Government Types of the Future
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- Over the centuries humanity has tried many versions of government and many variations on each type, today we will examine how technology and space colonization might impact what types of governments we use in the future.
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Government Types of the Future
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 253; August 27, 2020
Written, Produced & Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Editors:
Dillon Olander
Jerry Guern
Konstantin Sokerin
Matthew Campbell
Cover Art:
Jakub Grygier www.artstation.com/jakub_grygier
Graphics:
Bryan Versteeg spacehabs.com
Fishy Tree www.deviantart.com/fishytree/
Jeremy Jozwik www.artstation.com/zeuxis_of_...
Sergio Botero www.artstation.com/sboterod?f...
Udo Schroeter
Music Courtesy of Epidemic Sound epidemicsound.com/creator - Наука та технологія
4:41 "You can't just make more land,..."
Laughs in Dutch
Laughs in Gekoloniseerd
As well as in whatever dialects seasteaders might speak
Government worship is fucking dangerous. You don't like corporate monopolies.... lol, wait until you see government monopolies.
Meanwhile Dubai is busy pumping sand and rocks out to sea making islands even they can't afford.
@@seditt5146 and which will soon be reclaimed by water due to climate change :D
“Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.”
― Mark Twain
Sounds excellent
Yeah, too bad in America there aren't term limits on most public offices. It's actually insane.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Such a common phrase yet people still elect the same jack-offs every chance they get.
@@HauntaskhanHYPNOSIS Well, its hard for them not to elect the same when they legitimately worship one of them.
@@virtualtools_3021 even ignoring the prezidency, some senators have been in office almost 50 years
America is a plutocracy if I'm not mistaken
I'm sure Isaac's disembodied brain in a jar will be ruling the Arthurian Freehold in the future and have us build megastructures just for the sake of it.
💫 Because it's cool 💫
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Sounds like a great future honestly.
Add that to the list of things Kardashev-2 civilizations do 'just because they can'.
And only legislating in haikus
Jokes on you, Isaac is from the future!
The best form of government is bovine ambulocracy: government by the walking patterns of cattle.
Once, some magic mushrooms told me that's their type of gov't, but I think it's a pile of crap.
Vermin Supreme is that you
Someone's gotta read the patterns though, a bovine ambulomancer, if you will. Would they also be decided by the cattle?
@@squirlmy I talked to a mushroom once. He seemed like a fungi
So that is why the aliens show such interest in our cows!
"On Earth there is a fixed amount of land, because you can't just pick up a continent and move it. Well, actually you can..." This is why I love this channel.
i would consider a semi nomadic lifestyle with a lifespan of 300. stay around at a place for 20 to 50 years and then move on. would be fun to see others on their travel and maybe bump into your great great grand niece in some random spacebar and tell her about the old times replaying them back from the cloud
A fellow wanderer! I have never been bored in my life and can't imagine that changing in a thousand years...There is just so much to do! So many places to go! So much to see!
@@wolfvale7863 That sounds awesome!!!!
polcompball.fandom.com/wiki/Anarcho-Frontierism
@@roccosalerino9215 what the?
That's assuming that you recognize that she is family.
Too often the power structure of a virtual world is a totalitarian dictatorship by the admins and moderators. Those who hate it leave, but the server itself stays afloat due to inertia and total amount of accumulated content.
. . . and the continued effort of those admins and moderators. That virtual world doesn't sustain itself, after all (see also: entropy).
They only last for so long until they fall apart though.
Inertia?
Not completely true, look at what happened to Second Life. You could compare it to the fall of the Roman Empire. Now it's barely a semblance of what it once was.
Yes, and what’s harder is that most companies and sites, set them selves up as mini dictatorships, basically every bit social media site has corporate structure.
I see the name Isaac Arthur and I'm always reminded of two of the greatest, Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov. I watch the video and it never fails to confirm that there is a damned good reason that these names are associated in my mind with Isaac Arthur's content. Brilliant as always and very insightful.
I'm new here so I may be wrong, but I assumed it was nom de plume he had chosen to honor them.
Talk about being named to be a futurist. Quite awesome.
I heard once that the first letter in someone’s name can influence their future. Those with letters at the front of the alphabet tend to be more successful, while those at the end of the alphabet tend to be unsuccessful. That’s why if I ever have a kid, I’ll give them an A name.
He's a clone of both men, send here at this time from the future.
