Give Me an Answer - Why Does Anyone Have Value, and Who Cares About Opinions?
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2022
- Program 3321 ................... - Relativity - Evolution - Historical Truth.................................................................
Recorded at Texas - September 2021.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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The guy at the begining walked away as if he won an argument.
Pure emotion lol
I enjoy how humble cliff is by not chasing after these emotional types that don't listen very well.
He realized he's out of his league then decided to drop the mic 🎤 and walk away like he won 🤣
cliff is truly A Man after Christ
Its impossible to convince a fool that he's a fool. That's why God says not to put pearls before swine.
I’ve seen your oldest videos to the most recent ones and I enjoy every single one…. You can see the change in mindsets between the years… it’s crazy
The intelligence level of students rapidly decreased
@@Mojojojo335 😂😂😂😂 they are to smart for themselves
oh the wokeism is out of control ... the people who messed these students minds up will answer for it when they meet God.
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We are loosing our values generation by generation. Steadily we are falling away from the scriptures and from what Jesus taught. College teaches everything is relative, reality is there is very little relative in life. Most things come down to good and evil or right and wrong if you honestly think about it.
Relativism is killing this generation, don’t they see it?!
Thanks be to God for the presence of mind and answers Cliffe is offering
Relativism is killing humanity. And you're right, they DON'T see it.
In fact, many are so sure that what they want is what others OUGHT to do that they never investigate why others should care.
@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 You just described how Christians behave.
@@JVIPER88 so? Christians believe in objective moral values so it's perfectly rational.
How do you justify your belief that others should behave the way you want them to?
@@JVIPER88 maybe you should learn what relativism means… it means anything goes. For example, Rape is okay and so is murder and so is torturing kids. rethink your comment and come back to us.
Exactly Cliffe. AMEN BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST OUR LORD 🙏❤️. I really enjoy and appreciate his Christ centered content it really shows how ignorant millions of people are about both Christianity and Atheism. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of but not macro or micro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
So glad that Cliff keeps talking to people 🙌🏼 it’s something that we need more than people realize.
yeah, and he only gets irritated when it’s completely necessary - very hard to do
I recently started preaching in the university and I'm blown the great conversation you can have with each other
@@preachingjesusministry7201 Several YT St Preachers been doing that for years. I've met Pastor Cliffe and Assistant Pastor Stuart, and have listened to them speak on a University Campus
@@Brucev7 what university he be in ?
@@preachingjesusministry7201 This looks like either University of TX, or Southwest TX St
She's a good example of today's society. They have ears yet they don't hear.
She’s idealistic and doesn’t have a clue as to the real world outside of college. So she just has to grow up and mature
@@albusdumbledore219 the church doesn’t have a clue about the secular word outside its doors, Jesus is wrong and I’ll prove it, he says I won’t come to him for fear that my evil works will be exposed, I am speaking for myself and I am me and I’m telling you that is not true.
@@Notarabbit911 so you love the darkness; evil?
@@kingkayleb I’m not evil, I’m not a moral geek either
@@Notarabbit911all sin is evil. I have done evil because I have rebelled against God. I do not deserve heaven. No one does. But God WANTS all of us there. If you say Jesus is wrong then why would you not want to accept a free gift of salvation? If the reason is you don’t believe then you should know Jesus has a lot to say about not believing. That’s your argument though? Really? Just because a singular thing Christ said in John chapter 3? You have faith in that being a sound reason why you can’t trust God?
"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood"
No human is the real enemy, dark spiritual influence at work.
What struggle, you’ve never lived in a ruff outdoor or 3rd world environment
@@Notarabbit911And you’ve never experienced the real battle of Satan and his followers on earth
@@albusdumbledore219 are you saying no body has done it Tougher than you, what about people in 3rd world countries, who ever is attacking them must be something worse than Satan , as if Satan attacks you, why do you do it tuff sometimes? Because that’s life, stop scapegoating Satan for all your problems.
@@albusdumbledore219 the real battle with Satan 😆 😆 😆 are you serious, you think that’s real?
Humanity actually devolving by listening to her standards.
I am a quite sure humanity is more resilient than that.
@@theoskeptomai2535 I bet you are. I've been praying for you lately.
@@paulinhisprime8440 Do believe praying for me is going to slow or stop this 'devolving' of humanity?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Just praying that you will give your life to Christ one day. The end is already written, it's what we do now that counts.
@@paulinhisprime8440 The end of _what_ is already written?
We can be encouraged by the fact that sometimes when these lost souls see themselves later on video they see the problems with their reasoning.
Hopefully the young college kids will not buy into an evil religion sending billions to hell
As a militant atheist type until I was 20, the conundrum of moral relativism is what brought me to Christ. Took me 3 years, and I’ve had great teachers in that time. Been binging Cliffe for 3 days. Hearing these conversations on the moral argument are great.
The morality argument is what made me a believer, lifelong atheist who was raised atheist and this topic is what opened my mind.
