HARRY POTTER vs. Bullies
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2020
- We all have bullies to deal with. Harry Potter teaches us how to move from submission, to standing up for ourselves, to having compassion for our tormentors, robbing them of the power to harm us.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and unlicensed filmmaker Alan Seawright break down all the bullies from the entire Harry Potter Series - Draco and Lucius Malfoy, Severus Snape, Dolores Umbridge, Voldemort, and more - to see if there are life lessons you can apply.
Jonathan discusses the difference between Avoiders, Attackers, and Affirmers (Harry learns how to be the last one) and some of his own experiences with bullying. Alan discusses sound design, his love for David Yates, set decoration, and cries. Again.
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Umbridge is giving me big "there is no war in Ba-Sing-Se" energy
Lol yes
There is no dark wizard in hogwarts
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The truth in this comment, priceless.
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I think part of the reason why Umbridge is so universally hated above Voldemort is that she exemplifies a lot of people. She's the unfair boss, the cruel teacher, the unforgiving leader. Voldemort is just your run-of-the-mill bad guy that the main character fights. Almost everyone knows an Umbridge, but almost no one knows a Voldemort.
Yeah, she's realistic. She's terrifying.
People can see abusers that they know and relate them to Umbridge.
She’s like Hitler in that book while Voldemort is Satan.
Yeah and to add to that Voldemort is common in stories as evil and awful as he is most villains are somewhat similar and he’s the main villain you’re supposed to hate him umbridge feels like the main villain yet she’s only really the villain for a couple books
Seeing as Voldemort recruited people based on inner hatred for Muggleborns and Half-bloods, I would compare him to Hitler. In a way, Hitler was a cult leader too.
I think it's also in part that she's (for the most part) socially accepted. Society saw Voldemort and vilified him, appropriately so, for his inhumanity but Umbridge was celebrated and rewarded for her cruelties up until her comeuppance.
"Kindness won't always change someone, but it shows them *you* won't be changed."
I love this. Thank you, Wholesome Cinema Dads!
"cinema dads" What a perfect description 🤣
Definitely
Love this too, absolutely! Kindness won't always change someone's heart, but it shows them you won't be changed!
"Wholesome Cinema Dads" should be the new name of their channel XD
Wholesome cinema dads 😂 I want this on a shirt of cup.
My favorite little detail in the Prisoner of Azkaban is how Snape grabs Harry's collar of his shirt, he's obviously pissed at him and you can tell he's ready to absolutely chew Harry out, but then he hears Lupin growl and without thinking, completely on instinct, he puts his arms around all three of them and pulls them all behind him to protect them and let's himself be struck by Lupin to protect the kids. I think that's such an underrated moment for Snape's character that when the kids are truly in danger he protects them.
I have said, and will continue to say, that Alan Rickman's version of Snape is the superior version of Snape. Sure, he has his dickish moments, but I can tell that Alan is still a good dude deep down. The book version of Snape does some irreprehensible things, and I cannot believe that he is a good man.
@@noahwesterberg8566 Another really strong little moments in the film series - but not the books - is in the Half Blood Prince. Harry bumps into Snape while Dumbledore and Draco are in a confrontation scene and Snape puts a finger to his lips, Harry immediately obeys to be quiet. The level of trust in Snape suddenly displayed despite their hatred was extremely powerful considering Snape immediately 'betrays' this to 'murder' Dumbledore. Best moment in the Half Blood Prince hands down.
Snape: "I'll psychologically abuse children for years, but setting dementors after them and letting them get eaten by werewolves is a little too far even for me.
@@cosmicriptid you can't abuse and kill them.... That's my job... 😁
@@noahwesterberg8566 I agree. That werewolf scene was movie original and it was pretty sweet! But I hate book Snape
Ah, Delores Umbridge, the magical Karen.
"I'd like to speak to the Minister for Magic."
@@Xehanort10 🤣🤣
wow
@@Xehanort10
I thought that said Manager and read it as she wants to talk to the literal leader of magic. Like the first wizard ever or something before remembering Fudge existed and that says minister.
Lucius Malfoy is the Karen imo. And Draco is the entitled crotch goblin.
One of the things that stood out to me about Harry's decision to save Malfoy:
When Narcissa leans over him in the forest and asks him if Malfoy is alive, he says "yes." Had he said no, Narcissa likely would have had an emotional reaction, or perhaps even willfully outed him, giving away that Harry wasn't dead. Harry probably would have died in that moment.
His decision to save Malfoy's life ended up saving him in the end. It's a beautiful demonstration of how kindness can breed kindness in others.
Beautifully said.
You could also say that Harry is saved by narcissa's love for her son.
Repeatedly through the books, they say about Malfoy "at least his mother loves him" - a love which ends up saving the day in the end.
Ever played ori and the blind forest
Don't read there are spoilers
At some point the protagonist saves an enemy then the enemy gives the protagonist something that allows them to beat the game the same befriended enemy also allows the protagonist to progress at a vital point and also brings the protagonist mothr who in turn saves the protagonists life its a bit of a random example but it shows that when you are kind to someone they will probably repay you
It also is a very strong characterising moment for Narcissa who had been basicly not a character up until now. She does not care for the war, she does not care for pure blood, she got tugged along on strings the whole time, but the monent she stands up she does not care about her own safet or any real gain.
With how good at spotting lies Voldemort is, it was a very high risk for her to claim Harry was dead. But the fact that Harry showed compassion for her son despite everything made her take that risk without any real hope of reward or gain from it. But she is a loveing mother and there lies a child who saved her sons life, if there is the slightest chance of protecting him, where she could not protect her own , she would do it.
Great analysis. I think one of the reasons Voldemort didn't go check if Harry was dead himself was he wanted one of his underlings to do it and announce it, thus proclaiming his superiority over Harry. Because Voldemort did not inspire loyalty or friendship (except for Bellatrix, who was a psychopath and clearly wanted to be his woman), he ultimately lost because two of his followers betrayed him.
In her own way, Narcissa is an unsung hero of the series. Certainly cut from very different cloth than, say, Bellatrix.
I always found it sweet that Richard Griffiths, the man who played Vernon Dursley, was so kind and mentoring towards Daniel Radcliffe that the latter found it difficult to act intimidated by him during their scenes together. Even after HP was over, they went on to do some stage plays together.
He had the same rapport with Alan Rickman- the most cruel and vicious characters are often played by the sweetest people. Richard and Alan are sorely missed
@@Tareltonlives that is awesome, since the kids don’t get traumatized from the cruel scenes they have!
and love for Alan Rickman
I'm imagining them being bullies to the kids and saying they were method acting.
@@Tareltonlives one of the first plays my actress sister was in, she played a funny but ditzy girl. The character's brother wasn't exactly a villain, but he was a bit of an ass sometimes. At one point he yelled at her, which really shocked my sister, and he immediately started apologizing and asking if she was okay.
@@Tareltonlives It's like how Danny DeVito was actually really kind and sweet to Mara Wilson backstage of "Matilda." So it makes it interesting when you watch scenes where Mr.Wormwood is being mean to Matilda.
The real telling detail with Umbridge is her ability to maintain a patronus in the presence of dementors in the Deathly Hallows during the interrogation, she either wasn’t really paying attention and putting her whole energy into happy thoughts, or she genuinely enjoyed what she was doing and that was her happy thought.
I believe this was meant to represent how much she truly enjoyed her role in what she was doing.
She was putting so little visible effort into creating that patronus.... it was lazily walking around the room.... it was a cat.... I think this was an example of how much she was TRULY enjoying herself... she likes to play with the things she hunts and kills... even if she isn't eating them...
In the books I saw Umbridge being even worse than Snape because like you said she seemed to enjoy her interrogation of people and seeing them being terrified of the tormentors. Another thing that seemed even worse is the treatment of the Hogwarts students, especially, the pen that would use your blood as ink and cut what you were writing into your flesh.
She's a sadist. She gets off on torturing people and holding power over them.
Why aren’t more people commenting on the fact that Jonathan’s saint of a mom is so much more evolved than the rest of the human race
Because it's most useful thought in video
YESSS!!!
Totally agree.
Yeah seriously. The woman sounds like such a great mom.
Yeah. It seemed like based in the Brave video, they started out a little rocky, but they've both taught each other some really incredible lessons.
The most interesting part of Harry's story arc re bullying has to be when he discovers Snape's memories and sees his own father being a bully to Snape. He's really disappointed in his Dad's ugly behavior. It explains Snape -- he just assumes Harry is like James and projects his anger onto him. I really find it fascinating that Harry could have been a very different person had he not been raised by his Muggle relatives -- because of their abuse, he can empathize with the vulnerable, and he chooses to act in contrast to those who abuse power and instead to fight for good.
The idea that living with the Dursleys made Harry more compassionate is gold. I'd never thought about that (Jonathan). I always thought he was naturally resilient, but your theory makes more sense to me.
Thing I find with harry only seeing through his dad bully snape through snapes memory is that memory's are going to have a bias and memory's can change to fit you bias so when Harry sees the mauraders he sees Snapes perception of them.