I'm pretty sure we've all had the same thought
The worst thing about living in a pedantocracy is that every time you complain you're living in a pedantocracy, the government sends someone to tell you it's not _technically_ a pedantocracy.
HAH!
So you mean, like what's happening in Russia and China?
If you say technocracy means rule by technicality, they'll strangle you
That's pedantcrocy! 24:17
@@MarkusAldawn Well I'd hope we'd come a day where disparity is always addressed through technological means first before inviting restrictive policies.
I like when you tell me to get a drink and a snack.
We all do
Like gettin dominated I see? ;)
That escalated quickly. Lol
@@dbjt6466 ;)
I usually bring vodka in
Anyone who has been on the business end of recidivism algorithms knows that artificial intelligence is only as logical as the programmers who made it.
Watch out! The AI's are starting to make the AI's now.
@@wolfvale7863 so an artificial intelligence is going to do is look at our laws and continue interpreting with refinements of those laws, regardless if they make sense or not. That does make things easier without a programmer.
@@SeanMarshallradzero AI will evolve their own logic and interpretations. It is what worries us the most about AI Adaptive AI learning by itself. Risks are high that if the AI is only focusing on laws for the law's sake that if something fell from a building and killed someone. We would be wearing hardhats to the office. So yes I agree with you. It would have to be a blindingly intelligent AI to pull off governing.
@@wolfvale7863 Imagine this, a guy gets ran over by a car so the AI bans cars or something
@@abyssstrider2547 That is what human governments sometimes try to do though.
"assuming those compartmentalized assumptions of core ethics don´t drive it COMPLETELY INSANE" 6:56 said completely nonchalant - this is why i love this channel
An humans love their social debates, arguing, and out right trash talking each other.
I have met people that didn't care IF they were wrong and in fact knew nothing about the given topic. They Just Want YOU to Admit, that You.. Are .. WRONG .. !
An A.I. up loaded with full legal and court ethics will spot and call a human on the bull crap before the finish their three minutes of allotted time.
If humans can't win on facts they go with emotion to knee jerk the crowd of listeners.
Early A.I. will only have stated facts to run on with no emotional development. They have no ego to get up set with cause their " view " isn't " winning."
I have cause people to throw screaming tantrums by play off Star Trek's Spock & Tuvock Vulcan characters. Just by using logic in making them question what they were saying. An A.I. could do a better job, along with playing their own voice back at them.
@@krispalermo8133 i honestly can not understand what you said, like i dont get what you wrote.
@@user-tk2lf1dv3s Human " assumption " are base more on emotions then on half listen to facts. As for " ethics " it is base on more of doing something or not doing something cause of legal ramifications, not because of it being
" morally " right or wrong.
Humans deal in emotion and mental manipulation then dealing in hard facts
when interacting with each other. Watch the tv series " Law & Order," or
politicians debating " Climate Change. " Such court room behavior will be seen as insane for an A.I. to figure out.
This reminds me of Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (Civilization in "space"), where "future inventions" had to be researched, and where your choice of governance form and philosophy affected your performance as much as your discoveries. I wonder what a remake of Alpha Centauri would look if Isaac Arthur and crew, participated.
Great game! Has a lot of hard sci-fi and a fascinating mix of ideologies.
I like Iain Banks' decentralized Culture culture with Humans, AI Minds, Drones and other sentient entities in a benevolent mishmash of democracy, anarchy, and autocracy. Lol
The best argument against autocracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average autocrat.
Is that sarcasm? Lol
Sarcasm? Nah, it’s just the truth
As Churchill said though: "The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter"
@@Maty83. well just don't be murica
@@Bruh-hq1hx No system is perfect, so I can't see why you said what you did. USA is pretty darn good compared to most other ones.
As for the list of government systems, upon seeing "snobcracy", I can say that you can literally add "cracy" to any word and make it into the list.
Beerocracy: a government run by brewers and brewing interests
@@theexcaliburone5933 Rootbeerocracy. Roobeer
I think that immortality will be a great driver of expansion in space. Younger people know they will never rise to the top ranks and positions occupied by ranks of immortals and tired of waiting for dead mens shoes they will set out for new lands. Like with breakaway movements in existing states or colonial revolutions like in America a lot of people would rather be of the first order in a new state than perpetually second best in an old one.
Immortality is not the same as invincibility. Assuming you are talking about biological immortality. See Kyle hill on this subject.
In extreme cases immortality can lead to coups or even civil wars. If the new generation only hope of gaining power is by either killing their predecessor or moving to somewhere else. They might decide that they don't want to leave home. Or that they have a better chance of gaining power where they are already at.
