“He feels bad for pushing her across the room and into a wall and through glass. They’ve heard that a lot in the emergency room.” Going for the throat on this one
@@ellie1729 After a hundred years? So he's neglectful. It's still abuse. Not to mention he's able to have sex with her without hurting her, so he can control his strength. Hell, he didn't even have to push her. He should have just moved in front of her to shield her.
The third book seemed like it was there to convince everyone that Team Edward was the best choice by assassinating the characters of both Charlie and Jacob. Like the author was punishing anyone who dared stray from the intended path.
Seriously - guys that complain about the "friend zone" are usually kinda douches. They think because they're nice to a woman that she owes him sex and a relationship. It's part of a BS "nice guy" narrative that's based on what, exactly? Because you're not as dickish as Joe Football? Please.
I remember being about 19 and reading the Hunger Games books. They were really great, and then I brought it up to a coworker at a freelance job and she said, "So team Peeta or team Gale?" I was like, "What??" Turned out most everyone reading the books were enjoying the story for a perceived love triangle, which is exactly what Panem was into. Not crapping on anyone who enjoyed the relationships in that series, but from my perspective it was like 5% of Katniss' actual wants. Whatever conflicting feelings she had about them (mostly Peeta), it seemed like she was just trying to not die and win the day. There's a romantic element as part of the subplot, sure, but I just never understood how people took it as an actual romance.
@@wherefancytakesme Right?? To my understanding, Katniss never had romantic feelings for _either_ of them, and really only started loving Peeta that way when they talked more, and went through hardships together, and were there for each other. Y'know, when they actually started building a relationship? I don't think she ever had romantic feelings for Gale; her kisses and connections with him were to make him feel better, like it was initially with Peeta (although that was additionally for show). Obviously Peeta and Gale both liked and loved Katniss, but for it to be a love triangle (or more so a love corner) the feeling needs to be mutual, hence the line drawn between two characters in that diagram. (If people like Gale x Katniss that's chill, but I don't see how that was a love triangle)
If I was a teenager during Twilight-mania, I totally would have been all over one or the other. Glad I grew up after it was widely recognized how awful Edward and Jacob are lol
I once saw this thing that said no one hates the Twilight movies more than Robert Pattinson, and I still think that is true to this day. I find it hilarious
@@MademoiselleCl3 I saw a bunch of interviews (compiled) the other day when he was trash-talking Twilight, Stephanie Meyers, Bella, Edward...even let spoilers slip lol. I'm surprised he kept his job! ua-cam.com/video/jr6SCArHwco/v-deo.html
I'm Team 'Bella gets her life together, goes to therapy, figures out her trauma and self destructive behavior, and doesn't get married until after college, to a human, after she figured herself out'
I’m surprised Charlie didn’t try to take Bella to therapy or find out what Edward “did” to her. If my daughter was screaming murder almost every night I would think that piece of shit did something monstrous to my daughter. Not gonna lie, Edward and Jacob both made my skin crawl, they were so problematic for me.
especially when after she gets lost in the woods! she clearly isn’t ok, she’s having a trauma response to a bit dumping her! i would drive her straight to therapy!
Bruuuh same! And he's a COP so assuming the worst should be his default ... I wouldn't say he would "send her to therapy" because the book was written in like 2005 & it wasn't as trendy to see therapy then plus generally gen X parents were taught therapy is seeing a "shrink" with all the negative connotations that come with that word (or so I have been told). But I'd be so pissed if I was Charlie like his behavior made sense up until Bella showed up with a broken hand because she tried to punch Jacob off her and then Charlie congratulated Jacob... It felt ooc for Charlie if he's supposed to be a decent dad.... I would have killed Jacob too at that point. In short I agree with your comment! ♥️
They're all horrible, Bella is just as abusive as they are, the way she threatens to endanger herself because Edward left her and how she leads Jacob on even tough she knows she doesn't like him.
Edward’s logic in throwing Bella back into the table is similar to the “I almost dropped my phone onto the soft, plush carpet, but thank God my reflexes kicked in and I smacked it into the wall instead” meme.
yeah... My thoughts watching that scene (and I think something similar happened in the book too) was "Oh yeah lets just shove your girlfriend into a wall, hitting a little table filled with glass shit and make it all 1000 times worse." lol
Oh, my god! I love Twilight, like genuinely love it. It is the saga that got me into reading and not giving up after eight pages in other books. But I am reading your comment and laughing so hard because it is so true and like the comparison is so neat and I've done that myself. Peace and love!
@@CinemaTherapyShow See, THAT is the problem with Bella as a character: She is SO DEPENDANT on Edward, that she has *NEVER* learned to "swim on (her) own." The only time she actually DOES do this, is in Part 2 of Breaking Dawn.
He is a vampire; who will understand why he left - and why it is paining her - if they don’t know that. She can’t exactly tell them that, without them thinking she is crazy, she might even end up in a mental hospital if that happens.
Well as someone who has childhood somewhat samd as Bella I can tell that I was even afraid of having friends. Cause you always fear if you get friends or bf/gf like your parents. And then self defence kicks in and even if we have friends after some time you started to go away from them into your misery again. And that's because mind is so messed up from childhood and this problem can't be solved just in days or months. People like us took so much time to heal from that years of trauma. And I was only lucky that I was undesirable and had trust issues which kept me away from red flags when I was a teenager but most of teenage girls such as Bella are not lucky. And they find another damaged people like them just so they would be understood. I mean I literally had two friends who had problem with their father just as me. And only found peace with them until I got how we are just not compatible with each other accept common mommy & daddy issues. So we are not that close friends anymore.
What I HATE about some Young Adult novels are exactly this: the protagonist is an empty shell and their personality trait is "I'm in love with this person" This trope must die. Twilight flooded the market with those. This. Isn't. Love.
young adult novels are super trash anyway but there is probably nothing worse than dystopian young adult novels. like hunger games. I dont know why everyone went bonkers over hunger games, its such absolute trash. yet another dumb protag without any personality and kids managing to dismantle governments. I would rather make them read 1984.
Yes! It's so tiring to see so many YA female protagonists have their whole character arc being about "I love this person, I'm nothing without them, and nothing else can complete me". So many YA books start off as a fiction story with romance on the side and become a romance story with fiction on the side. There's little to no variation from that in the YA novel market
I highly advise you to read the book instead of basing your comment on the movie, because in the book that is not her personality, so I it’s the movies fault not the novel. Although I do agree that they portrayed depression in a awful way, because Bella only overcame it when she got back together with Edward. But it is a fantasy book with vampires and werewolf’s. I wouldn’t base of my relationships on this novel or movie
And this is why I don't read Twilight when I was young because it is disturbing and boring therefore I watched good anime that shows good relationships
edward's logic: oh no! my gf got a papercut! i must protect her from big bad vampire by t h r o w i n g h e r a g a i n s t a w a l l a n d b r e a k i n g e v e r y b o n e i n h e r b o d y I'm such a good boyfriend!
Edward: How am I gonna get her out of the way of my bloodthirsty adopted brother? I'll knock her into a glass table where the glass will cut her, make her bleed even more and make him even more eager to drink from her. I'm such a genius and good boyfriend.
I heard he intentionally used those expressions during acting because he hated Twilight. Or his character. So when they're talking about him looking constipated in this video, I was just like, "Yep, that was the point."
Jacob: *nice, gets clingy as hell near the end because sloppy writing, doesn't get the girl* Edward: *is literally abusive to the point he breaks Bella to where she can't stand not being around him, and is older than most people will ever grow to be, gets the girl* Alice: *literally the only person close to Bella who's good to her in literally every sense* So, can we get a team Alice and Therapy?
@@eg-draw Yes! I remember Rosalie explaining her relationship with Royce King and it broke my heart, but you can tell that she learned a lot from it and from being with Emmett. She doesn't want to be stuck in the same place, but their relationship is more of a partnership than an emotional co-dependency. She wanted to grow old with someone who loves her and that was taken from her. I feel so much for Rosalie and really wish there could be a separate novel or something of the sort explaining her story.
That really hit me. I'm in the fortunate position to not have an abusive boyfriend/girlfriend but just imagining that people go to ER because of their spouse, they trust and love is just so saddening.
@@revi6482 I was in that situation. I didn't trust nor love the man who almost killed me. It was fear. Fear of being nothing attracted me to him, fear of him kept me there.
"He feels bad for pushing her across the room, into a wall and through glass. They've heard that a lot at the emergency room." This made my heart sank...
@@hayleybartek8643 He's not really being sarcastic- he knows for a fact that the abusers feel bad after doing these things. And yes, the emergency room would probably call someone about this.
@Jabroniville The abusers don't feel bad, the abuse victims just think they do because their desire for the abusers "love" and fear from the violence is the one thing that binds them to the relationship. "He didn't mean to..." and "It was my fault/I shouldn't have..." Is one of the most common phases uttered by victims of abuse, even to professionals. Icing on the cake? Domestic abuse laws are still archaic. Unless the victim agrees to press charges or the assault happens Infront of witnesses, no one can do a damn thing about it. You could literally listen to your neighbor beat the shit out of their significant other, report it, even record evidence and unless the victim decides press charges,.you get to hear it all over again and potentially worse considering the abuser would blame the victim for the cops being called.
@@RiveroftheWither Some abusers could just be saying that phrase to their victim in the emergency room because they want the victim to think they regret it and come crawling back into their arms. I also wouldn't put it past an abuser to say shit like this in public so people think they're NOT abusive and think they genuinely care about the victim and just "acted out in a fit of anger this one time." But some abusers DO feel bad about the pain they cause, just in a sick twisted way like "How could you make me hurt you? Hurting you makes me feel like the bad guy! This hurts me more than it hurts you" kinda way. So they can still say they felt bad and mean it, they just don't feel bad about the correct things.
"Jacob is the good thing for her. And she's like, 'I just want it to be Edward.' And that's the thing about abusive relationships, they want the abusive partner to become the good partner and they hold on to the tiny exceptions, to the good moments, and hope for the future, instead of saying: 'Maybe I should just go with somebody who's already got their act together." Oh man. Why did I have to learn all this the hard way.
Peace. The way my dad explains relationships (using it broadly), particularly the choices/decisions/actions people make in those interactions is: "You pay for lessons with experience." I feel the same way as you. In my situation, I think it was best that I learned it earlier so that when I am met with similar choices &/or people, I can make better decisions based off of the experience & lessons I have gained and went though. Good and bad. I hope this helps and that you remember this quote as well, "Don't beat yourself up as if you lived life twice." Peace.
@ellatheravenclaw While watching a movie, my 12 year old daughter mentioned this the other day and I have to say that was a very proud moment for me. :)
Exactly! So, so, SO many romantic plots hinge on the sole fact that people aren't having a simple conversation they should be having. It's not just that that conversation would make the movie better, it would completely negate the need for the entire movie to even exist. And it's so sad, because movies are what we grow up with and what we learn from, so no one is learning healthy coping mechanisms or healthy conversational skills from them and we often have to learn those from a therapist. It should be common sense and basic knowledge. It would ruin the entire film industry, perhaps, but still. I have severe difficulty finding movies that I like because I just get frustrated if the obstacles are all caused by two people not talking. I can't feel tension in an action scene that hinges on someone taking an inordinately large amount of time to say something that could've been said in a sentence. Like "don't go that way! You have to trust me!", which should have been "there's a bomb there!", done.
Bella had friends before she started dating Edward. She was so dependent on him for validation and her sense of self that she pretty much isolated herself from them in order to be with him 24/7. These people wanted to be her friends, the welcomed her to the school, included her at their lunch table, engaged her with interests and conversation and Bella tossed it aside like it was nothing.
I'm going to defend Bella's treatment of Jacob here. I got accused of "leading guys on" in highschool for being friends with them and then not wanting to date them. You go very quickly from a little kid who can be friends with any other little kid to the expectation being that hanging out with boys has a romantic connotation. And I think too many men think that niceness gives them the right to the girl, when that just isn't true.
I think in Bella's case, since she knew about his feelings and knew she had no plans to date him, she should have had a conversation with him about what this relationship is to her and explain that she just wants to be friends with him.
All the problems in your case would be solved if you just clarified that you're not looking for romantic relationship. In Bella's case she knew what feelings jacob had, she only didn't care. Bella should've made it clear that he needs to stop pursuing her because it won't go further than friends.
I never realized that besides the relationship, Bella really is a blank. We know she likes to read, but we don’t know her favorite books, she doesn’t have a favorite food, hobby, or anything like that.
@@canvas_125 I get her starting out that way, but if your going to commit to a novel, with sequels you should really be layering in some personality here and there.
@@Midhiel i got Midnight Sun as a free audible and it was a struggle to get through. I really am not a audio book person so i missed a bunch of what was in there.
“He doesn’t respect her enough to be straight with her” “once again, Edward making decisions for what’s best for Bella, without Bella being in the loop” YES
The whole plot of New Moon is based on a paper cut. Bella cuts her finger, and everything that happens after just convinces Edward that he needs to leave to keep her safe which is the reason everything else in the movie happens. So in the end, it was all because of a paper cut.
@@wandanemer2630Now that I think about it, I am also wondering how he controls himself during her periods. Scratch that, how do ANY of these vampires control themselves around a woman in her periods?
Imagine a cool Bella who wants to become a mechanic and upgrades her truck in free time. Give her something different beside the “romance”. It’s ok when she is clumsy, but by only adding a hobby, she gets much more personality
In one script she was a track star who becomes a vampire hunter and is eventually turned into a vampire. But Meyer demanded the film be more like the book.
@@Xehanort10 why can't we live in the universe where that script was the movie?? That's so much more interesting. Would have at least gotten a decent enemies to lovers story
Her hobby is meant to be that she likes reading classic literature. But, yeah, it doesn't feature much because she mostly just abandons everything about herself in order to make her whole self all about Edward. >__
"You need to learn how to swim, otherwise you´re gonna grab on to which ever slimy piece of driftwood floats by." - Cinema Therapy... this quote made me share this clip among my friends.
A friend who struggles with depression told me that, despite the dumb reason Bella got depressed, the chapters that are just the month and nothing else are a really good representation what its like to be in the midst of depression. Time just slips away, and you're not conscious of the world around you anymore. It recontextualised it for me, most times people make fun of that moment, but, its actually a really clever way to portray the time skip
I'm really glad someone said this. I went through this after my first break up (at 19) and the book New Moon (a decade later) was the first time I felt like someone understood how I felt.
Bellas reaction to her boyfriend breaking up with her is literally the same like Katniss' (Hunger Games) reaction to surviving two Hunger Games and a Civil War, and loosing practically everything and everyone she ever loved. Think about that. Edit: In the comments on this comment there are some users who share their own experiences with situations like the one Bella is in. I recommend everyone who happens to see this commend to read them, I personally feel like Bellas reaction now seems way more understandable.
@@ChrisPargon this! the worst of it is, that the traumatized reaction is the reflection of "I am nothing without this dude, might as well die" by Bella. I mean, gurl, you only got left by some toxic dude, got traumatized by him cause wow, he was threatening in a serial killer way and you went along. I get the night terrors, but wow.
But inaccurate. She isn't wearing a wig in this movie, that's her real hair. She started wearing a wig in Eclipse after she cut her hair short for The Runaways movie.
At least in the book the shrieking makes more sense; she keeps having recurring nightmares about being attacked by vampires and werewolves. But including the shrieking in the movie without any explanation was a bad move on the filmmakers' part.
