The facts are most want big displacement but they are going away because of emissions requirements. So we know the choice will be taken away from us. I only buy mid sized GM trucks and the new GM gen 3 mid sized twins only offer the 2.7L turbo 4 cylinder so I hope it works great at towing 5-6K since it is rated to tow 7700ibs. We will see how they hold up. Thanks for the info.
Hey Steve, I have a trim/option question. I'm actually very interested in the 2.7T powerplant, yet I can't seem to choose between the 2.7 Custom Trail Boss and the 2.7 LT trail boss. From my understanding, there's no advantage in paying more for the Lt version since both trims seem to be completely left out in the options and packages department. From what I'm seeing, neither Custom or LT have selectable options without them (the site models builder) asking you to choose the two other engine options. It's like the 2.7 is left out in the options department. Only the little add-ons are available (block heater, bed covers). Nothing is available (such as safety package and towing packages and all the other goodies). Can you help me identify the issue here and recommend between the two trims (keeping the 2.7 powerplant) please?
I could understand using the smaller engine if it got significantly better fuel economy, but why would I go with the smaller engine if the large one has almost the same fuel economy? Smaller Turbo engine = more engine wear.
I own a 2022 Silverado custom with 12k miles and thus far is PERFECT. Is incredible how this full side truck runs and feel with the 2.7. Every car manufacturer has its lemons, I have seen Mercedes, toyotas etc.. stranded in the highway. With that said, this engine/truck combo are well built and years down the road will be a well known good trucks/engines. The one, and the only big difference is the sound, do to the naturally of the liters, the 4 cyl will never has the sound of the v8. In my opinion, dont mess with the 2.7 exhaust system, leave it factory and you have a great truck. Also keep in mind, this are light duty trucks.
I have a 2023 custom Silverado with the 2.7 turbo max, I have almost 700 miles on it, so far I like the power it has . I get over 20 miles per gallon average .
me tooI have a 2023 LT model. It's a great motor. I had a 2019 model prior (1st year for the redesighn) traded it in for the refreshed 2023. Million times nicer.
@@jobsearch5871 V4? Ford was ahead of the game 10 yrs ago w/ 2.7 liter turbo w/ similar performance of 5.0. Now hemi V8 replaced by I6 hurricane 3.0 liter turbo. GM 2.7 turbomax, 430 ft lbs of torque & 3.0 diesel making 495 ft lbs of torque. The 25 yr old LS is antiquated, will be discontinued soon. 383 ft lbs of torque is all they can squeeze out of it.
I really don't have a problem with the 2.7 but I do with Gm trying to force it on me, I don't want to pay 55000+ for a more expensive model w/v8 but may could a custom but only option 2.7 and trail boss custom v8 msrp 56,000 even work truck regular cab short bed only 2.7 offered, a poor man doesn't stand a chance in today's truck market so me and my 197000 mile 2001 Chevy 5.3 are still rolling on.
had a 2013 z71 gutless wonder hate that engine . just bought a 24 gmc sierra 4x4 graphite or pretty much base with 2.7 power difference night and day the 2.7 wins every time in my book if i didnt tell you it was a 4 you would think it was a 8 it sets you back in the seat alot harder than any 5.3 has ever set me back in seat great truck great engine
great video.. There's an interview with the GMC designer behind the 2.7 turbo. Very interesting to watch. Link below. People say the 2.7 will be over taxed in the higher rev range but why are you in the higher rev range.. you don't need to rev it that high in order to get the full torque numbers vs the 5.3 that requires you reaching a higher rev to get similar results. The 2.7 never needs to see redline in order to do anything. Maximum torque comes at a very low range. Unless you are doing burnouts and 1/4 mile drag races, I don't think you can blow this up. Lifter issues on the other hand, are no different whether you have a 2.7, 5.3 or 6.2.. It's been a known issue on a small number of high mileage GMC/Chevy trucks. There's a great video interview with one of the GMC engineers who designed the 2.7 turbo. understanding that it was built from the ground up as an engine for these trucks is interesting vs attaching a turbo to an existing engine. The 2.7 was build around the turbo concept, not the other way around. Here's the interview. ua-cam.com/video/oC5z7B-uecM/v-deo.html
Well usually turbos don't kick in till higher rev ranges . And the less cylinders the higher the rev limit. And when your towing something and hit a hill and the vehicle down shifts automatically the revs go up. What they don't tell you is that torque don't kick in till you got the rev and the turbo kicks in. Mpg are BS my buddy has the 2.7l and I have the 5.3l and towing a 2000lb trailer his 2.7 gets like 7mpg and is a dog bone while my 5.3 towing the same exact trailer gets 16-17 mpg and don't feel the trailer . Hot a hill and it's night and day the 2.7 struggles . Real world comparison not dealership trying to sell something.
@@chadbinette3201 not my experience at all. With my last truck it had to downshift to make it up the grade, therefore higher revs. With this 2.7L it didn’t and therefore revs stayed lower. Same boat, same grade, different truck.
2.7 turbo doesn't have hydraulic collapsing lifters. Sliding camshafts allow engine to run on the 2 outboard cylinders. btw - 5.3 dfm also runs on 2 cylinders @ times, & the old afm 5.3 engines (2007-2019) ran as a 2.7 liter V4 often.
its the same stuff people were talking about with the 2.7l ecoboost in the ford f150. now that people are seeing that these motors are getting 300k+ miles on them with little to no issues, they have become very popular.
I did exactly what Steve suggested 4 months ago. Found a new 2023 Custom 4wd -posi - 20" wheels - Crew cab w/ 40 miles on it. $50,500 sticker, marked down to $39,995. Also deducted more $ for gm card earnings & costco incentive, bought for $36,800 (+ tax) - $25k trade in ('16 double cab Z71 5.3 w/ 70k miles & one "lifter stick" scare), wrote check for $13k. Would have cost at least $6k more for 5.3 to achieve what? Very similar payload, and towing rating, but better @ towing due to torque increase from 383 ft lb V8 to 430 ft lb I4 turbo. I'll reevaluate in 5 yrs when drivetrain warranty expires. So far, 3,000 miles, love it. Engine warms up super quick. Low rpm grunty torque. Ford smaller displacement V6 turbo more powerful than V8, & now Ram 3.0 I6 turbo hurricane more powerful than hemi V8. Wave of the future.
Update: After 8,000 trouble-free miles, 20.4 overall mixed mpg, finally hooked up to 33' travel trailer. 6,300 lbs dry + propane tanks & battery & food/drink/supplies for a wk of camping, trailer weighed approx 7,000 lbs. Loaded half of bed full of firewood (approximately 500 lbs). Pulled 90 miles to destination in northern Ohio on mostly flat 2 lane roads. Accelerated normally, shifted @ 3,000 rpm's in tow/haul mode. 60 mph was 2,100 rpm's in 6th gear. 9.6 mpg w/ 87 octane. No difference than old 5.3 V8 engines.
I would buy a 2.7….. If i worked at a bank, didn't tow anything, didnt have a class A, didnt work with my hands or know anything period. Its really in between the 3 liter diesel or 5.3… the 2.7 doesnt even exist in my opinion.
Let me ask. I have been selling 5.3L for about 10 years now, and they used to get on the window sticker up to 22 on the highway. That was back in 2014-2015. Now the 2023 Silverado weighs less but only gets EPA estimated 20 on the highway. No GM Rep has been able to explain to me why this is. My guess (with no evidence) is that they are purposely making the 5.3 get less MPG and get the same as the 2.7L to push along the 2.7L, due to its poor sales in Rural America. What do you think?
They probably adjusted it in the computer just to do exactly like you said force it to get worse gas mileage so they can push a 4 cylinder on us. Until they can make a 4 cylinder sound like a v8 they can keep it for those city boys.
It probably has to do with how they rated their old fuel saver features that don't exist. Remember, in the mid 2010s gm had this feature that would shut down cylinders on the V8s to save fuel when power wasn't needed. So if you were going 20 in a school zone it would drop to use 4 cylinders and save you fuel. They did away with that tech in the late 2010s because the system was causing all sorts of other engine problems and so they had to change their actual estimates and couldn't game it with that tech anymore. It was a cool idea, but the system problems it caused killed it as viable and the v8s with that are regarded as less then dependable
They can’t give these tricks away. All the incentives I see on the Silverado are for the 2.7 engine only. It’s so good they can’t sell it. This would be a great engine for the Colorado or the Canyon….not a full size truck.
I too loved my 6.2l while it lasted ,Good luck with the truck. I just won a lawsuit against general motors my 24 Silverado Trail, Boss 6.2 L sealed on the highway at 65 mph with 2207 miles on the clock. and then two of my friends one with a 23 suburban RST 6.2 L and my other friend with a 24 Tahoe both 6.2 L also ended up at the same dealership as mine with seized engines. We all got lemon law buyback I was told it’s not if your 6.2 will fail it when.do the research I should have. The L 87 is made in Mexico and they changed the bearing material some point after / during 2022.. bearing material is soft and it’s wearing and seizing mains . No warnings no noise no tapping no banging boom the motor just shut off unexpectedly. It may even start the next day when it cools down, but then it does even more damage the second time around, which is fine by me because at least you have to have an engine replacement by that point There is no fixing that. For the record I also had the truck serviced at 868 miles full oil change using old GM recommended filter and oil and then had a second oil change at 2000 miles. I am super aggressive with maintenance on all of my vehicles 2500 mile cap on oil changes after break in and this truck still blew up at 2207 miles. Unacceptable.