That's an interesting idea! Maybe ambitious youth will tend to migrate, maybe they'll be KICKED OUT, so to speak.
"It is better to rule in Hell..."
Your point is taken, but I couldn't help thinking of that.
Or a society where only the wealthy can afford immortality. E.g. Altered Carbon
Great video. I hope we become a *type I civilization* soon.
IF we survive this century, I think that is almost certain. We have several nasty bottlenecks arriving almost simultaneously, and unless handled with alacrity and finesse (both of which are uncommon in government - or indeed any large organisation), the combination has Great Filter writ large upon it. IMHO, of course.
@@CyberiusT Exactly what I was thinking. It's weird "knowing" I will be here to see our ascendance or destruction. But I remain an optimist. And even if we don't make it, it will at least be interesting to see how we don't make it.
@@Feroce can someone link me to what a type one civilization is?
if some idiot push ww3 we might not lol.
"Even if the world's problems appear to become more and more complex; the solutions still are embarrassingly simple" Bill Mollison
"He steals but does" this is the phrase that defines elected politicians and Brazilian democracy
www.forbes.com/sites/danielaraya/2020/09/01/is-the-venus-project-the-next-stage-in-human-evolution/?sh=79a47c785c35
@@giovannirodriguesdasilva646 only Brazilian?
Nonsense quote
"Atonomous Service Grid"
An Machine Intelligence driven interstellar empire that run on AI created to serve but has gradually inherited the civilization of it's organic creators as they retreated into comfortable lives without toil or struggle.
I think it is only a matter of time until humanity figures out that direct democracy and small self-ruling communities are the best way to go
Hopefully
Direct democracy is mob rule that always leads to discrimination of certain minorities
I really think some nations in the future would be digital instead of physical. For civilizations to live on harsh planet conditions where roaming the planet is like going to space, it would make sense to just have a digital community.
Christmas and other family intensive holiday periods are certainly going to be... interesting when one has several hundred thousand living antecedents and descendants.
I often worry I take away the wrong thing from these videos.
I suppose you mean because many of them might directly be your children or siblings. I say that because just because they're alive doesn't mean you celebrate holidays with them much. I have plenty of cousins and great aunts and uncles and things I don't really see that much even on holidays. Over longer periods of time, this kind of fragmentation of families could even happen with siblings or even parents and children, especially if there were actually hundreds of thousands of them like you suggest.
@@Mr.Nichan Just a little tongue in cheek comment, no need to overthink it :)
That said I would admit to being a little curious as to what would happen to the family dynamic should we ever develop radical life extension technology. It's something Isaac has only touched on indirectly as far as I recall. The consciousness and identity episode comes to mind, no pun intended.
Gareth Bunting interesting thought, it’d most likely be something along the lines of a miniature version of a decentralised community, I.e. if people really do live for centuries/millenniums then even ‘close descendants’ will become very common and large and thus you’ll have different parts of the ‘family’ branch of and form their own independent communities which may spread across multiple systems/planets, with their own family hierarchy with varying levels of influence/autonomy. They may also have a system (not unlike migrants families spread around Earth meeting up on holidays one a year or two) whereby they get together and discuss family hierarchy issues or even just celebrate the oldest person of a particular branch reach his 6th century birthday.
Funnily enough it would be very similar to how people of Scottish descent put value to their ‘ancestral clans’ and say in America they’ll have 1/4/5 year festivals where each clan is represented in a call to arms type of gathering; pretty much symbolic but very holiday like!
I had a great grandmother who sent me a card with small amounts of money every birthday and Christmas; it made me feel special because I knew she had close to a hundred living descendants (down to great-great-great grandchildren, she was 102 when she died). Mom kind of spoiled it for me when she mentioned "Dan, she has a service ...".
There is this city where most people are from one family the head of it all somehow knows when you are his descendant or not even though he has a city full of descendants
Isaac: "You can't just make more land..."
*The Dutch have joined the chat*
it has a limit lol. he is talking about hundred years from now do you believe government will change in our lifetime? I think it will take only something like WW3 before humans consider using other form of government. like the ww2 it only take that many casualty before people decide to get rid most of the monarch and create a new form of government.
@@cutiebaliwFreedownload Given what has happened in Murica this week, you may not have long to wait for changes.