I was just thinking that would make more sense! The Cullens left now all that trauma from James and her own humanity and vulnerability is coming up. Much more understandable and realistic
While it would make sense for Bella to have nightmares about vampires and werewolves now that her safety net is gone, her nightmares in the books were all about Edward being gone. And while the audience can infer that she has PTSD from the events of the previous book, I honestly don't think the author intended for Bella to have PTSD from anything other than Edward leaving. It's open to interpretation, but that's my opinion
it honestly made sense to me because when i was dealing with PTSD i would wake up screaming all the time but i totally forgot that her dreams were about that!! thank you though
@@leigh-anjohnson yeah i interpreted it as some sort of PTSD/deep depression bc when i was dealing with PTSD i would scream in my sleep and my boyfriend would have to shake me awake. but obviously im projecting my experience onto bella lol
I was the abused teen girl thrown across the room, in the emergency room, and yeah, it’s tragic when it happens to people. But that’s also one of the reasons these books make me SO mad, why I banned them from my classroom, etc. Because Bella doesn’t leave, Edward is rewarded for his bad behaviour repeatedly, no one has ISSUES with any of this, and it’s all portrayed as natural, normal, and romantic. It’s. Not. So yeah, no, if this had been a horror story fine, but it’s not and roast away. Do everything possible to discourage the normalization of abuse.
@@cairrean2412 To be fair, I used to give classes a choice when I saw people reading the book: either they remove the book and conversation about it from class (and that means no homework topics on it either) OR I pick one week’s lecture to replace with a discussion about the series, it’s red flags, why what it shows is harmful, etc. If classes voted for the latter, I’d allow scholarly work on the series - but only if it was serious. In the time I taught, I had a pretty even split of classes opt to ban vs discuss the book. The only class I didn’t give the option was my teen summer camp kids (Center for Talented Youth/Hopkins). They got a ban on the book in class AND the lecture - but that mostly reflected the fact they were teens and our classes were 8-12 hour days, and I didn’t want the book around during lunch or breaks. And I did want to teach them it wasn’t a good thing to idolize. Got a lot of parents thanking me for that one.
@@khills I personally don't like the idea of banning books but I like that you give them a choice on whether to ban the book or to have it be a part of the lesson plans. Honestly, I like the option to turn it into a lesson/lecture. It's a great way to teach kids to be critical of what they read and to address more serious topics in a way that makes it understandable/relatable. I didn't read the Twilight books until I was a young adult (I was 22 when I read all 4 books for the first time... my friends had already read the books and insisted I read at least the first book before I watch the movie. I managed to read the first 3 books before the first movie premiered... I didn't have the money to buy the last book until after I had seen the first movie in theatres). Personally, as an adult, I loved the books. It took me 3 days to finish the first one, 2 days to finish the 2nd book, 12 hours to finish the 3rd book, and only 9 hours to finish the 4th book. But as an adult, I was able to enjoy the story while recognizing that in reality, taking away the supernatural elements (if the characters were all humans), that the relationship between Bella and Edward is definately co-dependent, toxic, and not "Hashtag Relationship Goals". As an adult I am able to appreciate the fantasy and keep it separate from reality. The reality being that you should never be that dependent on another person where they become your entire world, forsaking friends and family in the name of "love." There is a difference between love and obsession/infatuation. Bella's actions when Edward and his family leave are dangerous and self-destructive. She puts herself in dangerous situations in hopes to hear/see Edward in her mind... Which taken out of fantasy, in reality that could be the thrill seeking, high risk situations that Bella does or it could be self-harm, which is just as dangerous and high risk behavior as what Bella does in the books/movies. And Edward's behavior is controlling and manipulative. He does some really fucked up things, treating Bella like trash and justifies it by saying he was trying to "protect her." And nobody should be breaking into your bedroom (or even peeping at the window) to watch you sleep at night... that's not romantic... that's creepy, stalkery, and criminal behavior. However, for young kids (pre-teens/teenagers included in that) who don't have the life experience that adults do, who still have young brains that are still learning and developing, it can be difficult to separate reality from fiction and it's easier for kids to idolize and imitate that which they watch and read in media. I think it's a good thing to teach children how to be critical of the things they read, both fiction and non-fiction alike (because it's important to be critical of news sources and to recognize biases in the media when analyzing information). I also think it's an important lesson to teach children (pre-teens/teens) the difference between fantasy and reality. They need to be taught that what is acceptable in a fantasy world is not always acceptable in reality. How else will children (pre-teens/teens) learn what the "red flags" are if nobody takes the time to point them out? And what better way to do so than to look at fictional characters' choices/behaviors and discuss why those choices/behaviors were good or bad? I think those sorts of discussions done in the "safe space" of a classroom are critical to a child's (pre-teen/teen) learning and development so that they can take what they learn in the classroom and hopefully apply it to their real lives and future relationships so that they can recognize the red flags in real relationships early before they get in too deep and are able to walk away from a bad relationship.
@@captsparrowslady Yeah, like I said, the only class I didn't give the choice was my teen group of smartiepants. They got the lecture on /why/ I was banning the books, and I allowed the girl who asked to make it her final project to do so, but I absolutely was not going to have them in my classroom for 8-12hrs a day, 6 days a week. For one, those classes have to move at a fast pace because they're actually academic courses and you only have the kids for six (very intense) weeks, so I didn't want the distraction. But also because of the intensity of the space-summer camp, away from home, long hours in the classroom-I could see a situation where the intensity actually amped up the attachment to the teen romance of it all (teens and forbidden love/Romeo and Juliet, what even is that), and I didn't want to end up with that situation in my lap. We all have those cultural things that mean a lot to use because they happened at a time of high emotion (one of mine, funnily enough, is Buffy the Vampire Slayer), and I was okay with minimizing the chance the kids would form that attachment to the Twilight series.
Advice from a girl that had her heart broken at the age of 17, who also lost her friend over the breakup: the princess bride, M&Ms and fluffy blankets make things better. Pillows are our best friends, pijamas are a must. School is important, so focus on your work. Soon enough, you’ll be whole again.
Alternatively, power metal, an oversized hoodie, ungodly amounts of your favorite ice cream and video games. Blankets are amazing, especially if you're sitting on an armchair. Go for a walk, at least for a few minutes everyday, because fresh air tires you out and will lighten your mood a bit. If you're too distraught to get anything done, it's okay to take a break, just be sure to get back in the saddle after a day or two.
@@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 And I would also like to add, canned soup, ramen noodles, spending time with animals, comic books, funny memes, and Disney movies.
I liked how her dad was never uncomfortable to confort her at all times. He was very caring, and gentle to her and a good support. We all need a dad like charlie lol.
I blamed myself the past 8 months for my last relationship, your advice showed me I was being controlled. I don't know how to thank you, but I'm so happy I found you.
I know this is months later, but just want to say I'm glad you're in a better place and not dealing with that relationship any more. Wishing you the best for the future!
Kristen Stewart can definitely act, so I'm inclined to view her portrayal as taking a character written like garbage and playing it exactly as written.
Even though I used to be a big fan I have to agree with you, I honestly thought after watching the movies that she couldn't act until I saw her in other movies
It is true Bella was badly written, but on purpose. Because Stephenie Meyer kind of explained that she made Bella mostly blank so the reader could somewhat insert themselves as that character. It's a hit or miss technique depending on how the reader sees it. To teens during the Twilight Era like myself at the time, it was a success. To now adults we're like "Ew..." Lol
@@ayarriba9093 Yeah if it were real life. It's kind of the usual though and you get used to it when you read dark supernatural romance. Where it's like Jacob for example, possessive because of the Alpha wolf gene going on. Vampires in whatever folklore (kind of mentioned in twilight with hunting grounds) are territorial and so would also be over their mate/partner. Since, Edward sees Bella as that... Yeah. Real life with that behavior: Very bad In fiction: Anything goes.
When she lived with her mom, she lived for her mom, acting as a parent. When she moved in with her dad she just did the same kind of things, because that's all she knew. That's the only kind of relationships and life she had had for years. I mean even moving in with her dad was all for her mom. Which is probably largely why she has no real sense of self. She never had or took that time to figure out who she was on her own without a heavily dependent relationship. She was starting to foster connections and figure out who she was, while living with Charlie. She was starting to learn more about Charlie and some friends at school, but then Edward just barreled into her life. And she stopped nurturing those connections, she actually mostly cut herself off from them because everything became about Edward.
That's a very fair point. It seems to me like Bella was a solitary person who had no idea of how to relate with others and she couldn't experience enough so as to know or develop herself. Also if her mother was all immature and she learnt to do the parenting that also explains a lot. She has no real purpose beyond her love story
@@fatbitch7168 yes! She had no real purpose besides her love story, & never grew into her own identity at all. It’s very sad. Tbh I think Stephenie Meyer is similar in that way, & struggled develop her own identity, I believe in part due to the fundamentalist religion she grew up in. The Twilight series is not really a good message for solo teen readers bc there is no resolution, solution, or any self awareness of this lack of purpose - from either Bella or the author herself. I think the series is best for teens when read or watched along with adults like this therapist, a parent, or other adult who can point out the harmful, destructive behaviors and how to fix them.
Say THAT again😂😂 They should define do 50 shades, I would love their analysis! I think 50 shades is scarier because there is no magic and lore involved just real people...romanticizing abuse.
@@Andyatl2002 at the end of the day is always fanfiction's authors fault What is creepy is that all these bullcraps are written by women and targeted for women.
@@00B., I do think there is a reason as to why they target women, most women get told to fix men, and these abusive relationships come together in this fiction
in that opening scene he basically made it worse. Like, he didn't have to push her at all, he needed to push that other vampire. But no, throw her across the entire room into a bunch of glass objects. She certainly won't cut herself and drip more blood everywhere.
A great alternative storyline to the Twilight saga of abusive and toxic relationships: Bella's abusive bf Edward has to leave Forks. After leaning on her friends for support, Bella discovers she loves motorcycles and working on them with her unproblematic friend Jacob, a guy who doesn't try to control her and would never get upset at being "friendzoned". She becomes a whiz at fixing machines and gets a job at an autoshop. Bella begins to forget about Edward and enjoys spending time with Jacob and riding motorcyles and fixing them together (rather than just watching him do it.) She decides to date Jacob because she realizes emotionally stable guys her age with nice abs are much more fun to date than old, sullen vampires. She also makes time for her friends and realizes that doing normal high school activities with Anna Kendrick and co are life-enriching, and laughing is more fun than pouting and staring into the distance. The end.
Or she doesn't get with Jacob either. 👌🏼 She becomes her own woman who doesn't need to emotionally rely on a man until she gets even more hobbies. Until she eventually falls in love with someone who talks to her openly, respects her decisions, and doesn't hurt her in the name of love, and definitely doesn't make decisions on her behalf without her consent.
"If someone breaks your heart, I promise you, your life is more than that." Just repeating it instead someone has to be reminded in the comments. Love you guys.
Come to think of it, if Jacob only has feelings for Bella because she’s half of Renesmee, wouldn’t that mean he also has some interest in Edward? Maybe your jokes in Part 2 about the two guys having more chemistry with each other than with Bella were closer to the mark than you realized. XD
That reminds me of a post I saw where someone made that observation and headcanoned that Jacob felt very panicked because all of a sudden because he had a weird lust for Edward a few days before Bella conceived their little demon
Bella's got more realistic chemistry with most of the Cullens than she does with Edward. At least, that's how I recall it, I haven't watched these movies in many years.
Bella is written in a way that makes her a shell of a woman that anyone can fit into. No interests, no hobbies, no personality or substance. Exactly like a fanfic aimed at the reader.
Here is some food for thought: Alice has visions of the future, the moment a decision is made she sees everything that will occur, her and Edward planned that birthday party, despite Bella outright telling them I do not want to have a party, I am not comfortable with it. They then gang up on her and guilt her into to having one anyway. Alice also decorates the entire house, and put out all of the glass plates that Bella later gets thrown into, plates that dont need to be used by anyone but Bella. In the book Myers describes at least a half a dozen plates stacked up by an enormous cake. If you really put some thought into everyone's actions within that book it shows the lengths that this "family" goes to in order to force Bella into being a compliant little Stopford wife. They knowingly take advantage of a young impressionable girl, over emphasizes the power imbalance between them, give her bits and drabs of affection, knowing that she has none of this from her actual family, (despite how well Charlie is betrayed in the movies, in the book, he is useless, abandons and ignores her) and then when the family see her pushing back, her insisting on becoming one of them, her not liking them choosing her food, or her clothes, etc. They purposefully take it all away, and do so, in the most devastating manner possible. They all just leave without a word, and have Edward take her into the woods where she gets lost and ends up with hypothermia. She is trapped in the woods for hours, something like six or so if I remember right, and then when she finally is found, and she recovers, she discovers that Edward, stole all of her pictures, mementos, anything that could possibly be used as a keepsake or remembrance to help her gently transition out of this horrible dynamic. They all intentionally use her worst fears against her, in order to completely break her, so that later, as you will see, they can mold her into exactly what they want. Any time she even comes close to crossing into, I have a backbone territory, she is subtilty reminded of the time they left her. Its easy for us as adults to look at this and go, hey this is horrible behavior, and not a good relationship. However, at 16/17 with Bella's already fragile emotional insecurities, it completely makes sense that she has these reactions. It is actually quite deep if you analyze it, the danger lies in the fact that this is book pushed onto kids, who idolize this relationship. Before Edward and Bella it was Romeo and Juliet, teens everywhere wanted an idealistic love like that, which always just baffled me. Whenever someone said this, my reply was always something to the effect of, okay so you want to be sold to the highest bidder, start a war, and then commit suicide, leaving your family utterly devastated, gotcha. At 14, 15, 16, & 17 we just don't have the understanding on why these relationships are unhealthy and/or the story is showing us what not to do. (Not that is what Myers was trying to accomplish but that is what she ended up doing.)
I don't remember which year I read Romeo and Juliet in high school, but I do remember my English teacher (who remains to this day, the most badass woman I've ever met) being very upfront with us about how the idea of romance in that play should not be taken as the ideal, and while reading I understood what she meant. Romeo and Juliet literally met at Juliet's 13th birthday party, 17-year-old Romeo had just been complaining to his best friend about how the girl he likes would rather join a nunnery than sleep with him SECONDS before laying eyes on Juliet, and then HE goes out of his way to pursue her. A young girl who does not have the experience or maturity to understand anything other than this cute older boy thinks that she's pretty and giving her attention, and Romeo knows that. I cannot fathom how this is STILL considered peak romance.
@@Phoenix_of_a_Down lol right, I never understood it either, but it sort of proves my point here, that most teens just don't have the experience or maturity necessary to really understand what a real healthy relationship is or should look like.
@@LillianaNorthman It's understandable with teens, but it's also still considered peak romance in media, as well. Articles comparing the newest cinematic hot couple to a "modern day Romeo and Juliet," constant movie and play adaptations (seriously, I did theater all through high school, majored in it at college, and I feel so damn lucky that we had a Harry Potter DADA curse on our hs directors, if only because none of them ever knew enough/cared enough about theater to attempt any Shakespeare, and in college I stuck to the costume shop, so I never had to suffer through it). It's still more mainstream than it should be, with larger audiences than just young teens. I think the main issue is that Juliet is always aged up so that the whole thing seems less toxic (understandable, but even without the age gap, as you already listed, there are plenty more reasons for it's toxicity that too many people simply ignore).