As someone who grew up being bullied and looks back on the negative experiences in my life with appreciation for them, I completely agree with this idea. If I didn’t go through the suffering I did, I probably wouldn’t be as compassionate, resilient and willing to stand up for myself and others as I am. Although they were painful and they were difficult, I never once regret them and wouldn’t change them for the world. I’m proud of the lessons I learnt through those experiences and I’m sure Harry is the same. Without going through that sort of suffering, he wouldn’t be able to understand and feel compassionate for other people who were and still are suffering just like he was.
@@WanderersBallad That’s not how pensieves work in Harry Potter lore. The whole point is that you can objectively examine memories and see things you may have missed. To be fair, according to Sirius and Lupin, James matured and “grew out” of his bullying behavior (at which point Lily was willing to give him a chance). We didn’t see any of those later memories (presumably Snape might not have had much later interaction once he and Lily had their falling out and the Marauders stopped bullying him) or any of the dark magic, nasty things Snape and his friends were supposedly doing. So in that sense, we were only seeing “select” memories, but the memories we saw were accurate to what happened.
I agree! I see in life a lot that trauma and bullying can make someone a lot more compassionate. I think his experiences could also contribute to why he stood up for his friends immediately as well. He had been told his whole life so many insults so he knows how it feels and seeing that being inflicted on someone who has been nice to him and is his friend and doesn't deserve it fuels him and he no longer is worried as much about what could happen to him, he just wants to defend his friend and it's empowering.
In the books Harry met Draco in Diagon Alley, buying robes. His first thought was that this boy is obnoxious and the second was that he reminds him of Dudley. Basically these were huge red flags, he figured out that he didn't want another Dudley in his life, and when they met again in the train, he was ready to stood up to himself.
It's the most obvious thing in the world is that Dudley and Draco are two sides of the same coin, but it flies over people's heads.
@@Tareltonlives it’s obvious tho why it flies over people’s heads Draco’s conventionally attractive and Dudley’s not people are willing to look over Draco’s flaws but not Dudley’s because of that sole reason
@@tanvitasnim326 Bingo
Also, draco had disrespected Hagrid during that part of the book. Harry didn't like how badly he talked about his friend and was happy to be away from him
@@Mix090 How Hagrid is treated shows the quality of the character: the Malfoys hate him, Fudge doesn't like him, and Umbridge really didn't like him. Terrible people hate Hagrid, dating back to Voldemort framing him.
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"Kindness is a wildcard. And it doesn't always work. It doesn't always change hearts. What it does show is you won't be changed."
as someone who was bullied all throughout school these are strong words. There's not many people who'll be mature enough to be able to deal with bullying in a wise way. I certainly wasn't. And even today there's so many situations when even being bullied as an adult you take it personally and wonder what's wrong with you though the real question is why do other grown people feel compelled to behave in such a way.
Ya blew my mind a little there with that. Brb, now adopting that as my new life philosophy
@Jennifer M K
"Truth may not always win friends, but it certainly influences people." - Batty Coda, "Ferngully: The Last Rainforest"
@@thegreattotemaster bullying others is the right thing to do? Or are we misunderstanding each other? BC I meant why do other grown people still feel like bullying others.
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"Kindness is a wildcard. It doesn't always work, it doesn't always change hearts. What it does show is that YOU can't be changed". What a beautiful sentence - thank you!
You're so welcome!
22:50 Except that James didn't take Lily. An important part of Snape's memory of James bullying him - the one that Harry saw - was Lily defending him and telling James to leave Severus alone (James tried to mess his hair up and make his voice sound deeper and tries the 'I'll let him down if you say you'll go out with me' line which obviously didn't work) and then Severus in his humiliation yelled out "I DON'T NEED HELP FROM FILTHY LITTLE MUDBLOODS LIKE HER!" The thing is that since being sorted into Slytherin Severus had been hanging out (I don't know if he as actually friends with them or if they just let him hang out with him) with a lot of other Slytherins who later ended up becoming Death Eaters, and they kept on harassing and bullying muggle-born students. Snape was still friends with Lily but she couldn't understand why he would hang out with those other Slytherins. My own guess was because it was out of loneliness, and because of that Severus tried to brush their actions off as "just a bit of fun". James Potter was a bully but he didn't target people based on their parentage. As Lily put it "James Potter is an arrogant toe-rag - and I can see that on my own without you reminding me of it every five minutes - but your friends...their idea of fun....it's evil", not that Severus heard that bit, he was too happy to hear her insult James Potter.
But when he called her a 'mudblood' that broke their bond - James tried to force an apology out of him but that just made Lily even angrier that she already was, she even told James "you're just as bad as he is" - she cut ties with Severus after that though it might have been more because he would use that word at all rather than just that he called her that, I'm not sure, only know that she said when he tried to apologise to her "why not? You call everyone else like me mud blood, how am I any different", also saying "You and your death eater friends - see you don't even deny it now? You can't wait to go off and join You-Know-Who. Well you've chosen your side and I've chosen mine" and even added "I've been making excuses for you for years, none of my friends understand why I even talk to you." She started going out with James in their 7th year, over a year since that incident.
So while in a way there's probably a feeling that James stole her from him (though they were friends, not actually dating), what probably hurts Severus even more is the knowledge that his words and actions drove her away and that he ruined his own chance with her. So I think seeing Harry reminds him of both those facts.
I think it's because he called her that because she said he used it to call other people of the same heritage, so why should she be different. And I don't think it was purely out of loneliness. I think he actually did share some of their beliefs. You don't allow anyone to brand your skin unless you're all in.
@@Mia_M Says a lot when you think about it. Harry was bullied by his muggle relatives but he didn't fall into that mindset, Snape was (from what I can tell) pretty terrified of his muggle father (even if he didn't bully or hit him I get the feeling he hit his wife) and he did fall into that mindset. I mean it's understandable that he'd be resentful towards muggles since they probably reminded him of his father and then he found himself surrounded by a lot of anti-muggle fanatics but there's only so long you can use that as an excuse. I also think what you said was really spot on though, and that it wasn't so much that he called Lily a mud blood that she broke off their friendship but that he used that word at all.
wow that's an amazing insight into the interaction between snape and Lily. I did read the book, but I forgot that. I just thought they were friends and he never could have been with her. Not that he drove her away because of his words and deeds. Good points.
@@agenttheater5 I think Harry and Snape internalised their upbringings very differently. Snape always at least knew he’d be able to escape and he idolised Slytherin because of his mother. He was always ambitious and wanted to show he was something. He hated his father and likely attributed his abusive behaviour to him being a muggle as opposed to the ugliness of humanity. It probably didn’t help that he already saw himself as somewhat superior to muggles for having magic. Harry never expected to be a wizard. He had no explanation for the weird things that happened to him. He came back into the world he was born into very ignorant (not in a bad way) but lacking some of the prejudices that others had. On top of that, he didn’t want to be like his relatives. And meeting Draco solidified that he wanted nothing to do with Slytherin house, especially after discovering Voldemort was a member. For him, he wanted a low-key life, where he just got to be Harry without all of the attention.
I would also add that it was just the final straw for Lily. She had cut him a lot of slack over the years, and him turning on her because he was humiliated and she defended him was too much. She couldn’t make anymore allowances for him, especially when we consider that mudblood is as bad as racial slurs in their world. She probably made excuses for him when people wondered why they were friends, especially given how he did look down upon muggles and muggleborns.
@@Mia_M good reading of it
"We're in Utah, there's some worse names here."
One of my teachers told me about a woman who named her kids Oranjello and Lemonjello. After her two favorite flavors of jello.
So, can confirm. We have terrible names in Utah.
Hahaha, seriously, wtf is wrong with these people...!? XD
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Wow, Oranjello? That's very similar to what my 8 year old little sister named her new kitten. We call him Jelly, but originally he was Oranjellyumper. So that woman was literally naming her children what an 8 year old would call their pet cat.
That's an old, old, story.
Ouch 😖
I think the way Umbridge dresses, her obsession with the colour pink or the cat plates are not a mask at all, but rather they point to her own self perception; She doesn’t feel evil, she is the innocent one in her story following the “right path” and abiding by all the rules, living an orderly and appropiate lifestyle and reconducting those who deviate from it. She is doing others a service by helping them be “better”. To me the most dangerous people are those who do horrible things with a clear consciousness.
Ya they think they are doing good. Actually the death eaters too
Something something something "The most evil oppressors are the ones who oppress with the consent of their consciousness. Even robber barons may sleep, but people who think they are doing good will never rest."
Interesting echo to today, when so many are chomping at the bit to create a two tier society, to deny people work, access to services because of a medical choice. Very revealing
Umbridge wearing Pink is pretty symbolic.
And this is why she, unlike Voldemort and most of his Death Eaters, can cast a patronus.
I think Harry's most important moment was discovering the man he admired and respected (his father) was a bully. Up until that moment Harry's view of the world was kinda black-and-white. Suddenly finding out his father bullied Snape made him understand just how easy it was to abuse power and how easy it was to justify that abuse.
Good point.