For my replacement truck I took a two year lease on a base model only $360 a month with two grand down total. I took the four cylinder 27 I am totally utterly shocked at the torque. It actually is better performing than the 5.3l and it reminds me of a diesel just gasoline. The eight speed with the 342 rear is surprisingly quick considering a full size pick up truck with a 2.7 L four-cylinder will run to 60 on my draggy and 6.8 seconds it’s really not terribleand it will pull a house for a two year lease and minimal money with four-wheel-drive. This truck is a no-brainer.
Good luck with the truck. I just want a lawsuit against general motors my 24 Silverado Trail, Boss 6.2 L sealed on the highway at 65 mph with 2207 miles on the clock. and then two of my friends one with a 23 suburban RST 6.2 L and my other friend with a 24 Tahoe both 6.2 L also ended up at the same dealership as mine with seized engines. We all got lemon law buyback I was told it’s not if your 6.2 will fail it when.do the research I should have. The L 87 is made in Mexico and they changed the bearing material some point after / during 2022.. bearing material is soft and it’s wearing and seizing mains . No warnings no noise no tapping no banging boom the motor just shut off unexpectedly. It may even start the next day when it cools down, but then it does even more damage the second time around, which is fine by me because at least you have to have an engine replacement by that point There is no fixing that.
So my story with this motor so far. It was in the shop with two oil leaks one the pan and one from the cooler. The Dealership went thru THREE oil pans with leaks before they could get it to stop leaking. As you can see by my post below Chevy responded and I was given a 'case' number. The dealership did a good job but it took a lot longer than expected to fix and the way they fixed it was to gloop the silicone on the pan in such a way as to not leak. I've only got 16K on this 2022. Chevrolet called me and said they opened a case and would call me back last friday. Friday came and gone I left two messages with their representative. Bottom line is this 2022 2.7 Turbo Should not be leaking oil at all in TWO places.
Your right it shouldn’t be leaking… the only reason that pan should leak is if the truck has had the oil control pump replaced I have mine go bad shy of the 30k mile factory warranty (2.7 gmc sierra) The dealership had to removed the sealant that they had put and redo the job again Since than no leaks Then 10k ish miles later the transmission oil pump went out which explained the transmission shuttering and once it was replaced all that was gone Over all it’s a great engine if gm replaces the oil pan with a metal one If a person drives as much as I do, the truck should be inspected at least once a week to ensure it alway has the right amount of oil Lastly, trash the Bridgestone tires that they come with at purchase and instal some pirreli tires all season/ or AT plus tires ride quality and Drive ability is much better
@@Roberto-gp3yx GM contacted and I'm waiting to hear if they are going to buy it back. I also have the hesitancy in transmission very noticeable at times
@@ReelRandyGrahamFishingShow hopefully they buy it back that’s what a great company should do when there product was defective from the factory If they don’t Shame on them
I don't believe the 8 speed transmission issue is as prolific as it seems. I have a 2016 silverado with a 5.3 8 speed, close to 76,000 miles with no issues. As a matter of fact my truck is turned up to 11 using 87 octane, cai and exhaust. I used a diablo tuner and added my own tweeks and this truck is a BEAST. I have never kept a truck more than 4 years til this one, best truck I've ever owned, all chevy and 2 gmc's. My thought are you tubers getting clicks making it seem worse. It sucks when you have issues with a new truck, I had a TOTAL pos gmc. It was my first new truck, and I hated it. I do feel for the ones having issues but the social media I think makes it seem much worse.
And replacing lifters and cams is going to be even more expensive to repair in the 5.3 when they go out at 75k miles. Personally speaking that turbo will be much easier to replace.
@@sodbuster518able give me the good old days when you could do a 9 grand rev and dump the clutch & feel the "G" force sink you back in the seat....Man , What a rush that was
I have a 2022 GMC with a 2.7 and also a pickup with a 5.3. I like the 2.7 much better. It has more usable power and better mileage. the 2.7 has 430 ft. of torque.
You probably like the 2.7 better because the 8 speed shifts differently…. It shifts less and feels different… I got the 5.3 and it has power but I’m still getting used to the shifting…. Im used transmissions with less gears🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. I still feel deep down that the harder you work something the quicker it’s gonna wear out…. I could go on about how just because it’s a new vehicle don’t mean it won’t come with it’s set of problems ect. Ect……..
When it hits 100k let us know how much you like it. You have a four cylinder aluminum block and heads that is being beaten/hammered on further with a turbo. that is a recipe for a catastrophic failure.
Brian, I get that; But GMC started from the ground up with this new entry. April 22th of this month makes 3 yrs not one issue. This is a Inline 4 cycl. Heavy Duty they simulate their Duramax Diesel which also has turbo and just another thing that could go wrong.. I never hold onto a car longer then 8 yrs and every 3 yrs switch out wife's car. So i'm not worried about it.
Inline 4 is a much stouter engine design than a V6, and a much better choice for turbocharging. A 2.7 L Inline 4 has the same bottom end, crankshaft strength, and 5 main bearings as a 5.4 L V8. A 2.7L V6 has the bottom end of a 1.35L 3-cylinder with only 4 main bearings, a much weaker engine design.
Im seriously embarrassed to say this but I saw my 2022 custom Silverado on the lot. It is lifted with 35" tires and is still a head turner. I had to have it because the dealership had the work done professionally and it just looks awesome! I had no idea Chevy even had a full size truck in 4 cylinder!? I assumed it was a 5.3 and never questioned it! The truck is faster than my previous 5.3 and spin those big 24" rims and 35" tires with no problem and I have boats and trailers and it never lacked power so it was just not a question for me. A co worker was checking it out and was like this J, this is the new Turbo! Im like no, this is a 5.3!? If I had known this was a 2.7 4 cylinder, I would not have purchased it, but now that I know, It lacks nothing!
i bought a bare bones ( though it still has a lot of options included compared to 7-10 years ago ) 2023 Custom last week for 43k before tax and registration. Prices have dropped and dealerships are loaded with trucks. I am still in the break in period but I think it will be as fast or close to my 8.1 liter and literally twice the mpg
My buddy traded in his 2017 Silverado with the 5.3 for a 2022 with a 2.7l the dealer told them it was the same horsepower, more torque and could tow just as much. Maybe true but we took it snowmobiling once pulling my trailer with 2sleds, so maybe 2000lbs tops, closer to 1800lbs probably and the thing got like 8mpg towing that much and going up big hills felt like a struggle. Where as my 2016 Silverado with the 5.3l gets like 16-17mpg towing the same exact trailer and going up hills or passing a vehicle on the highway towing the same trailer is no problem. When I'm towing or plowing or using a truck for truck things give me a V8 burning good ol gasoline. Multi flex tailgate, give me a tailgate I can open without unlocking the truck every time and a latch instead of a button. Some time not long ago they stopped making trucks for work and started making trucks for the weekend warriors towing campers . Ild rather have a vinyl floor than heated seats
Same goes for the 5.3 with cylinder deactivation which has issues with lifters going bad and funneling excessive oil. There could be soon a class action suit against GM. As for turbo's check out a few Ford trucks that are now going 200K miles on turbos and their still running. Modern Turbos are different. This engine the 2.7L from GM is built extra big on a Diesel characteristics without the diesel fuel. And this engine is an IN-LINE 4. Now I'm a V8 fan but not the 5.3 rather have the 5.7Hemi or 5.0 Coyote. I had recently the a 5.0 Mustang but had to sell it. Insurance cost are simply out of control.
My biggest concern is the 8 speed and the fact that Chevy has had several lifter problems on their trucks. That is really my hesitation in buying a gem product
I have a 2023 2.7 turbo and really don’t like the way it drives at all! It has “a lot” of turbo lag! It does pull my 5000lbs camper well though. But I’m wishing I got a V8 now………. fyi, for anyone that is not sure about what motor to get
I bought '23 2.7 turbo & owners manual reads 87 octane. That's all I've run in it in over 5,500 miles so far. Changing oil soon @ 25% oil life remaining. Don't go 7,500 miles, as suggested by GM.
I finally got to drive a 22 chevy silverado with the 2.7 and it runs really good plenty of power, I'm really easy on the throttle and I can't get more than 22 mpg thats my only issue
I have the gmc version. Personally, I think it’s mpg should have been at least 20 city and 25 highway or a larger fuel ⛽️ tank. Otherwise I have nothing to complain about yet since I only have the 🛻 for less than a week and I have yet to finish reading the owner’s manual😊
I've done enough research to conclude that the 2.7 turbo will likey build a strong reputation. As such, I would have no qualms about buying the new Canyon or Colorado. But if I were shopping a full-size GM truck, could pass up a chance to own one the best V8s in automotive history? Certainly not if its fuel economy is nearly identical to the 2.7's! In fact, from what I have heard and read about the 5.3's highway efficiency, I wouldn't be surprised if it were to use substantially LESS fuel than the 2.7 during steady cruising at 75-80 MPH.
NOT.... I have driven far to many 5.3's your lucky if you get 20 mpg's @ 70 mph where as in the 2.7 I'm getting 22 easy. And sadly the 5.3 with cylinder deactivation sucks and having Lifter issues at some point, funneling extra oil. Eventually a big class action suit is coming to GM. Now I'm a V8 fan but after towing with Turbo's a much better experience on grades and better mpg's as well.
Great video!! Have a friend that has a 2.7 custom Turbo and he loves it!!! Facts!!! Only question is weight of truck if you go beyond a custom, can 2.7 engine carry it? Great video!!!