You know what’s weird to me that no one ever brings up? Why does music have an emotion correlation? Like you could play triumphant music (with no lyrics) to any culture, and my guess is they would all describe the emotion of the music the same. Not 100% but generally speaking.
@@BobDobalena Charlie Kirk lists music as one of strongest proofs that God exists.
You've addicted yourself to accepting nonsense as facts, and believing nonsense spreaders without question, thereis no such thing as "Militant atheist" there is only one "Type" of atheist, one that rejects theist claims their gods exist, the fact your using a theist fallacious claim of what atheist are, signals to me your a liar to claim you were ever an atheist. There is a valid reason atheist reject theist god claim, so inform me of the irrefutable, undeniable, indisputable, empirical, demonstrative conclusive evidence the god you now claim to exist, does so, if you cannot ( and no one has ever been able to)then have the honesty to admit you lied when you said you were an atheist.
Same here. I grew up in the stars! I love astrophysics and everything about it but GOD MADE ALL OF THIS. Whos to say Jesus isn’t the son of God! Christ is King! To believe in his one and only son❤️
A good question I like to ask moral relativists, or those who attribute morality and guilt to social contract/utilitarianism, is: 'If you could commit a crime that would make you feel pleasure and improve your life, and you knew you would get away with it, why wouldn't you do it?' (For example, you see a poor family drop their wallet and then walk off into the distance and no one is around to see if you take it). The innate aptitude for guilt as a result of conscious wrong-doing is one of the strongest pieces of evidence for God, in my opinion.
Thats a good question lol I'll have to try it next time i debate atheist !
Silli argument,your mind sounds like a 4 year old.
@@ericscaillet2232 care to elaborate?
There are a load of different responses to seeing a wallet dropped. Here are six that I can think up right now:
1) Return it to the owner
2) Keep it for yourself
3) Do nothing
4) Remove all forms of ID, hand it to the police and claim ignorance to who it belongs to so you can legally take ownership at a later date if the owner does not claim it first
5) Hand it to someone else to return to the owner
6) Donate the monetary content to charity
How do you know the family is poor? Knowing the family is likely to generate a very different response to not knowing them.
Taking it I would not feel guilty because I could easily justify my action in such a scenario. Personally, 95% of the time I would return it to the owner. I would return the wallet as a pragmatic principle. For starters, you qualified the family as poor. Therefore, the content of their wallet will not be life-changing for me. Second, I want to live in a world where if I drop my wallet someone will return it to me. I believe in leading by example and positively contributing towards the type of society I want to live in. Third, people will generally hold those who demonstrate helpful integrity in an esteemed position and be far more willing to reciprocate such favourable behaviour. Fourth, as a social species, we receive positive reinforcement when we help the tribe in the form of dopamine. It makes us feel good. We get pleasure from helping others.
I think to add to your statement: "If you could commit a crime that would make you feel pleasure and improve your life, and you knew you would get away with it, AND you knew it would benefit your society, heck, the world, why wouldn't you do it?"
Let's say you're a Jew who stealthily captured Hitler and offed him in some underground bunker no one knows about. Most people would want a maniacal tyrant like Hitler dead, and yet many people would probably feel there is a clear distinction between simply ending the life of someone who is clearly a major threat to life and torturing someone who has perpetrated harm to life. In the end, what's the difference between that Jew torturing Hitler before he eventually dies (brings pleasure to him, improves his life and his society's and the world's quality of life when he eventually kills Hitler, and no one even knows it was him who did it, and he feels no guilt, in fact, feels very justified in doing all this) and ending it without the prolonged torture?
If people even consider Hitler is worthy of the torture, why is it acceptable in his case and not in other cases, for instance, with a murderer who has only killed one person in a relatively or completely painless way? Is it just the number of kills, the way they killed? In fact, why is killing another human wrong in most cases, even some extreme cases, and yet killing someone like Hitler would generally be seen as acceptable, perhaps even good?
Isn't it interesting that typically the basis of moral decision making is around protecting life AND the quality of that life, whether it's one's own or another's? It affirms the value of life itself, and even if a society was based on the idea of torturing, killing, and eating other humans or living things, it would at the very least affirm the value and dignity of one's own life, which makes no sense if someone believes we are no different than say a train wreck: random atoms colliding until you eventually get humans. People generally try to stop someone from ending their own life, even if it's what they want, even if it seems reasonable on the surface given their circumstances, even if it "doesn't harm anyone else," even if that person's death may seemingly benefit others.
To be intellectually consistent, the idea of protecting life of any kind is just as absurd as protecting your trash, your damaged goods, your dysfunctional equipment, or your harmful cleaning chemicals because that is just as valuable as what humans are if no outside purpose is given, infused innately in our makeup.
I said it elsewhere in the comments here, but I'll simplify here again. I feel people get caught up in the specifics of a specific moral code and don't address the fundamentals enough, namely that all humans are trying to live what they consider "good" while avoiding what they consider "evil," and that that concept's basis is around the affirmation of the value of life and the quality of that life, whether it is all life, human life, or just one's own life. If I had to describe morality, I would describe it that way and argue from there rather than focusing too narrowly on the specific expression of that moral code.