Let's add one thing to Romeo and Juliet, ROMEO WAS "IN LOVE" WITH ANOTHER GIRL WHO REJECTED HIM, then he met Juliet and "fell in love" practically took advantage of a 13-year-old girl to put aside the relationship that according to Shakespeare in his initial dialogues lasted more than 3 or 4 years, he used Juliet, he killed Juliet's cousin not only for telling her that as he was from the enemy family she did not want him next to her but that his cousin literally challenges Romeo because she was very young ... also, everything happens in just 3 weeks, THEY MET IN JUST 3 WEEKS
In the books Bella isn’t awake while screaming - it’s supposed to be interpreted that she constantly has nightmares about the breakup- it’s still a very poor choice for a character
"Your wig is bleeding." That line, that one line, is EXACTLY something Mike and the robots would say! I love having these psychological perspectives with the MST3K effect! I can't wait for part 2!
Alan: I just, they're so insane that I needed a therapist to coach me through them. What is happening!? Jonathan: That’s the thing…I’m a therapist, and I don’t know! Me: You guys are Pure gold!
So, I have CPTSD and what she did reminded me of night flashbacks that I get(I don't usually wail and scream more hyperventilate and cry). Thing is - I cannot understand where she'd get that level of trauma from her life and experience. And I'm kinda pissed off about it.
@@Emilijalikesducks the first book/film ending was pretty traumatic for any person I imagine and for some people breaking up with their partner is traumatic
Edward is 109 AND a telepath and this is his understanding of other people's emotions? What really gets me is that no one - not Bella, his siblings or his parents - ever tells Edward that this was the wrong thing to do! No one points that out to him. He's sorry for causing Bella pain, but he still thinks his way is right.
@Gary Allen According to the author, vampires in this world freeze at the mental stage they were in when they were turned. But teenagers are capable of learning from experience. Edward has learned things like strong self-control and patience; he is capable of developing in some ways. He is just an arrogant idiot who thinks he knows best and nobody else's opinion on what's best matters, least of all Bella's.
@@Mysikrysa Yes. That's why creating immortal children is illegal in Meyer's vampire world. Their tantrums would draw too much attention and so on. They can't develop so they can't keep the secret.
I'm positive his entire family discouraged him from doing that. But he made up his mind. And he stated the only reason he did that was because he didn't want Bella to wait. He didn't want to give her hope that he would come back. Bella doesn't point it out to him because she believed him when he said he didn't want her. And he needed her to believe that.
@@BlueDauntless If you really don't see what's wrong with that, watch Cinema Therapy's two part episode on New Moon again, particularly the part about Edward making decisions for Bella without Bella being in the loop. He completely disregard what she thinks and feels and tries to force her through lies and manipulation to feel and react the way he wants her to. Bella doesn't point it out because she blindly believes him, sure. How about all the many many times she learns that he is lying or otherwise trying to manipulate her? Bella believes him which causes her immense pain, yet when he comes back in New Moon she never bring up the simple fact that "you should have been honest with me". The audience can make assumptions about Edward's family trying to dissuade him, but that's not enough when it's never shown on page in the actual story. None of the Cullens even apologized for leaving without so much as a goodbye. And when Edward continues his obsessive controlling behavior in Eclipse to the point of having Alice hold Bella prison at his house while he's gone with her barely allowed to even use the phone, none of them object to it.
I always assume that the night terrors were causedby the PTSD she was suffering from James's attack. They got worse after Edward left because Bella no longer felt safe with out him.
It's so weird and over the top for her to have such an extreme response to the breakup. It would make more sense that it's a response to James and the aftermath. The one minor hitch I'd have with this theory is that she brings up to Edward later that he could have let the bite do its work and then she would be just like them. So would the trauma be involuntarily from that? Or would she have found a way to twist it so it was less traumatic for her and more like a "oh well, better luck next time" deal?
My thought exactly! I'm not going to be able to see the premiere (because it'll be at 1am here) but I already gave it a like just because the thumbnail made me chuckle. XP I'll watch it as soon as I have time tomorrow for sure :) Edit: I saw the time wrongly, hehe. I'll totally be able to watch it premiere :)
I did have a period of time screaming in bed like she did. It was terrifying for both my Dad and myself. We don't know if it was stress, or something but I had no control over it. I eventually realized it was seizures. Hasn't happened since.
Kifs and yong adolescence can have night terrors and grow out of ut. Persistent can be Ptsd nightmare from near death experience at balet studio. Not sure how john missed that.
@@syra1541 kids and young adolescents can have night terrors and grow out of it. A reason for Bella’s could be her near death experience in a ballet studio. Not sure how John missed that.
@@JG-ce5yu But there was no indication that it was related to the ballet studio fight? It only started when Edward left, and any "trauma" from the ballet studio is NEVER mentioned. If it was supposed to be related to the ballet studio and not just a weird reaction to being dumped, I'm pretty sure her being traumatized from it would've been mentioned once in the thousand+ pages
@Heather Smith my reply was based on movies, not books. So maybe you are right on the books. I dont know because I never read the books. This is cinema reviews bot book reviews, though. Generally speaking, post-traumatic stress disorder can happen or come out later based on a trigger. Some people dont have signs for decades after experiencing a single or multiple traumas. Additionally, it's a misconception that a breakup couldn't trigger a trauma. Trauma is individual relative. Something emotionally experienced that feels like your dying can trigger it. PTSD is super complex. There are multiple types and multiple ways it can show up in the body behaviors. Saftey is key. So if we look at the movie, bella was safe with edward around and when he levt saftey was gone. Even though over all the relationship was not so good again, it's based on her perspective, her trauma, her bodies way of reacting to this, her bodies way of dealing with grief.
If this is his first girlfriend than maybe it's more relateble? But then that again is very sad.. 109 years old and it's your first time haveing a girlfriend.. poor guy. (Maybe that exolains all his bad moves? but then again, his whole family has partners...)
So just to point out that the "screaming in bed" isn't just Bella laying awake in bed screaming into her pillow... she is having night terrors, like PTSD level of nightmares, reliving Edward leaving her in the forest and she wakes up screaming from the night terrors....
As a guy with actual PTSD who had it even at Bella's age, my nightmares have legit NEVER gotten bad enough for me to thrash and scream like that? I think that's why-- she freaks out like that a lot & that level of reaction doesn't seem common with us. Most of the time I'll jolt up breathing heavily, but I've still to this day never actually screamed like a xenomorph was coming outta me.
Yes! And also from being hunted by a vampire who wanted to kill her slowly and cruelly. Without Edward/ the Cullens there, her and her family/friends are in grave danger if any more of James friends show up. She’s terrified and feels completely helpless (in my non-important opinion lol)
"you have to learn how to swim on your own, otherwise you'll grab onto the nearest bit of slimy driftwood to hold onto" - definitely going to use this quote
I was a 16 year old girl in an abusive relationship. I did break up with him, but it destroyed me for months. I was depressed, I slept around, I did poorly in school...because he convinced me I was nothing without him. I thought that I was no longer a person worthy of love or care. I was reading this book around the same time and I felt so seen and understood. Just thought I'd share from that perspective.
I’m glad for you that it helped you. One of the things with the guys is that this is what some girls experience. To say nothing of the fact that teen years can be very emo very dramatic through in low self esteem and you have a girl who is ripe for this kind of exploitation
My issue with that comparison is the message of new moon is that he's right. Which is a terrible thing to tell someone who feels seen and understood by post-break up Bella. That girl should be told and made to feel like she has a life and love outside of that horrible person, not encouraged to return to her abuser because she's nothing without him to define her.
@@ahenchman8656 Agree. I hate that these books never point out that this kind of behavior is not okay. It could have been so much better if it had shown Bella doing something, Anything to get better on her own and build a life - school, friends, hobbies, Anything that was not centered around Edward.
@@rachelgarber1423 I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I hope that you're happy and I wish you a wonderful life with healthy relationships.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I have never watched the Twilight series before, and I'm glad I'm finally knowing about this dumpster fire of a story through this channel. Jonathan and Alan's bromance is a better love story than Twilight.
Honestly Bella is one of the worst written female characters ever, and led to characters like Tessa from After, Elle from Kissing Booth, that lady from 365 Days, and literally everyone in 50 Shades of Grey. It’s fine to depict an abusive relationship with horrible characters, just acknowledge that the relationship is bad and find a better outcome than the couple staying together. If Twilight was actually meant to be a cautionary tale of some sort, it would be fine. But it’s not.
Considering that 50 Shades was Twilight fanfiction ... is there any wonder why it was crap. I read it when it was Bella and Edward and had friends in a writing group that helped her edit the thing into some sort of cohesiveness, she never thanked 1 of them when it got published. Then she turns around and says she will sue anyone that writes fanfiction about it.
Elle from the kissing booth is at least tolerable. Considering we don’t ever expect anything more than drama and comedy from high school teen romances.
@@sanskrutiphule1957 pls stop lying lmao the guy she liked was super aggressive/manipulative in the first movie and continuously lied/omitted to her best friend, then in the second movie she cheats on her boyfriend on national tv and somehow weasled herself back into everything. She's garbage too...and Bella is in highschool too lmao
@@ironrose01 agreed. I was fed this as a 12 year old that was then sexually assaulted by a close friend and sexually pursued by a teacher in his 50s. I'm not saying it was all twilight's fault, but if media didn't tell me that I should derive my self worth from partners then I probably would have been able to call it sexual assault before I was 25.
I love whoever made the subtitles for this video. The names they gave Edward and Jacob (or should I say Sparkles and Wolfy) always manage to crack me up
IKR I spent a long time thinking Robert Pattison was a meh actor cause Twilight was the only thing I’ve seen him in BUT HE’S LEGIT AMAZING IT’S SOOO SAF CAUSE THAT PAST TEEN AUDIENCE ARE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE FOUND THE OTHER THINGS HE WAS GOOD IN 😭😭😭
I think all of the films had different directors. Their acting is equally horrible in all of them. I’ve always put it down to Stewart and Pattinson’s well-documented hatred of the material.
But let's not act like Buffy didn't need to go through some major trauma and growth to get to that point. "Angel, when I look into the future, all I see is you. All I want is you." -Buffy Summers, Episode 2x12 Buffy was a badass, but she wasn't above making her relationship with her first love her whole world, the way many teenagers do at one time or another.
@@mayhit But with Buffy even though to begin with after Angel lost his soul and became Angelus again after the "moment of true happiness" sex part of his gypsy curse kicked in she tried to see if there was some part of Angel still in there and when she realised there wasn't after Angelus killed Jenny Calendar she knew she had to kill him. And even after Willow restored Angel's soul Buffy had to send him into the demon dimension portal anyway because since he used his blood to open it as Angelus it had to be used to close it as well. If Bella and Edward were in that same situation Bella would still think Edward was the same even if he murdered her friends, family and classmates and would doom the world.
@@mayhit Yes, but that’s the point. Buffy spent all of season two *learning* the lesson. She grows as a character. Bella never grows until she becomes a vampire and magically becomes assertive.
It's just so funny, that Jasper cannot control himself but goes to a high school... have you ever been to high school? There are people bleeding EVERY SINGLE DAY 😂
I know right?! And not just from stupid things like trying to staple their finger either! At any given time 1/3 of the entire cis female population would be like walking fruit snacks!
However, Bella's blood is supposed to be extra-special and super attractive to Vampires. I mean, that's why Edward looks like he's going to vomit when he first smells her. So obvious, right? :D
@@g.strobl4458 I’m pretty sure Bella’s blood is only that way towards Edward since she’s his bloodsinger. And Jasper was affected by it like that because he can feel Edwards strong aśs emotions💀
I read a comment once on another video and they said Jasper holds his breath in the school and just moves his chest to pretend. And this was a situation where he wasnt prepaired for the sudden smell
I'm also team Bella gets her life together and avoids toxic relationships. As a survivor of domestic violence, the first time I saw a Twilight movie I called Edward out for being an abuser. I told my friends I didn't like the option of having to choose between an abusive controlling stalker and a person with anger issues. Jacob may seem nice but he's still a werewolf who could do some serous damage in a moment of upset emotions.
This reminds me of 17 again, when Zac Efron told his daughter "when your young everything feels like the end of the world but it's not. It's just the beginning." Please react to 17 again. :)
That scene where it's just spinning around Bella and she's catatonic because she's so depressed that an abusive guy left her?? That scene made me burst into tears when I first saw it because it felt like looking at me and made me relive my experience. That's how I was at a point in my life because I WAS in an abusive relationship with a frightening man. I didn't know if I was going to make it out alive and the chronic daily stress living in such a nightmare, being cut off from having friends, and being told how worthless, crazy, and stupid I was, left me without hope or the energy to even want to brush my hair. So I sat and stared because my chest felt like lead and just breathing sometimes was painful. I wanted time to stop because every day I knew I might not live through it and I was terrified of dying. When I got OUT of the abusive relationship, that kind of behavior STOPPED. Having a man yell about how easily he could hurt you or kill you is NOT sexy. While I feel this illustrated severe depression really well and I even used it as a scene behind narration in a video I made on depression, she is more morbidly depressed than she should be for a guy leaving her, especially one that treats her the way Edward does. I mean I think of someone being this depressed who like... had their whole family killed in a car accident. They shouldn't be teaching girls this is normal behavior when a guy dumps you. It can be AWFUL, that's why they call it a broken heart. But going catatonic and ceasing to exist or have your own life?? A bit unhealthy.
I got into an abusive relationship and I was heartbroken because I loved him. I thought he loved me too. He stalked me for months afterwards. I was in college at the time, and living on campus. Thank God for the campus cops. They caught him and he was banned from going on campus. I met my abuser on campus. I didn’t see it at the time, but he was a predator. I was an in confident nineteen-year-old who lacked self-confidence. I was the perfect prey. He groomed me and pretended to love me. We were always on-again, off-again. It was so hard. After a really bad fight, I called a friend and she, along with her boyfriend at the time, came and picked me up from my abuser’s house. I’m so grateful I got away. I still struggle with self confidence. But through therapy, I have learned to recognize red flags in someone. I feel like I have developed a better sense of self since then. It’s been eleven years since I’ve seen him. I live in a completely different t area in a completely different state now. I’m working with my current therapist about my abuser. I am so grateful to be here. My biggest hope is that other people can escape, heal, and recover. Healing is possible.
@@dimitritucker1077 Thanks for sharing your story. I was the perfect prey as well due to having terrible self-confidence. It's so sad that there are sick people out there who pray on damaged or un-confidant people when we all should be helping each other grow and become healthy and independent. I'm so glad you have gained some self-confidence. I met mine on a college campus too and wasn't comfortable leaving him until I moved back home several states away. I was afraid of being stalked as well, and most girls in abusive relationships are killed after leaving the man, because it's all about control and they get angry that they lose it. You deserve to be treated with kindness and caring that helps you become stronger and better every year. You do not deserve to ever be torn down. I hope you keep growing in confidence and in your ability to regain joy and appreciate being free to live your life.
What if you've been traumatized with death and never having parents that loved you. What if you were immediately trauma bonded by getting shot at and then moving to a different state, and were basically homeless and in and out of houses, hotels and the car. all you had was this other person and ignored red flags in each other, used each other. What if their family was abusive and their brother wrote poems about skinning, raping and killing you. what if at rock bottom living in a car and he leaves you after helping you push all your friends away. What if he becomes best friends again with someone that wants to sleep with him and all his posts on facebook are of her tagging him and it looks like she replaced you and He has you blocked on everything but snapchat but you saw his facebook by accident and he lied about being friends with her again. She immedately wants to fight you and all you want is to be more important to him then her but hes taking her advice and telling him to get over you. I feel like shes grooming him for when she leaves her man. Is this response valid for a 21 year old female with this kind of trauma? What should one do in a situation like this. I havent been able to write in years because I keep getting hit with heavy trauma. I do see a therapist and I have a reiki session coming up but I must say its hard to make friends, keep a job and I want to be a normal adult but I literally dated the sleezy version of edward. It was immediately sexual. He says I have to be okay with them being friends but she has a messy track record of cheating and sleeping with taken men. Shes also shown this energy of being possesive of him. He said he wants us to work one day and wants me to respect his boundaries when he doesn't respect mine. Is it a deal breaker? should it be? I'm lost and I don't know what i should do. I've lost a lot of people. I didn't want to lose this one.