I just want to see how these play out in the long run, I am doubtful I would buy a new 5.3 the way the AFM roaches lifters. Warranty is a pain, my older AFM Silverados I have done the AFM delete and retuned. Buying new I think I would go with the Colorado with the Turbo Max, reminds of back when we put 350's in S10's.
I've seen them worked hard, pulling heavy. Over 150k miles, 2 over 200kmiles with no issues thus far. They feel like a diesel. Low rpms pulling 7k up hills on the back roads and highway where the 5.3 would be at 4000 rpms.
I bought the 2.7 turbo after car accident my 2010 v-8 always spun wheels on grass pulling my dump trailer this truck doesn't even know its there just walks away #3500 ld trailer even full with compost one day an straw on top no problem if your easy on the gas I usually get 23 to 25 mpg the 435lbs of tourgue make big difference
Same experiences here with my 5000# boat. It jerked my F150 around and I would have to rev pretty high to get up steep grades. The 2.7L HO hardly notices the boat. But hey it doesn't have dual exhausts or a low throaty sound like a V-8 so it isn't any good!
My 2022 2.7 is in the shop with 15k miles there were two oil leaks! The pan leaked and the Cooler leaked!! The dealership went thru three pans because each one they tried would warp and still leak!!! So I’m waiting because GM called me for a resolution…. This seems to be common prob I would steer clear
the 10 speed with the 2.7t would dump on the 5.3 .not good for selling the 5.3. only issue with the 2.7 is the sound of the engine and exaust. .turbo sound is dope tho.
I'd definitely get the 2.7 .. I've currently have a Eco boost 2.7 .. lot's of low end torque for towing.. I'd imagine the Chevy works just a we'll.. turbos are the way to go I
4 cylinder engine in a full-sized pickup truck that also deactivates 2 cylinders by design. Wonderful, a 1.35L twin moving a truck - what could possibly go wrong with that? Then to learn the fuel economy is no better than the 5.3L LS in my 2000 Sierra 1500 Z71! It passes emissions, that's about it...
nope, research it. This block has been built for a truck application. It's not just a civic motor crammed in a truck. Has large pistons and 5" of stroke. Dual volute turbo too. See it's people like you that know nothing about the motor that give it a bad rep.
Since 2007, the active fuel management 5.3 runs as a V4 - 2.65 liters, & since 2020 the 5.3 has dynamic fuel management & runs as a 2 cylinder , but only 1.325 liters of displacement. Not many people care to drive a 17 yr old truck or older to avoid lifter failure from afm & dfm. By then, everything is failing.
Well, hard to say. My '16 5.3 w/ 70k miles got traded in, as I experienced a 'hard miss', followed by check engine light & traction control light illuminating. If it was a lifter stick / potential failure, it would result in a $6k lifter replacement, & I just wasn't going to risk that expenditure that I could never recover. It's all about what one "believes". If one believes a 383 ft lb (V8) engine will tow better, have higher payload, get better mpg than a 430 ft lb (I-4 turbo) engine, one can certainly believe that, although it is false. It is neither true nor false that a V8 will outlast a 2.7 I-4 turbo engine. GM still makes both.
Did Stellantis make a boo boo by replacing 5.7 hemi V8 w/ 3.0 I-6 twin turbo hurricane? How about Ford 10 yrs ago when 2.7 V6 twin turbo was developed? How about in 1949 when GM began ohv V8 to replace straight eights & flatheads? I wonder if that was met w/ skepticism and negativity?
I am going to throw in my two cents, so using some common sense, something sorely lacking in today's world, what distinguishes a small displacement engine and a larger displacement engine doing the same work? 1. Well let's see, the smaller engine is stressed to move the same weight as a larger engine that loafs doing the same job which historically means less longevity overall. 2. Is it strange that they both get about the same milage doing the same work? 3. So this engine does have a AFM system which has never been tried before, a 3-piece sliding camshaft sleeve which deactivates cylinder 2 and 3 when conditions warrant it, a fuel milage position and a performance position. 4. Let's not forget the 2 balance shafts under the crank to smooth the engine out. 5. Now GM says that they can run on 87 octane, but to get the best performance they recommend at least 91 octane, figure that. To me the trucks style and looks are great and personally I would go for the 5.3 which as of this model year is experiencing excessive oil consumption so much that GM has put out a TSB on it, but that is another story,
"Now GM says that they can run on 87 octane, but to get the best performance they recommend at least 91 octane" Do you have a reference for that? Manual says 87. GM engineer, Kevin Luchansky, says running anything higher on the 2.7L HO is a waste of money.
the issue is how often is it in the shop. and is this turbo gunna last 15-20 years in the truck. the 5.3 is tried and tested which the little turbo isn't. From my experience, the GM turbo technology just isn't there yet. If you're trading in your truck under warranty every few years that's fine. but what about the guys who want to buy a truck and drive it longer term and not have to worry about getting shafted with an EV because the turbo went.
Do yourself a favor people and buy a 6.2L go online and buy the AFM delete tune that you just have to plug into the OBD port and boom you have a damn good truck with tons of power.
Nope. The 5.3 V8 (355 horse/383 torque) has drivetrain warranty of 5 yrs 60,000 miles. The 2.7 turbomax (310 horse/430 torque) has drivetrain warranty of 5 yrs 100,000 miles.
Everyone talks shit about the 2.7 4 cylinder but Chevy v8 s all have cylinder deactivation so you have a 4 cylinder half the time anyway and the newer I think 2019 and up have displacement on demand and you could be running on 2 cylinders so at this point who gives a shit any more a big engine is only as powerful as the manufacturer allows I do agree that a 2.7 might have to work harder than a v8 but it also has help in the form of a turbo that the v8 doesn’t so it’s like having one big guy aka v8 lift a heavy weight or two smaller guys aka v4 and turbo lift the same heavy weight just my thoughts
I have towed with many trucks; Towed over a 100 travel Trailers and High End Boats. Tow vehicle was what ever they gave me for that day. So when it was my time to buy my own. I went ahead and got a 2.7L GMC Elevation 2020 1st Gen. I tow our Travel Trailer 5,287 LBS dry weight including payload 6,477LBS; Turbos are great for towing; fell in love with the LOW END TORQUE! The V8 simply doesn't have it on the GRADES while towing. Yet I'm a V8 fan; but for the price and fully loaded truck with a payload of 1900lbs 4X2. This truck has not had ONE PROBLEM makes 3 YEARS end of month! I have managed to get 29 mpg from Key Largo, FLA to Big Pine Key, FLA averaging 48-52 miles per hour. Regardless if I was going slow. There is no truck other then a diesel that can capture that type of MPG even at a slower speed of 48 to 52 mph. I capture 24-25 mpg's Rural Roads with no stops at 53-55 mph
You may get a rebate, depending on the time you're looking, but now you have to spend 40-60 cents per gallon more on premium gas. Probably not worth it. Plus turboed engines don't hold up as well so you'll be replacing the truck sooner. Things to consider.
I bought a 22 for these same reasons. Primarily the $4k, or higher, savings. I also got crazy low financing from GM. I’ve got 25,000 on it and it’s been a blast. I leveled it and put 33x12.50’s on it, and it lost 1 mpg. Now that it’s broken in? I average 17 mpg in a primarily rural area, with normal driving. That’s beating my 2011 Tacoma that it replaced. And with a lift and BFG All terrains dragging it down. Overall, the fuel economy is impressive. Power and driving? It’s an EVO. Maybe a WRX. Drives like one, it’s almost 50/50 weight balanced like one, and if you can drive well? It handles like no other full size truck, due to the lighter front end. Watch the under steer! Have fun. We need tuning parts for the 2.7! It’s pretty much a “Tuner truck for JDM converts.”
I own the Predecessor to this engine mine is a 2021 Chevy Silverado Custom with the 2.7L Turbo 310hp/348lb ft of torque and I will tell you this the first time I test drove it I was like Holy Shit!!! I’ve took it to Bar Harbor Maine, Niagara Falls NY, Brampton Ontario then back down to Baltimore MD and she performed flawlessly June it will be 2 years that I’ve owned and I still absolutely love it
I have towed with many trucks; Towed over a 100 travel Trailers and High End Boats. Tow vehicle was what ever they gave me for that day. So when it was my time to buy my own. I went ahead and got a 2.7L GMC Elevation 2020 1st Gen. I tow our Travel Trailer 5,287 LBS dry weight including payload 6,477LBS; Turbos are great for towing; fell in love with the LOW END TORQUE! The V8 simply doesn't have it on the GRADES while towing. Yet I'm a V8 fan; but for the price and fully loaded truck with a payload of 1900lbs 4X2. This truck has not had ONE PROBLEM makes 3 YEARS end of month! I have managed to get 29 mpg from Key Largo, FLA to Big Pine Key, FLA averaging 48-52 miles per hour. Regardless if I was going slow. There is no truck other then a diesel that can capture that type of MPG even at a slower speed of 48 to 52 mph. I hit 24-25 mpg's Rural Roads with no stops 53-55 mph and capture 25 mpg's.
Does Chevy usually offer rebates and incentives on vehicles in high demand? I don’t think so,Chevy is offering that money because they know it’s a tough sell. I looked today and out of 4 dealers in the southwest burbs of Chicago, 70% of trucks on the lot are the 4 banger
That 2.7 works way harder and therefore won't last as long as the V8. I've waiting for 5 months for Custom Trail Boss, because I ordered it with the standard bed and V8.
The 2.7t will easily outlast the problematic V8s. I know several people that blew 5.3 V8s at low mileage. The 2.7t is designed from the ground up as a truck engine. The 2.7t gets much better mpg in the real world.