I'm learning a lot from these questions. I appreciate your work, Thanks Cliffe. don't stop.
Glory to God
Their ignorance is unreal and I believe Cliff kept them in the discussion for entertainment purposes.
"She's just telling you and arguing with you because of what she has been told by her teacher"! I commend you Cliffe for standing up and teaching Gods word and trying to convert these students and people to believe in God and take Jesus as their savior! Thank you Cliffe! May God watch over you and keep you safe from harm! Stand in there my brother! ❤and🙏's.
These kids just had a life changing experience...love your work Cliff.
I like how covid doesn’t effect her when she’s speaking, but when she’s not speaking she quickly slides her mask up 😂
They're outside in the sunshine, too. Makes no sense.
@@taramckinley7585 none of it makes sense
@@jesussaves4623 yeah, a worshiping a human sacrifice doesn't make much sense either
@@GuitarDog_atx strawman argument, we worship Jesus, God in the flesh not a human, a hypostatic union.
Try again?
@@jesussaves4623 not a strawman. It's biblical. He was a human when he supposedly "died"
Ok I binged a lot of Cliffe’s videos, and now I just feel sadness for these lost and troubled souls. If you are not one of them, let’s take a moment to pray for them.
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Happy birthday!!
been watching cliff's videos for many yrs now from india. im glad ppl there are able to street preach still, freedoms we don't have here. pray these kids wake up from the brainfog of pluralism secularism moral-relativist-mixed-indian-buffet-masala( that us easterners are to be blamed for) and do some serious thinking about life while there's time
“Wake up and smell the coffee “. Clife. Putting that on a shirt, Love it!! 😂
Love to see new conversations from you guys.
Really inspiring. God bless.
Appreciate the support and God bless you friend.
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Love your name
Inspiring you to do what ?
@@20yrs_oldBlackGuy I find it inspiring when fellow Christians defend their faith and reasons for following Christ.
The last dude... "No matter what you do give me, it will not be enough." Now, if we flip the tables and ask him for "evidence" to support whatever his worldview is, think he could give us any sound arguments or scientific evidence? _Me neither!_
THe burden of proof is on the theist.
@@stonemaze9925
Actually, BOTH sides have the burden of "proof", the theist and the atheist/naturalist. But basically you are admitting that I'm right. When the naturalist is challenged to give good reasons for their faith, they've got nothing.
One person sees a man healed with no medical intervention and says praise God, the other says well no wonder look his red blood cell count increased and that is why he was healed, hes lucky. Science can provide the how, but never the why.
@@dogelife7901
Luke 16:31?
@@stonemaze9925
Can't handle the load, can ya? Isn't that what I said? Yep!
These discussions are so good ! - can we get more please :)
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It’s so good to see this more recent video by Cliffe and his son Stuart. I love all of your videos but seeing this I was like wow…Cliffe’s back!!! 😎 I thank God for you Cliffe and your ministry with your son.
it’s a dream come true that they started uploading the new content !
Thank you Cliffe! Please don’t stop talking to people
Jacob was literally dancing around the question 😂😂
Wow that second person thinks incredibly well, he accepts that historical evidence exists that Jesus was a real person, claimed what he claimed and did what he did, but questions whether the evidence is telling the truth. I don't know if I've ever seen a college student admit to that in all of these videos. Props for the honesty!
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You are wright but his mannerisms, in my eyes comes over as if hè is mocking God and is pridefull in doing that.
I don’t want to jump to any conclusions here but, if the mind is the battlefield then satan has a pretty large spot occupied.
@@timapperloo786 The mannerisms were not out of mockery, you can tell this guy is just somewhat socially awkward.
@@iQuiiKKz Yes, i also agree with that.
I love watching these videos. It amazes me how people will sidestep the facts laid out in front of them and try to prove you and your son wrong. Keep up the great work spreading the word of God.
The mental gymnastics required for people to run away from God never ceases to amaze me.
Is it possible this god you've mentioned does not exist?
@@theoskeptomai2535 Even if Jesus stands in front of you performing miracles, you will still not believe in Him, just like many of the Pharisees and Sadducees in the time Jesus walk on the earth.
Not only you won't believe in Him, but you will also hate Him and desire to murder Him again.
Exactly they rather believe nonsense than admit to him having a point, prideful and wrong.
@@shuoyuanshih8583 Do you make false projections about all people or only atheists?
@@theoskeptomai2535 It doesn't matter whether atheists or agnostics ot theists.
The pharisees and sadducees surely aren't atheists nor agnostics.
They are in fact in the level of a scholar and the level of high priests.
They know all the texts, try to obey every laws, and worship God daily.
They took it very seriously.
The thing I am saying is, even the extremely religious pharisees and sadducees in Jesus's day can't recognize Him as the Messiah and accept Him as the visible physical manifestation of God the Father who is an invisible Spirit.
No matter how much head knowledge they have about the prophecies of the Messiah and tons of living evidences given, they just simply can't believe it.
