The Rice definitely looks unusual but I've seen that Red Ruffing style "R" on some low value items and HOF weekend balls as well. I did a deep dive on the sig and went pretty much year by year.
Signatures on baseballs arent always the same. Have you ever signed a baseball? Not easy to replicate your sigature on a curvature. Not saying these sigs are 100% real but theres no legitimacy to this guys opinion either
Great video Frank. I enjoy the analysis and your enthusiasm for authentic autographs even when there is a COA. I wouldn’t touch any of those that you discussed in this video. You would think that Christie’s would be double checking everything to maintain their own reputation, and I am sure there are other questionable items as well.
i seen some autos like mays pop up here and there online, especially on Ebay, and i feel for the people that pick them up at the high price they are paying, thinking they are legit, and they are blatantly fake as all get out. great video. i do alot of ttm and autograph requests and have a few auto baseballs. new to the channel, thumbs up!!
I remember an interview with Lee about getting a Mathewson signed ball, and you could just see how badly he wanted one. Some people want it to be real so badly that they can convince themselves that it is.
@@baseballHOFautographs The one I was referring to was a a lot older. It was on a message board and someone posted that he had fake Mathewson's and linked a video.
Somewhat new to the hobby so this might be a known best practice, but I focus on one player in particular and have saved a ton of photos of what the autograph looks like on different surfaces (balls, books, photos, cards, etc). That way, I always have a reference to compare with. If the auto is a little off, it's not worth the risk. Sometimes players botch the auto because they are out of breath or in a rush or simply have to many crazy people surrounding them. It happens. I take authentication with a grain of salt. It's just a second opinion. That's how I've been collecting for the last couple of years and I haven't stressed too much about authenticity. / Also, the rarer the signature the higher the chances its fake. That's a an obvious one.
Listen, YOU have to know the autograph is authentic. The TPAs only get it right about 85-90% of the time MAX. In 1991, my friend was a manager at a golf pro shop, and Michael Jordan used to play golf at his course. He told me when Jordan was going to be there, so I showed up and had Jordan sign my Beckett. This sat for years. I took it to the idiots at PSA, and they said it was fake. I've been collecting and dealing autographs for 40 years as a seller. Unless YOU the buyer know it's real, you don't buy it. I don't give a shit what the TPAs say, they're usually only good for resale. I agree with you on the Rice, poorly executed forgery.
I much rather have a TPA fail a good autograph than pass a bad one. USUALLY, once an autograph is authenticated, is authenticated forever and get sold in these type of auctions.
The Rice, Rixey and Lajoie look nothing like mine. I have seen Home Run inscriptions but only on GPC’s never on a ball. Christy Mathewson had a beautiful signature with a very distinctive “C” in Christy that this one doesn’t have. Waddell is laughable. Spence has a video ON UA-cam where he talks about the rarity of a Waddell signature and shows exemplars which doesn’t include this ball. I’m beginning to wonder if these have FAKE COA’s
@@baseballHOFautographs lol! I'm interested to know if he sent them to PSA or if he bought them that way. Maybe PSA wanted some spotlight at his auction
Are you going to do a tax video soon. I bet more than a million people will receive a 1099 from eBay for the first time. Some questions people may have: what number shows up on the 1099 - gross sales amount? Do they add postage paid by buyers? Do they back out final value fees, promotion fees, or other eBay fees? Do they back out postage? Is it taxed at someone’s marginal tax rate? Is it taxed at a special collectibles rate for people selling autos? Can someone who usually files a 1040-EZ still do so if they get a 1099 from eBay? What deductions other than COGS should sellers consider?
That was a great evaluation. The Rice doesn't look good at all, I am not an expert but never have seen an R looks like that on anything signed by him. Agree team balls fine but why those 3 on a ball from the 20s ridiculous. Thanks for your expertise.
At one time I had some exemplars of the type of Rice and Rixey shown, so I'm not so sure they are bad. The only other one I will comment on is the Lajoie. I have seen several from the mid 30's that he signed Larry, however, none were slowly drawn like this one. I don't like it at all. I wanted to add that there's nothing wrong with being overly cautious. If you look at an autograph, even if certed, and don't like it, it doesn't do any good to have in your collection because you're never going to enjoy it. Just my .02.
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The Rice definitely looks unusual but I've seen that Red Ruffing style "R" on some low value items and HOF weekend balls as well. I did a deep dive on the sig and went pretty much year by year.
@@peterchoe I learned nearly all current players have odd signatures, that said, if I were an Authenticator (I’m not) I would t pass it.
But it's not a fake Geddy Lee owned baseball :)
Signatures on baseballs arent always the same. Have you ever signed a baseball? Not easy to replicate your sigature on a curvature. Not saying these sigs are 100% real but theres no legitimacy to this guys opinion either
Great video Frank. I enjoy the analysis and your enthusiasm for authentic autographs even when there is a COA. I wouldn’t touch any of those that you discussed in this video. You would think that Christie’s would be double checking everything to maintain their own reputation, and I am sure there are other questionable items as well.
