SHOGUN 1x3 "Tomorrow Is Tomorrow" Reaction & Discussion!
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- Shōgun, a new and adapted historical drama series, has arrived, depicting war and power in 1600s Japan.
Shōgun stars: Hiroyuki Sanada (The Wolverine, 47 Ronin, Bullet Train, Mortal Kombat (2021), & John Wick: Chapter 4), Cosmo Jarvis (Calm with Horses, Lady Macbeth, & Persuasion), Anna Sawai (F9: The Fast Saga, Pachinko, & Girl/Haji) & Tadanobu Asano (Thor, Battleship, & Mongol: The Rise of Genghis Khan)
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When Toranaga made him dive, after the third dive, I was convinced he was having a laugh and actually wanted him to keep diving just to clean off the filth since he refused to bathe before LOL
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Like Mariko said “My lord is known for trickery.”
Same.
No, what he was actually doing, is trying to exhaust him before the race but regardless, still expecting his newly appointed Hatamoto to beat him if he could.
@@JynxedKoma That's an interesting explanation. I like it.
I like how they show that buntaro might not be the nicest husband or father but he is an honourable warrior committed to his leaders cause
My thoughts exactly on his character. When he was introduced in the first ep. I didn't even get the slightest hint that he was this revered warrior purely because of how much he seemed to be a terrible/controlling husband & father when he got annoyed that his son was having that moment with his mom when they were eating dinner & laughing together. But I like the fact that we got a glimpse at his skills as a warrior & how he stood his ground at the end.
@@brxan3096he was raised that way and probably didn't wanted his son to be soft. Something like in Game of Thrones with Tarly family.
@@MichalBreslau yeah, most men were probably just raised to have that mindset in that era. Unfortunate for the women & kids but there's no denying the fact that they were some honourable warriors.
Could he act any other way? It sucks but in his position he probably couldnt express any vulnerability or true affection. A modern personal example, my highschool bud, came back from the 82 a different person. Razor sharp focus. A dripping deadly power. He willing sacrificed his soul for his people, perhaps unknowingly, sacrifice none the less.
really? why do you like the fact that he is excellent at his job but cruel to his wife?
I am Japanese. Let me share a story about Tokugawa Ieyasu, who became the model for Toranaga.
Ieyasu had several interesting hobbies that he continued until his death:
Swimming in rivers.
Raising various birds, including falconry.
Manufacturing health supplements using medicinal herbs.
In his childhood, Ieyasu, a prince of a small feudal lord's family, lived as a hostage in the powerful daimyo family of Imagawa. In Imagawa's domain, Ieyasu often faced disdainful and discriminatory attitudes from the children of high-ranking Imagawa samurai of the same age, which made him constantly sad.
Therefore, Ieyasu became friends with lower-ranking samurai and peasant children who did not discriminate against him. They swam in rivers, caught birds in the forests, and hunted rabbits in the fields together. This was the solace of Ieyasu's heart while living as a hostage.
Later, as an adult and as the ruler of the Tokugawa clan, Ieyasu became independent and had to fight against the Imagawa clan. Thinking that his childhood friends and those who had been kind to him would surely be soldiers in the Imagawa army and face him in battle, Ieyasu secretly ordered his retainers to find each of his friends and benevolent individuals and encourage them to surrender before the battle, thus saving their lives.
This is a historical episode. I believe this aspect of his character has been incorporated into the drama of Toranaga. 17:03 The scene where they enjoy swimming together goes beyond the relationship of just a vassal to Toranaga, recognizing Blackthorne as a friend whom he can trust from the bottom of his heart."
Holy shit. Thank you, bro. Truly appreciate your input.
how historically accurate has this show portrayed Toranaga?
Very close. It's a faithful adaptation. @@theawesomeman9821
I hated her husband but man his last stand put me in tears
If it does not happen on screen, it has not happened at all. He`s probably captured and Ishido will probably use him against Toronaga!
@@RandomNPC001 I was gonna say ...
Off-screen death is no death !
Hubby will come back at the right moment to spice things up in the Blackthorn-Mariko romance that is being teased.