They saw it with their eyes, yet they saw none.
They heard it with their ears, yet they heard none.
They profess to be wise, yet they can't understand.
They are spiritually blinded, deafened, and heart hardened.
They can't see God in Jesus.
God makes those who self proclaimed to be wise to become foolish.
God resists the proud.
They can't see God unless they first humble themselves and start praying.
We can't find God in this world by our own efforts.
Only God draws us to Himself will we find Him.
Ultimately, they hated Jesus and considered Him as a threat.
They planned to falsely accuse Him and murder Him which they did.
Also, today the world hates Christians because they hate Jesus first.
See how Christians are portrayed as the bad ones, the crazy ones, the silly ones, in nowadays by the media and society?
See how Christian values and teachings are considered offensive and must be silenced at all cost?
The most hated, persecuted, mocked, assaulted, and mudered religion in the world?
The most blasphemed name used as a cuss word is Jesus?
The world tolerates everything but Christianity?
Every Ideas and laws start to rebel against God by doing the opposite?
...etc.
Hope this answers your question.
God bless you in Jesus's name.
God bless his patience and knowledge in Christ.
I can't help but love cliffe to bits
Thank you pastor cliff for helping grow our knowledge and understanding . You reasoning really opens my mind. I did once talk to a guy and i wasn't prepared but i spoke words/answers that were not my own... Holy spirit gave me words in that moment.... God does give us what to speak. hearing your conversations give me confidence. Thank you. God bless you!
I'm glad you're getting back out there and doing this again, you can trust God to provide for all of our needs and have peace from him, not to live in fear.
I’m happy and sad at the same time, I’m happy cliff is still doing this but I’m sad that he’s getting older ☹️
Just stumbled across this. I remember being in college and thinking, "So I am having to learn all these opinions of "philosophers" to get a degree. Opinions based on their own desire to justify their pet sins. I'm glad Cliff is out there
everyone wants to be like cliffe. so knowledgeable
Oh, please...!!!
@@stonemaze9925 stay tuned wokie, you'll learn a thing or two.
Not from you for sure@@JohnjOcampo
@@stonemaze9925 what could i ever teach a human being who wilfully reduces reality to simply matter and energy just because his puny eyes can't see it all that's in existence.
What can I tell a deluded individual that thinks he/she sees things that are not there, and cannot give one, not one solid piece of evidence that is testable outside of his/her own imagination? And how do you know what I think? ...Now, the historical figure of Jesus may be based on an itinerant Apocalyptic Nazarene rabbi at the time, and there is no known authour of those gospels...Check it out....KJV introduction pages....Who was accredited with saying 'None so blind but those who will not see...' But I say: 'None so stupid as those who imagine that they see things'.@@JohnjOcampo
When someone starts saying humans aren’t worth more than cockroaches they are taking an L, shout out to the Christian guy during this debate. Humans are way more valuable than those little bugs.
She keeps taking her mask off while talking.. what's even the point 😂😂💀
another great one! I love your use of reason and logic and I always find it mind boggling that in the face of such evidence, that some students do everything they can not to see or understand.
This videos have taught me a lot. One thing I wish Cliffe and Stuart would engage a little bit more is presuppositional apologetics. I notice sometimes they struggle challenging the presuppositions of the audience. The main problem with the non believer is the presuppositions they bring into the conversation and the fact that they cannot account for them. They need to be challenged there and thus shown the futility of their worldview.
Keep up the good work guys. I’m always glad to see you guy’s fighting to bring the good news to campus where it seems like they are being indoctrinated with secular and atheistic views. And showing them that those beliefs have no leg to stand on logically. Stay strong and I look for to seeing more videos of you guy’s making people think about the hard questions. :)
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We do thank you and love you, Cliffe and team. Keep going, brother! God bless! In Jesus' name!
Just found this channel while working and UA-cam doing its thing and skipping from one video to this one Glory to God subscribed!
It's so beautiful to see father ( cliff) and son, just like yeshua and Yahweh.
Crying out to save .
God Bless you Cliff and your son for doing what you do.
wow, cliffes first response to the first girl was el perfect tow...everything that girl thought she knew was just blown apart , never to be reassembled.
She was shook when he brought up the Dread Scott decision
If society agrees them it's right. Oh hello abortion, didn't see you there.
@@dogelife7901 you think killing innocent babies is right?
Thanks for the videos. You Cliff and your son are really teaching me how to better stand up for Christ. I have really fallen short a number of times defending the faith and even explaining my own belief. I've been a follower of Christ my entire life, but have only just within the last two years really dove in and tried to study and learn more. I listen to your guys videos pretty regularly. I'll be 40 in July by the way. I pray you guys continue this for as long as possible. God bless.
Brandon...
God bless you Cliffe. You are very brave in these scary times we live in. I wish I was smart enough to keep up with even half of these kids. God is looking down on you smiling cheek to cheek❤️
Thank you Cliffe and Stuart for your unwavering desire to engage the secular world. To engage them in a way to take them out of their comfort zone to bring them to Christ.