@@xowierotten869 I feel for you. I may not have been through each exact thing, but I know a lot of the feelings you express, survival mode, losing everything around you, being made less than someone else by the one you want to love you. Those are really painful and deep emotions there are not quite words to describe. It's shocking how much agony the body can feel when no one is physically harming you. Emotional torture that doesn't leave when the person does. At least if they hit you the pain lasts a few minutes and when they're gone it doesn't happen again. But emotional pain stays with or without them and goes on and on and on. I tried going to your channel to see if I could private message you, but don't see the option. Are you able to click my name and go to "About" and see if there is a way to message me?
I watched New Moon first, knowing enough about Twilight to be ready for it but only my sister and cousin watched the whole thing. I hated Edward instantly, because he PARKED SIDEWAYS ACROSS THREE PARKING SPACES. Instant red flag, no partner of mine will ever do that on purpose.
I love y’all talking about Bella’s actions from a teenager’s perspective as though we don’t all know Stephanie Meyer wrote those scenes with her whole-ass-adult-woman heart 😭
To all those commenting variations of "I read the r*pist instead of therapist hahaha" a) that's not very funny b) please be mindful this channel is called Cinema Therapy and there may well be survivors in the chat/comments today. Thanks.
Isn't this kinda overly sensitive? Should we assume the rape victims can't get any professional help because they get a mental breakdown every time they actually visit a therapy clinic and read its name? Well I believe they can be stronger than that, and I also believe they can speak for themselves and don't need your virtue signaling. I don't see how is this offence-hysteria helping. Although it isn't funny for being overused, I grant you that.
@@alhena11 I understand your argument but as a survivor, it's just easier when not the whole world reminds you of it. Of course you can do whatever you want but if you don't have to do it, just don't. 🙊
@alhena11 I don't think that it's overly sensitive, mainly because it isn't very funny (as you said), so where is the harm in cutting it out? And also that this channel is discussing mental issues, so there will probably be a higher number of survivors than on the average channel which in turn means that it would probably be nice to have a kind of safe space in the comment section. Just because people might be triggered by jokes like that does not mean that they haven't gone through or aren't going through therapy. They will probably be confronted enough with their triggers in their daily lives, I don't think it would be necessary to expand that experience to this comment section
Getting over a manipulative narcissist actually feels exactly how Bella enacted it. The numbness, screaming, and retreating from friends. If anything was portrayed well it was the physical reenactment of her heart through the breakup.
@@MM-og3qz ha right? I literally had no hope of ever getting my livelihood back... I was a very hopeful person and he almost destroyed my spirit; luckily as dumb as it was getting involved with him I still had a little brain power to recognize I needed to get out.
As someone going through a heartbreak right now, where all I can focus on is the pain of feeling unwanted or wondering what i could have done differently to get them to want me the same way, and honestly turning to unhealthy coping mechanisms to “feel better” I really, deeply, truly needed to hear the words “If someone breaks your heart, I promise you your life is worth more than that” and “It’ll grow back” Thanks Jonathan and Alan. Yall are the best.
I re-read Twilight out of curiosity because when I was younger I was obsessed with Edward... I was surprised how disgusting I found him. I was enjoying Jacob a lot in New Moon... But of course, she had to make him even worse than Edward... We couldn't have him overshadowing him... Pretty bad books. It's curious how she then wrote The Host which I like much better
When this movie came out my friend and I made shirts that had a picture of Robert as Diggory that read “Team Cedric”. We went to the movie for the glares and eye rolls from the twilight fans. Best money I ever spent as a teenager.
Twilight fans are some of the easiest to piss off. Most fanbases can take criticism of a series. Twilight fans act like you've committed high treason for even implying it's not the most perfect thing ever.
I feel like Bella is bland Yogurt and Edward is the spoon. When Edward's around she gets stirred but she's still bland yogurt, because there is not fruit at the bottom.
Watching this in Corona isolation. And the part where "Edward hurts people to protect them" is so cruel. My ex did the same to me. He told me on Christmas day that he had cheated on me (ldr). Naturally I broke up with him. Months later he got in contact and told me it wasn't true and he had only done it to "burn himself for me" because he didn't know where in the world he would be stationed from work. I've always hated the "it's better if you hate me" trope and having it happening to me felt like an insanely bad movie! Love your videos guys! Very insightful and funny! Edit: Oh also, even when I read New Moon at seventeen I hated it because it just felt so wrong. Of course I wasn't aware why it felt that way. A decade later it made sense
Also three eps into this, but I wonder if you can trace Bella's clingy behavior to her parents, in particular her absentee mother who basically sent Bella away so she could chase her baseball player boyfriend. I also wonder if the years apart from her father developed a form of "daddy issues" which pushes her towards an older (much older) man who treats her a certain way.
That would make sense. Also, Charlie is notoriously emotionally constipated. So Bella got her mother's dependency and Charlie's inability for healthy emotional interactions. That added to her bandonment issues and we have a perfect storm!
Can I just say, Charlie really pissed me off as well. Like Jacob kisses his daughter (And she OBVIOUSLY didn't consent considering she literally broke her hand punching him in the face afterwards) and his response is to give the guy a pat on the back? Oh, and he literally asked Jacob if he wanted to PRESS CHARGES AGAINST BELLA. That's just fucked up dude.
Right! Up until then he was one the very few decent characters. He was the only that was actually aware of how unhealthy Bella and Edward's relationship was, but then Meyer ruined it by siding with Jacob after he assaulted his daughter... and he's supposed to be a *police officer!*
That part really pissed me off! I was like "Charlie no!" I think the only decent person is Carlisle but even then, his enabling of Edward is questionable. How did he even allow Edward to get involved with Bella? It's really depressing that we learn in Midnight Sun the other Cullens blamed BELLA FOR EXISTING and were totally okay with the idea of Edward killing her, so long as their lives weren't disrupted. Like, excuse me??? The 17 year old girl is to blame for literally showing up to school???
@@lilscenechick1995 Carlisle and Esme aren't great either. They welcome Bella like a daughter, then leave without a goodbye because their moronic son told them to, which to a teenager can feel like being thrown away like worthless trash. And they don't apologize for it! And they never at any point check their son's behavior
i remember when i got to Breaking Dawn and it explained Jacob's attraction to Bella... actually, i was like "OMG, so Jacob was LITERALLY attracted to her OVARIES." under that argument though, he should have at least felt some mild attraction to Edward at some point.
fortunately the author clarified that he's drawn to the fetus of baby renaissance, not the egg that would become baby renegade, so a little less creepy but still a gross plot line she did not need to include 🤢 honestly baby rasputin should never have existed at all...
Appreciate the fact that Jacob is named "wolfy" in the subtitles 😂 Also that part of the emo crap "You're never gonna fix me" acted by Alan was h i l a r i o u s
“He feels bad for pushing her across the room and into a wall and through glass. They’ve heard that a lot in the emergency room.” Going for the throat on this one
Abusive behaviour at its peak
So true
@@ellie1729 being a vampire means u gotta be abusive?? since when tho 👀
@@lady_raineidv9297 ...yes, actually.
It helps to not think too hard about this series, mostly because it is trash.
@@ellie1729 After a hundred years? So he's neglectful. It's still abuse. Not to mention he's able to have sex with her without hurting her, so he can control his strength. Hell, he didn't even have to push her. He should have just moved in front of her to shield her.
When I was 12 I was team Edward. 10 years later I'm team Charlie. Love that man.
We actually ADORE Charlie around here. He's the only character that makes any damn sense.
I agree! He was always my favorite character. Bella treated him not how he deserved it 😢
YESSS!
I feel like Charlie should have insisted that Bella go to therapy, what with all the screaming and depressive staring out of the window
Charlie is the only person I could actually stand watching during Twilight lmao this man deserves the best
*"Just 'cause he's nice to her doesn't mean she has to choose him"*
Unfortunately, this where Charlie fails Bella. She makes it clear she's not interested and he keeps cheering Jacob on.
The third book seemed like it was there to convince everyone that Team Edward was the best choice by assassinating the characters of both Charlie and Jacob. Like the author was punishing anyone who dared stray from the intended path.
Seriously - guys that complain about the "friend zone" are usually kinda douches. They think because they're nice to a woman that she owes him sex and a relationship. It's part of a BS "nice guy" narrative that's based on what, exactly? Because you're not as dickish as Joe Football? Please.
When he said that I was like, YES!! YES THANK YOU FOR SOMEONE SAYING THAT!
Once again, louder, for the people in the back!
**"Just cuz' he's nice to her doesn't mean she has to choose him"**
*16-year-old me reading the books: Team Jacob!*
*17-year-old me watching the movies: Team Jacob!*
*30-year-old me now: TEAM THERAPY!*
I remember being about 19 and reading the Hunger Games books. They were really great, and then I brought it up to a coworker at a freelance job and she said, "So team Peeta or team Gale?" I was like, "What??" Turned out most everyone reading the books were enjoying the story for a perceived love triangle, which is exactly what Panem was into. Not crapping on anyone who enjoyed the relationships in that series, but from my perspective it was like 5% of Katniss' actual wants. Whatever conflicting feelings she had about them (mostly Peeta), it seemed like she was just trying to not die and win the day. There's a romantic element as part of the subplot, sure, but I just never understood how people took it as an actual romance.
ive always been team edward
@@wherefancytakesme Right?? To my understanding, Katniss never had romantic feelings for _either_ of them, and really only started loving Peeta that way when they talked more, and went through hardships together, and were there for each other. Y'know, when they actually started building a relationship? I don't think she ever had romantic feelings for Gale; her kisses and connections with him were to make him feel better, like it was initially with Peeta (although that was additionally for show). Obviously Peeta and Gale both liked and loved Katniss, but for it to be a love triangle (or more so a love corner) the feeling needs to be mutual, hence the line drawn between two characters in that diagram.
(If people like Gale x Katniss that's chill, but I don't see how that was a love triangle)
If I was a teenager during Twilight-mania, I totally would have been all over one or the other. Glad I grew up after it was widely recognized how awful Edward and Jacob are lol
Adult me now: Team Charlie *alexa play careless whispers*
Robert Pattison purposely made himself look constipated & stoned because he hated Edward so much. Which is pretty funny.
too bad he made so much money with it that he forced himself to make even more money with playing the role xoxo
Yeah, stuck in a contract he was, and he made the best of it, had to, but since then he's done amazing roles to show that he's a serious actor.
Based on..?
I once saw this thing that said no one hates the Twilight movies more than Robert Pattinson, and I still think that is true to this day. I find it hilarious
@@MademoiselleCl3 I saw a bunch of interviews (compiled) the other day when he was trash-talking Twilight, Stephanie Meyers, Bella, Edward...even let spoilers slip lol. I'm surprised he kept his job!
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Robert Pattinson looks like he’s in pain every time he delivers a line, because he hates the script 😂
He should’ve quit the movies, but he was probably stuck in a contract
they actually told him to act more broody. He was almost fired because he wasn't angsty enough
@@briannalee1998 I'm almost sure he said that he regretted being a part of it
To bad he died in Harry Potter☹️
He said spider-monkey to a person with a straight face, respect.
I'm Team 'Bella gets her life together, goes to therapy, figures out her trauma and self destructive behavior, and doesn't get married until after college, to a human, after she figured herself out'
We need a fanfiction like that
So am I.
YES. Thank you.
Well sign me up for that team
Diagnosis: an hour long tea-session with Uncle Iroh!
I’m surprised Charlie didn’t try to take Bella to therapy or find out what Edward “did” to her. If my daughter was screaming murder almost every night I would think that piece of shit did something monstrous to my daughter. Not gonna lie, Edward and Jacob both made my skin crawl, they were so problematic for me.
Absolutely!
And also, as a parent, I would NOT just roll with it if my daughter later is like "We're back together, everything's fine now."
especially when after she gets lost in the woods! she clearly isn’t ok, she’s having a trauma response to a bit dumping her! i would drive her straight to therapy!
Bruuuh same! And he's a COP so assuming the worst should be his default ...
I wouldn't say he would "send her to therapy" because the book was written in like 2005 & it wasn't as trendy to see therapy then plus generally gen X parents were taught therapy is seeing a "shrink" with all the negative connotations that come with that word (or so I have been told).
But I'd be so pissed if I was Charlie like his behavior made sense up until Bella showed up with a broken hand because she tried to punch Jacob off her and then Charlie congratulated Jacob...
It felt ooc for Charlie if he's supposed to be a decent dad.... I would have killed Jacob too at that point.
In short I agree with your comment! ♥️
Actually, Charlie is the healthiest person in this whole series.
They're all horrible, Bella is just as abusive as they are, the way she threatens to endanger herself because Edward left her and how she leads Jacob on even tough she knows she doesn't like him.
Edward’s logic in throwing Bella back into the table is similar to the “I almost dropped my phone onto the soft, plush carpet, but thank God my reflexes kicked in and I smacked it into the wall instead” meme.
yeah... My thoughts watching that scene (and I think something similar happened in the book too) was "Oh yeah lets just shove your girlfriend into a wall, hitting a little table filled with glass shit and make it all 1000 times worse." lol
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Oh, my god! I love Twilight, like genuinely love it. It is the saga that got me into reading and not giving up after eight pages in other books. But I am reading your comment and laughing so hard because it is so true and like the comparison is so neat and I've done that myself. Peace and love!
YOU’RE SO RIGHT
He literally could have grabbed her gently and super speed to her house or sum
Movie: "Edward" and "Jacob"
Video captions: "Sparkly" and "Wolfy"
Splendid.
Omg yes
XD
Don’t forgot... Bella: *Mumbly Mumble Mumbling*
@@jasminegillani7604 *Miss Monotone
I refuse to call edward sparkly. It's too similiar to Thor's 'sparkles'. And too nice/cute.
"You've got to be able to swim on your own, or you'll end up clinging onto whatever slimy piece of driftwood floats by"
Stealing that!
Steal away! If you end up telling people about our channel in the process...
@@CinemaTherapyShow the world is full of broke ass people who need therapy so hell yes lol
I'm stealing it too! It's perfect!!!
This is the type of good mental health/relationship message that needs to be on merch. Just sayin' 😉
@@CinemaTherapyShow See, THAT is the problem with Bella as a character: She is SO DEPENDANT on Edward, that she has *NEVER* learned to "swim on (her) own." The only time she actually DOES do this, is in Part 2 of Breaking Dawn.
Bella: I have no one to talk to, I'm lost
Charlie, her friend group, and every professional therapist in America: am I a joke to you?
He is a vampire; who will understand why he left - and why it is paining her - if they don’t know that. She can’t exactly tell them that, without them thinking she is crazy, she might even end up in a mental hospital if that happens.