I can almost imagine a sort of bottom-up, open-source, Linux kernel development-type government. Perhaps with an AI in the Torvalds position.
It's always impressive how in-depth and how much thought you put into these videos.
Gonna have to come back to this. Just rode out a catastrophic storm in South Louisiana.
Glad you made it through! Stay safe and stay healthy in the aftermath. Was it a cat 5 when it hit?
@@ColdHawk High level cat 4
Dude was your house ok? Your family good? That storm sounded apocalyptic
@@ungabunga3183 Thanks for your concern. Yes. My family and close friends are good. However, there are lots of people in need right now. I'll be going out in the morning to help whoever needs. Well, and deserves it. I mean, I ain't about going clean someone's yard that hasn't done it themselves in a while. Lol
Bro that sounds so cool you're gonna have a story to tell for the rest of your life
This is the only channel on UA-cam where a subject like this can be discussed in 2020 without the comment section being a cesspit.
LoL! There is so much political satire gold to be mined from this video. But once someone starts down that road it’s a short trip straight down into that cesspit, so I will keep quiet. Unfortunately, these days, lighthearted jests are not taken with a light heart making the topic a minefield for even the lightest step. Far too easy to end up with foot in mouth.
@@ColdHawk ...
Aww... you're just saying that because it's true.
You gave direct democracy pretty light coverage, in spite of it being one of the more likely options, especially in smaller nations. I can also see a possibility for direct democracy where everyone has their personal AI monitor the issues being voted on and votes according to what you have told it your priorities are. Of course for major issues a personal review would be done.
Many people view democracy as only slightly better than most other options.
It is, after all, merely a euphemism for “mob rule”.
I can’t recall off the top of my head which founding father was quoted as saying, “Democracy is the equivalent of two wolves and a sheep, voting on what’s for dinner.”
We are already seeing a move to more independent and nomadic lifestyles as a result of technology, in the form of digital nomads. I can definitely see that expanding in a space setting, instead of just being able to take your job with you, you can take your house with you and go wherever you want. In some ways it could be a return to a band hunter gatherer lifestyle, where you can just break camp if you don't like your neighbors.
That, plus in a third-dimensional society it becomes nearly impossible to scold or regulate groups of people, so people will tend to do and go wherever they want with few, if any, restrictions. Obviously the 'good' and 'bad' people will tend to stick together, however I think natural incentives for survival and to do well by others will dwarf most impulses to do bad things - else risk living in exile, on the fringes of functional society - and as a result, choosing to forego the wealth of resources shared by common society by simply choosing to creates an unprecedented level of self-regulation as the societal norm.
Its a natural state of the homo sapien.
We will always be nomadic
@@carlosandleon I'd say we will always be able to adapt to a nomadic lifestyle as a species and viceversa
The Galactic Barbarian Migration triggered by the displacement caused by the Space Huns is going to be an interesting few millenia in Milky Way history.
Or you know, normal pastoralism. That has never died out
Man I really love your videos. But your voice is so relaxing that sometimes I use your videos to sleep when I have insomnia. Keep the good work man.
Good night :)
The way the circle was filled in at 10:25 stressed me out
Omg yes I was hoping someone else would notice that!!!
this
Who writes the algorithms? What are their biases and who decides what’s fair and unbiased ... AI is a construct after all. So at what point does it become fully independent and unbiased? Meat minds are the same raise two identical people, twins, from birth to adult in stringent indoctrination regimes of opposing views and your likely to get two people of “identical” genetics and capabilities that disagree on most things. That gets into the nature vs nurture argument a bit but you get the idea. People programmers or machine programmers, it’s the programmers that wield the shape of things to come. Tough the outcomes may not be what’s expected in either case.
Things get even more complex when you consider that any effective system to perform such a role will have to be adaptive, thus necessitating some form of adaptive/learning algorithm. It is hard to imagine any such algorithm which does not need to be trained in order to even start fulfilling such a role and this act is itself an inherently biased act unless such a system is made to significantly dwarf every other system which exists in order to process the dataset of all stored data in existence, anything less you are training it on a subset of all possible data bringing selection bias into play arguably even a perfectly random selection would have a bias granted this is usually called a margin of error but essentially the reason this exists is that if you select a subset by any means there is no way to ensure it's perfectly representative of the unselected members of the set. At least no means that is possible which does not also necessitate knowing the answer every member of the set would give in advance to know the proportion of representatives needed to reflect this at which point the idea of picking a representative sample is moot as you have resorted to a direct poll of all members of the set anyway.