Agreed. Big concern of lifter failure in afm/ dfm V8's. Some lifter failures & subsequent pushrod bending / camshaft damage distributes metal particles in engine. I chose 2,7 turbo, & gained 10% torque for towing. 383 ft lbs to 430 ft lbs. 2.7 turbo is built stout like a diesel but w/ 87 octane fuel.
I liked my 5.3 too , until I drove a 3.5 -V6 Ecoboost -Twin turbo Ford F150 and to be honest as much as I love my V8s , I by far prefer my 3.5 Ecoboost over my 5.3 v8 , simply no comparison , my 3.5 out pulls my 5.3 easily. The 3.5 has low end Power like a Deisel engine
Don't buy a custom, get a LT or RST, Elevation from GMC. Interior road/ wind noise. Carbon buildup after 75K miles will be an issue. If 50% of miles driven are highway or higher, get the 5.3
chevy don't even mention the transmission you know your going down hill there. The 2.7 is actually pulls good and is quick. fuel millage is really no different then the 5.3. But cramming on a turbo and making that small straight 4 do something it doesn't want to do doesn't sound very good. I say get the 5.3 and turn off AFM and have a decent ride till the tranny goes.
I had a 4 cylinder turbo in my last truck and I hated it more than anything. Traded the truck off with 29,000 miles. My problem with the 4 banger turbos is how they run in super cold temperatures. I would start my truck, drive about 10 feet, and then it would bog down, drive 10 feet, bog down. I would have to put it in neutral and rev it up for a while for it to even move. I called the dealership and they told me 4 cyl/turbos need minum 15 minutes of warming up before they run properly. Went away from that engine and now I just start my truck and drive away with zero issues even in negative temps. If you live in super cold temperatures and don't have time to let your truck run for 15 minutes everytime you drive it, find something else. If you live somewhere warm, have fun with your engine that sounds like a lawn mower.
"If you live somewhere warm, have fun with your engine that sounds like a lawn mower." I really don't mind the sound on mine. I only tow my 5Klb boat occasionally and the rest of the time I get around 22mpg around town. Suits me fine.
Here's a negative comment for you. Who in the right mind would order the custom trail boss trim? You're paying more than just the custom package but you still get the crappy interior. There is literally no trim level or package of the silverado that is value anyway. They're all very expensive so you might as well get something a little bit nicer And at least step up to the LT trailboss
I went with the LZ0 3.0 with max tow. So 3.73 gears big 9.76” rear end. Plus a lot of other upgrades. Crue Cab with the regular bed 6’6”. It has been averaging between 27 and 33 mpg. And pulls like a freight train being it has 495 torque. 460 torque at 1500 rpm. But the new 2.7 should be a killer little motor. Ford has already proven small motors can work.
So why is gm pushing the 2.7 if the gas mileage is the same as the 5.3? Why do you want people in the 2.7 and not the 5.3? I think the point you're missing here is people want the simplicity of the V8. The whole point of going with a smaller engine is efficiency and the 2.7 misses that mark. I guess this is an attempt to try and compete with Ford?
It’s not mileage but emissions that are driving it. And for “simplicity” the Gen V V8s are not simplistic at all, especially the refresh V8s with dynamic fuel management. If people really wanted simplistic like you say they’d be clamoring for EVs.
@@IVloses Yeah EV’s lol another unproven technology that people are starting to realize may not be the best option. Like I said earlier, I’ll keep buying my proven NA engines as long as I have a choice. For the record I’d buy the 2.7 before I’d even consider an EV.
For 2022 and up 2.7 is a better choice vs the current 5.3. Current 2.7 is overbuilt and will take abuse. Wish Chevrolet would make a 3.5 straight 6 turbo or something like that. Would be an easy 400hp engine with probably 550lb of torque
Noone seems to mention that the 2.7 requires premium gas and the V8 doesn't. You're not saving a dime in the long run and with the upcoming wars there may be times you won't get premium at all.
Now It's clear that those 2.7 engines aren't selling or too many issues with this truck and no one is buying them rebates n incentives come with a hidden cost
Son had 496 (8.1 liter) Chev truck for a while. Needed more balls, so went w/ better substitute = turbo. Cummins. Dropped 25% of displacement from 496 to 360 - (8.1 to 5.9). Dropped 25% of cylinders from V8 to I-6. I dropped from 5.3 to 2.7 turbo & gained 12% greater torque made @ 27% lower rpm, saved $6,000 to buy 40,000 miles worth of 87 octane gas, greater payload than 5.3 truck, similar towing, better mpg. 2024 has 5 yr 100,000 drivetrain warranty like duramax. Lifter failing 5.3 = 60,000 mile warranty.
Take the V8 naturally aspirated. No turbo issues and engine doesn't work as hard. 2.7 will be on rebuild bench long before the NA V8 if both are maintained correctly. No brainer, numbers (towing payload) are near equal. V8!
Exactly! I also do not trust GM when they say "we torture test all of our engines..." If they did that the lifter issue would have been avoided. They knew it was an issue and decided to go ahead and launch it in a lot of vehicles. Luckily I have not had any issues with my 5.3l at 110k, I don't know if its because I keep up with oil changes or if its because my truck rarely goes into V4. This engine would be great in the Colorados or Canyon etc... But why develop it now? Ford has been doing this for 10+ years! So GM takes a Toyota I4 and bolts a turbo up to it? Putting it in 1/2 ton vehicle is a big mistake. GM would do what Toyota is doing with the I-Force max and bolting a hybrid electric engine in between the engine and tranny, but we all know GM engineering and reliability recently is terrible.
I'm ready for the 2.7 Turbo hate comments hahahaha
The facts are most want big displacement but they are going away because of emissions requirements. So we know the choice will be taken away from us. I only buy mid sized GM trucks and the new GM gen 3 mid sized twins only offer the 2.7L turbo 4 cylinder so I hope it works great at towing 5-6K since it is rated to tow 7700ibs. We will see how they hold up. Thanks for the info.
Hey Steve, I have a trim/option question. I'm actually very interested in the 2.7T powerplant, yet I can't seem to choose between the 2.7 Custom Trail Boss and the 2.7 LT trail boss. From my understanding, there's no advantage in paying more for the Lt version since both trims seem to be completely left out in the options and packages department. From what I'm seeing, neither Custom or LT have selectable options without them (the site models builder) asking you to choose the two other engine options. It's like the 2.7 is left out in the options department. Only the little add-ons are available (block heater, bed covers). Nothing is available (such as safety package and towing packages and all the other goodies). Can you help me identify the issue here and recommend between the two trims (keeping the 2.7 powerplant) please?
Oil burner
i love mine
I could understand using the smaller engine if it got significantly better fuel economy, but why would I go with the smaller engine if the large one has almost the same fuel economy? Smaller Turbo engine = more engine wear.
I own a 2022 Silverado custom with 12k miles and thus far is PERFECT. Is incredible how this full side truck runs and feel with the 2.7. Every car manufacturer has its lemons, I have seen Mercedes, toyotas etc.. stranded in the highway. With that said, this engine/truck combo are well built and years down the road will be a well known good trucks/engines. The one, and the only big difference is the sound, do to the naturally of the liters, the 4 cyl will never has the sound of the v8. In my opinion, dont mess with the 2.7 exhaust system, leave it factory and you have a great truck. Also keep in mind, this are light duty trucks.
I have a 2023 custom Silverado with the 2.7 turbo max, I have almost 700 miles on it, so far I like the power it has . I get over 20 miles per gallon average .
me tooI have a 2023 LT model. It's a great motor. I had a 2019 model prior (1st year for the redesighn) traded it in for the refreshed 2023. Million times nicer.
about to hit 30k miles on mine, it's a 2022. it's perfect for my needs
Now if they only put a turbo on the 5.3.
No lol they are doing away with v8s.
@@roblacerra3257 yes to this. The v4 have the same mpg but with double service issues. chaching for the dealerships
@@jobsearch5871 V4? Ford was ahead of the game 10 yrs ago w/ 2.7 liter turbo w/ similar performance of 5.0. Now hemi V8 replaced by I6 hurricane 3.0 liter turbo. GM 2.7 turbomax, 430 ft lbs of torque & 3.0 diesel making 495 ft lbs of torque. The 25 yr old LS is antiquated, will be discontinued soon. 383 ft lbs of torque is all they can squeeze out of it.
@@jobsearch5871 inline 4 not v4
It would blow to pieces lol. 5.3 isn't the same since 06
I really don't have a problem with the 2.7 but I do with Gm trying to force it on me, I don't want to pay 55000+ for a more expensive model w/v8 but may could a custom but only option 2.7 and trail boss custom v8 msrp 56,000 even work truck regular cab short bed only 2.7 offered, a poor man doesn't stand a chance in today's truck market so me and my 197000 mile 2001 Chevy 5.3 are still rolling on.
had a 2013 z71 gutless wonder hate that engine . just bought a 24 gmc sierra 4x4 graphite or pretty much base with 2.7 power difference night and day the 2.7 wins every time in my book if i didnt tell you it was a 4 you would think it was a 8 it sets you back in the seat alot harder than any 5.3 has ever set me back in seat great truck great engine
great video.. There's an interview with the GMC designer behind the 2.7 turbo. Very interesting to watch. Link below.