A bit classic and cheesy imo but well acted/executed it can work
@@RandomNPC001 How? He would not betray Toronaga, and Toronaga would expect him to retain his honor. So, how is Ishido going to use him?
@@Rabbithole8 Notice how jealous he is of his wife?! Also notice how John makes Mariko smile?! You think the husband would be ok once he sees his wife with John and John as one of Toronaga's counselors?!
@@RandomNPC001 Remember the samurai that killed himself and his own baby for honor? It is established that Buntaro is respected warrior. So, given so far what the series has demonstrated, you actually think that he would betray his oath to his lord because of what his wife is up to? OK.
I think the little battle is meant to be realistic, not a showcase for awesome martial arts. Samurai didn't fight to be showy - the ideal fight was one killing stroke and done. They aren't there to fuck around, they are trying to kill as quickly as possible. Samurai women were often trained in martial arts as well because they are considered the last line of defense for the home and family. They usually wielded a naginata - long spear with a big-ass blade on the end (as we see Mariko use). They aren't fast to swing around but they have reach and weight behind the swings.
I cannot explain the state of joy I felt in the last scene with John and Toranaga swimming. Turanaga`s childlike face learning how to dive was a bit of his secret heart that he tries to hide from his enemies! Also "Hatamoto" as John is now to be called means "bannerman". Japanese women were expected to defend their homes while the men were away, so yes they learned how to fight as well. There have been several women samurai (trained like one) back then!! Remember, if it did not happen on screen, it has not happened at all!
William Adams (the character upon whom John Blackthorn is based), was actually bestowed the title of Hatamoto by Tokogawa Ieyasu (upon whom Toranaga is based), albeit a lot latter in the story than the show depicts. It was a huge honor and explains the shocked faces of Yabushige and Toranaga's son that a foreigner (for the first time ever) would be given that title. Literally, Hatamoto means "Origin of the Flag" or "those that stand under the flag." The small group that stands with the Shogun/King/Warlord (where the standard is planted) and are under his direct command in battle. In Western terms, depending on the era, it would roughly be equivalent to a Saxon King's personal Housecarls and Bannermen or the Knight Companions of Edward III at the Battle of Crecy.
He wasn't the first hatamoto bestowed by Tokogawa Ieyasu. That is ridiculous. Adams was, however, the first hatamoto that did not achieve that honor through prowess on the battlefield. Adams was not an expert in Japanese martial skills nor did he fight under Tokogawa. That's what was unique and also as you stated that the title was given to a foreigner. Since you have not acknowledged that error but edited it out, I'm keeping my objection to your error intact.
wait, so this show is actually based on history?
@@theawesomeman9821 Yes, it is.
or Charlemagne's Paladins
@@Rabbithole8 Lmfao get over yourself 🤣🤣
7:34 Mariko-sama is an Onna-musha, that's why she knows how to use a Naginata. Onna-mushas were women trained to fight and their weapon of choice was the Naginata because allowed them to compensate the strength and size of the male enemies.
A hatamoto was a high ranking samurai in the direct service of the Tokugawa shogunate of feudal Japan.
Bannerman basically.
Just finished the episode and came to UA-cam to find reactions. Saw yours pop up, clicked IMMEDIATLY! 😁
It's funny, in the book one of Blackthorn's earliest moments ... When he was still in the ship before they land in Japan even I think, is him gushing over how much he adored Queen Elizabeth. I mean his children are named Tudor and Lizbet (after Elizabeth Tudor). He's all about queen and country, just in his own way, lol.
Hatamoto means Bannerbearer and was the title of the personal guard of the Shogun.
Hatamoto was really established in the Sengoku Period of which the series takes place. After Tokogawa Ieyasu established his Shogunate, the title become institutionalized. that is, an official officer rank. Samurai with that rank were not restricted to being personal guards but were officers within the Shogun's army.
Jaby:"No, No! Don't end, don't end!"
That's the mark of a good show.
You know it's good when you're pleading "Don't end! Don't end!" 🤣🤣
The great part is that Mariko's dank glaive skills *are historically accurate*. Women, specifically Samurai Women, were bound not just to manage their households, but to defend them, and would be expected to fight in defense of their lords in a number of circumstances should their estates come under attack. As such they were trained in standoff weapons like spears and glaives.