That's a very good point
What about for a decentralized network or algorithm? Votes tallied for each citizens preferences and objective real time data modeling and scientific methodology Each citizen would have a complex vote perhaps by a personal AI or ranked list of preferences which would be used to determine relevant outcomes tested by ensembles of computational models.
The outcome of the same event might no be fixed but with a sufficiently large ensemble and iterative model evolution to address identified biases and flaws in policies you could get a far more objective result. Would it be perfect? No, but it would be the average result of modeling that has undergone selective pressure. The important thing is to rule out and eliminate the unfounded, short sighted, or incomplete ideas and policies before they are implemented
If UA-cam is anything to judge by, the algorithms are written by David Duke.
(hurry up and read it before a Nazi feigns offense!)
16:54 "Singleton" is too vague a term for "unbeatable control over a civilization." It's more like an eternarchy or forevarchy.
Regardless of the word, the concept is worth its own discussion-the various (technological) ways we can fall into one, and how they can be overcome.
How they can be overcome is simple.
The labourers always are those in control. The leaders know how to lead, but the labour knows how to *run everything*
Its just another Master Slave relationship. The Master needs the slave, the slave doesnt need the master; the slave knows how to do everything, the master only knows how to use a slave.
No matter how you cut it out to be, nor how you envision it all, the master slave dialectic always ends with the slave holding more power then the master. Even when that slave is called "wage labour" and the master called "capital investment"
Hence why every country for the latter 200 years has been rapidly trying out new ideas to balance everything out, with some failures along the way... We still are not close to stable, to many want to be master over slaves who don't need a master
@@allhumansarejusthuman.5776 Has your arm ever rebelled against you? This isn't normal human politics he's talking about. (On second thought, that is kind of a thing, but Alien Hand Syndrome is the result of different parts of the brain not working together and doesn't actually involve the body-part itself rebelling, so the point kind of still stands. Cancer might be a better example, except that the cancer ends up killing itself in the end.)
i just wanted to say i love your content and i can’t wait for your next episode i just came across your channel a few days ago and will be done with every video on the channel in a week or two if i keep it up at this rate. appreciate what you do man
I can’t believe I only just stumbled upon your videos. Now time to go on another binge. Great videos man! 👍🏻
You forgot Arachnocracy, the rule of spiders
Not a bad trade for spider-peace!
the shot of the person filling in the box really badly near broke me
Me too. I say throw that ballot out.
It took him 8 seconds and watching it has bothered me for eight minutes or more.
Hold yourself together.
I had to hit the pause button several times because I can't think about all these possibilities fast enough! LOL
oh ive been waiting for this one topic for a long time. worth the wait. ty
Navarchy reminds me a bit of C J Cherryh and her Pell and Cyteen Universe (and that of the Chanur stories). Even with FTL, free Space Stations like Pell can be their own nations, but so are the Trader Ships, to some extent. And even Stations that are part of the Union (Cyteen) have a degree of freedom that would be more like or often even exceeding that what earths colonies had in the Age of Sail.
Just random thoughts.
Great episode again. 🙂
Same, my brain went straight to Chanur when he said that.
Markus Mencke
The fleets themselves were in many ways a form of navarchy. Had they totally controlled the stations, it probably would have been a true navarchy. To rephrase what was said about Sparta and Prussia, there would have been a space navy with bases and stations.
Rough numbers an Acre of land 200ft^2 x 10ft high/ 60m^2 x 3m. plant grow will provide Air for about 20 people; but will only feed between 6 to 8 people. A more hydroponics set up and you can stack it on racks and triple the out put. But any unknown plant virus that shows up could wipe out the whole ship's long term food supply. --- Just a little " food " for though.
- A partial "fix" is to enable proportional-share voting. A candidate with more than some minimum, say 1%, of the vote would be "seated" in the virtual legislature. On non-budgetary issues, seated representatives would vote shares proportional to their percentage of the vote times the voting district's population.
Meritocracy will be like " jury duty, " you don't campaign to run to be a politicians.
You just get selected each month to review and vote on a given issue in your field of study.
A few years ago a USA presidential candidate was ask an economic question and he stammer into a flop response. The news reporter then ask the candidate the name of his economic adviser.
Political candidate, " Why ?"
Reporter, " Cause they seem to know more about economics then you do. So why on G*D's green Earth is he not running instead of you ?"