People say the 2.7 will be over taxed in the higher rev range but why are you in the higher rev range.. you don't need to rev it that high in order to get the full torque numbers vs the 5.3 that requires you reaching a higher rev to get similar results. The 2.7 never needs to see redline in order to do anything. Maximum torque comes at a very low range. Unless you are doing burnouts and 1/4 mile drag races, I don't think you can blow this up. Lifter issues on the other hand, are no different whether you have a 2.7, 5.3 or 6.2.. It's been a known issue on a small number of high mileage GMC/Chevy trucks. There's a great video interview with one of the GMC engineers who designed the 2.7 turbo. understanding that it was built from the ground up as an engine for these trucks is interesting vs attaching a turbo to an existing engine. The 2.7 was build around the turbo concept, not the other way around. Here's the interview. ua-cam.com/video/oC5z7B-uecM/v-deo.html
I towed my 5Klb boat up a very steep grade last weekend 60 MPH. Never got above 3500RPM.
Well usually turbos don't kick in till higher rev ranges . And the less cylinders the higher the rev limit. And when your towing something and hit a hill and the vehicle down shifts automatically the revs go up. What they don't tell you is that torque don't kick in till you got the rev and the turbo kicks in. Mpg are BS my buddy has the 2.7l and I have the 5.3l and towing a 2000lb trailer his 2.7 gets like 7mpg and is a dog bone while my 5.3 towing the same exact trailer gets 16-17 mpg and don't feel the trailer . Hot a hill and it's night and day the 2.7 struggles . Real world comparison not dealership trying to sell something.
@@chadbinette3201 not my experience at all. With my last truck it had to downshift to make it up the grade, therefore higher revs. With this 2.7L it didn’t and therefore revs stayed lower. Same boat, same grade, different truck.
2.7 turbo doesn't have hydraulic collapsing lifters. Sliding camshafts allow engine to run on the 2 outboard cylinders. btw - 5.3 dfm also runs on 2 cylinders @ times, & the old afm 5.3 engines (2007-2019) ran as a 2.7 liter V4 often.
its the same stuff people were talking about with the 2.7l ecoboost in the ford f150. now that people are seeing that these motors are getting 300k+ miles on them with little to no issues, they have become very popular.
I did exactly what Steve suggested 4 months ago. Found a new 2023 Custom 4wd -posi - 20" wheels - Crew cab w/ 40 miles on it. $50,500 sticker, marked down to $39,995. Also deducted more $ for gm card earnings & costco incentive, bought for $36,800 (+ tax) - $25k trade in ('16 double cab Z71 5.3 w/ 70k miles & one "lifter stick" scare), wrote check for $13k. Would have cost at least $6k more for 5.3 to achieve what? Very similar payload, and towing rating, but better @ towing due to torque increase from 383 ft lb V8 to 430 ft lb I4 turbo. I'll reevaluate in 5 yrs when drivetrain warranty expires. So far, 3,000 miles, love it. Engine warms up super quick. Low rpm grunty torque. Ford smaller displacement V6 turbo more powerful than V8, & now Ram 3.0 I6 turbo hurricane more powerful than hemi V8. Wave of the future.
Damn! LETS GOOOOO
But are you pulling 304s
@@kellyfontes7757 Pulling 33' 2009 Rockwood Signature Ultra Light travel trailer. 6,000 lb dry. Truck rated to pull 9,000 lb.
Update: After 8,000 trouble-free miles, 20.4 overall mixed mpg, finally hooked up to 33' travel trailer. 6,300 lbs dry + propane tanks & battery & food/drink/supplies for a wk of camping, trailer weighed approx 7,000 lbs. Loaded half of bed full of firewood (approximately 500 lbs). Pulled 90 miles to destination in northern Ohio on mostly flat 2 lane roads. Accelerated normally, shifted @ 3,000 rpm's in tow/haul mode. 60 mph was 2,100 rpm's in 6th gear. 9.6 mpg w/ 87 octane. No difference than old 5.3 V8 engines.
I would buy a 2.7….. If i worked at a bank, didn't tow anything, didnt have a class A, didnt work with my hands or know anything period. Its really in between the 3 liter diesel or 5.3… the 2.7 doesnt even exist in my opinion.
Let me ask. I have been selling 5.3L for about 10 years now, and they used to get on the window sticker up to 22 on the highway. That was back in 2014-2015. Now the 2023 Silverado weighs less but only gets EPA estimated 20 on the highway. No GM Rep has been able to explain to me why this is. My guess (with no evidence) is that they are purposely making the 5.3 get less MPG and get the same as the 2.7L to push along the 2.7L, due to its poor sales in Rural America. What do you think?
They probably adjusted it in the computer just to do exactly like you said force it to get worse gas mileage so they can push a 4 cylinder on us. Until they can make a 4 cylinder sound like a v8 they can keep it for those city boys.
It probably has to do with how they rated their old fuel saver features that don't exist. Remember, in the mid 2010s gm had this feature that would shut down cylinders on the V8s to save fuel when power wasn't needed. So if you were going 20 in a school zone it would drop to use 4 cylinders and save you fuel. They did away with that tech in the late 2010s because the system was causing all sorts of other engine problems and so they had to change their actual estimates and couldn't game it with that tech anymore. It was a cool idea, but the system problems it caused killed it as viable and the v8s with that are regarded as less then dependable
@@memrjm39 GM 5.3L in Silverado still uses the cylinder deactivation system, it is called DFM for Dynamic Fuel Management.
I get 21 Highway with my 5.3 in a 22 Silverado 8 Speed
They can’t give these tricks away. All the incentives I see on the Silverado are for the 2.7 engine only. It’s so good they can’t sell it. This would be a great engine for the Colorado or the Canyon….not a full size truck.
I bought the 6.2, 10 speed and I love it.
I too loved my 6.2l while it lasted ,Good luck with the truck. I just won a lawsuit against general motors my 24 Silverado Trail, Boss 6.2 L sealed on the highway at 65 mph with 2207 miles on the clock. and then two of my friends one with a 23 suburban RST 6.2 L and my other friend with a 24 Tahoe both 6.2 L also ended up at the same dealership as mine with seized engines. We all got lemon law buyback I was told it’s not if your 6.2 will fail it when.do the research I should have. The L 87 is made in Mexico and they changed the bearing material some point after / during 2022.. bearing material is soft and it’s wearing and seizing mains . No warnings no noise no tapping no banging boom the motor just shut off unexpectedly. It may even start the next day when it cools down, but then it does even more damage the second time around, which is fine by me because at least you have to have an engine replacement by that point There is no fixing that. For the record I also had the truck serviced at 868 miles full oil change using old GM recommended filter and oil and then had a second oil change at 2000 miles. I am super aggressive with maintenance on all of my vehicles 2500 mile cap on oil changes after break in and this truck still blew up at 2207 miles. Unacceptable.
For my replacement truck I took a two year lease on a base model only $360 a month with two grand down total. I took the four cylinder 27 I am totally utterly shocked at the torque. It actually is better performing than the 5.3l and it reminds me of a diesel just gasoline. The eight speed with the 342 rear is surprisingly quick considering a full size pick up truck with a 2.7 L four-cylinder will run to 60 on my draggy and 6.8 seconds it’s really not terribleand it will pull a house for a two year lease and minimal money with four-wheel-drive. This truck is a no-brainer.
Good luck with the truck. I just want a lawsuit against general motors my 24 Silverado Trail, Boss 6.2 L sealed on the highway at 65 mph with 2207 miles on the clock. and then two of my friends one with a 23 suburban RST 6.2 L and my other friend with a 24 Tahoe both 6.2 L also ended up at the same dealership as mine with seized engines. We all got lemon law buyback I was told it’s not if your 6.2 will fail it when.do the research I should have. The L 87 is made in Mexico and they changed the bearing material some point after / during 2022.. bearing material is soft and it’s wearing and seizing mains . No warnings no noise no tapping no banging boom the motor just shut off unexpectedly. It may even start the next day when it cools down, but then it does even more damage the second time around, which is fine by me because at least you have to have an engine replacement by that point There is no fixing that.
Thanks for the information im looking to buy a chevy pickup myself. This video was on point thanks again Steve.
Hey Steve we need these languishing 4cyl piles off our lot. OK boss I'll make a video telling everyone how great they are!
@@Faber-cator Sound doesn't bother me. I get great MPG around town and occasionally towing 5Klbs is easy with this engine.
2.7 been good so far, id avoid the lifter issues in the 5.3/6.2 for a while
Interesting information on this 2.7L Im all in with the 6.2 V8.
6.2 has a plastic head or intake gasket (I cant remember which ....or both) sometimes fails ......
So my story with this motor so far. It was in the shop with two oil leaks one the pan and one from the cooler. The Dealership went thru THREE oil pans with leaks before they could get it to stop leaking. As you can see by my post below Chevy responded and I was given a 'case' number. The dealership did a good job but it took a lot longer than expected to fix and the way they fixed it was to gloop the silicone on the pan in such a way as to not leak. I've only got 16K on this 2022. Chevrolet called me and said they opened a case and would call me back last friday. Friday came and gone I left two messages with their representative. Bottom line is this 2022 2.7 Turbo Should not be leaking oil at all in TWO places.
Your right it shouldn’t be leaking… the only reason that pan should leak is if the truck has had the oil control pump replaced
I have mine go bad shy of the 30k mile factory warranty (2.7 gmc sierra)
The dealership had to removed the sealant that they had put and redo the job again
Since than no leaks
Then 10k ish miles later the transmission oil pump went out which explained the transmission shuttering and once it was replaced all that was gone
Over all it’s a great engine if gm replaces the oil pan with a metal one
If a person drives as much as I do, the truck should be inspected at least once a week to ensure it alway has the right amount of oil
Lastly, trash the Bridgestone tires that they come with at purchase and instal some pirreli tires all season/ or AT plus tires ride quality and Drive ability is much better
@@Roberto-gp3yx GM contacted and I'm waiting to hear if they are going to buy it back. I also have the hesitancy in transmission very noticeable at times
@@ReelRandyGrahamFishingShow hopefully they buy it back that’s what a great company should do when there product was defective from the factory
If they don’t Shame on them
@@Roberto-gp3yx Talk to guys/gals with a 2016 8 speed automatic. GM doesn't care, and looses customers everyday because THEY DON'T take care of us.