The reason Buntaro is able to bow to Toranaga, and why he raises his sword and yells, is because there is a realistic chance he might commit seppuku. The act of seppuku was a deeply respected personal decision, and so he is given room to choose his death. The reason he charges them is, in part, recognition of them honouring his moment of decision.
Hatamoto is a title - it's kind of like making him a knight in his direct service. In Shogun, this makes him one of the most senior retainers under Toranaga. The real world basis for John Blackthorn - William Adams - also was made Hatamoto under Tokugawa, an exceedingly rare honour. Adams, by then rechristened (excuse the pun) Miura Anjin (The pilot of Miura) may have been the only foreign born individual to ever receive the honour.
As for Toranaga and Blackthorn - I love their burgeoning bromance. And, especially for Toranaga, I think he sees a kindred spirit in Blackthorn. They share some traits which I think Toranaga values in himself. I also think Blackthorn's bravery in covering for Toranaga is the moment Mariko re-evaluates him. Combined with Blackthorn wanting to rescue Buntaro and rushing to defeat the assassin the night prior both cement a particular bravery that Mariko can respect. He is a survivor, but not a complete bastard. And Mariko can accept that. She understands that. And I think she sees a parallel between Blackthorn and Toranaga too.
Mariko-sama(Akechi Tama → Hosokawa Gratia) was a famous samurai lady.
Her life was so dramatic and the record of her characteristic was "intellectual","unparalleled beauty",tragedy".
She became legend not only in Japan but also in Europe(there was a opera based on her life and it was especially loved by House of Habsburg in Austria).
And now, there is a statue of her in Kyoto(Tango).
Daughters of samurai are samurai too. They are trained in the naginata spear instead of the katana. Now, Mariko as depicted in here is far more skilled than in the novel. 😂
Achara can definitely pull off the Mariko-sama look. 😀
Random factoid, the Onna-Musha were female warriors in premodern Japan. There are estimates of 30% of battlefield casualties were women.
Also, hatamoto were high ranking guardian samurai in the clan and considered upper vassals.
@@bobkatfan2013 someone pointed out in a different comment elsewhere that a hatamoto is entitled to carry weapons in the lord's presence (indicating the level of trust).
Mariko probably was trained as an Onna-Musha/Onna-Bugeisha at some point. They were trained in naginata which she used in that scene.
@@BrokenNoahShe was wearing a kimono, in which she could barely walk only scenes before. The scene was bad.
@@RoyKoopaling I never commented on the quality of the scene. I don't know why you are telling me this.
John Blackthorn is based on William Adams whose life and story as the first western samurai was made into a video game called Nioh. It’s like Sekiro meets Dark Souls.
What a great series. I'm thrilled and it's hard for me to wait a whole week until it continues.
いつも仲良しのお二人のリアクション、大好きです☺️ 引き続き将軍のリアクションをどうぞ宜しくお願いします🥰
This show is a masterpiece. Love it. After this is over, you guys should do a reaction to the older mini-series to compare/contrast. Over all it is the same, as both are based off the book, which is based off of history (of course the novel and shows are dramatized/fictional versions of history, but still).
The society of Amida is directly related to a particular sect of Japanese Buddhism and their lifelong devotion to the Amida Buddha. The Amida Buddha is "the Buddha of “immeasurable light,” whose light shines everywhere regardless of conditions, is the guiding focus for Pure Land Buddhists." The Pure Land is defined as "the spiritual dimension, or “field,” known as Sukhavati is the best possible place to be reborn; a realm where the path to liberation is unobstructed." The Japanese monk Honen became the founder of the first Pure Land School in Japan in 1175.
Just watched the 3rd episode. This show is so damn good. We only saw Buntaro being a jealous brute but, damn he went out like a badass. He knew he had the best position, but there were too many. He was going to his death and he knew it. True warrior.
the letter of marque, the silver and gold, as well as the merch they carried tells me they're privateers - ships that were commissioned by their rulers to be pirates for their crown.