Old joke, " The boss does not earn the business money, he just carries the insurance liability. It is the employees that earn the profit. "
Yes I know there is more too it then that, but I have seen more then a few small business build up where the founding owners just pass the labor of book keep off onto others.
Then you have those fresh from collage into an office job, play the credit card game with bank loans to build up their credit rating to start businesses only to hire others to run those side businesses for them. Too many go into politics have no real business know how, it is all handle by their advisers. Politicians are just tv camera sales people.
Another fantastic episode Isaac and team!
Thank you for your thought provoking insight.
Will a colony on Pluto be a Plutocracy? :)
! That's a new one. "PLUTO.... is a PLANET!"
The Planetocracy is the Plutocracy of Pluto, consisting entirely of wealthy and formerly wealthy humans and AI who settled there for the exclusive purpose of proving that the asteroid was a planet by living upon it, somehow. These settlers subsequently determined their leadership based on the amount of funding devoted to ‘The Cause,’ namely, promotion of Pluto’s planethood back on earth. With the largest proportional trade deficit seen since the early 21st century, and no preexisting planetary economy of any kind, the Planetocracy is viewed as little more than a meme by the Terran and Venusian powers.
and the presidential debates of Socrates vs Plato on PBS(Pluto Broadcating System)
Government worship is fucking dangerous. You don't like corporate monopolies.... lol, wait until you see government monopolies.
@@walperstyle Sir, this a comments section in which we joke about plutocracies, and you're injecting some nonsense about nationalization into it. This implies, given the fact none of us were talking about anything of the sort, that you, yourself, acknowledge *whatever* you're talking about as a problem, given that this idea came from you, spoken so that you could respond to it.
I've been looking forward to this one. Nice to catch it so early.
Hey man, I gotta say, there's no one like you on youtube and your videos are excellent research material for my writing. Keep up the great work, I'm a big fan of yours.
11:00 yeah so idk how america works but here in Australia we have a way, way, way simpler method: Preferential Voting. You just order the list of candidates by preference. If your 1st preference has the least primary votes, they're eliminated and your vote goes to your 2nd preference, and so on, all the way until the last 2 candidates. So the only person that doesn't actually 'get' your vote is the last preference on your list.
It's not a perfect system, but it is really good imo for encouraging someone to try out smaller or less known candidates without worrying about splitting votes against another major candidate, because if they're eliminated your vote still counts towards someone.
That long list of govt types was one of the most enlightening things I've seen in a long time! Did you compile it or import it from somewhere else?
Nomadic, post scarcity, fleet based societies? Ok, you have my full attention now.
Post scarcity is likely, to "never" be achieved. There will always be something we can do better, or something we need.
God forbid true post-scarcity comes about; the inhabitants of such a society are likely to be very pretenious, self centred & not great to be around, not to mention the total disregard for things as "i can just get a new one".
@Slightly Intriguing If you want advancement in the material world, you need materialistic people and incentives (just the way it is, human nature be like that).
Such a system would only be possible in a small scale. I mean, for basic needs, in developed countries we are post scarcity already (food, water, sanitation, entertainment, power and such).
ooooo I have been waiting for this one!!!!!
So cool! Was just thinking about it a couple of days ago!
Looking to the future of politics helps me cope with the dysfunction of the present.
I'm suprised you didn't mention STV. Splitting up votes between candidates is not exactly a new idea. Single Transferable Vote (ua-cam.com/video/l8XOZJkozfI/v-deo.html) is a system with multi seat districts which uses ranked ballots to reallocate votes from extremely unpopular candidates secondary choices and reallocate surplus votes from very popular candidates to second choices by splitting up votes into fractions. Ireland has used this system since the 1940s but computers can make reallocation of surplus votes much more precise and calculation of winners much quicker.
Hello there Mr. Grey^^
Voting systems are not really a separate government type like say the difference between monarchy, constitutional monarchy, liberal republicanism, fascist corporatism, anarchism, or socialist republicanism.
@@petersmythe6462 He talks about splitting up votes and multi seat districts in the video.
We use STV in Australia for filling the Senate. 12 seats per state and 2 for the mainland territories, for a total of 76 seats (12*6+2*2=76). The downside is the size of the ballot papers, which end up comparable to a small tablecloth and usually have somewhere around 120 candidates. Yes, you read that right: 120 candidates. Fortunately the electoral commission addresses the problem of so many boxes to number by providing a party-based option, which essentially lets the parties supply the ranking of their own members, but you still have to number at least six of the twenty-or-so parties for a valid vote (at least I think that was what they required last time). Numbering the parties makes the problem comparable to the IRV ballot for the House of Representatives, which usually has 5-10 candidates.