I'm glad you said that because I was just gonna flag it up & you beat me to it. 100% agreed !!!
“I wouldn’t like you to judge your father on what you saw there, Harry. He was only fifteen -”
“I’m fifteen!” said Harry heatedly.
And it helped him stop turning into Snape himself
@Sanjana Roy Lupin was not an exception, and Harry actually confronts him about this also in the last book. Lupin was constantly looking the other way and ducking out of situations in which he should have stayed and helped. All of his choices were driven by low self esteem, feeling like a burden, and not wanting to “rock the boat”. Lupin himself even brings up his character flaws a few times and is basically like look I’m not catching heat for these crappy things that happened because I kept my head down and stayed out of the way, but my keeping my head down is WHY I deserve some blame. Compare Lupin to Neville, for example, who is commended for his bravery in standing up to his friends. Lupin just always wanted to be a Nice Guy and fit in.
The story about John’s mom is incredible. What a smart, kind, and wonderful woman. Sending my thoughts to her today wherever she is.
In God's house. May she rest in peace.
Yes, she sounds like the most pure, kind and loving woman. It takes a very special person to do what she did.
I would LOVE a psychology of a hero series for some of the more “minor” characters: luna lovegood, neville longbottom, molly weasley, the list goes on..!
Or to look at the concept of fate vs creating your own destiny through the lens of the prophecy.
In any case more harry potter please!!!
Sirius Black deserves some analysis. He was like Draco - child of pureblood fanatics who tried to make him in their image, but he rebelled and finally escaped when he was 16 and taken in by the Potters. In the novel we meet the portrait of Sirius' horribly abusive mother, Walburga, who taught Kreacher to hate anyone not pureblood or who didn't espouse pureblood supremacy.
I think an examination of mentorship through Harry Potter could also be really interesting! A look at who affected and taught this orphan and what influences they had exactly on building him into the person who was able to defeat his nemesis
Dumbledore and Hagrid videos pretty please!
YES
Professor Treelawney's prediction referred to TWO boys,but only one of them was marked by Voldermort. If he went after the Longbottoms himself, Neville would have been the "Chosen One",as he and Harry's birthday are very close, and both of their parents thwarted Voldermort 3x.
I believe the pink has a further meaning, it's meant to be so extravagant, so over the top, that it's unbearable, like emptying an entire bottle of perfume at once, it's overwhelming and suffocating, toxic, even, just like anything else that's taken too far.
I totally agree! I could never figure out how to put it into words.
Wow! Well articulated! I have it on the top of my head and can’t put it into words but you said it. Pink is also the stereotypical color for women. It is kind of weird as to how she thinks she is at the top yet still follow the set ideals put into the society. It shows how she is a really strict person, follows the rules all the time, yet abuse it in order to feel significant. It would be amazing if they tell us her backstory, if she even has one.
@@swagwanhyung8413 yeah, she is upholding everything that represents the social structures she used to get to power. Everything needs to be neat, clean and orderly. Everything needs to be acceptable. Pink is considered a very sweet colour, a colour that ist "acceptable" or "ministry approved". She is not rocking the boat, but cementing the anchor firmly in the one single Spot that is "correct". Because that will keep her in Power.
That's a beautiful analogy!
Possibly, pink is right in the middle between red, a color of anger and fury and white, which is seen as innocent and pure. She plays both sides.
3:30 Behind the scenes confirms that Petunia was always jealous that Lily had powers and she didn't, in the books we find out she actually wrote to Dumbledore asking him why she couldn't go there as well, his reply was very kind but very clear, she couldn't come because she didn't have any powers. She felt overtone by Lily and felt overlooked by her parents ("But as for my mother and father, oh it was just Lily this and Lily that they were PROUD of having a witch in the family!) and because of that she started calling her a freak to her face as well as behind her back. Because she felt like her parents didn't love her she's overly affectionate with Dudley, and she thinks she's being a loving, doting, caring mother, and doesn't realise that all she's done is raise a fat, spoiled, lazy, arrogant, stupid bully (in the book whenever he gets a bad mark from school she insists "that Dudley was a very gifted boy whose teachers just didn't understand, while Uncle Vernon would just say he didn't want some swotty little Nancy-boy for a son anyway" and whenever the school reports on his bullying other children she just says "he's a boisterous little boy but he wouldn't hurt a fly") deliberately closing her eyes to her sons faults and basically damaging him as he's never experienced not getting what he wants or having to wait, ask, or even work for something, he's just gotten it all so he'll basically grow up not realising that the outside world won't treat him like that.
Her jealousy is also the reason why she treats harry like that, jealous that he also has powers, that there's a whole community who has powers like "that Potter at that school", that she still hasn't gotten over the fact that her sister had powers while she didn't, but she also bullies him because his existence is a daily reminder to her that her sister is dead and that her sister died before they could make peace and that the reason they couldn't make peace was because she couldn't let go of the past (even though I'm sure she denies that).
Love these insights. Yeah, the relationships are super deep and well-drawn, especially in the novels. Petunia is such an underrated, rich character. Not that she's a great person, but there's a lot there in that story. I love Dudley's change of heart once Harry saves his life.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I wanna just point out that maybe she IS aware that Dudley's a monster, only she's afraid to admit it to herself and afraid of the knowledge that she's a bad mother.
Remember when Harry pulls a summer of threatening Dursley with magic at his 2nd year? There is NO WAY Petunia didn't know that he couldn't use magic while still underage. Maybe she felt guilty and thought that her son needs to fear Harry to better hismeslf?
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This also includes Dudley in the first part of the Deathly Hallows. When he was attacked by a dementor, he saw himself for how he acted. For those who haven’t seen the deleted scene, Dudley walks up to Harry and says “I don’t think you’re a waste of space.” I found that very meaningful and I wish they kept that in the movie along with the scene with Petunia talking about her sister in a melancholy tone. Both Dudley and Petunia, have changed and I love that. They were no longer bullies. Though I can’t say the same about Vernon.
Also while she resented her sister, Petunia never joined Marge's bully, in fact, she seemed kind of horrified with the comments she made.
@@annieweasley3339 I didn’t notice that. I’ll have to go back to Prisoner of Azkaban and see
Something I’ve always noticed was that Harry’s go to fighting spell is Expelliarmus. He never wants to harm the person he’s fighting, he just wants to disarm them. (Yes he used Sectumsempra against Malfoy but he didn’t know what it would do.)
I LOVE that you mentioned that bullying isn't JUST at school.... And saying that it's"in marriage". It's so true.
Umbridge isn’t the type of bully to be pitied or understood she’s a horrible abusive monster who hurts people cause she like hurting them just thought I should put that here
Oh, she's terrible. The pity, in our opinion, comes in seeing that she's miserable and, like Voldemort, she'll never know friendship or love. Pity replaces hate or fear, not because she deserves it, but because those emotions can consume the victims. But yeah, she deserves a special level of hell.
All the bulkies i ever had in life look way more like Umbridge than Snape, to use another character. I deeply hate them both (even tho i think they're exceptional characters), but Umbridge, especially, has to burn
Bruh, she’s a dictator. She doesn’t care unless someone agrees on her views, she hurts others who think differently.
@@CinemaTherapyShow What would it take for someone like Umbridge or Voldemort to change into a character like Harry?
That is why she is a weak character to be honest. Most of the evil characters have either some form of redemption or we can see how they ended up as they did. Even entirely evil characyers like Voldemort and Bellatrix have clearly dysfunctional or non existent family situations which not excusing them does explain them. Umbridge is just a bit too 2 dimensional.
Harry Stands up to Draco because he's not standing up for himself. He's standing up to the first person his age who's shown him genuine kindness, Ron.
I love that in the books the first scene with Draco and Harry, Harry learns that he doesn't like Draco much, not because he insults Ron, but because he insults Hagrid, which at that point is the first adult person that has ever been kind to him. The scene with Ron and Draco just affirms this and my heart goes crazy every time I think about it
That was bloody brilliant. Amazing!! I have renewed appreciation for HP because of this...
Yeah I also think Harry found it easier to stand up to someone his age. Dudley was a bit older right? But he also was a part of the family that has so much power over his life (food, shelter, other necessities).
@@grosebud4721 yeah! Tho Dudley is like a month or so older than Harry if I remember correctly, he still has a lot to hang over his head like his parents providing shelter etc!
One of my favorite "Harry standing up for his friends" moments is in Philosopher's Stone. Neville is almost crying because Draco Malfoy has been bullying him, and he feels he's not brave enough to be in Gryffindor. Hermione urges Neville to report Malfoy, and Ron tells him he should stop letting people walk all over him. But Harry just gives Neville some chocolate and lets him know that he definitely deserves to be in Gryffindor. It's a great message to send to kids. That maybe victims of bullying might just need a few words of kindness and reassurance that they are not worthless in order to give them confidence. Ron and Hermione advise though well-intentioned didn't really help Neville in any way. But Harry's few words of kindness and encouragement gave Neville so much confidence, he actually stood up to Malfoy quoting Harry's words to him and took on Crabbe and Goyle single-handed.