Correct. Privateers were basically mercenaries at sea and were supposed to be treated as prisoners of war when captured by their enemies. So it is no wonder the catholics brand John as a pirate because these were hanged as outlaws and criminals.
A hatamoto (旗本, "Guardian of the banner") was a high ranking samurai in the direct service of the Tokugawa shogunate of feudal Japan.[1] While all three of the shogunates in Japanese history had official retainers, in the two preceding ones, they were referred to as gokenin
This series will becomes one of best series in 2024!
You're the second channel I've heard not wanting Hirokatsu to leave the bottleneck at the harbor - but you guys seem to forget that the enemy have archers that they could just line up.
The honorable AND only move, is to charge :)
They were vassals of one of the Christian Regents. They may also have had some teppen, since most firearms in samurai hands at the time would be used by the Christian samurai. Both archers and gunners would be a threat. Buntaro forcing them back was a brave move, that protected his Sama.
He's the faster galley, so it would make sense to beat the Black Ship. Had he slowed down, he would get caught in its wake pushed into the rocky shore. Cmon Jaby, know your nautical manuvers.. lol
Best episode so far. That ending was awesome 👏
You have to appreciate Toranaga's cunning with resigning from the council of regents. Not only does he essentially deadlock the council from lawfully governing, he also opens the possibility of fostering infighting between the remaining regents over who his replacement will be.
He play "Go", it make sense he trying to win by expecting his opponent/enemy mistakes...god I love the writing in this show 😂
Such a feelgood ending.❤
Awww, and the bauty of Mariko-sama leaves me speechless.
“Pant pant NOW! he wants to race me? pant pant” Lol 🤣 Only after Toranaga had already exhausted him through diving. He is smart enough to look for an edge in everything. “Tell lord Toranaga I will wait for him at the shore to help him out of the water.” Lol
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Shogun!!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
We never saw Buntaro die.
It could go either way. One thing happens in the book, and the other thing in the mini-series.
I like the advice from Mariko at the end about the race to the shore: I suggest you do not let him win. It's taken from the book. Toranaga doesn't want sycophants who will coddle him; he wants fighters.
This show just leaves me wanting more and more ughhh
A hatamoto was a personal retainer (or an immediate vassal if you will) to Tokugawa Ieyasu (who is the prototype for the character of Yoshi Toranaga) and his successors in the Tokugawa Shogunate. Like in the army, where there is a hierarchy: a platoon commander is subordinated to a company commander, he is subordinated to a battalion commander, he is subordinated to a regimental commander and so on, the same way a petty samurai was subordinated to a more senior samurai, he to a more senior samurai, and so on, all the way up to the daimyo. Depending to his eminence, the daimyo could be likened to a European count, duke or even a sovereign prince. A hatamoto, while there were still hatamotos of greater or lesser prominence, who had larger or smaller fiefdoms, did not belong to this hierarchy, but was in immediate service to the Tokugawa Shogun.
messy? yea thats how real fights should be
Keeps getting better & better 👌
High Ladys from Samurai Families are normal train in fighting as well. The favourite Weapon for this Ladys are the Naginata.
The scene when Toda "Buntaro" Hirokatsu fighting at the pier, the music the story telling with just emotions and the music, was so good loved it, when he put his duty above all.
TODA HIROKATSU!
That man still deserves a🙇
samurai wives were taught the naginata to defend the home when their husbands were away.
The fighting scene in the jungle was too good 🔥🔥
THANKS for this!!!!
The panic outburst: No dont end, dont end... okey...
Mariko is so attractive like damn
You should Google Asakawa Ran and Ikumi Kuroki.
@@eatsmylifeYTor suzu honjou😂
"He have never played Assassin's Creed" made me laugh so hard
You guys gotta bring The Bear to the channel!!!
I haven't read the book, but I think Mariko is an Onnabushi or Onnamusha, they are female warriors, Toranaga also hinted at this, when he mentioned she wanted to go with her father and fight to the death with him, but was not allowed to, so when Toranaga suggest, he would bring her back to that purpose, I was not surprised when she wielded the naginata with that much skills.