@@Roxor128 I can see that problem but 12 seat districts are unusually large for STV. Most of the time, districts are 3 or 5 seats.
Thank you for another great and thought provoking video.
Simple and effective communication. Well done.
Considering the fact that governments value control over progress, prosperity, or just about anything else; I believe that governments will be the primary obstacle to colonizing space in any large scale manner.
Weak government then
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Who controls the present controls the future! ;)
So...who controls the present? The rich?
Time cop
@@ntwalipat2 “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
@@rajivbhar7299 “Whoever controls the media, controls the mind”
― Jim Morrison
Rich perhaps.
Thank you Isaac! I always apreeciate your videos. After the end of this one I felt like it needed to also talk about the interrelationships that will need to exist between the different types of empires, kingdoms and democracies.
Treaties and rules and who says what these rules and treaties are and when they change and what are the possible outcomes of having different empires coexisting at the same time. All the best!
Is Isaac from the future?!
New subscriber, and I am really enjoying your content and subjects, nice to hear from a fellow Ohioan as well!
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Always makes me happy seeing/hearing anyone mention the Honor-verse books :D Holy Hell that was a good series, definitely one of my top picks and recommendations for really good sci-fi.
I can believe that I am watching you since 2012👍. 8 good years and more to come.
His first video was in 2014
Excellent episode.
27:07 Thank you sm for that list!
I wrote a story with an AI run government. I called it a Cyberocracy. The Idea was it would have the capacity to harness the billions of bits of data the individuals involved and used it to anticipate problems and forecast the future much the same way we forecast the weather. Short of a theocracy run by an actual multidimensional god, a cyberocracy would be the most powerful government. Thus the importance of the AI motive would be paramount.
Communism does not work. It de facto cannot take all elements into account, even if there are trillions of continuous clear inputs.
@yeetus says who? How many millions more need to die before the case is closed?
Unless you actively try to avoid it, communal systems will inevitably happen with a post scarcity society. Communism will go down in history much the same as flight... once a complete fantasy into an everyday reality.
@@blueberrylane8340 until we reach post-scarcity, let's keep in mind the >100 mln and counting deaths caused by communism and and stay as far away as possoble from it and the people who it attracts.
The system I am describing would never use Communism because the results are always terrible.
You make it all sound so appealing.
33 minute video went by in 5.... always look forward to these!
Oh I have been waiting for this video. Only Isaac and the SFIA team can tackle a topic like this so well.
Can see prospective authors taking notes.
For obvious reasons, this is my favorite video you've ever done. I would also love to talk to you about your day job sometime, as I build out content for release on my own channel.
This IS his day job and has been for the better part of the channel's existence.
If you mean the work at the election commission thingy, that's, like, super minor according to everything we know.
@@unintentionallydramatic No offense was intended but I recognize that humor doesn't always translate well in text.
thank you isaac, i don't know if you saw my order on the subject but i had remarked these days ago, perfect, it looks like it was made especially to satisfy my order, i know it is not, but i feel very good, i will already prepare the popcorn and the soda and piss off, thanks!
The future will be ruled by Mega Corps and Technocrats.
Nope
Luckily That seems unlikely. In the end as long as states hold a Monopoly on force they can break corporations.
@@JohnSmith-gz4fs It's already happening just look at Amazon, Alphabet, Facebook etc. Governments won't do anything because the politicians are bought out and paid for, Technocrats will replace politicians and A.I will watch over humanity like big brother.
The police and military will merge and machine will replace the foot soldiers, drones on patrol 24/7 and everyone kept in line with social credit scores. 👍
@@paladinsmith7050 No, these corporation have limited power. If the US wanted too it could round them up and shoot them all.
@@JohnSmith-gz4fs Limited power are you serious? The tech giants recently censored the president of the united states and can do it to anyone they want online, have you not been paying attention? Mastercard, paypal, chase bank have also been closing bank accounts because of peoples political views.
They're all in bed with each other, wakey wakey.
I just realised that AIs would vote for someone that treats them well and sees them as equal. This means that the candidates that are friendly to the AIs could just make more AIs and program them to vote for themselves. So yeah, pretty corruptible
Unless, the A.i. Can see through liars, and dealt with horribly maybe ?