Well as someone who has childhood somewhat samd as Bella I can tell that I was even afraid of having friends. Cause you always fear if you get friends or bf/gf like your parents. And then self defence kicks in and even if we have friends after some time you started to go away from them into your misery again. And that's because mind is so messed up from childhood and this problem can't be solved just in days or months. People like us took so much time to heal from that years of trauma. And I was only lucky that I was undesirable and had trust issues which kept me away from red flags when I was a teenager but most of teenage girls such as Bella are not lucky. And they find another damaged people like them just so they would be understood. I mean I literally had two friends who had problem with their father just as me. And only found peace with them until I got how we are just not compatible with each other accept common mommy & daddy issues. So we are not that close friends anymore.
this is relatable
Seriously gives the message that as soon as you turn high school age, shun your dad, put your entire self-worth and existence on a guy you just met
@@Gigi.waves44maybe she needs it
What I HATE about some Young Adult novels are exactly this: the protagonist is an empty shell and their personality trait is "I'm in love with this person"
This trope must die. Twilight flooded the market with those.
This. Isn't. Love.
The thing I really loathed about this is it was all about Edward, and Bella was basically an empty vessel into which the reader inserts themselves.
young adult novels are super trash anyway but there is probably nothing worse than dystopian young adult novels. like hunger games. I dont know why everyone went bonkers over hunger games, its such absolute trash. yet another dumb protag without any personality and kids managing to dismantle governments.
I would rather make them read 1984.
Yes! It's so tiring to see so many YA female protagonists have their whole character arc being about "I love this person, I'm nothing without them, and nothing else can complete me". So many YA books start off as a fiction story with romance on the side and become a romance story with fiction on the side. There's little to no variation from that in the YA novel market
I highly advise you to read the book instead of basing your comment on the movie, because in the book that is not her personality, so I it’s the movies fault not the novel. Although I do agree that they portrayed depression in a awful way, because Bella only overcame it when she got back together with Edward. But it is a fantasy book with vampires and werewolf’s. I wouldn’t base of my relationships on this novel or movie
And this is why I don't read Twilight when I was young because it is disturbing and boring therefore I watched good anime that shows good relationships
edward's logic: oh no! my gf got a papercut! i must protect her from big bad vampire by t h r o w i n g h e r a g a i n s t a w a l l a n d b r e a k i n g e v e r y b o n e i n h e r b o d y I'm such a good boyfriend!
Edward: How am I gonna get her out of the way of my bloodthirsty adopted brother? I'll knock her into a glass table where the glass will cut her, make her bleed even more and make him even more eager to drink from her. I'm such a genius and good boyfriend.
And possibly making her bleed more Wich will make the rest of the vampires go crazy
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to be fair that was an accident .. He was trying to get between them but because of his own strength he accidentally shoved her too hard
@@lunawolfheart336 Things is the others have more control... the one that was going crazy was the newest family member and he's still learning control
“What do you think you have most in common with Edward Cullen?”
Robert Pattinson: “I look a bit like him?”
Oh thank goodness!
@Anonymus X that's why I feel bad everyone is mad about "the Twilight guy doing batman". I'm sure he'd rather be known as Cedric Diggory
I love him.
I heard he intentionally used those expressions during acting because he hated Twilight. Or his character. So when they're talking about him looking constipated in this video, I was just like, "Yep, that was the point."
@@gillianlemke1546 I only knew him as Cedric until this video.
Jacob: *nice, gets clingy as hell near the end because sloppy writing, doesn't get the girl*
Edward: *is literally abusive to the point he breaks Bella to where she can't stand not being around him, and is older than most people will ever grow to be, gets the girl*
Alice: *literally the only person close to Bella who's good to her in literally every sense*
So, can we get a team Alice and Therapy?
I don't think there's enough Alice in the movies for that 😭
I don't really remember but believe what Rosalie had pretty healthy view on relationship too.
@@eg-draw Yes! I remember Rosalie explaining her relationship with Royce King and it broke my heart, but you can tell that she learned a lot from it and from being with Emmett. She doesn't want to be stuck in the same place, but their relationship is more of a partnership than an emotional co-dependency. She wanted to grow old with someone who loves her and that was taken from her. I feel so much for Rosalie and really wish there could be a separate novel or something of the sort explaining her story.
I mean, in the book from Edward's perspective, Alice says she saw a future where her and Bella got together
Alice is really manipulative. Out of all the characters she is the one I'm least comfortable with. Carlisle and rosaline seem the most balanced
"They've heard that alot in the ER." Why, Yes. Yes we have.
That really hit me. I'm in the fortunate position to not have an abusive boyfriend/girlfriend but just imagining that people go to ER because of their spouse, they trust and love is just so saddening.
@@revi6482 I was in that situation. I didn't trust nor love the man who almost killed me. It was fear. Fear of being nothing attracted me to him, fear of him kept me there.
@@lalaithan I’m sorry to hear that. But I’m happy that you’re still here and I hope you’re doing better.
thank you, ER and hospital workers, for being there for everyone
Yes. I like how he pointed out abusers can feel remorse, but that doesn’t make it okay, he’s still an abuser.
"He feels bad for pushing her across the room, into a wall and through glass. They've heard that a lot at the emergency room." This made my heart sank...
I think it’s sarcastic? Idk
It's sarcasm, dear. If someone actually reported that, medical professionals would be obligated to contact some domestic abuse type of organization.
@@hayleybartek8643 He's not really being sarcastic- he knows for a fact that the abusers feel bad after doing these things. And yes, the emergency room would probably call someone about this.
@Jabroniville The abusers don't feel bad, the abuse victims just think they do because their desire for the abusers "love" and fear from the violence is the one thing that binds them to the relationship. "He didn't mean to..." and "It was my fault/I shouldn't have..." Is one of the most common phases uttered by victims of abuse, even to professionals. Icing on the cake? Domestic abuse laws are still archaic. Unless the victim agrees to press charges or the assault happens Infront of witnesses, no one can do a damn thing about it. You could literally listen to your neighbor beat the shit out of their significant other, report it, even record evidence and unless the victim decides press charges,.you get to hear it all over again and potentially worse considering the abuser would blame the victim for the cops being called.
@@RiveroftheWither Some abusers could just be saying that phrase to their victim in the emergency room because they want the victim to think they regret it and come crawling back into their arms. I also wouldn't put it past an abuser to say shit like this in public so people think they're NOT abusive and think they genuinely care about the victim and just "acted out in a fit of anger this one time."
But some abusers DO feel bad about the pain they cause, just in a sick twisted way like "How could you make me hurt you? Hurting you makes me feel like the bad guy! This hurts me more than it hurts you" kinda way. So they can still say they felt bad and mean it, they just don't feel bad about the correct things.
"This is just so emo and emotionless at the same time."
You just summarized the whole 5 movies in one line. 🤣
As the resident emo kid, this also made me burst out laughing.
And is a perfect description of this movie
*whole
Sorry
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. Thanks, autocorrect.
THERE ARE FIVE OF THESE!?!
@Daniel DC Yes. Four books. A movie for each of the first 3, and 2 for the last.
"You have to be able to swim on your own, otherwise you gonna grab ahold of whatever slimy piece of driftwood comes floating by"
Great metaphor!
"Jacob is the good thing for her. And she's like, 'I just want it to be Edward.' And that's the thing about abusive relationships, they want the abusive partner to become the good partner and they hold on to the tiny exceptions, to the good moments, and hope for the future, instead of saying: 'Maybe I should just go with somebody who's already got their act together."
Oh man. Why did I have to learn all this the hard way.
Peace. The way my dad explains relationships (using it broadly), particularly the choices/decisions/actions people make in those interactions is: "You pay for lessons with experience." I feel the same way as you. In my situation, I think it was best that I learned it earlier so that when I am met with similar choices &/or people, I can make better decisions based off of the experience & lessons I have gained and went though. Good and bad. I hope this helps and that you remember this quote as well, "Don't beat yourself up as if you lived life twice." Peace.
I feel you 100%.
The heart wants what the heart wants. The Bible calls the heart deceptive.
'Cause this sells more than life lessons?
I feel that Jacob is just as toxic as Edward is for Bella. But that's just me
90% of book/movie relationships can be solved by a single conversation
@ellatheravenclaw While watching a movie, my 12 year old daughter mentioned this the other day and I have to say that was a very proud moment for me. :)
@@logicandlaughs your child is amazing
This is literally a thing that happens in Sword Art Online Abridged, and its hilarious.
Exactly! So, so, SO many romantic plots hinge on the sole fact that people aren't having a simple conversation they should be having. It's not just that that conversation would make the movie better, it would completely negate the need for the entire movie to even exist. And it's so sad, because movies are what we grow up with and what we learn from, so no one is learning healthy coping mechanisms or healthy conversational skills from them and we often have to learn those from a therapist. It should be common sense and basic knowledge. It would ruin the entire film industry, perhaps, but still.
I have severe difficulty finding movies that I like because I just get frustrated if the obstacles are all caused by two people not talking. I can't feel tension in an action scene that hinges on someone taking an inordinately large amount of time to say something that could've been said in a sentence. Like "don't go that way! You have to trust me!", which should have been "there's a bomb there!", done.
And prevented
Bella had friends before she started dating Edward. She was so dependent on him for validation and her sense of self that she pretty much isolated herself from them in order to be with him 24/7.
These people wanted to be her friends, the welcomed her to the school, included her at their lunch table, engaged her with interests and conversation and Bella tossed it aside like it was nothing.
Yeah, it’s hard for me to sympathize when she self sabotaged over and over again. She was the reason all of these terrible things are happening.
I've been called out
She's abusing herself
Those nice people could not give her what she wanted vampire powers
@@BobRevolver who needs vampire powers when you have *✨the power of friendship✨*
I'm going to defend Bella's treatment of Jacob here. I got accused of "leading guys on" in highschool for being friends with them and then not wanting to date them. You go very quickly from a little kid who can be friends with any other little kid to the expectation being that hanging out with boys has a romantic connotation. And I think too many men think that niceness gives them the right to the girl, when that just isn't true.
I think in Bella's case, since she knew about his feelings and knew she had no plans to date him, she should have had a conversation with him about what this relationship is to her and explain that she just wants to be friends with him.
All the problems in your case would be solved if you just clarified that you're not looking for romantic relationship.
In Bella's case she knew what feelings jacob had, she only didn't care. Bella should've made it clear that he needs to stop pursuing her because it won't go further than friends.
Bella didn’t tell Jacob about her feelings however she did know about his
@@hadley_mcdonald Didn't she tell him that in the books? It's been like 15 years since I read them.
@@pcbassoon3892 I didn't read them, I've only seen the movies so that's what I'm making my statement on
I never realized that besides the relationship, Bella really is a blank. We know she likes to read, but we don’t know her favorite books, she doesn’t have a favorite food, hobby, or anything like that.
Bella is supposed to be a blank slate because Stephanie Meyer wrote herself a fanfic about a wet dream she had one time.
Well, in the book she's an annoying, stuck up bitch. Luckily that doesn't really translate into the movies
This ended up being shared in quite the infodump in Midnight Sun, in case you're curious.
@@canvas_125 I get her starting out that way, but if your going to commit to a novel, with sequels you should really be layering in some personality here and there.
@@Midhiel i got Midnight Sun as a free audible and it was a struggle to get through. I really am not a audio book person so i missed a bunch of what was in there.
“He doesn’t respect her enough to be straight with her” “once again, Edward making decisions for what’s best for Bella, without Bella being in the loop”
YES
Am I a bad person for thinking "But he DOES respect her enough to be GAY with her!" 😅😂
@@amyturner2034 maybe Edward is gay and thats the reason he is being like this? 🤔😅
"So emo and emotionless at the same time." You summed up the entire series in one sentence, thank you!
Yeah, I didn't think it was possible to be emotional and emotionless at the same time but Bella managed it.
The whole plot of New Moon is based on a paper cut. Bella cuts her finger, and everything that happens after just convinces Edward that he needs to leave to keep her safe which is the reason everything else in the movie happens. So in the end, it was all because of a paper cut.
Jesus Christ, how did Ed react whenever Bella had her PERIOD! Staking himself to the floor?
Wanda, we’re NOT THAT lucky.
we should call the movie paper cut instead
*linkin park plays in the background*
@@wandanemer2630Now that I think about it, I am also wondering how he controls himself during her periods.
Scratch that, how do ANY of these vampires control themselves around a woman in her periods?
Imagine a cool Bella who wants to become a mechanic and upgrades her truck in free time. Give her something different beside the “romance”. It’s ok when she is clumsy, but by only adding a hobby, she gets much more personality
In one script she was a track star who becomes a vampire hunter and is eventually turned into a vampire. But Meyer demanded the film be more like the book.
@@Xehanort10 why can't we live in the universe where that script was the movie?? That's so much more interesting. Would have at least gotten a decent enemies to lovers story
@@gio-ve7vn Yeah. Instead we got "Bella's a helpless damsel who constantly has to be saved by Edward and is obsessed with and dependent on him."
@@Xehanort10 ugh right. Where's the fanfic with that script? I need it.
Her hobby is meant to be that she likes reading classic literature. But, yeah, it doesn't feature much because she mostly just abandons everything about herself in order to make her whole self all about Edward. >__
"You need to learn how to swim, otherwise you´re gonna grab on to which ever slimy piece of driftwood floats by." - Cinema Therapy... this quote made me share this clip among my friends.
"You've got to be able to swim on your own otherwise you're going to cling on to any piece of slimy driftwood that's passing by"
WOW
nice metaphor!
Disturbingly accurate
I can't swim.🥲
@@lollyrebekah7602 can’t swim gangg
But... I can't swim. I know how I just can't do it
A friend who struggles with depression told me that, despite the dumb reason Bella got depressed, the chapters that are just the month and nothing else are a really good representation what its like to be in the midst of depression. Time just slips away, and you're not conscious of the world around you anymore.
It recontextualised it for me, most times people make fun of that moment, but, its actually a really clever way to portray the time skip
Makes sense.
I'm really glad someone said this. I went through this after my first break up (at 19) and the book New Moon (a decade later) was the first time I felt like someone understood how I felt.
Bellas reaction to her boyfriend breaking up with her is literally the same like Katniss' (Hunger Games) reaction to surviving two Hunger Games and a Civil War, and loosing practically everything and everyone she ever loved. Think about that.
Edit: In the comments on this comment there are some users who share their own experiences with situations like the one Bella is in. I recommend everyone who happens to see this commend to read them, I personally feel like Bellas reaction now seems way more understandable.
And the latter is more of an understandable reaction than the former.
Katniss at least had a circumstance. This woman is very very weird.
Honestly so true. And Katniss' reaction actually seemed realistic. Like, the amount of trauma she went through is unbelievable.
@@ChrisPargon this! the worst of it is, that the traumatized reaction is the reflection of "I am nothing without this dude, might as well die" by Bella. I mean, gurl, you only got left by some toxic dude, got traumatized by him cause wow, he was threatening in a serial killer way and you went along. I get the night terrors, but wow.
@@chaosgoettin Ya true. And there can be depression after someone leaves you, but she's sooooo dramatic about it. 🙄
"your wig is bleeding" is honestly the best insult. It's beautiful
They glued the lace front down with her vein juice.
But inaccurate. She isn't wearing a wig in this movie, that's her real hair. She started wearing a wig in Eclipse after she cut her hair short for The Runaways movie.
At least in the book the shrieking makes more sense; she keeps having recurring nightmares about being attacked by vampires and werewolves. But including the shrieking in the movie without any explanation was a bad move on the filmmakers' part.