The Naginata was a female weapon together with the Tanto and Yumi bows, dont think they where allowed to wield real Samurai weapons like the Katana or the Wakisashi.
A very nice summary. Thank you very much!
I would like to mention one passage that was not mentioned in the summary, which in my opinion illustrates Toranaga's wisdom and foresight: Now in possession of Blackthorne's logbooks, the British navigator would be exposed as a pirate, which would mean his certain death. Toranaga, however, immediately admits that the translation of the records would take a (very) long time.
In other words, at least enough time for Toranaga to include Blackthorne in his strategic military services and appoint him as his personal advisor (you have already depicted this scene) - Blackthorne's loyalty and courageous actions take precedence over his deadly status as a pirate.
Best episode so far
9:46 🤣 LMAO
Enjoyed the whole episode except for how Buntaro made his last stand: as Jaby mentioned, fighting at the bottleneck would've made more sense but it's obvious they had him "die" off screen so that he could come back later. i would've rather he just fall into the water instead of run off like that and have the whole squad just chase after him.
HA Ishido Sama! Misdirection... One of the first things they teach you at Online Close-up Magic University.
i seen the 80s version
i feel pain knowing the fate of these characters
This is a famous Zen parable about a fictional account of a Zen master asking the three most powerful warlords of the Sengoku or Warring states period (Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu) what they would do if a hototogisu or cuckoo didn't sing. It was a parable which illustrates the character of each of these three different types of leaders.
Oda Nobunaga (Ishido) was known for his fierceness and cruelty and thus would answer, "Kill it."
Toyotomi Hideyoshi (The Taiko) was the most cunning and would therefore coyly say, "Make it."
Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toronaga) was the most diplomatic and patient so he would most likely say, "Wait for it."
Oda is not Ishido. Oda is Goroda. Ishido is Ishida. Actually Mariko's father killed Oda
That's right, Kazunari Ishido is Mitsunari Ishida. He was a vassal of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. After Hideyoshi's death, he was in conflict with Ieyasu Tokugawa and clashed in the Battle of Sekigahara, which divided Japan into east and west.
Yep. The funny thing is that his real and fictional name are so close that I kept mixing it lately... it is embarassing...@@hirokatou6209
Samurai armor weighed about 65 pounds, so swimming in it was extremely difficult. Not all samurai were trained to do it, and the depth of the water likely made it impossible for Buntaro to follow.
Samurai armor weighed from 5 kg to 25 kg with most on the heavy end at 18 kg: that's about 55 pounds on the heaviest end. It was difficult to swim, not extremely difficult. However, difficult and slow with a bunch of other non-armored samurai swimming after you will not end well. The enemy are not just going to stay on the dock for some reason and not swim after him. The issue was also that fleeing in that manner is not the most seemly thing to do. In other words, grasping at life like that rather than go out in battle is not honorable. Also, he had a chance at escaping through fighting, even though unlikely as well.
we didnt see the samurai husband die. so chance he returns!
He's Schrodinger's Samurai. One thing happened in the book, and the other thing happened in the mini-series. So, either is very possible for this series.
I enjoj this show so much
Buntaro charging off the docks was a strategic move. Yes, the dock was a chokepoint. But, the attackers were Christian samurai. Some could very well have had teppen {matchlock muskets}. Buntaro charging them created more distance between them and his Sama. Thus, reducing the threat if some were armed with firearms and were given time to set up and fire.
Dude,
Is that an *HEISENBERG SHIRT*???!
BREAKING BAD FAN???
Awesome show btw
idk, maybe i'm biased but i felt like the forest fight was purposeful no? i mean it's night time, in a tight space, and chaos ensuing so idk.. it fit for me
been watching the old tv show along with this - theyre both good
Im watching the show on Disney Plus. For some reason the show isnt in Dolby Vision on Hulu but it is on Disney+. The visuals of this show need the best quality viewing experience. Also there is a English Dub version.
I like this show, its not about the fighting, its about the people within the action and their emotional response to the fighting. Anjin San is an honourable person, for the good and bad positions, John is evolving his character well, he cares. I am looking forwards to seeing how he deals with having people want to follow him. Watching Shogun in the 80's i loved that part, their building of relations between Anjin San and his warriors. Love this show.