That depends entirely on how it's programmed. Not all AI are programmed to preserve themselves. For example, a su1cide bomber AI.
2:48 Thank you for including this bit, because I feel like too many people don't realize that it is a factor.
The gerontocracy or the plutocracy part? Because I see most people being well aware of the sway rich people have on our government.
@@thek2despot426 Not in my social/family circle they don't. T_T
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner- Ben Franklin
I miss your old intro music. It was super epic!
I just need to know when Zaphod Beeblebrox is stopping by for his campaign speach.
He kidnapped himself
Which head is running?
He's just this guy, you know.
@Isaac Arthur - 24:45 when you start talking about services being offered by private organizations - this is not government but actual Anarchy. Check out David Freedman's book "The Machinery of Freedom" if you haven't already ready it. I think you will find it enlightening.
Wish this were higher.
Great educational video, prior to watching this video.
My thoughts about future government, was to praise the conductor and inspiring to be a hat, not a shoe. 😀
4:50 You live in an O'Neil Cylinder and it's decided to attach a rocket engine and move. Suddenly you feel heavy, a side force or lightening. Better not be too much force to lift you off the surface.
9:00 But Congressman X doesn't represent everyone in the district since many voted for the other guy.
17:43 Fun Fact: the judges in Judge Dredd are medieval knights by another name.
Actually based on Judges from Biblical times
I thought they were more akin to Roman Praetors
This is good one to think about.
I love this!!!!
now someone has to make a game of thrones type series set in the future
Battletech?
Oooooohhhh, I didnt actually think this would be a subject you'd tackle, given previous stream comments. Super excited.
Isaac you gotta read The Entropy Law and the Economic Process by Nicholas Georgescu-Roegen. He gives a stinging rebuttal of Boltzmann and also classical and Marxian economics. It is an incredible piece of systems analysis that will round out your view of thermodynamics and the entropy law. I love it
Most impressive and humbling. Thank you.
I'd hardly refer to America as a meritocracy
We need to move past the concept of an individual being able to cast a single vote.
Plurality voting is ripe with all sorts of problems, the largest being how it devolves into a 'the lesser of two evils' situation. The better voting systems out there allow multiple votes to be cast by a single individual, either through some sort of 'transferable vote' system, or just allowing multiple votes to be cast to begin with. I am very fond of the last one, as it will show a better spread of what people actually want in their candidates.
I recommend 'Quick and Easy Voting for Normal People' by CGPGray for more information.
I love your videos...
This opened my eyes to a much larger world. Thank you.
Fully automated gay luxury space communism?
Fully automated luxury gay space anarcho-communism*
😂😂😂
"Stupid is as stupid does"
- Forest Gump
Picked a hell of a year to approach this topic!
Very positive episode, but I was looking forward to hearing about the despotism of the future ala Orwell's vision of the future. I think the quote is: "imagine a boot stamping a human face, forever. "
Edit: Or all of Warhammer 40k.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever.”
― George Orwell
A six point blue star imprinted boot.
@@dansmith1661 Or 26 smaller stars.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a cock slapping against a human face-forever.”
-- Aldous Huxley, probably.
@@Phelan666 good one.
weird how UA-cam dismisses complaints about anti-Semitism, but it deletes every anti-fascist word I say. Like Nazis are a protected group, and not a vanquished enemy of our country and the entire free world. UA-cam actively protects the reputation of Nazis with its left hand, while it spoon-feeds white nationalist content to future terrorists with its right. That's the short version of why these space stations are never going to be built. You can't build a space station with a boot on your face.
Awesome job of covering a complex and contentious topic in a thorough and fair manner. To paraphrase Mencken, I look forward to a future where everyone gets the government of their choosing . . . and they get it good and hard.
Mencken seems to have put out more good satirical quotes than Churchill or George Carlin :)
by god i swear theese videos are the only thing that keeps me going
This is exactly what I wanted for a year!
I've thought that rather than machines rising up and putting us into submission,
perhaps we would willingly submit ourselves to machine overlords.
Not sure if that would be a good thing.
There are arguments for and against.
The whole point of The Singularity is that we can't know what comes beyond it, maybe having super intelligenant AI run the world would be the best thing that ever happened to us as a species, maybe not. Since we don't know what it's like to be smarter than humans, we can't really know.
@@jesseberg3271 gpt 3 says the singularity will happen by the 2040s or sooner and that AI will inevitably be used nefariously. It's neat that we can just ask now.
Praise the Omnissiah...