I don't believe the 8 speed transmission issue is as prolific as it seems. I have a 2016 silverado with a 5.3 8 speed, close to 76,000 miles with no issues. As a matter of fact my truck is turned up to 11 using 87 octane, cai and exhaust. I used a diablo tuner and added my own tweeks and this truck is a BEAST. I have never kept a truck more than 4 years til this one, best truck I've ever owned, all chevy and 2 gmc's. My thought are you tubers getting clicks making it seem worse. It sucks when you have issues with a new truck, I had a TOTAL pos gmc. It was my first new truck, and I hated it. I do feel for the ones having issues but the social media I think makes it seem much worse.
The high rev turbo is going to be expensive to repair when it blows up at 75k miles.
And replacing lifters and cams is going to be even more expensive to repair in the 5.3 when they go out at 75k miles. Personally speaking that turbo will be much easier to replace.
Proper maintenance and no driver abuse,it will never blow up!
@@sodbuster518able give me the good old days when you could do a 9 grand rev and dump the clutch & feel the "G" force sink you back in the seat....Man , What a rush that was
The torque comes on at very low rpm and pulls hard across the revs. The 2.7 is a better driving engine for spirited drivers.
I have a 2022 GMC with a 2.7 and also a pickup with a 5.3. I like the 2.7 much better. It has more usable power and better mileage. the 2.7 has 430 ft. of torque.
I have the one with the 348 ft of torque
@@jayraquidan8845 Mine has the HO 430 lb of torque. It's honestly faster than majority of cars on the road right off the line lol its rowdy.
@@dmag1234 oh I know mine is the 310/348 lb ft it surprises me that I’m able to keep up with mustangs and Camaros on the road
You probably like the 2.7 better because the 8 speed shifts differently…. It shifts less and feels different… I got the 5.3 and it has power but I’m still getting used to the shifting…. Im used transmissions with less gears🤔🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️. I still feel deep down that the harder you work something the quicker it’s gonna wear out…. I could go on about how just because it’s a new vehicle don’t mean it won’t come with it’s set of problems ect. Ect……..
When it hits 100k let us know how much you like it. You have a four cylinder aluminum block and heads that is being beaten/hammered on further with a turbo. that is a recipe for a catastrophic failure.
The V-6 would have been a MUCH better choice to put a turbo on. I prefer to stay away from a turbo as it's just another thing to go wrong.
Chevy completely designed this engine around the turbo rather than slapping a turbo on a previous design
Brian, I get that; But GMC started from the ground up with this new entry. April 22th of this month makes 3 yrs not one issue. This is a Inline 4 cycl. Heavy Duty they simulate their Duramax Diesel which also has turbo and just another thing that could go wrong.. I never hold onto a car longer then 8 yrs and every 3 yrs switch out wife's car. So i'm not worried about it.
Inline 4 is a much stouter engine design than a V6, and a much better choice for turbocharging. A 2.7 L Inline 4 has the same bottom end, crankshaft strength, and 5 main bearings as a 5.4 L V8. A 2.7L V6 has the bottom end of a 1.35L 3-cylinder with only 4 main bearings, a much weaker engine design.
I agree. Question: What's the life span of this 2.7 towing weight everyday? We all know know American built don't last.
Im seriously embarrassed to say this but I saw my 2022 custom Silverado on the lot. It is lifted with 35" tires and is still a head turner. I had to have it because the dealership had the work done professionally and it just looks awesome! I had no idea Chevy even had a full size truck in 4 cylinder!? I assumed it was a 5.3 and never questioned it! The truck is faster than my previous 5.3 and spin those big 24" rims and 35" tires with no problem and I have boats and trailers and it never lacked power so it was just not a question for me.
A co worker was checking it out and was like this J, this is the new Turbo! Im like no, this is a 5.3!? If I had known this was a 2.7 4 cylinder, I would not have purchased it, but now that I know, It lacks nothing!
Great looking at one on line in Texas
I enjoyed this video. Keep up the good work!
How long will the 2.7 last compared to the 5.3
i bought a bare bones ( though it still has a lot of options included compared to 7-10 years ago ) 2023 Custom last week for 43k before tax and registration.
Prices have dropped and dealerships are loaded with trucks. I am still in the break in period but I think it will be as fast or close to my 8.1 liter and literally twice the mpg
My buddy traded in his 2017 Silverado with the 5.3 for a 2022 with a 2.7l the dealer told them it was the same horsepower, more torque and could tow just as much. Maybe true but we took it snowmobiling once pulling my trailer with 2sleds, so maybe 2000lbs tops, closer to 1800lbs probably and the thing got like 8mpg towing that much and going up big hills felt like a struggle. Where as my 2016 Silverado with the 5.3l gets like 16-17mpg towing the same exact trailer and going up hills or passing a vehicle on the highway towing the same trailer is no problem. When I'm towing or plowing or using a truck for truck things give me a V8 burning good ol gasoline. Multi flex tailgate, give me a tailgate I can open without unlocking the truck every time and a latch instead of a button. Some time not long ago they stopped making trucks for work and started making trucks for the weekend warriors towing campers . Ild rather have a vinyl floor than heated seats
What’s that 2.7 going to run like when it has 100k miles on it?
Same goes for the 5.3 with cylinder deactivation which has issues with lifters going bad and funneling excessive oil. There could be soon a class action suit against GM. As for turbo's check out a few Ford trucks that are now going 200K miles on turbos and their still running. Modern Turbos are different. This engine the 2.7L from GM is built extra big on a Diesel characteristics without the diesel fuel. And this engine is an IN-LINE 4. Now I'm a V8 fan but not the 5.3 rather have the 5.7Hemi or 5.0 Coyote. I had recently the a 5.0 Mustang but had to sell it. Insurance cost are simply out of control.
Lot more oil changes. It’s an oil burner. And no burning oil that much isn’t normal.
My biggest concern is the 8 speed and the fact that Chevy has had several lifter problems on their trucks. That is really my hesitation in buying a gem product
8 speed ate garbagio. Well its really the torque converter and the fluid
The 2.7 is overhead can not pushed like the v8s, 8 spd has been updated in newer models
I thought the lifter issue was because of the DFM I got my Truck with out it and she’s been good to me so far.2021
I have a 2023 2.7 turbo and really don’t like the way it drives at all! It has “a lot” of turbo lag! It does pull my 5000lbs camper well though. But I’m wishing I got a V8 now………. fyi, for anyone that is not sure about what motor to get
I just purchased the 2024 Chevy Silverado Trail Boss Custom, wondering what fuel is best to pump when gassing up?
I bought '23 2.7 turbo & owners manual reads 87 octane. That's all I've run in it in over 5,500 miles so far. Changing oil soon @ 25% oil life remaining. Don't go 7,500 miles, as suggested by GM.
I finally got to drive a 22 chevy silverado with the 2.7 and it runs really good plenty of power, I'm really easy on the throttle and I can't get more than 22 mpg thats my only issue
I have the gmc version. Personally, I think it’s mpg should have been at least 20 city and 25 highway or a larger fuel ⛽️ tank. Otherwise I have nothing to complain about yet since I only have the 🛻 for less than a week and I have yet to finish reading the owner’s manual😊
I've done enough research to conclude that the 2.7 turbo will likey build a strong reputation. As such, I would have no qualms about buying the new Canyon or Colorado. But if I were shopping a full-size GM truck, could pass up a chance to own one the best V8s in automotive history? Certainly not if its fuel economy is nearly identical to the 2.7's! In fact, from what I have heard and read about the 5.3's highway efficiency, I wouldn't be surprised if it were to use substantially LESS fuel than the 2.7 during steady cruising at 75-80 MPH.
NOT.... I have driven far to many 5.3's your lucky if you get 20 mpg's @ 70 mph where as in the 2.7 I'm getting 22 easy. And sadly the 5.3 with cylinder deactivation sucks and having Lifter issues at some point, funneling extra oil. Eventually a big class action suit is coming to GM. Now I'm a V8 fan but after towing with Turbo's a much better experience on grades and better mpg's as well.
I love my 5.3 in my new Tahoe
Great video!! Have a friend that has a 2.7 custom Turbo and he loves it!!! Facts!!! Only question is weight of truck if you go beyond a custom, can 2.7 engine carry it? Great video!!!
I just want to see how these play out in the long run, I am doubtful I would buy a new 5.3 the way the AFM roaches lifters. Warranty is a pain, my older AFM Silverados I have done the AFM delete and retuned. Buying new I think I would go with the Colorado with the Turbo Max, reminds of back when we put 350's in S10's.
I've seen them worked hard, pulling heavy. Over 150k miles, 2 over 200kmiles with no issues thus far. They feel like a diesel. Low rpms pulling 7k up hills on the back roads and highway where the 5.3 would be at 4000 rpms.