I like Dudley's transformation especially. I forgot who made the video on it but someone pointed out how essentially the moment he met those Dementors he began his transformation.
It was like background development, when he was met with everything horrible about himself and his life and he basically began to shift his perspective from there.
Apparently after both Dudley and Harry made their own families, they visited each other annually or something, to allow their kids to play with each other. And I like that. The fact that Dudley and Harry didn't necessarily become super close afterwards but they had a mutual understanding and respect for each other, staying in each other's lives despite how badly they had started off.
Also, I hate that they removed the scene where Harry is confronted by his aunt and they basically have a moment where she admits that she did in fact love her sister and grieve for her despite their distance. It was a moment of admitting that she did care even if she failed Harry miserably. Sometimes people do terrible things, but that doesn't mean they're evil, it just means they've lost their way.
also in the books dudley didn't want to leave harry. he didn't understand why they were leaving without him which suggested concern for harry who he tormented for years growing up. he had a lot of character growth that unfortunately got overlooked
At the end Dudley learn to be better than his parents after everything that has happened and Harry did saved him in Book 5. Dudley change a lot.
I actually hate the scene with the aunt. The entire series, she has been nothing but hateful. But now suddenly she feels bad about the sister? The freak? The monster who was loved more by mommy and daddy. The aunt doesn't deserve it
Alan is such a gentle giant! Him showing authentic emotion gets me every single time 😭
Harry: Yes...
Snape: Yes sir.
Harry: There's no need to call me sir professor.
-The Half-blood prince
Legendary
Oh, how I howled!
Harry Potter and the Abundance of Sass
Best line ever !
@@RozWBrazel I definitely need that spin off 🤣
Honestly , everone hated Snape so much until Alan Rickman got cast into that role. And he just played him in such a perfect grumpy way that one enjoyed him as a character, and suddenly everyone was on the Snape fan-train. Alan Rickman was just too loveable.
Obviously you didn't read much fanfiction before the movies started coming out, lol.
Plus they took out a lot of Snape's asshole moments from the books. Which I think was a good decision in hindsight.
I'm guilty of that. I first watched the film before reading the book (first one). It was Alan Rickman's fault I loved Snape so much and felt bad about it reading the books.
There is an argument to be made that Snape's portrayal by Alan Rickman and changes in the adaptation made Film!Snape a completely different character from book!Snape, i think.
It's interesting that the first book to be released after the first film came out was Order of the Pheonix, which is the book where we first see Snape being bullied by the Maurauders.
Something else that's important to note is how Harry also grew up in a household without love and yet he never became a bully (only in the 5th book when he was suffering from Depression). Being able to break the cycle is really powerful stuff
When was Harry a bully in the 5th book?
@@Furienna He wasn't an outright Bully yes but he had become extremely aggressive often Lashing out on his friends and others. He had developed a temper problem that got him into a lot of trouble.
@@ruturajshiralkar5566 Which was only understandable considering the circumstances.
In the book Malfoy says: "or he'll kill my family," big difference and huge insight into how much of a role his family played in making him 'evil'
Edit: Managed to start a debate about how the Adams Family and the Draco Family differ in morals.
Exactly. All his motivation is about his family. He's evil because he loves his family- it's an interesting paradox how love created evil. If he didn't love his family, he'd be able to judge for himself. However, he can't dissociate his bigotry because it's so intertwined with the love of his family. He's evil because his family is evil, and he and his family genuinely love each other
@@Tareltonlives So they're addams family
@@Arguing.With.Idiots. Don't you insult the Addams family like that
More like the Mansons
I remeber in deathly hallows where Voldemort is asking ppl to join him or die. Draco doesn't want to go. He sees what Voldemort is doing and the difference Harryvis making. It's his parents that teach him to submit to Voldy and follow him out of fear
I always said that the only reason Umbridge never had a Dark Mark on her despite her OBVIOUS loyalty to Voldemort was because he refused to allow her to get it in pink.
Lmao
Facts.
@@nharber9837
V: I am NOT letting you have one in "pink cat", Dolores! 😂🤣
I don't think she's loyal to him at all. She just really, really _loves_ the cruelty she can enact. That's why she's horrifying. To her all the awful things she does, and under Voldemort's rule is _encouraged_ to do, is _right._ In her head she's the good guy, nothing is wrong with tormenting people, to the point that she can make a full Patronus (which requires positive emotions and even love) while abusing someone. She's a complete sociopathic sadist who's just been put in a spot where she thrives.
Umbridge doesn't need a Dark Mark. She doesn't even have to like or know Voldemort is pulling the strings.
She just needs victims.
@@Verbose_Mode if a criminal minds parody for the Harry Potter world existed umbridge would be a season finale on the last 2 episodes, with a follow-up on the first episode of the next season and (if she survived and was jailed) a further follow-up episode enlisting her "help" to catch a copycat or fan of hers.
“Snape’s a professor, he’s taller, he’s meaner...”
“His clothes are blacker...”
His cape game is stronger
@Who needs profile Pictures Really? lmfaoo
In visual language, that kind of thing matters.
Hey, it's difficult to prevent fading! 😩
Please do a video on friendship! Especially how having Ron on his side from day 1, and Hermione later, gives Harry so much more strength and shapes his personality for years to come. Ron's friendship to Harry is challenged a few times in the series but he never leaves.
I think that one of the most important things to remember when talking about stuff like this, is: if a bully (or anyone for that matter) has problems at home or has bad things they have to deal with, it's not an excuse; it's an explanation.
There is absolutely no obligation for you to feel sorry for or forgive someone who's hurt you, just because their dealing with their own sh*t. They were fully responsible for their own actions, even if they had reasons behind them.
There's actually a trope in stories that outlines this as well - something like "The villain became a villain because this happened; the hero became the hero because they went through the same thing, but changed for the better."
I know he’s supposed to be unfair, but it ALWAYS grinds my gears SO BAD when in the first movie Harry is taking NOTES on what snape is saying, so clearly he’s paying attention, and yet he claims Harry ISNT paying attention. That part always makes me SO mad because that was ME IN CLASS, I would feverishly write notes out of anxiety, so to say he wasn’t paying attention is unfair and it always hits me personally when I see that scene.
I was always like "Look at the paper! Snatch the paper and read it, like the overbearing teacher you are! You will be pleasantly surprised and life will be a lot easier for everyone!"
I think that's the point, Snape hates Harry without having tried to understand him.
I had the same experience because of having a teacher who screamed at everyone despite any of the students having anxiety or IEP
I hope you're doing better now :)
@@plushy_doctor2299 which person?
"At the beginning arry was just trying to keep his head down"
Harry: "Sassing the shit out of the Dursleys"
lol he found a way out and he took it
"You can't use magic outside of school"
"yeah? try me"
Its in his way showing that he isnt their slave...well,at least not fully.
*this*
Sassy/Book Harry is the best Harry.
Uncle Vernon: What were you doing under our window?
Harry: Listening to the news.
Vernon and Petunia: Again?!
Harry: Well it changes every day, you see.
There was also a thing Snape never got over - James Potter saved his life. And Snape could never forgive him this, cause he couldn’t stand to owe him anything. And that’s also a reason why he protects Harry, he wants to kinda give it back to James so he doesn’t owe him anything anymore and could just hate him again.
Not true. James Potter "saved" his life which was put into danger by him in the first place. The only reason he decided to switch sides & protect Harry because of his guilt of causing Lily's death. He doesn't care about about james, he didn't care about Harry in the begining but definitely grew to care about him in the end (his conversation with Dumbledore in the memory suggest so).
@@angelyuqi6709 James didn't put Snape's life in danger. That was Sirius, once Sirius told James what he did James raced down to rescue Snape. A fairer point would be that saving Snape meant he was also saving Remus so it was less noble and more about protecting his friend.
I think it's important to distinguish the Dursleys as abusive, not bullying. Abuse victims deal with different things than people were bullied. And I'd like to also note that one or the other isn't better or worse. They're just different.
Bullying is abuse
@@PcCAvioNbullying from peers is not the same as someone abusing power over others, psychologically or ethically
Draco was a bully because he had no control over his own life. His only "friends" were ones he could control. That's why he was almost overwhelmed when Harry saved him. "Why would you do that for me? I treated you so badly." Especially when you got to know his father who had less and less 'pull' as the series went on. Lucius was just so pristine and 'blonde' in Chamber and he got rattier and rattier until Deathly Hallows, after being in Azkaban, he was like someone who slept on a park bench.
I never hated Draco, he's such a well written character. He seems so mean in the first few movies and books but then we find out why and he has a huge redemption arc. He never wanted to do any of those things. I feel bad for him and honestly, he's my favorite character. He's so well written and is just misunderstood and is abused himself.
It could be because I'm a Hufflepuff though. I sympathize too easily 😂
@Zayalla Fantasy I’m so glad people here (at least some) don’t think Draco was a bully. I mean, he was, but he was to be pitied. Not hated.
