kittenmatchvids6440 Hmmm....
I was hoping to see the falling down the hill scene from the Princess Bride when Alan spoke of his proposal. You didn't disappoint. 😂
I cackled like a dying witch at that point
Same
I love how much Alan offers his input and gets into the therapizing even though he is just a film maker. He seems like a cool dude and a great friend. I just love these two so much
Jonathon: shut up, Edward.
Alan: stop telling her what to do, you dick.
I love these guys. 😂
I always thought it would be funny if Bella did choose Jacob and Jacob ended up imprinting on someone else. After all that arguing and fighting over her, and manipulating her, etc he just ends up being just like Sam dumping Leah lol
This or if she only used Edward to become a vampire then ran off a few decades later with someone better haha
So damn true! I swear. Didn't this boy ever think about it? If he later imprints, Bella will only get hurt by his stupidity.
The horrifying implication of that is that he might.... imprint on their child? I mean, we later establish it's been Resume (or really, the egg that becomes her) that's been pulling him to Bella soooooo yea....🤮
@@saraf5455 I was literally thinking of another girl but ewww lol
@@saraf5455 I hate that I know this… it’s “Renesmee”. I only know because of how dumb it is, I wish I could forget.
I read these books because one of my friend's teen daughter was into them. I read them. I enjoyed and hated them at the same time. I remember telling my friend's daughter that "my inner high school teen loves these books! But my adult lady self has a lot of problems with the books." We then had a lengthy conversation about the relationships and the abusive/concerning parts of this book. I've had similar conversations with my daughter, my nieces and kids I've worked with in therapeutic settings. I find myself grateful for the opportunities books, movies and music give us to talk to others about these issues. Can you imagine me talking to my friend's daughter about abuse otherwise? So not appropriate. Media/entertainment is a tool. Whether it's a tool to help or to harm is up to us who use it. I loved the first movie for the music soundtrack. It got me through a very hard time. I'm thankful for that.
Thanks, guys, for what you do. I have used your videos a lot to talk to friends, clients and family about important issues around relationships. 👍🏽
That's awesome to hear! You really seized the opportunity to address important issues. Good on you.
That's probably the only good outcome from that franchise, but it is a worthy one.
Actually this is how Danish children's TV is written "show, don't tell." The characters ads badly (usually they are unreasonable or abusive (in the way children can be abusive to each other) and children realises "this is bad behaviour, I should avoid being like that"
Very good way of parenting/guiding!
BTW Just a friendly cheeki remark: you knew you were doing awesome there didn't you? #fishingforcompliments ^^
As a person who grew up in a narcissistic family, I never knew what healthy relationships looked like. I used to think that twilight is a good love story. I didn't know that was abuse because the abuse was normal in my family.
You guys have helped me a lot through cinema therapy. Now, I at least have an idea of how relationships should or shouldn't be. I have never been in a healthy relationship as of yet. But now I am confident that even if I date a toxic person next, I would be able to identify the red flags and leave.
Thank you so much.
Another reason people stay in abusive relationships is because the partner will threaten self harm if they leave: or people are scared that their partner will attack/harm them if they leave. Fear is a huge reason people stay
@@gsandau i'm so sorry but so glad you got out!
Trying to leave is the most dangerous part of an abusive relationship. People are right to be afraid.
“One year for him is seven” I just died so many times now, lol.
The sad thing is the wolves are near immortal. He's gonna be around a while
Interesting coincidence that renesmee is full grown in 7 years
@@kellieseiler7105 OMG nooo. Don't remind us about renesmee! :p
@@fiery_scream she's gonna come up eventually lol they really shouldnt have done all that cg crap
Can you please react to The Addams Family as a response to this, showing a healthy vampire relationship and family dynamic?
so true! the beauty of these series is that they portray a loving and understanding family 🤗
Definitely as a healthy family dynamic the Addams are brilliant. I don't believe they ever define what they are ss far as mystical beings. Part of the fun that Charles Addams originally designed.
There's no vampires in the Addams Family. And it really depends on which iteration you're talking about whether they have a healthy family dynamic.
Yes please!