I'm so glad they got the book's Blackthrone-Rodrigues bromance right.
Honorable? Didn't he kill hundreds of Spaniards? Actually, isn't he a mercenary for the Dutch empire?
As much as an asshole Buntaro may be, when Toranaga acknowledged him from the boat, one's eyes did moisten.
That pirate guy could definitely play a version of Thor he’s got the voice for it
Hatamoto means "direct retainer of a shogun" or "vassal of the shogun".
For Samurai, it was all about fighting with honour single combat
5:47 ~ 😆😆
I love this episode, probably my favorite episode of this series or maybe idk because this series is still ongoing, but man, the costume or everything that they wearing in this series is great and cool af, i love Samurai and Japanese culture about them, it's looks so cool, the character of John Blackthorn is good too, love his arrogant and he with Rodriguez, Tonaraga character is also great just love the actor he always good in every movie/series that he's in, i understand why the critics rating this series with 100%, because it's is that good.
I tend to agree with your assessment of the forest fight Jaby. It was the only thing that didn't quite work for me. Everything else was really great.
Complaints about the combat but it was actually over embellished. If they stuck to period authenticity as they have done for so much of this show then there wouldn't be a spectacle at all for the viewer. It's a balance and not an easy one to pull off.
Yabushige’s character is giving me vibes of “The Hound” and Jamie Lannister of GOT
Omfg can you finish succession before (once again) starting another show ?!
"...he never played Assassin's Creed" cracked me up.
The Tailko is dead but the only thing that legitimizes their position of Regent is by following the rules he set forth before his death they can't just change the rules willy nilly it would invailidate their position as regents.
That moment when Toranaga witnessed Buntaro and dalled him by his government name!!!!!
😢😢😢😢😢
77th like, I feel like this will be a lucky watch😊🎉
The scene where Mariko picks up the naginata and kills the soldiers during the ambush, whilst wearing the kimono that restricted her from even being able to walk a couple of scenes before was so cringeworthy. I have no idea how that made it in to what is otherwise an incredible show.
Mariko's husband also technically DIDN'T die... #NoBodyNoDeath Just sayin 🤷♂️
Yabu is definitely not trustworthy, but he does have a likeability anyway. 😂
I know. He's a rascal. But he's a LIKEABLE rascal.
He's obviously dancing on a razor pretending to support both Toranaga and Ishido, until he sees which way the wind blows.
But that whole "I would need my head, though" thing cracked me up.
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On the little bureaucratic trick or he denied the regents their quorum sure the tyco is dead but once they acknowledge his roles don't matter The little fiction of peace is gone
In the novel all of them have to learn diving at Toranaga's command. Naked! They do a lot of belly-flops and John has to dive again quickly when he sees Mariko in the nude ..
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The ruckus John makes for distraction strikes me as improbable. The enemies are clever, watchful, and primed to look for deceit tactics. No chance they would fall for it. Even if it's direct from the source material, they should have sat down and hashed out something better to get them out of the situation.
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hopefully the fighhting gets better
Everytime Toranaga came up on the subtitles first glance I kept thinkin it says Topanga 💀 #boymeetsworld
Please watch the original from the 80s
SHOGUNのの動画だけでいいので、日本語の字幕をつけていただけないでしょうか？
どうかお願いいたしまする🙇♀️
Maybe
He never played Assasin's Creed ~ 😂😂
*spoilers to those who haven’t got to episode 9*
After re-watching the whole series, IM CONVINCED Mariko could’ve won and she lost on purpose in Episode 9. Like she held her own here and I’m convinced she was ready to take on all the arrows if she won against the other men when they tried to leave.
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AN THO NY
TO YO TA
AL BA
YA MA HA
E > English > E-at
E > Japanese > I-n
E > Portuguese I-n
Filipino name...
En ri qu e
From Spain.
English letters but use Spanish pronoucstion =>
N REE K E
Buddhism doesn’t mean you can’t be a warrior or at worst really brutal like any religious fanaticism