@Zayalla Fantasy EXACTLY
EXACTLY
If you ever get to see the stage play “The Cursed Child” you’ll understand Draco even better, and his son Scorpius is wonderful.at the end of the show there are three different children who could be the cursed child!
Feel like Harry could have squeezed “Hagrid” into that long ass name for his kid. Just saying
Hagrid was definitely more brave than Snape. Albus Rubeus Potter or Albus Hagrid Potter are way better than what he went with.
@@Black-Swan-007 I don’t knooooooow. Hagrid’s brave but being an undercover agent is straight up one of the bravest things you can do. I could never.
@@Ergoperidot Snape was only undercover because he was obligated, not because he really wanted to be. Hagrid rescued baby Harry from the mess in Godric's Hollow, rescued Harry from the Dursleys on his 11th birthday, bought him an owl, was the first person to be kind to Harry that Harry could remember. So many, many things Hagrid did for Harry. He loved him like a son. And instead Harry names his kid after the guy who called his mom a racial slur and pouted for 20 years because she didn't choose him.
But Hagrid isn't dead. His children's names pay respect (and love) to those who have died in the fight against Voldemord and personally meant a lot to Harry.
@@masatiselj8777 "But Hagrig isn't dead"
Touche. That's a fair point!
Perhaps Harry Potter's "saving people thing" is rather a subconscious attempt to heal from his own abuse in earlier years. He had the desire and need to be secure and safe and loved and defended from bullies and he attempts to save others from bullies and danger because he didn't have that and he is trying on some level to fix that. He could also feel the need to save others to ignore and suppress his own childhood pain.
I love every single time Alan cries. To see the emotion in his eyes every time is as beautiful as to see someone laughing. There is so much beauty in human emotions, we shouldn't hide it.
“I have thoughts as a therapist, but I’m interested in your ideas as a person.”
The subtle implication that therapists aren’t people
lmao
I get what you mean, I also get what he means. A therapist shouldn think objectively, and as a living being, he thinks subjectively. Part of being a mentally stable and operational therapist is to separate both identities to prevent clouding of judgement between his personal life and work. But it does sound like that. XD
He means as a person who hasn't had any education in psychology and who is unbiased.
@@ip1136 No shit that's what he meant lmao. The OP was joking.
Nah we're actually lizard people
I love having people analyze my favorite films like this, on a psychological level. You guys are doing great, I’m glad I found this channel!
We’re glad you found us too!
HECK YEAH!!
ditto
Yeah - I’m seeing these movies in a new way and deeper level! ❤️ it!
Agreed
I think she caught real kittens and imprisoned them in those tea plates. Look at how some seem to be trying to get out.
No wonder the kittens sounded distressed.
Strange though that Umbridges Patronus was/is a cat. 🤔
@@karmaalstad5588 Well cats only look nice and cut but they are predators. Did you ever see one toy with a mouse? -(I love cats just stating a fakt.)
@@sawanna508
I know.
In this age where J.K.Rowling has made a lot of public mistakes and we are picking apart all the story's failings, which it does have, it's really nice to remember all the special things that made Harry Potter an integral part of so many people's childhoods.
How is transphobia a mistake, exactly?
@@nevaehhamilton3493 how is transphobia NOT a mistake
@@user-rt2qb2cl3t transphobia is a CHOICE. A choice that she proudly made.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 just because she "proudly" made the choice to be a fucking transphobe doesn't suddenly make it ok
@@nevaehhamilton3493why
"for a lot of fans she's worse than Voldemort". Well of course she is
Voldemort whole mission, was to kill her . and he failed .
Exactly
I absolutely HATE Umbridge!
If you don’t hate Umbridge more than Voldemort, you’re living in sunshine and rainbows.
But still not as bad as Malfoy and Snape
"He's just a little person"
It's called a child
Yes but doesn't little person just sound 100 times better? 😂
He means "little" in not a physical way.
Children are people too
And little people exist too !
There's one thing worse than a rapist
Being kind to bullies is so so difficult. Harry makes amazing growth throughout his journey.
That anecdote about Jonno’s bully shocked me. What a mom.
Ah but Harry acts so different in the books! He doesn’t take Snape’s shit at all.
“I don’t know,” Harry said quietly, “but I think Hermione does. Why don’t you try her?”
My opinion, I think this is still avoidance and deflecting it to someone else.
They did film that and it's in the extended cut, also in deleted scenes. I think it was only cut for film length.
Yeah unfortunately being cheeky was a great way to entrench in Snape's eyes himself as the second coming of James Potter.
Also "There's no need to call me Sir professor" I remember at the time I laughed so hard it gave me an asthma attack.
@@Deeomi That was very late though.
alan: "the sound design was perfection"
voldemort: eeeeYAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
but it's the most perfect eeeeyaaaaaah
It was the best eeeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh that I've ever heard though
Ralph Fiennes does that in the Prince of Egypt as Ramses. It's when he is leading his troops down the hill towards Moses and co. after he parts the Red Sea. GOTTA SAY... really breaks my immersion in the scene. Then again a fire tornado comes out of nowhere right after so who cares lol
Cant forget Voldies famous NYEEEHEEHEE
"Harry Potter is dead. Eh heh heh."
Thing about Severus and Lily, I don't think it was really all that much that she fell in love with the bully instead of him and he couldn't do anything about it. In the book it made it look like her love came later for one thing, after he managed to mature a bit. But another very big thing is that it kind of looked like he had a chance and blew it, letting himself go deeper and deeper into the darkest parts of his House's views until, out of instinct and/or to maintain his face among his "friends", he called Lily a Mudblood right to her face. His isn't so much the story of a man whose love was doomed because the girl loved his bully as that of a man whose choices and mistakes shattered any hope he ever had of being with her.
The beginning parts of Harry’s experience with the Dursleys is VERY Roald Dahl. 🥰
I really miss all the sarcastic one-liners Harry put out in the books when addressed by the bully characters. The one thing I miss in the films.
But he also had some lines in the movies that weren't in the books, like the famous "I'm sorry professor, I must not tell lies" in the 5th one when the centaurs take Umbridge in the Forbidden Forrest.
He is such an OP character... so badass... but I felt like they made him kinder in the film versions. He had his moment so it’s okay i guess... he is the MC afterall
@@swagwanhyung8413 Agreed. He's kind in the books too, but he definitely has douchey moments as well. Unlike movie Harry, book Harry is my favorite character. He's a lot more interesting because you get a better sense that he's just a kid who's in way over his head. Movie Harry is calmer and more mature. Whereas in the books there are moments where he makes mistakes and throws temper tantrums, but despite that he still has good intentions and would risk his life for his friends. He's way more realistic in the books.
Nah, if there's one thing I wish the movies had included it would be the twins basically blowing up the school when Umbridge is there and then just ditching XD
@@wolfishpotato6978 wait wha...i thought that was in the movies? It's one of my fav scenes i can't have this wrong surely
Don't forget HP taught us that it takes bravery to stand up to your enemies, but even more so to your friends.
"sorry Neville" :')
I, like Harry, found that standing up for others was good practice -a good learning ground -for learning how to stand up for myself.
By building the self worth found in being a champion of others, I eventually found that I thought well enough of myself to see that I was one of the people worth fighting for too.
Voldemort is a general villain, he doesn't care about the individual so much as the group. Umbridge is a personal villain. She goes for the individual, and makes it her personal goal to put you down.
Honestly, I have no issue with the idea of Harry's compassion for Snape evolving to a sort of respect for his bravery. He did risk his life and save Harry's many times over. But where JK lost me was the bit about him naming his son after him, middle name or no. Respecting a man's bravery doesn't mean you want to immortalize him in your own legacy. Snape was an objectively horrible person who only did good things out of a (depending on your interpretation) sick obsession with an object of his desire. He couldn't let go despite being rejected. And let's not forget that Snape wasn't rejected by Lily because Lily started seeing James, he was rejected because he called her a Mudblood. He essentially used a racial slur against her and she decided in that moment that he was clearly beyond help. She had still been his friend after she started dating James, she still wanted to be in his life, he was the one who wrecked that, he only blamed James so he didn't have to take responsibility himself for ruining the only good relationship in his life. He was a grown man who regularly humiliated and bullied children, not just Harry but a lot of them, and even what good he did for Harry wasn't because he personally valued Harry's life but because Harry was the last piece of Lily that was left, and he was still obsessed with her.
Apologies for the rant but the "redemption" of Snape is a sore spot for me. He was not redeemed just because he loved Lily, too many of his abhorrent actions had no connection to his cover or his relationship with her, a lot of it was just him being an asshole.
I am in the exact same boat. There is nothing that excuses Snape's behaviour. Yes he was bullied, and the things that James did was horrifying. But I was bullied too, and if I met my childhood bully I wouldn't immediately show hatred, and moreso if I taught her CHILD I wouldn't decide that I will make that child's life hell. In Harry's case, he wasn't even LIVING with the bully Snape had to deal with. He's literally a horrible person to multiple students for no reason. The only other reason I could think of was to make Voldemort believe that he was on his side, he had to be pretty foul in general. But even that's a stretch. He could be strict and even a bit unfair, but some of the things he did to Harry is absolutely atrocious for a grown man, and everyone is supposed to forgive him because he had a hard-on for Harry's mother? Nah, not worth naming your kid after, Harry you weirdo. Why not let Ginny name a kid anyways? All of their kids are obviously named by Harry only.