I was just thinking that would make more sense! The Cullens left now all that trauma from James and her own humanity and vulnerability is coming up. Much more understandable and realistic
@@siwal1907 omg yes imagine going through what she did with James and your so called protectors just left you
While it would make sense for Bella to have nightmares about vampires and werewolves now that her safety net is gone, her nightmares in the books were all about Edward being gone. And while the audience can infer that she has PTSD from the events of the previous book, I honestly don't think the author intended for Bella to have PTSD from anything other than Edward leaving. It's open to interpretation, but that's my opinion
it honestly made sense to me because when i was dealing with PTSD i would wake up screaming all the time but i totally forgot that her dreams were about that!! thank you though
@@leigh-anjohnson yeah i interpreted it as some sort of PTSD/deep depression bc when i was dealing with PTSD i would scream in my sleep and my boyfriend would have to shake me awake. but obviously im projecting my experience onto bella lol
I was the abused teen girl thrown across the room, in the emergency room, and yeah, it’s tragic when it happens to people. But that’s also one of the reasons these books make me SO mad, why I banned them from my classroom, etc. Because Bella doesn’t leave, Edward is rewarded for his bad behaviour repeatedly, no one has ISSUES with any of this, and it’s all portrayed as natural, normal, and romantic. It’s. Not. So yeah, no, if this had been a horror story fine, but it’s not and roast away. Do everything possible to discourage the normalization of abuse.
A far better reason to ban a book from the classroom than any other reason I've heard so far
@@cairrean2412 To be fair, I used to give classes a choice when I saw people reading the book: either they remove the book and conversation about it from class (and that means no homework topics on it either) OR I pick one week’s lecture to replace with a discussion about the series, it’s red flags, why what it shows is harmful, etc. If classes voted for the latter, I’d allow scholarly work on the series - but only if it was serious.
In the time I taught, I had a pretty even split of classes opt to ban vs discuss the book. The only class I didn’t give the option was my teen summer camp kids (Center for Talented Youth/Hopkins). They got a ban on the book in class AND the lecture - but that mostly reflected the fact they were teens and our classes were 8-12 hour days, and I didn’t want the book around during lunch or breaks. And I did want to teach them it wasn’t a good thing to idolize. Got a lot of parents thanking me for that one.
@@khills I personally don't like the idea of banning books but I like that you give them a choice on whether to ban the book or to have it be a part of the lesson plans.
Honestly, I like the option to turn it into a lesson/lecture. It's a great way to teach kids to be critical of what they read and to address more serious topics in a way that makes it understandable/relatable.
I didn't read the Twilight books until I was a young adult (I was 22 when I read all 4 books for the first time... my friends had already read the books and insisted I read at least the first book before I watch the movie. I managed to read the first 3 books before the first movie premiered... I didn't have the money to buy the last book until after I had seen the first movie in theatres). Personally, as an adult, I loved the books. It took me 3 days to finish the first one, 2 days to finish the 2nd book, 12 hours to finish the 3rd book, and only 9 hours to finish the 4th book. But as an adult, I was able to enjoy the story while recognizing that in reality, taking away the supernatural elements (if the characters were all humans), that the relationship between Bella and Edward is definately co-dependent, toxic, and not "Hashtag Relationship Goals".
As an adult I am able to appreciate the fantasy and keep it separate from reality. The reality being that you should never be that dependent on another person where they become your entire world, forsaking friends and family in the name of "love." There is a difference between love and obsession/infatuation. Bella's actions when Edward and his family leave are dangerous and self-destructive. She puts herself in dangerous situations in hopes to hear/see Edward in her mind... Which taken out of fantasy, in reality that could be the thrill seeking, high risk situations that Bella does or it could be self-harm, which is just as dangerous and high risk behavior as what Bella does in the books/movies. And Edward's behavior is controlling and manipulative. He does some really fucked up things, treating Bella like trash and justifies it by saying he was trying to "protect her." And nobody should be breaking into your bedroom (or even peeping at the window) to watch you sleep at night... that's not romantic... that's creepy, stalkery, and criminal behavior.
However, for young kids (pre-teens/teenagers included in that) who don't have the life experience that adults do, who still have young brains that are still learning and developing, it can be difficult to separate reality from fiction and it's easier for kids to idolize and imitate that which they watch and read in media. I think it's a good thing to teach children how to be critical of the things they read, both fiction and non-fiction alike (because it's important to be critical of news sources and to recognize biases in the media when analyzing information).
I also think it's an important lesson to teach children (pre-teens/teens) the difference between fantasy and reality. They need to be taught that what is acceptable in a fantasy world is not always acceptable in reality. How else will children (pre-teens/teens) learn what the "red flags" are if nobody takes the time to point them out? And what better way to do so than to look at fictional characters' choices/behaviors and discuss why those choices/behaviors were good or bad? I think those sorts of discussions done in the "safe space" of a classroom are critical to a child's (pre-teen/teen) learning and development so that they can take what they learn in the classroom and hopefully apply it to their real lives and future relationships so that they can recognize the red flags in real relationships early before they get in too deep and are able to walk away from a bad relationship.
@@captsparrowslady Yeah, like I said, the only class I didn't give the choice was my teen group of smartiepants. They got the lecture on /why/ I was banning the books, and I allowed the girl who asked to make it her final project to do so, but I absolutely was not going to have them in my classroom for 8-12hrs a day, 6 days a week. For one, those classes have to move at a fast pace because they're actually academic courses and you only have the kids for six (very intense) weeks, so I didn't want the distraction. But also because of the intensity of the space-summer camp, away from home, long hours in the classroom-I could see a situation where the intensity actually amped up the attachment to the teen romance of it all (teens and forbidden love/Romeo and Juliet, what even is that), and I didn't want to end up with that situation in my lap.
We all have those cultural things that mean a lot to use because they happened at a time of high emotion (one of mine, funnily enough, is Buffy the Vampire Slayer), and I was okay with minimizing the chance the kids would form that attachment to the Twilight series.
Hope you're doing well, God bless you!
These videos explaining abusive relationships with examples from Twilight should be mandatory in schools. It would save lives, I'm telling you.
Not to mention saying to teenage girls, "You know those movies you've been fawning over? Yeah, they're horrible. Here's why."
Advice from a girl that had her heart broken at the age of 17, who also lost her friend over the breakup: the princess bride, M&Ms and fluffy blankets make things better. Pillows are our best friends, pijamas are a must. School is important, so focus on your work. Soon enough, you’ll be whole again.
Alternatively, power metal, an oversized hoodie, ungodly amounts of your favorite ice cream and video games. Blankets are amazing, especially if you're sitting on an armchair.
Go for a walk, at least for a few minutes everyday, because fresh air tires you out and will lighten your mood a bit. If you're too distraught to get anything done, it's okay to take a break, just be sure to get back in the saddle after a day or two.
I agree with you both and would like to add: sweatpants, hot chocolate, a bed and freshly baked cookies.
@@excessivelyfangirlingbookw3339 And I would also like to add, canned soup, ramen noodles, spending time with animals, comic books, funny memes, and Disney movies.
Badass music, cute makeup, comfy socks, video games and walkthroughs and lots of slasher flicks. XD
@@susanoverbay8119 definitely :D
I liked how her dad was never uncomfortable to confort her at all times. He was very caring, and gentle to her and a good support. We all need a dad like charlie lol.
Unfortunately book Charlie was not like movie Charlie
My dad actually says that he strives to be like Charley at any moment possible (he was both joking and sorta serious)
he should have taken her to therapy tho, not just comfort her when she has nightmares
He seemed pretty negligent not getting her help and relying on her to maintain the household.
charlie is the twilight mvp
I blamed myself the past 8 months for my last relationship, your advice showed me I was being controlled. I don't know how to thank you, but I'm so happy I found you.
I know this is months later, but just want to say I'm glad you're in a better place and not dealing with that relationship any more. Wishing you the best for the future!
Kristen Stewart can definitely act, so I'm inclined to view her portrayal as taking a character written like garbage and playing it exactly as written.
Even though I used to be a big fan I have to agree with you, I honestly thought after watching the movies that she couldn't act until I saw her in other movies
It is true Bella was badly written, but on purpose. Because Stephenie Meyer kind of explained that she made Bella mostly blank so the reader could somewhat insert themselves as that character. It's a hit or miss technique depending on how the reader sees it. To teens during the Twilight Era like myself at the time, it was a success. To now adults we're like "Ew..." Lol
@@amandafox8603 so Kristen Stewart was playing y/n
@@amandafox8603 kinda sick that Stephanie wanted teens to insert themselves into an abusive relationship. ._.
@@ayarriba9093 Yeah if it were real life. It's kind of the usual though and you get used to it when you read dark supernatural romance. Where it's like Jacob for example, possessive because of the Alpha wolf gene going on. Vampires in whatever folklore (kind of mentioned in twilight with hunting grounds) are territorial and so would also be over their mate/partner. Since, Edward sees Bella as that... Yeah.
Real life with that behavior: Very bad
In fiction: Anything goes.
When she lived with her mom, she lived for her mom, acting as a parent. When she moved in with her dad she just did the same kind of things, because that's all she knew. That's the only kind of relationships and life she had had for years. I mean even moving in with her dad was all for her mom. Which is probably largely why she has no real sense of self. She never had or took that time to figure out who she was on her own without a heavily dependent relationship. She was starting to foster connections and figure out who she was, while living with Charlie. She was starting to learn more about Charlie and some friends at school, but then Edward just barreled into her life. And she stopped nurturing those connections, she actually mostly cut herself off from them because everything became about Edward.
That's a very fair point. It seems to me like Bella was a solitary person who had no idea of how to relate with others and she couldn't experience enough so as to know or develop herself. Also if her mother was all immature and she learnt to do the parenting that also explains a lot. She has no real purpose beyond her love story
@@fatbitch7168 yes! She had no real purpose besides her love story, & never grew into her own identity at all. It’s very sad. Tbh I think Stephenie Meyer is similar in that way, & struggled develop her own identity, I believe in part due to the fundamentalist religion she grew up in. The Twilight series is not really a good message for solo teen readers bc there is no resolution, solution, or any self awareness of this lack of purpose - from either Bella or the author herself. I think the series is best for teens when read or watched along with adults like this therapist, a parent, or other adult who can point out the harmful, destructive behaviors and how to fix them.
@@ambriaashley3383 And you wouldn't be wrong, since Bella is Stephenie's self-insert.
"worst relationship in cinema"
50 shades and After: "Hold my distorted female take on romantic relationships"
Say THAT again😂😂 They should define do 50 shades, I would love their analysis! I think 50 shades is scarier because there is no magic and lore involved just real people...romanticizing abuse.
Well 50 shades is a Twilight Fanfic and After is a fanfic
@@Andyatl2002 at the end of the day is always fanfiction's authors fault
What is creepy is that all these bullcraps are written by women and targeted for women.
@@00B., I do think there is a reason as to why they target women, most women get told to fix men, and these abusive relationships come together in this fiction
*365 days & After have joined the chat*
in that opening scene he basically made it worse. Like, he didn't have to push her at all, he needed to push that other vampire. But no, throw her across the entire room into a bunch of glass objects. She certainly won't cut herself and drip more blood everywhere.
A great alternative storyline to the Twilight saga of abusive and toxic relationships: Bella's abusive bf Edward has to leave Forks. After leaning on her friends for support, Bella discovers she loves motorcycles and working on them with her unproblematic friend Jacob, a guy who doesn't try to control her and would never get upset at being "friendzoned". She becomes a whiz at fixing machines and gets a job at an autoshop. Bella begins to forget about Edward and enjoys spending time with Jacob and riding motorcyles and fixing them together (rather than just watching him do it.) She decides to date Jacob because she realizes emotionally stable guys her age with nice abs are much more fun to date than old, sullen vampires. She also makes time for her friends and realizes that doing normal high school activities with Anna Kendrick and co are life-enriching, and laughing is more fun than pouting and staring into the distance. The end.
Or she doesn't get with Jacob either. 👌🏼 She becomes her own woman who doesn't need to emotionally rely on a man until she gets even more hobbies. Until she eventually falls in love with someone who talks to her openly, respects her decisions, and doesn't hurt her in the name of love, and definitely doesn't make decisions on her behalf without her consent.
@@MewMewSun Actually, you're right -- this is better! :)
They’re both better than all of the originals combined :’)
Man I wish this what what happened instead of that the actual ending
In my retelling she’d leave Edward AND Jacob and find out that she needs help and that her friend Mike Newton is a better choice and gets with him
"If someone breaks your heart, I promise you, your life is more than that."
Just repeating it instead someone has to be reminded in the comments. Love you guys.
Come to think of it, if Jacob only has feelings for Bella because she’s half of Renesmee, wouldn’t that mean he also has some interest in Edward? Maybe your jokes in Part 2 about the two guys having more chemistry with each other than with Bella were closer to the mark than you realized. XD
Ok I get what you're saying but, girls/ women are born with all the eggs they'll ever have. Boy/ men are constantly making new sperm.
That reminds me of a post I saw where someone made that observation and headcanoned that Jacob felt very panicked because all of a sudden because he had a weird lust for Edward a few days before Bella conceived their little demon
Dammit, I had forgotten that stupid ass name of the little half alien baby. Now I'm gonna have to forget it again.
@@hadley_mcdonald SHE GAVE BIRTH?
@@duckydan2502 yea
I'm team Bella going to therapy, staying as far as possible from these creeps and finding someone who treats her right
💯
This ⬆
@@Ojas97Exactly. She has a cardboard paper for a personality.
It's time to call Vatican for help
The one scene where Carlisle is aiding Bella has much more chemistry than Bella and Edward has ever had and it’s so awkward
Bella's got more realistic chemistry with most of the Cullens than she does with Edward. At least, that's how I recall it, I haven't watched these movies in many years.
@@DiZtheJedi you recall it correctly.
Team Carlisle
Dude, you’re so right the movie was on tv again last night and this stood out to me so much 😂
Bella is written in a way that makes her a shell of a woman that anyone can fit into. No interests, no hobbies, no personality or substance. Exactly like a fanfic aimed at the reader.
On top of that, Bella is a self-insert of Stephenie Meyer.
Aka lazy writing.
Here is some food for thought: Alice has visions of the future, the moment a decision is made she sees everything that will occur, her and Edward planned that birthday party, despite Bella outright telling them I do not want to have a party, I am not comfortable with it. They then gang up on her and guilt her into to having one anyway. Alice also decorates the entire house, and put out all of the glass plates that Bella later gets thrown into, plates that dont need to be used by anyone but Bella. In the book Myers describes at least a half a dozen plates stacked up by an enormous cake. If you really put some thought into everyone's actions within that book it shows the lengths that this "family" goes to in order to force Bella into being a compliant little Stopford wife. They knowingly take advantage of a young impressionable girl, over emphasizes the power imbalance between them, give her bits and drabs of affection, knowing that she has none of this from her actual family, (despite how well Charlie is betrayed in the movies, in the book, he is useless, abandons and ignores her) and then when the family see her pushing back, her insisting on becoming one of them, her not liking them choosing her food, or her clothes, etc. They purposefully take it all away, and do so, in the most devastating manner possible. They all just leave without a word, and have Edward take her into the woods where she gets lost and ends up with hypothermia. She is trapped in the woods for hours, something like six or so if I remember right, and then when she finally is found, and she recovers, she discovers that Edward, stole all of her pictures, mementos, anything that could possibly be used as a keepsake or remembrance to help her gently transition out of this horrible dynamic. They all intentionally use her worst fears against her, in order to completely break her, so that later, as you will see, they can mold her into exactly what they want. Any time she even comes close to crossing into, I have a backbone territory, she is subtilty reminded of the time they left her. Its easy for us as adults to look at this and go, hey this is horrible behavior, and not a good relationship. However, at 16/17 with Bella's already fragile emotional insecurities, it completely makes sense that she has these reactions. It is actually quite deep if you analyze it, the danger lies in the fact that this is book pushed onto kids, who idolize this relationship. Before Edward and Bella it was Romeo and Juliet, teens everywhere wanted an idealistic love like that, which always just baffled me. Whenever someone said this, my reply was always something to the effect of, okay so you want to be sold to the highest bidder, start a war, and then commit suicide, leaving your family utterly devastated, gotcha. At 14, 15, 16, & 17 we just don't have the understanding on why these relationships are unhealthy and/or the story is showing us what not to do. (Not that is what Myers was trying to accomplish but that is what she ended up doing.)