Subjective Moral AKA Moral Relativism is getting worse in University! Both people were very respectful in their conversations however Cliffe and Stuart you dominated the conversation(s) by appeal to objective morality in which both people desperately had to reconstruct their arguments or intentionally avoid the trap they set on themselves.
God bless!
Is lying objectively immoral in your view jrc?
@@bonnie43uk
Keep fishing and being facetious, troll!
@@bonnie43uk *yawn* Next!
@@jrc99us Where do i find a list of these objectively immoral acts jrc? .. and are they clearly defined? ... if a person has a sexy thought, is that objectively immoral, or does it very much depend on the situation?
Oh my, seems like bonnie43uk has cranked the emotional angst up to 8.
Cliffs absolutely shreds 🤣
Don’t let the fish off the hook.
Both these two are highly intelligent and great
So many people ask questions that waste time. They are pointless questions without the knowledge of Salvation. Not only that, much of the time the questioner has no intention to pursue Truth,- only to seek self-justification
I incorporate this with my Bible study. Get my daily word and debating skills.
Ps. When cliff puts his hands on his knees you know he’s conjuring up some Holy Spirit power lol.
Care to hone you debating skills in a cordial debate concerning my rational position of atheism? I can point out any flaws I recognize in your arguments. It can help you prepare for the next time you debate an atheist. I will take no offense if you decline this invitation. Just thought I'd give you a learning opportunity. Peace.
I love how Theo Skeptomai always wants not discuss his favorite subject.... himself. Yawn...
She has an intellect, maybe warped, but there is a chance she will come around once she thinks it through.
I love how cliffe always keeps them on topic and dosent allow them to derive from the initial question or topic because deep down most of these young people who step up they want to walk away feeling they are right and not weather or not they learned something new so Im not suprised when I hear they havent researched the entire topic because they dont WANT to find evidence
Loved the historic student. His movements were graceful and inspiring. Do mean that.
Sometimes "most people" are dead wrong and I believe it should be pointed out.
They may not seem to listen.
But having had it pointed out to them, and staying consistent to continue to point it out to them, it's going to make some people think. Some may join in pointing out their practice is dead wrong. Not just how those people feel about what's being done that's dead wrong.
It's not how you feel , it's a moral absolute. Like genocide and mass murder. History has examples where it had to be pointed out.
Often the result was that having become aware of it, more and more voices agreed. Some examples had to be stopped by force because entire countries and a growing number became allies for the moral absolute against two or three.
They were stopped and many of them were not tried for crimes because they turned out suicidal. They took cyanide to avoid an earthly judgement.
The moral absolute demanded they face trial. Now they're dead and those who did go complained they were just doing what their society adopted as their moral.
The proceeding stopped as the moral absolute was explained.
Then the judgement was made. By people.
They derived their moral from being more right because of the intrinsic value in those human beings. Turns out, the whole society was following a small group of people with no moral values on the sanctity of human life. They were destroying their "scapegoat" and would then pick another group. Uniting their society by hatred of its weakest members. That's dead wrong.
Thanks for persevering in your awesome work among these young people. Praise God!
I Love it when Cliffe has someone there with him! After all 2 is better then 1!
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Thank you!
Great to see some new material, seems like there have been a lot of repeats the past couple months
I love your videos. You should make them longer or at least a short version and a long version because its helpful.
Loving this, keep it coming
Great content Cliff!
I’m losing hope for humanity. 😭 HOW are these kids in college? Forgive me Lord. That’s why we need to do better when it comes to our education and philosophy. It’s truly important because that’s what orients people in the direction they’re going. And if we continue to have poor education with bad directions.. people end up lost. They end up with misguided theologies and misinformed philosophies.
Its a sin problem
We need to place our faith in Jesus...not humanity. 😇🙏😎
@@mrupholsteryman you’re absolutely right. 🙏🏻❤️👍🏻 thank you
15:30 I’m Christian and I think she is absolutely right. That’s why broad is the gate to destruction and narrow is the path that leads to salvation
Yeah me personally I don't think there is a wrong or right in a crime you commit honestly. You can't control your self. So for instance if someone instigated something to the instigator then you do something that's breaking the law according to the justice system I consider you to not be right or wrong.
I'm a Christian and I don't approve this comment.
@@yetsomgize83 What is your point then because you don't approve it?
@@20yrs_oldBlackGuy sorry comment was meant for @Jonah Ghost
@@yetsomgize83 I know it was. I'm just asking what do you disagree with ?
Your videos are so inspiring .
Love you guys!
does the women at the start not understand what she is saying? having morality based upon what society says or a social contract is subject to change that basis for morality is dangerous.
and basing on morality on if actions harm another human is relative as well. there could be a society that says inflicting pain on a certain ethnic group is right and prevents us from pain...so what do you do then?
You shove them on trains, send them to work camps, and gas them. It's for the good of your country!
So by her logic rape isn't wrong murder or Hitler killing innocent jews.
I guess that's why our elders and people from the older generation calls us infants.