I AGREE!!!!
I feel like the overarching moral of Harry Potter (and this video) is that being able to empathize with someone is not the same as giving them a free pass. Snape can be both the bravest person Harry knew (and I do think that's true) and have done awful things that Harry can be rightfully upset about.
@@Metherine26 I saw an interesting idea on why harry named his kid after Dumbledore and Snape. Both of these men have no legacies after them. They have no family and no children that will carry on their names after they die. This could be why he didn't name one of them after Remus because he has a son that will carry on his name after his death. Thus he thought he had the moral obligation to do it with these two highly flawed men who played an integral role in his life for better or worse.
There are of course some holes to poke in this like why didn't he name a child after Hagrid considering what he did for him, but it was an interesting idea that could fit in with Harry's hero complex and morals
@@hillarydimig4851 The problem is, at least as I see it, many people in the series, THAT HARRY KNEW, were far braver, and were better people than Snape. While I understand using Albus, Dumbledore was his closest mentor and one of his first real father figures, and I can understand not using Remus or Fred (letting Teddy and George have those make sense), however, he could have used, for example, just off the top of my head, Alastor (for Moody), Rubeus (for hagrid) or Regulas (will check spelling, but Sirius' brother) for Albus' middle name, and honored someone who didn't spend a decent part of their adult life bullying children. (sorry for any caps, i don't know how to underline or italicize, otherwise i would have done that)
My childhood bully is currently in jail for assaulting his girlfriend and biting and ripping her nose off her face.
Some people are just f*cking violent and evil.
okay but--what the fuck? ripping nose off????
Wtf....
Like throwing acid on a woman's face, he wanted her to be undesirable and unloved. For many men it's the ultimate power trip and maybe worse than killing a young woman.
he needs Jesus. you can walk really far into darkness which makes that sort of act seem fun to you, if you are worshipping Satan... I know cause I was raised by Satanists. I'm glad I still have a face. They did los of things to injure my face and the rest of my body...fortunately I still have my nose and ears. :) though my mom kept trying to cut off my ears when I was a child...she wasn't trying to remove my nose, just punch my nose a lot so I would bleed. I fought her every time she started cutting my ears with scissors so I got to keep them, but not without a fight. CPS never helped me :(
@@lemurlover7975 I'm so sorry you had to go through that! I hope you are ok now and I am glad you found God. :)
Death should be a theme explored in a future Harry Potter video. Harry has had lots of loses and deals with just like we all do with deceased loved ones. It would be a great theme to explore. Also, depression would be a good one too. The Dementors are basically an allegory for depression and how Lupin teaches Harry how to battle it is similar to how a therapist helps his client overcome their depression in the real world.
Well said!
as a therapist in training, this channel has helped me understand some concepts that my class doesn't and has given me examples for projects and clients to examine. Thank you for sharing. I love this channel!
That's so cool! Thanks for watching!
"Clearly, Hermione knows, seems a pity not to ask her." Really wished they'd kept this in for the theatrical version.
Me, too. I had only ever seen the extended version, but saw a theatrical re-release and was sad this part was gone.
the dursleys did not bully, harry was severely abused. theres not enough talk about that.
Emotionally? Yes. Physically? I don’t know. I can’t remember if that was ever established.
@@mellemadswoestenburg1296 they locked him up in a closet, starved him, gave him no appropriate clothes, mentally abused him. But they didnt beat him up. Thats the one thing they didnt do, everything else was.
@@enneki929 yep. I think that’s worse.
@@enneki929 Dudley and his gang beat him up...and Vernon pulled his hair...and I wont ne surprised if Harry got a few smacks here and there
Bullying is, by it's nature, abusive.
The whole part about Harry never talking back to his bullies but always stands up to his friends is so beautiful 🥲 chefs kiss to the greatest story ever written 🤌🏽
harry inspires me because despite all the shit he's received from multiple sources throughout his life he somehow musters so much compassion for others and even has the courage to stand up for people
Wonderful fact: the kittens that appear in the saucers in Umbridge office were all homeless that they immediately found homes for after filming ♥️
the best fact of my day
🥺💖
omg really? That made my day
I think Umbridge infuriates people because she exemplifies the unfairness of the world. Her actions represent dangerous, systemic, and abstract concepts like fascism and government censorship, but also remind us of personal slights we've all experienced due to an imbalance of power. Like when adults (or whoever's in charge) doesn't believe you and completely overrides your truths.
Just like snape
@@Tareltonlives ...not really "just like Snape"; Snape's *obviously* mean; Umbridge's meanness is *sneaky*, hidden under that "sweetness". She gets away with a LOT of subtle or hidden abuse.
@@tracy4290 True. She pretends she's not like Snape when she really is the same
@@tracy4290 Snape is mean. He gets away with a fair bit of abuse too. He found ways to dock points from students, to continuously punish Harry for basically existing. While Umbridge holds more power in the scheme of things, she and Snape are cut from the same cloth in terms of how they wield their power.
y'all mentioned Harry's experience with Umbridge, I would just like to say that in the books, Harry keeps his head down and bears through it, because Umbridge has all of the power. At this point, Harry has experience with people who want to manipulate him for their own purposes. He knows if he speaks out it will only serve her purpose of discrediting him. It actually says several times in the book that he is determined to not give her the satisfaction.
Not sure if they were going this way in the film, since they never said it, but yeah🤷♀️
When Allen was upset
Johnathan: “I love you man. This is beautiful.” and turns to him. THAT WAS SO GENUINE AND SWEET! ❤
13:00 A thing to consider: we value standing up to bullies in media, but we punish it in real life. People don't have protagonist vision of you and they don't understand all the things that led to that moment.
If I swing back at the bully, I'm forcing them to (finally) be on equal ground to me. And then from an outside perspective, we're two people fighting, not one person standing up to the other.
It's one of the many ways that the Fundamental Attribution Error hinders society's ability to help the suppressed.
In media we also punish it
I've heard far too many stories where bully victims stand up to their bullies, and the school's policy forces administration to punish BOTH of them. Either let yourself get beat up, or get suspension. So infuriating.
@Dr. Diofenshmirtz I forgot condemning bullies and Nazis was a punishable crime. I forget this is the internet.
@Dr. Diofenshmirtz curse you perry the platypus!
Can confirm, even if you get fed up, the one who 'won' gets punished and it's usually the one who decided they weren't gonna get beat up anymore.
loving someone's mother is not a good enough excuse for bullying and degrading countless children. snape abused his position of power over his students to abuse them, and it's disgusting.
I think you're missing the point. It doesn't excuse his actions, nor does snape's situation excuse his. There is no excuse for bullies, but realizing what's going on and connecting with them to try and help, or at the very least stand up to them is what Harry does when he sees how loving Draco's mother is.
I don’t think they were saying. That it wasnt, if that’s what you’re implying?
A good enough excuse lmao. Is there a good excuse for bullying. Don't be so shallow and self righteous. Understand the point they were making.
@@nharber9837 Interesting idea and well worth thinking on, that Harry harboring a horcrux/being one may have affected Snape. I do agree though that it never excuses Snape's awful behaviour to Harry or other students...he destroys Neville relentlessly for example. Still hung up on/obsessed with Lily, Snape it seems loves and hates Harry at the same time as Harry perpetually reminds him of what he lost and what could have been his. Still he sure needed to "get over it." Ugh.
if dumbledore had done for snape what he did for harry nothing would have happened (don't forget how james sexually abused him by placing him face down showing his underwear and then lili laughs at him)
Could you PLEASE do a video on how Harry does NOT have PTSD? I'm an LMHC, and I often get into discussions with people who insist Harry has PTSD or depression. When I dig deeper it seems like the reasoning is always "well, he MUST have it given all he's been through," rather than "Harry meets X number of diagnostic criteria." In fact, I presented at the annual Chestnut Hill Harry Potter conference about how Draco in book 6 actually meets most of the diagnostic criteria for depression, whereas Harry only ever gets kinda close in book 5 (with anger being a more common manifestation in adolescents).
Anyways, I would adore you both forever if you could use your platform to explain the importance of not trying to use "they suffered enough to meet my standard of what DESERVES a diagnosis" as a reasoning to diagnose a character. Thank you!
Hmm I think he meets several criteria of ptsd
@@CM-pf1xc Now I want to know which criteria those are.
Not that I don't believe you, but I must say that I've been surprised that he shows so few signs of PTSD (except that he shows a lot of understandable anger in book 5).
i would love to read more about this
Finally someone says that Snape was still wrong to bully Harry. Everyone seems to excuse it for his past with James, but it gives him no right to bully Harry.
Not to mention his past with James has nothing to do with the other kids, so he has absolutely no way to be excused for bullying Neville and Hermione and all the others.