I bought the 2.7 turbo after car accident my 2010 v-8 always spun wheels on grass pulling my dump trailer this truck doesn't even know its there just walks away #3500 ld trailer even full with compost one day an straw on top no problem if your easy on the gas I usually get 23 to 25 mpg the 435lbs of tourgue make big difference
Same experiences here with my 5000# boat. It jerked my F150 around and I would have to rev pretty high to get up steep grades. The 2.7L HO hardly notices the boat. But hey it doesn't have dual exhausts or a low throaty sound like a V-8 so it isn't any good!
So pretty much what he's saying is a little chihuahua can haul as much as a horse can
I just switched from the 5.3 to the 2.7 turbo today! so far I'm excited! this new turbo is torquey !
I was wondering if you got the 2.7 Engine if you did how is it going for you??? I love the V8 but I would love to save the money to.
My 2022 2.7 is in the shop with 15k miles there were two oil leaks! The pan leaked and the Cooler leaked!! The dealership went thru three pans because each one they tried would warp and still leak!!! So I’m waiting because GM called me for a resolution…. This seems to be common prob I would steer clear
Aluminum or the plastic?
Sounds like lies to me
2.7 is for people who buy trucks but don’t plan on using them as trucks, grocery getters.
the 10 speed with the 2.7t would dump on the 5.3 .not good for selling the 5.3. only issue with the 2.7 is the sound of the engine and exaust. .turbo sound is dope tho.
Hold up while I fly from Virginia to come buy from Steve. Great overview of the turboooooo
I'd definitely get the 2.7 .. I've currently have a Eco boost 2.7 .. lot's of low end torque for towing.. I'd imagine the Chevy works just a we'll.. turbos are the way to go
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Engine Displacement verses vehicle Weight? Example: V-6 engine verses V-8 engine, when both Vehicles weigh Approximately the same Weight?
I have a2023 lt yrailboss w a 5.3 can a turbo charger be provided
4 cylinder engine in a full-sized pickup truck that also deactivates 2 cylinders by design. Wonderful, a 1.35L twin moving a truck - what could possibly go wrong with that? Then to learn the fuel economy is no better than the 5.3L LS in my 2000 Sierra 1500 Z71! It passes emissions, that's about it...
nope, research it. This block has been built for a truck application. It's not just a civic motor crammed in a truck. Has large pistons and 5" of stroke. Dual volute turbo too. See it's people like you that know nothing about the motor that give it a bad rep.
Since 2007, the active fuel management 5.3 runs as a V4 - 2.65 liters, & since 2020 the 5.3 has dynamic fuel management & runs as a 2 cylinder , but only 1.325 liters of displacement. Not many people care to drive a 17 yr old truck or older to avoid lifter failure from afm & dfm. By then, everything is failing.
@@dan43213 4.01" stroke & 22 p.s.i boost. (GNX ran 16 p.s.i.) Cummins 5.9 diesel has 4.72" stroke & 22-24 lbs of boost.
Will the turbo engine clap out before the 5.3
Well, hard to say. My '16 5.3 w/ 70k miles got traded in, as I experienced a 'hard miss', followed by check engine light & traction control light illuminating. If it was a lifter stick / potential failure, it would result in a $6k lifter replacement, & I just wasn't going to risk that expenditure that I could never recover. It's all about what one "believes". If one believes a 383 ft lb (V8) engine will tow better, have higher payload, get better mpg than a 430 ft lb (I-4 turbo) engine, one can certainly believe that, although it is false. It is neither true nor false that a V8 will outlast a 2.7 I-4 turbo engine. GM still makes both.
Did Stellantis make a boo boo by replacing 5.7 hemi V8 w/ 3.0 I-6 twin turbo hurricane? How about Ford 10 yrs ago when 2.7 V6 twin turbo was developed? How about in 1949 when GM began ohv V8 to replace straight eights & flatheads? I wonder if that was met w/ skepticism and negativity?
@@ews360 probably so
I am going to throw in my two cents, so using some common sense, something sorely lacking in today's world, what distinguishes a small displacement engine and a larger displacement engine doing the same work? 1. Well let's see, the smaller engine is stressed to move the same weight as a larger engine that loafs doing the same job which historically means less longevity overall. 2. Is it strange that they both get about the same milage doing the same work? 3. So this engine does have a AFM system which has never been tried before, a 3-piece sliding camshaft sleeve which deactivates cylinder 2 and 3 when conditions warrant it, a fuel milage position and a performance position. 4. Let's not forget the 2 balance shafts under the crank to smooth the engine out. 5. Now GM says that they can run on 87 octane, but to get the best performance they recommend at least 91 octane, figure that. To me the trucks style and looks are great and personally I would go for the 5.3 which as of this model year is experiencing excessive oil consumption so much that GM has put out a TSB on it, but that is another story,
"Now GM says that they can run on 87 octane, but to get the best performance they recommend at least 91 octane" Do you have a reference for that? Manual says 87. GM engineer, Kevin Luchansky, says running anything higher on the 2.7L HO is a waste of money.
I question the longevity of the 2.7. The 5.3 is a proven motor but I’m afraid the 2.7 won’t last past 120k miles.
the issue is how often is it in the shop. and is this turbo gunna last 15-20 years in the truck. the 5.3 is tried and tested which the little turbo isn't. From my experience, the GM turbo technology just isn't there yet. If you're trading in your truck under warranty every few years that's fine. but what about the guys who want to buy a truck and drive it longer term and not have to worry about getting shafted with an EV because the turbo went.
I’m interested in a Custom I appreciate your honesty
Great info! Thanks a bunch!
Hi Steve, i know my 2023 silverado 2.7 Manuel says it can run on 87 octane, but what octane should i run in my turbo??
87
Do yourself a favor people and buy a 6.2L go online and buy the AFM delete tune that you just have to plug into the OBD port and boom you have a damn good truck with tons of power.
Does it require premium 91-94 octane for peak performance🤔
No
owners manual sez 87.
I own the 2.7 I like it to be honest it’s a solid truck for a 4 cylinder
I have the Silverado with a 2.7 four cylinder. I wish now I would have got the V8.
Why?
Is the warranty the same ?
Great video👍
Nope. The 5.3 V8 (355 horse/383 torque) has drivetrain warranty of 5 yrs 60,000 miles. The 2.7 turbomax (310 horse/430 torque) has drivetrain warranty of 5 yrs 100,000 miles.
Love the video. I agree. 4 banger has a lot of power.
Everyone talks shit about the 2.7 4 cylinder but Chevy v8 s all have cylinder deactivation so you have a 4 cylinder half the time anyway and the newer I think 2019 and up have displacement on demand and you could be running on 2 cylinders so at this point who gives a shit any more a big engine is only as powerful as the manufacturer allows I do agree that a 2.7 might have to work harder than a v8 but it also has help in the form of a turbo that the v8 doesn’t so it’s like having one big guy aka v8 lift a heavy weight or two smaller guys aka v4 and turbo lift the same heavy weight just my thoughts
I like the RST. I’m going to drive the 5.3 and the 2.7. See which I like.
I have towed with many trucks; Towed over a 100 travel Trailers and High End Boats. Tow vehicle was what ever they gave me for that day. So when it was my time to buy my own. I went ahead and got a 2.7L GMC Elevation 2020 1st Gen. I tow our Travel Trailer 5,287 LBS dry weight including payload 6,477LBS; Turbos are great for towing; fell in love with the LOW END TORQUE! The V8 simply doesn't have it on the GRADES while towing. Yet I'm a V8 fan; but for the price and fully loaded truck with a payload of 1900lbs 4X2. This truck has not had ONE PROBLEM makes 3 YEARS end of month! I have managed to get 29 mpg from Key Largo, FLA to Big Pine Key, FLA averaging 48-52 miles per hour. Regardless if I was going slow. There is no truck other then a diesel that can capture that type of MPG even at a slower speed of 48 to 52 mph. I capture 24-25 mpg's Rural Roads with no stops at 53-55 mph
You may get a rebate, depending on the time you're looking, but now you have to spend 40-60 cents per gallon more on premium gas. Probably not worth it. Plus turboed engines don't hold up as well so you'll be replacing the truck sooner. Things to consider.
@@ivantaylor567 87 octane sez owners manual.
Very good insight - thanks! I may just go with the 2.7 engine just b/c of your video - keep up the great work!
I don’t like the turbo whistle noise when excelarating in the 2.7L.
Turn up the volume on the infotainment system. But for real I don't find it bothersome.
So there's really no reason ot get the 2.7?
Resale value on a 5.3 would be better.
Currently debating between 2023 LT 5.3 va 2023 LT 2.7…. Thanks!
Drive both back to back, that’s what I did
What did you guys end up choosing? I’m looking at a 6 seat 2.7 trail boss 58k vs 5 seat 5.3 RST. 62k
@@kkkaaa8 I got the 2.7 Trailboss, if you haven’t already drive both engine choices back to back in as close to the same trucks as possible
@@kkkaaa8 I drove a 5.3 and a 2.7, however, I ended up with a 2023 Ram 1500 4x4 because the interior, sound, and ride were just all better.
@@johnnylaw348 nice choice! I’m still shopping around, the speakers on those rams bump!
I would take the 2.7
I bought a 22 for these same reasons. Primarily the $4k, or higher, savings. I also got crazy low financing from GM.
I’ve got 25,000 on it and it’s been a blast. I leveled it and put 33x12.50’s on it, and it lost 1 mpg.
Now that it’s broken in? I average 17 mpg in a primarily rural area, with normal driving. That’s beating my 2011 Tacoma that it replaced. And with a lift and BFG All terrains dragging it down.
Overall, the fuel economy is impressive.
Power and driving?