By his logic he would be a serial rapist if he didn't believe in God.. sick man sick smh
So why is she is arguing with him?
loved the beginning. Great!
The eyes are the window into the soul.
Her eyes are crazy and out of touch
Wow this one with the masks definite dates it doesn't it?
Stuart: Survival of the fittest -> loving each other.
Her: We have evolved to a higher order, we have accumulated knowledge.
I disagree with her notion that humans are smarter and have cumulative knowledge. I argue with people all the time when they state how the knowledge in their minds is tailored and selected, and finite. People today are no smarter than people 2000 years ago. How many people today know how to make a cell phone, much less survive in the wilderness? If her sentiment was true, she and the rest of the God hating athiests that argue with you both wouldn't need history lessons on what prominent athiestic philosophers have previously stated, "Giving them the Cliffe notes" as it were.
The Egyptians built the pyramids, albeit with the help of millions of Jewish slaves. Imagine what they'd do with today's tech. It's a matter of resources not ability. "Cave men" were just men without cellphones and metallurgy. No evolution or branches of some lesser human form men have always been men since they were created.
It's the old "why would I believe a book written by sheep herders" as if they didn't live in the time of the collesuem and massive "advanced" civilized empires. And it conveniently implies that we are somehow smarter and more advanced when in many ways its the opposite.
These kids are relative about every deviant and obscene activity but they’re absolute in thinking there is no God.
"Proclaiming themselves to be wise they became fools..."
“Wake up and smell the coffee” ohhhh that’s a GOOD one!😂
Why does she keep putting her mask up and down as if she's protecting anyone
That's her signal on switching between subjective and objective morality.
The real question is, why do Christians need an imaginary friend to tell them not to rape each other??
What are they teaching kids in schools i wouldn't pay a dime to go learn that trash.
For this woman's perspective to be true then it would be seen universally, but as everyone knows life is not see as intrinsically valuable. Many places around this world still commit horrific atrocities that are justified by their sense of morality.
Comment 500,
nice.. preach brother.
God be with you.
That mask going up and down, senseless.
kinda like her mind
Driving me crazy watching her pull it up and down, makes no sense??
Ah, go easy on her. For her to hang in there and so sincerely debate is pretty awesome. I believe His seeds are planted in her mind now.
There are Two spirits at work here:
The spirit of the world,
and the spirit which is of God.
There are Two wisdoms of teaching at work here:
The words which man's wisdom teachers
and the wisdom which the Holy Ghost teachers.
The Two results are:
The natural man which receives not the things of God.
Neither can he know them.
Because they are spiritually decerned.
And the spiritual man that judges all things
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually decerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Corinthians 2:12-15
Have you ever observed a spirit?
Have you ever observed love?
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@@dogelife7901 Certainly. I observe love every single day.
So have you observed a spirit? Yes or no.
@@theoskeptomai2535 The context is the mind, through man's wisdom(philosophy, humanism etc) the mind does not receive the things of the Spiriit of God, and also cannot know them, why? Because they are spiritually discerned.
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1 Corinthians 1:21-23
Keep up the good work
Praise GOD ( I AM THAT I AM ) in the name of Jesus ...... "to the death for THY Kingdoms Glory "
As it relates to slavery.If the Bible can say don’t eat shell fish. It can say “don’t own people”
Sure. But it doesn't. Instead it says "This is the way it's been up until now. We're going to make these changes. And eventually, slavery will be no more."
Slavery in biblical times was of its own kind. It was part of the society where people who could not pay their debt otherwise, sold themselves to be able to do so.
@@nikokapanen82 wrong.
@@Malhaloc that’s like me being a rapist and saying I’m not going to rape anymore. Fine for the people I encounter in the future. But what about the ones I’ve wronged in the past. It might have been different if someone with authority I loved, revered, and respected said don’t rape. Not, I’ll slowly help you change your mind on rape.
@@mykidsfather6112 rape violates at least 3 of the commandments: Theft, murder and adultery. I'm sure if I think about it harder I can come up with more. But you would make it a single commandment? "Do not rape"?
Those masks are ridiculous
Couldn't agree more!
Somehow I just now found this channel, its great! There's no way I'm supposed to believe this man is not Todd Friel's father, right??! 😅 I mean, the face, the body type, the mannerisms, the voice, even the preaching...he's literally like the exact same person lol
Yes, you're right! 😄
Well, despite the disagreement and the tension in the discussion, at least she remained polite and respectful so I'll at least cheer to that
DESPERATELY trying to convince themselves there is no God
You do understand what "the burden of proof" is dont you? Belief is not a choice you are either convinced or you are unconvinced and it's evidence that convinces. I could not just make myself believe in fairies at the bottom of my garden no matter how much I closed my eyes and stamped my feet. Therefore it's you that need to convince her , not vice versa.
Are you DESPERATELY trying to convince yourself that pink unicorns are not real ? How about aliens , yeti's, leprechauns, Thor, zeus, Mohammed ??