Harry's compassion for Draco actually started when he saw him crying in Moaning Myrtle's bathroom. it started there for me too!
her? ^^
@@shydreameress264 edited lol
I think that Harry got a good idea of what kind of father Draco Malfoy had when Harry tricked Lucius Malfoy into giving Dobby that sock releasing him from bondage. Lucius Malfoy reared back starting to say the Killing Curse and was stopped by Dobby.
@@tanyawales5445 The Killing Curse attempt in Cos film was an improvisation by actor Jason Isaacs. In the Book there is no explicit mention of Killing Curse. Here he simply whips out his wand and advances towards Harry, but is thrown off by Dobby. But Harry did indeed start feeling sorry for Draco when Harry finds him crying in the Bathroom. He feels even more Sorrier in the final battle where he sees a Draco Malfoy, at his complete vulnerability (Harry instead choses to blame Snape entirely for Dumbledore's Death).
Accidentally almost killing him just after might have done it too.
What I noticed about the saying "Hurt people hurt people" applying to this situation is that in the books, it is shown that Harry's aunt Petunia hates Harry because he is the son of her sister, whom was beloved by her parents more than Petunia. She felt bitterness towards him because he was a representation of her sister, the favorite child. This almost mirrors Snape in a way...
Yeah, the movies shorted her character in the end. There was that very short moment between just her and Harry, which I think it helped reframe her as more than an evil aunt caricature. She's someone who was hurting and never got over the loss of her sister, nor the regrets she had for cutting off contact. She couldn't let go of the resentment towards Harry, but he's still her sister's only son and she doesn't want him in danger.
@@aden538 exactly. She's a very interesting character, in my opinion.
To me Pétunia is almost the same as Snape. It's kinda sad that fans admire like one of them and hate the other. Snape had a bigger redumption.
Exactly-like Snape she's evil, but that doesn't mean she's not a victim as well
I always thought petunia hated her sister, harry and magic because she didn't have it. She was not allowed to go to hogwarts.
I remember having a teacher in 5th grade. She was always the worst. I remember being one of the best students in her class when it came to science. But she also happened to teach math. She called me out for not listening once, and I was frozen. People made fun of me for it since "I couldn't even remember what 6+7" was, when in reality, I was frozen with fear and embarrassment. I'm going to be a teacher, but I'll never be like her. All she taught me was to not ask questions, to fear authority, and that I was stupid.
What a coincidence because when J. K. Rowling was in the 4th grade, she had an unpleasant teacher named Mrs. Morgan who partially inspired Snape.
I had a teacher who bullied me in 6th grade. I didn't know back then it was bullying, but I recognize it now. She was so unfair to me that classmates I reconnect with on FB over 30 years later bring it up - "Man, remember Mrs. C? She really hated you. What was that about?". It was so bad I get comments like that from people who weren't even in the same class or grade as me. There is something so evil about bullying a child who can do nothing to stand up to you. The first time I read the book with Umbridge, I would have to put the book down and walk away I was having such a visceral reaction. I finally stood up to her a couple weeks before school ended. She told me she did everything because she cared about me. I snapped. I yelled at her she didn't give a damn about me. It was the first time I cussed or yelled at an adult. I expected she would call my parents and I would end up in so much trouble - she called my parents almost every night and sent pink slips home with me almost as often. And I got in so much trouble at home every time. But she didn't. She didn't call my parents again or send another pink slip home. I did have to spend the last two weeks of school in the hall, watching the lessons through a crack in the door, but she finally stopped. It was a painful lesson that standing up to bullies is the only thing that will make them leave you alone.
"I thought I would be the crier of the two of us" "Have you met me?!" We love men openly showing emotions!
The hardest part of the loss of Lily's love was the fact that he did it to himself. Instead of appreciating the fact that Lily stood up for him, he turned on her and called her a Mudblood and that really hurt her.
Meaning Snape.....
Most of Snape's problems are his own fault
@@Tareltonlives His stupid father actually, a bully and also a muggle!
also he was the one who told Voldemort about the prophecy (without realizing it would lead him to Lily) so he lost her in life and in death, both times his fault, it's a very hard thing to get over, some people say he was obsessed with her but I think that he was just feeling a lot of guilty and remorse
James started the whole mess by Flipping Snape upside and humiliating him by forcing his pants down infront of a crowd. I don't absolve Snape of his mistakes, but I do feel that had James not bullied him, then Snape most probably would've turned out a lot better. Snape chose to become a Death Eater, primarily due to his desire to look cool (like James) & win back Lily. However this instead Repulsed Lily and in the end Snape chose to go his own way and Lily chose her own path.
About bullies.
I am the stange/wierd art kid sitting in the corner of the room with undiagnosed ADHD so i always had hard time making friends, but now i have become more confident i just instantly pity bullies. Mostly because why act like a jerk? You know those kids that act cool and their better than everyone but in reality they deep down hate themselves. I just hope it gets better.
PS
I will fight them if they fuck with me. It’s not my responsibility to change them as a person nor i have interest in that if they don’t acknowledge the fact they need help
I had a bully from elementary through middle school. I stood up to him only twice, and the bullying never continued. My mom saw him nearly a decade after we graduated, and he apologized to my mom for how he treated me. He never explained why (and my mom has never explained about his home life), but I think about that a lot. I think about how he could look back on those interactions and change from who he was into who he became.
"The most unfortunately named child-"
"I don't know, we're in Utah. There's some worse names here."
"...Yeah, you're right. I'll give you that."
GOLD!!!!
And clearly this was before they did Twilight. If Stephanie Meyer had written HP, the kid would have been named Albeverus. Severalb. Saelvbeursus.
Could you do a video about Harry Potter on how he was affected by child abuse?
Good idea!
@@CinemaTherapyShow Maybe you could also do a video about Loki, from the Marvel cinematic universe? That would be really interesting.
Especially with all of the warning signs with how Harry was living with the Dursleys. There are many things they do that would have qualified for Harry to be taken out of their house by CPS (mostly the warning signs of neglect and child maltreatment).
@@Ikajo omg yes a video about loki would be amazing
@@Lauren_210 I saw a German Harry Potter analysis video point out that the Dursleys didn't just make Harry live in the cupboard under the stairs, they also locked him in there (you can see it in a quick scene in the movie), and sometimes they closed the door's VENTILATION SLITS on him. They could have killed that boy.
Wow I really relate to Harry only standing up to his bullies when they’re attacking someone else. I was abused by a parent as a kid and never had the courage to stick up for myself to any bully. However I got in my first and only physical fight ever in my life when a bully was picking on my best friend at school. Witnessing it happen was almost more painful than it experiencing it directly.
It was before the pensive: Harry put his hand on Snape’s wound and looked at him with compassion before he even saw Snape’s memories.
My headcanon is that "Albus Severus" was actually named "Arthur Rubeus" 'cause Arthur Weasly & Hagrid was nearly as important to him as the other two and it sounds infinitely better.
He could definitely have called his son Remus too.
@@CallyEndra i think he saved Remus for Remus's son in the books
I’m in full support of this! Those two were indeed the most important male figures in his life. Arthur as a stable and loving father, Hagrid as a unflinchingly loyal and open minded friend.
Those two survived though, maybe he was more inclined to honor those who didn't survive by using their names instead (not that there weren't better choices, though)
@@princeofflowers8607 Yup! Teddy Remus Lupin
I think the moment with the werewolf, when he instinctively turns and shields them with his body, is another time we see some good in Snape.
Okay, it is true that Snape got an interesting backstory and was revealed to work for the good side after all.
But still, I will never get why Harry named his son after a sadist teacher.
plus is he supposed to be redeemed?? his pyscology is basically just "this 11 year old's now dead mother didn't ask me out in highschool even though i never told her that i was in love with her, instead she went on a date with a guy who asked her out, now i'm going to bully and verbally torture her orphan son with an abusive family"
@@tiahere8499 That is true, but there is fortunately more to Snape than that.
After all, he did work for the good side in the end (yeah, he only did that because of Lily's death, but still, he did help her son with defeating Voldemort).
Furthermore, I have to love that moment in the fourth book when he showed Fudge that his Death Eater mark was glowing (that was really badass).
And he didn't know that Harry had been abused too until the fifth book, so he thought that he had been just as spoiled as James had been until then.
But overall, Snape was definitely a morally grey character with many negative attributes.
And I'll never get why Harry named one of his sons after him after how he treated Neville and also Ron and Hermione to a lesser extent.
@@Furienna i understand that he hated james potter because he was a bully to him but why take that out on his son?? thats like beating up a british guy cause his great-grandpa was a racist
@@tiahere8499 I know, but it can be hard to let go off old grudges sometimes.
This is where Snape should have admitted that he couldn't be a professional teacher and asked Dumbledore to find him another job, but he didn't do that.
@@Furienna Where else would Snape have worked, though? If he'd been set up for a Ministry job, it would be much harder for him to be a triple agent, since he'd be working with Death Eater spies on a daily basis. Working for Gringotts as a curse-breaker wouldn't be particularly useful to Dumbledore and might tempt him to relapse into his obsession with the Dark Arts. Snape definitely doesn't have the affable personality needed to run a shop and keep regular customers happy either. No, as a Hogwarts professor, Dumbledore could keep him in line by dangling the DADA post as a reward. He'd be free to do some independent experiments with Potions, mentor exceptional NEWT students, and keep tabs on Death Eaters through their kids at school.