It’s an EVO. Maybe a WRX. Drives like one, it’s almost 50/50 weight balanced like one, and if you can drive well? It handles like no other full size truck, due to the lighter front end. Watch the under steer! Have fun.
We need tuning parts for the 2.7!
It’s pretty much a “Tuner truck for JDM converts.”
I own the Predecessor to this engine mine is a 2021 Chevy Silverado Custom with the 2.7L Turbo 310hp/348lb ft of torque and I will tell you this the first time I test drove it I was like Holy Shit!!! I’ve took it to Bar Harbor Maine, Niagara Falls NY, Brampton Ontario then back down to Baltimore MD and she performed flawlessly June it will be 2 years that I’ve owned and I still absolutely love it
I have towed with many trucks; Towed over a 100 travel Trailers and High End Boats. Tow vehicle was what ever they gave me for that day. So when it was my time to buy my own. I went ahead and got a 2.7L GMC Elevation 2020 1st Gen. I tow our Travel Trailer 5,287 LBS dry weight including payload 6,477LBS; Turbos are great for towing; fell in love with the LOW END TORQUE! The V8 simply doesn't have it on the GRADES while towing. Yet I'm a V8 fan; but for the price and fully loaded truck with a payload of 1900lbs 4X2. This truck has not had ONE PROBLEM makes 3 YEARS end of month! I have managed to get 29 mpg from Key Largo, FLA to Big Pine Key, FLA averaging 48-52 miles per hour. Regardless if I was going slow. There is no truck other then a diesel that can capture that type of MPG even at a slower speed of 48 to 52 mph. I hit 24-25 mpg's Rural Roads with no stops 53-55 mph and capture 25 mpg's.
I'll stick with my 6.2 thank you.
My naturally aspirated 07 ranger 2.3 has 215k on it. Good luck trying that with this turbo POS!
Does Chevy usually offer rebates and incentives on vehicles in high demand? I don’t think so,Chevy is offering that money because they know it’s a tough sell. I looked today and out of 4 dealers in the southwest burbs of Chicago, 70% of trucks on the lot are the 4 banger
That 2.7 works way harder and therefore won't last as long as the V8. I've waiting for 5 months for Custom Trail Boss, because I ordered it with the standard bed and V8.
that's solid logic. I sold one a couple years ago where the customer really like the Custom look but wanted a 6.2L.
Looks like the engine is built like a tank.
Honestly you're not keeping this truck for life.. Give me a good 3-5 years and its the next owners problem.
For resale 5.3 and we know they will go 200,000 plus miles. As long as a
you keep a decent oil change schedule.
The 2.7t will easily outlast the problematic V8s. I know several people that blew 5.3 V8s at low mileage. The 2.7t is designed from the ground up as a truck engine. The 2.7t gets much better mpg in the real world.
What about longevity?
Agreed. Big concern of lifter failure in afm/ dfm V8's. Some lifter failures & subsequent pushrod bending / camshaft damage distributes metal particles in engine. I chose 2,7 turbo, & gained 10% torque for towing. 383 ft lbs to 430 ft lbs. 2.7 turbo is built stout like a diesel but w/ 87 octane fuel.
I like my 5.3. There is no replacement for displacement
There is. Forced induction.
I liked my 5.3 too , until I drove a 3.5 -V6 Ecoboost -Twin turbo Ford F150 and to be honest as much as I love my V8s , I by far prefer my 3.5 Ecoboost over my 5.3 v8 , simply no comparison , my 3.5 out pulls my 5.3 easily. The 3.5 has low end Power like a Deisel engine
GM,Give me a manual transmisson option and im in!
Don't buy a custom, get a LT or RST, Elevation from GMC. Interior road/ wind noise. Carbon buildup after 75K miles will be an issue. If 50% of miles driven are highway or higher, get the 5.3
"Carbon buildup after 75K miles will be an issue. If 50% of miles driven are highway or higher, get the 5.3" Data to support that?
@@toddl1962sure, just look at the older models with the 5.3L… it’s already proven itself
didnt know the 2.7 was available in the trail boss
chevy don't even mention the transmission you know your going down hill there. The 2.7 is actually pulls good and is quick. fuel millage is really no different then the 5.3. But cramming on a turbo and making that small straight 4 do something it doesn't want to do doesn't sound very good. I say get the 5.3 and turn off AFM and have a decent ride till the tranny goes.
I had a 4 cylinder turbo in my last truck and I hated it more than anything. Traded the truck off with 29,000 miles. My problem with the 4 banger turbos is how they run in super cold temperatures. I would start my truck, drive about 10 feet, and then it would bog down, drive 10 feet, bog down. I would have to put it in neutral and rev it up for a while for it to even move. I called the dealership and they told me 4 cyl/turbos need minum 15 minutes of warming up before they run properly. Went away from that engine and now I just start my truck and drive away with zero issues even in negative temps. If you live in super cold temperatures and don't have time to let your truck run for 15 minutes everytime you drive it, find something else. If you live somewhere warm, have fun with your engine that sounds like a lawn mower.
"If you live somewhere warm, have fun with your engine that sounds like a lawn mower." I really don't mind the sound on mine. I only tow my 5Klb boat occasionally and the rest of the time I get around 22mpg around town. Suits me fine.
Here's a negative comment for you. Who in the right mind would order the custom trail boss trim? You're paying more than just the custom package but you still get the crappy interior. There is literally no trim level or package of the silverado that is value anyway. They're all very expensive so you might as well get something a little bit nicer And at least step up to the LT trailboss
You cannot replace displacement period. Make it fair. Pump air in the 5.3.
it would make 620 horse & 860 ft lbs torque (double 2.7 turbo). Kinda overkill.
It’s because Gm trying to get rid of there shity 8 speed transmission
I went with the LZ0 3.0 with max tow. So 3.73 gears big 9.76” rear end. Plus a lot of other upgrades. Crue Cab with the regular bed 6’6”. It has been averaging between 27 and 33 mpg. And pulls like a freight train being it has 495 torque. 460 torque at 1500 rpm.
But the new 2.7 should be a killer little motor. Ford has already proven small motors can work.
So why is gm pushing the 2.7 if the gas mileage is the same as the 5.3? Why do you want people in the 2.7 and not the 5.3? I think the point you're missing here is people want the simplicity of the V8. The whole point of going with a smaller engine is efficiency and the 2.7 misses that mark. I guess this is an attempt to try and compete with Ford?
They can build the 2.7 cheaper. EVERYTHING with GM is MONEY, even if it doesn't work, they DON'T care, they've already "gotchata"
It’s not mileage but emissions that are driving it. And for “simplicity” the Gen V V8s are not simplistic at all, especially the refresh V8s with dynamic fuel management. If people really wanted simplistic like you say they’d be clamoring for EVs.
@@IVloses Yeah EV’s lol another unproven technology that people are starting to realize may not be the best option. Like I said earlier, I’ll keep buying my proven NA engines as long as I have a choice. For the record I’d buy the 2.7 before I’d even consider an EV.
Yeah, but you get the 10 speed with the 5.3L, and that's totally worth it
5.3 is providing powertrain
For 2022 and up 2.7 is a better choice vs the current 5.3. Current 2.7 is overbuilt and will take abuse. Wish Chevrolet would make a 3.5 straight 6 turbo or something like that. Would be an easy 400hp engine with probably 550lb of torque
Sorry. I like getting better than 5mpg while towing.
do you work for chevy, not only would not buy this 4cyl. i would not buy a chevy.
Noone seems to mention that the 2.7 requires premium gas and the V8 doesn't. You're not saving a dime in the long run and with the upcoming wars there may be times you won't get premium at all.
Owners manual states 87 octane for 2.7 turbo.
2.7 turbo vs 5.3 v8 is $6,000 less = 40,000 miles worth of fuel. jeez.
Turbo issues or lifter issues hmmm decision’s decisions…
I’ll stick with my Trailboss diesel and 27 highway mpg.
Steve dang O dang!
Now It's clear that those 2.7 engines aren't selling or too many issues with this truck and no one is buying them rebates n incentives come with a hidden cost
There's NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES..
Son had 496 (8.1 liter) Chev truck for a while. Needed more balls, so went w/ better substitute = turbo. Cummins. Dropped 25% of displacement from 496 to 360 - (8.1 to 5.9). Dropped 25% of cylinders from V8 to I-6. I dropped from 5.3 to 2.7 turbo & gained 12% greater torque made @ 27% lower rpm, saved $6,000 to buy 40,000 miles worth of 87 octane gas, greater payload than 5.3 truck, similar towing, better mpg. 2024 has 5 yr 100,000 drivetrain warranty like duramax. Lifter failing 5.3 = 60,000 mile warranty.
Take the V8 naturally aspirated. No turbo issues and engine doesn't work as hard. 2.7 will be on rebuild bench long before the NA V8 if both are maintained correctly. No brainer, numbers (towing payload) are near equal. V8!
Exactly! I also do not trust GM when they say "we torture test all of our engines..." If they did that the lifter issue would have been avoided. They knew it was an issue and decided to go ahead and launch it in a lot of vehicles. Luckily I have not had any issues with my 5.3l at 110k, I don't know if its because I keep up with oil changes or if its because my truck rarely goes into V4. This engine would be great in the Colorados or Canyon etc... But why develop it now? Ford has been doing this for 10+ years! So GM takes a Toyota I4 and bolts a turbo up to it? Putting it in 1/2 ton vehicle is a big mistake. GM would do what Toyota is doing with the I-Force max and bolting a hybrid electric engine in between the engine and tranny, but we all know GM engineering and reliability recently is terrible.