@@trumpbellend6717 Fairies and unicorn arguments are category errors. They are fallacies of equivocation when used as comparisons to the inference of the existence of a supreme being logic. Believing that life comes from non life and that order comes from chaos are truth claims that that require an awful lot of faith. Comparing the belief in fairies to the logical inference based belief in the existence of a first and sufficient cause for the existence of the universe, is merely atheists obviously trying to escape their own burden of proof. When confronted by Stuart about the hypocrisy of moral relativism this girl's answer was that she had to leave. The truth made her uncomfortable. I truly believe that an atheist doesn't find God for the same reason a criminal doesn't find the police. Not because they're bad people, but because they don't want a god to exist, and refuse to acknowledge the evidence (not proof) that points in that direction.
@@2569dan "category errors" and "false equivocation" you say well I would disagree are Thor & zeus also not man made "supreme beings" just like Yarweh ? But ok if you want to insist on another equivocation could I not just ASSERT that the "first cause lies in.........
About 500 million light years past the milky way there is a planet . And way underground in caves on this planet there lives a tribe of invisible leprechauns. They spend their days FARTING , and these FARTS smell like lemon curd. But every third fart then turns into a galaxy, incredible.
Can you prove that those FARTS dont smell like lemon curd eh can you ? Can you ? Because if you can't it must therefore be true .😀.
Now are you DESPERATELY trying to convince yourself that my leprechauns are not real ?? Or are you just unconvinced because there is insufficient evidence to warrant belief??
You dont believe in my leprechauns but
You see I'm not saying your a bad person but that " you dont want my -God- leprechauns to exist. ( you see what I did there 🤔 )
_"life from non life"_
Do YOU not think that your God made life from non life ??
If you want to claim that your God is eternal then I say DEMONSTRATE IT .. ... or I could just ASSERT that life has always existed 😜
Let me guess my explanation has to follow rules that yours does not because your explanation is "MAGIC" 💥
Special pleading anyone ??
I have no "burden of proof " that lies entirely at YOUR door. . You do realise that the burden of proof lies with those making the positve claim dont you.?
Athiesm is not necessarily the claim that god does not exist , but rather it's about being unconvinced by the evidence provided saying he does
To use a courtroom analogy . You the prosecution accuse god of of being guilty of Existing
I the jury find him not guilty of existing ( because of lack of evidence) that DOES NOT MEAN I definitely know he is INNOCENT of existing. Merely that you have not provided enough evidence to prove him guilty ,,,, ,,, I find god not guilty of , existing.
As for your nonsense about the girls morality being "hypocritical" and "moral relativism" let's take a closer look at that shall we ........
Now i shall deal with it in respect to both the christian and secular perspectives this is going to entail a rather long response I'm afraid I apologise in advance. It also has 2 small pieces of copy & paste data, at the start but the rest is all my own words. But please bear with me and read through to the end .
Ok let's start with the christian perspective as it's by far the most complicated. Theological morality revolves around the concepts of Sin and objectivity neither of which stand upto scrutiny. Sin is a percieved transgression against specific gods wishes yet if we are talking about what SIN is and the objectivenes of a god there are only 2 billion Christians out of 7 billion people on earth so that's 5 billion people dont even think the god with the talking snake & donkey Is the correct one. Let's break that down before we address christianity shall we.
of followers:
Here are just 20 of the most popular gods out of THOUSANDS
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
Ok now let's move onto the one that's the correct religion in *your subjective opinion*
Christianity is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist - the list goes on. Estimations show there are more than 200 Christian denominations in the U.S. alone.
According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025.
Do they all agree about the trinity ?
Is the pope the head of the church?
Can priests marry ?
Birth control ?
Sexuality?
Can women be ordained ?
How to attain salvation?
The nature of mary ?
Dispensationalism vrs covernantalism
Freewill vrs predestination ?
Eternal security ?
Faith vrs works ?
Heaven ?
Hell?
Evolution?
Alcohol?
Birth control?
I'm going to stop here because I could literally go on for hours. They disagree and have different opinions with regard to all of the above that's precisely WHY they have different denominations. *ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE*
All these different gods and denominations past and present offer differing morality that has nothing to do with human wellbeing but often contradict and conflict with each other on almost every issue.
Now if YOU want to claim your particular god as the objective reference point for morality. You first have to show that YOUR particular god is infact THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and *not merely the only true god in your subjective opinion*
Are all the other gods and denominations other than yours false and yours true If so prove it . otherwise you offer nothing but a *subjective opinion on morality*
But let's just suppose there is *A* god for the sake of argument, and his intent was to convey his moral objectivity to us via scriptures. ( _extremely unlikely god would choose this method in my humble opinion_ ) has he been successful?
I think we can all agree that need for apologists and interpretation of copies of copies of translations has led to vast numbers of wildly differing beliefs and even none belief. That's just in regard to the god of the bible, Not to mention all the other current and past gods people believed in.
So I think we can all agree he has failed in achieving objectivity with regard to morality in this respect. Under the current world theology, objectivity does not exist.