This is underrated, teenagers my age should read this
I don't remember which year I read Romeo and Juliet in high school, but I do remember my English teacher (who remains to this day, the most badass woman I've ever met) being very upfront with us about how the idea of romance in that play should not be taken as the ideal, and while reading I understood what she meant. Romeo and Juliet literally met at Juliet's 13th birthday party, 17-year-old Romeo had just been complaining to his best friend about how the girl he likes would rather join a nunnery than sleep with him SECONDS before laying eyes on Juliet, and then HE goes out of his way to pursue her. A young girl who does not have the experience or maturity to understand anything other than this cute older boy thinks that she's pretty and giving her attention, and Romeo knows that. I cannot fathom how this is STILL considered peak romance.
@@Phoenix_of_a_Down lol right, I never understood it either, but it sort of proves my point here, that most teens just don't have the experience or maturity necessary to really understand what a real healthy relationship is or should look like.
@@LillianaNorthman It's understandable with teens, but it's also still considered peak romance in media, as well. Articles comparing the newest cinematic hot couple to a "modern day Romeo and Juliet," constant movie and play adaptations (seriously, I did theater all through high school, majored in it at college, and I feel so damn lucky that we had a Harry Potter DADA curse on our hs directors, if only because none of them ever knew enough/cared enough about theater to attempt any Shakespeare, and in college I stuck to the costume shop, so I never had to suffer through it). It's still more mainstream than it should be, with larger audiences than just young teens. I think the main issue is that Juliet is always aged up so that the whole thing seems less toxic (understandable, but even without the age gap, as you already listed, there are plenty more reasons for it's toxicity that too many people simply ignore).
Let's add one thing to Romeo and Juliet, ROMEO WAS "IN LOVE" WITH ANOTHER GIRL WHO REJECTED HIM, then he met Juliet and "fell in love" practically took advantage of a 13-year-old girl to put aside the relationship that according to Shakespeare in his initial dialogues lasted more than 3 or 4 years, he used Juliet, he killed Juliet's cousin not only for telling her that as he was from the enemy family she did not want him next to her but that his cousin literally challenges Romeo because she was very young ... also, everything happens in just 3 weeks, THEY MET IN JUST 3 WEEKS
In the books Bella isn’t awake while screaming - it’s supposed to be interpreted that she constantly has nightmares about the breakup- it’s still a very poor choice for a character
"Your wig is bleeding." That line, that one line, is EXACTLY something Mike and the robots would say! I love having these psychological perspectives with the MST3K effect! I can't wait for part 2!
We are MST3K fans, and I think it rubbed off.
@@CinemaTherapyShow Don’t think we didn’t notice that casual Space Mutiny reference.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I felt like this whole episode was just MST3K. Kudos!
Alan: I just, they're so insane that I needed a therapist to coach me through them. What is happening!?
Jonathan: That’s the thing…I’m a therapist, and I don’t know!
Me: You guys are Pure gold!
I died when they said that 😂😂😂❤️
So, I have CPTSD and what she did reminded me of night flashbacks that I get(I don't usually wail and scream more hyperventilate and cry).
Thing is - I cannot understand where she'd get that level of trauma from her life and experience. And I'm kinda pissed off about it.
@@Emilijalikesducks In the first movie, she got bit by James. She's screaming from the pain she was feeling at that time.
@@Emilijalikesducks the first book/film ending was pretty traumatic for any person I imagine and for some people breaking up with their partner is traumatic
Edward is 109 AND a telepath and this is his understanding of other people's emotions?
What really gets me is that no one - not Bella, his siblings or his parents - ever tells Edward that this was the wrong thing to do! No one points that out to him. He's sorry for causing Bella pain, but he still thinks his way is right.
@Gary Allen According to the author, vampires in this world freeze at the mental stage they were in when they were turned. But teenagers are capable of learning from experience. Edward has learned things like strong self-control and patience; he is capable of developing in some ways. He is just an arrogant idiot who thinks he knows best and nobody else's opinion on what's best matters, least of all Bella's.
@@leigh-anjohnson So if a toddler was turned into a vampire, he or she would be stuck with toddler mentality forever?
@@Mysikrysa Yes. That's why creating immortal children is illegal in Meyer's vampire world. Their tantrums would draw too much attention and so on. They can't develop so they can't keep the secret.
I'm positive his entire family discouraged him from doing that. But he made up his mind. And he stated the only reason he did that was because he didn't want Bella to wait. He didn't want to give her hope that he would come back.
Bella doesn't point it out to him because she believed him when he said he didn't want her. And he needed her to believe that.
@@BlueDauntless If you really don't see what's wrong with that, watch Cinema Therapy's two part episode on New Moon again, particularly the part about Edward making decisions for Bella without Bella being in the loop. He completely disregard what she thinks and feels and tries to force her through lies and manipulation to feel and react the way he wants her to.
Bella doesn't point it out because she blindly believes him, sure. How about all the many many times she learns that he is lying or otherwise trying to manipulate her? Bella believes him which causes her immense pain, yet when he comes back in New Moon she never bring up the simple fact that "you should have been honest with me".
The audience can make assumptions about Edward's family trying to dissuade him, but that's not enough when it's never shown on page in the actual story. None of the Cullens even apologized for leaving without so much as a goodbye. And when Edward continues his obsessive controlling behavior in Eclipse to the point of having Alice hold Bella prison at his house while he's gone with her barely allowed to even use the phone, none of them object to it.
I always assume that the night terrors were causedby the PTSD she was suffering from James's attack. They got worse after Edward left because Bella no longer felt safe with out him.
It's so weird and over the top for her to have such an extreme response to the breakup. It would make more sense that it's a response to James and the aftermath. The one minor hitch I'd have with this theory is that she brings up to Edward later that he could have let the bite do its work and then she would be just like them. So would the trauma be involuntarily from that? Or would she have found a way to twist it so it was less traumatic for her and more like a "oh well, better luck next time" deal?
To whoever took care of the closed captions for this, naming the characters as 'Sparkles' and Wolfy' - you're a goddamned hero.
The captions calling Bella "Garbage Person" is the best part.
I turned it on just to see this and OMG it such a great edition.
I prefer sparkly boy or Mr marble forehead but..
I didn't believe this at first....so I turned the cc on (the US version, everyone) -- and oh hell yeah. Look for it starting at 17:17
The "months passing" scene is a wonderful expression of a terrible idea.
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That is a fantastic thumbnail, you guys are getting good at this!
Thanks so much!
Actually, it's kind of an unfortunate cropping of the first word.
@@tiyenin LMFAO noooooo 🤣🙈
It looks like Jonathan is about to have ice water dumped over him
My thought exactly! I'm not going to be able to see the premiere (because it'll be at 1am here) but I already gave it a like just because the thumbnail made me chuckle. XP
I'll watch it as soon as I have time tomorrow for sure :)
Edit: I saw the time wrongly, hehe. I'll totally be able to watch it premiere :)
I did have a period of time screaming in bed like she did. It was terrifying for both my Dad and myself. We don't know if it was stress, or something but I had no control over it.
I eventually realized it was seizures. Hasn't happened since.
Kifs and yong adolescence can have night terrors and grow out of ut. Persistent can be Ptsd nightmare from near death experience at balet studio. Not sure how john missed that.
@@JG-ce5yu sorry?
@@syra1541 kids and young adolescents can have night terrors and grow out of it. A reason for Bella’s could be her near death experience in a ballet studio. Not sure how John missed that.
@@JG-ce5yu But there was no indication that it was related to the ballet studio fight? It only started when Edward left, and any "trauma" from the ballet studio is NEVER mentioned. If it was supposed to be related to the ballet studio and not just a weird reaction to being dumped, I'm pretty sure her being traumatized from it would've been mentioned once in the thousand+ pages
@Heather Smith my reply was based on movies, not books. So maybe you are right on the books. I dont know because I never read the books. This is cinema reviews bot book reviews, though.
Generally speaking, post-traumatic stress disorder can happen or come out later based on a trigger. Some people dont have signs for decades after experiencing a single or multiple traumas.
Additionally, it's a misconception that a breakup couldn't trigger a trauma. Trauma is individual relative. Something emotionally experienced that feels like your dying can trigger it. PTSD is super complex. There are multiple types and multiple ways it can show up in the body behaviors. Saftey is key. So if we look at the movie, bella was safe with edward around and when he levt saftey was gone. Even though over all the relationship was not so good again, it's based on her perspective, her trauma, her bodies way of reacting to this, her bodies way of dealing with grief.
"Bella can't swim on her own"
Me: Literally lmao
"Quite literally, we'll get to that later"
Me: 👀👀
Charlie is definitely the most genuinely likeable character of the series.
I loved Seth, too!
@@Southernblonde1310 Same!
and alice
Agreed! I've always liked Charlie!
In the book he is not. He is a idiot like all the character.
“I figured that out when I was 17… HE’S A HUNDRED AND NINE!” Mooood 🤣
If this is his first girlfriend than maybe it's more relateble? But then that again is very sad.. 109 years old and it's your first time haveing a girlfriend.. poor guy. (Maybe that exolains all his bad moves? but then again, his whole family has partners...)
So just to point out that the "screaming in bed" isn't just Bella laying awake in bed screaming into her pillow... she is having night terrors, like PTSD level of nightmares, reliving Edward leaving her in the forest and she wakes up screaming from the night terrors....
I really don't know how they missed this lol it looks so obvious
As a guy with actual PTSD who had it even at Bella's age, my nightmares have legit NEVER gotten bad enough for me to thrash and scream like that? I think that's why-- she freaks out like that a lot & that level of reaction doesn't seem common with us. Most of the time I'll jolt up breathing heavily, but I've still to this day never actually screamed like a xenomorph was coming outta me.
@@onettaviator5396 Same
Yes! And also from being hunted by a vampire who wanted to kill her slowly and cruelly. Without Edward/ the Cullens there, her and her family/friends are in grave danger if any more of James friends show up. She’s terrified and feels completely helpless (in my non-important opinion lol)
Plus everyone has different ways of dealing with things.
"you have to learn how to swim on your own, otherwise you'll grab onto the nearest bit of slimy driftwood to hold onto" - definitely going to use this quote
"Worst relationship ever put on film" Well, I'm waiting for a react to Fifty Shades of Grey 😆
365 Days had an even worse relationship on film than 50 Shades.
It's a damn rabbit hole of celebrated terrible relationships.
Makes sense 50 shades was a twilight fanfiction
Its like they are competing to make the worst most toxic relationship
@@kaida0enya0kohana agreed
Beast stars in another one...
I was a 16 year old girl in an abusive relationship. I did break up with him, but it destroyed me for months. I was depressed, I slept around, I did poorly in school...because he convinced me I was nothing without him. I thought that I was no longer a person worthy of love or care. I was reading this book around the same time and I felt so seen and understood.
Just thought I'd share from that perspective.
I’m glad for you that it helped you. One of the things with the guys is that this is what some girls experience. To say nothing of the fact that teen years can be very emo very dramatic through in low self esteem and you have a girl who is ripe for this kind of exploitation
Hope you are healthier and happier now!
My issue with that comparison is the message of new moon is that he's right.
Which is a terrible thing to tell someone who feels seen and understood by post-break up Bella. That girl should be told and made to feel like she has a life and love outside of that horrible person, not encouraged to return to her abuser because she's nothing without him to define her.
@@ahenchman8656 Agree. I hate that these books never point out that this kind of behavior is not okay. It could have been so much better if it had shown Bella doing something, Anything to get better on her own and build a life - school, friends, hobbies, Anything that was not centered around Edward.
@@rachelgarber1423 I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I hope that you're happy and I wish you a wonderful life with healthy relationships.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I have never watched the Twilight series before, and I'm glad I'm finally knowing about this dumpster fire of a story through this channel. Jonathan and Alan's bromance is a better love story than Twilight.
Healthier too.
“Edward can’t read her thoughts” … I think it’s made pretty clear that she doesn’t have any thoughts to read.
theres nothing in that head of hers.
Nothing in there, except: „ohhh, EdWArD“🤣
Can you please read the books before you say things like this; she has more on her mind.
@@Gigi.waves44 No, I’ve tried and I found them unpleasant to read.
@@Gigi.waves44 Beyond obsessing over Edward Bella's a blank void.
Honestly Bella is one of the worst written female characters ever, and led to characters like Tessa from After, Elle from Kissing Booth, that lady from 365 Days, and literally everyone in 50 Shades of Grey.
It’s fine to depict an abusive relationship with horrible characters, just acknowledge that the relationship is bad and find a better outcome than the couple staying together. If Twilight was actually meant to be a cautionary tale of some sort, it would be fine. But it’s not.
"That lady from 365 Days" LMAO! You're right Bella was the blueprint for all those other awful female characters.
Considering that 50 Shades was Twilight fanfiction ... is there any wonder why it was crap. I read it when it was Bella and Edward and had friends in a writing group that helped her edit the thing into some sort of cohesiveness, she never thanked 1 of them when it got published. Then she turns around and says she will sue anyone that writes fanfiction about it.
I even can write better character and i was lastly writing something when i was like 11-12.
Elle from the kissing booth is at least tolerable. Considering we don’t ever expect anything more than drama and comedy from high school teen romances.
@@sanskrutiphule1957 pls stop lying lmao the guy she liked was super aggressive/manipulative in the first movie and continuously lied/omitted to her best friend, then in the second movie she cheats on her boyfriend on national tv and somehow weasled herself back into everything. She's garbage too...and Bella is in highschool too lmao
"Twilight the worst celebrated relationships on film."
Disagree. Even with how horrendous Twilight is 50 Shades is still worse.
After all, 50 shades is a fan fiction based on twilight...
@@SuperBegh True. Very true.
I think more people watched Twilight, but yeah, they're both horrible
@@Stettafire Yeah, and Twilight was aimed at teenagers which in a sense makes it worse.
@@ironrose01 agreed. I was fed this as a 12 year old that was then sexually assaulted by a close friend and sexually pursued by a teacher in his 50s. I'm not saying it was all twilight's fault, but if media didn't tell me that I should derive my self worth from partners then I probably would have been able to call it sexual assault before I was 25.
I love whoever made the subtitles for this video. The names they gave Edward and Jacob (or should I say Sparkles and Wolfy) always manage to crack me up
When an actor's acting is bad, 90% of the time it's the director's fault.
Or the writer’s
Especially here. KStew & Rpatz are very talented and dedicated actors who shine in their other non-Twilight projects
IKR I spent a long time thinking Robert Pattison was a meh actor cause Twilight was the only thing I’ve seen him in
BUT HE’S LEGIT AMAZING IT’S SOOO SAF CAUSE THAT PAST TEEN AUDIENCE ARE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE FOUND THE OTHER THINGS HE WAS GOOD IN 😭😭😭
I think all of the films had different directors. Their acting is equally horrible in all of them. I’ve always put it down to Stewart and Pattinson’s well-documented hatred of the material.
Comsidering the many things beyond plot and acting in this film that just arent good Im very willing to blame the director.
Bella is the antithesis of Buffy, whose message is very much what you're teaching; "No guy is worth your life, not ever."