Christy could care less if they are real, as long as they have a COA from a reputable source.
i seen some autos like mays pop up here and there online, especially on Ebay, and i feel for the people that pick them up at the high price they are paying, thinking they are legit, and they are blatantly fake as all get out. great video. i do alot of ttm and autograph requests and have a few auto baseballs. new to the channel, thumbs up!!
I literally brought this up a few hours ago in Junk Wax Hero`s video that mentions Lee`s aution.
Ooh, can you post the link??
@@baseballHOFautographs ua-cam.com/video/qM_cLXuRa9I/v-deo.html&lc=UgyBRYiJ44uNbOUTT-F4AaABAg.9x1ZuPofdUW9x2I5a4lfDs
I remember an interview with Lee about getting a Mathewson signed ball, and you could just see how badly he wanted one. Some people want it to be real so badly that they can convince themselves that it is.
Yes, video is in the comments section.
@@baseballHOFautographs What video?
@@forgerelli1 see link in video description
@@baseballHOFautographs The one I was referring to was a a lot older. It was on a message board and someone posted that he had fake Mathewson's and linked a video.
Somewhat new to the hobby so this might be a known best practice, but I focus on one player in particular and have saved a ton of photos of what the autograph looks like on different surfaces (balls, books, photos, cards, etc). That way, I always have a reference to compare with. If the auto is a little off, it's not worth the risk. Sometimes players botch the auto because they are out of breath or in a rush or simply have to many crazy people surrounding them. It happens. I take authentication with a grain of salt. It's just a second opinion. That's how I've been collecting for the last couple of years and I haven't stressed too much about authenticity. /
Also, the rarer the signature the higher the chances its fake. That's a an obvious one.
No way that Waddell one is real
Another awesome video 🎉
Listen, YOU have to know the autograph is authentic. The TPAs only get it right about 85-90% of the time MAX.
In 1991, my friend was a manager at a golf pro shop, and Michael Jordan used to play golf at his course. He told me when Jordan was going to be there, so I showed up and had Jordan sign my Beckett. This sat for years. I took it to the idiots at PSA, and they said it was fake.
I've been collecting and dealing autographs for 40 years as a seller. Unless YOU the buyer know it's real, you don't buy it. I don't give a shit what the TPAs say, they're usually only good for resale.
I agree with you on the Rice, poorly executed forgery.
I much rather have a TPA fail a good autograph than pass a bad one. USUALLY, once an autograph is authenticated, is authenticated forever and get sold in these type of auctions.
@@baseballHOFautographs
I’d rather they know what they’re doing and have a much lower percentage of passing fakes and failing authentic sigs.
The Rice, Rixey and Lajoie look nothing like mine. I have seen Home Run inscriptions but only on GPC’s never on a ball. Christy Mathewson had a beautiful signature with a very distinctive “C” in Christy that this one doesn’t have. Waddell is laughable.
Spence has a video ON UA-cam where he talks about the rarity of a Waddell signature and shows exemplars which doesn’t include this ball. I’m beginning to wonder if these have FAKE COA’s
Link to Spence video on Waddell signature
ua-cam.com/video/zXz6LDG0HNQ/v-deo.htmlsi=U12gJMG3Wd9sIvGZ
I think the COAs are real, just the authenticator passed some bad autographs.
I dont know why an auction house wouldnt go through PSA or JSA (even a second time!) to determine authenticity on questionable items
Once an item is deemed authentic, why risk it?
Lots of PSA/DNA listed ... but some do look a little off for sure
"little" you are being generous. That is like being "a little pregnant"
@@baseballHOFautographs lol! I'm interested to know if he sent them to PSA or if he bought them that way. Maybe PSA wanted some spotlight at his auction
@@4LeafCardsAgreed, like I said in video-very odd that NONE of the LOAs are shown. My guess is that they are all very old COAs.
I think it’s crazy that some of these somehow are considered “legit” especially in such a big-time collection
Are you going to do a tax video soon. I bet more than a million people will receive a 1099 from eBay for the first time. Some questions people may have: what number shows up on the 1099 - gross sales amount? Do they add postage paid by buyers? Do they back out final value fees, promotion fees, or other eBay fees? Do they back out postage? Is it taxed at someone’s marginal tax rate? Is it taxed at a special collectibles rate for people selling autos? Can someone who usually files a 1040-EZ still do so if they get a 1099 from eBay? What deductions other than COGS should sellers consider?
I will pass this along to the person that I usually do the videos with.
That was a great evaluation. The Rice doesn't look good at all, I am not an expert but never have seen an R looks like that on anything signed by him. Agree team balls fine but why those 3 on a ball from the 20s ridiculous. Thanks for your expertise.
100% agree, story makes no sense.
Very wild
Great video.
At one time I had some exemplars of the type of Rice and Rixey shown, so I'm not so sure they are bad. The only other one I will comment on is the Lajoie. I have seen several from the mid 30's that he signed Larry, however, none were slowly drawn like this one. I don't like it at all.
I wanted to add that there's nothing wrong with being overly cautious. If you look at an autograph, even if certed, and don't like it, it doesn't do any good to have in your collection because you're never going to enjoy it. Just my .02.
Agreed, about collecting. I have seen similar eppa, but not on baseballs and never where he didn’t cross the “x”.