*HOWEVER* there is still the possibility of a more deist god who exists and has a objective moral standard as yet not conveyed.
This god may agree with my moral views about our current proposed gods scriptures containing unjust and imoral teachings, for all we know. Or maybe his objective morals could be something that we all would find abhorrent who can say.
*This kind of objectivity would be a bit like getting a set of wardrobes from IKEA with no construction manual. Utterly useless* , we would just have make do the best we can ourselves regardless of whether the manuals exist or not is irrelevant without knowledge of what they say.
A god that is not detectable in the real world is of no more use than a god that does not exist.
So in short for me the objectivity of any gods proposed or otherwise is either none existent or irrelevant.
In either case It would be illogical to base morality on this undetectable concept.
@@2569dan Ok let's move onto my perspective of morality shall we. why is murder or slavery ect considered imoral under my world view you may wonder. Well although I do not believe in objective morality as such, that then does not mean all things are permissible, rape murder ect. It's not a black and white issue like that .
(1) god with objective morality
(2) Anything goes.
humanity and society's as a whole can and do agree on a vast array of moral issues that have wellbeing at the heart.
These are reflected in our laws murder rape theft ect are standard throughout societies (even secular )
Of course scenarios can be envisaged were things are not clear cut which is why we have sub groups within a crime so to speak (involuntary manslaughter ect) were we recognize things as wrong but attempt to take mitigating circumstances into account.
I think of it this way I suppose , imagine a big long measuring stick with graduations marked along its length, the left end representing the worst possible human wellbeing or misery you can think of ( maximum suffering, pain unhappiness ill health, ect ) at the other end of this measuring stick we have the best possible world we can imagine with
( maximum pleasure happiness health joy ect )
When making laws or assessing a moral situation we judge and attempt to get our actions or responses as far to right as we possible can for each situation.
This is our "reference point " we use to assess moral scenarios.
An action that has no wellbeing implications one way or another would be neutral and so in the middle.
Do we all agree about exactly were specific things are positioned on our imaginary stick , NO but we can get pretty close regardless of religion or lack of.
It's not perfect but in reality it's the best system we've got, and it's what legal systems around the world use as a basis.
The theistic method of judging morality is very similar except they have what they think their god hates most at one end of their imaginary morality measuring stick and what he likes most or most desires of us at the other, with things that god would regard as neutral in the middle
This measuring stick would receive much less agreement on how far left or right things are, not just between athiests and the religious but among theists In general, not in regard of wellbeing issues, were they would be very close to the secular positions, but because of different perceptions of SIN and thus be much more subjective.
Because each different religion or even denomination would have A DIFFERENT SUBJECTIVE OPINION OF GODS MORALS at the end of their particular stick to refer to on moral issues. That often contradict and conflict with each other.
Morality is subjective, we set the rules HOWEVER that does NOT mean we cannot set objective rules about morality. Let me draw an analogy, in the game of chess there are no OBJECTIVE RULES laid down by a god. They are arbitrary man made, however once we all come to an agreement about which rules we want to implement and adhere to it then becomes posible to objectively declare a move as illegal within the framework of agreed upon rules.
The same concept applies with morality,
Wellbeing becomes our reference point when judging a moral situation and societies get pretty close to agreement on what's moral based upon wellbeing issues . As previously stated it is only with regards to issues about Sin ( transgression of subjective gods rules) that disagreement occurs.
Is it perfect, no but it's by far the best option we have .
Muslims would regard you as immoral for not facing mecca and praying 5 times a day, are they wrong and if so why ? or is it only *YOUR* SUBJECTIVE OPINION OF GOD that everyone should adhere to ???
Modern societies think that the gathering of sticks on the sabbath is not nor ever was imoral and deserving of stoning to death have we got it wrong and why ??
You see personaly I could never find a context were the OWNING and beating of slaves was acceptable as long as they dont die for a day or 2 . No matter If someone asserts that their specific subjective god thinks it is.🤔
Religious morality is not really a system at all , but rather a series of thou shalts and thou sharn'ts. predicated upon the assertion that a subjective god is the objective reference for morality. If we dont know our personal gods wishes on the specific moral situation we have to fall back to our own opinion when assessing situations or actions.
sorry garbage explanation, and to long but my best attempt .
It is actually the burden of you that are theists to convince them of such unsubstantiated claims. Wouldn't you agree?
one of these a day would be superb...
So much appreciate you, Cliffe! Your patience and explanations are incredible. God definitely has gifted you!
That kid just learned the word "multitude" before the cameras were rolling
I love that pink haired girl. She was so intelligent and well spoken. Let us pray for her and life. To see the truth of Christ and be saved. So close, yet so far
Wow. She knows everybodies thoughts and feelings.
Thanks for working for The Kingdom, the harvest is plenty but the laborer’s are few.
Wow they finally "caught her outside"!! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry did she really disagree with the statement "a human is more valuable than insect." God help these people.
Love to meet him in person
keep going cliff,its good to see what God is doing in your life
Internal, external, and the bibliography are what we use to determine the reliability of any historical document Jacob.