Also, Dumbledore is overcompensating for his own experiences at Hogwarts - none of his teachers ever told him he was anything less than brilliant/perfect/the best wizard of his generation. If he'd had a shred of humility upon graduating, he wouldn't been so taken by Grindelwald's plans for wizard domination of Muggles. And as far as Dumbledore knew, he was the only teacher who'd ever been suspicious of Tom Riddle - all the others were quite easily charmed by him. He knows that even if Harry isn't as brilliant as himself or Voldemort, a lot of the smartest and most ambitious kids of his year will want to be on Harry's side. He's the hero - the lone survivor. So they need to be run through the fire with a mercilessly strict, bitterly unfair teacher who will never praise their work no matter how exceptional it is. Hermione would've been laser-focused on racking up points for herself in Potions if Snape hadn't bullied Neville.
only just found this channel... just one question... how does one stop bingewatching these videos? I need to finish my work...
Jonathan here. I love this! Serious answer: let our channel be your incentive to finish your work. That is to say, when you finish your work, reward yourself with... us, I guess. It's awesome to think that someone sees us that way, lol. But this is what I do with my shows and movies. I set my tasks for the day, and when I'm done I reward myself with down time.
As a person currently prepping for finals... I am in the same boat as you 😂😂
You watch all the videos. As someone that also just discovered the channel there is no other way, lol.
Yeah I just can't stop as well. Idk how will I prepare for my damn exams...
They will always be here, but the undue work won't stay ungraded. just do your work 😭
I'm a trans man. For years I repressed everything on my life, my gender, my emotions, for years I couldn't cry. But now, I revel in my tears. For a while after coming out I was conscious of everything was I sitting masculinely did I move my hands like a girl? Then I realize I define my masculinity not the other way around. So cry bro. Don't hold back. It's important that we decide the men we are and get rid of the stereotypes.
Hugs ❤
I don't know you, but your journey seems to have come to a very healthy place! I wish you happiness and love in your life :)
Same case and totally agree with you. Always be proud of being able to shed tears.
"I define my masculinity, not the other way around." You put it beautifully ❤️ do not deny your own catharsis for someone else's comfort; you are a person too. Proud of you for your growth! Cry on friend!
Crying isn't something you should be happy about
My motto is “Hurt people, hurt people”. Both of them are verbs and always on loop.
"I constantly find myself making myself small." I can so relate to that. Growing up I was pretty much always the biggest kid in my class. Unless my best friend Dave and I were in the same class, then it was a question of which one of us happened to be the tallest that day. So I was always being told I had to be careful with the other kids, or that I was intimidating them when I didn't mean to. So I always tried to make myself smaller and less intimidating, except when I felt I really, really shouldn't. Like in fourth grade when halfway through the school year I changed schools. My first day at the new school I was slouched down at my desk trying not to be noticed when the school "tough guy" came up to me. I forget what all he said, but "shorty" was definitely uttered. So I stood up, and I'm sure to his perspective kept going up, and up until his head was level with my chest. As I leaned over him and asked "Who are you calling short?" you could hear gasps from all the other kids in the room. We might not have known the phrase "paradigm shift" in the fourth grade, but the kids at that school recognized one had occurred.
I honestly need to re-read this series as an adult. I feel like I can learn a few things.
Jonathan here. I'm reading it now with my kids. Yeah, it hits you differently at different stages of life, for sure.
i first read them when I was maybe nine, and I read them at least once a year. Now I'm 20 and in the ten or eleven years I read them, everytime I noticed thinks I didn't understand the year before. It's like growing up with the books, but the books grow too, because the older one gets, the more on understands about the maturer themes in this series.
I first read them when I was 8, and rereading the books as a 14-year-old, I really noticed many more things.
Honestly me too. There are many lessons in these series that I can use in my life.
I recommend Harry Potter and the Sacred Text - a super cool podcast!
When I found out that my bully had a bad home life, I did feel sorry for her. But it didn't mean that I then liked her. No, I understood why she was the way she was, and just went on being indifferent to her. I never thought of being friends with her or anything, I just thought well, that's awful, and I understand that negative stuff has to come out one way or another, and I guess it just depends on the person how they're going to react to it. I don't think it's right to be a bully, but I understand it and wish for things to be better for her.
Kind of how I think about Snape. And I guess it's just different, because this is fictional and I know his life story and all, and I feel like I have way too much empathy, and I really get frustrated when people just curse Snape and hate on him. Like, "Ew, a creepy evil guy who is obsessed with Lily! What a piece of s***!"
I know that he's not a nice man, he's not even mostly a good man. But he's not evil either. He's someone who has been through so much, and has gained little in his life. the way he is Isn't right, but it's understandable. What else is he supposed to cling to, when the only good thing in his life was Lily? He might not even be in the right state of mind anymore after everything he's been through. I could go on and on about everything he could have done, he should have done, what he could be, and what he should be, but that's how he is. That's how he was.
I don't have to like him, but I can understand him. I can feel compassion for him, wish for things to be better for him(though it's all too late for that). Maybe it's because of what I've been through, which I'll say is nowhere near that bad, but is in some form similar to what he does, and I understand, and I can be a little more forgiving.
Also, I just found your channel, and I am loving you guys and your content. I'm eager to watch more reviews on movies that I've watched. ^^ I wanna say more animated movies because I watch a lot of animated movies. >< I can't think of any topic in particular that I wanna know about, but if it's a movie I know, I'll most probably watch it and enjoy it. ^^
Such thoughtful thoughts! Snape is endlessly fascinating. I love your insights here. So glad you found us! Please tell your friends and share our stuff... you know, if you want to ;) We'll definitely keep animated movies in the shuffle moving forward!
I really can’t hate the guy cuz I always think that he is just some bizarre mysterious teacher until someone pointed out that he is a bully towards Harry and his friends. But I do agree that Snape has chose a wrong approach of unleashing his frustrations towards Harry because of James.
I understand that Snape can have a grudge against the Marauders since they bullied him but I don't think I can like Snape as a person. I get why he's like that, but it should never be an excuse to act like an a-hole.
Not only to the Golden Trio, but he tormented Neville to the point that the boy was so traumatized that he became Neville's boggart. All because Neville could've been the prophesized Chosen One and Snape fed his boss the info. Neville is like the living proof of his sin on Lily and he can't help himself. And not to mention, he joined a Neo-Nazi group and only left because Voldy killed Lily. I don't think he had ever renounce the mentality of blood purity.
That's my opinion of course, you can still like Snape if you'd like.
Snape's redemption doesn't come from his obsession for Lily. It comes because despite being a horrible, vindictive person he dedicated his life to fighting evil.
@@annabanana7659 I agree
I think that Harry stands up to Draco because he's finally able to do what he wishes had been done for him all along... He finally realizes he has the power to stop a bully. It's easier to advocate for someone else, to stand up to protect a person who is unable to defend himself.
Look at the scene where harry faces off with Snape in the main hall. The "how dare you stand where he stood" scene. If you look closely, shape deflects all the curses sent at him *into the other deatheaters*. He's managing to help even when it looks like he isn't.
I guess you wanted to talk about this subject with a specific angle but i think it would have been interesting to talk about Luna and Hermione. Because Harry and Ron, at the very beginning are also bullying Hermione. She doesn't have any friends because she's a little "know-it-all", Ron make fun of her, and they finally bond when they come to rescue her from the troll. After a time we meet Luna, and we discover that Hermione was also kind of bullying her, not actively but she uses that ridiculous nickname so she actually let that girl being bullied even though she knows how it is. I think it's so interesting to show that the hero is the one being bullied and becoming strong, the one protecting friends but can also be a bully (or let someone bullying) because he is not perfect.
The bullying of Luna is actually movie-Hermione only. In the books, Luna is introduced by Ginny, who is in her year and therefore knows her, on the train ride to Hogwarts. Not sure why the filmmakers decided to give that to Hermione, other than to save time.
Luna Lovegood! She really did get the nasty end of that one. Even her friends treated her oddly. It might be good for looking at how people can be different and still get along.
It's because Hermione is a borderline rationalist, and to her, Luna is basically, I don't know how they are called in English, but in Poland we say "foliarz" i.e. someone who believes in things like alt-med, vaccines being dangerous and similar stuff.
About Luna, still mad they didn't keep the scene (7th book) where we saw the ceiling drawing in her room with all her friends aka really dear people to her heart, and I felt that was the moment the trio fully realized how much they meant to her.
I would love to have a friend like her, helping me to see things from a different perspective with a very open heart, borderline naive tho
@@wanderlust9372 Luna's not naive though. She's open minded and different from others, but she is also perceptive and tough. She joined DA and went with Harry to rescue Sirius and what not. She has a way of looking at things that people fail to understand.. and honestly? That's their problem. Luna is awesome