But let's not act like Buffy didn't need to go through some major trauma and growth to get to that point.
"Angel, when I look into the future, all I see is you. All I want is you." -Buffy Summers, Episode 2x12
Buffy was a badass, but she wasn't above making her relationship with her first love her whole world, the way many teenagers do at one time or another.
@@mayhit But with Buffy even though to begin with after Angel lost his soul and became Angelus again after the "moment of true happiness" sex part of his gypsy curse kicked in she tried to see if there was some part of Angel still in there and when she realised there wasn't after Angelus killed Jenny Calendar she knew she had to kill him. And even after Willow restored Angel's soul Buffy had to send him into the demon dimension portal anyway because since he used his blood to open it as Angelus it had to be used to close it as well. If Bella and Edward were in that same situation Bella would still think Edward was the same even if he murdered her friends, family and classmates and would doom the world.
@@mayhit Yes, but that’s the point. Buffy spent all of season two *learning* the lesson. She grows as a character. Bella never grows until she becomes a vampire and magically becomes assertive.
It's just so funny, that Jasper cannot control himself but goes to a high school... have you ever been to high school? There are people bleeding EVERY SINGLE DAY 😂
I know right?! And not just from stupid things like trying to staple their finger either! At any given time 1/3 of the entire cis female population would be like walking fruit snacks!
@@victoriat8922 yes!! 😂😂
However, Bella's blood is supposed to be extra-special and super attractive to Vampires. I mean, that's why Edward looks like he's going to vomit when he first smells her. So obvious, right? :D
@@g.strobl4458 I’m pretty sure Bella’s blood is only that way towards Edward since she’s his bloodsinger. And Jasper was affected by it like that because he can feel Edwards strong aśs emotions💀
I read a comment once on another video and they said Jasper holds his breath in the school and just moves his chest to pretend. And this was a situation where he wasnt prepaired for the sudden smell
I'm also team Bella gets her life together and avoids toxic relationships. As a survivor of domestic violence, the first time I saw a Twilight movie I called Edward out for being an abuser. I told my friends I didn't like the option of having to choose between an abusive controlling stalker and a person with anger issues. Jacob may seem nice but he's still a werewolf who could do some serous damage in a moment of upset emotions.
And the fact that Jake was written to be that way is highly concerning to me.
Also, Jacob gets real gross in Eclipse.
Also, Jacob tried to force himself onto Bella in Eclipse. So he us a sexually assaulting creep too.
This reminds me of 17 again, when Zac Efron told his daughter "when your young everything feels like the end of the world but it's not. It's just the beginning."
Please react to 17 again. :)
Up for this!
That scene where it's just spinning around Bella and she's catatonic because she's so depressed that an abusive guy left her?? That scene made me burst into tears when I first saw it because it felt like looking at me and made me relive my experience. That's how I was at a point in my life because I WAS in an abusive relationship with a frightening man. I didn't know if I was going to make it out alive and the chronic daily stress living in such a nightmare, being cut off from having friends, and being told how worthless, crazy, and stupid I was, left me without hope or the energy to even want to brush my hair. So I sat and stared because my chest felt like lead and just breathing sometimes was painful. I wanted time to stop because every day I knew I might not live through it and I was terrified of dying. When I got OUT of the abusive relationship, that kind of behavior STOPPED.
Having a man yell about how easily he could hurt you or kill you is NOT sexy. While I feel this illustrated severe depression really well and I even used it as a scene behind narration in a video I made on depression, she is more morbidly depressed than she should be for a guy leaving her, especially one that treats her the way Edward does. I mean I think of someone being this depressed who like... had their whole family killed in a car accident. They shouldn't be teaching girls this is normal behavior when a guy dumps you. It can be AWFUL, that's why they call it a broken heart. But going catatonic and ceasing to exist or have your own life?? A bit unhealthy.
I got into an abusive relationship and I was heartbroken because I loved him. I thought he loved me too. He stalked me for months afterwards. I was in college at the time, and living on campus. Thank God for the campus cops. They caught him and he was banned from going on campus.
I met my abuser on campus. I didn’t see it at the time, but he was a predator. I was an in confident nineteen-year-old who lacked self-confidence. I was the perfect prey. He groomed me and pretended to love me. We were always on-again, off-again. It was so hard. After a really bad fight, I called a friend and she, along with her boyfriend at the time, came and picked me up from my abuser’s house. I’m so grateful I got away.
I still struggle with self confidence. But through therapy, I have learned to recognize red flags in someone. I feel like I have developed a better sense of self since then.
It’s been eleven years since I’ve seen him. I live in a completely different t area in a completely different state now. I’m working with my current therapist about my abuser.
I am so grateful to be here. My biggest hope is that other people can escape, heal, and recover.
Healing is possible.
@@dimitritucker1077 Thanks for sharing your story. I was the perfect prey as well due to having terrible self-confidence. It's so sad that there are sick people out there who pray on damaged or un-confidant people when we all should be helping each other grow and become healthy and independent. I'm so glad you have gained some self-confidence. I met mine on a college campus too and wasn't comfortable leaving him until I moved back home several states away. I was afraid of being stalked as well, and most girls in abusive relationships are killed after leaving the man, because it's all about control and they get angry that they lose it. You deserve to be treated with kindness and caring that helps you become stronger and better every year. You do not deserve to ever be torn down. I hope you keep growing in confidence and in your ability to regain joy and appreciate being free to live your life.
@@tsmuff Thank you. I hope you find peace and healing.
What if you've been traumatized with death and never having parents that loved you. What if you were immediately trauma bonded by getting shot at and then moving to a different state, and were basically homeless and in and out of houses, hotels and the car. all you had was this other person and ignored red flags in each other, used each other. What if their family was abusive and their brother wrote poems about skinning, raping and killing you. what if at rock bottom living in a car and he leaves you after helping you push all your friends away. What if he becomes best friends again with someone that wants to sleep with him and all his posts on facebook are of her tagging him and it looks like she replaced you and He has you blocked on everything but snapchat but you saw his facebook by accident and he lied about being friends with her again. She immedately wants to fight you and all you want is to be more important to him then her but hes taking her advice and telling him to get over you. I feel like shes grooming him for when she leaves her man. Is this response valid for a 21 year old female with this kind of trauma? What should one do in a situation like this. I havent been able to write in years because I keep getting hit with heavy trauma. I do see a therapist and I have a reiki session coming up but I must say its hard to make friends, keep a job and I want to be a normal adult but I literally dated the sleezy version of edward. It was immediately sexual. He says I have to be okay with them being friends but she has a messy track record of cheating and sleeping with taken men. Shes also shown this energy of being possesive of him. He said he wants us to work one day and wants me to respect his boundaries when he doesn't respect mine. Is it a deal breaker? should it be? I'm lost and I don't know what i should do. I've lost a lot of people. I didn't want to lose this one.
@@xowierotten869 I feel for you. I may not have been through each exact thing, but I know a lot of the feelings you express, survival mode, losing everything around you, being made less than someone else by the one you want to love you. Those are really painful and deep emotions there are not quite words to describe. It's shocking how much agony the body can feel when no one is physically harming you. Emotional torture that doesn't leave when the person does. At least if they hit you the pain lasts a few minutes and when they're gone it doesn't happen again. But emotional pain stays with or without them and goes on and on and on. I tried going to your channel to see if I could private message you, but don't see the option. Are you able to click my name and go to "About" and see if there is a way to message me?
I watched New Moon first, knowing enough about Twilight to be ready for it but only my sister and cousin watched the whole thing. I hated Edward instantly, because he PARKED SIDEWAYS ACROSS THREE PARKING SPACES. Instant red flag, no partner of mine will ever do that on purpose.
The real crimes that make Edward unlikable right there.
Oof
I love y’all talking about Bella’s actions from a teenager’s perspective as though we don’t all know Stephanie Meyer wrote those scenes with her whole-ass-adult-woman heart 😭
Meyer's a teenage girl in a grown woman's body.
To all those commenting variations of "I read the r*pist instead of therapist hahaha"
a) that's not very funny
b) please be mindful this channel is called Cinema Therapy and there may well be survivors in the chat/comments today. Thanks.
Thank you! This needs to be pinned as a top comment
Isn't this kinda overly sensitive? Should we assume the rape victims can't get any professional help because they get a mental breakdown every time they actually visit a therapy clinic and read its name?
Well I believe they can be stronger than that, and I also believe they can speak for themselves and don't need your virtue signaling. I don't see how is this offence-hysteria helping.
Although it isn't funny for being overused, I grant you that.
Also with repetition any humor is lost because it becomes clear how unoriginal it is.
@@alhena11 I understand your argument but as a survivor, it's just easier when not the whole world reminds you of it. Of course you can do whatever you want but if you don't have to do it, just don't. 🙊
@alhena11
I don't think that it's overly sensitive, mainly because it isn't very funny (as you said), so where is the harm in cutting it out? And also that this channel is discussing mental issues, so there will probably be a higher number of survivors than on the average channel which in turn means that it would probably be nice to have a kind of safe space in the comment section. Just because people might be triggered by jokes like that does not mean that they haven't gone through or aren't going through therapy. They will probably be confronted enough with their triggers in their daily lives, I don't think it would be necessary to expand that experience to this comment section
Getting over a manipulative narcissist actually feels exactly how Bella enacted it. The numbness, screaming, and retreating from friends. If anything was portrayed well it was the physical reenactment of her heart through the breakup.
I agree with this.
Been there, it was VERY painful. A total mind fuck over all.
@@MM-og3qz ha right? I literally had no hope of ever getting my livelihood back... I was a very hopeful person and he almost destroyed my spirit; luckily as dumb as it was getting involved with him I still had a little brain power to recognize I needed to get out.
To bad Meyer doesn’t see Edward as a manipulative jerk.
"Jacob's got better batting average at respecting Bella's choices..." Oh-ho, just you wait lol
I hate them both so much 😒
As someone going through a heartbreak right now, where all I can focus on is the pain of feeling unwanted or wondering what i could have done differently to get them to want me the same way, and honestly turning to unhealthy coping mechanisms to “feel better” I really, deeply, truly needed to hear the words “If someone breaks your heart, I promise you your life is worth more than that” and “It’ll grow back”
Thanks Jonathan and Alan. Yall are the best.
Alan says he's Team Jacob now, but wait till he sees how much they massacre his character in Eclipse.
I think he's already read the books. Can't wait to see what he says about Eclipse
I re-read Twilight out of curiosity because when I was younger I was obsessed with Edward... I was surprised how disgusting I found him. I was enjoying Jacob a lot in New Moon... But of course, she had to make him even worse than Edward... We couldn't have him overshadowing him... Pretty bad books. It's curious how she then wrote The Host which I like much better
@@marinahernandezmusic The Host is a lot better. I enjoyed it. But it does still have Meyer's weird thing about age differences
Meyer intentionally wrote Jacob as being aggressive and pushy just so he wouldn't upstage Edward.
@@lilscenechick1995 that's actually disgusting.
When this movie came out my friend and I made shirts that had a picture of Robert as Diggory that read “Team Cedric”. We went to the movie for the glares and eye rolls from the twilight fans. Best money I ever spent as a teenager.
This made me laugh-snort. Thank you.
🤣That's awesome!
Twilight fans are some of the easiest to piss off. Most fanbases can take criticism of a series. Twilight fans act like you've committed high treason for even implying it's not the most perfect thing ever.
#TeamCedric #HuffPride
😂😂😂😂😂
What a madlad
I feel like Bella is bland Yogurt and Edward is the spoon. When Edward's around she gets stirred but she's still bland yogurt, because there is not fruit at the bottom.
This is brilliant and sassy and i love it! :D
What a concept
Man this movie would be better with a fruit at the bottom
@@nannetteralphs9042 At least it would have had some Color, rather than bland grey.
Laughed hard at this- I nearly choked.
Watching this in Corona isolation. And the part where "Edward hurts people to protect them" is so cruel. My ex did the same to me. He told me on Christmas day that he had cheated on me (ldr). Naturally I broke up with him. Months later he got in contact and told me it wasn't true and he had only done it to "burn himself for me" because he didn't know where in the world he would be stationed from work. I've always hated the "it's better if you hate me" trope and having it happening to me felt like an insanely bad movie! Love your videos guys! Very insightful and funny!
Edit: Oh also, even when I read New Moon at seventeen I hated it because it just felt so wrong. Of course I wasn't aware why it felt that way. A decade later it made sense
Best line: "Your wig is bleeding."
My personal favorite is "Would you like some cake with this beef?"
Sparkles, Wolfy, and
Bella Swan: mumble mumble mumble
Greatest subtitles ever!
This movie could be like 5 minutes long if Bella got a therapist
Also three eps into this, but I wonder if you can trace Bella's clingy behavior to her parents, in particular her absentee mother who basically sent Bella away so she could chase her baseball player boyfriend. I also wonder if the years apart from her father developed a form of "daddy issues" which pushes her towards an older (much older) man who treats her a certain way.
That would make sense.
Also, Charlie is notoriously emotionally constipated. So Bella got her mother's dependency and Charlie's inability for healthy emotional interactions.
That added to her bandonment issues and we have a perfect storm!
Jacob: I'll never hurt you
Jacob: *proceeds to do and say things that hurt her from this point on*
Can I just say, Charlie really pissed me off as well. Like Jacob kisses his daughter (And she OBVIOUSLY didn't consent considering she literally broke her hand punching him in the face afterwards) and his response is to give the guy a pat on the back? Oh, and he literally asked Jacob if he wanted to PRESS CHARGES AGAINST BELLA. That's just fucked up dude.
All of these characters are scum
Right! Up until then he was one the very few decent characters. He was the only that was actually aware of how unhealthy Bella and Edward's relationship was, but then Meyer ruined it by siding with Jacob after he assaulted his daughter... and he's supposed to be a *police officer!*
That part really pissed me off! I was like "Charlie no!" I think the only decent person is Carlisle but even then, his enabling of Edward is questionable. How did he even allow Edward to get involved with Bella? It's really depressing that we learn in Midnight Sun the other Cullens blamed BELLA FOR EXISTING and were totally okay with the idea of Edward killing her, so long as their lives weren't disrupted. Like, excuse me??? The 17 year old girl is to blame for literally showing up to school???
@@lilscenechick1995 Carlisle and Esme aren't great either. They welcome Bella like a daughter, then leave without a goodbye because their moronic son told them to, which to a teenager can feel like being thrown away like worthless trash. And they don't apologize for it! And they never at any point check their son's behavior
3:22
Bella: You can’t... protect me.
Alan: You can’t... speak a whole line... in one breath.
XD
i remember when i got to Breaking Dawn and it explained Jacob's attraction to Bella... actually, i was like "OMG, so Jacob was LITERALLY attracted to her OVARIES." under that argument though, he should have at least felt some mild attraction to Edward at some point.
At the wedding, Jacob was 🥵😏for Edward.
fortunately the author clarified that he's drawn to the fetus of baby renaissance, not the egg that would become baby renegade, so a little less creepy but still a gross plot line she did not need to include 🤢 honestly baby rasputin should never have existed at all...
@@maddie3647still creepy
In the closed captions, they call Edward "Sparkles" and Jacob "Wolfy" and it is the best thing I've seen.
Bella: Mumble jumble bumble 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
Appreciate the fact that Jacob is named "wolfy" in the subtitles 😂
Also that part of the emo crap "You're never gonna fix me" acted by Alan was h i l a r i o u s
And Edward is "Sparkles" haha
You know that things are going downhill when even the therapist doesn’t even know what’s going on